@SL4VE0WNER1904619 yeah dude. candice was fired for gaining weight, maria was released, torrie has back problems, victoria is REALLY hot on TNA now under the name Tara and mickie is on TNA now too. mind fucked right?
@lovewwetrishstratus1 no you're really late. first of all mickie's fat storyline was years after candice got released and yes if you look it up, they released candice because after her injury she began to put on lots of weight so wwe let her go, bc she wasnt stick thin nymore. when candice first stated that she was pregnant, it was wayyyy after she got released. so you need to calm down, research a little more thoroughly, and have a nice day.
I want to fuck TRISH ass, cum all over her white fresh pussy, and i want to stick my cock up her mouth. She has a really sexy body, hot ass and beautiful face.
I want to cum hardcore all over her pretty face. =)
I miss Trish so much.. Her n Lita wer the best of the best,,, I wanted to see them at wrestlemania, but they wernt ther :( .. Love You Trish and thanks for makin women look powerful as hell! :D XxX
Trish deserves all the love and respect she gets and more.
Every diva that comes into WWE should take Trish & Lita as inspirations to be a great wrestler. Too many divas now are following Stacy and Torrie who did jack shit for the wrestling business.
I will take that as a "no" to my question. Who cares? Only real wrestling fans so that leaves you and many (but not all) Trish fans out. Don't kid yourself,or try to kid any one else, Stratus would be scared to get into a ring with someone like Bull Nakano.
Second, as far as you are concerned I leave you with this: if ignorance is bliss, you must be fully STRATUSFIED!
You do understand I was talking about these women in their prime which I guess TS is in to make a fair comparison, right? You know, perhaps in the age these Japanese women came from the training was long and very intense. Even though Nakano was about 230 in her prime she wrestled many brutal matches over 20 minutes; most of which she won; Bull is the greatest women's professional ever to hold the WWE title; that is my opinion and the opinion of many. Nakano is a legend; Stratus is a myth
Trish Stratus, unlike many of the females on the list you gave, doesn't mess around with drugs. She is extremely fit and sticks to her routines very closely. I doubt that if all of these women ran a marathon that anyone of them could keep up with Trish Stratus. It doesn't matter how hard you hit or how "crazy" your move set is. All that matters to most of the wrestlers is their fans.
thecannongljolie u seem like a nice person and i agree with u and if trish did stay in wwe she wont have been like a 100 women champion but she retiered
Man, wrestling "smarts" are pathetic. You do realise that your beloved sport is fake right? Trish might not be able to perform as many moves as some of the people you mentioned, but she was and still is the most complete female performer they have ever had: beautiful face, great body, athletic, charismatic, good mic skills, and yes, her matches were very entertaining once she got some experience. If wrestling was real, Kurt Angle would have held the WWE title his entire career with the company!
Yes, dweeb, I know the sport is usually a "work" and have since before Don Vinnie went public with that to save money on state athletic commission fees; but there are workers and then there are those who can't work too well--Trish was put over with a mega push from McMahon to the detriment of Lita, Mollyl Holly, and Jazz--who "worked" a lot better than her; of course, being entertaining to us smarts also is what you can and cannot due in the ring; Trish cannot compete with Nakano and the Joshi.
Fake> cOZ They Have Characters? Face & Heel? Is That Why Its Fake, You Get In The Ring And Work Ur Ass For Traveling Non-Stop And Getiing Hurt, In They Ring U Dont Just Expect To Fall And Not Feel Anything. Jesus Its Entertainment Of The Toughest Kind And Just Smart Combat.
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Fake as in the competition aspect of it. They really do get hurt, I'm not saying that. But arguining who is the "best" wrestler is pointless, because it's not a real sport. Trish got put over the other women because she was more popular, plain and simple. Wrestling IS a popularity contest, and the Molly Holly's and Victoria's of the world just didn't get people to care. The only other woman that was "over" was Lita, and you might have noticed that their rivalry was pretty even until the end.
All I Am Saying Is Its A Tough Job. I Love All The Womens Wrestler Who Actually Can Wrestle And Dont Just Get Bought Coz They Look Pretty. And I Think That I Like Lita, Victoria, Molly Holly And Trish Equally. I Though I Wud Comment On Nice Stuff About Trish As It Is About Her. I Dont Have A "Best" Wrestler Eather Coz They All Do A Fabulous Job Entetaining. XD
Your right. I was just defending Trish from the noobs that slam her because she wasn't technically the best wrestler. She got the biggest push because she was the perfect comination of beauty, athleticism and charisma. And with all due respect to the other women she worked with(I liked them too), any match not involving her or Lita was usually a piss break for your average fan. Trish is still having alot of success now, which means that Vince McMahon wasn't the only one that saw her star power.
Well, it is true that you are entitled to your opinion; I thought while wrestling is entertainment it is the wrestling that is entertainment. I do not know TS is in better shape than many of these women which leads me to believe you are not familiar with their matches; besides the fact the all of the women I named would kick her ass you cannot really believe she is in better shape than Madusa, Wendi and especially Jaguar and Manami Toyota who would run her ragged.
Being in better shape doesn't mean you are "bigger" than someone. The condition/health of Trish Stratus is in far better shape than many of the workers you named.
Shut the hell up OMGitTangy all do is say talk crap about Trish. Trish is not a hoe she has been with same guy from highshool and got married when she retired. If u do not like Trish then do not watch her videos. Go screw yourself Tangy.
she is definetly not a hoe, i watched some of her interviews and she even said that the things that Vince and the company tried to get her to do were very uncomfortable, like with all the sex stuff and other things relating to that, so she said she rejected them at times. so probably half the time she didnt enjoy doing those parts. she probably just wanted to do her job and wrestle. but yea youre right.
I Love Trish!! I miss her soooooo much!! I wish she would come back! Lita 2. I love them both soo much. Thats why their two of the best women to ever step foot in a WWE Ring
no i think trish and lita are the same u cant really say whos better init i mean trish was good at wrestling and lita was more high flying they both did there part
I guess you have never heard of or seen Wendi Richter, Sherri Martel, Madusa, Reggie Bennett, Debbie Malenko, not to mention Jaguar Yokota, Chigusa Nagayo, Akira Hokuto, Kyoko Inoue, Manami Toyota or former WWE Women's Champion, Bull Nakano. Each of these women would kick TS ass back to Canada! Check out YouTube videos of any of these women so you don't come across like an idiot.
I have heard of every single woman you named. I am aware of SEVERAL of all of their matches. Wrestling is a form of ENTERTAINMENT! Trish Stratus is far more entertaining than anyone you named. That is MY opinion. You cannot say MY OPINION is wrong because it is MY OPINION! Check out any of these wrestlers and you would KNOW that Trish Stratus is in FAR better shape (with exception to the fact that many of them are much older).
The Cannon: I reviewed your statement and my initial answers: when you said wrestler I took that to mean in ring ability; skill set; as well as strength and ruggedness--now you define that term to mean "entertainment"; well if you find Trish the most entertaining so be it but wrestling wise she does not even rate; or do you think Trish's skills and power match those of the women I listed?
When I think of Trish Stratus being the greatest Woman's Champion it is being I believe she has the entire package. She has some great moves, she is in exquisite shape, she has an incredible fan following, and she has done a lot for the woman's division that most other women couldn't have dreamed of doing. I don't think we should be arguing about this because it is both of our OPINIONS. Many people would agree with you and many would agree with me. That's it.
Since the days of Wendi Richter and Sherri Martel the WWE has come a long way. There are many moves being used that weren't even imagined back then. And also, the other way around. There are many moves from the past that we haven't seen in the last few years. MY OPINION is that Trish Stratus is the most ENTERTAINING female wrestler of all time.
somebody ask why did trish leave( i knoe i miss her too) it because she was dating a guy they date for a very long time so trish decided they didn't really have time so she decided to retired to get maried you can see her wedding on youtube just go to trish stratus wedding
BEST WOMAN WRESTLING!!!! (shes no diva/barbie!)
Shes thinking about facing Kharma when Kharma comes back!
EPIC MATCH!!!
Jsmith129613 3 months ago
i miss her.. ç.ç
90stratusfaction 9 months ago
shesss back....
smittycal 11 months ago
@smittycal for good?
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man I loved Trish she was my favorite diva ever nobody now is better
Damn3691 1 year ago
man I loved Trish she was my favorite diva ever nobdoy now is better
Damn3691 1 year ago
TRISH STRATUS IS THE BEST DIVA EVER.
Please come back: Trish Stratus, Ashley Massaro, Mickie James, Christy Hemme, Lita, Candice Michelle, Torrie Wilson, Stacy,Victoria, Maria,Cherry..
ilovetrishstratus1 1 year ago 3
@ilovetrishstratus1 wtf i stopped watching wrestling but candice michelle maria torrie victoria and micky quit???
SL4VE0WNER1904619 1 year ago
@SL4VE0WNER1904619 yes :(
ilovetrishstratus1 1 year ago
@SL4VE0WNER1904619 yeah dude. candice was fired for gaining weight, maria was released, torrie has back problems, victoria is REALLY hot on TNA now under the name Tara and mickie is on TNA now too. mind fucked right?
gookatana 1 year ago
@gookatana CANDICE WAS PREGNANT...THEY SAID MICKIE WAS FAT ! MY GOD PEOPLE GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT
lovewwetrishstratus1 7 months ago
@lovewwetrishstratus1 no you're really late. first of all mickie's fat storyline was years after candice got released and yes if you look it up, they released candice because after her injury she began to put on lots of weight so wwe let her go, bc she wasnt stick thin nymore. when candice first stated that she was pregnant, it was wayyyy after she got released. so you need to calm down, research a little more thoroughly, and have a nice day.
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1995DLB 1 year ago
Why is she so Damn Awesome!
i really really wish her and Lita and Mickie would come back :(
swirlgirl1 1 year ago 5
Homie over Ho's... Homie over Ho's
Do the homie... do the homie
MrRiley909 1 year ago
Trish Before Was Dancing Ballet And a Fitness Model :D
iDeniseTV 2 years ago
the only 2 women that could actually wrestle now are beth phoenix and maryse wwe sucks now
DBZsmackdown 2 years ago
ever since eddie died it has really sucked thats y i watch tna
nottinghampanthers01 2 years ago 3
maryse sucks!!! mickie can wrestle
mythumpa 1 year ago
@DBZsmackdown maryse cant westle
marquese100 1 year ago 3
she just broke my heart
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I want to fuck TRISH ass, cum all over her white fresh pussy, and i want to stick my cock up her mouth. She has a really sexy body, hot ass and beautiful face.
I want to cum hardcore all over her pretty face. =)
DayofGrace125 2 years ago
best diva ever
Deidaaraartisabang 2 years ago 53
right
2010rawVSsmackdown 2 years ago
i really miss trish..she was really a good wrestler..raw just really isnt that good without her
jerichoholic246817 2 years ago 13
I really miss her! =(
Go Trish!
wweluvr144 2 years ago 5
I miss Trish so much.. Her n Lita wer the best of the best,,, I wanted to see them at wrestlemania, but they wernt ther :( .. Love You Trish and thanks for makin women look powerful as hell! :D XxX
BritishAngel08 2 years ago
Trish deserves all the love and respect she gets and more.
Every diva that comes into WWE should take Trish & Lita as inspirations to be a great wrestler. Too many divas now are following Stacy and Torrie who did jack shit for the wrestling business.
WWEHorror 3 years ago 15
SHe is my fav. Im her nummber #1 fan! Im obssed with her! Love the outfits she weres
sugadoll234 3 years ago 3
i miss trish stratus.shes the best womens champion i've ever liked.
electricgreen12 3 years ago 8
Trish is hot and beautiful!
Elainadude5 3 years ago 12
trish is so beautiful.
pk656073 3 years ago 11
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I will take that as a "no" to my question. Who cares? Only real wrestling fans so that leaves you and many (but not all) Trish fans out. Don't kid yourself,or try to kid any one else, Stratus would be scared to get into a ring with someone like Bull Nakano.
Second, as far as you are concerned I leave you with this: if ignorance is bliss, you must be fully STRATUSFIED!
RPenta 3 years ago
You do understand I was talking about these women in their prime which I guess TS is in to make a fair comparison, right? You know, perhaps in the age these Japanese women came from the training was long and very intense. Even though Nakano was about 230 in her prime she wrestled many brutal matches over 20 minutes; most of which she won; Bull is the greatest women's professional ever to hold the WWE title; that is my opinion and the opinion of many. Nakano is a legend; Stratus is a myth
RPenta 3 years ago
Trish Stratus, unlike many of the females on the list you gave, doesn't mess around with drugs. She is extremely fit and sticks to her routines very closely. I doubt that if all of these women ran a marathon that anyone of them could keep up with Trish Stratus. It doesn't matter how hard you hit or how "crazy" your move set is. All that matters to most of the wrestlers is their fans.
TheCannonGIJolie 3 years ago
thecannongljolie u seem like a nice person and i agree with u and if trish did stay in wwe she wont have been like a 100 women champion but she retiered
isabell123123 3 years ago
Man, wrestling "smarts" are pathetic. You do realise that your beloved sport is fake right? Trish might not be able to perform as many moves as some of the people you mentioned, but she was and still is the most complete female performer they have ever had: beautiful face, great body, athletic, charismatic, good mic skills, and yes, her matches were very entertaining once she got some experience. If wrestling was real, Kurt Angle would have held the WWE title his entire career with the company!
artofwar43 2 years ago
Yes, dweeb, I know the sport is usually a "work" and have since before Don Vinnie went public with that to save money on state athletic commission fees; but there are workers and then there are those who can't work too well--Trish was put over with a mega push from McMahon to the detriment of Lita, Mollyl Holly, and Jazz--who "worked" a lot better than her; of course, being entertaining to us smarts also is what you can and cannot due in the ring; Trish cannot compete with Nakano and the Joshi.
RPenta 2 years ago
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Fake> cOZ They Have Characters? Face & Heel? Is That Why Its Fake, You Get In The Ring And Work Ur Ass For Traveling Non-Stop And Getiing Hurt, In They Ring U Dont Just Expect To Fall And Not Feel Anything. Jesus Its Entertainment Of The Toughest Kind And Just Smart Combat.
XzozoX123 2 years ago
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Fake as in the competition aspect of it. They really do get hurt, I'm not saying that. But arguining who is the "best" wrestler is pointless, because it's not a real sport. Trish got put over the other women because she was more popular, plain and simple. Wrestling IS a popularity contest, and the Molly Holly's and Victoria's of the world just didn't get people to care. The only other woman that was "over" was Lita, and you might have noticed that their rivalry was pretty even until the end.
artofwar43 2 years ago
All I Am Saying Is Its A Tough Job. I Love All The Womens Wrestler Who Actually Can Wrestle And Dont Just Get Bought Coz They Look Pretty. And I Think That I Like Lita, Victoria, Molly Holly And Trish Equally. I Though I Wud Comment On Nice Stuff About Trish As It Is About Her. I Dont Have A "Best" Wrestler Eather Coz They All Do A Fabulous Job Entetaining. XD
XzozoX123 2 years ago 5
Your right. I was just defending Trish from the noobs that slam her because she wasn't technically the best wrestler. She got the biggest push because she was the perfect comination of beauty, athleticism and charisma. And with all due respect to the other women she worked with(I liked them too), any match not involving her or Lita was usually a piss break for your average fan. Trish is still having alot of success now, which means that Vince McMahon wasn't the only one that saw her star power.
artofwar43 2 years ago 9
Well, it is true that you are entitled to your opinion; I thought while wrestling is entertainment it is the wrestling that is entertainment. I do not know TS is in better shape than many of these women which leads me to believe you are not familiar with their matches; besides the fact the all of the women I named would kick her ass you cannot really believe she is in better shape than Madusa, Wendi and especially Jaguar and Manami Toyota who would run her ragged.
RPenta 3 years ago
Being in better shape doesn't mean you are "bigger" than someone. The condition/health of Trish Stratus is in far better shape than many of the workers you named.
TheCannonGIJolie 3 years ago
I love her voice <3
SlaterSin 3 years ago
i love her Boobs nahh just kidding i better like her laugh XP
chevangil 3 years ago
im from toronto u need to know where to go hollerr
Matt0496 3 years ago
why did she retire?
05MustangAngel 3 years ago
well because i had a bad injury
therealtrish6666 3 years ago
because she wanted to get married and she wanted kids
john321m 3 years ago
Trish is my everything..i love her so much..
she is my inspiration. i'll NEVER give up on you.
you will always be in my heart FOREVER.
in 2 years I am planing to go to toronto, vaughan to find her and tell her how i feel.
i've already got her number..and it is hers cause i rang it!!
jadea599 3 years ago 3
omg!!!i can't belive it
trish slim
ThaiSupermodel 3 years ago
Shut the hell up OMGitTangy all do is say talk crap about Trish. Trish is not a hoe she has been with same guy from highshool and got married when she retired. If u do not like Trish then do not watch her videos. Go screw yourself Tangy.
TrishStratusFan4Ever 3 years ago 10
YEAH!....
beckoleco 3 years ago
she is definetly not a hoe, i watched some of her interviews and she even said that the things that Vince and the company tried to get her to do were very uncomfortable, like with all the sex stuff and other things relating to that, so she said she rejected them at times. so probably half the time she didnt enjoy doing those parts. she probably just wanted to do her job and wrestle. but yea youre right.
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BYE HOOOOOEEEEEEEEEEEEE
OMGitsTangy 3 years ago
BITCH yo mama a HOEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE i hope u and yo mama burn in hell..........
QuincyHiggins93 3 years ago
fuck u, u have great respect to people let me tell u. seriously ur the only hoe here
john321m 3 years ago
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FUCK YOU ASSHOLE!!
kiyiku1234 3 years ago
is that all u can say is fuck u asshole? wow
john321m 3 years ago
I Love Trish!! I miss her soooooo much!! I wish she would come back! Lita 2. I love them both soo much. Thats why their two of the best women to ever step foot in a WWE Ring
CoolieGyal95 3 years ago 10
good god she's so damn hot
bizmixer 3 years ago 2
ur mom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BITCH!!
stronglove14 3 years ago 4
TRISH LOOKS UGLY IN THIS VIEDIO
imyasmin 3 years ago
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Trish is good just not as good as Lita!!
culammcloc 3 years ago
RIGHT! Lita is the bestest ever! I luv Lita so much!
jeffnerohardy911 3 years ago
she's hott
element021993 3 years ago 4
trish
come back please
you are my favorite
also chyna and lita should return
PunkeritzaEmo 3 years ago 18
trish is the hottest thing under the sun
PrincessRoxieSindy 3 years ago 17
omg trish aint a slut hu eva sed tht ur 1 ll nd trish is beta then lita
boma7452 3 years ago 20
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huh?
whatupya224 3 years ago
no i think trish and lita are the same u cant really say whos better init i mean trish was good at wrestling and lita was more high flying they both did there part
LitaFan4Lyf 3 years ago 8
ya thats true cause like lita would win a match then trish would win then lita,trish,lita,trish and so on very equal
john321m 3 years ago
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i m so happy this slut is gone....
vin2008y2jholic 3 years ago
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sorry lita is better i luv trish but lita is the whole package beautiful and can kick sum ass as well as the men
edgehead120 3 years ago
She made history...
HeelStratusfaction 3 years ago 13
Trish Stratus is the greatest women's wrestler of all time.
TheCannonGIJolie 3 years ago 20
She along with Lita,moolah,And now mickie james
redred11212 3 years ago 3
I guess you have never heard of or seen Wendi Richter, Sherri Martel, Madusa, Reggie Bennett, Debbie Malenko, not to mention Jaguar Yokota, Chigusa Nagayo, Akira Hokuto, Kyoko Inoue, Manami Toyota or former WWE Women's Champion, Bull Nakano. Each of these women would kick TS ass back to Canada! Check out YouTube videos of any of these women so you don't come across like an idiot.
PS: You have heard of Chyna, right?
RPenta 3 years ago
I have heard of every single woman you named. I am aware of SEVERAL of all of their matches. Wrestling is a form of ENTERTAINMENT! Trish Stratus is far more entertaining than anyone you named. That is MY opinion. You cannot say MY OPINION is wrong because it is MY OPINION! Check out any of these wrestlers and you would KNOW that Trish Stratus is in FAR better shape (with exception to the fact that many of them are much older).
TheCannonGIJolie 3 years ago
The Cannon: I reviewed your statement and my initial answers: when you said wrestler I took that to mean in ring ability; skill set; as well as strength and ruggedness--now you define that term to mean "entertainment"; well if you find Trish the most entertaining so be it but wrestling wise she does not even rate; or do you think Trish's skills and power match those of the women I listed?
RPenta 3 years ago
When I think of Trish Stratus being the greatest Woman's Champion it is being I believe she has the entire package. She has some great moves, she is in exquisite shape, she has an incredible fan following, and she has done a lot for the woman's division that most other women couldn't have dreamed of doing. I don't think we should be arguing about this because it is both of our OPINIONS. Many people would agree with you and many would agree with me. That's it.
TheCannonGIJolie 3 years ago 6
Since the days of Wendi Richter and Sherri Martel the WWE has come a long way. There are many moves being used that weren't even imagined back then. And also, the other way around. There are many moves from the past that we haven't seen in the last few years. MY OPINION is that Trish Stratus is the most ENTERTAINING female wrestler of all time.
TheCannonGIJolie 3 years ago
who care trish is fukin awesome and she would kick the crap out of any of the women uve just mentioned!
chazalfc4life 3 years ago 6
You have no fukin clue who those women are or what they did in the ring or you would not make such a dumb statement.
RPenta 2 years ago
Exactly, Put It There, You Tell Em.! XD
XzozoX123 2 years ago
yeah ur right...hbk fans and flair fans hav u ever herd of "Sensational Sherri"
shes the 1 that used to sing hbks theam song.she died like 2 years ago
jerichoholic246817 2 years ago
Lita and Trish are both great. They should both come back.
liesandkisses 3 years ago 9
trish please come back wwe needs u
wwesuperfan10 3 years ago 10
i agrre with u trish come back we need to be stratusfied
sasusaku187 3 years ago 16
i love trish she,s proper sexy please come back
jrbrooks52 3 years ago 5
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no..dnt come back..........lita come back!!
HeArtLesSAnGeL088 4 years ago
both of them should come back
SKGthatzme 4 years ago 12
trish is better than lita
wwesuperfan10 3 years ago 7
ehhh ya but i think there equal
john321m 3 years ago
We miss you Trish! Plz come back!
cjericho83 4 years ago 12
miss you piz come back
kong6665 4 years ago 10
We miss you Trish! Plz come back!
kristyluvshsm2 4 years ago 16
нαρρу ηєω уєαя
nazzymissyr 4 years ago
Happy Birthday Trish Stratus!!!!!
JiselleEntertainment 4 years ago 7
COME BACK PLEASE!!!!!! I LOVE U !!!!!!
Confessions62606 4 years ago 8
"no,no it's just another night!"
love trish and i miss her SOO MUCH!
adt2292 4 years ago 6
somebody ask why did trish leave( i knoe i miss her too) it because she was dating a guy they date for a very long time so trish decided they didn't really have time so she decided to retired to get maried you can see her wedding on youtube just go to trish stratus wedding
vajsta09 4 years ago 6
you're the best trish stratus
devagrup 4 years ago 10
we love u trish
michiko2 4 years ago 9
yap does anyohe now y she leaved ?
can u comment on my channel
ashley and trish are the best wrestler
anafloribella 4 years ago
one ashley is terrible, and 2 trish left cause she got married and wanted out of wrestling.
DegenerationX07 4 years ago 4
trish is such a great diva and a great champion
StratusMysterioCena 4 years ago 6
trish don't gooooo
SHAW05 4 years ago 10
I miss trish
stratisfaction2007 4 years ago 4