@donadona62 Yes, but back then the idea of two men kissing was sinister. Two men marrying, unthinkable. A bit of a step backwards, perhaps, when seeing two men linking arms thoughts go in different directions. But at least now the whole world doesn't throw a bloody gasket when two (wo)men kiss. One step back, two steps forward.
@Lyrictheac I thought the men standing by the coffin were the others involved in the robbery. Of course, I haven't read the story; I've only seen these shows.
@a55kiker Oh. They might be, but I cannot be sure on that point (this part is not in the book). I was referring to the black scarves tied around their hats.
The sequence in which Holmes and Watson walk home, arm in arm, to the sound of the Beethoven Violin Concerto might be my single favorite sequence in the entire series. And I think it's very nice how they have their arms linked -- they do it very casually, as though it's the most natural thing in the world.
These granada series of mid-1980s are incredible, and Jeremy Brett... I fail words <3
P.S. - btw, i'm from Russia, and the film adaptation from 1980s with Livanov as Holmes still remains a true masterpiece for me. It just would not be correct to compare these versions, for they are utterly different and yet so beautiful %-) unlike the recent shit, i should say!
Some of the improvements are as simple as giviing some of Holmes's lines in the story to Watson. If that change wasn't made, Holmes would be doing 90 percent of the talking. That works in the original stories, but not in a TV adaptation. And remember "The Empty House" when Holmes's closing line was given to Mrs. Hudson.
Holmes and Watson in the barber shop and on the way back-- pure genius! C'mon, Holmes, after all the times you've gotten Watson, don't you think he deserved just ONE on you?
@LAWL95 There's a Sidney Paget illustration of them walking down the street together and Holmes has his arm slipped through Watson's there too. Great friends!
Yes men did that back then and it was no big deal. It's the same with women used to kiss people they met on the cheek. You do that now and you are considered a ho.
@tephygirl23 not in Europe, women here still kiss and hug each other when they meet. Three kisses (alternate cheeks) is considered very chic :-) but many people just do two.
@tephygirl23 actually i'm not sure they did do it in the 1800s! The most elegant type of this greeting nowadays is where you don't do any actual kisses, but just sort of waft your cheek in the direction of the other person's cheek (3 times, alternate cheeks :-). Wish i could give you a demonstration, you'd be doubled up i think lol!
@kittyloki yes they did. It's a culture thing because e.g. Russian and Arab men, and French fathers and sons, kiss one another on the cheek as a greeting even these days. I don't see anything wrong with it. Why should it be ok for women and not for men?
So do I! Our vocabulary is terribly poor when compared that of the 19th Century. I was once an English teacher, and I was positively shocked to see how teens are whittling our dear English down to nothing! If our teens heard Holmes and Watson talking, they would find those gentleman as incomprehensive as two men speaking Russian.
Nonsense! I myself am quite the aficionado of this series. Then again, I fear you underestimate the vocabulary of this generation. I am quite sure that Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's generation were whittling down English, as was the generation before, and so on and so forth. It is customary for the younger generation to take a distaste to their parents' mode of dress and music, speech is quite obvious.
Though on that note I will confess that this generation's equivalent is quite distressing.
How I wish it was nonsense! I know the vocabulary of a literate person such as yourself would baffle them. "Aficianado" and 'customary' would not pass their lips.
However, I have to agree that each generation wants its own music, dress, and vocabulary; and, like you, I'm distressed by their choices.
Perhaps "evolving" would be more accurate than "whittled down." New words are created as technology and society changes.
I mean...words like ta..I would not even call it a word, more like incomprehensible babbling. I may count myself a lucky teen that I have learned the English language by myself by listening to Jeremy Brett, Rex Harrison and Richard Burton before I went to secondary school. We never ever talked English during the lessons o_0
Thank you! You had fine examples when you set your standards for good speech, but too many American kids have rap stars and the like who lace lyrics with profanity and bad grammar.
Using "retards" in that sense is both wrong and can be very offensive. I know it's not you, everyone uses that word in the wrong context and as a negative thing. It's interesting and sometimes sad how the meaning of different words has changed.
and I was replying to your comment (threepipeproblem) but the line-up got switched around. I know you don't mean it as most people don't mean it to be offensive to those with mental retardation, it is another word that has lost its meaning.
You are absolutely right. Here in the Netherlands we too have a word like that. Mongool. It's the name for people that live in, what we call, Mongolië. Nowadays, people say it when they are insulting somebody. It's very similar to the word retard I think.
But thanks for the information. I shall be more careful before using that word (since I don't want to use words in a wrong context, as it where.)
I try to not use words in the wrong context as well. Thank you for your information as well :) I have never heard that term before here in Wisconsin (US) My goal in life is to see all the different countries in Europe before I die, now to start saving up the money for that.....
Well, if you got a car, you can go by boat to let's say France and from there you can drive to almost every country in Europe, save for Denmark and England ;)
@ThreePipeProblem your brother is right. Noone appreciates classic music anymore... and it's so hard to find people who use proper English in their conversations regularly.
@calliesaiyan This isn't the fault of the school students. It's the fault of the education system for not placing sufficient emphasis upon the importance of language use. (How's that? :-). The education system in most countries have gone right downhill since I was at school.
That is why I dislike rap music, no one uses proper english today. It's sad how Americans learn profanity and negative messages so young. Some schools barely teach grammar anymore, let alone drill it into the kids anymore. My Grandmother has much better spelling, language, and writing than I do.
I'm just glad I got out of High School before kids started using "text slang" on their papers and book reports.
Text slang makes me shudder. If Holmes and Watson had to see such horrors, they would think some terrible fate had befallen Western civilization.
However, I have to admit the Cockney rythming slang can be interesting. Loaf of Bread equals head. I try to use my loaf. And I imagine Holmes was quite familiar with the slang of the Victorian underworld.
@TheKulu42 how do you think we teens who actually appreciate the language feel? I'm a junior in highschool now and I spend half my time wincing as some of my classmates wreak havoc on the English language. It's almost physically painful. Especially since I tend to talk using the fullest extent of my vocabulary, which causes people to look at me like I have 3 heads and one of them is speaking Swahili. It's a shame... how I wish people were like the people in the 19th century!
Since I was once an English teacher, I can appreciate your frustration. My students looked at me as if I were from another planet. In fact, one student sincerely asked me if I was from another country!
And I"m from West Virginia, born and raised, but I speak with a northern accent since my Dad came from Michigan. One adult in Virgnia asked me if I was from England. I have to admit that I found that rather flattering.
It's true that walking sticks were both fashion and necessity in Victorian England. Walking sticks replaced swords as the means of self-defense. I own a stick of my own; it's a well lacqured, slightly curved branch of walnut. You could crack a man's skull with it.
@TheKulu42 Like in the "Gloria Scott", when Holmes deduces that his host has gone in fear of some personal danger for a while because he has bored a hole in the head of his stick and poured melted lead into it! Great idea! And in the 18th century, it was fashionable for gentlemen to wear a "light dress sword" when going to a ball. Imagine!
@sitithesecond Agreed. A good walking stick is a formidable weapon. What's more, swords didn't entirely disappear. Remember the sword cane Holmes drew in "The Naval Treaty."
I'll have to read "Gloria Scott" again. And I I remember correctly, some gentlemen had metal sticks; pipes, to be exact. Remember how Colonel Moran's stick doubled as the air gun's barrel in "The Empty House." I do have to admit that having a "light dress sword" sounds pretty appealing!
@TheKulu42 yes, a light dress sword sounds fabulous! Nowadays you'd be run in for carrying an offensive weapon :-(.
I've just reread the Gloria Scott and it contains some very interesting info for fixing Holmes's age (a bone of contention among fans)! From this we can deduce that this story was set in about 1885, when Holmes was still at university. So Holmes must have been no more than about 21 in 1885. Food for thought, Holmes fans!
@sitithesecond but, i gleaned from one of these granda episodes ( i forget which ) that watson has things organized at least since 1880 or something o.o that would be when holmes was.. 16? do forgive me if i am wrong.
@allyndeimos you're quite right ... I've just been looking it up. And it doesn't add up, as according to "Scarlet", Watson took his M.D. degree in 1878. This was about 2 years before he started sharing rooms with Holmes. I don't think Conan Doyle was very accurate with his time lines. Other info isn't consistent either, such as Watson's first name which is usually John, but in "Twisted Lip" he is addressed as James :-).
@catherinespark No, Jack or Johnny are diminutives of John. And a note written by Watson is signed "John H. Watson, M.D.". I think this is yet another of Conan Doyle's little inconsistencies! A lot of the adventures were set in the 1890s too, but Holmes is definitely still alive then. In fact he's still alive in 1914 or thereabouts (please see His Last Bow) and is described as being about 60!
@catherinespark Great story that! What's your favourite Holmes story? The Cardboard Box is definitely one of mine. A real human tragedy, brilliantly solved by Holmes! And the film is just as good as the book too!
Actually I thought that Holmes was extremely professionally active during the 1890s, as a lot of the short stories are set in that decade. Do you mean Holmes' supposed death in the Reichenbach Falls when you say Holmes was in a hiatus?
@sitithesecond Yeah - good to see Holmes genuinely surprised by another person's methods! My favourite is Charles Augustus Milverton. Holmes seems more human than usual and just as brilliant. Also them being the 'criminals' is refreshing! The TV series are astonishing, though tinged with sadness too. It says in Black Peter that he was never better mentally or physically than in 1895. I think if I remember right he pretended to be dead/ was in hiatus from 1891 to 1894.
@catherinespark Right, he was really impressed with Inspector Baynes! I like C.A.M. too. The film version (The Master Blackmailer) is really good but as you say, very sad. Especially the poor colonel who committed suicide due to his being exposed by C.A.M. Robert Hardy was brilliant as the arch-blackmailer!
@sitithesecond I had trouble watching it all the way through due to the sadness. I've been meaning to try again though! Robert Hardy's CAM falls smack bang into the Uncanny Valley - he was brilliant, I agree.
@allyndeimos I have an idea that both Holmes and Watson were in their very late twenties when the Canon starts in A Study in Scarlet. But we can never be sure, because Conan Doyle himself was so vague (and often downright inconsistent) in this respect.
@sitithesecond In "His Last Bow" it states that Holmes is sixty, and since that takes place 1914 it places his birth in 1854. Since the Boer War escapades described at the beginning of 'A Study in Scarlet' take place in 1881, then one might assume they move into Baker Street in late 1881, making Holmes 27. But it doesn't really tell us Watson's age.
@catherinespark that's what I reckoned too.It would make sense if Holmes was about 27 in "Scarlet". But actually it wasn't the Boer War, as Watson was in India and Afghanistan just before 1881.
@sitithesecond Heya - my mistake about the Afghan war. To work dates out - Holmes retires in 1903 (Creeping Man) having worked for 23 years. 1903-23 = 1880.
Confirm: Watson moves out in 1902, having been present for 17 of Holmes's professional years.
1902-1881 is 21 years of Watson present
Minus 3 year hiatus = 18 years
Minus 1 year before meeting Holmes = 17 years
Which means 1881 must be correct
Sorry for the misunderstanding - when I said Holmes was dead I meant he was on the hiatus!
@catherinespark in the Canon it says that Watson is always rushing off to get married (slight exaggeration :-). I've always wondered why Sir ACD kept marrying him off. It would have made more sense to keep him a bachelor so he could remain at Baker Street and share Holmes' adventures.
@sitithesecond I've wondered that too - perhaps he's just trying to keep the stories fresh/interesting by changing the situation. And maybe trying to give Watson some space from Holmes, who strikes me as rather possessive of him sometimes! Also ACD's first wife died and then he remarried some years later, so maybe it was based a bit on his experiences too.
@catherinespark i think maybe your last explanation is the correct one. Watson's first wife also dies just before "The Empty House" when Holmes makes his amazing comeback.
@sitithesecond And he remarries some years later as well, like Watson, so I guess it fits. Have you seen the Russian version of The Empty House? It's called The Hunt for the Tiger, I think. A bit over the top, but good nonetheless.
@TheKulu42 I think swords finally went out of fashion when Queen Victoria came to the throne. This may be because the practice of duelling also died out. Probably Queen V. disapproved of it!!
@sitithesecond@TheKulu42 Interesting discussion about walking sticks as weapons, I read somewhere that in (not sure of the time period) England, carrying a sword in public became illegal, which caused walking sticks to became very popular even for men who didn't need them, since they could be used for self defense in place of a sword. there was even an official martial art called singlestick that taught self defense with a walking stick.
It was the style of the time to carry a walking stick. But also - they did a LOT of walking back then. You would need a walking stick anyway, if you did the amount of legwork that someone like Holmes or Watson did. Apart from that, a walking-stick was also a useful weapon.
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That's a nice beginning! What with the deductions and the violin playing... Such a great idea! fot of course it is not to be found in the short story. But it reminds me of "How Watson learned the trick" - a parody about Holmes written by... Conan Doyle himself!!! I think you can find a link to it by visiting wikipedia (Conan Doyle).
It has been said before but this ITV adaption of Holmes and Watson is simply the best screen-play ever done of Conan Doyle's characters.
Such an assured handling of the stories..........nearly every alteration from the originals is an improvement and not a detraction and it's not often you can say that about TV versions of classic writing.
Brett was responsible for a great deal of that. He wanted to stay as true to the originals as possible, even pointing out that Doyle's work is better than the adaptations most modern versions produce.
I gshed when I realized Holmes was holding Watson's elbow in his hand while they walked down the street Soooooooooooooo Cute
preciouseloveu 1 month ago
I kinda prefer David Burke to Hardwicke.. He seems more agile and "watsony" :)
Shravius 1 month ago
Percy Trevelyan. King of the Middle Parting since 1891.
EuskaltelEuskadi 3 months ago
Ooh, this is a very scary beginning!! Thank you for all the Sherlock videos :-)
ChristinaCroft 3 months ago
LOOOOOOOOOOOVE BRETT!!! Best Sherlock ever!!!!
LadyOndyne 3 months ago 2
Okay, I wetched the first seven minutes and knew this would be my new favourite episode! ^^ I love the familiarity and frandship between them! =)
MyLillteFallenAngel 4 months ago
I loved the quick conversation they had about the carriage before seeing the client, arm in arm, perfect harmony!
aDieuSeul 7 months ago 2
@donadona62 Yes, but back then the idea of two men kissing was sinister. Two men marrying, unthinkable. A bit of a step backwards, perhaps, when seeing two men linking arms thoughts go in different directions. But at least now the whole world doesn't throw a bloody gasket when two (wo)men kiss. One step back, two steps forward.
mmmhhm 8 months ago
not you
Olgalarge 8 months ago
Weepers! There are weepers on the hats of the people around the coffin! It's so awesome that they researched enough to know to do that!
Lyrictheac 9 months ago
@Lyrictheac I thought the men standing by the coffin were the others involved in the robbery. Of course, I haven't read the story; I've only seen these shows.
a55kiker 2 months ago
@a55kiker Oh. They might be, but I cannot be sure on that point (this part is not in the book). I was referring to the black scarves tied around their hats.
Lyrictheac 2 months ago
Saturn?
RWW124 9 months ago
Percy is a bit hammy.
koratvinnie 11 months ago
Arm in arm...
twosixteen 11 months ago
I gushed when I realized Holmes was holding Watson's elbow in his hand while they walked down the street.
SOOO CUUTE
InsertZipCode 1 year ago 22
@InsertZipCode Obviously men could get away with that back then, without being suspected of being gay.
revacohen 10 months ago
What a great interaction between Holmes and Watson in the barbershop scene!!!!
Thr89ust 1 year ago 9
That was an odd way to begin a story...
Lyrictheac 1 year ago
Thanks alot for these videos these are just the masterpieces
joydulie4u 1 year ago
The beginning is some creepy ass shit.
fortyseventhronin 1 year ago
The sequence in which Holmes and Watson walk home, arm in arm, to the sound of the Beethoven Violin Concerto might be my single favorite sequence in the entire series. And I think it's very nice how they have their arms linked -- they do it very casually, as though it's the most natural thing in the world.
Detectivefiction 1 year ago 8
@Detectivefiction There's a nice Sidney Paget illustration of that too
catherinespark 1 year ago
I enjoyed the extra barber shop scene they wrote in, but I don't know anyone who fingers a violin like that. XD
mirrorcleworld 1 year ago
Why are they walking arm and arm????????
ibtnm25 1 year ago
@ibtnm25 It was usual between close friends in these times. Nothing surprising.
Frenchaccro 1 year ago
@ibtnm25 they make a lovely pair, what?! LOL ;-)
These granada series of mid-1980s are incredible, and Jeremy Brett... I fail words <3
P.S. - btw, i'm from Russia, and the film adaptation from 1980s with Livanov as Holmes still remains a true masterpiece for me. It just would not be correct to compare these versions, for they are utterly different and yet so beautiful %-) unlike the recent shit, i should say!
MultiSk2010 1 year ago
a slight error...hahahahahaha i love it
APH17 1 year ago
Some of the improvements are as simple as giviing some of Holmes's lines in the story to Watson. If that change wasn't made, Holmes would be doing 90 percent of the talking. That works in the original stories, but not in a TV adaptation. And remember "The Empty House" when Holmes's closing line was given to Mrs. Hudson.
TheKulu42 1 year ago
Okay...first 3 minutes 30 seconds...legitimately creepy.
fortyseventhronin 1 year ago
Holmes and Watson are so brilliantly cute...awesome!!!
Dratini999 1 year ago
Holmes and Watson in the barber shop and on the way back-- pure genius! C'mon, Holmes, after all the times you've gotten Watson, don't you think he deserved just ONE on you?
There is nothing like having a best friend!
Imverycute2 1 year ago 8
aw He's holding Watsons arm! And yay for the friendly shoulder pat!
LAWL95 1 year ago 12
@LAWL95 There's a Sidney Paget illustration of them walking down the street together and Holmes has his arm slipped through Watson's there too. Great friends!
catherinespark 1 year ago
Can you also upload the Red headed league and the Naval treaty starring Jeremy Brett? It would be great! Thanks...
SnowhitePP333 1 year ago
also me =D I love dr. Watson X3
PunkyCactus 1 year ago 2
yea i don't know what the deal was with them always walking arm in arm. Did many men do that back then?
kittyloki 2 years ago
Yes men did that back then and it was no big deal. It's the same with women used to kiss people they met on the cheek. You do that now and you are considered a ho.
tephygirl23 2 years ago
@tephygirl23 not in Europe, women here still kiss and hug each other when they meet. Three kisses (alternate cheeks) is considered very chic :-) but many people just do two.
sitithesecond 1 year ago
@sitithesecond Really? I like in the 1800's it feels like. lol Thanks for the info! :) I knew they did it but didn't know that they still did.
tephygirl23 1 year ago
@tephygirl23 actually i'm not sure they did do it in the 1800s! The most elegant type of this greeting nowadays is where you don't do any actual kisses, but just sort of waft your cheek in the direction of the other person's cheek (3 times, alternate cheeks :-). Wish i could give you a demonstration, you'd be doubled up i think lol!
sitithesecond 1 year ago
@kittyloki yes they did. It's a culture thing because e.g. Russian and Arab men, and French fathers and sons, kiss one another on the cheek as a greeting even these days. I don't see anything wrong with it. Why should it be ok for women and not for men?
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moviesfunnyg 2 years ago
Sherlock Holme's laugh is the BEST!^-^
storz009 2 years ago 35
@7:35 Launcelot from the movie Excalibur is the young doctor in Holmes world...Brilliant.
pinworms70 2 years ago
3:47-7:33 is my favourite...
SuperJJx 2 years ago
Me too
fourplusseven 2 years ago
6:54 Sherlock's hand placement? ;o
kawaiifoxbabe300 2 years ago 5
"Pray! 'Resume' your seat and tell me [about it]!"
"[In addition], you are 'patently' due your haircut in two weeks!"
"... [because of] Mrs. Hudson's 'ardor' for Spring Cleaning ... ."
Ah yes! Ye Olde English! Love it! lol
//^_^\\
evernetherall 2 years ago 4
So do I! Our vocabulary is terribly poor when compared that of the 19th Century. I was once an English teacher, and I was positively shocked to see how teens are whittling our dear English down to nothing! If our teens heard Holmes and Watson talking, they would find those gentleman as incomprehensive as two men speaking Russian.
TheKulu42 2 years ago 5
Nonsense! I myself am quite the aficionado of this series. Then again, I fear you underestimate the vocabulary of this generation. I am quite sure that Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's generation were whittling down English, as was the generation before, and so on and so forth. It is customary for the younger generation to take a distaste to their parents' mode of dress and music, speech is quite obvious.
Though on that note I will confess that this generation's equivalent is quite distressing.
KumagoroNugget 2 years ago 5
How I wish it was nonsense! I know the vocabulary of a literate person such as yourself would baffle them. "Aficianado" and 'customary' would not pass their lips.
However, I have to agree that each generation wants its own music, dress, and vocabulary; and, like you, I'm distressed by their choices.
Perhaps "evolving" would be more accurate than "whittled down." New words are created as technology and society changes.
TheKulu42 2 years ago 2
I could not agree more with you!
I mean...words like ta..I would not even call it a word, more like incomprehensible babbling. I may count myself a lucky teen that I have learned the English language by myself by listening to Jeremy Brett, Rex Harrison and Richard Burton before I went to secondary school. We never ever talked English during the lessons o_0
ThreePipeProblem 2 years ago 2
Thank you! You had fine examples when you set your standards for good speech, but too many American kids have rap stars and the like who lace lyrics with profanity and bad grammar.
TheKulu42 2 years ago 2
So very true. They mix the words just so it rhymes -_- Well, as my brother would say: R.A.P = Retards attempting poetry ^_^
ThreePipeProblem 2 years ago 6
Retards Attempting Poetry? That's a very good description of so called 'rap music.' I'll have to remember that one. Your brother's quite clever.
TheKulu42 2 years ago 4
Using "retards" in that sense is both wrong and can be very offensive. I know it's not you, everyone uses that word in the wrong context and as a negative thing. It's interesting and sometimes sad how the meaning of different words has changed.
Just FYI
synchoswim 2 years ago
It's not a word I use on daily basis, but it is for my brother, but like you said 'I know it's not you', weather you meant this for me or TheKulu24.
But tell me, where does FYI stands for? I must say I'm rather curious :)
ThreePipeProblem 2 years ago
FYI is "For Your Information"
and I was replying to your comment (threepipeproblem) but the line-up got switched around. I know you don't mean it as most people don't mean it to be offensive to those with mental retardation, it is another word that has lost its meaning.
PS I love your name :)
synchoswim 2 years ago
Ah, I see.
You are absolutely right. Here in the Netherlands we too have a word like that. Mongool. It's the name for people that live in, what we call, Mongolië. Nowadays, people say it when they are insulting somebody. It's very similar to the word retard I think.
But thanks for the information. I shall be more careful before using that word (since I don't want to use words in a wrong context, as it where.)
P.S.
Thanks! =D
ThreePipeProblem 2 years ago
I try to not use words in the wrong context as well. Thank you for your information as well :) I have never heard that term before here in Wisconsin (US) My goal in life is to see all the different countries in Europe before I die, now to start saving up the money for that.....
synchoswim 2 years ago
You're welcome ;)
Well, if you got a car, you can go by boat to let's say France and from there you can drive to almost every country in Europe, save for Denmark and England ;)
ThreePipeProblem 2 years ago
I'm afraid that his brother was not the one to coin that acronym
TheElMarsh 2 years ago
@ThreePipeProblem your brother is right. Noone appreciates classic music anymore... and it's so hard to find people who use proper English in their conversations regularly.
calliesaiyan 2 years ago 4
@calliesaiyan This isn't the fault of the school students. It's the fault of the education system for not placing sufficient emphasis upon the importance of language use. (How's that? :-). The education system in most countries have gone right downhill since I was at school.
sitithesecond 1 year ago
@calliesaiyan correction: "has"
sitithesecond 1 year ago
That is why I dislike rap music, no one uses proper english today. It's sad how Americans learn profanity and negative messages so young. Some schools barely teach grammar anymore, let alone drill it into the kids anymore. My Grandmother has much better spelling, language, and writing than I do.
I'm just glad I got out of High School before kids started using "text slang" on their papers and book reports.
synchoswim 2 years ago 4
Text slang makes me shudder. If Holmes and Watson had to see such horrors, they would think some terrible fate had befallen Western civilization.
However, I have to admit the Cockney rythming slang can be interesting. Loaf of Bread equals head. I try to use my loaf. And I imagine Holmes was quite familiar with the slang of the Victorian underworld.
TheKulu42 2 years ago 6
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Banminator 2 years ago
@TheKulu42 how do you think we teens who actually appreciate the language feel? I'm a junior in highschool now and I spend half my time wincing as some of my classmates wreak havoc on the English language. It's almost physically painful. Especially since I tend to talk using the fullest extent of my vocabulary, which causes people to look at me like I have 3 heads and one of them is speaking Swahili. It's a shame... how I wish people were like the people in the 19th century!
calliesaiyan 2 years ago 8
Since I was once an English teacher, I can appreciate your frustration. My students looked at me as if I were from another planet. In fact, one student sincerely asked me if I was from another country!
And I"m from West Virginia, born and raised, but I speak with a northern accent since my Dad came from Michigan. One adult in Virgnia asked me if I was from England. I have to admit that I found that rather flattering.
TheKulu42 1 year ago
It's true that walking sticks were both fashion and necessity in Victorian England. Walking sticks replaced swords as the means of self-defense. I own a stick of my own; it's a well lacqured, slightly curved branch of walnut. You could crack a man's skull with it.
TheKulu42 2 years ago 8
@TheKulu42 Like in the "Gloria Scott", when Holmes deduces that his host has gone in fear of some personal danger for a while because he has bored a hole in the head of his stick and poured melted lead into it! Great idea! And in the 18th century, it was fashionable for gentlemen to wear a "light dress sword" when going to a ball. Imagine!
sitithesecond 1 year ago
@sitithesecond Agreed. A good walking stick is a formidable weapon. What's more, swords didn't entirely disappear. Remember the sword cane Holmes drew in "The Naval Treaty."
I'll have to read "Gloria Scott" again. And I I remember correctly, some gentlemen had metal sticks; pipes, to be exact. Remember how Colonel Moran's stick doubled as the air gun's barrel in "The Empty House." I do have to admit that having a "light dress sword" sounds pretty appealing!
TheKulu42 1 year ago
@TheKulu42 yes, a light dress sword sounds fabulous! Nowadays you'd be run in for carrying an offensive weapon :-(.
I've just reread the Gloria Scott and it contains some very interesting info for fixing Holmes's age (a bone of contention among fans)! From this we can deduce that this story was set in about 1885, when Holmes was still at university. So Holmes must have been no more than about 21 in 1885. Food for thought, Holmes fans!
sitithesecond 1 year ago
@sitithesecond but, i gleaned from one of these granda episodes ( i forget which ) that watson has things organized at least since 1880 or something o.o that would be when holmes was.. 16? do forgive me if i am wrong.
allyndeimos 1 year ago
@allyndeimos you're quite right ... I've just been looking it up. And it doesn't add up, as according to "Scarlet", Watson took his M.D. degree in 1878. This was about 2 years before he started sharing rooms with Holmes. I don't think Conan Doyle was very accurate with his time lines. Other info isn't consistent either, such as Watson's first name which is usually John, but in "Twisted Lip" he is addressed as James :-).
sitithesecond 1 year ago
@sitithesecond 1. I wondered if James might be a diminutive of John. Also, there is an adventure that takes place in 1892 - Holmes is 'dead' then!
catherinespark 1 year ago
@catherinespark No, Jack or Johnny are diminutives of John. And a note written by Watson is signed "John H. Watson, M.D.". I think this is yet another of Conan Doyle's little inconsistencies! A lot of the adventures were set in the 1890s too, but Holmes is definitely still alive then. In fact he's still alive in 1914 or thereabouts (please see His Last Bow) and is described as being about 60!
sitithesecond 1 year ago
@sitithesecond Oh speaking of mistakes, Wisteria lodge takes place in 1892, during the Hiatus!!
catherinespark 1 year ago
@catherinespark Great story that! What's your favourite Holmes story? The Cardboard Box is definitely one of mine. A real human tragedy, brilliantly solved by Holmes! And the film is just as good as the book too!
Actually I thought that Holmes was extremely professionally active during the 1890s, as a lot of the short stories are set in that decade. Do you mean Holmes' supposed death in the Reichenbach Falls when you say Holmes was in a hiatus?
sitithesecond 1 year ago
@sitithesecond Yeah - good to see Holmes genuinely surprised by another person's methods! My favourite is Charles Augustus Milverton. Holmes seems more human than usual and just as brilliant. Also them being the 'criminals' is refreshing! The TV series are astonishing, though tinged with sadness too. It says in Black Peter that he was never better mentally or physically than in 1895. I think if I remember right he pretended to be dead/ was in hiatus from 1891 to 1894.
catherinespark 1 year ago
@catherinespark Right, he was really impressed with Inspector Baynes! I like C.A.M. too. The film version (The Master Blackmailer) is really good but as you say, very sad. Especially the poor colonel who committed suicide due to his being exposed by C.A.M. Robert Hardy was brilliant as the arch-blackmailer!
sitithesecond 1 year ago
@sitithesecond I had trouble watching it all the way through due to the sadness. I've been meaning to try again though! Robert Hardy's CAM falls smack bang into the Uncanny Valley - he was brilliant, I agree.
catherinespark 1 year ago
@allyndeimos I have an idea that both Holmes and Watson were in their very late twenties when the Canon starts in A Study in Scarlet. But we can never be sure, because Conan Doyle himself was so vague (and often downright inconsistent) in this respect.
sitithesecond 1 year ago
@sitithesecond In "His Last Bow" it states that Holmes is sixty, and since that takes place 1914 it places his birth in 1854. Since the Boer War escapades described at the beginning of 'A Study in Scarlet' take place in 1881, then one might assume they move into Baker Street in late 1881, making Holmes 27. But it doesn't really tell us Watson's age.
catherinespark 1 year ago
@catherinespark that's what I reckoned too.It would make sense if Holmes was about 27 in "Scarlet". But actually it wasn't the Boer War, as Watson was in India and Afghanistan just before 1881.
sitithesecond 1 year ago
@sitithesecond Heya - my mistake about the Afghan war. To work dates out - Holmes retires in 1903 (Creeping Man) having worked for 23 years. 1903-23 = 1880.
Confirm: Watson moves out in 1902, having been present for 17 of Holmes's professional years.
1902-1881 is 21 years of Watson present
Minus 3 year hiatus = 18 years
Minus 1 year before meeting Holmes = 17 years
Which means 1881 must be correct
Sorry for the misunderstanding - when I said Holmes was dead I meant he was on the hiatus!
catherinespark 1 year ago
@catherinespark in the Canon it says that Watson is always rushing off to get married (slight exaggeration :-). I've always wondered why Sir ACD kept marrying him off. It would have made more sense to keep him a bachelor so he could remain at Baker Street and share Holmes' adventures.
sitithesecond 1 year ago
@sitithesecond I've wondered that too - perhaps he's just trying to keep the stories fresh/interesting by changing the situation. And maybe trying to give Watson some space from Holmes, who strikes me as rather possessive of him sometimes! Also ACD's first wife died and then he remarried some years later, so maybe it was based a bit on his experiences too.
catherinespark 1 year ago
@catherinespark i think maybe your last explanation is the correct one. Watson's first wife also dies just before "The Empty House" when Holmes makes his amazing comeback.
sitithesecond 1 year ago
@sitithesecond And he remarries some years later as well, like Watson, so I guess it fits. Have you seen the Russian version of The Empty House? It's called The Hunt for the Tiger, I think. A bit over the top, but good nonetheless.
catherinespark 1 year ago
@TheKulu42 I think swords finally went out of fashion when Queen Victoria came to the throne. This may be because the practice of duelling also died out. Probably Queen V. disapproved of it!!
sitithesecond 1 year ago
@sitithesecond @TheKulu42 Interesting discussion about walking sticks as weapons, I read somewhere that in (not sure of the time period) England, carrying a sword in public became illegal, which caused walking sticks to became very popular even for men who didn't need them, since they could be used for self defense in place of a sword. there was even an official martial art called singlestick that taught self defense with a walking stick.
MrMrdswoods 1 year ago
It was a walking stick, not a cane :) All Victorian gentlemen carried one.
MemorieLane1980 2 years ago 9
Why always carried a cane? They aren't so old as to need it aren't they?
alguien1234 2 years ago
It was the style of the time to carry a walking stick. But also - they did a LOT of walking back then. You would need a walking stick anyway, if you did the amount of legwork that someone like Holmes or Watson did. Apart from that, a walking-stick was also a useful weapon.
Shangas 2 years ago 6
You could compare it to the female teens always carrying a bag when not even using it. They did not required one, but it was fashion in those days.
ThreePipeProblem 2 years ago
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alguien1234 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Thank you both for responding! (Why do people have rated me negative? Was a question!).
Sorry for my bad English.
alguien1234 2 years ago
I don't know, asking questions is always good in my opinion, it means you're eager to learn something.
And you're English is not bad at all ;)
ThreePipeProblem 2 years ago 3
How he says: 'What?' and 'Whatever do you mean?' Love it!
ThreePipeProblem 2 years ago 10
Thanks for posting!!!
74powers 2 years ago 6
One of My favorite Shows, as a child and now. Thanks for posting these episodes. Wish I could find it on DVD.
GESSO217 2 years ago 8
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TheKulu42 2 years ago 3
@TheKulu42
Thanks fer'th'tip, Kulu42! I'm definitely gunna check it out!
I adore 'browsing' for the olde Victorian style antiques & etc! It's so fun!
Plus every so often able to find sumthin' I can afford & sendin' ferrit!
So great! Really appreciate!
//^_^\\
evernetherall 2 years ago
I love it how Holmes looks at Watson like HE'S the weird one at 6:39.
SugarDemon1035 2 years ago 13
Haha, those laughs.
McCoyFan 2 years ago 5
That's a nice beginning! What with the deductions and the violin playing... Such a great idea! fot of course it is not to be found in the short story. But it reminds me of "How Watson learned the trick" - a parody about Holmes written by... Conan Doyle himself!!! I think you can find a link to it by visiting wikipedia (Conan Doyle).
Fannny1331 2 years ago 3
i believe i would have been successful in my attempt at the deduction watson had tried to make here
jillllllybean 2 years ago
their laughter were so funny!
LRyuzaki100 2 years ago 3
The humorous introduction to this episode reminds me of "How Watson Learned the Trick", a Doylean parody of his own characters
jlim2397 2 years ago 6
I just love listening to holmes deduction
Mosflow 2 years ago 4
It has been said before but this ITV adaption of Holmes and Watson is simply the best screen-play ever done of Conan Doyle's characters.
Such an assured handling of the stories..........nearly every alteration from the originals is an improvement and not a detraction and it's not often you can say that about TV versions of classic writing.
19996669991 2 years ago 52
Absolutely true.
HobbitRules 2 years ago
Brett was responsible for a great deal of that. He wanted to stay as true to the originals as possible, even pointing out that Doyle's work is better than the adaptations most modern versions produce.
And he did an amazing job of it.
HorrorFrogPrincess 2 years ago 60
thanks for posting
Alzamr77 2 years ago
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ericthefrootbat 2 years ago
OMG! 7:35: Nicholas Clay! thanks for posting!
Gabriela1 2 years ago 3
7:35
Gabriela1 2 years ago
One of my favourite episodes of Sherlock Holmes with Jeremy Brett.
verkaforever 2 years ago
I saw this episode in high school. This one stood out in my mind more than any other. Probably because of how handsome Dr. Trevelyen was.
revacohen 2 years ago
thumbs up!
Gabriela1 2 years ago
But Jeremy is more handsome for me :P
alguien1234 2 years ago 11
can you upload the red headed league starring jeremy brett?
udaykk09 3 years ago 3
thanks for this..means lot to me
udaykk09 3 years ago 4
thank you
strikinine 3 years ago 4