what I am trying to say and failing at it-is as ZM we need to move into the direction of teaching people--setting up a training module so we can teach people and quickly. We can't just keep teaching people to ride a bike--we have got to let them get on and learn how to ride themselves. Or ZM will be leaders and the rest of the world -followers with Peter at the helm.
Perhaps we ZM should try and answer and question session-instead of answer and question--if we want the focus off of Peter- and we turn all of us into leaders then maybe we should all be up there and anyone else who feels they have got answers-along with Peter and the rest can ask questions-then again maybe I am crazy--I might try that approach at Q and A's myself.
Sorry to upset the Zeitgeist followers but you have fallen into a fake Hollywood created promotion for the New World Order. Just look at how professional the video is and how slick and salesman-like Joseph presents information.
He tries to pretend they are anti-NWO in the Zeitgeist movie but don't want to discuss the NWO. Why? Because they are supporting a ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT disguised as people being together as ONE. This is SCARY!
So anyone who is passionate and learned on the subjects they wish to express is a shill for NWO? You call that evidence? More like you're just looking and seeing the boogyman everywhere. Not everyone wants to take advantage of you; some people see the world different from that. Like Peter Joseph and most of TZM...
Regardless of what people say. He speaks the full and honest truth. He is the person to wake up the right people to make a positive change toward our earth and humanity. He is under a lot of heat, 24/7, give him the respect. people don't like him and make up excuses saying 'oh he is arrogant'. those people are mad because he speaks the truth and they are scared. they're are scared of love and peace. everyone stand up, wake up. join the Zeitgeist Movement.
This means our problems are a cause of scarcity, Scarcity of thinking, of competition. Competition breeds scarcity. When we cooperate and recreate our life support structures to work systematically to our current level of technological achievement the illusion of scarcity will release from our consciousness and immense awakening will be upon us.
@freitasnetuno Elphus Levi! A good study; but we prefer to call it Ontology now (again). For those who don't know it is a remnant of the original religion - id est, before science and religion split. Think of it as science with God: Science is Gods way of getting things done.
The question of Zeitgeist is : do we believe the upgrade in consciousness will occur or not? If we do believe, Zeitgeist is the only way. If we don't believe Man will change, Zeitgeist is suicide on a global scale.
Even more unfortunate is that I fear this necessary expansion and proliferation of ideals cannot happen soon enough. We're in the midst of the collapse of our economic system, yet the times scale that could cultivate any such critical mass may take at least 3 or more generations. The first 2 to simply become an educated majority, then another to effectively displace established power regimes. I’d say that is still being fairly optimistic.
Furthermore, that there is a subtle, yet definite presence of fear - "How do we get there from here?" As one of the questioners mentions "What about all the chavs/council house sponges/trailer trash?" - Basically, a simple consideration of those who are simply profoundly ill educated and will not contribute to this transition in anyway. This is the crux of any movement. That people need to raise their level of awareness and education to first understand these ideas, and then effectively spread..
Unfortunately, this scenario is typical of the battle we have ahead of us. Most people simply don't get it. They don't understand how to be their own authority, to be in control of their own lives.
"I have gained this by philosophy, that I do without command that which others do only from fear of the law!" - Aristotle
The problem is education. The majority of people aren't intellectually developed enough to perceive the nuances of this way of thinking/the attitude we need to evolve/grow into.
Why cant english people shut the fuck up and stop the chit chat for peter joseph? ..Anytime a leech politician opens there mouth on question time the room goes silent but they cant listen to what this man has to say?
@Mosley2 Yeah, he seems to entirely miss the point. Especially since he's asking if Peter Joseph wants to the be the "emperor" of this new society *facepalm*
Not to geek out or anything but the talking in the background is not as loud as it may seem. What you are possibly hearing is the noise floor picked up by the microphone. Even the slightest talking from 100 yards away may be amplified if a light compressor has been applied to the input source. The lower the ceiling threshold, the louder background noise will become. The talking may not sound as loud as it seems. Unless however a connected unused mic is being recorded somewhere in the room.
@clankm You are just one of the many reasons of why an understanding of science and technology is important. Dare I pun? The geek shall inherit the earth!
*crickets*
... okay I guess it's time to get back to learning stuff!
Isn't it funny that when we sit and deliberate on how to solve these problems we always come to the same answer; LOVE is the solution, LOVE is the answer... How many times have we heard that? It's only now that some of us are starting to understand that yes, love IS the answer. John Lennon had it right, "all you need is love."
WHY DIDN'T THE GUY W/THE MICROPHONE TELL EVERYONE TO SHUT THE F*CK UP?!?!?!?!?! DESPITE having all that NOISE in the room, Peter did an EXCELLENT job answering those TOUGH questions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (He's SOOO DAMN intelligent AND tolerant!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
@igspal this took place in one room of the Luminopolis club, which is a 7 room, 3000 person event. People were walking around between the rooms and talking. Its just not possible to get everybody to shut up in those circumstances. You can hear some shh-ing when certain people get too loud. I think most people who were sitting and listening were quiet. And I completely agree, Peter was very impressive.
plz peter, these people are intoxicated, by the shit given to them by system, and seem more interested in themselves rather than the future off their offspring or the enviroment . i understand what you are trying to achjeve here. i can strum a few chords and will put your message across through my media, hope u read this.
os incivilizados y atropellando a nuestros semejantes, no seremos ayudados por seres que nos observan,que tienen la capacidad de darnos las herramientas que la humanidad necesita y tenemos que hacer lo posible para estar en control y hacer el bien donde nos encontremos como discípulos sibil izados y verdadera mente humanos y sentirnos orgullosos de serlo
• I like Peter Joseph, I've learned a lot from him! He does a great job exposing Religion. However, he doesn't give you the whole truth when it comes to God, Jesus and the Bible. Jesus and the bible have nothing to do with Religion. My philosophy involves both resource based economy and capitalism (or property) for those who care for that. You simply need to stick to TRUTH. We do not live in a free-market capitalist society when you control make your competitor(s) illegal.
@MopDMTBARTL I think you should look at the Zeitgeist resource companion guide... it goes much more in depth than the documentary. You can get it from his site.
What the hell. the crowd is drinking beer. screaming being rude. the people asking (shouting) their question and then dont listen to the answer. most moronic crowd i ever seen.
This seemed like a waste of peters time with this crowd.Was this hosted at a bar or something? It looked like people had been getting drunk the whole time while watching zeitgeist. By the time Q & A came everyone was probally so buzed. Most anything that came out of their mouths were just random statements/ beliefs/ thoughts etc. instead of actual questions. Im guessing the rudeness was probally alcohol related aswell. the Zeitgeist site does have some really good Q & A in the radio address.
Poor peter, this is a really difficult format for this sort of thing. Your completely on the spot, and the dumb crowd has the patience and respect of grade school kids. He has to put in so much effort for this stuff. You can hear some nervousness in his voice. Anything to spread awareness.
31.00 Total misrepresentation of the argument, PJ's argument is system changes will change behaviour not the other way round, this guy is trying to turn it into some wishy washy shit, which isn't what PJ was arguing at all..It's impossible to d what this guy says when you have to earn money to survive, it is impossible to not be corrupt..
Most of these druggies don't believe anything at all, they just love to argue precisely because they are their own gods..These types of people are fucking horrible, usually all shagging each others girlfriends and shit and I don't say that for the sake of it. In my experience its true..Alex Garland's the beach isn't far off an accurate description of these types.
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One of the keys to Peter's message is that SELF-INTEREST MUST BECOME SOCIAL-INTEREST. Too many people ask questions with their ego deeply involved and they don't think things through. People really do need to improve upon their critical thinking skills. There are many different kinds of distortions, fallacies, and misconceptions out there that we must be aware of.
Kinda dissapointing how humans need a leader to tell them what's right & what to do.... Whether they be Alex Jones, Peter Joseph, Jacque Fresco, Ron Paul... We need to become our own leaders
I hope he stays humble. People have a way of "making you a god" and it's hard to resist. No one is above it, it's the ultimate temptation-vanity.
Having said that I think he is a breath of fresh air! Something Iv'e been praying for for years to try to understand why the world is the way it is, and the "Sytems" (as he explained) that have always been in place.
He is not leading us, he is just helping us think for a change! Shedding some light on IMPORTANT topics! So much respect for Peter! Hope to see him and talk with him when he comes to London! :D
@Amarx00 Religion should be a personal belief and never be forced onto anyone. Its the manipulative properties of religions that can be used today (like christianity for example) that make people question things like evolution and other scientific facts that can be proven and more than likely benefit our understanding of the physical world. Like good and bad people, religion is in favor of this notion, whereas science believes it is a cultural influence upon people. This is Just one example
I disagree, I dont disagree with science, and there is a wide range of scientific opinion on evolution. My own personally I suspect that explains a lot of things such as the missing link, and more. But you write manipulative properties of religions that can be used today (like christianity for example)... that sounds like the statement of someone who has no idea of Christian theology... what I mean is that there are many atheist theologists who can read a bible objectivley.
But more importantly than all of that... is that your trying to divert my argument. What I mean is, are you finished now and want to move onto something else?
Or are you going to try and address any of my points. For if just one of them is right... and I happen to know they all are, then you are embroiled up in deception.
And as I have said before, if you have the truth in front of you and still dont believe, then there is nothing anyone can do to help you, or you yourself.
@Amarx00 I'm not sure haha! I guess I can try and answer the points but I dont have room in this box! Theosophy is a term for spiritual higher order? In terms of enlightenment? I think Satanism is a branch from christianity in that we are our own god? which I guess is a form of spiritual enlightenment and not worshipping A god (but holds anti-christian beliefs) a prime example of conflicting ideas. Who is right? No one because its a belief, which cant be disproved. And then came science to prove
My friend, I hope you see the truth one day, what would help is to reearch the things you dont know about, objectively from real archiological and historical sources.
Theosophy was founded by Helena Blavaski and she was the worlds most famous Satanist before Crowley. Satanism is FAR from a branch of christianity it i the opposite in terms of the great controversy.
And this is more than beleif if you look at history and the evidence, you see the truth clearly... I hope one day.
@Amarx00 I wish i could reply to all of this but I dont have room in this box! Why not e-mail Peter and write all the comments you have been putting on here if you are that bothered! I'm sure he can enlighten you to some extent. I'm sadly not intelligent enough. Social conditioning you see haha ;-)
The only thing that gets me bothered is that people create a foundation to their belief.
On this video, then neglect to ask themselves who is behind all this, and what are their intentions... But more shockingly just to simply check out the claims in the film.
@Amarx00 I'm not a religious person so in answer to your question no I'm not going to ask him to disprove these points. I have better things to worry about. Thank you
And it does not matter if your a religious person or not, what matters is if someone chooses to close their mind to the truth and open it to lies! If I show you the truth and yet you still cant see it, then there may be nothing I or others can do to help you, or for you as a so called truther, to do to help yourself!
@Amarx00 I just want to clarify. Correct me if I'm wrong. So the reason your saying Peter is a liar is because he is going to lead us into a whole new world order or whatever and that he is actually lying about Pollution, poverty, war, corruption and greed? Is this what you mean? And that he knows the origins of christianity?
@Lordgout To elaborate on Pollution, poverty, war, corruption and greed if you look at the sources in the film. At the facts such as Theosophy being the Nazi national religion. Arian race and all that. Manly P Hall, who is a major source for ZG, who also wrote for Blavaski's LUCIFER magazine which later became Lucifer Publishing Company, then today LUCIS trust. Any reasonable person should see he is working for the people doing the Pollution, poverty, war, corruption and greed.
I think you've got me going now. But how I think it works is that the Millitary Industrial Complex you see today is NOT the NWO. It is what they intend to replace with the NWO. Ever noticed that the cities in the Venus Project are so small. What people like AJ and others have said about the NWO is that they want to cap the worlds population so they can control resources... If that were true then what would it mean? It would mean a world system based on tyranny.
To keep the world at a level of poulation world mean abitary euthanasia. Or Gov controlled murder, except of course for the elite and chosen. And how could they initiate a system in the west where they can get away with that? we'll were seing it now. But what the involvement of Theosophy and behind it all Kabbalism shows us, is they want to go back to a time where they may once again openly worship their old gods, including human and animal sacrifice.
@Amarx00 Did you watch Zeitgeist and Z Addendum? I think he clearly states that the only problem with a growing population is the sustainability of peoples fundamental needs like food water etc. We live on a finite world after all. Life is a miracle but if we cant sustain life because of our basic needs then that i being reckless. I dont think they want to initiate anything in the west, its a global problem not western, or eastern. This is a HUMAN problem. All over the world there are problems
@Amarx00 Because he actually makes sense mate!! No killing is not a solution. What will solve alot of problems is creating a system that is not monetary based that manifests greed and corruption but sustains itself for basic human needs like food, water, clothing, shelter and a GOOD education and to not limit the individuals needs (creative,scientific or whatever) I think your missing the point of this whole concept mate. Sorry
Let me remind you that money is not what causes evil, but it is the Love of money that is the root of all evil. But do you think I would disagree with the rest of what you have written? Why would I?
@Amarx00 I'm not saying that at all! When did I? I agree with you that love of money causes problems like greed and corruption! Money is created by humans to aqquire goods and services (which is what we desire) but the excessive need for money is what causes problems and is what corporations need to make as much of to keep their power intact financially. This is where profit comes into play and causes problems
No I went off on a Tangent I'm sorry, "... So the reason your saying Peter is a liar is because he is going to lead us into a whole new world order or whatever and that he is actually lying about Pollution, poverty, war, corruption and greed? Is this what you mean? And that he knows the origins of christianity?"
Go and check that, and you'll find the hole runs a lot deeper!
@Amarx00 They already do unfortunately, through abortion and War, biological and otherwise. That's "some" of the way they keep the population in control.
"They already do unfortunately, through abortion and War, biological and otherwise. That's "some" of the way they keep the population in control." whats this a response to?
And what Xeitgeist and allmost all of todays media is about. Is what H P Blavaski wrote in her book Externalization Of The Hierarchy. They know that your everyday person would not stomach living in a world where they had to suffer seeing stuff like that. So it's about the slow reconditioning of peoples mind, to prepare them to once again accept the old Gods. Modern (and old) example is this UFO thing....
Have you ever heard of the Ashtar Command?, you can yt them. They think/claim their channeling alien entites. When in actual fact they are channeling ASTEROTH, a lutenant of satan who you can checkout in the bible, who along with todays Boheman Grove Molec, would demand reguarly once a family or something like that... they give one of their own children to pass through the sarificial flames.
They do this to their own flesh and blood! Imagine what they would do to you and yours...
@Amarx00 Dude. I'm sorry but unless there is evidence of aliens, jesus, satan then I will be more than open to consider this a factor in todays problems. But we cant can we? What I know thats real is...people are struggling to get jobs, cant afford food or water, crime increasing etc. not these paranoid ideas that are religiously(?) entagled. This is what Peter means, when these IDEAS become stronger than actual evidence and facts. They simply dont have a say I'm afraid
@Amarx00 No. Government are also people, just like everyone else on this planet. They can only solve issues that are based in a monetary environement. To be free, the whole notion of government, order and class needs to be eradicated. This is purely created in the idea of a monetary based society. People need to be unified together and live in harmony and understand that we are all one, like nature, it can only function as one. Science and Technology solves problems and liberates people
Sorry I went off on a Tangent there so lest take a step back, "... So the reason your saying Peter is a liar is because he is going to lead us into a whole new world order or whatever and that he is actually lying about Pollution, poverty, war, corruption and greed? Is this what you mean? And that he knows the origins of christianity?"
You flatter me, but I dont think that will ever be the case. It started for me researching the NWO before I became Christian. When I discovered that many of these people like Blavaski, Albert Pike & Alster Crowley were satanist and founded the beleifs and in the case of the Bush family might have even sired a few children I just started asking, if it was all bull, then why would they spend all that money building monuments peolple dont know about, or cant see...
Why would they spend all that time worshiping in secret, spilling all that blood.
If it were for nothing, as these people never do anything for nothing. It's always an investment... so I started loking at their writings. The great controversy is the fact, most occults will try to hide from you or tell you different, is that God and Satan are not equals... I was thinking even today, is like life is a waiting room for a job interview, and the job is everlasting life...
@Amarx00 Sorry could you elaborate on who would be worshipping in secret? And controversy on what facts? And what do you mean by god and satan not being equals? Do I get the impression you are focusing mainly on the spiritual aspect and not the physical/real world aspects? Not saying religion is nothing to do with this but I need to know what your trying to say a bit more clearly that relates to my previous comments
Sorry, the people in control, look at the Rothchilds and others their decendants what they did and what they wrote. For example have you heard of Bushs grandmother? Traveled with Crowley for a number of months while he was doing his sex magic, then she whent back home to her husband and two kids in the US, a few (I didnt check the dates) months later Bushes mum was born.
The great contronersey the ongoing war between good and evil.
@Amarx00 How does this relate to what we are discussing? Are you saying good and evil has a huge role in the worlds problems? If this is what you mean, good and evil and concepts devised by people are not actualy a scientific fact. What is good and what is evil? Its all based on what is socially acceptable within that society. for example, a nazi killing a jew is deemed acceptable and good because he has been conditioned to believe he is doing good.
But anyone from a loving family, regardless of race and creed will recodnise a smile and what it means. Will know that to kill someone is wrong... what is the operative word... LOVE, you see what I mean?
Thanks for that comment, made me think! because have you seen Schindlers List?, even during those dark times in Germany, there was still a remnant of people who had a love for life, and many gave their own to protect others... I'm talkin about Germans and at the time members of the Nazi party, braver people than we may find today. So I see all this, and the writings of these people, is what you find in revelations in the bible, except the devil wins!
Thats not why I became Christian thats through my own experiences, but I think as I christian it meant I was willing to go further down the whole, where as many Atheists that look into the NWO, get to Satanism and Kabbalah, and they then turn away to protect their own beliefs.
@Amarx00 If an Atheist chooses to be a satanist then thats his or her choice. You might not see eye to eye but you cant riducle them because of it if they are not harming you in any way shape or form. Its an individuals belief. I have to emphasize the word BELIEF here alot. And in terms on New world order, the Venus project does not promote order in the sense of a traditional based society where there is a leader, if this is what your worried about?
I never said anything about atheist becoming satanist, I cant stop them from doing what they want to do, i didnt say i did. I was reffering to Atheist doing research on the NWO finding evidence that satanist are involed with the NWO and then not wanting to touch on the subject. Like Alex Jones who occasionally screams out "SATANISTS!!!" but has never gone as far as showing the meaning of the owl at bohemian grove or things like the Kabbalah, and the Talmud do you see what I mean?
And let me remind you that it was God that created Satan, in the battle where after he was expelled, he and the other angels didnt even go near god.
They just went for michelangelo and his angels. Kind of like what Gods doing with us now. The whole doctrine, is that Satan has already lost going back to me waiting room analogy, he is just trying to ruin the chances for as many of us as possible. My point is, you have to focus on the spiritual aspect, because they are, like I said...
@Amarx00 There where Nazis that did disagree with Hitlers motives. Like anyone that has the ability to think and can recognize the problems with certain motives and ideas. it depends on alot of factors such as education and how much conditioning has been inflicted onto the person. Believe what you want spiritually if it benefits you, but you cant expect people to agree with a belief you have, because beliefs are not factual. They are spiritual.
And thats your belief, and I respect that. Watch the link I sent you, it's long, but if you want more detail it's there. Go into the people mentioned behind the film and see for yourself. But most of all try and find opposing facts. Then you can be more or less confident to go by the weight of evidence. I used to be an atheist, I even dabbled in the occult before. Satan is the master of all lies, and from the first he mixes truth with lies, the same as Xeitgeist.
@Amarx00 I find the video you linked to me confusing. Admittedly I am not christian, so alot of information is definitly hard to understand and follow. But, what aspect of christianity conflicts with the idea of creating a society that is resource based? Is it that the teachings of bible are not coherent with this idea? if so, then what you or implying is that christians are fearful of change (perhaps?)
You dont need to be Christian, you notice that none of the people and experts featured are not either, which is why I sent it to you. But to answer your question, none. In fact Christianity advocates looking after our planet and enviroment & like our own bodies treat it as a temple. The only thing that conflicts with Christian doctrine is prohesy, which if you know anything about revelations, you would how it is becoming true, the satanic one world order it prophecies.
And God is the employer... What I discovered from all the occult writings is the story they all portray of Lucifer, is in many cases the opposite that is found in the bible.
So there is a whole secret religion in this world today, made up of princes and principalities who are sworn and working against God, to these alternate views of the bible. What got me was things like the fact that when you look at the oral traditions passed down through many religions, I bet even Catholisim...
I have come across this attitude before from Zeitheads and yet I still cant understand it, are you saying its' alright that he lies to you a little bit?
And furhermore take a look at the argument you've just composed to me! Because you say the religious segment of the film is irrelevant as your not religious which only leaves the monetary segment and the NWO/Theosophy inspired Venus project. We have already established that he is representing other peoples work on the financial collapse, so that only leaves the Venus projects and Theosophy, are you sure your not religious? As said before he attacks Christianity none else ask why!
@Amarx00 Chill dude! Smoke some weed or get laid! Haha! I think hes means when religion is used in a political context (as the guy in the crowd asked a similar question) so whether your Christian or part of any other well known and established religion that preaches and has a more prominent influence on people today I guess its that which is irrelevant and holds back technological advancements like the Venus project. Do you understand where I'm coming from? I think Peter has explained this
I hear what you saying, but the fact is depite that, the fruits of his work focus primarily on Christianity, no Islam I heard is one of th fast growing religions in the world today... I have seen not one instance of this movement or the individuals involved in it trying to put that, or any other religion on the block... actions speak louder than words.
WAKE UP ZEITHEADS! WATCH ZEITGEIST DEBUNKED... LOOK THROUGH MY PREVIOUS COMMENTS HERE! DONT JUST SIT IN YOUR BEDROOMS AND BE FED BY LIES. IF YOU HAVE A LOVE FOR THE TRUTH, THEN DONT STOP WITH PETER JOSPEH & ZEITGEIST... BECAUSE IF YOU DONT, then may God have mercy on your souls!
@Amarx00 peter joseph is one person out there who has the where with all to get off his ass and make some effort by contributing to the public conversation that is shaping our future, he may not be 100% correct, but at least he has the guts to stick his neck out in the face of a zillion negative naysayers who love to take out their own personal anger issues on anyone who sticks their head above the parapets - the solution lies within each of us - its our responsibilty to find it :)
Your making this really personal as if am Im here, as you imply, "love to take out their own personal anger issues on anyone who sticks their head above the parapets"
Have you NOT read any of my previous comments?
And if so how could you ignore them with comments like, "peter joseph is one person out there who has the where with all to get off his ass and make some effort"
When clearly that effort is to try and help his masters enslave us, do I need to repeat my points to you?
Are you deleting my comments? As that would be very closed minded for someone who claims that theirs is open. And if you did then that would say a lot! Face me, argue against me, cause if you censor what I am writing here, then you are guilty in leading others into your ignorance! As well as many accusations I have seen levied against so called Christians. If im wrong, then forgive me. Just I cant see some of my commets anymore.
I'm sorry I was wrong, I found the comment. I have to say that this is the longest I have been debating on a video like this without being blocked. So regardless, I would say you are an open minded person visiondanz, which I beleive will help people like me and you find the truth, or the truth to find you...
@Amarx00 "Looking to Peter Joseph & Zeitgeist as the solution is like asking a child molester to take care of your children"
Uhm...That makes NO sense whatsoever dude. I'm not going to insult you or call you names like a 4yr old, but please explain that rediculous statement?...
It means I would not look to Joseph for the solutions to the worlds problems. And as in the analogy I presented, think that would be ridiculous. And as I have commented here it is not what he says about the solutions I have a problem with.
But simply his sources, achedemic competence, and the intentions of the roots of this movement. I confess I am surprised you asked about that, as you seem intelligent enough to have decerned that for yourself...
@Amarx00 What "particularly" did Zeitgeist or Mr. Joseph say that you didn't agree with? (one or two things at a time) I'm just curious. I mean I don't agree with everything myself, but I can't just dismiss what he said concerning the World we live in.
As far as "academic competence" by what standard are you using to measure his intelligence? His "sources" are all accounted for, and his "intentions" are simply awareness and "having people think for themselves.
Read back through my comments, but quickly, what he says about religion (Christianity). His intentions, cause as you have seen, the founders of TZM have links to the very same millitary idustrial complex that they claim to be exposing, as well as Theosophy, so it means things like the Venus project are the plans for the elite.. you can help them acheive it! Just dont expect to be a part of it, as David spangler said, without an initiation.
@Amarx00 I would have to do research on what youv'e said about "only the Elite being part of it" because it doesen't make sense. It is not a "resource based economy" so the Elite would have nothing to do with it. I am a believer and follower of Jesus and the bible and this was a "renewing of my spirit" to tell you the truth. Instead of hearing the same crap fed to us from the Church (who is only out to make money off sheep) I and others are fed up with Religion, dogma, and doctrine.
Oh and I use a very simple and reliable standard to measure his academic competence, it's the historical & archiological standard. As I am not either I deffer to the expertise of others. And if 99% of QUALIFIED archiologist and historians say that Jesus existed, then why woud I choose to beleive the one occultist who says he didnt? It's called the weight of evidence. You say his sources are all accounted for, which shows how much you dont know...
@Amarx00There are many believers who for them, Zeitgeist was a "breath of fresh air" Theyr'e tired of the same old Systems indoctrinating us "not" to think for ourselves. I also believe in Christ, I have a personal relationship with him. I beleive ZM is a radical idea to "light a fire" under people to make them question even/especially their own beiefs.
Please concentrate on the other 90% of what ZM is talking about and try not to get "stuck" in the Religious portion of it. It really is truth.
Find me just one. Non esoteric (Occultist) source that confirms what PJ says about religon, that is both qualified archiologically and or historically. I can produce to you both Christian, Non Christian and Atheist Theologist & Historians qualified to point out the lies... You cant.
@Amarx00 P.J. is not an occultist. He's not an "anything" and you can bet I'm praying for him :)
But he's on to something whether people want to admit it or not!
The first thing I thought when I saw the "Religious portion" of ZM was...
WOW! GOD FORETOLD THE BIRTH OF HIS SON ALL THOSE YEARS AGO THROUGH EVEN SECULAR OR PAGAN MEANS, TO GET PEOPLE READY FOR THE MIRACLE (GOD INCARNATE) IN THEIR OWN LANGUAGE, CULTURE AND TRADITIONS THRUOUGHT THE YEARS!
1. Download teamspeak
2. Get a microphone and go online to this adress
Address: teamspeak[.] zeitgeist-movement [.]com
Port: 9987
Password = tzm
Thumbs up all...... let people see that movement is 24/7 online
86razva 4 months ago 5
Peter..you were really inspired in this one....
Awesome
TheDarkFenix 4 months ago
I feel bad for Peter in this one...surely didn't deserve this....
But he was amazing, as always
TheDarkFenix 4 months ago
This audience is weird
MsQueenofBlades 4 months ago
Nothing but full respect for Peter. He's always so positive despite all the attacks he suffers and all te world falling apart..
Guess that's what happens when you advocate what you really believe.
MsQueenofBlades 4 months ago
45:40 - sounds like he's about to cry.
EquinoxParadox91 5 months ago
21:30 - What's up with the enlightening Abraham Lincoln in the background?
dkornsb 5 months ago
what I am trying to say and failing at it-is as ZM we need to move into the direction of teaching people--setting up a training module so we can teach people and quickly. We can't just keep teaching people to ride a bike--we have got to let them get on and learn how to ride themselves. Or ZM will be leaders and the rest of the world -followers with Peter at the helm.
VenusFreedom777 6 months ago
ignore last comment-I can't delete it-it did not really make sense.
VenusFreedom777 6 months ago
Perhaps we ZM should try and answer and question session-instead of answer and question--if we want the focus off of Peter- and we turn all of us into leaders then maybe we should all be up there and anyone else who feels they have got answers-along with Peter and the rest can ask questions-then again maybe I am crazy--I might try that approach at Q and A's myself.
VenusFreedom777 6 months ago
Hey! is that you (visiondanz) in the video at 44:20???
questionsleadtotruth 6 months ago
I fucking love the guy at 30:30. Great comment. I believe everything he says.
questionsleadtotruth 6 months ago
This guy is a total nutjob! Dangerous
FlashmoreGash 7 months ago
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@FlashmoreGash
Evidence of your claim?
casemon 6 months ago
@FlashmoreGash Why?
The34gl3 5 months ago
What a retarded crowd... First question was nice and then downhill...
masteranza 8 months ago in playlist The Venus Proyect
The term and meaning of a Resource-Based Economy was originated by Jacque Fresco.
JaminStocker 9 months ago 2
dummys in the crowd piss me off!!!
nestosdaboss 9 months ago
Sorry to upset the Zeitgeist followers but you have fallen into a fake Hollywood created promotion for the New World Order. Just look at how professional the video is and how slick and salesman-like Joseph presents information.
He tries to pretend they are anti-NWO in the Zeitgeist movie but don't want to discuss the NWO. Why? Because they are supporting a ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT disguised as people being together as ONE. This is SCARY!
timberwolves100 9 months ago
@timberwolves100
So anyone who is passionate and learned on the subjects they wish to express is a shill for NWO? You call that evidence? More like you're just looking and seeing the boogyman everywhere. Not everyone wants to take advantage of you; some people see the world different from that. Like Peter Joseph and most of TZM...
casemon 6 months ago
Regardless of what people say. He speaks the full and honest truth. He is the person to wake up the right people to make a positive change toward our earth and humanity. He is under a lot of heat, 24/7, give him the respect. people don't like him and make up excuses saying 'oh he is arrogant'. those people are mad because he speaks the truth and they are scared. they're are scared of love and peace. everyone stand up, wake up. join the Zeitgeist Movement.
don't just join, lead.
Des7ify 10 months ago 13
HUMANS ARE CONNECTED AND THE INTERNET WILL HELP AND CREATE THE NEW WORLD ,TOGETHER WILL PROGRESS ....
romeonikegolf70 10 months ago 2
@romeonikegolf70 ditto! when the internet came out ... if was only a matter of time before the revolution begun .... it is here now .... yay!
VenusAsABoyFilms 10 months ago
Hey Pit. You are amazing/what a true Human Being ought to be + Jacque.
dushi21 11 months ago
stupid crowd act like they r all below 5 y o..
SterPal 11 months ago
clearly london is more insane than most places...
this crowd is ridicilous
gerry5468 11 months ago
This means our problems are a cause of scarcity, Scarcity of thinking, of competition. Competition breeds scarcity. When we cooperate and recreate our life support structures to work systematically to our current level of technological achievement the illusion of scarcity will release from our consciousness and immense awakening will be upon us.
CreatorChannel 11 months ago
Why are people just talking over peter? Unbelievable!
TheWarrior1986 11 months ago
There are some real funky people in the crowd!
Dummertrummer 11 months ago 3
Wanna see an interesting religion? Study Ceremonial Magic and Theurgy.
freitasnetuno 11 months ago
@freitasnetuno Elphus Levi! A good study; but we prefer to call it Ontology now (again). For those who don't know it is a remnant of the original religion - id est, before science and religion split. Think of it as science with God: Science is Gods way of getting things done.
The question of Zeitgeist is : do we believe the upgrade in consciousness will occur or not? If we do believe, Zeitgeist is the only way. If we don't believe Man will change, Zeitgeist is suicide on a global scale.
QAAproducts 11 months ago
..and propagate these understandings and ideals.
Even more unfortunate is that I fear this necessary expansion and proliferation of ideals cannot happen soon enough. We're in the midst of the collapse of our economic system, yet the times scale that could cultivate any such critical mass may take at least 3 or more generations. The first 2 to simply become an educated majority, then another to effectively displace established power regimes. I’d say that is still being fairly optimistic.
IdeasAboveStation 11 months ago
Furthermore, that there is a subtle, yet definite presence of fear - "How do we get there from here?" As one of the questioners mentions "What about all the chavs/council house sponges/trailer trash?" - Basically, a simple consideration of those who are simply profoundly ill educated and will not contribute to this transition in anyway. This is the crux of any movement. That people need to raise their level of awareness and education to first understand these ideas, and then effectively spread..
IdeasAboveStation 11 months ago
Unfortunately, this scenario is typical of the battle we have ahead of us. Most people simply don't get it. They don't understand how to be their own authority, to be in control of their own lives.
"I have gained this by philosophy, that I do without command that which others do only from fear of the law!" - Aristotle
The problem is education. The majority of people aren't intellectually developed enough to perceive the nuances of this way of thinking/the attitude we need to evolve/grow into.
IdeasAboveStation 11 months ago 4
Why are these people so dumb? Drugs?
SlayingMinion 11 months ago 3
Unfortunately Peter didnt expect such an audience, I think he was a bit disappointed
zuluula 1 year ago 2
Why cant english people shut the fuck up and stop the chit chat for peter joseph? ..Anytime a leech politician opens there mouth on question time the room goes silent but they cant listen to what this man has to say?
eggfleece 1 year ago
@eggfleece this took place in a completely different environment to Question Time!
alexlee303 1 year ago
32:37 what a fucking dumb ass, TOTALLY doesnt get it
since when was someone who lived in a council house a freeloader because they do so?
how can he not see the film is ANTI-private property? what a dumb shit'
Mosley2 1 year ago
@Mosley2 Yeah, he seems to entirely miss the point. Especially since he's asking if Peter Joseph wants to the be the "emperor" of this new society *facepalm*
TheChohr 11 months ago
The new film of Zeitgeist --- Zeitgeist: Moving Forward is almost online check it out at zeitgeistmovie com
K1fans 1 year ago 4
Not to geek out or anything but the talking in the background is not as loud as it may seem. What you are possibly hearing is the noise floor picked up by the microphone. Even the slightest talking from 100 yards away may be amplified if a light compressor has been applied to the input source. The lower the ceiling threshold, the louder background noise will become. The talking may not sound as loud as it seems. Unless however a connected unused mic is being recorded somewhere in the room.
clankm 1 year ago
@clankm You are just one of the many reasons of why an understanding of science and technology is important. Dare I pun? The geek shall inherit the earth!
*crickets*
... okay I guess it's time to get back to learning stuff!
*clicks the post button*
enlightenedone676 1 year ago
Isn't it funny that when we sit and deliberate on how to solve these problems we always come to the same answer; LOVE is the solution, LOVE is the answer... How many times have we heard that? It's only now that some of us are starting to understand that yes, love IS the answer. John Lennon had it right, "all you need is love."
rarosera 1 year ago 3
WHY DIDN'T THE GUY W/THE MICROPHONE TELL EVERYONE TO SHUT THE F*CK UP?!?!?!?!?! DESPITE having all that NOISE in the room, Peter did an EXCELLENT job answering those TOUGH questions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (He's SOOO DAMN intelligent AND tolerant!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
igspal 1 year ago
@igspal this took place in one room of the Luminopolis club, which is a 7 room, 3000 person event. People were walking around between the rooms and talking. Its just not possible to get everybody to shut up in those circumstances. You can hear some shh-ing when certain people get too loud. I think most people who were sitting and listening were quiet. And I completely agree, Peter was very impressive.
alexlee303 1 year ago
i love the music in the beginning!!!
P.S. it is composed by peter joseph
TheBillibabu 1 year ago 3
plz peter, these people are intoxicated, by the shit given to them by system, and seem more interested in themselves rather than the future off their offspring or the enviroment . i understand what you are trying to achjeve here. i can strum a few chords and will put your message across through my media, hope u read this.
peace out, manchester, england
amassom 1 year ago
os incivilizados y atropellando a nuestros semejantes, no seremos ayudados por seres que nos observan,que tienen la capacidad de darnos las herramientas que la humanidad necesita y tenemos que hacer lo posible para estar en control y hacer el bien donde nos encontremos como discípulos sibil izados y verdadera mente humanos y sentirnos orgullosos de serlo
rulys123 1 year ago
Holy shit there is a ghost in the background at 21:37!
prodrummer99 1 year ago
I love how the nerd who asks the first question is trying to be such a smart ass, and peter just enihilates him intellectually. smarmy bastard
kface001 1 year ago
revolution is coming
ashman9992 1 year ago 4
inspiration
LAPDP92 1 year ago
he is right, everyone needs to become the leader! join me on facebook to help get this message out!!
truthknowledge. com/The_System. php
MopDMTBARTL 1 year ago
• I like Peter Joseph, I've learned a lot from him! He does a great job exposing Religion. However, he doesn't give you the whole truth when it comes to God, Jesus and the Bible. Jesus and the bible have nothing to do with Religion. My philosophy involves both resource based economy and capitalism (or property) for those who care for that. You simply need to stick to TRUTH. We do not live in a free-market capitalist society when you control make your competitor(s) illegal.
truthknowledge. Com
MopDMTBARTL 1 year ago
@MopDMTBARTL I think you should look at the Zeitgeist resource companion guide... it goes much more in depth than the documentary. You can get it from his site.
benandreas369 1 year ago
Long live commie revolution in the USA!
JosLutgens 1 year ago
@JosLutgens in all the world my friend
justicierofinal 1 year ago
What the hell. the crowd is drinking beer. screaming being rude. the people asking (shouting) their question and then dont listen to the answer. most moronic crowd i ever seen.
MrFelixify 1 year ago
This seemed like a waste of peters time with this crowd.Was this hosted at a bar or something? It looked like people had been getting drunk the whole time while watching zeitgeist. By the time Q & A came everyone was probally so buzed. Most anything that came out of their mouths were just random statements/ beliefs/ thoughts etc. instead of actual questions. Im guessing the rudeness was probally alcohol related aswell. the Zeitgeist site does have some really good Q & A in the radio address.
yllierutube 1 year ago
Poor peter, this is a really difficult format for this sort of thing. Your completely on the spot, and the dumb crowd has the patience and respect of grade school kids. He has to put in so much effort for this stuff. You can hear some nervousness in his voice. Anything to spread awareness.
MyOnlyFarph 1 year ago
Excellent exercise:P If you survive this type of crowd without a guitar and a 350W amp you can do ANYTHING! :P
z3r0Projects 1 year ago
The guy 22 mins in looks drunk.
tehjaxor 1 year ago
Dont people have manners?
21Liberdade 1 year ago 2
poor Joseph getting attacked by all these nutcases
xsosior 1 year ago
This must have been very frustrating to sit through, I really apologize Peter.
KaleRay93 1 year ago
33.04 government shill..
sophisticsolice 1 year ago
@sophisticsolice or just plain moron. looks like a moron, sounds like shill.
sophisticsolice 1 year ago
31.00 Total misrepresentation of the argument, PJ's argument is system changes will change behaviour not the other way round, this guy is trying to turn it into some wishy washy shit, which isn't what PJ was arguing at all..It's impossible to d what this guy says when you have to earn money to survive, it is impossible to not be corrupt..
sophisticsolice 1 year ago
Most of these druggies don't believe anything at all, they just love to argue precisely because they are their own gods..These types of people are fucking horrible, usually all shagging each others girlfriends and shit and I don't say that for the sake of it. In my experience its true..Alex Garland's the beach isn't far off an accurate description of these types.
sophisticsolice 1 year ago
Ive got an idea about population control, lets sart by sterilising and euthanising dreadlocked trustafarians. What a cock.
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polysemousncrk 1 year ago
why is the crowd talking throught this whole video? that is so rude.
seapockets 1 year ago 41
@seapockets What did you expect? they are humans..
kousoulides 1 year ago
@kousoulides i expect humans to show respect and pay attention while another is talking, not talk over them.
seapockets 1 year ago
@seapockets You also expect them not to go NUKE on each other right?
kousoulides 1 year ago
@seapockets ya its fucking annoying
kingplatoedwinkaku 1 year ago
Peter has to deal with the PCP crew here
Todycampface 1 year ago 21
One of the keys to Peter's message is that SELF-INTEREST MUST BECOME SOCIAL-INTEREST. Too many people ask questions with their ego deeply involved and they don't think things through. People really do need to improve upon their critical thinking skills. There are many different kinds of distortions, fallacies, and misconceptions out there that we must be aware of.
WJValente 1 year ago
This is was a very difficult audience for Peter to deal with. So many people missed the points of the what Peter is expressing in the video.
bakari45 1 year ago
@bakari45 This is why I fear the so-called "awake" people..
WJValente 1 year ago
May i ask what the opening song is? :P
nakedmongoose123 1 year ago
@nakedmongoose123 peter joseph's own music
machogun 1 year ago
@machogun oh. its really cool lol
nakedmongoose123 1 year ago
I count at least 3 occultists who have approached me on this video, pretending to be Atheist. A warning to all you genuine truth seekers here!
Amarx00 1 year ago
Kinda dissapointing how humans need a leader to tell them what's right & what to do.... Whether they be Alex Jones, Peter Joseph, Jacque Fresco, Ron Paul... We need to become our own leaders
twistedfool420 1 year ago 5
I hope he stays humble. People have a way of "making you a god" and it's hard to resist. No one is above it, it's the ultimate temptation-vanity.
Having said that I think he is a breath of fresh air! Something Iv'e been praying for for years to try to understand why the world is the way it is, and the "Sytems" (as he explained) that have always been in place.
atlasshrugged2u 1 year ago
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@Amarx00 what are you trying to achieve here?
markec123 1 year ago
He is not leading us, he is just helping us think for a change! Shedding some light on IMPORTANT topics! So much respect for Peter! Hope to see him and talk with him when he comes to London! :D
Lordgout 1 year ago
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@Lordgout
We'll when you speak to him ask him to disprove ANY of these points;
My points again;
1.) Zeitgeist and the Venus Project is from and aspouses Theosophy
2.) Theosophy at its' core is a form of Satanism
3.) Zeitgeist tells lies about the origin of Christianity
4.) Zeitgeist claims that Jesus didnt exist
5.) Zeitgeist claims to be for 911 truth
And if you yourself cannot disprove any of these and yet still blindly believe, then your under whats called a strong delusion!
Amarx00 1 year ago
@Amarx00 People like you give religion a bad reputation
Lordgout 1 year ago
@Lordgout
Because you dont want something to be true you call it bad!, like I said, you really have to do better than that!
Amarx00 1 year ago 4
@Amarx00 Religion should be a personal belief and never be forced onto anyone. Its the manipulative properties of religions that can be used today (like christianity for example) that make people question things like evolution and other scientific facts that can be proven and more than likely benefit our understanding of the physical world. Like good and bad people, religion is in favor of this notion, whereas science believes it is a cultural influence upon people. This is Just one example
Lordgout 1 year ago
@Lordgout
I disagree, I dont disagree with science, and there is a wide range of scientific opinion on evolution. My own personally I suspect that explains a lot of things such as the missing link, and more. But you write manipulative properties of religions that can be used today (like christianity for example)... that sounds like the statement of someone who has no idea of Christian theology... what I mean is that there are many atheist theologists who can read a bible objectivley.
Amarx00 1 year ago
@Lordgout
But more importantly than all of that... is that your trying to divert my argument. What I mean is, are you finished now and want to move onto something else?
Or are you going to try and address any of my points. For if just one of them is right... and I happen to know they all are, then you are embroiled up in deception.
And as I have said before, if you have the truth in front of you and still dont believe, then there is nothing anyone can do to help you, or you yourself.
Amarx00 1 year ago
@Amarx00 I'm not sure haha! I guess I can try and answer the points but I dont have room in this box! Theosophy is a term for spiritual higher order? In terms of enlightenment? I think Satanism is a branch from christianity in that we are our own god? which I guess is a form of spiritual enlightenment and not worshipping A god (but holds anti-christian beliefs) a prime example of conflicting ideas. Who is right? No one because its a belief, which cant be disproved. And then came science to prove
Lordgout 1 year ago
@Lordgout
My friend, I hope you see the truth one day, what would help is to reearch the things you dont know about, objectively from real archiological and historical sources.
Theosophy was founded by Helena Blavaski and she was the worlds most famous Satanist before Crowley. Satanism is FAR from a branch of christianity it i the opposite in terms of the great controversy.
And this is more than beleif if you look at history and the evidence, you see the truth clearly... I hope one day.
Amarx00 1 year ago
@Amarx00 I wish i could reply to all of this but I dont have room in this box! Why not e-mail Peter and write all the comments you have been putting on here if you are that bothered! I'm sure he can enlighten you to some extent. I'm sadly not intelligent enough. Social conditioning you see haha ;-)
Lordgout 1 year ago
@Lordgout
The only thing that gets me bothered is that people create a foundation to their belief.
On this video, then neglect to ask themselves who is behind all this, and what are their intentions... But more shockingly just to simply check out the claims in the film.
Whats that about?? Lazy??
Amarx00 1 year ago
@Amarx00 Can you just remind me what you are frustrated with Peter about for again? Sorry i have lost track :P
Lordgout 1 year ago
@Lordgout
BTW, you can use more than one box!
Amarx00 1 year ago
@Amarx00 Ok maybe a bad choice of words. Its arguments like these that prove nothing
Lordgout 1 year ago
@Lordgout
when you see him aske him to disprove ANY of these points;
My points again;
1.) Zeitgeist and the Venus Project is from and aspouses Theosophy
2.) Theosophy at its' core is a form of Satanism
3.) Zeitgeist tells lies about the origin of Christianity
4.) Zeitgeist claims that Jesus didnt exist
5.) Zeitgeist claims to be for 911 truth
And if you yourself cannot disprove any of them, and yet still blindly follow him, then your under whats called, a strong delusion!
Amarx00 1 year ago
@Amarx00 I'm not a religious person so in answer to your question no I'm not going to ask him to disprove these points. I have better things to worry about. Thank you
Lordgout 1 year ago
@Lordgout
And it does not matter if your a religious person or not, what matters is if someone chooses to close their mind to the truth and open it to lies! If I show you the truth and yet you still cant see it, then there may be nothing I or others can do to help you, or for you as a so called truther, to do to help yourself!
Amarx00 1 year ago
@Amarx00 I just want to clarify. Correct me if I'm wrong. So the reason your saying Peter is a liar is because he is going to lead us into a whole new world order or whatever and that he is actually lying about Pollution, poverty, war, corruption and greed? Is this what you mean? And that he knows the origins of christianity?
Lordgout 1 year ago
@Lordgout
I think you got it!
Amarx00 1 year ago
@Lordgout To elaborate on Pollution, poverty, war, corruption and greed if you look at the sources in the film. At the facts such as Theosophy being the Nazi national religion. Arian race and all that. Manly P Hall, who is a major source for ZG, who also wrote for Blavaski's LUCIFER magazine which later became Lucifer Publishing Company, then today LUCIS trust. Any reasonable person should see he is working for the people doing the Pollution, poverty, war, corruption and greed.
Amarx00 1 year ago
@Amarx00 That makes no sense whatsoever I'm afraid. Why would someone who is working to sustain poverty etc exploit it?
Lordgout 1 year ago
@Lordgout
No it's working to replace it... and it seems like the system that I describe... truth is stranger than fiction.
Amarx00 1 year ago
@Lordgout
I think you've got me going now. But how I think it works is that the Millitary Industrial Complex you see today is NOT the NWO. It is what they intend to replace with the NWO. Ever noticed that the cities in the Venus Project are so small. What people like AJ and others have said about the NWO is that they want to cap the worlds population so they can control resources... If that were true then what would it mean? It would mean a world system based on tyranny.
Amarx00 1 year ago
@Lordgout
To keep the world at a level of poulation world mean abitary euthanasia. Or Gov controlled murder, except of course for the elite and chosen. And how could they initiate a system in the west where they can get away with that? we'll were seing it now. But what the involvement of Theosophy and behind it all Kabbalism shows us, is they want to go back to a time where they may once again openly worship their old gods, including human and animal sacrifice.
Amarx00 1 year ago
@Amarx00 Did you watch Zeitgeist and Z Addendum? I think he clearly states that the only problem with a growing population is the sustainability of peoples fundamental needs like food water etc. We live on a finite world after all. Life is a miracle but if we cant sustain life because of our basic needs then that i being reckless. I dont think they want to initiate anything in the west, its a global problem not western, or eastern. This is a HUMAN problem. All over the world there are problems
Lordgout 1 year ago
@Lordgout
I thought you got it, why are you reffering back to PJ?
Yes I've seen them both. Sign... Are you implying that they should start going around killing people to control the population?
Amarx00 1 year ago
@Amarx00 Because he actually makes sense mate!! No killing is not a solution. What will solve alot of problems is creating a system that is not monetary based that manifests greed and corruption but sustains itself for basic human needs like food, water, clothing, shelter and a GOOD education and to not limit the individuals needs (creative,scientific or whatever) I think your missing the point of this whole concept mate. Sorry
Lordgout 1 year ago
@Lordgout
Let me remind you that money is not what causes evil, but it is the Love of money that is the root of all evil. But do you think I would disagree with the rest of what you have written? Why would I?
Amarx00 1 year ago
@Amarx00 I'm not saying that at all! When did I? I agree with you that love of money causes problems like greed and corruption! Money is created by humans to aqquire goods and services (which is what we desire) but the excessive need for money is what causes problems and is what corporations need to make as much of to keep their power intact financially. This is where profit comes into play and causes problems
Lordgout 1 year ago
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@Lordgout
No I went off on a Tangent I'm sorry, "... So the reason your saying Peter is a liar is because he is going to lead us into a whole new world order or whatever and that he is actually lying about Pollution, poverty, war, corruption and greed? Is this what you mean? And that he knows the origins of christianity?"
Go and check that, and you'll find the hole runs a lot deeper!
Amarx00 1 year ago
@Amarx00 They already do unfortunately, through abortion and War, biological and otherwise. That's "some" of the way they keep the population in control.
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Amarx00 1 year ago
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@atlasshrugged2u
"They already do unfortunately, through abortion and War, biological and otherwise. That's "some" of the way they keep the population in control." whats this a response to?
Amarx00 1 year ago
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@Lordgout
Are you that far in?
Amarx00 1 year ago
@Lordgout
And what Xeitgeist and allmost all of todays media is about. Is what H P Blavaski wrote in her book Externalization Of The Hierarchy. They know that your everyday person would not stomach living in a world where they had to suffer seeing stuff like that. So it's about the slow reconditioning of peoples mind, to prepare them to once again accept the old Gods. Modern (and old) example is this UFO thing....
Amarx00 1 year ago
@Lordgout
Have you ever heard of the Ashtar Command?, you can yt them. They think/claim their channeling alien entites. When in actual fact they are channeling ASTEROTH, a lutenant of satan who you can checkout in the bible, who along with todays Boheman Grove Molec, would demand reguarly once a family or something like that... they give one of their own children to pass through the sarificial flames.
They do this to their own flesh and blood! Imagine what they would do to you and yours...
Amarx00 1 year ago
@Amarx00 Dude. I'm sorry but unless there is evidence of aliens, jesus, satan then I will be more than open to consider this a factor in todays problems. But we cant can we? What I know thats real is...people are struggling to get jobs, cant afford food or water, crime increasing etc. not these paranoid ideas that are religiously(?) entagled. This is what Peter means, when these IDEAS become stronger than actual evidence and facts. They simply dont have a say I'm afraid
Lordgout 1 year ago
@Lordgout
Sorry to be pointed with you, but I just asked you a serious question;
Do you think we should live in a world with Goverment controlled euthanasia?
Have you been taken that far in?
Amarx00 1 year ago
@Amarx00 No. Government are also people, just like everyone else on this planet. They can only solve issues that are based in a monetary environement. To be free, the whole notion of government, order and class needs to be eradicated. This is purely created in the idea of a monetary based society. People need to be unified together and live in harmony and understand that we are all one, like nature, it can only function as one. Science and Technology solves problems and liberates people
Lordgout 1 year ago
@Lordgout
Sorry I went off on a Tangent there so lest take a step back, "... So the reason your saying Peter is a liar is because he is going to lead us into a whole new world order or whatever and that he is actually lying about Pollution, poverty, war, corruption and greed? Is this what you mean? And that he knows the origins of christianity?"
All I'll say, is go check that!
And you'll find the hole runs much deeper.
Amarx00 1 year ago
@Amarx00 To be honest mate, I'd much rather hear what you have to say. As you seem to know exactly what this is all about! Please enlighten me ;-)
Lordgout 1 year ago
@Lordgout
You flatter me, but I dont think that will ever be the case. It started for me researching the NWO before I became Christian. When I discovered that many of these people like Blavaski, Albert Pike & Alster Crowley were satanist and founded the beleifs and in the case of the Bush family might have even sired a few children I just started asking, if it was all bull, then why would they spend all that money building monuments peolple dont know about, or cant see...
Amarx00 1 year ago
@Lordgout
Why would they spend all that time worshiping in secret, spilling all that blood.
If it were for nothing, as these people never do anything for nothing. It's always an investment... so I started loking at their writings. The great controversy is the fact, most occults will try to hide from you or tell you different, is that God and Satan are not equals... I was thinking even today, is like life is a waiting room for a job interview, and the job is everlasting life...
Amarx00 1 year ago
@Amarx00 Sorry could you elaborate on who would be worshipping in secret? And controversy on what facts? And what do you mean by god and satan not being equals? Do I get the impression you are focusing mainly on the spiritual aspect and not the physical/real world aspects? Not saying religion is nothing to do with this but I need to know what your trying to say a bit more clearly that relates to my previous comments
Lordgout 1 year ago
@Lordgout
Sorry, the people in control, look at the Rothchilds and others their decendants what they did and what they wrote. For example have you heard of Bushs grandmother? Traveled with Crowley for a number of months while he was doing his sex magic, then she whent back home to her husband and two kids in the US, a few (I didnt check the dates) months later Bushes mum was born.
The great contronersey the ongoing war between good and evil.
Amarx00 1 year ago
@Amarx00 How does this relate to what we are discussing? Are you saying good and evil has a huge role in the worlds problems? If this is what you mean, good and evil and concepts devised by people are not actualy a scientific fact. What is good and what is evil? Its all based on what is socially acceptable within that society. for example, a nazi killing a jew is deemed acceptable and good because he has been conditioned to believe he is doing good.
Lordgout 1 year ago
@Lordgout
But anyone from a loving family, regardless of race and creed will recodnise a smile and what it means. Will know that to kill someone is wrong... what is the operative word... LOVE, you see what I mean?
Amarx00 1 year ago
@Lordgout
Thanks for that comment, made me think! because have you seen Schindlers List?, even during those dark times in Germany, there was still a remnant of people who had a love for life, and many gave their own to protect others... I'm talkin about Germans and at the time members of the Nazi party, braver people than we may find today. So I see all this, and the writings of these people, is what you find in revelations in the bible, except the devil wins!
Amarx00 1 year ago
@Lordgout
Thats not why I became Christian thats through my own experiences, but I think as I christian it meant I was willing to go further down the whole, where as many Atheists that look into the NWO, get to Satanism and Kabbalah, and they then turn away to protect their own beliefs.
Amarx00 1 year ago
@Amarx00 If an Atheist chooses to be a satanist then thats his or her choice. You might not see eye to eye but you cant riducle them because of it if they are not harming you in any way shape or form. Its an individuals belief. I have to emphasize the word BELIEF here alot. And in terms on New world order, the Venus project does not promote order in the sense of a traditional based society where there is a leader, if this is what your worried about?
Lordgout 1 year ago
@Lordgout
I never said anything about atheist becoming satanist, I cant stop them from doing what they want to do, i didnt say i did. I was reffering to Atheist doing research on the NWO finding evidence that satanist are involed with the NWO and then not wanting to touch on the subject. Like Alex Jones who occasionally screams out "SATANISTS!!!" but has never gone as far as showing the meaning of the owl at bohemian grove or things like the Kabbalah, and the Talmud do you see what I mean?
Amarx00 1 year ago
@Lordgout
And let me remind you that it was God that created Satan, in the battle where after he was expelled, he and the other angels didnt even go near god.
They just went for michelangelo and his angels. Kind of like what Gods doing with us now. The whole doctrine, is that Satan has already lost going back to me waiting room analogy, he is just trying to ruin the chances for as many of us as possible. My point is, you have to focus on the spiritual aspect, because they are, like I said...
Amarx00 1 year ago
@Amarx00 There where Nazis that did disagree with Hitlers motives. Like anyone that has the ability to think and can recognize the problems with certain motives and ideas. it depends on alot of factors such as education and how much conditioning has been inflicted onto the person. Believe what you want spiritually if it benefits you, but you cant expect people to agree with a belief you have, because beliefs are not factual. They are spiritual.
Lordgout 1 year ago
@Lordgout
And thats your belief, and I respect that. Watch the link I sent you, it's long, but if you want more detail it's there. Go into the people mentioned behind the film and see for yourself. But most of all try and find opposing facts. Then you can be more or less confident to go by the weight of evidence. I used to be an atheist, I even dabbled in the occult before. Satan is the master of all lies, and from the first he mixes truth with lies, the same as Xeitgeist.
Amarx00 1 year ago
@Amarx00 I find the video you linked to me confusing. Admittedly I am not christian, so alot of information is definitly hard to understand and follow. But, what aspect of christianity conflicts with the idea of creating a society that is resource based? Is it that the teachings of bible are not coherent with this idea? if so, then what you or implying is that christians are fearful of change (perhaps?)
Lordgout 1 year ago
@Lordgout
You dont need to be Christian, you notice that none of the people and experts featured are not either, which is why I sent it to you. But to answer your question, none. In fact Christianity advocates looking after our planet and enviroment & like our own bodies treat it as a temple. The only thing that conflicts with Christian doctrine is prohesy, which if you know anything about revelations, you would how it is becoming true, the satanic one world order it prophecies.
Amarx00 1 year ago
@Lordgout
And God is the employer... What I discovered from all the occult writings is the story they all portray of Lucifer, is in many cases the opposite that is found in the bible.
So there is a whole secret religion in this world today, made up of princes and principalities who are sworn and working against God, to these alternate views of the bible. What got me was things like the fact that when you look at the oral traditions passed down through many religions, I bet even Catholisim...
Amarx00 1 year ago
@Lordgout
I have come across this attitude before from Zeitheads and yet I still cant understand it, are you saying its' alright that he lies to you a little bit?
Amarx00 1 year ago
@Lordgout
And furhermore take a look at the argument you've just composed to me! Because you say the religious segment of the film is irrelevant as your not religious which only leaves the monetary segment and the NWO/Theosophy inspired Venus project. We have already established that he is representing other peoples work on the financial collapse, so that only leaves the Venus projects and Theosophy, are you sure your not religious? As said before he attacks Christianity none else ask why!
Amarx00 1 year ago
@Amarx00 Chill dude! Smoke some weed or get laid! Haha! I think hes means when religion is used in a political context (as the guy in the crowd asked a similar question) so whether your Christian or part of any other well known and established religion that preaches and has a more prominent influence on people today I guess its that which is irrelevant and holds back technological advancements like the Venus project. Do you understand where I'm coming from? I think Peter has explained this
Lordgout 1 year ago
@Lordgout
I hear what you saying, but the fact is depite that, the fruits of his work focus primarily on Christianity, no Islam I heard is one of th fast growing religions in the world today... I have seen not one instance of this movement or the individuals involved in it trying to put that, or any other religion on the block... actions speak louder than words.
Amarx00 1 year ago
My points again;
1.) Zeitgeist and the Venus Project is from and aspouses Theosophy
2.) Theosophy at its' core is a form of Satanism
3.) Zeitgeist tells lies about the origin of Christianity
4.) Zeitgeist claims that Jesus didnt exist
5.) Zeitgeist claims to be for 911 truth
Amarx00 1 year ago
WAKE UP ZEITHEADS! WATCH ZEITGEIST DEBUNKED... LOOK THROUGH MY PREVIOUS COMMENTS HERE! DONT JUST SIT IN YOUR BEDROOMS AND BE FED BY LIES. IF YOU HAVE A LOVE FOR THE TRUTH, THEN DONT STOP WITH PETER JOSPEH & ZEITGEIST... BECAUSE IF YOU DONT, then may God have mercy on your souls!
Amarx00 1 year ago
@Amarx00 what is your problem? - what exactly are you DOING to make our world a better place?
viziondanz 1 year ago
@viziondanz
OMG!!! this is what gets me, dont you think I want peace in our time, dont you think I would like to see the worlds problems resolved?!?
Of course!!! But looking to Peter Jospeh & Zeitgeist as the solution is like asking a child molester to take care of your children.
Sorry about my tone, but it seems your ANOTHER one in the dark about this movement!
Amarx00 1 year ago
@Amarx00 peter joseph is one person out there who has the where with all to get off his ass and make some effort by contributing to the public conversation that is shaping our future, he may not be 100% correct, but at least he has the guts to stick his neck out in the face of a zillion negative naysayers who love to take out their own personal anger issues on anyone who sticks their head above the parapets - the solution lies within each of us - its our responsibilty to find it :)
viziondanz 1 year ago
@viziondanz
Your making this really personal as if am Im here, as you imply, "love to take out their own personal anger issues on anyone who sticks their head above the parapets"
Have you NOT read any of my previous comments?
And if so how could you ignore them with comments like, "peter joseph is one person out there who has the where with all to get off his ass and make some effort"
When clearly that effort is to try and help his masters enslave us, do I need to repeat my points to you?
Amarx00 1 year ago
@viziondanz
Are you deleting my comments? As that would be very closed minded for someone who claims that theirs is open. And if you did then that would say a lot! Face me, argue against me, cause if you censor what I am writing here, then you are guilty in leading others into your ignorance! As well as many accusations I have seen levied against so called Christians. If im wrong, then forgive me. Just I cant see some of my commets anymore.
Amarx00 1 year ago
@viziondanz
I'm sorry I was wrong, I found the comment. I have to say that this is the longest I have been debating on a video like this without being blocked. So regardless, I would say you are an open minded person visiondanz, which I beleive will help people like me and you find the truth, or the truth to find you...
My bad, take care.
Amarx00 1 year ago
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@Amarx00 Ok so what is your argument against Zeitgeist?
Ramiromasters 1 year ago
@Amarx00 "Looking to Peter Joseph & Zeitgeist as the solution is like asking a child molester to take care of your children"
Uhm...That makes NO sense whatsoever dude. I'm not going to insult you or call you names like a 4yr old, but please explain that rediculous statement?...
atlasshrugged2u 1 year ago
@atlasshrugged2u
Really?!?
It means I would not look to Joseph for the solutions to the worlds problems. And as in the analogy I presented, think that would be ridiculous. And as I have commented here it is not what he says about the solutions I have a problem with.
But simply his sources, achedemic competence, and the intentions of the roots of this movement. I confess I am surprised you asked about that, as you seem intelligent enough to have decerned that for yourself...
Amarx00 1 year ago
@Amarx00 What "particularly" did Zeitgeist or Mr. Joseph say that you didn't agree with? (one or two things at a time) I'm just curious. I mean I don't agree with everything myself, but I can't just dismiss what he said concerning the World we live in.
As far as "academic competence" by what standard are you using to measure his intelligence? His "sources" are all accounted for, and his "intentions" are simply awareness and "having people think for themselves.
atlasshrugged2u 1 year ago
@atlasshrugged2u
Read back through my comments, but quickly, what he says about religion (Christianity). His intentions, cause as you have seen, the founders of TZM have links to the very same millitary idustrial complex that they claim to be exposing, as well as Theosophy, so it means things like the Venus project are the plans for the elite.. you can help them acheive it! Just dont expect to be a part of it, as David spangler said, without an initiation.
Amarx00 1 year ago
@Amarx00 I would have to do research on what youv'e said about "only the Elite being part of it" because it doesen't make sense. It is not a "resource based economy" so the Elite would have nothing to do with it. I am a believer and follower of Jesus and the bible and this was a "renewing of my spirit" to tell you the truth. Instead of hearing the same crap fed to us from the Church (who is only out to make money off sheep) I and others are fed up with Religion, dogma, and doctrine.
atlasshrugged2u 1 year ago
@atlasshrugged2u
Oh and I use a very simple and reliable standard to measure his academic competence, it's the historical & archiological standard. As I am not either I deffer to the expertise of others. And if 99% of QUALIFIED archiologist and historians say that Jesus existed, then why woud I choose to beleive the one occultist who says he didnt? It's called the weight of evidence. You say his sources are all accounted for, which shows how much you dont know...
Amarx00 1 year ago
@Amarx00There are many believers who for them, Zeitgeist was a "breath of fresh air" Theyr'e tired of the same old Systems indoctrinating us "not" to think for ourselves. I also believe in Christ, I have a personal relationship with him. I beleive ZM is a radical idea to "light a fire" under people to make them question even/especially their own beiefs.
Please concentrate on the other 90% of what ZM is talking about and try not to get "stuck" in the Religious portion of it. It really is truth.
atlasshrugged2u 1 year ago
@atlasshrugged2u
...so I'm gonna put it on YOU!
Find me just one. Non esoteric (Occultist) source that confirms what PJ says about religon, that is both qualified archiologically and or historically. I can produce to you both Christian, Non Christian and Atheist Theologist & Historians qualified to point out the lies... You cant.
Amarx00 1 year ago
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@Amarx00
For arguments sake, here they are again
My points are;
1.) Zeitgeist and the Venus Project is from and aspouses Theosophy
2.) Theosophy at its' core is a form of Satanism
3.) Zeitgeist tells lies about the origin of Christianity
4.) Zeitgeist claims that Jesus didnt exist
5.) Zeitgeist claims to be for 911 truth
And I challenge any Zeithead reading this, to prove ANY of the above points wrong!
Amarx00 1 year ago
@Amarx00 P.J. is not an occultist. He's not an "anything" and you can bet I'm praying for him :)
But he's on to something whether people want to admit it or not!
The first thing I thought when I saw the "Religious portion" of ZM was...
WOW! GOD FORETOLD THE BIRTH OF HIS SON ALL THOSE YEARS AGO THROUGH EVEN SECULAR OR PAGAN MEANS, TO GET PEOPLE READY FOR THE MIRACLE (GOD INCARNATE) IN THEIR OWN LANGUAGE, CULTURE AND TRADITIONS THRUOUGHT THE YEARS!
THAT'S SOMETHING ONLY GOD CAN DO!!
atlasshrugged2u 1 year ago
@atlasshrugged2u
Whatever you say...
Amarx00 1 year ago
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