I'm 12 and I had to go to the airport (PuDong INTL) dragging 2 luggage boxes in rush hour... I managed to shove the people put of the way by pushing my luggage towards them XD
china has all kind of evil things, so many death camp, secret police, etc etc,,,,,,,china is most hell place in the world, ccp killed historical amount of people
In Latvia people first wait for those getting off to do it, only than goes in, even if the transport is crowded.Sometimes those standing inside gets off to let through those who disembark.
People in Shanghai are mostly uneducated with no awareness of civism. Spit all over the way, push you, cross in front of you, fart everywhere, never say sorry, thanks, etc. Not to talk about driving, every day I see accidents. When I walk in Shanghai I am always prepared to use "defensive techniques" to avoid other people crash into you, push you etc. One of the techniques that I particularly like is the "iron elbow". You point your elbow at the face of the guy who is going to crash you.... :)
lol look at minute 0:31 there is a guy in blue, wearing glasses, he is like oh at last I am here, excuse me, oops, sorry, I am getting off here, hey wait, no, shit, there I go again, ha.
When the door fully closed I expected a burly man to wrench them open throwing screaming women and children out of his way whilst screaming "BY THE POWER OF GREYSKULL!!"
Of course it wouldn't be as crowded. Pls consider the difference in population density between Asia and Western. Some areas in Asia have more than 100,000 residents in just 1 km sq.
Look up at some videos of the Moscow Metro in the peak hours. I can assure you that it's more crowded than Chinese systems. Not sure about Japanese ones though.
2 mins is not that little globally. Plus, are you sure this is headways?
Trains in Moscow and Paris come every 95 seconds in the peak hours, and by that I mean there is 95 seconds between every train. When you're waiting at the platform it will look as if there is something like 40 seconds between the trains...
That's exactly what's like in Hong Kong and Tokyo.
The moving block system of Seltrac S40 is in use in Hong Kong. It can achieve 1) a headway of 30 sec without affecting the speed AT ALL; or 2) a minimum headway of 50 metres with the next train required to stop before the station and then be able to proceed once the current train starts to depart.
Some railway lines in Hong Kong and Tokyo carry a much larger number of passengers per kilometres than Moscow's or Paris's do.
Plus, both places are more well off than Paris and Moscow. More money is spent on the system.
In Shanghai, it may not run a more frequent service than Hong Kong, Tokyo, Paris and Moscow. But as I said, you can still see trains coming every one min (headway). Shanghai Metro Line 1 carries over a million passengers daily.
I think you'll find that Moscow carries more passengers per km than Hong Kong's rapid transit. And even if it does have the technology to run shorter headways, it does not utilise it, and Paris and Moscow still have shorter headways.
How do you define "well off"? What significance does it have to the discussion? Surely if Tokyo and HK both have more money spent yet longer headways, then they are wasting money?
Also you are misunderstanding what headways actually are.
Oh and another point, there is no use comparing passenger carrying capacity of railway lines in Hong Kong and Tokyo as they have larger trains. Moscow Metro uses 160m trains on the busiest lines, so is maybe comparable to HKs MTR. And funnily enough HK MTR carries fewer passengers per km and has a lower frequency!
Daily traffic of the Moscow Metro's Zamoskvoretskaya (green) line is 1.8 million. With the Tagansko-Krasnopresnenskaya (purple) line being 2.2 million. I've already said that suburban lines in Tokyo are not comparable as they have significantly longer trains. HK MTR train lengths are comparable to Moscow Metro and the Moscow Metro has higher passenger traffic. I wonder why - because it is more frequent!
Unfortunately, you seem not getting the point. The green line and purple line are 36.9 and 35.9 km long respectively. This means they have passenger traffic of 48,780.5/km and 61,281.3/km.
For HK MTR Tsuen Wan Line, it is 68,750/km. For Tokyo Yamanote Line, it is 104,347/km. This makes Moscow passenger number looks small.
Japan's and Hong Kong still both have larger headways than Moscow and Paris. I've seen many videos where the trains wait in stations for up to a minute. You wouldn't see this in a service with very high frequency. Either the operators are not closing the doors quick enough, or passengers are going taking too long.
Definitely not in Hong Kong. There may be trains stuck at platform in Tokyo (those famous pusher videos) but they are usually limited suburban express services.
More precisely, some platforms in Hong Kong handles far more "interchange" passengers.
You may have a look at the metro map of Hong Kong. People often have to change between lines (worst case up to 3 times) to reach the CBD. That's why there are a few bottleneck interchange stations which hold train for a minute. The dwell time has been taken into account when timetabling.
This is not the case in Moscow where most lines lead to the CBD and much fewer people have to change between lines.
Most passengers will get off at one of the 5-6 stations in the CBD, and then interchange onto the other lines because the CBD is massive. Pushinskaya for example handles nearly 450,000 passengers everyday from transfers, compared to 45,000 from vestibules. it seems that Moscow Metro stations are better designed the stations have full legnth vestibules meaning that if there is a bottleneck it is away from the train and therefore does not cause long dwell times.
How can u assume Moscow Metro stations are better designed when you haven't even been to Hong Kong?? In Hong Kong, interchange process is as simple as walking to the opposite platform.
Because that moves the bottle neck of passengers to platform level. In Moscow the central halls are where the bottlenecks occur, but they are away from the platforms so it does not affect dwell time.
And I think u have misunderstood what I meant of bottleneck. The bottleneck i mean is that the train has to handle thousands of passengers getting on and off at one particular station and sometimes a train simply can't take all the passengers from transfer and some rushy people may try to board full train and thus block the door from closing.
Hey, you still haven't answered me that how can u manage a hundred people per door getting on and off in just 25 seconds??
Sorry for late reply. It's simple, I believe your 100 passengers getting off and on to be an exaggeration. I watched a vid of the Moscow metro during rush hours and around 30 got off and 20 got on, passengers moved quicker than the HK vid, or the Shanghai vid and the doors stayed open for 25 seconds. If, it is 100 passengers getting off and on in HK then why did it take 40 seconds even if passengers moved significantly slower than in Moscow, it would take far longer!
there is this thing shanghai locals do called 'switching' close to the door when your stop comes up, this is precisely for this kind of situation. He was prob either lost not a local, lol.
Well, i live in New York, the subway here is even worse. It's always packed, smells like dead cow, homeless people ever where and the trains are at least 20-30 years old. it is world's largest public bathroom if you know what i mean.Third world facility and service, but at a constant rising cost which caused by poor management.
haha wow. good for that guy. there was one guy that was trying to get off but couldn't. but thats not rediculous for that guy to push the girl out becuase the people getting in can always get the next subway but the people coming out have to go the next station and completely turn around. im goin to china this month... i know i will get to experience this
In Shanghai subway, you have to fight your way out, otherwise you will never get out of the train. Watch the warrior fought his way out at the last part of the video
I loled so hard i was thinking that the subway warior was the guy in blue.
Krac2A 2 months ago
and why is the exit the same as the entrance? O.o seriously? Is it so hard to make people enter on one side and exit on the other?
HikaruYamamoto 3 months ago
they should have build double skytrains one on top of other ! so many people..sucks to be in over populatied cities ..
Apvatar3000 5 months ago
the guy at 0:32 in blue, got pushed back in.
kitchenfromhell 6 months ago 3
@TheIndian321 you should see for yourself/ busses are not much better.
DIMATIF 8 months ago
I'm 12 and I had to go to the airport (PuDong INTL) dragging 2 luggage boxes in rush hour... I managed to shove the people put of the way by pushing my luggage towards them XD
DIMATIF 8 months ago
way to go over population !
buggie002 8 months ago
I just hate it when people don't form lines --> MRT
0mp0y 8 months ago
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china has all kind of evil things, so many death camp, secret police, etc etc,,,,,,,china is most hell place in the world, ccp killed historical amount of people
77777XYZ 8 months ago
In Latvia people first wait for those getting off to do it, only than goes in, even if the transport is crowded.Sometimes those standing inside gets off to let through those who disembark.
bencina04 9 months ago
I tried one time when I traveled there last yr. It was bad with all the pushing and yelling.
xanh01 9 months ago
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faastfoood 9 months ago
Hey thanks for the video, whats with the 7 dislikes ? jerks,
wingwaabuddha 10 months ago
Just like the Metro in New Delhi, India. People should behave better.
Why don't they take the next bus, when they say that the train is so full? I think the next train will surely come on 2 mins.
TheIndian321 10 months ago
Yo!! big fart on that train
manolofranco 11 months ago
Insane!!! soo many people! fire hazard right there
teddumass 11 months ago
hahahahha
Zew3e 1 year ago
People in Shanghai are mostly uneducated with no awareness of civism. Spit all over the way, push you, cross in front of you, fart everywhere, never say sorry, thanks, etc. Not to talk about driving, every day I see accidents. When I walk in Shanghai I am always prepared to use "defensive techniques" to avoid other people crash into you, push you etc. One of the techniques that I particularly like is the "iron elbow". You point your elbow at the face of the guy who is going to crash you.... :)
largoselehaceeldia 1 year ago
The train doors have sensors while the outer door dosent
DIMATIF 1 year ago
lol look at minute 0:31 there is a guy in blue, wearing glasses, he is like oh at last I am here, excuse me, oops, sorry, I am getting off here, hey wait, no, shit, there I go again, ha.
mikeborja1 1 year ago
What a bad manner!!
I am shocked. Whly people try to get on the train while there are still people trying to get out of the train..
sheepandgreen 1 year ago 2
china is overloaded
sperpard123 2 years ago
Search the video "METRO SAN LAZARO DF", it´s SHOCKING!.
uanamani 2 years ago
こりゃあ、ヒドイ！ｗｗ
dokusaisha777 2 years ago
ホームドアに挟まれるとどうなるの？
LIdaguo 2 years ago
When the door fully closed I expected a burly man to wrench them open throwing screaming women and children out of his way whilst screaming "BY THE POWER OF GREYSKULL!!"
But this? Disappointing.
The1stPoster 2 years ago 11
What if you cant get off?
Is pickpocketing and molest common?
phoonjzc 2 years ago
planet needs more people
BenetFleck 2 years ago
The way the passengers behave is stupid, hence why the doors remain open for so long, which delays the service...
Compare how passengers behave in the Moscow Metro which has the highest frequency in the world!
Edwiness 2 years ago
see vid here wTnpIUEXNfI
Edwiness 2 years ago
Of course it wouldn't be as crowded. Pls consider the difference in population density between Asia and Western. Some areas in Asia have more than 100,000 residents in just 1 km sq.
fcfhkmelb 2 years ago
Look up at some videos of the Moscow Metro in the peak hours. I can assure you that it's more crowded than Chinese systems. Not sure about Japanese ones though.
Edwiness 2 years ago
I don't think Moscow has the most frequent subway in the world. It must be one of the most frequent though.
From my experience in Shanghai last year, they have trains departing almost every 2 mins in rush hour. So it's just like Moscow.
fcfhkmelb 2 years ago
2 mins is not that little globally. Plus, are you sure this is headways?
Trains in Moscow and Paris come every 95 seconds in the peak hours, and by that I mean there is 95 seconds between every train. When you're waiting at the platform it will look as if there is something like 40 seconds between the trains...
Edwiness 2 years ago
That's exactly what's like in Hong Kong and Tokyo.
The moving block system of Seltrac S40 is in use in Hong Kong. It can achieve 1) a headway of 30 sec without affecting the speed AT ALL; or 2) a minimum headway of 50 metres with the next train required to stop before the station and then be able to proceed once the current train starts to depart.
fcfhkmelb 2 years ago
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fcfhkmelb 2 years ago
Some railway lines in Hong Kong and Tokyo carry a much larger number of passengers per kilometres than Moscow's or Paris's do.
Plus, both places are more well off than Paris and Moscow. More money is spent on the system.
In Shanghai, it may not run a more frequent service than Hong Kong, Tokyo, Paris and Moscow. But as I said, you can still see trains coming every one min (headway). Shanghai Metro Line 1 carries over a million passengers daily.
fcfhkmelb 2 years ago
I think you'll find that Moscow carries more passengers per km than Hong Kong's rapid transit. And even if it does have the technology to run shorter headways, it does not utilise it, and Paris and Moscow still have shorter headways.
How do you define "well off"? What significance does it have to the discussion? Surely if Tokyo and HK both have more money spent yet longer headways, then they are wasting money?
Also you are misunderstanding what headways actually are.
Edwiness 2 years ago
Oh and another point, there is no use comparing passenger carrying capacity of railway lines in Hong Kong and Tokyo as they have larger trains. Moscow Metro uses 160m trains on the busiest lines, so is maybe comparable to HKs MTR. And funnily enough HK MTR carries fewer passengers per km and has a lower frequency!
Edwiness 2 years ago
Tsuen Wan Line (16km) in Hong Kong:
1.1 million passengers daily
Yamanote Line (34.5km) in Tokyo:
3.6 million passengers daily
fcfhkmelb 2 years ago
Daily traffic of the Moscow Metro's Zamoskvoretskaya (green) line is 1.8 million. With the Tagansko-Krasnopresnenskaya (purple) line being 2.2 million. I've already said that suburban lines in Tokyo are not comparable as they have significantly longer trains. HK MTR train lengths are comparable to Moscow Metro and the Moscow Metro has higher passenger traffic. I wonder why - because it is more frequent!
Edwiness 2 years ago
Unfortunately, you seem not getting the point. The green line and purple line are 36.9 and 35.9 km long respectively. This means they have passenger traffic of 48,780.5/km and 61,281.3/km.
For HK MTR Tsuen Wan Line, it is 68,750/km. For Tokyo Yamanote Line, it is 104,347/km. This makes Moscow passenger number looks small.
fcfhkmelb 2 years ago
but I agree that ppl in Shanghai don't behave very well, as compared with Hong Kong and Japan.
fcfhkmelb 2 years ago
Japan's and Hong Kong still both have larger headways than Moscow and Paris. I've seen many videos where the trains wait in stations for up to a minute. You wouldn't see this in a service with very high frequency. Either the operators are not closing the doors quick enough, or passengers are going taking too long.
Edwiness 2 years ago
Definitely not in Hong Kong. There may be trains stuck at platform in Tokyo (those famous pusher videos) but they are usually limited suburban express services.
fcfhkmelb 2 years ago
Explain this video then:
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The doors remain open for 40sec or more... At rush hour they should aim for 25sec at most.
Edwiness 2 years ago
It's totally impossible to complete loading at that station. That is one of the main interchange station in Hongh Kong.
After that train departed, there will be another train arriving in 30 seconds.
fcfhkmelb 2 years ago
I mean It's totally impossible to complete loading in 25 seconds at that station
fcfhkmelb 2 years ago
They seem to manage it in the busiest Moscow/Paris Metro stations...
Edwiness 2 years ago
How can u manage a hundred people per door getting on and off in 25 seconds?? That's not PHYSICALLY possible.
I would think a single platform in Hong Kong handles more passengers than Moscow/Paris's do.
fcfhkmelb 2 years ago
More precisely, some platforms in Hong Kong handles far more "interchange" passengers.
You may have a look at the metro map of Hong Kong. People often have to change between lines (worst case up to 3 times) to reach the CBD. That's why there are a few bottleneck interchange stations which hold train for a minute. The dwell time has been taken into account when timetabling.
This is not the case in Moscow where most lines lead to the CBD and much fewer people have to change between lines.
fcfhkmelb 2 years ago
Most passengers will get off at one of the 5-6 stations in the CBD, and then interchange onto the other lines because the CBD is massive. Pushinskaya for example handles nearly 450,000 passengers everyday from transfers, compared to 45,000 from vestibules. it seems that Moscow Metro stations are better designed the stations have full legnth vestibules meaning that if there is a bottleneck it is away from the train and therefore does not cause long dwell times.
Edwiness 2 years ago
How can u assume Moscow Metro stations are better designed when you haven't even been to Hong Kong?? In Hong Kong, interchange process is as simple as walking to the opposite platform.
fcfhkmelb 2 years ago
Because that moves the bottle neck of passengers to platform level. In Moscow the central halls are where the bottlenecks occur, but they are away from the platforms so it does not affect dwell time.
Edwiness 2 years ago
And I think u have misunderstood what I meant of bottleneck. The bottleneck i mean is that the train has to handle thousands of passengers getting on and off at one particular station and sometimes a train simply can't take all the passengers from transfer and some rushy people may try to board full train and thus block the door from closing.
Hey, you still haven't answered me that how can u manage a hundred people per door getting on and off in just 25 seconds??
fcfhkmelb 2 years ago
Sorry for late reply. It's simple, I believe your 100 passengers getting off and on to be an exaggeration. I watched a vid of the Moscow metro during rush hours and around 30 got off and 20 got on, passengers moved quicker than the HK vid, or the Shanghai vid and the doors stayed open for 25 seconds. If, it is 100 passengers getting off and on in HK then why did it take 40 seconds even if passengers moved significantly slower than in Moscow, it would take far longer!
Edwiness 2 years ago
a lost man
OrsinoDuke 2 years ago
noo in shanghai more...
Fsxitbom 2 years ago
there is this thing shanghai locals do called 'switching' close to the door when your stop comes up, this is precisely for this kind of situation. He was prob either lost not a local, lol.
pal2011 3 years ago
Well, i live in New York, the subway here is even worse. It's always packed, smells like dead cow, homeless people ever where and the trains are at least 20-30 years old. it is world's largest public bathroom if you know what i mean.Third world facility and service, but at a constant rising cost which caused by poor management.
shengart 3 years ago
the face of the girl xDDDDDD
she was SO INCREDIBLY MAD at him xDDD
Azraela 3 years ago
omfg......
ACIDTOTAL 3 years ago
it's worse than beijing
cooldsac 3 years ago 4
haha wow. good for that guy. there was one guy that was trying to get off but couldn't. but thats not rediculous for that guy to push the girl out becuase the people getting in can always get the next subway but the people coming out have to go the next station and completely turn around. im goin to china this month... i know i will get to experience this
hplax09 3 years ago
OMG!
ditisnietok 3 years ago
只能说我们的人民的素质太参差不齐，不是每个人都受过很好的教育，这方面也是在慢慢进步的
elvisyoung444 3 years ago 2
我也有一次没有能够下车耽误了时间，也不能都都怪罪于人多，东京人更多，这方面我们还要向日本学习
elvisyoung444 3 years ago
what the fuck thats ridic
JuiicyCouture 3 years ago
In Shanghai subway, you have to fight your way out, otherwise you will never get out of the train. Watch the warrior fought his way out at the last part of the video
LIdaguo 4 years ago 3
because the interval is too short, the subway operator should be responsible for it.
chameleonck 4 years ago