@232323C but Anonymous kicks fucking ass and Scientology incorporates the most idiot and ignorant dumfucks of the world. Thats why Anonymous is much more dangerous to fucked up organizations.
. Christman came home with her credit cards maxed-out and her tail between her legs. Her husband once again paid off all her bills but, after months of rejections, finally moved on.
how interesting. You just copied and pasted that from Scientology's religious freedom watch. Is this what you observed personally, or just what that website says?
I'm trying, but you reply so often and in numerous comments. Not that that is a bad thing. You have a lot to say, nothing wrong with that. Please have patience with me.
Extremist Patricia Greenway, meeting Christman for the first time, had this to say about her, Theres something innately dishonest there but its combined with a nutty quality AND shes somewhat man hungry
She was abit nuts but I like folks like that. She was socially fun but that doesnt really tell you what the person is really like does it? What do you know about her that makes her so special to you.
Why hasnt anonymous and their leader Mark Bunker taken Scn to court with all their "proof"? What is the holdup? Its because you cant prove one thing you claim. You are about religious bigotry only but we showed you we were too much for you. We wont stop now until your hatred for religion is gone. You dont like Scn? Tough. There is nothing you can do about it.
Also, I don't hate your religion. I have no right to protest the spiritual belief of any soul on this earth. I do protest the conduct of the Church that takes advantage of it's followers by forcing them to disconnect from family that disapproves of the church, censoring what they're allowed to look at on the internet, their fair game policy and their disciplinary methods. I will never support any church that holds such a tight leash on its followers.
Smart folks go and see for themselves. The blind read it on xenutv or on wiki. Go listen to a lecture and ask your questions. Not even Bunker will do that. Read a book from beginning to end and then tell me what you dont like about it. Want me to tell you why I hate your mom? How can I? I dont know her! Thats how much you know about Scn. lol. Wake up honey.
I could go on but why? These things dont bother you. You & Bunker are part of it in your own ways. Bunker encourages anon to do what they do thru his videos while pretending to be concerned about the nature of anons actions. And you support him.
you know, not so long ago someone on twitter requested to follow me. It was Mark Bunker himself. I was so excited, but then I saw his page and his tweets. They were spouting hate against islam. A few weeks later Tory Magoo requested to follow me too, also spouting hate against Islam. Guess what? It really wasn't Tory Magoo or Mark Bunker, but a member of Co$ trying to make those who protest scientology look like people who encourage hate. Co$ does whatever it takes to make them look bad
This is what L Ron Hubbard called Fair Game. Look up the name Paulette Cooper or operation freak out, and you'll see it at its best. There were plans to make her look like a terrorist, all because she wrote a book that showed Scientology in a bad light.
Hey Dragon I have been in Scn since 1970. Google "Scientology Myths" and see the actual documents on those stories you are trying to spread. And the idea that you think promoted suicide & murder are funny just proves your are anonymous which makes you garbage. Simple really.
And the odds of you knowing anything about Scn is zilch. You knbow what Mark tells you to know. You are a "Stepford" anon. A puppet. Ask Tory about the $ she stole from her Ex. Yea she is a classy lady for sure. And you can keep them both. lol
um, I'm not a blind follower of anything. Do you know how I found out about Scientology? I was curious about the religion so I looked it up on Wikipedia. Then I read various articles by different people about, and stumbled on a Mark Bunker video while youtubing Scientology. I've watched countless interviews of Scientology members, ex scientology members and Scientology protestors. I looked into both sides before making up my mind. I never blindly follow anything.
ROFLMMFAO!!! You found out about it by Wiki? This will seem strange to you, but why didnt you just read one of the books yourself? Cant read? Didnt want the truth. Good Luck with ol Bunky. And just for fun since kissing his ass is your #1 hobby. Ask him to show you proof of any of his claims. Thats when it gets fun!!! Take care!!! lmao
Is Wiki the only thing that registered with you? I did mention reading articles and watching interviews of members of both sides. I also recently checked out a copy of dianetics. Trust me, I've done research. Wiki was just the opening.
You didnt tell me how you took a class there. You didnt tell me what book you read. What else would matter? reports? Give me a break. You read Dianetics? Prove it. Tell me something about what you read.
So I need to pay thousands of dollars before I can say anything bad about scientology? So what about all the ex scientologists who did invest a lot of money in classes, but now talk about how bad Scientology was for them. Or are they all conveniently liars? There's quite a few of them that came out with books recently about their experiences.
I was raised in the Church of Christ for 22 years. I liked it. I almost went to Bible College as I really enjoy the Bible. No, I actually have no intentions of degrading your beliefs. Christianity was a great stepping stone in my life and there are many Christians that take Scn classes. They are cool.
also, you did only ask me to name one. That doesn't erase the fact that there are known ex scientogists that have something bad to say about the church.
I can tell you alot of names of folks who left the Christian church. Does that prove Christianity is false or a lie? Does it make God's word a lie because so amy say it is? And would YOU leave it if I told you I thought it was criminal or evil?
Which Christian church? There are lots of different sections in Christianity. Some sections are even cult like. No I would never go to that kind of church. I already told you, I don't judge you for your beliefs in scientology. You believe the tech works, I believe it works for you. Thats not what I'm oppossed too. As for me, I rarely attend church at all. I believe strongly in Jesus, but I worship him privately.
if a family member entered a cult like church, I would do everything I could to get them out, but I would hope they still clung to their beliefs after wards. There is actually a section of Scientology that broke away to continue their practice away from the church because they didn't agree with it'd conduct. I'm happy for that section, they got their freedom.
Interesting that even though nobody on earth can prove the existence of God, you still put all your beliefs in it. Then you call us weird. What are Jesus's 2 commandments?
Did you not read the part where I said I didn't question your beliefs? I will never question your beliefs or your faith in your religion. I will never ask you about Xenu because I know it offends Scientologists to be asked about it and I never called you weird for your beliefs. My opposition is strictly against the church. Christianity itself has had many churches that took advantage of its members. I'm opposed to them too. Its not your beliefs I question.
The victims? What victims? And if you want to believe in xenu thats ok with me. I dont choose to but it seems a big hangup with anons. I have been in Scn for 40 years. I was in the Sea Org for over 10 years. My son was raised in the SO and I went to my Family reunion every year at Xmas. Why wasnt I abused? Why werent my friends? Why did I never read about Fair Game? Where did you get these horrible ideas from?
You wont hear anything I say, will you? Maybe you never hear of the victims because they don't want you to believe. Go on to religiousfreedomwatch, I believe that's a Co$ website. It has a list of anti scientologists. Some of them are former members. After you get their names, look them up and read their side of the story. If thats not enough for you, just type in scientology in the youtube search. Watch some of the videos of people talking about why they are against it.
Actually Dragon it is you that is not listening. I know these anit- scn and i have seen something funny in their statements. None of them are against Scn. Isnt that wild? How do you explain that Rathbun, Headley, DeVoch, etc all still like Scn. They just dont like DM though they all admitted to trying to harm him. Was Judas a victim. Or did he do something to cause him to turn against Christ. Nobody gets bullied in Scn. That was made up by Bunker and fed to the gullable like yourself.
They still like it? Like the religion or like the church. Headley is the one who just came out with a book about the church. Rathbun has also made claims against David Miscaviage for beating his staff. Yeah they don't like David Miscavige. He's the head of the church and he beats his staff. Find someone to run your church without so much violence, it might not get so much crap.
Have you ever seen proof of DM beating his staff? Where did you get the info that DM beat his staff? And why do you believe it? I have worked with Dm before and I will take that kind of abuse all day long! (grin). Did Jesus beat his disciples? How do you know? Can we get real here Dragon? You really sound absurd.
Rathbun acted real tough with staff members but as soon as DM was around, he was Mr Caring. You dont know these people. You really dont know anything about those guys. Yet you made a choice of innocense or guilt based on their stories. Thats scary for all church going folks. You represent a real threat to religious freedom. You have proof? Where is it and what is being done with it. Bunker has been arrested. What Scn were?
You're right, I don't know. If he were the only person who spoke of David Miscavige's violence, then I probably wouldn't put much faith in it, but he's not. Yes, Bunker has been arrested, but look at his charges. He was at a protest when he was arrested for trespassing because he crossed a line and got closer to gold base than what was allowed. Does that sound like the crime of a dangerous criminal? Now compare that to operation snow white and the arrests made in that case.
When you get arrested its because you broke the law. How many excuses are you gonna give dragon. It wasnt his first arrest either. Now tell me all you know about this "Snow White" including where you heard that at. I bet I know, Mrs Bunker. lol
Actually, I pay more attention to Tory Christman than Mark Bunker. You should look up operation Snow white yourself. You wont believe it if you hear it from me. Anyway, I'm going to bed now, it was nice meeting you.
Dragon that was your silliest comment yet. You really are deperate! lol There was no OP Snow White and Tory Magoo cheated on her husband. You call yourself a christian yet you worship these type of people? You should be ashamed.
Okay Tory, I'm tired of arguing with you. I hope some day you see the truth, but for now I'm just going to nod my head and let you believe what you want to believe.
Of course Tory Magoo cheated on her husband, why else would she have left Scientology? I see how determined you are to keep the blindfold on.
Thats awfully "christian" of you dragon. lmao. And just knowing that Jesus has filled your heart with the idea that its ok to cheat on a spouse makes me realize just how right my choice was. I assume you cheat of your other half as well, correct? Of course you do. What was I thinking? ROFL
When did she cheat? And who with? How do you know she cheated? I'm sorry for not being clear enough in my earlier comment, but I was using sarcasm when I said she had to cheat to quit scientology.
What kind of Christian uses sarcasm to make a point? And I asked you a question yesterday but I never saw your response. What are the 2 commandments of Christ?
Love God with all your soul and love your neighbor as you love yourself.
I didn't know sarcasm wounded you so. I'll refrain from using it does that much damage. You still don't have proof to back up that Tory Magoo cheated on her husband.
Dragon I do have proof. A statement from her Ex. It says it all. Im curious. You seem VERY biased towards anonymous even though they are a religious hate group. Why?
Did her ex find her with this man? Did she admit to cheating? Did he find proof? condoms that weren't his? Credit card statements that say she charged for a cheap motel room?
Way to change the subject Tory. Our conversation steered quite far from anonymous.
How about we make a deal. Give me a Scientology book to read (I already have Dianetics) and you read Blown for Good or my billion year contract. We will go through these books together.
Condoms? Yea I guess you did get abit distracted. lol. Give me a Scn book? If you really want to read one, just go to your library and check one out. I already signed a Billion year contract so I dont need to read one. You did too if you chose to follow Christ. Or are you just a part time christian?
Why are you so insistant to question my Christianity? So you refuse to read any books written by former scientologists? Or are you not allowed too? I'm willing to read a scn book, but would you read blown for good? Just to be able to say you read it and still disagree with it?
Not allowed too? Huh? You mean like i cant decide for myself? Where do you get these evil, bigoted ideas Dragon? I dont need to read a book on child pornography to know I disagree with it. Do you know Mark Headley?
I question your christianity because you dont sound like you have ever been one. No christian would ever have anything to do with anonymous but here you are defending them. You know absolutely nothing about who they really are, but you defend them. No christian would do that. But christians do take Scn classes. What game are you playing here?
You're still under the impression Anonymous is a viscous hate group, just as you think (without proof) that tory Christman cheated on her husband. I'm not under the illusion that Scientologists are evil. I believe they have been taken advantage of by corrupt leadership. So why do you insist on thinking Anonymous is evil? You keep thinking of them as an organized group that think exactly the same thing, but they're all individuals who have different ways of handling situations.
Dragon I am a Scientologist. I never go back. I only go forward. You follow Bunker & Magoo. It would appear that you are very much like them. Stick with christianity. I really feel thats where someone like you belongs. Im serious.
I never asked you to leave your faith, I'm asking you to question the corruption of your church. I will never ask anyone to leave their faith, but open your eyes to the injustice taking place in your own church. If you want to go forward, than go forward and make the effort to discover and stop the abuses going on in the church.
Dragon I am insulted by your bigotry. You are a disgrace to all good christians. If you have proof of crimes then you take them to the police. You do not sit in here and spread rumors like you are some kind of venomous snake. Have you no honor? Take your proof to the proper authorities where it belongs. As for me and my house? We will stay with Scn.
If there's one thing Co$ is good at, is playing the law game. They sue before they can be sued. I'm sorry I made you feel insulted and I"m sorry you think I'm a bigot. But is it really too much for you to at least read one of those books? Look into it yourself? I hope loyalty to the church does you know harm. I hope you remain lucky and never know the abuse, but please, don't allow it to keep you blind.
Dragon you are a religious bigot which makes you a cancer to all churches, not just mine. The audacity of you to try to pull a person out of his church simply because YOU feel its bad. goes beyong sickening. Your self righteousness is a true mark of your quality as a person. You should be ashamed.
No Dragon I wouldnt. Why? Because its only YOUR idea that its bad and its not up to me to decide for them. Thats their right & choice and I have no right to deny them that. What did the Jesus folks do when it became illegal to follow him? You have no idea how dangerous you are to the religious rights of others. Wake up!
So if your son joined a strict church that wouldn't allow him to talk to you, you would be okay with that? You'd be okay with never knowing what was going on in his life because this church he joined made him shut you out?
Dragon lets stick to Scientology here. My son grew up in the Sea org. He talked to his grandparents and cousins, etc all the time. They are catholics. He went to the family reunions each year. He loved Disneyland & Disneyworld. Now if YOUR church is doing those things to kids then you have some personal decisions to make.
You didn't answer my question, Tory. If he one day up and joined a dangerous church, you'd still try and get him out, wouldn't you?
btw, I have been in bad churches before. One church told my mother that she needed to be baptized, because her baptism from any other church didn't count. The pastor and his wife constantly tried to put doubts in my mother's head about my dad because he didn't like the way they did things. We left that church because it was bad for us.
If my son was an adult he would need to make his own choice on that. But i dont have to worry about such things in my church. It sounds like your history of church has not been a positive one. Thats too bad, but it doesnt give you the right to spread the false rumors you are spreading about mine, especially when you have never set foot in one.
I don't think you would let your son remain in a church that didn't allow him to talk to you. I think you would do something about it. Whether you see it or not, there are members of your church no longer allowed to talk to family members because of the disconnection policy. I'm happy you haven't been forced to disconnect, but don't stay blind to disconnection just because it hasn't been forced on you.
Dragon I pity you and the fear you live in. There is no disconnection policy in Scn. There is no kids forced to do anything. There is no family cant speak to family. Thats stuff you are making up. Im sorry for your condition. I wish I could help you but your hatred has blinded you. Get help. Seriously. You deserve help.
Everyone has different opinion on what it is, so it's impossible to get a unified stand on it. Anyways, my point here is not to fight for or against scientology, it's that you doing what you say not to. You are debating religion, and attacking the religious belief's of another person. If you believe this is wrong, I don't get why you do it. It makes you no better than the person you fight. Please send me a message if you have anymore comments. We're wasting space for
Tory, the disconnection I talk about wasn't something I made up. I know you don't want to see the bad happening in your church, but its there. You can call me a bigot, but I have no hatred toward scns, I don't even hate David Miscavige. I just want the abuse to stop. When the church becomes safe I will back off. I don't believe in wasting energy hating something or someone.
Of course Co$ denies the existence of the disconnection policy, and members either have been untouched by it like you, or they claim they distanced themselves from their family because of personal reasons and not because of the church. Tory Christman for example. Her husband claims she was cheating on him and uses that as his reason for no longer wanting anything to do with her. But is there any proof she cheated? Tory became disillusioned with the church, left and was disconnected
Tory Christman is a pig. Pretty strong statement dont you think? My name came from a statement she made to me. She knows me and I know her. She is a fake. But you can still love her if you wish. You're a big girl. And it only took 30 years for her to wake up. How long does it take you to see something is evil? lol
Was she a pig before she left Scientology? How did you know her? Were you friends when she was still in the church? Before she left, what was she like to you?
She had a pretty extensive history of trouble even while she was in Scn. She was a man chaser. Thats no big deal unless you are married. She was. She was a "used car salesman" if you know what I mean. She was constantly being handled on these points. She is about herself first and then everyone else.
I know you are a good person Dragon but your words are evil. Dont do to us what Hitler did to the Jews or the romans did to Christ. We have wars & folks dying today because there are those who do not like other religions. Dont be one of them.
Today? 1 crime. I have allowed a religious bigot the cxhance to spew her venom when I should have cut her off. I let down alot of religions by allowing that. Im sorry. How about you?
Rofl, well the police haven't shown up yet, so I guess none. Personally, every religion has good and bad elements. Anyone who believe their religion is free from evil elements is just ingnorant. Not say this is what you think, just saying. You should declare another a bigot for attack your religion, and then turn around and do the same. It doesn't give your arguement much validity.
Eva I think you are missing the point. Religion is not for debating. Its a personal choice and nobody has the right to try and take that from them. If a person does not like another church thats ok. he doesnt have to go there.
Actually, that's my point exactly. The same can be said about these youtube videos though. If you don't like it, don't watch it, don't comment about it. By the title alone I'm sure you knew you would be offended by it. Try searching for videos you would support instead, and you'll be much happier.
Eva I dont like the idea of Child Pornography. If I saw a video promoting it on youtube, I would do something about it. I would not just find another video I could agreed with. Turning your head on religious bigotry is why we still have it. Maybe you should speak out against it instead of finding a new room.
I'm Christian, and I openly speak against the Catholic Priests who have gotten away with molesting children. It's sick and unforgivable in my opinion. I also speak out for homosexual couples that aren't able to marry. Unfortunatly, not everyone agrees me. In reality no one can define religious bigotry.
Religious bigotry is easy for me to define. It is when you take it upon yourself to judge & try to destroy the religious rights of others because you dont like them or you dont agree with what they believe or do.
But, haven't you done this by saying Scientologist move forward, while Christain stay the same? Is that not judging another religion? You're religious rights are protected by our government by the way. I can't see American courts declaring that scientology can't be practice. It wouldn't make any sense, unless they were harming it's own members or other on a large scale.
What is a real christian and how would one behave? Would he attack another religion because he views it as bad? By what right? And if he is that way hasnt he in fact stepped backwards, not forwards?
I don't hate you, I don't hate other scns, I don't even hate David Miscavige, who I think is one of your religions biggest problems. One day, I hope Scientology will walk freely in the open without having upper scns censoring what they get to see, read or who they talk too.
Every church on earth charges money for its services. Every church on earth has text that is not meant for everyone to see. DM is one of the greatest men I have ever met or worked with. Yet sadly I detect that you view him with caution because of why? "STORIES" you have heard & read yet cant prove to be true. BIAS & BIGOTRY! You are soaked in it.
Dragon I have kept every death threat I have ever been PM'd by anons. They have threatened to kill my family as well. Now I have you telling me how good they are. Why do you think Bunker had to issue a statement asking anons to not be violent or do anything illegal? Think a moment about that.
I'm very sorry you were threatened. Like I commented to another anon earlier, some anons have no tact. I don't support the violent or threatening actions some anons do. I do support the peaceful protests and the internet sites talking about corruption in the church. I hope these threats were no more than threats, and I do hope you had police support if they were more than just threats.
Dragon Im not worried about those threats. Thats what kids do. Now why dont you tell me about the good anons, who they are, and what they have done that is factual and not just based on opinion or stories.
Well I have to give you this one Tory. You associate me with Anonymous, but I really haven't talked to many anonymous members except for maybe two youtubers. I have read articles about the protests thrown by anonymous members, walking around, wearing masks and holding signs mentioning Operation Snow White, Operation Freak Out and Lisa Mcpherson. I saw people standing up for what they believe in, wanting justice for the victims. But if these anons are just kids, how are they evil?
There is no such thing as a real christain. Just different people. Once again, it's something that not everyone can share a unified opinion on. But, you're comment says that no one has the right to attack another religion. Aren't you doing just that. Are you not doing the very thing that you hate this person for doing to you. Who gave you that right? My religion doesn't give me the right to judge. You know I haven't said scientology is bad once, right? I'm just saying you're a hypocritc.
so you say she was fun socially, and you're right, people can give a front that appears good but be bad underneath. But did you ever once observe this bad?
You're comments about comparing this to Hitler and the Jews, and Jesus and the Romans is out of place. Scientologists are not being systematically murder, and I would speak out against it in a heart beat if that were the case.
Its not just about murder. Open your eyes. Its the desire by anon to dismantle us because they dont like us. The bigotry that was back in the time of Christ & Hitler is with us today. This isnt about Scientology. Its about religion. That effects me & you.
The hatred and violence generated by Anonymous is not limited to the virtual world. Pekka-Eric Auvinen posted a threat on an Anonymous forum before going on a shooting rampage, stating he was going to kill people in the name of anonymous. He murdered nine people before taking his own life
Anonymous members have infested the Internet with postings encouraging suicide and murder. They also have engaged in cyberterrorism and more conventional forms of harassment such as telephone bomb threats and vandalism
encouraging suicide and murder? Really? Thats funny. I haven't seen any of that. Is that what the Co$ has told you? Anonymous isnt' a hate group, though Co$ loves to say they are. Scientology created their own enemies when they attempted to censor the internet. Damn, girl, you're so deep in lies, how can you even see what's in front of you?
For the past few years, Anonymous has mounted hate campaigns against selected targets, ranging from massive attacks that render websites inaccessible to spreading obscenities and degraded imagery on the Net.
We've existed long before we struck a blow against your cult. Realize that we are not against your beliefs, only against the fraudulent and dangerous behavior of your "religious" leaders.
Once you finally see the light of what this cult is doing to you, once you're robbed of all your finances, once you're broken and alone, we're still be here on the outside to greet you back to reality.
You are a 14 year old child. And all you kids do is talk. One day when you can grow hair on your face you will laugh embarrassingly at the fact that you once wore a stupid mask and danced like an idiot. But you are young now. Enjoy the game. lolol
Enjoy it like how brainwashed sheep like you enjoy Fair Game?
Don't worry, the day when you realize how wrong you are will come. It'll hurt you mentally and it will hurt you emotionally.
But once again, all your insults and blindness won't change the fact that when that day does come, and it will, we will still be here to help you readjust to reality.
We're not your enemy. Don't believe Miscavige's lies.
Dear 3030. I have been in Scn since 1970. I have worked with DM many times. I hate to tell you this as I know how badly you wanted to beat us (why?) but we are just too big for you and WAY out of your league. Enjoy your bigotry. And halloween is coming so you will finally have an excuse to wear that mask without looking retarded. Google "Scientology Myths" to get a few answers to your confusions. Gotta run now. I have a BIG Scn class to attend.
pamew you must be new here so let me refresh the rules for you. 1. You dont speak to me unless I give you permission. 2. This will be tough for you but I only except comments that are at least in the double-digit IQ range. That means yours needs to come WAY up. Get back with me if you have any other questions. Otherwise ... shut your mouth. Thanks! : - D
Insults aimed at intellect only work on the truly moronic I'm afraid, so whilst I'm at it I'll just remind you that you're a dumbass and everyone on this video page has pretty much destroyed you, whilst you've been too busy writing "play with your mask lololololol!!!111!!" like a four year old to notice.
pamew so we have established that you are stupid. Ok I'll slow this down for you so that your mom can tell you what it means. " You dont speak to me unless you get my permission first". Should I write that in crayon so you get it? I can help you work this out if you need it. Ask your mom and get back to me.
pamew your folks arent dead? You are such a liar. You really think we are gonna believe that you knew who they were? Silly anon. Now get to school and leave the talk to the adults. Go on now. Shooo!!
No offense pamew. You are full of shit and I call them as I see them. You belong to a known religious hate group. You feel a need to try and take away another persons religious rights because you "believe" something bad happened. Well why dont you prove one of your claims? Or are you like all your bros meaning you cant? Im calling you out. Prove me wrong or just keep acting like you are smart. Your choice.
Furthermore, Anonymous are also not a religious hate group, they are merely protesting peacefully against a cult that hasn't even been given worldwide lawful recognition as a religion and is even being outlawed in Germany, with other countries following suit.
The Berlin church is booming. Sorry about that. (grin). According to YOUR "Anonymous Manifesto", your group calls itself a Death Cult and its purpose is to destroy for the fun of it. I think its time you shut your mouth and do your homework so you can learn the truth about your DYING group. They are under trial in Texas for racial hate crimes. Wake up!
Im afraid pamew that COS will be here long after you have passed. And it appears you are ignorant to your own group. There is an "Anonymous Manifesto" and it does state that anon calls itself the Death Cult. Look it up cupcake. Or are you afraid to?
I love it when you anon kids try to tell us " Oh those are the other anons" when we present your groups criminal intentions. There is only ONE anonymous and it is a criminal group. That also tells us abit about you and what you follow. Very classy.
Okay, first, if you're going to make your standard snotty bullshit ad hominem attacks and outright bullshit claims against me, at least have the decency to click the "reply" button.
1. There is no "anonymous manifesto" the PROTEST GROUP has one aim, which is the disbandment of Scientology. that is it.
2. As I said, the trial in texas was regarding people who happened to not leave their names when they wrote comments. that does not make them members of any group, dumbo.
The anonymous front group " Encyclopedia Dramatica" does in fact list the Anonymous Manifesto. If you had any idea of what you belong to you would know that. You are a member of a religious hate group therefore you are an enemy to mankind. And nobody buys your "its not us, it was the other anons" bullshit. Boy your folks must be proud! No wonder they split!!
1. I don't identify myself as an Anon, I've stated this.
2. Encyclopedia dramatica is a parody website. It makes both crude and subtle critiques of everything under the sun. I should know, I'm a member and help maintain the old girl along with a lot of other people.
It is not and never has been an "anonymous front group." in fact the article regarding the anonymous protest movement is just as humorously scathing as any other.
pamew you attack my religion yet you cant prove any of your claims. You openly lie about your backing of anonymous while knowing they are a religious hate group. You make more excuses for your criminal actions than any anon I have met so far. Are you on drugs? What would cause you to be so blind & destructive? Were you raised that way? Please explain yourself so that I better understand where your hatred comes from.
"always attack, never defend" is still in action then.
Great to see you failed to address the point that you didn't realise that ED is in fact a parody site.
No I don't use drugs.
Your "religion" hasn't even gotten global recognition as such.
I haven't committed any crimes throughout my life, totally clean record, yet ironically you're the one committing a crime - liable : written attacks on a persons character.
I'm also not an "anon", what with the fact my personal details are on here.
pamew I like how you tried to say that "always attack, never defend" is a bad thing. I guess your motto is to lie down and take your medicine? lmao. Nice try on the coverup of ED but its too late. And we both know cupcake that COS does have global recog. Dont you ever Google? lol. You failed. Be big about it and move on. You thought you would attack but instead you were set straight. Its not polite to mess with another's religious beliefs. Its criminal.
Troll: A term used by anons when they feel cornered. And how proud your folks must be that you are part of a website that shows disdain for everybody. I cant wait to read your book where you tell us all what makes you so much better than others. We know its not your IQ that does it. (grin)
My name comes from a direct quote that Magoo made to me in LA when she was in Scn. She remembers it well which is why she blocks me in all her videos. I know of her crimes against her husband. Notice I didnt say the church? You should have seen what she did to her family. But what do you care? You are part of a group that hates family. Silly me.
ToryLRH, we are not a group. we are a collective of individuals. I'm a Steelers/ Penguins fan, I take no culpability if one another fan of my teams gets drunks and act like an arse. You and Val are unwilling to understand...or not allowed to understand. We are paid by big PHARMA, we don't all wear Guy Fawkes masks. We all don't like hockey, I do. We are not all liberals, i am....Seewhat I'm saying???
Cheap- anon is cool to KIDS. Its a kids group. You are part of a modern day Mickey Mouse club. Enjoy it. At least they are better than the Steelers! (grin).
anonymous is not an organized group. There's no sign up sheet, or long list of members. It's anyone who sees the abuses going on in the church of scientology and wants to stand up against it. Each anonymous person has their own way of protesting. Some anonymous don't get any further than just talking about it online. Others get involved in protests. Don't say one anonymous is like an another. They are all different individuals, not drones that follow someone else's orders.
Anonymous is a babysitting club for wanna -be's. A group of kids with no skill in life other than to talk big while hiding behind a keyboard. They are over. They were a joke and now folks are bored with them. You are gonna have to go back to "Barney" son. This ride is OVER! lol
They're over? Do they know that? Someone needs to tell them that the next time they throw a protest. They just had one recently if I recall. Trust me, hon, they are not over. And if all they are is a bunch of kids with no skill, then why do you call them criminals? Why does scientology fight so hard to take them down, if these no skill kids are only talk? Are they kids or dangerous criminals?
(btw, I know I have a gender neutral name, but I'm not a guy.)
Anon has had over 43 arrests. Trust me cupcake. They are over. Even Mark Bunker wants nothing to do with them. They have racial hate crime cases pending in Texas, and the last rally I drove by had 4 kids. 4 KIDS! Its over and you lost. But I still forgive you.
Where did you get the impression that Mark Bunker wants nothing to do with them? He did make a video advising them to refrain from illegal activities regarding Scientology, but he still supports their cause. And again, I don't think they know its over. Also, I am not Anonymous. I don't oppose Co$ under the guise of a mask or an anonymous screen name. I oppose Co$ openly.
How about YOU ask Mark why he doesnt want to be connected to anonymous. He likes the fact that you kids worship him. He LOVES that. But he will never join you. Wonder why? Hmmmm
The point of anonymous is that YOU are anonymous. Mark can't join anonymous because he openly protests scientology. But he does support anonymous as long as they do things legally. And Mark Bunker has been against Scientology long before anonymous came along.
Gee I wonder why Mark had to tell anonymous to do things legally. Maybe because they are criminal in nature? No wait! This is where you tell me there are good & bad anons right? And you say WE are brainwashed? Bunker doesnt want anything to do with a criminal group like anon. But it appears YOU do. Says alot about your standards I would say.
So why does he support anonymous? Why did he make a video telling anonymous they are making a difference. Yes, there are anonymous that did break laws. I wont call them bad anons, but I will call them tactless. Co$ is ruthless against the people that oppose them. It seemed fair to some anons that they could be ruthless too. Besides, its not like Co$ never broke the law before. I can give you a few examples if you like.
Is it me, or does the conducter look rather like Professor Cornel West?!
Suprahampton 6 months ago
anon is a far more dangerous group than scientology just look at the videos....They always harass and intimidate.
232323C 7 months ago
@232323C but Anonymous kicks fucking ass and Scientology incorporates the most idiot and ignorant dumfucks of the world. Thats why Anonymous is much more dangerous to fucked up organizations.
PtCobra 6 months ago
@JustGhastly and RockJosiah: it's not music from Pokemon, it's boss music from Secret of Mana
jepleure 1 year ago
What's the name of that backround music? I've heard it before.
JustGhastly 1 year ago
@JustGhastly Background**
JustGhastly 1 year ago
@JustGhastly It's the pokemon battle music I think...XD Hope I'm right
It's been sped up though
RockJosiah 1 year ago
@RockJosiah Oh, lmfao xD
JustGhastly 1 year ago
. Christman came home with her credit cards maxed-out and her tail between her legs. Her husband once again paid off all her bills but, after months of rejections, finally moved on.
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
how interesting. You just copied and pasted that from Scientology's religious freedom watch. Is this what you observed personally, or just what that website says?
DragonflyandTheWolf 2 years ago
I wrote you what I observed. Do you pay attention or is that not your goal?
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
what you wrote was a direct quote from the church's website religious freedom watch. Did you write that article yourself then?
DragonflyandTheWolf 2 years ago
Dragon how can we talk if you are not going to pay attention? Its abit annoying to be honest.
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
I'm trying, but you reply so often and in numerous comments. Not that that is a bad thing. You have a lot to say, nothing wrong with that. Please have patience with me.
DragonflyandTheWolf 2 years ago
Extremist Patricia Greenway, meeting Christman for the first time, had this to say about her, Theres something innately dishonest there but its combined with a nutty quality AND shes somewhat man hungry
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
Yes, but what did YOU think of her before she left the church. Before she started showing her doubts?
DragonflyandTheWolf 2 years ago
She was abit nuts but I like folks like that. She was socially fun but that doesnt really tell you what the person is really like does it? What do you know about her that makes her so special to you.
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
Why hasnt anonymous and their leader Mark Bunker taken Scn to court with all their "proof"? What is the holdup? Its because you cant prove one thing you claim. You are about religious bigotry only but we showed you we were too much for you. We wont stop now until your hatred for religion is gone. You dont like Scn? Tough. There is nothing you can do about it.
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
Also, I don't hate your religion. I have no right to protest the spiritual belief of any soul on this earth. I do protest the conduct of the Church that takes advantage of it's followers by forcing them to disconnect from family that disapproves of the church, censoring what they're allowed to look at on the internet, their fair game policy and their disciplinary methods. I will never support any church that holds such a tight leash on its followers.
DragonflyandTheWolf 2 years ago
Smart folks go and see for themselves. The blind read it on xenutv or on wiki. Go listen to a lecture and ask your questions. Not even Bunker will do that. Read a book from beginning to end and then tell me what you dont like about it. Want me to tell you why I hate your mom? How can I? I dont know her! Thats how much you know about Scn. lol. Wake up honey.
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
I could go on but why? These things dont bother you. You & Bunker are part of it in your own ways. Bunker encourages anon to do what they do thru his videos while pretending to be concerned about the nature of anons actions. And you support him.
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
you know, not so long ago someone on twitter requested to follow me. It was Mark Bunker himself. I was so excited, but then I saw his page and his tweets. They were spouting hate against islam. A few weeks later Tory Magoo requested to follow me too, also spouting hate against Islam. Guess what? It really wasn't Tory Magoo or Mark Bunker, but a member of Co$ trying to make those who protest scientology look like people who encourage hate. Co$ does whatever it takes to make them look bad
DragonflyandTheWolf 2 years ago
This is what L Ron Hubbard called Fair Game. Look up the name Paulette Cooper or operation freak out, and you'll see it at its best. There were plans to make her look like a terrorist, all because she wrote a book that showed Scientology in a bad light.
DragonflyandTheWolf 2 years ago
Hey Dragon I have been in Scn since 1970. Google "Scientology Myths" and see the actual documents on those stories you are trying to spread. And the idea that you think promoted suicide & murder are funny just proves your are anonymous which makes you garbage. Simple really.
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
And the odds of you knowing anything about Scn is zilch. You knbow what Mark tells you to know. You are a "Stepford" anon. A puppet. Ask Tory about the $ she stole from her Ex. Yea she is a classy lady for sure. And you can keep them both. lol
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
um, I'm not a blind follower of anything. Do you know how I found out about Scientology? I was curious about the religion so I looked it up on Wikipedia. Then I read various articles by different people about, and stumbled on a Mark Bunker video while youtubing Scientology. I've watched countless interviews of Scientology members, ex scientology members and Scientology protestors. I looked into both sides before making up my mind. I never blindly follow anything.
DragonflyandTheWolf 2 years ago
ROFLMMFAO!!! You found out about it by Wiki? This will seem strange to you, but why didnt you just read one of the books yourself? Cant read? Didnt want the truth. Good Luck with ol Bunky. And just for fun since kissing his ass is your #1 hobby. Ask him to show you proof of any of his claims. Thats when it gets fun!!! Take care!!! lmao
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
Is Wiki the only thing that registered with you? I did mention reading articles and watching interviews of members of both sides. I also recently checked out a copy of dianetics. Trust me, I've done research. Wiki was just the opening.
DragonflyandTheWolf 2 years ago
You didnt tell me how you took a class there. You didnt tell me what book you read. What else would matter? reports? Give me a break. You read Dianetics? Prove it. Tell me something about what you read.
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
So I need to pay thousands of dollars before I can say anything bad about scientology? So what about all the ex scientologists who did invest a lot of money in classes, but now talk about how bad Scientology was for them. Or are they all conveniently liars? There's quite a few of them that came out with books recently about their experiences.
DragonflyandTheWolf 2 years ago
Book 1 auditing is FREE. Reading one of the books at a library is FREE. A lecture is FREE. What do you want? And what religion are you?
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
Name for me the persons who came out with books on Scn.
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
I can name two.
Mark Headley, author of Blown for Good
Nancy Many author of my billion year contract.
DragonflyandTheWolf 2 years ago
Dragon your comment was " There's quite a few who have come out with books". Then you name 2. So what religion are you Dragon?
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
Christian. Are you going to tell me the flaws in my religion now? I already told you I don't oppose your religion, just your church.
DragonflyandTheWolf 2 years ago
I was raised in the Church of Christ for 22 years. I liked it. I almost went to Bible College as I really enjoy the Bible. No, I actually have no intentions of degrading your beliefs. Christianity was a great stepping stone in my life and there are many Christians that take Scn classes. They are cool.
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
also, you did only ask me to name one. That doesn't erase the fact that there are known ex scientogists that have something bad to say about the church.
DragonflyandTheWolf 2 years ago
I can tell you alot of names of folks who left the Christian church. Does that prove Christianity is false or a lie? Does it make God's word a lie because so amy say it is? And would YOU leave it if I told you I thought it was criminal or evil?
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
Which Christian church? There are lots of different sections in Christianity. Some sections are even cult like. No I would never go to that kind of church. I already told you, I don't judge you for your beliefs in scientology. You believe the tech works, I believe it works for you. Thats not what I'm oppossed too. As for me, I rarely attend church at all. I believe strongly in Jesus, but I worship him privately.
DragonflyandTheWolf 2 years ago
if a family member entered a cult like church, I would do everything I could to get them out, but I would hope they still clung to their beliefs after wards. There is actually a section of Scientology that broke away to continue their practice away from the church because they didn't agree with it'd conduct. I'm happy for that section, they got their freedom.
DragonflyandTheWolf 2 years ago
Interesting that even though nobody on earth can prove the existence of God, you still put all your beliefs in it. Then you call us weird. What are Jesus's 2 commandments?
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
Did you not read the part where I said I didn't question your beliefs? I will never question your beliefs or your faith in your religion. I will never ask you about Xenu because I know it offends Scientologists to be asked about it and I never called you weird for your beliefs. My opposition is strictly against the church. Christianity itself has had many churches that took advantage of its members. I'm opposed to them too. Its not your beliefs I question.
DragonflyandTheWolf 2 years ago
The victims? What victims? And if you want to believe in xenu thats ok with me. I dont choose to but it seems a big hangup with anons. I have been in Scn for 40 years. I was in the Sea Org for over 10 years. My son was raised in the SO and I went to my Family reunion every year at Xmas. Why wasnt I abused? Why werent my friends? Why did I never read about Fair Game? Where did you get these horrible ideas from?
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
You wont hear anything I say, will you? Maybe you never hear of the victims because they don't want you to believe. Go on to religiousfreedomwatch, I believe that's a Co$ website. It has a list of anti scientologists. Some of them are former members. After you get their names, look them up and read their side of the story. If thats not enough for you, just type in scientology in the youtube search. Watch some of the videos of people talking about why they are against it.
DragonflyandTheWolf 2 years ago
Actually Dragon it is you that is not listening. I know these anit- scn and i have seen something funny in their statements. None of them are against Scn. Isnt that wild? How do you explain that Rathbun, Headley, DeVoch, etc all still like Scn. They just dont like DM though they all admitted to trying to harm him. Was Judas a victim. Or did he do something to cause him to turn against Christ. Nobody gets bullied in Scn. That was made up by Bunker and fed to the gullable like yourself.
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
They still like it? Like the religion or like the church. Headley is the one who just came out with a book about the church. Rathbun has also made claims against David Miscaviage for beating his staff. Yeah they don't like David Miscavige. He's the head of the church and he beats his staff. Find someone to run your church without so much violence, it might not get so much crap.
DragonflyandTheWolf 2 years ago
Have you ever seen proof of DM beating his staff? Where did you get the info that DM beat his staff? And why do you believe it? I have worked with Dm before and I will take that kind of abuse all day long! (grin). Did Jesus beat his disciples? How do you know? Can we get real here Dragon? You really sound absurd.
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
Rathbun acted real tough with staff members but as soon as DM was around, he was Mr Caring. You dont know these people. You really dont know anything about those guys. Yet you made a choice of innocense or guilt based on their stories. Thats scary for all church going folks. You represent a real threat to religious freedom. You have proof? Where is it and what is being done with it. Bunker has been arrested. What Scn were?
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
You're right, I don't know. If he were the only person who spoke of David Miscavige's violence, then I probably wouldn't put much faith in it, but he's not. Yes, Bunker has been arrested, but look at his charges. He was at a protest when he was arrested for trespassing because he crossed a line and got closer to gold base than what was allowed. Does that sound like the crime of a dangerous criminal? Now compare that to operation snow white and the arrests made in that case.
DragonflyandTheWolf 2 years ago
When you get arrested its because you broke the law. How many excuses are you gonna give dragon. It wasnt his first arrest either. Now tell me all you know about this "Snow White" including where you heard that at. I bet I know, Mrs Bunker. lol
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
Actually, I pay more attention to Tory Christman than Mark Bunker. You should look up operation Snow white yourself. You wont believe it if you hear it from me. Anyway, I'm going to bed now, it was nice meeting you.
DragonflyandTheWolf 2 years ago
Dragon that was your silliest comment yet. You really are deperate! lol There was no OP Snow White and Tory Magoo cheated on her husband. You call yourself a christian yet you worship these type of people? You should be ashamed.
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
Okay Tory, I'm tired of arguing with you. I hope some day you see the truth, but for now I'm just going to nod my head and let you believe what you want to believe.
Of course Tory Magoo cheated on her husband, why else would she have left Scientology? I see how determined you are to keep the blindfold on.
DragonflyandTheWolf 2 years ago
Thats awfully "christian" of you dragon. lmao. And just knowing that Jesus has filled your heart with the idea that its ok to cheat on a spouse makes me realize just how right my choice was. I assume you cheat of your other half as well, correct? Of course you do. What was I thinking? ROFL
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
When did she cheat? And who with? How do you know she cheated? I'm sorry for not being clear enough in my earlier comment, but I was using sarcasm when I said she had to cheat to quit scientology.
DragonflyandTheWolf 2 years ago
What kind of Christian uses sarcasm to make a point? And I asked you a question yesterday but I never saw your response. What are the 2 commandments of Christ?
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
Love God with all your soul and love your neighbor as you love yourself.
I didn't know sarcasm wounded you so. I'll refrain from using it does that much damage. You still don't have proof to back up that Tory Magoo cheated on her husband.
DragonflyandTheWolf 2 years ago
Dragon I do have proof. A statement from her Ex. It says it all. Im curious. You seem VERY biased towards anonymous even though they are a religious hate group. Why?
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
Did her ex find her with this man? Did she admit to cheating? Did he find proof? condoms that weren't his? Credit card statements that say she charged for a cheap motel room?
Way to change the subject Tory. Our conversation steered quite far from anonymous.
How about we make a deal. Give me a Scientology book to read (I already have Dianetics) and you read Blown for Good or my billion year contract. We will go through these books together.
DragonflyandTheWolf 2 years ago
Condoms? Yea I guess you did get abit distracted. lol. Give me a Scn book? If you really want to read one, just go to your library and check one out. I already signed a Billion year contract so I dont need to read one. You did too if you chose to follow Christ. Or are you just a part time christian?
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
Why are you so insistant to question my Christianity? So you refuse to read any books written by former scientologists? Or are you not allowed too? I'm willing to read a scn book, but would you read blown for good? Just to be able to say you read it and still disagree with it?
DragonflyandTheWolf 2 years ago
Not allowed too? Huh? You mean like i cant decide for myself? Where do you get these evil, bigoted ideas Dragon? I dont need to read a book on child pornography to know I disagree with it. Do you know Mark Headley?
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
I question your christianity because you dont sound like you have ever been one. No christian would ever have anything to do with anonymous but here you are defending them. You know absolutely nothing about who they really are, but you defend them. No christian would do that. But christians do take Scn classes. What game are you playing here?
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
You're still under the impression Anonymous is a viscous hate group, just as you think (without proof) that tory Christman cheated on her husband. I'm not under the illusion that Scientologists are evil. I believe they have been taken advantage of by corrupt leadership. So why do you insist on thinking Anonymous is evil? You keep thinking of them as an organized group that think exactly the same thing, but they're all individuals who have different ways of handling situations.
DragonflyandTheWolf 2 years ago
Let me ask you again, will you read those books I mentioned? Or will you refuse to hear out anyone that isn't a member of Co$?
DragonflyandTheWolf 2 years ago
Dragon I am a Scientologist. I never go back. I only go forward. You follow Bunker & Magoo. It would appear that you are very much like them. Stick with christianity. I really feel thats where someone like you belongs. Im serious.
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
I never asked you to leave your faith, I'm asking you to question the corruption of your church. I will never ask anyone to leave their faith, but open your eyes to the injustice taking place in your own church. If you want to go forward, than go forward and make the effort to discover and stop the abuses going on in the church.
DragonflyandTheWolf 2 years ago
Dragon I am insulted by your bigotry. You are a disgrace to all good christians. If you have proof of crimes then you take them to the police. You do not sit in here and spread rumors like you are some kind of venomous snake. Have you no honor? Take your proof to the proper authorities where it belongs. As for me and my house? We will stay with Scn.
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
If there's one thing Co$ is good at, is playing the law game. They sue before they can be sued. I'm sorry I made you feel insulted and I"m sorry you think I'm a bigot. But is it really too much for you to at least read one of those books? Look into it yourself? I hope loyalty to the church does you know harm. I hope you remain lucky and never know the abuse, but please, don't allow it to keep you blind.
Be Safe
DragonflyandTheWolf 2 years ago
Dragon you are a religious bigot which makes you a cancer to all churches, not just mine. The audacity of you to try to pull a person out of his church simply because YOU feel its bad. goes beyong sickening. Your self righteousness is a true mark of your quality as a person. You should be ashamed.
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
If you felt someone you knew was in a dangerous church, wouldn't you try and pull them out?
DragonflyandTheWolf 2 years ago
No Dragon I wouldnt. Why? Because its only YOUR idea that its bad and its not up to me to decide for them. Thats their right & choice and I have no right to deny them that. What did the Jesus folks do when it became illegal to follow him? You have no idea how dangerous you are to the religious rights of others. Wake up!
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
So if your son joined a strict church that wouldn't allow him to talk to you, you would be okay with that? You'd be okay with never knowing what was going on in his life because this church he joined made him shut you out?
DragonflyandTheWolf 2 years ago
Dragon lets stick to Scientology here. My son grew up in the Sea org. He talked to his grandparents and cousins, etc all the time. They are catholics. He went to the family reunions each year. He loved Disneyland & Disneyworld. Now if YOUR church is doing those things to kids then you have some personal decisions to make.
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
You didn't answer my question, Tory. If he one day up and joined a dangerous church, you'd still try and get him out, wouldn't you?
btw, I have been in bad churches before. One church told my mother that she needed to be baptized, because her baptism from any other church didn't count. The pastor and his wife constantly tried to put doubts in my mother's head about my dad because he didn't like the way they did things. We left that church because it was bad for us.
DragonflyandTheWolf 2 years ago
If my son was an adult he would need to make his own choice on that. But i dont have to worry about such things in my church. It sounds like your history of church has not been a positive one. Thats too bad, but it doesnt give you the right to spread the false rumors you are spreading about mine, especially when you have never set foot in one.
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
I don't think you would let your son remain in a church that didn't allow him to talk to you. I think you would do something about it. Whether you see it or not, there are members of your church no longer allowed to talk to family members because of the disconnection policy. I'm happy you haven't been forced to disconnect, but don't stay blind to disconnection just because it hasn't been forced on you.
DragonflyandTheWolf 2 years ago
Dragon I pity you and the fear you live in. There is no disconnection policy in Scn. There is no kids forced to do anything. There is no family cant speak to family. Thats stuff you are making up. Im sorry for your condition. I wish I could help you but your hatred has blinded you. Get help. Seriously. You deserve help.
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
Everyone has different opinion on what it is, so it's impossible to get a unified stand on it. Anyways, my point here is not to fight for or against scientology, it's that you doing what you say not to. You are debating religion, and attacking the religious belief's of another person. If you believe this is wrong, I don't get why you do it. It makes you no better than the person you fight. Please send me a message if you have anymore comments. We're wasting space for
comments about the video.
Eva7Iqus 2 years ago
Tory, the disconnection I talk about wasn't something I made up. I know you don't want to see the bad happening in your church, but its there. You can call me a bigot, but I have no hatred toward scns, I don't even hate David Miscavige. I just want the abuse to stop. When the church becomes safe I will back off. I don't believe in wasting energy hating something or someone.
DragonflyandTheWolf 2 years ago
Where did you get the disconnection data from Dragon and what made you certain it is correct? Give me specifics.
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
Of course Co$ denies the existence of the disconnection policy, and members either have been untouched by it like you, or they claim they distanced themselves from their family because of personal reasons and not because of the church. Tory Christman for example. Her husband claims she was cheating on him and uses that as his reason for no longer wanting anything to do with her. But is there any proof she cheated? Tory became disillusioned with the church, left and was disconnected
DragonflyandTheWolf 2 years ago
Tory Christman is a pig. Pretty strong statement dont you think? My name came from a statement she made to me. She knows me and I know her. She is a fake. But you can still love her if you wish. You're a big girl. And it only took 30 years for her to wake up. How long does it take you to see something is evil? lol
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
Was she a pig before she left Scientology? How did you know her? Were you friends when she was still in the church? Before she left, what was she like to you?
DragonflyandTheWolf 2 years ago
She had a pretty extensive history of trouble even while she was in Scn. She was a man chaser. Thats no big deal unless you are married. She was. She was a "used car salesman" if you know what I mean. She was constantly being handled on these points. She is about herself first and then everyone else.
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
In the days of Christ Dragon, you would have been told this simple sentence: " Get thee behind me, Satan".
You must stop your bigotry before the Lord stops it for you. Please.
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
I know you are a good person Dragon but your words are evil. Dont do to us what Hitler did to the Jews or the romans did to Christ. We have wars & folks dying today because there are those who do not like other religions. Dont be one of them.
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
How many crimes have you covered up today?
Eva7Iqus 2 years ago
Today? 1 crime. I have allowed a religious bigot the cxhance to spew her venom when I should have cut her off. I let down alot of religions by allowing that. Im sorry. How about you?
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
Rofl, well the police haven't shown up yet, so I guess none. Personally, every religion has good and bad elements. Anyone who believe their religion is free from evil elements is just ingnorant. Not say this is what you think, just saying. You should declare another a bigot for attack your religion, and then turn around and do the same. It doesn't give your arguement much validity.
Eva7Iqus 2 years ago
Eva I think you are missing the point. Religion is not for debating. Its a personal choice and nobody has the right to try and take that from them. If a person does not like another church thats ok. he doesnt have to go there.
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
Actually, that's my point exactly. The same can be said about these youtube videos though. If you don't like it, don't watch it, don't comment about it. By the title alone I'm sure you knew you would be offended by it. Try searching for videos you would support instead, and you'll be much happier.
Eva7Iqus 2 years ago
Eva I dont like the idea of Child Pornography. If I saw a video promoting it on youtube, I would do something about it. I would not just find another video I could agreed with. Turning your head on religious bigotry is why we still have it. Maybe you should speak out against it instead of finding a new room.
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
I'm Christian, and I openly speak against the Catholic Priests who have gotten away with molesting children. It's sick and unforgivable in my opinion. I also speak out for homosexual couples that aren't able to marry. Unfortunatly, not everyone agrees me. In reality no one can define religious bigotry.
Eva7Iqus 2 years ago
Religious bigotry is easy for me to define. It is when you take it upon yourself to judge & try to destroy the religious rights of others because you dont like them or you dont agree with what they believe or do.
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
But, haven't you done this by saying Scientologist move forward, while Christain stay the same? Is that not judging another religion? You're religious rights are protected by our government by the way. I can't see American courts declaring that scientology can't be practice. It wouldn't make any sense, unless they were harming it's own members or other on a large scale.
Eva7Iqus 2 years ago
What is a real christian and how would one behave? Would he attack another religion because he views it as bad? By what right? And if he is that way hasnt he in fact stepped backwards, not forwards?
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
I don't hate you, I don't hate other scns, I don't even hate David Miscavige, who I think is one of your religions biggest problems. One day, I hope Scientology will walk freely in the open without having upper scns censoring what they get to see, read or who they talk too.
DragonflyandTheWolf 2 years ago
Every church on earth charges money for its services. Every church on earth has text that is not meant for everyone to see. DM is one of the greatest men I have ever met or worked with. Yet sadly I detect that you view him with caution because of why? "STORIES" you have heard & read yet cant prove to be true. BIAS & BIGOTRY! You are soaked in it.
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
I didn't think them calling you names was a good way to convince you of their views.
DragonflyandTheWolf 2 years ago
Dragon I have kept every death threat I have ever been PM'd by anons. They have threatened to kill my family as well. Now I have you telling me how good they are. Why do you think Bunker had to issue a statement asking anons to not be violent or do anything illegal? Think a moment about that.
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
I'm very sorry you were threatened. Like I commented to another anon earlier, some anons have no tact. I don't support the violent or threatening actions some anons do. I do support the peaceful protests and the internet sites talking about corruption in the church. I hope these threats were no more than threats, and I do hope you had police support if they were more than just threats.
DragonflyandTheWolf 2 years ago
Dragon Im not worried about those threats. Thats what kids do. Now why dont you tell me about the good anons, who they are, and what they have done that is factual and not just based on opinion or stories.
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
Well I have to give you this one Tory. You associate me with Anonymous, but I really haven't talked to many anonymous members except for maybe two youtubers. I have read articles about the protests thrown by anonymous members, walking around, wearing masks and holding signs mentioning Operation Snow White, Operation Freak Out and Lisa Mcpherson. I saw people standing up for what they believe in, wanting justice for the victims. But if these anons are just kids, how are they evil?
DragonflyandTheWolf 2 years ago
Is that what they were doing according to you dragon? Standing up for what they believe in?
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
People rarely protest without having strong beliefs.
DragonflyandTheWolf 2 years ago
Good point dragon. Ever been to a KKK protest? They have strong beliefs as well.
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
There is no such thing as a real christain. Just different people. Once again, it's something that not everyone can share a unified opinion on. But, you're comment says that no one has the right to attack another religion. Aren't you doing just that. Are you not doing the very thing that you hate this person for doing to you. Who gave you that right? My religion doesn't give me the right to judge. You know I haven't said scientology is bad once, right? I'm just saying you're a hypocritc.
Eva7Iqus 2 years ago
Thanks for your opinion Eva but you really need to pay attention. Your point doesnt make sense in context to what has been said. Sorry
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
so you say she was fun socially, and you're right, people can give a front that appears good but be bad underneath. But did you ever once observe this bad?
DragonflyandTheWolf 2 years ago
Yes.
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
You're comments about comparing this to Hitler and the Jews, and Jesus and the Romans is out of place. Scientologists are not being systematically murder, and I would speak out against it in a heart beat if that were the case.
Eva7Iqus 2 years ago
Its not just about murder. Open your eyes. Its the desire by anon to dismantle us because they dont like us. The bigotry that was back in the time of Christ & Hitler is with us today. This isnt about Scientology. Its about religion. That effects me & you.
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
if you were never bullied or abused than I'm glad for you. I'm glad for your son too. But because you're okay, will you ignore those that aren't?
DragonflyandTheWolf 2 years ago
And who is it amongst you that has the right to call us a cult? What gave you that right? And what have you witnessed that proves you right?
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
It the victims who left the church that have the right. Will you even listen to their side of the story?
DragonflyandTheWolf 2 years ago
no one will ever shake my faith in God or Jesus, but I would leave any church that caused harm to me or someone I loved.
DragonflyandTheWolf 2 years ago
The hatred and violence generated by Anonymous is not limited to the virtual world. Pekka-Eric Auvinen posted a threat on an Anonymous forum before going on a shooting rampage, stating he was going to kill people in the name of anonymous. He murdered nine people before taking his own life
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
Anonymous is criminal in nature & in action. YOU belong to them Dragon. Where are your standards? Is this what you believe?
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
A 14-year old boy in Pasadena, California, who created a no-cussing club is deluged with hate e-mails and death threats—nearly 50,000 per day.
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
Anonymous members have infested the Internet with postings encouraging suicide and murder. They also have engaged in cyberterrorism and more conventional forms of harassment such as telephone bomb threats and vandalism
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
encouraging suicide and murder? Really? Thats funny. I haven't seen any of that. Is that what the Co$ has told you? Anonymous isnt' a hate group, though Co$ loves to say they are. Scientology created their own enemies when they attempted to censor the internet. Damn, girl, you're so deep in lies, how can you even see what's in front of you?
DragonflyandTheWolf 2 years ago
For the past few years, Anonymous has mounted hate campaigns against selected targets, ranging from massive attacks that render websites inaccessible to spreading obscenities and degraded imagery on the Net.
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
anonymous on crack?tooooooooooooooooo faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaast
TheNinja404 2 years ago
DFGASADGAG!!!!
Etonlor333 2 years ago
I love Scientology.
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
gtfo
MelkorFXify 2 years ago
ggbif
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
oh look, something that doesn't mean anything.
now, kindly gtfo, you don't belong
MelkorFXify 2 years ago
Whats wrong son? Mommy took your xbox? lololol
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
trolling doesn't work here you dipshit
gtfo
MelkorFXify 2 years ago
Then why are you responding cupcake? Did your momma tell you to?
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
No I'm simply asking you to gtfo, that's not trolling.
but you are cleary a $cio, fucking psycho :D
MelkorFXify 2 years ago
And you are a mamma's boy. I guess we are evn! :P
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
Well sure I am, since you're a $cio I guess you don't have a mom since they've either killed her or destroyed your relationship :)
ur cult is retarded
MelkorFXify 2 years ago
lmao! My cult is the reason you exist son. Now run along and play with your mask. lmao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
riiiiiiiiiight....
MelkorFXify 2 years ago
We've existed long before we struck a blow against your cult. Realize that we are not against your beliefs, only against the fraudulent and dangerous behavior of your "religious" leaders.
Once you finally see the light of what this cult is doing to you, once you're robbed of all your finances, once you're broken and alone, we're still be here on the outside to greet you back to reality.
We're fighting this monster for YOU.
3030anon 2 years ago 3
You are a 14 year old child. And all you kids do is talk. One day when you can grow hair on your face you will laugh embarrassingly at the fact that you once wore a stupid mask and danced like an idiot. But you are young now. Enjoy the game. lolol
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
Enjoy it like how brainwashed sheep like you enjoy Fair Game?
Don't worry, the day when you realize how wrong you are will come. It'll hurt you mentally and it will hurt you emotionally.
But once again, all your insults and blindness won't change the fact that when that day does come, and it will, we will still be here to help you readjust to reality.
We're not your enemy. Don't believe Miscavige's lies.
3030anon 2 years ago
Dear 3030. I have been in Scn since 1970. I have worked with DM many times. I hate to tell you this as I know how badly you wanted to beat us (why?) but we are just too big for you and WAY out of your league. Enjoy your bigotry. And halloween is coming so you will finally have an excuse to wear that mask without looking retarded. Google "Scientology Myths" to get a few answers to your confusions. Gotta run now. I have a BIG Scn class to attend.
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
You've got classes to go to?
Putting off getting to level OTVIII until your credit rating improves I can only assume.
pamew 2 years ago
pamew you must be new here so let me refresh the rules for you. 1. You dont speak to me unless I give you permission. 2. This will be tough for you but I only except comments that are at least in the double-digit IQ range. That means yours needs to come WAY up. Get back with me if you have any other questions. Otherwise ... shut your mouth. Thanks! : - D
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
Lol, you really are an awful troll.
Insults aimed at intellect only work on the truly moronic I'm afraid, so whilst I'm at it I'll just remind you that you're a dumbass and everyone on this video page has pretty much destroyed you, whilst you've been too busy writing "play with your mask lololololol!!!111!!" like a four year old to notice.
pamew 2 years ago
pamew so we have established that you are stupid. Ok I'll slow this down for you so that your mom can tell you what it means. " You dont speak to me unless you get my permission first". Should I write that in crayon so you get it? I can help you work this out if you need it. Ask your mom and get back to me.
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
Wow, you've actually moved into ad hominem attacks now, classy. 0/10
Also, how dare you, my parents are DEEAAAAAD.
pamew 2 years ago
pamew your folks arent dead? You are such a liar. You really think we are gonna believe that you knew who they were? Silly anon. Now get to school and leave the talk to the adults. Go on now. Shooo!!
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
Really? so somehow the deliberate elongation and capitalisation of the word "dead" told you I was being less than honest?
Also, poorly informed troll cannot detect memes.
pamew 2 years ago
No offense pamew. You are full of shit and I call them as I see them. You belong to a known religious hate group. You feel a need to try and take away another persons religious rights because you "believe" something bad happened. Well why dont you prove one of your claims? Or are you like all your bros meaning you cant? Im calling you out. Prove me wrong or just keep acting like you are smart. Your choice.
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
Furthermore, Anonymous are also not a religious hate group, they are merely protesting peacefully against a cult that hasn't even been given worldwide lawful recognition as a religion and is even being outlawed in Germany, with other countries following suit.
pamew 2 years ago
The Berlin church is booming. Sorry about that. (grin). According to YOUR "Anonymous Manifesto", your group calls itself a Death Cult and its purpose is to destroy for the fun of it. I think its time you shut your mouth and do your homework so you can learn the truth about your DYING group. They are under trial in Texas for racial hate crimes. Wake up!
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
Booming financially I assume. and it will get banned/ revoked as a religion worldwide in my lifetime.
Also, Anonymous has never referred to itself as a "death cult."
Any video or article saying so is not the work of anonymous, as their aims have been made clear and carried out thus far: Peaceful protest.
Also, love the use of "death cult." use a shock term with no backing that explains nothing, really classy.
pamew 2 years ago
Im afraid pamew that COS will be here long after you have passed. And it appears you are ignorant to your own group. There is an "Anonymous Manifesto" and it does state that anon calls itself the Death Cult. Look it up cupcake. Or are you afraid to?
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
I love it when you anon kids try to tell us " Oh those are the other anons" when we present your groups criminal intentions. There is only ONE anonymous and it is a criminal group. That also tells us abit about you and what you follow. Very classy.
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
Okay, first, if you're going to make your standard snotty bullshit ad hominem attacks and outright bullshit claims against me, at least have the decency to click the "reply" button.
1. There is no "anonymous manifesto" the PROTEST GROUP has one aim, which is the disbandment of Scientology. that is it.
2. As I said, the trial in texas was regarding people who happened to not leave their names when they wrote comments. that does not make them members of any group, dumbo.
pamew 2 years ago
The anonymous front group " Encyclopedia Dramatica" does in fact list the Anonymous Manifesto. If you had any idea of what you belong to you would know that. You are a member of a religious hate group therefore you are an enemy to mankind. And nobody buys your "its not us, it was the other anons" bullshit. Boy your folks must be proud! No wonder they split!!
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
1. I don't identify myself as an Anon, I've stated this.
2. Encyclopedia dramatica is a parody website. It makes both crude and subtle critiques of everything under the sun. I should know, I'm a member and help maintain the old girl along with a lot of other people.
It is not and never has been an "anonymous front group." in fact the article regarding the anonymous protest movement is just as humorously scathing as any other.
Fail all round again troll.
pamew 2 years ago
pamew you attack my religion yet you cant prove any of your claims. You openly lie about your backing of anonymous while knowing they are a religious hate group. You make more excuses for your criminal actions than any anon I have met so far. Are you on drugs? What would cause you to be so blind & destructive? Were you raised that way? Please explain yourself so that I better understand where your hatred comes from.
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
"always attack, never defend" is still in action then.
Great to see you failed to address the point that you didn't realise that ED is in fact a parody site.
No I don't use drugs.
Your "religion" hasn't even gotten global recognition as such.
I haven't committed any crimes throughout my life, totally clean record, yet ironically you're the one committing a crime - liable : written attacks on a persons character.
I'm also not an "anon", what with the fact my personal details are on here.
pamew 2 years ago
pamew I like how you tried to say that "always attack, never defend" is a bad thing. I guess your motto is to lie down and take your medicine? lmao. Nice try on the coverup of ED but its too late. And we both know cupcake that COS does have global recog. Dont you ever Google? lol. You failed. Be big about it and move on. You thought you would attack but instead you were set straight. Its not polite to mess with another's religious beliefs. Its criminal.
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
Actually it's not a criminal offence to protest against any form of religion, as long as it is done peacefully, which it has been.
As for failing, you're the one who somehow managed to realise that ED is a parody site that shows equal disdain for everyone.
I'm also going to point out right now that you are clearly a troll, as your name is a rather poor jab at tory/magoo.
pamew 2 years ago
Troll: A term used by anons when they feel cornered. And how proud your folks must be that you are part of a website that shows disdain for everybody. I cant wait to read your book where you tell us all what makes you so much better than others. We know its not your IQ that does it. (grin)
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
My name comes from a direct quote that Magoo made to me in LA when she was in Scn. She remembers it well which is why she blocks me in all her videos. I know of her crimes against her husband. Notice I didnt say the church? You should have seen what she did to her family. But what do you care? You are part of a group that hates family. Silly me.
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
ToryLRH, we are not a group. we are a collective of individuals. I'm a Steelers/ Penguins fan, I take no culpability if one another fan of my teams gets drunks and act like an arse. You and Val are unwilling to understand...or not allowed to understand. We are paid by big PHARMA, we don't all wear Guy Fawkes masks. We all don't like hockey, I do. We are not all liberals, i am....Seewhat I'm saying???
cheappassion 2 years ago
Cheap- anon is cool to KIDS. Its a kids group. You are part of a modern day Mickey Mouse club. Enjoy it. At least they are better than the Steelers! (grin).
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
anonymous is not an organized group. There's no sign up sheet, or long list of members. It's anyone who sees the abuses going on in the church of scientology and wants to stand up against it. Each anonymous person has their own way of protesting. Some anonymous don't get any further than just talking about it online. Others get involved in protests. Don't say one anonymous is like an another. They are all different individuals, not drones that follow someone else's orders.
DragonflyandTheWolf 2 years ago
Anonymous is a babysitting club for wanna -be's. A group of kids with no skill in life other than to talk big while hiding behind a keyboard. They are over. They were a joke and now folks are bored with them. You are gonna have to go back to "Barney" son. This ride is OVER! lol
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
They're over? Do they know that? Someone needs to tell them that the next time they throw a protest. They just had one recently if I recall. Trust me, hon, they are not over. And if all they are is a bunch of kids with no skill, then why do you call them criminals? Why does scientology fight so hard to take them down, if these no skill kids are only talk? Are they kids or dangerous criminals?
(btw, I know I have a gender neutral name, but I'm not a guy.)
DragonflyandTheWolf 2 years ago
Anon has had over 43 arrests. Trust me cupcake. They are over. Even Mark Bunker wants nothing to do with them. They have racial hate crime cases pending in Texas, and the last rally I drove by had 4 kids. 4 KIDS! Its over and you lost. But I still forgive you.
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
Where did you get the impression that Mark Bunker wants nothing to do with them? He did make a video advising them to refrain from illegal activities regarding Scientology, but he still supports their cause. And again, I don't think they know its over. Also, I am not Anonymous. I don't oppose Co$ under the guise of a mask or an anonymous screen name. I oppose Co$ openly.
DragonflyandTheWolf 2 years ago
How about YOU ask Mark why he doesnt want to be connected to anonymous. He likes the fact that you kids worship him. He LOVES that. But he will never join you. Wonder why? Hmmmm
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
The point of anonymous is that YOU are anonymous. Mark can't join anonymous because he openly protests scientology. But he does support anonymous as long as they do things legally. And Mark Bunker has been against Scientology long before anonymous came along.
DragonflyandTheWolf 2 years ago
Gee I wonder why Mark had to tell anonymous to do things legally. Maybe because they are criminal in nature? No wait! This is where you tell me there are good & bad anons right? And you say WE are brainwashed? Bunker doesnt want anything to do with a criminal group like anon. But it appears YOU do. Says alot about your standards I would say.
toryluvslrh2 2 years ago
So why does he support anonymous? Why did he make a video telling anonymous they are making a difference. Yes, there are anonymous that did break laws. I wont call them bad anons, but I will call them tactless. Co$ is ruthless against the people that oppose them. It seemed fair to some anons that they could be ruthless too. Besides, its not like Co$ never broke the law before. I can give you a few examples if you like.
DragonflyandTheWolf 2 yea