Navy Advanced Gun System Scenario: Asymmetric Warfare

[TheReichshund]

Pretty cool



[kristyfulton252]

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[augustuserickson972]

this is where I found my job ...careerstart.info...

[demonhunter5502]

even though there will be asymmetric warfare in the future, using normal ships like the aircraft carrier, ticonderoga cruiser, and arleigh burke destroyer will still suffice. I don't see why they can't just put AGS on our current ships instead of building these really expensive ships. i also agree that the tumblehouse design limits stability in high seas.

[Nanostarification]

when i this hip going to be complete?

[comaradella]

The doctrine of FEAR. makes the us citizen a puppet, of weapon dealers...

[NightSoldierable]

damn i wish that mah speakers were more powerful or you speaked up I CANT EHAR WHACHA SAYIN'

[lordarion1]

"We Have The Best Toys!"

[eviltwin777]

multiple guns and extreme range is smart. These ships will be able to have simultaneous impact which the Paladin was designed to do.

[Jovian84]

I heard a rummor that these wont have BMD radars or be able to fire any of the standard missle family. i wonder if thats true tho.

[Waltham1892]

All this wonderful tech requires the two things the US doesn't do very well, move S-2 from one level of the org-chart to the other, and communicate quickly and effectively....

[Jovian84]

any non pollitical comments on how the ddg 1000 is going to kick so much ass?

[jcsftwre]

That is an Excalibur field artillery mounted on a sub.

[ZOTOBICRBOT]

USA is declining as world superpower

[ewmegoolies]

So, who do you think would be the world's fairest superpower to surpass the USA? Then who do you think would be the most likely superpower to surpass the USA, and why?

[ZOTOBICRBOT]

I don`t know but the most probable candidate is CHINA 8today the second world economy) , if you observe, USA is declining in various fronts including the economic, many country don`t have confidence in US DOLLAR but economy stills depend of this....

[GwnythsPale]

wrong

[Jovian84]

probly true but i'm still going to down your comment.

[walidot]

Loooooooooool terrorist in hawaii, yep terrorists come of trees these days it seems.

[egermanicus]

it would feel more usable, if it wasnt on the deck of the ship, but, rather, in the back of the self propelled artillery carrier...

[ultima3210]

Does it come in red?

[Illuminate666]

I WANT ONE!

[DavidWalker12]

This is a great bit of British technology, manufactured by British Aerospace. No wonder Britain is the world's largest arms exporter.

[AznZephyr]

Northrop Grumman, General Dynamics, and Raytheon are American. I'm pretty sure this is an American Ship.

[DavidWalker12]

The Advanced Gun System (AGS) Is being developed by BAE Systems, NOT Northrop Grumman, General Dynamics or Raytheon. The ship is irrelevant, the AGS can be fitted to any vessel.

[AznZephyr]

I guess that would be obvious from the title <_<

[ArsArma]

Still, BAE is also an american company, and sale might be banned to other countries like the F-22.

[luemas666]

British Aeronautical Engineering is an american company?

[Vairminator]

Calm down a little, the decisions about who to attack and whether or not it is justified/needed is made by elected officials. This video is a study in the ability to respond after those decisions have already been made. In fact, the situations depicted here have happened before and the outcomes typically result in high civilian casualties. The challenge here is to respond appropriately AND limit "brown people" killed. Nobody wants to kill innocents, and these technologies help avoid that.

[Bouchon211]

@Vairminator Shooting a huge building in an urban area with high explosives is always nice. God bless America!

[wanshei]

more facist, racist propaganda bullshit to rob you of your freedoms, your tax dollars and your liberties while killing millions of third world poor motherfuckers. What a nation!

[wanshei]

asymetrical warfare? is that what they're calling wiping out "rogue nations"? Some poor assholes still wearing robes and sandals? Thats your rogue nations.

[escueladeleyi]

your ignorance sickens me

[escueladeleyi]

that "poor asshole" is able to hijack airliners and use as weapons against a nation.

[Focoist911]

oh pity you are so wrong about that. You need to go watch 7/7 Ripple Effect doco, and then watching Missing Links by Prothink.

[ericssson]

they must be talking about indonesia ??

[dojokonojo]

this reminds me of the ww2 day propaganda videos

[endrelunde]

Sorry, but none of the "threats" defeated here were so-called asymmetrical. This is standard force-on-force battle, massed firepower with significant risk of collateral damage. As some have flippantly said, the American approach is "if firepower does not work, you are not using enough." This ship represents the culmination of that thought.

Neat toy though, but for most missions you could get something far cheaper to do much the same.

[acslater017]

it's true that they're not talking about terrorists attacking soft targets or things like that. but it's asymmetrical in that the enemy is apparently using guerilla tactics - hiding in the city with friendlies, constantly on the move, many small groups, etc. But you have a good point

[authoredone]

How about putting a fast acting targeting system on the shells, like a radar, or thermal targeting device? Then they could fire into a given AO, and allow the shell to target vehicles, and such, as it finds them...the will of the state is supreme...

[CryLouder]

what a propaganda

[tylernathanialthomas]

WOW, I'm sure Navy physicists never thought of THAT. And with WIKIPEDIA as your source, who can argue?

[razrtip]

The DD(X) class is now known as Zumwalt class. The ship is probably not designed to fire forwards.

The Tumblehome wave piercing hull is built to reduce hull radar return and cut through waves. However there have been arguments over the stability on high seas in the Naval Architecture community.

The ship would be additionally unstable by fring forwards.

There is documentation on wikipedia which is worth looking at.

[AdvGunSys]

The ship's forward gun can fire forwards, though it is probably unlikely to do so.

This is a 155 gun (similar to army artillery Paladin system). The ships stability is not an issue when the gun is fired. Think about it, the ship weighs over 10k tons, and though the firing is a major thing, its forces are nothing commpared to the mass of the ship.

[razrtip]

Let's say that the XM982 Excalibur shells are used. I'll estimate 7.5kg per shell. Muzzle velocity of 684ms-1. Ship mass of 1x10^7. I calculated a backwards velocity exerted on the ship of 5.13x10^-4 ms-1. This would add up to 51300Ns acting on the ship. If the ship were firing on high seas and already unstable due to the tidal motion, this would further unbalance the ship. (correct me if my calculations are wrong)

[chikpunwing3791]

your calculations are wrong due to the fact that you do not use muzzle velocity to calculate force, you use acceleration. If the ship were 10k tons, that means its mass is 9*10^10 Kg. F=ma so force is 9*10^10 Kg times 9.8 acceleration downwards. that equals 8.9*10^11 Ns. No gun will have enough backwards force to noticeably destabilize a ship, especially a 155mm gun.

[chikpunwing3791]

i did a wrong calculation here too. the mass should be 9*10^6. and the force would be 8.9*10^7. Still a gigantic weight.

[latexsanta]

Interesting. So they've adapted the Excalibur artillery shells I heard about in Future Weapons for naval use. Brutal O_o

[dairokutenmaoh]

suuuuuuuuure, but can these Zumwalts fire FORWARD?

[KlubMarcus]

Warhips try to avoid firing forward with their main guns. Watch footage of gunfire from all eras, they prefer to fire to the side. Ships tend to rock side to side less than they do front to back because the bow is pointed into the waves while the ship moves forward.

[PadawanOsswe]

firepower, is just as usefull in asymmetric warfare as it is in conventional. I just hope that this wont be a downgrade of naval artillery, seeing as how they are getting rid larger guns.

[airihi]

Ha - see video at 2:30 - in the future, soldiers will wear striped footy socks... sorry, good video all the same.

It's a shame though how expensive conventional war weapons have to be sold as useful in asymmetric war. Looking at this, it should say

"the NAGS hits a city street and a village an enemy convoy is driving through- MEANWHILE, the relatives of the innocent people killed vow revenge against the US"

[Invalok]

When you have something better than crappy video telling us all theses things... i'll be impressed.

[AdvGunSys]

This video was made in 2001, made public in 2002. The quality is proportional to the year.

It is not a rendered animation; it's an engineered model of the AGS design and capabilities visualized in real-time. This is not a game with simplified stuff emmulating reality for entertainment, this is real-life control and design simulated in real-time. Its not about the "crappy video", its about the capability of the system, and to envision and execute scenarios with it.

[AKGuerilla]

grafix suk ballz

[nra2bfree]

Wow! That's amazing! This will be a big help to our troops!