Can people stop arguing this is ridiculous,learn to love people. I'm Macedonian, and my best friend is Greek. My brother recently got asked to be a godfather to the son of his best friend who is also Greek. Everyone needs to just learn to live with what the countries are today. I don't understand tooo much about why everyone is arguing nor do I want to know, mainly because it is more than likely a ridiculous reason from the past that can't be solved either way. Stop Fighting. Life is too short.
Even Gotse Deltchev,the famous Macedonian revolutionary leader,whose nome de guerre was Ahil (Achilles) "refers to the Slavs of Macedonia as 'Bulgarians' in an offhanded manner without seeming to indicate that such a designation was a point of contention" (Perry 1988:23).In his correspondence Gotse Deltchev often states simple and clearly,"We are Bulgarians" (Mac Dermott 1978:192,273).
I am sorry for you , you are brainwashed . If it was like you say then 2.000.000 people lost their mind saying that they are Macedonians including me. I dont tink so , if there is litle truth in what are you saying than surely significant amount of people whould confirmate, as far i can see no one thinks the same sooo.......
HATERS FUCK YOU ALL WE HELPED YOU ALL FAGOOTS TO BILD YOUR OWN COUNTRY AND YOU PAY US BACK WITH THIS I HOPE THERE IS GOD AND HE WILL JUDGE ALL . AND I HOPE YOU BURN
@sfentonas88 hellenic, hahahha. What a funny name you call yourselves. You better use your internet for something more useful than spamming Macedonian videos, because soon you will lose your job and have no way to pay for internet or bread. Idiot.
@MKDforever77 what its obvious is that u are and u will be 4 ever liers u payd 150.000 euro to the slovenian parlamentary for voting "NO" for using the macedonian language in the europen parlament hahahaha what a shame u dieing for food u asking money on europa and look what u spand the money where? to corrupt the peoples why?i tel u why becouse ur story its stoled averything u have its stoled of the MACEDONIA.
Macedonia is Hellas Mакедония это Γреция مقدونيا هي اليونا Македония е гърция Macédoine est la Grèce Mazedonien ist Griechenland マケドニアは、ギリシャ Macedonia es Grecia 마케도니아는 그리스 MAKEDONIJA JE GRČKA МАКЕДОНИЈА ЈЕ ГРЧКА Македонія ото Греція Macedonia to Grecja Macedonia należy do Grecji
Macedonia is around 3000yrs old.Whether we are the slavs who invaded the land of Macedonia,or the slavs which integrated with the ancient population-either way we are proud to be 1 of; either direct descendants, or proud slavs who conquered the land&absorbed the ancient customs and traditions in a unique phenomenon called the Macedonian culture, we are and always will be Macedonians. Not Bulgarians, nor Serbian, and def not Greek (genetic tests conducted by third party spaniards who prove this!)
@svetlintomov86 on the Balkan territory you Bulgarian (Tatar Mongols) this is what you are. You are colonizers of Macedonian lands we have not got anything to anyone while you've got of us
Read a little history and discover the truth and then talk
The only Macedonia that was ever exits is the Macedonia of the great Alexander and that was and still is Greek. This is a fact proven historically and accepted by the scientific communities all over the world. STOP YOUR LIES. The real name of your country is Vardar Banovina and you are a mix of Albanians and Slavs .The claim that Macedonia is not Greek started at 1945. For the only thing we ,the Greeks, are accountable is that we didn't react on time to your propaganda.
@left77 yeah you wish. But it is not like that. Macedonians still exist. Don't believe me? Take a look at Google type "Republic of Macedonia". Just type
The Greek people and the Hellenic culture they represent have been around for 4,500 to 5,000 years. They are one of the oldest civilizations in history, and the oldest "modern" civilization on Earth. To deny that would be laughable in anybody's eyes. When a culture is around for that long, it tends to leave its mark. To say that Greece..some how stole the ancient Macedonian identity and payed historians for thousands of years to keep it quite is beyond ridiculous.
"Greeks do not want to violate the rights of the other nations, their attitude is just defensive. But the Bulgarian element is inspired by other intentions. It wants to be expanded in order to harm the Greek element in every means."
"Greeks just want to be protected from every violation of their historical and ethnological rights."
Two questions to all Skopians:1) Why did Alexander the Great send 300 panoplies, after the victorious battle against Persians, at the spiritual capital of Greeks, Athens, as presents to the Greek goddess Athena? 2) Why did he write this on the panoplies: "ALEXANDER OF PHILIP and GREEKS, except Spartans, from BARBARIANS who live in Asia"?? why didn't he mentioned the Macedonians? Because in the word GREEKS are concluded the Macedonians of course....
Our Makedonia does not have anything to do with the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonja (FYROM). Makedonia is a Greek historical region in northern Greece and the last 20 years created the state of FYROM.Has nothing to do with Greek history and terms of Makedonia!
achachacha what malakes and anistoriti iste achacha Macedonia is only one and it is the viewpoint GREEK GREECE YOU belong to you are put Slavs Aboard the sound after 6 aiona kleftes and pseftes σκοπια ειναι ελληνικα μαλακεσ σλαβοι
We recognize the republic of Macedonia we also recognize the historic Hellenic province Macedonia in the agean (Greece) which is much larger than the republic of Macedonia. The republic has no valid claim to the historic agean Macedonia nor claim on Alexander the great's Hellenic empire.
@vesna555 1st, you should really think about getting a new roof before you get all wet. 2nd, you can't just claim that you're right, when every history professor from every college & university in the world says you're wrong. And 3rd, you don't need to worry about Greece, they been around for 3,000 years. Worry about you're own slavic country that's only 10 years old ;)
@vesna555 Your country has been through a lot over the years. Changing leaders, changing names, and changing flags. You and your countrymen yearn for stability, it's understandable. So to get that stability, you claim to a past, a glorious past that you can hang your hat on and rebuild your country with. But stealing another country's history just to make your children proud of their country is and forever will be wrong.
@trisnna9801 its ovviosly u dont know any thing about the story so please dont speak for story or stealing for a stories becouse if some 1 stoled the story of our contry(MACEDONIA )its the grece and there are many proof's about that
1) the (ILIADA writen by OMER) its writen in the old macedonian language OF THE PELASGIES
2)the father of the grece's story (HERODOTH)says wery clear who are the Macedonians who are Greeks (ARAB, EGIPIANINS)
@Pr3d4torcf What's "obvious" is that you have a very low education level. Since you clearly get all your information from your nation's propaganda websites. I'm not going to answer all your silly claims because it would be a waste of my time...but I'll answer a couple of them. #1) "The Iliad" is an epic poem in dactylic hexameters, traditionally attributed to Homer. "The Iliad" contains over 15,000 lines, and is written in Homeric Greek, a literary amalgam of Ionic Greek with other dialects.
@Pr3d4torcf #2) Herodotus (and Thucydides) regarded the Macedonians as northern Greeks, barbarians, or an intermediate group between "pure" Greeks and barbarians. For Herodotus, Hellenicity and ethnicity were firmly bounded and culturally determined categories. In his Histories, Herodotus recalls a reliable tradition whereby the Dorians were formed by a fusion of Macedonian and other Greek tribes, suggesting that Macedonians were Greeks.
@trisnna9801 want the truth then read about these historians:
Herodoth, Platon, Sokrat, Demosthenes, Cesarij, Prisok, ProkopieTeofan, Mirakul, Demetri L, Strabo, and if you still want to tell me that I make a list and once discovered the truth u will shame of what u writen here I am certain that never again write such nonsense things
@vesna555 I'm curious where you learned your history, because it seems like a revisionary history. Changing it to fit your needs. You have a great history, a 1,500 year old Slavic history, that for some reason you choose to ignore.
@vesna555 By the way. You talk about the truth, but I really don't think you want to know the truth. Because if you really knew the truth, that would mean that your own country was lying to you for all these year. And as tough as you think you are.....I don't think you could handle that. Sorry.
@trisnna9801 Dear friend, the world know the history very well. Macedonia does not need to yield in the dispute with Greece and that it is a victim of the European conspiracies from the start of the 20th century. for example proves that Greece never possessed Macedonian territories before 1912-13. Not in ancient times, not in Roman times, not in Slav times, not even in Ottoman times. Only after breaking International law in 1912-13 during the Balkan Wars....
@trisnna9801 ......together with Bulgaria, Serbia and Montenegro it occupied and annexed Macedonia, Thrace and Epirus. On that basis Greece stole Macedonian territories, because this was done against international law.
This historic connection is completely independent of Macedonia’s right to self-determination. All people in the world have the right to self-determination. Macedonia too has that right and should decide on its own about its identity and name. No one has the right to interfere.
@vesna555 I'm afraid my friend that you are a victim of your nations brainwashing. The land in question, with its modern capital at Skopje, was called Paionia in antiquity. Mts. Barnous and Orbelos (which form today the northern limits of Greece) provide a natural barrier that separated, and separates, Macedonia from its northern neighbor. The only real connection is along the Axios/Vardar River and even this valley does not form a line of communication because it is divided by gorges.
@vesna555 While it is true that the Paionians were subdued by Philip II, father of Alexander, in 358 B.C. they were not Macedonians and did not live in Macedonia. Likewise, for example, the Egyptians, who were subdued by Alexander, may have been ruled by Macedonians, including the famous Cleopatra, but they were never Macedonians themselves, and Egypt was never called Macedonia.
@vesna555 Rather, Macedonia and Macedonian Greeks have been located for at least 2,500 years just where the modern Greek province of Macedonia is. Exactly this same relationship is true for Attica and Athenian Greeks, Argos and Argive Greeks, Corinth and Corinthian Greeks, etc.
@trisnna9801 From the cradle of Europe, especially from the cradle of democratic principles, Greece needs to be held responsible for the truth and for justice. The European Commission knows that. If it continues to support Greece with its false solidarity, then there must exist larger interests behind the scenes. I believe that in the background are the Balkan Wars and relations between the Balkan League and the Entente before World War I.Dear @trisnna9801 I want we become friends :)
@vesna555 I too would like to be friends, but when I see school maps that show the pseudo-greater Macedonia, stretching from Skopje to Mt. Olympus and labeled in Slavic. The same map and its claims are in calendars, bumper stickers, bank notes, etc., that have been circulating in the new state ever since it declared its independence from Yugoslavia in 1991. Why would a poor land-locked new state attempt such historical nonsense? Why would it brazenly mock and provoke its neighbor?
@vesna555 The traditions of ancient Paionia could be adopted by the current residents of that geographical area with considerable justification. But the extension of the geographic term “Macedonia” to cover southern Yugoslavia cannot. Even in the late 19th century, this misuse implied unhealthy territorial aspirations. You do have the right to name yourselves what ever you what. But putting your flag on Greek pictures and claiming them as your own is wrong in any part of the world.
@trisnna9801 Try reading something by Pierre Jouguet ,Werner Jaeger, N.G.L.Hammond, Peter Green, E.Badian or Eugene Borza. They all have Ph.Ds and say YOU are wrong!
@MacedonianVengeance Getting your information from your country's website is not exactly what I would call receiving a higher education. Misrepresenting history professors, by taking bits and pieces of books they wrote and not telling the whole story, just to mislead your own people is pathetic and sad.
@MacedonianVengeance Wow. Is that it? I have to admit I'm a little disappointed. I thought you might be able to answer some of my questions. All you're doing is redirecting answers. I appreciate that you don't stoop to cursing like a lot of people on this debate, but the fact that you chose the word "vengeance" in your name tells me you're more of a passive-aggressive type of personality. So you wouldn't be able to answer my questions anyway, because the answers are already made up in your mind.
@MacedonianVengeance By the way, can you tell me who's quote this is?....."Those unable to honestly debate depend on the following tactics: name calling, changing the subject, false premise, hearsay, sloganeering, playing on widely held fantasies, stereotyping, scapegoating." Thanks.
@MacedonianVengeance (Ph.D) Hammond “We must remember too that Philip and Alexander WERE GREEKS, descended from Heracles;they wished to be recognized by the Greeks as benefactors of the Greeks, even as Heracles had been"
(Ph.D) Borza "The macedonians themselves may have originated from the same population pool that produced other Greek peoples."
@MacedonianVengeance Indeed. With these references I am not trying to bring evidences about the "ethnicity" of Macedonians. There hundreds maybe thousands of modern historians that have dealt with Macdonian history but in their books they just write their opinion. Some of them imply that Macedonians are something else than greeks but this is just a presumption, a hypothesis with no strong evidence to support.
@MacedonianVengeance You have to admit though that most of them, if not all, place Macedonia within the Hellenic world and Macedonians within the Hellenic race. This is bcs it is difficult to interpret differently Herodotus when he writes that Alexander was shouting "I am Greek". I am not trying to convince you for something you don't believe. I am just trying to tell you that Greeks have strong reasons to believe what they believe and not all of them is POV on the contrary....
@MacedonianVengeance you have to admit though that most of them, if not all, place Macedonia within the Hellenic world and Macedonians within the Hellenic race. This is bcs is difficult to interpret Herodotus differently when he writes that Alexander was shouting "I am Greek". I am not trying to make believe something you don't. I am just trying to show you that Greeks have strong reasons to believe what they believe and not all of them is POV
@MacedonianVengeance and by saying that Bora disputes Hammond but what Hammond wrote before is true, for me, this is kind of bullshit. I mean, you select info that proves your point emitting info that doesn't fit your theory. I think this is POV and this is the reason things have turned in that way
@trisnna9801 I am not talking about the emergence of Homo Sapiens but to one of the genetic bottlenecks that occured. This why humans have less genetic diversity as opposed to apes.
@MacedonianVengeance Here's a quote from one of your Ph.Ds, Eugene Borza, "Modern Macedonia has no relation with ancient Macedonia". But you would never now that, because unlike me, you don't read his work. You rather let your nation's website tell you what to think. Let me tell you something else too. Every other name you gave me is the same story. So let me ask you a question. Why would your nation's website leave that part out? I think we both know that answer.
@trisnna9801 In this Eugene Borza was quoting Malcolm Errington’s position and later debunks it! In my latest video I scanned a page from Borza’s book that Greeks frequently misquote or take out of context.
@MacedonianVengeance (Ph.D) Peter Green ”In less than four years he had transformed Macedonia from a backward and primitive kingdom ”’to one of the most powerful states in the Greek world”.
(Ph.D) E. Badian: “We have now become accustomed to regarding MACEDONIANS as northern GREEKS’ and, in extreme cases, to hearing Alexander’s conquests described as in essence GREEK CONQUESTS. The former CERTAINLY became TRUE, in Greek consciousness in the course of the Hellenistic age;
@trisnna9801 3)Platon in his manuscript says apologizes to Homer for having changed many things in Iliada
4)now the whole world knows that Greece has stolen the history of Macedonia. just read by many historians of the world that tells the truth of what dr.Borza, Fallmerajer, Waigall, Arrian, Dankovsky, Wels, Muler, Szulc, Sweets, Heichelheim, and many others
@trisnna9801 the greeks says that Aleksandar Macedonian(the greath)its greek watch these video what the english historians think about that h.tt.p://w.w.w.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg4Nm6Cyptc
or ask the IGENEA what thay think about the greeks ,albanians bulgarians and macedonians
@Pr3d4torcf #3)IGENEA? What a joke. Not only had Arnaiz-Villena & coworkers misused the genetic approach but also falsified historical perspectives to base their hypothesis. Their conclusions suffer from misquotations of scientific and historical citations as well as inaccurate statements without any historical and ancient documentation. The misquotation of Herodotus by these authors is notable and really unfortunate. As a result, the Arnaiz-Villena and coworkers study was totally discredited.
@trisnna9801 u cal ur self elinas do u know why? i tell u becouse ma peoples given u that name
u know what that mean? i tell u elinas=foreign u know why ? i tel u becouse u com from Egypt .
U talk about "obvious" hahahahahahahaah a agency like a IGENEA (1 of the most important agency in the forld)for u its its just a joke tel me the answer on the question (what NACIONALITY was ALEKSANDAR THE GREAT)POSTED ON A NACIONAL TV(CHELLENGE) IN ENGLAND AT 19 AUGUST with the answerOBBVIOSLY(MACEDONIAN)
@Pr3d4torcf You're an uneducated loser that can't spell to save his life. The lazy producers of that dumb "game" show didn't do there research well enough, and have apologized since. And maybe in FYROM...IGENEA is considered one of the most important agencies in the world. But for the rest of the planet and scientific community, they're a laughing stock that brought shame and embarrassment to the field of human genetics.
@trisnna9801 i dont have a time to spend here with u .But what 's missing to u unfortunately doesent exist in sall .just 1 thing if Alekdandar the great was greek why he burn Teba?
what kind of greek king he was to burn hes own people??
im shore that with ur arrogance u will find a answer for these question.
the famous philosof Ingersol say's: normaly the 1 who dont know nothing is the 1 who speak(balls)ù
@trisnna9801 edna e makedonia : MACEDONIA IS 1 FROM EVER AND FOR EVER :) WE ANS JUST WE ARE THE SONS OF ALEKSANDER THE GREAT NO GREEKS NO BULGARIN NO ALBANIAN JUST WE AND ONLY WE FOR EVER AND EVER MACEDONIA .GOD BLES MY COUNTRY GOD BLES MACEDONIA
@trisnna9801 dont make of you idiot on 2011 ! its soo easy goo too see what the father of greek history say abaut Macedonian and Greeks , Herodod its soo simple , and wy you called GREEKS? I will tell you ,Greeks ion Macedonian antic language means (new arrivals,refugees,foreign).and goo too see what say Platon? i will tell you (whan aleksandar speake the greeks not understanding hem !but i dont know how you have a brave too speake just bullshit here,and you never take a book in hand.
@MrMAKEDONEC80 What is this? Talk to a retard day? I'm not going to talk to another moron that can't get his words out clearly. Clean up what you wrote to me and send it again, so I can understand it and send you a proper response. Thank you.
@trisnna9801 Roof? Greece is a discrace of europe. you need to worry about getting enough food to feed yourselves you broke asses. and about the history professors, you could not be more wrong. i studied ancient european history. you got your knowledge from your greek farmer parents that left greece with their 3rd grade education. I am and will die a MAKEDONEC.
@macedonNYC Don't kid yourself about your knowledge of ancient European history. Not one history professor ever told you that Macedon wasn't part of the Hellenic world, so stop dreaming and start in bracing your Slavic heritage. You steal ancient historic heroes from Greece and modern historic heroes from Bulgaria just to fabricate a history for yourself. And about you studying ancient history? If you did it yourself, then you lost something in the translation. From collage, get your money back.
@trisnna9801 "PART OF THE HELLENIC WORLD"? ofcourse it was, it was right next to it. so in 100 years, puerto ricans will not exist, they will just be American right. im going to makedonija in 3 days, if your nice, maybe ill go across the border and give you a pice of bread you broke ass.
@macedonNYC And making fun of Greece's economic problems, which every country is going through right know...still won't make you an ancestor of the ancient Macedonians. Or change the fact that a person from Greece makes 3 times more money then a person from FYROM does. In fact, FYROM is one of the poorest countries in all of Europe, so stop making uninformed statements that don't deal with reality.
@trisnna9801 oh, so some slavic tribes came south and killed all the powerfull macedonians. and that is what i am? think about this, it makes no sense
@macedonNYC This is exactly why I know you never studied this history. The Slavic speaking people came to this region around 7th A.D., and not even in Macedonia. They settled in Paeonia. "Skopje" was not a part of Macedonia in the lifetime of Alexander the Great, or for more than a century after that. In fact, the territory of the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia was not (except for a sliver on its southern border) a part of Macedonia.
@macedonNYC At that time it was called Paeonia, its inhabitants were the Paeonians, and their kings issued coinage in their own names, thus showing their independence from Macedonia. When the Romans conquered Greece in the 2nd century B.C. they created a large new administrative area to which they gave the name of Macedonia, because that was its principal component, and Paeonia was added to the enlarged Macedonia at this time.
@macedonNYC Before this, Skopje was not in Macedonia, but part of a separate kingdom. That is why the claim that is being made by the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia to be the successor of the kingdom of Philip II and Alexander III is false. But if you truly knew history, you would already know this...but you don't know history and that's why you can't comprehend it.
Broke ass?You monkeydonians,live from HELLAS!If Greece close the borders to you you will eat each other!xaxaxa.You are so pathetic litlle monkeys.xaxaxa
@sfentonas88 Broke. Bankruptcy. Homosexuality. Strike. Administrative cuts. Protest. Closing. Bailout. All of these are words that come out of greece. Homosexuality: deriving from the greek word homos, which was first discovered when the dark skinned people came to europe from africa, and began having sex with people of the same gender. THAT MEANS YOU FAG!
@nmt1969 yeah but why u call a place makedonia and not with the name that greeks have for that name ? PEONIA ! , makedonia is under peonia , peonia starts after makedonian mountains which fyrom holds like 10% of the sum ... easily one understands why thieves prefer makedonia rather peonia ...
KUGE AJDE PRAVETE POVEKE VAKVI KRATKI FILMOVI I ISTO I PODOLGI DOKUMENTARCI I STO I DA E ZA MAKEDONIJA IMAME PREUBAVI DELOVI I SNIMAJTE PRAVITE NESTO MAKEDONIJA !!
WHAT HAVE COMMON TO OUR MACEDONIA? Macedonia was 2000 years ago in Skopje was 500 years ago! WHAT HAVE COMMON TO OUR MACEDONIA? MACEDONIANS ARE THE GREEKS LIVING IN GREECE IN THESSALONIKI IN PELLA IN NORTHERN GREECE! YOU ARE BULGARIA AND ALBANIA SERBS Gypsy! CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO MACEDONIA ALEXANDER Filippos; YOU HAVE NOT PASTFUTURE NOT HAVE NOT HAVE HISTORY YOU steal GREEK HISTORY TO MY STORY!
Macedonia is one and is greece...you are bulgarians whats your problem?Your language is bulgarian your coultoure also you are here only for a few hundred years pure balkanians...wake up!
If you are Macedonian translate something from ARRIANOS... Arrianos was Greek and he was the only man who write about the Alexander the Great and his empire! If you can understand or translate something from Arrianos you are MACEDONIAN, but you cannot because you are not!!! I AM MACEDONIAN!!! I LIVE IN MACEDONIA AND I AM GREEK!!! YOU ARE SKOPJIAN YOUR COUNTRY WAS NAMED VARDARSKA AND YOU ARE SLAVS!!!
@borokace Yes it is fagot big slav ashole sheep fucker!Alexandros is a greek word Filipos is a greek word Vergina is a greek word sarisa is greek also Ifestionas is also greek and Olympiada the mother of Alexandros greek also!!!!!Stupidofsky...!
WTF is this O.O get a life buddy,,, and put that in your thick heads "You are Slavs" just like bulgarians, serbitches, monteniggerians, croatians and bosnians..before you get another bigg VETO lol
Поклон пред героите на Майка България, загинали за свободата на Одринска тракия, Македония, Беломорието, Западните покрайнини, Северна добруджа, България не ще ви забрави и ще ви тачи на всички кътчета по света където е жив духа български !!!
Show what the slavs did to the Greeks when they were turkish, nazi and communist collaborators-This is an american backed propoganda film. Read history. These people are not Greek, they are slavs-They came 1000 years after Alexander and the Macedonians into the area-Why dont they adopt a slavic name instead of stealing a Greek word?
Macedonia is a Greek word as is its history-Anyone claiming to be Macedonian but say they are not Greek are stealing the history of Macedonia which is Greek-Read History books
face it fucking bulgarian in denial!!!!!!!northmacedonia the country!identity northmacedonian!language northmacedonian!every official document out and inside will be northmacedonian!the code mk will become NM AND THE 126 COUNTRIES THAT RECOGNISED YOU WILL CHANGE ACCORDING TO THE DECISION OF THE UN!!!!ENJOY THE HUGE COCK UNTIL YOUY DIE BLEEDING!!!!
for all of you with a gap on macedonian history...read before commenting and backup your thought with facts, not just pasting some third guys view on the matter who have seen macedonia only on paper, map whatever...
are you people who are fighting and insulting each other with some slower brain functions..how can you fight over something that is more than hundred years ago...it wont change anything!!! we will still be the same people as we are now.. a few thoughts before signinng out...Instead of changing the past we should try changing the present...starting with our selves..There are only two things Infinite, that is the universe and man's stupidity...and we are not sure about the universe: P A.Einstein
said this on another post PLEASE macedonian people, stop the muslim shiptars!! you know what im talkin about what are they doing?look what happened to poor Serbia,will you agree to an independant shiptar state in macedon? they come in and then go to work,my dear old EX-COUNTRY.....england is gone now.i do not feel its mine anymore,it is a new republic of EVERYONE! do not let the muslims gain control,it will be the end of your ways,traditions, and identity.stop them before its too late please!!
yeah right, macedonia is greek, macedonia is bulgarian, macedonia is serbian, macedonia is "ilirida" shiptarian.... bla bla bla, this is bullshit, dogshit whatever you want fascists... Macedonia is MACEDONIAN, and thats just it, deal with it, sooner you will better will be... This claiming of all 4 of you thats macedonia is yours its just proof how right we are, so go on, go on with proving that macedonia is ONLY MACEDONIAN!!!!
I know that Macedonia is one.. you are Bulgarian :D
PaokOrDead 1 month ago
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MACEDONIA 4 EVER FUCK GAYGREEK MACEDONIA UNITED
HELL ASS
MAKEDONIJA903 1 month ago
Can people stop arguing this is ridiculous,learn to love people. I'm Macedonian, and my best friend is Greek. My brother recently got asked to be a godfather to the son of his best friend who is also Greek. Everyone needs to just learn to live with what the countries are today. I don't understand tooo much about why everyone is arguing nor do I want to know, mainly because it is more than likely a ridiculous reason from the past that can't be solved either way. Stop Fighting. Life is too short.
ZaspanaUbavica 3 months ago
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@ZaspanaUbavica yeah too short for falcifications of history..u can NOT be MAKEDON from FYROM!!
U ARE VARDARSKAN....ANTIQUE DARDANIAN OR PAIONIAN BUT U WAS NOT EVEN THERE WHEN THOSE NAMES WAS ACTUALL.......THAT ALL U ARE...
kostasdania 3 months ago
Is one and is in Greece.
shockolanu 5 months ago 3
Maкедонија <333333
martinmkd12 5 months ago
@martinmkd12
your mothers
sfentonas88 4 months ago 2
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Even Gotse Deltchev,the famous Macedonian revolutionary leader,whose nome de guerre was Ahil (Achilles) "refers to the Slavs of Macedonia as 'Bulgarians' in an offhanded manner without seeming to indicate that such a designation was a point of contention" (Perry 1988:23).In his correspondence Gotse Deltchev often states simple and clearly,"We are Bulgarians" (Mac Dermott 1978:192,273).
JIMY45GR 5 months ago
this video makes me laugh
emilpenkov969 5 months ago
MACEDONIA ONLY TO MACEDONIANS
pavlearsovski 5 months ago
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@pavlearsovski
your mothers
sfentonas88 4 months ago 2
"ANCIENT MACEDONIA WAS - AND STILL IS - A PROVINCE
OF GREECE. THE ANCIENT MACEDONIANS WERE OF
GREEK ORIGIN."
[Dr.Stephen Batchelor, 'The Ancient Greeks for Dummies']
HaggisMacfee 5 months ago
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F.O.R.G. (Former OTTOMAN Republic of Greece)...
If the Ottoman fathers of FORG kisses them again, they may convert to a FROG. :o) again.
81lion81 5 months ago
Slavs, that does not exist that is a lie, history will be rewriten , that is for sure . Maybe not now but in near future it will .
MrImmortalTT 6 months ago
yes it is one and it is Hellenic(Greek) not Slavic or Balcanic like u
teoseleo 6 months ago
@niksule
I am sorry for you , you are brainwashed . If it was like you say then 2.000.000 people lost their mind saying that they are Macedonians including me. I dont tink so , if there is litle truth in what are you saying than surely significant amount of people whould confirmate, as far i can see no one thinks the same sooo.......
MrImmortalTT 6 months ago
@theinfinatetroll Yes they are, but we can't just sit back and let the deception go on. Even if they do need an identity more then we do.
trisnna9801 7 months ago
HATERS FUCK YOU ALL WE HELPED YOU ALL FAGOOTS TO BILD YOUR OWN COUNTRY AND YOU PAY US BACK WITH THIS I HOPE THERE IS GOD AND HE WILL JUDGE ALL . AND I HOPE YOU BURN
MrImmortalTT 7 months ago
@MrImmortalTT
Ok,now suck my HELLENIC dick,you Monkeydonian!xaxaxa.Your nothing else but a bastard type of 'HUMAN'
sfentonas88 4 months ago
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@sfentonas88 No No suck MY dick , you FAGOT FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG FAG
MrImmortalTT 4 months ago
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@sfentonas88 hellenic, hahahha. What a funny name you call yourselves. You better use your internet for something more useful than spamming Macedonian videos, because soon you will lose your job and have no way to pay for internet or bread. Idiot.
TheGoose31 4 months ago
MACEDONIA IS GREECE !
FUCK YOU VARDARS !
SERBIA IS WITH GREEK BROTHERS !
serbia1389cccc 7 months ago 2
@serbia1389cccc
Odi ebi se mrsnik eden
MrImmortalTT 7 months ago
@MrImmortalTT Da se ebe6 ti mongol! Grcia i Srbia do krai!!
Dm3os1 6 months ago
@Dm3os1
Што викаш со педери со педери се дружат . Оди испушете си го по еднаш
MrImmortalTT 6 months ago
@MrImmortalTT Mislime to4no tebe da ebem.Va6ite dni sa prebroeni genitsar
Dm3os1 6 months ago
@Dm3os1
Нашите денови се преброени , хахахахах ако можеш да изброиш до бесконечно тогаш е вистина.
Поздрав.
MrImmortalTT 5 months ago
@serbia1389cccc edna rakia pia za teb brat.Grk sum, omujen za srbkinia, jiveem v Germania.Vsi4ko hubavo!!
Dm3os1 6 months ago
What's up, fyroMONKEYS ?
Panopticum2 7 months ago
MAKEONIA FOREVER IN MY HEART !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1papain 8 months ago
MACEDONIA TIMELESS !
MKDforever77 8 months ago
@MKDforever77 what its obvious is that u are and u will be 4 ever liers u payd 150.000 euro to the slovenian parlamentary for voting "NO" for using the macedonian language in the europen parlament hahahaha what a shame u dieing for food u asking money on europa and look what u spand the money where? to corrupt the peoples why?i tel u why becouse ur story its stoled averything u have its stoled of the MACEDONIA.
How many times changed grece the name ?
How many times Macedonia changed the name ?
Pr3d4torcf 8 months ago
@Pr3d4torcf .!. :)
MKDforever77 8 months ago
3llhneimai 8 months ago
Macedonia is around 3000yrs old.Whether we are the slavs who invaded the land of Macedonia,or the slavs which integrated with the ancient population-either way we are proud to be 1 of; either direct descendants, or proud slavs who conquered the land&absorbed the ancient customs and traditions in a unique phenomenon called the Macedonian culture, we are and always will be Macedonians. Not Bulgarians, nor Serbian, and def not Greek (genetic tests conducted by third party spaniards who prove this!)
cvetankulakovski 8 months ago 2
@cvetankulakovski
[John V A Fine, 'The Ancient Greeks a Critical History',
Harvard University Press, 1983, pp. 605-608]
"Modern scholars, after many generations
of argument, now almost UNANIMOUSLY
recognise them [Macedonians] as GREEKS -
a branch of the Dorians and 'north-west Greeks',
who after long residence in the Pindus region
migrated eastwards."
HaggisMacfee 5 months ago
MAKEDONIA E EDNA,EDNA OTKRADNATA OT BULGARIA ZEMIA!!PREDATELI!
svetlintomov86 9 months ago
@svetlintomov86 on the Balkan territory you Bulgarian (Tatar Mongols) this is what you are. You are colonizers of Macedonian lands we have not got anything to anyone while you've got of us
Read a little history and discover the truth and then talk
Pr3d4torcf 8 months ago
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Real Macedonia?
Animation for MonkeyDonians
watch?v=qSuEfi4NX5I
macedonianimation 9 months ago
YES MACEDONIA IS ONE AND IS GREEK 100%
LIVE WITH IT!!!
kostasdania 10 months ago
this song brings me to tears-yes, our Makedonia is one !!!!!!!!!!!!!
1papain 11 months ago
The only Macedonia that was ever exits is the Macedonia of the great Alexander and that was and still is Greek. This is a fact proven historically and accepted by the scientific communities all over the world. STOP YOUR LIES. The real name of your country is Vardar Banovina and you are a mix of Albanians and Slavs .The claim that Macedonia is not Greek started at 1945. For the only thing we ,the Greeks, are accountable is that we didn't react on time to your propaganda.
left77 11 months ago
@left77 yeah you wish. But it is not like that. Macedonians still exist. Don't believe me? Take a look at Google type "Republic of Macedonia". Just type
nitroflesh 11 months ago
macedonia is Greece !!
ThracianRhodope 11 months ago
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The Greek people and the Hellenic culture they represent have been around for 4,500 to 5,000 years. They are one of the oldest civilizations in history, and the oldest "modern" civilization on Earth. To deny that would be laughable in anybody's eyes. When a culture is around for that long, it tends to leave its mark. To say that Greece..some how stole the ancient Macedonian identity and payed historians for thousands of years to keep it quite is beyond ridiculous.
trisnna9801 11 months ago 2
Oops!! Sorry about that. You seem to smart to make a mistake like that. I figured you forgot to press an extra zero or something. My apologies :)
trisnna9801 1 year ago
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National Geographic maps of the Balkans states 1915 - 2006. FYROM: HOW A LIE BECOME TRUE
/watch?v=Q36tSlVBlvU
ypruss 1 year ago
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Well maybe Alexanders horse spoked like pritski,mitski,fuckitski,but not Alexander.hahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Have you found anything written in pritski,mitski,fuckitski????????
Not,,only in greek
Deformedius 1 year ago
ISMAIL KEMAL 1901-2,
"Greeks do not want to violate the rights of the other nations, their attitude is just defensive. But the Bulgarian element is inspired by other intentions. It wants to be expanded in order to harm the Greek element in every means."
"Greeks just want to be protected from every violation of their historical and ethnological rights."
GrowUPist 1 year ago
Slobodan Casule
Foreign Minister of The FYROM
said that he mentioned to the Foreign Minister of Bulgaria Solomon Pasi
that they belong to the same Slav people.
GrowUPist 1 year ago
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LESSON OF HISTORY
.
Kiro Gligorov 1st President
"we are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians" but we are Slavs.
That's who we are!
=== Now all Slavs gypsies say with me ...
WE ARE SLAVS WE ARE SLAV_GYPSIES...
LEFT_OVERS...THAT WHAT WE ARE !
LOLOLOL
GrowUPist 1 year ago
Two questions to all Skopians:1) Why did Alexander the Great send 300 panoplies, after the victorious battle against Persians, at the spiritual capital of Greeks, Athens, as presents to the Greek goddess Athena? 2) Why did he write this on the panoplies: "ALEXANDER OF PHILIP and GREEKS, except Spartans, from BARBARIANS who live in Asia"?? why didn't he mentioned the Macedonians? Because in the word GREEKS are concluded the Macedonians of course....
I am waiting serious answers.....
greekphalanx 1 year ago
..FOR ANYONE WHO IS NOT A GREEK OR SCOPIAN..
search on youtube : GLIGOROF WE ARE SLAVS
AND SEE A SCOPIAN PRESIDENT TO SAY THE TRUTH
pazarimen 1 year ago
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SAY WHAT?
WATCH IT FROM START TO END
youtube.com/watch?v=3wwXOmFHqts
youtube.com/watch?v=aZvbQXYvJ_A
DID U ENJOY IT AS MUTCH AS I DID?
kostasdania 1 year ago
MACEDONIA IS GREEK / HELLENIC
unfukkkmee 1 year ago
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гледа во нашата Македонија само од фотографии, бидејќи да живеат таму, не е, прашам што се случи со вашите предци во 1904 и 1949 .... хахаха
kassiopi65 1 year ago
Yes I agree, Macedonia is one and that is Greek,as is the word. Any non-Greeks calling themselves Macedonian are THIEFS!!!
5hitter 1 year ago
fuck the vouryaroos fucfin gypsyees want a bes
augie9237 1 year ago
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Our Makedonia does not have anything to do with the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonja (FYROM). Makedonia is a Greek historical region in northern Greece and the last 20 years created the state of FYROM.Has nothing to do with Greek history and terms of Makedonia!
zygste 1 year ago
achachacha what malakes and anistoriti iste achacha Macedonia is only one and it is the viewpoint GREEK GREECE YOU belong to you are put Slavs Aboard the sound after 6 aiona kleftes and pseftes σκοπια ειναι ελληνικα μαλακεσ σλαβοι
john33665 1 year ago
As an American diplomat said on a YouTube clip.
We recognize the republic of Macedonia we also recognize the historic Hellenic province Macedonia in the agean (Greece) which is much larger than the republic of Macedonia. The republic has no valid claim to the historic agean Macedonia nor claim on Alexander the great's Hellenic empire.
nmt1969 1 year ago
@nmt1969
My roof on my house is older than America.
Have a nice day american diplomat !
vesna555 1 year ago
@vesna555 1st, you should really think about getting a new roof before you get all wet. 2nd, you can't just claim that you're right, when every history professor from every college & university in the world says you're wrong. And 3rd, you don't need to worry about Greece, they been around for 3,000 years. Worry about you're own slavic country that's only 10 years old ;)
trisnna9801 1 year ago 24
@trisnna9801 I think it is time for you to learn history, not yours, but real history - the truth.
vesna555 1 year ago
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trisnna9801 1 year ago
@vesna555 Your country has been through a lot over the years. Changing leaders, changing names, and changing flags. You and your countrymen yearn for stability, it's understandable. So to get that stability, you claim to a past, a glorious past that you can hang your hat on and rebuild your country with. But stealing another country's history just to make your children proud of their country is and forever will be wrong.
trisnna9801 1 year ago 32
@trisnna9801 its ovviosly u dont know any thing about the story so please dont speak for story or stealing for a stories becouse if some 1 stoled the story of our contry(MACEDONIA )its the grece and there are many proof's about that
1) the (ILIADA writen by OMER) its writen in the old macedonian language OF THE PELASGIES
2)the father of the grece's story (HERODOTH)says wery clear who are the Macedonians who are Greeks (ARAB, EGIPIANINS)
Pr3d4torcf 8 months ago
@Pr3d4torcf What's "obvious" is that you have a very low education level. Since you clearly get all your information from your nation's propaganda websites. I'm not going to answer all your silly claims because it would be a waste of my time...but I'll answer a couple of them. #1) "The Iliad" is an epic poem in dactylic hexameters, traditionally attributed to Homer. "The Iliad" contains over 15,000 lines, and is written in Homeric Greek, a literary amalgam of Ionic Greek with other dialects.
trisnna9801 8 months ago 5
@Pr3d4torcf #2) Herodotus (and Thucydides) regarded the Macedonians as northern Greeks, barbarians, or an intermediate group between "pure" Greeks and barbarians. For Herodotus, Hellenicity and ethnicity were firmly bounded and culturally determined categories. In his Histories, Herodotus recalls a reliable tradition whereby the Dorians were formed by a fusion of Macedonian and other Greek tribes, suggesting that Macedonians were Greeks.
trisnna9801 8 months ago 2
@trisnna9801 want the truth then read about these historians:
Herodoth, Platon, Sokrat, Demosthenes, Cesarij, Prisok, ProkopieTeofan, Mirakul, Demetri L, Strabo, and if you still want to tell me that I make a list and once discovered the truth u will shame of what u writen here I am certain that never again write such nonsense things
Pr3d4torcf 8 months ago
@vesna555 I'm curious where you learned your history, because it seems like a revisionary history. Changing it to fit your needs. You have a great history, a 1,500 year old Slavic history, that for some reason you choose to ignore.
trisnna9801 1 year ago 3
@vesna555 By the way. You talk about the truth, but I really don't think you want to know the truth. Because if you really knew the truth, that would mean that your own country was lying to you for all these year. And as tough as you think you are.....I don't think you could handle that. Sorry.
trisnna9801 1 year ago
@trisnna9801 Dear friend, the world know the history very well. Macedonia does not need to yield in the dispute with Greece and that it is a victim of the European conspiracies from the start of the 20th century. for example proves that Greece never possessed Macedonian territories before 1912-13. Not in ancient times, not in Roman times, not in Slav times, not even in Ottoman times. Only after breaking International law in 1912-13 during the Balkan Wars....
vesna555 1 year ago
@trisnna9801 ......together with Bulgaria, Serbia and Montenegro it occupied and annexed Macedonia, Thrace and Epirus. On that basis Greece stole Macedonian territories, because this was done against international law.
This historic connection is completely independent of Macedonia’s right to self-determination. All people in the world have the right to self-determination. Macedonia too has that right and should decide on its own about its identity and name. No one has the right to interfere.
vesna555 1 year ago
@vesna555 I'm afraid my friend that you are a victim of your nations brainwashing. The land in question, with its modern capital at Skopje, was called Paionia in antiquity. Mts. Barnous and Orbelos (which form today the northern limits of Greece) provide a natural barrier that separated, and separates, Macedonia from its northern neighbor. The only real connection is along the Axios/Vardar River and even this valley does not form a line of communication because it is divided by gorges.
trisnna9801 1 year ago
@vesna555 While it is true that the Paionians were subdued by Philip II, father of Alexander, in 358 B.C. they were not Macedonians and did not live in Macedonia. Likewise, for example, the Egyptians, who were subdued by Alexander, may have been ruled by Macedonians, including the famous Cleopatra, but they were never Macedonians themselves, and Egypt was never called Macedonia.
trisnna9801 1 year ago
@vesna555 Rather, Macedonia and Macedonian Greeks have been located for at least 2,500 years just where the modern Greek province of Macedonia is. Exactly this same relationship is true for Attica and Athenian Greeks, Argos and Argive Greeks, Corinth and Corinthian Greeks, etc.
trisnna9801 1 year ago
@trisnna9801 From the cradle of Europe, especially from the cradle of democratic principles, Greece needs to be held responsible for the truth and for justice. The European Commission knows that. If it continues to support Greece with its false solidarity, then there must exist larger interests behind the scenes. I believe that in the background are the Balkan Wars and relations between the Balkan League and the Entente before World War I.Dear @trisnna9801 I want we become friends :)
vesna555 1 year ago
@vesna555 I too would like to be friends, but when I see school maps that show the pseudo-greater Macedonia, stretching from Skopje to Mt. Olympus and labeled in Slavic. The same map and its claims are in calendars, bumper stickers, bank notes, etc., that have been circulating in the new state ever since it declared its independence from Yugoslavia in 1991. Why would a poor land-locked new state attempt such historical nonsense? Why would it brazenly mock and provoke its neighbor?
trisnna9801 1 year ago
@vesna555 The traditions of ancient Paionia could be adopted by the current residents of that geographical area with considerable justification. But the extension of the geographic term “Macedonia” to cover southern Yugoslavia cannot. Even in the late 19th century, this misuse implied unhealthy territorial aspirations. You do have the right to name yourselves what ever you what. But putting your flag on Greek pictures and claiming them as your own is wrong in any part of the world.
trisnna9801 1 year ago
@trisnna9801 Try reading something by Pierre Jouguet ,Werner Jaeger, N.G.L.Hammond, Peter Green, E.Badian or Eugene Borza. They all have Ph.Ds and say YOU are wrong!
MacedonianVengeance 1 year ago
@MacedonianVengeance Getting your information from your country's website is not exactly what I would call receiving a higher education. Misrepresenting history professors, by taking bits and pieces of books they wrote and not telling the whole story, just to mislead your own people is pathetic and sad.
trisnna9801 1 year ago
@trisnna9801 Classic greek strategy of accusing others of exactly what you are doing!
MacedonianVengeance 1 year ago
@MacedonianVengeance Wow. Is that it? I have to admit I'm a little disappointed. I thought you might be able to answer some of my questions. All you're doing is redirecting answers. I appreciate that you don't stoop to cursing like a lot of people on this debate, but the fact that you chose the word "vengeance" in your name tells me you're more of a passive-aggressive type of personality. So you wouldn't be able to answer my questions anyway, because the answers are already made up in your mind.
trisnna9801 1 year ago
@MacedonianVengeance By the way, can you tell me who's quote this is?....."Those unable to honestly debate depend on the following tactics: name calling, changing the subject, false premise, hearsay, sloganeering, playing on widely held fantasies, stereotyping, scapegoating." Thanks.
trisnna9801 1 year ago
@MacedonianVengeance (Ph.D) Hammond “We must remember too that Philip and Alexander WERE GREEKS, descended from Heracles;they wished to be recognized by the Greeks as benefactors of the Greeks, even as Heracles had been"
(Ph.D) Borza "The macedonians themselves may have originated from the same population pool that produced other Greek peoples."
ydra1821 1 year ago
@ydra1821 Bora disputes Hammond on this matter and ALL humans are decended from a small genetic pool of people a little over 10,000 years ago!
MacedonianVengeance 1 year ago
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ydra1821 1 year ago
@MacedonianVengeance Indeed. With these references I am not trying to bring evidences about the "ethnicity" of Macedonians. There hundreds maybe thousands of modern historians that have dealt with Macdonian history but in their books they just write their opinion. Some of them imply that Macedonians are something else than greeks but this is just a presumption, a hypothesis with no strong evidence to support.
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@MacedonianVengeance You have to admit though that most of them, if not all, place Macedonia within the Hellenic world and Macedonians within the Hellenic race. This is bcs it is difficult to interpret differently Herodotus when he writes that Alexander was shouting "I am Greek". I am not trying to convince you for something you don't believe. I am just trying to tell you that Greeks have strong reasons to believe what they believe and not all of them is POV on the contrary....
ydra1821 1 year ago
@MacedonianVengeance you have to admit though that most of them, if not all, place Macedonia within the Hellenic world and Macedonians within the Hellenic race. This is bcs is difficult to interpret Herodotus differently when he writes that Alexander was shouting "I am Greek". I am not trying to make believe something you don't. I am just trying to show you that Greeks have strong reasons to believe what they believe and not all of them is POV
ydra1821 1 year ago
@MacedonianVengeance and by saying that Bora disputes Hammond but what Hammond wrote before is true, for me, this is kind of bullshit. I mean, you select info that proves your point emitting info that doesn't fit your theory. I think this is POV and this is the reason things have turned in that way
ydra1821 1 year ago
@MacedonianVengeance Homo sapiens appeared sometime between 100,000 and 300,000 years ago, not 10,000 years ago.
trisnna9801 1 year ago
@trisnna9801 I am not talking about the emergence of Homo Sapiens but to one of the genetic bottlenecks that occured. This why humans have less genetic diversity as opposed to apes.
MacedonianVengeance 1 year ago
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ydra1821 1 year ago
@MacedonianVengeance Here's a quote from one of your Ph.Ds, Eugene Borza, "Modern Macedonia has no relation with ancient Macedonia". But you would never now that, because unlike me, you don't read his work. You rather let your nation's website tell you what to think. Let me tell you something else too. Every other name you gave me is the same story. So let me ask you a question. Why would your nation's website leave that part out? I think we both know that answer.
trisnna9801 1 year ago
@trisnna9801 In this Eugene Borza was quoting Malcolm Errington’s position and later debunks it! In my latest video I scanned a page from Borza’s book that Greeks frequently misquote or take out of context.
MacedonianVengeance 1 year ago
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ydra1821 1 year ago
@MacedonianVengeance (Ph.D) Peter Green ”In less than four years he had transformed Macedonia from a backward and primitive kingdom ”’to one of the most powerful states in the Greek world”.
(Ph.D) E. Badian: “We have now become accustomed to regarding MACEDONIANS as northern GREEKS’ and, in extreme cases, to hearing Alexander’s conquests described as in essence GREEK CONQUESTS. The former CERTAINLY became TRUE, in Greek consciousness in the course of the Hellenistic age;
ydra1821 1 year ago
@trisnna9801 3)Platon in his manuscript says apologizes to Homer for having changed many things in Iliada
4)now the whole world knows that Greece has stolen the history of Macedonia. just read by many historians of the world that tells the truth of what dr.Borza, Fallmerajer, Waigall, Arrian, Dankovsky, Wels, Muler, Szulc, Sweets, Heichelheim, and many others
Pr3d4torcf 8 months ago
@trisnna9801 the greeks says that Aleksandar Macedonian(the greath)its greek watch these video what the english historians think about that h.tt.p://w.w.w.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg4Nm6Cyptc
or ask the IGENEA what thay think about the greeks ,albanians bulgarians and macedonians
Pr3d4torcf 8 months ago
@Pr3d4torcf #3)IGENEA? What a joke. Not only had Arnaiz-Villena & coworkers misused the genetic approach but also falsified historical perspectives to base their hypothesis. Their conclusions suffer from misquotations of scientific and historical citations as well as inaccurate statements without any historical and ancient documentation. The misquotation of Herodotus by these authors is notable and really unfortunate. As a result, the Arnaiz-Villena and coworkers study was totally discredited.
trisnna9801 8 months ago 6
@trisnna9801 u cal ur self elinas do u know why? i tell u becouse ma peoples given u that name
u know what that mean? i tell u elinas=foreign u know why ? i tel u becouse u com from Egypt .
U talk about "obvious" hahahahahahahaah a agency like a IGENEA (1 of the most important agency in the forld)for u its its just a joke tel me the answer on the question (what NACIONALITY was ALEKSANDAR THE GREAT)POSTED ON A NACIONAL TV(CHELLENGE) IN ENGLAND AT 19 AUGUST with the answerOBBVIOSLY(MACEDONIAN)
Pr3d4torcf 8 months ago
@Pr3d4torcf You're an uneducated loser that can't spell to save his life. The lazy producers of that dumb "game" show didn't do there research well enough, and have apologized since. And maybe in FYROM...IGENEA is considered one of the most important agencies in the world. But for the rest of the planet and scientific community, they're a laughing stock that brought shame and embarrassment to the field of human genetics.
trisnna9801 8 months ago 2
@trisnna9801 i dont have a time to spend here with u .But what 's missing to u unfortunately doesent exist in sall .just 1 thing if Alekdandar the great was greek why he burn Teba?
what kind of greek king he was to burn hes own people??
im shore that with ur arrogance u will find a answer for these question.
the famous philosof Ingersol say's: normaly the 1 who dont know nothing is the 1 who speak(balls)ù
Pr3d4torcf 8 months ago
@Pr3d4torcf Well...that explains why you keep speaking.
trisnna9801 8 months ago
@trisnna9801 edna e makedonia : MACEDONIA IS 1 FROM EVER AND FOR EVER :) WE ANS JUST WE ARE THE SONS OF ALEKSANDER THE GREAT NO GREEKS NO BULGARIN NO ALBANIAN JUST WE AND ONLY WE FOR EVER AND EVER MACEDONIA .GOD BLES MY COUNTRY GOD BLES MACEDONIA
Pr3d4torcf 8 months ago
@Pr3d4torcf Sons of Alexander?? More like the illegitimate spawns of Tito...that's about it.
trisnna9801 8 months ago 2
@Pr3d4torcf
[Ulrich Wilcken, 'Alexander the Great]
"Our conviction is strengthened that
they [ancient Macedonians] were a
GREEK RACE and akin to the Dorians."
HaggisMacfee 5 months ago
@trisnna9801 dont make of you idiot on 2011 ! its soo easy goo too see what the father of greek history say abaut Macedonian and Greeks , Herodod its soo simple , and wy you called GREEKS? I will tell you ,Greeks ion Macedonian antic language means (new arrivals,refugees,foreign).and goo too see what say Platon? i will tell you (whan aleksandar speake the greeks not understanding hem !but i dont know how you have a brave too speake just bullshit here,and you never take a book in hand.
MrMAKEDONEC80 8 months ago
@MrMAKEDONEC80 What is this? Talk to a retard day? I'm not going to talk to another moron that can't get his words out clearly. Clean up what you wrote to me and send it again, so I can understand it and send you a proper response. Thank you.
trisnna9801 8 months ago
@MrMAKEDONEC80
[N G L Hammond (1992) 'The Miracle that was Macedonia', p.206]
"As members of the GREEK RACE,
and SPEAKERS OF THE GREEK LANGUAGE,
the ancient Macedonians shared
the ability to initiate ideas and create political forms."
HaggisMacfee 5 months ago
@trisnna9801 Roof? Greece is a discrace of europe. you need to worry about getting enough food to feed yourselves you broke asses. and about the history professors, you could not be more wrong. i studied ancient european history. you got your knowledge from your greek farmer parents that left greece with their 3rd grade education. I am and will die a MAKEDONEC.
macedonNYC 8 months ago
@macedonNYC Don't kid yourself about your knowledge of ancient European history. Not one history professor ever told you that Macedon wasn't part of the Hellenic world, so stop dreaming and start in bracing your Slavic heritage. You steal ancient historic heroes from Greece and modern historic heroes from Bulgaria just to fabricate a history for yourself. And about you studying ancient history? If you did it yourself, then you lost something in the translation. From collage, get your money back.
trisnna9801 8 months ago
@trisnna9801 "PART OF THE HELLENIC WORLD"? ofcourse it was, it was right next to it. so in 100 years, puerto ricans will not exist, they will just be American right. im going to makedonija in 3 days, if your nice, maybe ill go across the border and give you a pice of bread you broke ass.
macedonNYC 8 months ago
@macedonNYC And making fun of Greece's economic problems, which every country is going through right know...still won't make you an ancestor of the ancient Macedonians. Or change the fact that a person from Greece makes 3 times more money then a person from FYROM does. In fact, FYROM is one of the poorest countries in all of Europe, so stop making uninformed statements that don't deal with reality.
trisnna9801 8 months ago
@trisnna9801 oh, so some slavic tribes came south and killed all the powerfull macedonians. and that is what i am? think about this, it makes no sense
macedonNYC 8 months ago
@macedonNYC This is exactly why I know you never studied this history. The Slavic speaking people came to this region around 7th A.D., and not even in Macedonia. They settled in Paeonia. "Skopje" was not a part of Macedonia in the lifetime of Alexander the Great, or for more than a century after that. In fact, the territory of the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia was not (except for a sliver on its southern border) a part of Macedonia.
trisnna9801 8 months ago
@macedonNYC At that time it was called Paeonia, its inhabitants were the Paeonians, and their kings issued coinage in their own names, thus showing their independence from Macedonia. When the Romans conquered Greece in the 2nd century B.C. they created a large new administrative area to which they gave the name of Macedonia, because that was its principal component, and Paeonia was added to the enlarged Macedonia at this time.
trisnna9801 8 months ago
@macedonNYC Before this, Skopje was not in Macedonia, but part of a separate kingdom. That is why the claim that is being made by the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia to be the successor of the kingdom of Philip II and Alexander III is false. But if you truly knew history, you would already know this...but you don't know history and that's why you can't comprehend it.
trisnna9801 8 months ago
@macedonNYC
Broke ass?You monkeydonians,live from HELLAS!If Greece close the borders to you you will eat each other!xaxaxa.You are so pathetic litlle monkeys.xaxaxa
sfentonas88 4 months ago
@sfentonas88 Broke. Bankruptcy. Homosexuality. Strike. Administrative cuts. Protest. Closing. Bailout. All of these are words that come out of greece. Homosexuality: deriving from the greek word homos, which was first discovered when the dark skinned people came to europe from africa, and began having sex with people of the same gender. THAT MEANS YOU FAG!
TheGoose31 4 months ago
@nmt1969
You better take care about greece down there with your state on the edge.
vesna555 1 year ago
@vesna555 lolz, ur country is constantly been fed by the americans ... u watch out ur easily shatered country id say
gloup81 1 year ago
@nmt1969 yeah but why u call a place makedonia and not with the name that greeks have for that name ? PEONIA ! , makedonia is under peonia , peonia starts after makedonian mountains which fyrom holds like 10% of the sum ... easily one understands why thieves prefer makedonia rather peonia ...
gloup81 1 year ago
KUGE AJDE PRAVETE POVEKE VAKVI KRATKI FILMOVI I ISTO I PODOLGI DOKUMENTARCI I STO I DA E ZA MAKEDONIJA IMAME PREUBAVI DELOVI I SNIMAJTE PRAVITE NESTO MAKEDONIJA !!
patriotceMKD 1 year ago
lAVOVI LI VIDOF ? GERBO BUGARSKI VE PITAM..? MIZIA TRAKIA MACEDONIA ili MAKEDONIA ? KAK BE6E TAM...
XpucmocBockpece 1 year ago
ne dajte se bracoo
ZIVELA REPUBLIKA MAKEDONIJA
SerbiaPrincess 1 year ago
Macedonia Timeless !
zenSk28 1 year ago
MACEDONIA IS GREEK. YOU DONT NOW THE HISTORY, YOU ARE LIES. ALEXANDER THE GREAT WAS FROM PELLA. PELLA IS IN GREECE. SO MACEDONIA IS ON AND GREEK.
robit2084 1 year ago
WHAT HAVE COMMON TO OUR MACEDONIA? Macedonia was 2000 years ago in Skopje was 500 years ago! WHAT HAVE COMMON TO OUR MACEDONIA? MACEDONIANS ARE THE GREEKS LIVING IN GREECE IN THESSALONIKI IN PELLA IN NORTHERN GREECE! YOU ARE BULGARIA AND ALBANIA SERBS Gypsy! CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO MACEDONIA ALEXANDER Filippos; YOU HAVE NOT PASTFUTURE NOT HAVE NOT HAVE HISTORY YOU steal GREEK HISTORY TO MY STORY!
382thanos 1 year ago
Aye i herd your so called "greece" is on sale on ebay for 1 Euro . Edna Je Makedonija . Verba Vo Bog Makedonija Do Grob !
Macomaster 1 year ago
@Macomasteget a life you sorry ignorant
sofakifotis 1 year ago
Macedonia is one and is greece...you are bulgarians whats your problem?Your language is bulgarian your coultoure also you are here only for a few hundred years pure balkanians...wake up!
migmaband 1 year ago
@migmaband
Hahahahaha grks is dont egsist all greks is kavkazios man MACEDONIA FOREVR
cetkaaaaa 1 year ago
If you are Macedonian translate something from ARRIANOS... Arrianos was Greek and he was the only man who write about the Alexander the Great and his empire! If you can understand or translate something from Arrianos you are MACEDONIAN, but you cannot because you are not!!! I AM MACEDONIAN!!! I LIVE IN MACEDONIA AND I AM GREEK!!! YOU ARE SKOPJIAN YOUR COUNTRY WAS NAMED VARDARSKA AND YOU ARE SLAVS!!!
kobreser 1 year ago
Macedonia isnt greek word u bitch.
borokace 1 year ago
@borokace Yes it is fagot big slav ashole sheep fucker!Alexandros is a greek word Filipos is a greek word Vergina is a greek word sarisa is greek also Ifestionas is also greek and Olympiada the mother of Alexandros greek also!!!!!Stupidofsky...!
migmaband 1 year ago
WTF is this O.O get a life buddy,,, and put that in your thick heads "You are Slavs" just like bulgarians, serbitches, monteniggerians, croatians and bosnians..before you get another bigg VETO lol
korca8albania 1 year ago
FYROM FYROM FYROM FRYOM LMAO
kraufber 1 year ago
Поклон пред героите на Майка България, загинали за свободата на Одринска тракия, Македония, Беломорието, Западните покрайнини, Северна добруджа, България не ще ви забрави и ще ви тачи на всички кътчета по света където е жив духа български !!!
advfk 1 year ago
Show what the slavs did to the Greeks when they were turkish, nazi and communist collaborators-This is an american backed propoganda film. Read history. These people are not Greek, they are slavs-They came 1000 years after Alexander and the Macedonians into the area-Why dont they adopt a slavic name instead of stealing a Greek word?
5hitter 1 year ago
Macedonia is a Greek word as is its history-Anyone claiming to be Macedonian but say they are not Greek are stealing the history of Macedonia which is Greek-Read History books
5hitter 1 year ago
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skopje or skoupi is from greek word skoupi-dia=
SKOUPIDIA.english is GARBAGE AND THIS IS YOUR NAME GARBAGEDONIA OR SKOYPIDIADONIA
MAKEDONIA IS ONLY ONE AND IS GREEK!
MKDISGREEK 2 years ago
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when the scientists from all the world speaks
when history speaks itself ..
the secret US political plans and the modern "childrens of Alexander"
looks like Disney story ..
/watch?v=DuIhBYBOzgg&feature=r elated
/watch?v=gL32OBM4ous
maybe you need some money from mr George Soros
to "buy" you some Historians ;-)
(Lexotanil 20mgr for your nerves .. victims lol )
jimakosmar 2 years ago
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Лично сметам дека новата потомци на Македонците се Словени, античките Македонци биле од грчко потекло. не сме биле Грци. Ние сме Словени
MATRAS92 2 years ago
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We have no connection to Alexander in his Macedonia!!!
Ние сме робови! Ние немаме врска со Alexander the Great!!! Ние сме Монголци Kiro Gligorov
Xeveos 2 years ago
Suck My Big Macedonian Dick
Fuck
Yours
Rasist
Ocupator
Mom
Macedonia forever
Macedonia timeless
MakedonskoSrce 2 years ago
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@MakedonskoSrce what i really think is disgusting is that some people i know think alexander the great was born is fyro'm'
all the people i know which come from fyrom are dishonest and would not feel delicacy about stealing culture
anyway, death to these fyr. monkeydonians that think along the same lines as you guys do
sebgermany 1 year ago
For all greeks who will come accros this video clip GET LOST!
vesna555 2 years ago
Prava MAKEDONKA-svaka čast-pozdrav iz
Kikinde-Srbija
Cane1954 2 years ago 5
Vi blagodaram Cane1954, pozdrav i do Vas od Skopje - Makedonija. Se najubavo !
vesna555 2 years ago
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face it fucking bulgarian in denial!!!!!!!northmacedonia the country!identity northmacedonian!language northmacedonian!every official document out and inside will be northmacedonian!the code mk will become NM AND THE 126 COUNTRIES THAT RECOGNISED YOU WILL CHANGE ACCORDING TO THE DECISION OF THE UN!!!!ENJOY THE HUGE COCK UNTIL YOUY DIE BLEEDING!!!!
tzakos1982 2 years ago
SLAVOSKYLA ERXOMASTE
astroman1912 2 years ago
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We gonna let you use the root MAC as follows
REPUBLIC OF MAC DONALDS
REPUBLIC OF MAC BUSH
REPUBLIC OF MAC CLINTON
REPUBLIC OF MAC NIMITS
REPUBLIC OF MAC CARTNEY (paul)
REPUBLIC OF MAC NUGGETS
REPUBLIC OF MAC CHICKEN
or Republic of VARDARSKA
bazoukaz 2 years ago
for all of you with a gap on macedonian history...read before commenting and backup your thought with facts, not just pasting some third guys view on the matter who have seen macedonia only on paper, map whatever...
uminumpsy 2 years ago
are you people who are fighting and insulting each other with some slower brain functions..how can you fight over something that is more than hundred years ago...it wont change anything!!! we will still be the same people as we are now.. a few thoughts before signinng out...Instead of changing the past we should try changing the present...starting with our selves..There are only two things Infinite, that is the universe and man's stupidity...and we are not sure about the universe: P A.Einstein
uminumpsy 2 years ago
said this on another post PLEASE macedonian people, stop the muslim shiptars!! you know what im talkin about what are they doing?look what happened to poor Serbia,will you agree to an independant shiptar state in macedon? they come in and then go to work,my dear old EX-COUNTRY.....england is gone now.i do not feel its mine anymore,it is a new republic of EVERYONE! do not let the muslims gain control,it will be the end of your ways,traditions, and identity.stop them before its too late please!!
MagnumBarakkus 2 years ago
Greek video!!! skopjans = yugoslava
GreekUnion88 2 years ago
Greek means slave
Greece means land of slaves!!
UNITED MACEDONIA FOREVER!!
midnighttalk 2 years ago 2
macedonia for the macedonians
7miami2 2 years ago
fuck skopia GAY!!!!
v1doko 2 years ago
yeah right, macedonia is greek, macedonia is bulgarian, macedonia is serbian, macedonia is "ilirida" shiptarian.... bla bla bla, this is bullshit, dogshit whatever you want fascists... Macedonia is MACEDONIAN, and thats just it, deal with it, sooner you will better will be... This claiming of all 4 of you thats macedonia is yours its just proof how right we are, so go on, go on with proving that macedonia is ONLY MACEDONIAN!!!!