Vaccines - The Risks, The Benefits, The Choices [complete]

[americanmambi]

Incredible!!

[just1singlegirl]

No, they're not. If you looked at ANY of the long-term side effects of the three diseases they do NOT have those consequences. The only serious complication they share is encephalitis, which btw has a higher % from vaccines. It is not unlikely at all for vaccines to create superbugs. They will eventually create many. Just like with antibiotics. Many people don't keep up on their vaccines or antibiotics, and eventually this causes superbugs. If you need me to elaborate further on that I will.

[foramenofmagandie]

@just1singlegirl OK this is gonna be simple:what is the % of complications from measles? What is the % complication from MMR vaccine? And what, pray tell, is your source?

[just1singlegirl]

Um, no I'm not. Health does NOT come through a needle. Vaccines are not a "cure all" in prevention. Visit the AAP or WHO or CDC website and you will see stats in 3rd world countries in Africa where(yes they are using vaxes) vaccines are having little to no effect because of the sanitation, poor healthcare, etc etc. I'm not bullshitting you. The risks of the diseases? You mean diarrhea, pneumonia, earache, corneal scarring? Infection, abortion of fetus, Encephalitis? Or the risks of the vaccine?

[foramenofmagandie]

@just1singlegirl Correction:they are trying to use vaccines. Unfortunately vaccines are not nearly as profitable as many of aspects of medicine and getting the logistical nightmares still does not yield guarantees, but the vaccine rates are getting much better thankfully. There are even plans to eliminate this disease from our planet by using vaccines, just as with smallpox. Cool, right? According to the WHO one of the main challenges to measles eradication is access to vaccines.

[just1singlegirl]

@just1singlegirl there we go. Anyways, yeah sure it's cool but the vaccines will NEVER eliminate the disease because guess what?? Vaccines aren't 100% effective. In fact, they're not even 50% effective in very young infants who only have TH1 immune responses, which the TH1 binds to the foreign cell and the TH1 cell is destroyed, so no immunity is cultivated. After a few weeks TH1 will catch it without being destroyed to create weak passive immunity that often leads to infection of the disease...

[foramenofmagandie]

@just1singlegirl Where to start? Do the math-vaccines don't need to be 100% effective to eliminate a disease (think smallpox), though that would build sufficient herd immunity much more quickly. Infants from mothers who have been vaccinated at any point in their life or had the disease will have passive immunity, but instead of taking your odd description of cell mediated immunity (TH1 isn't destroyed like that) I'll just point out that MMR isn't given to infants. What would change your mind?

[just1singlegirl]

@foramenofmagandie I was using MMR as an example. 1 in 5 children suffer minor complications, 1 in 10 suffer serious complications from the vaccine. So that's 20% for minor complications, and 10% for major complications. The percentage of children who have both minor or severe complications from the wild measles? 6% and 3% respectively. The measles is worse in adults who have not contracted the measles. So if you are vaccinated as a child, and catch wild measles as an adult, it is worse and ...

[foramenofmagandie]

@just1singlegirl  You forgot the source,right?

[just1singlegirl]

@foramenofmagandie potentially more fatal. Yes, if you are saying vaccines were the only thing to eliminate smallpox, you are wrong. A vaccine DOES need to be 100% effective if it is the "ONLY" thing that eliminates such a disease. You are forgetting all that I mentioned earlier. Nothing is going to change my mind because I've done the research and found significantly better research against vaccines than for them. And I am finding my information on health websites, CDC, etc and studies...

[foramenofmagandie]

@just1singlegirl Who said "only vaccines?" Read the WHO site. Nothing is going to change your mind? I could be persuaded by rational thinking and evidence-you admittedly cannot because, as you say, you know too much and have done too much research (albeit not in immunology given your bizarre description of cell-mediated immunity). Since literally nothing will change your mind I suggest this discourse end. It would still be nice to hear your sources for the "1 in 10" and "1 in 5" comment.

[just1singlegirl]

@foramenofmagandie that they were vaccinated against (or if it was a multiple dose shot, even one of the others.) Permanent immunity occurs in the TH2, which vaccines do not bind to. It's why they need boosters all the time. Breastfeeding is also supposed to help the baby's underdeveloped immune system because the mother's antibodies are passed through the breastmilk to help boost the child's immune system. It is more effective if the mother has TH2 bound antibodies, but most just have TH1...

[just1singlegirl]

@foramenofmagandie thanks to vaccines. Not to mention that formula (which has become the norm in society, also thanks to doctors!) does not provide this immunity. In fact so little is known about how to replicate breastmilk, formula is probably only like 10-25% alike to it (containing no antibodies and missing several compulsory things and is not in chain like formations). Anyways, that's off topic. However, the underdeveloped immune system is susceptible to toxins and allergies through the...

[just1singlegirl]

@foramenofmagandie gut mucosal immune response. The immature immune system doesn't fully mature until after they are six months old. Then, they have little to no antibodies and injecting them with either live or inactivated diseases overwhelms them because it is injected directly into the blood stream rather than them catching it naturally, the way the immune system was meant to handle it. The exposure to toxins is extremely harmful, and whatever the vaccine is created in or contaminated with...

[just1singlegirl]

@foramenofmagandie can cause allergies to dairy, nuts, animals, etc. because of the way the infant gut is formed. There are gaps and those gaps do not close until the infant is older and any food contaminant that enters there prematurely can cause allergies. Need I go on to educate you on the infant immune system and lack of effectiveness and safety of the vaccines?

[Mindanoiha]

“Dr. Wakefield’s crucifixion is a well-orchestrated effort to restore faith in risky vaccinations that the majority of people worldwide no longer trust,” said Dr. Horowitz.

We noted that in connection with the harassment of Dr Wakefield simultaneous broadcasts from radio stations world wide said that his work was fraudulent, and they asked “experts” who all said that the MMR was safe.

We also heard that questions and answers were identical, from radio stations in Europe or Africa.

[lizaharwood]

Thank you so much for this information

[BigEvan96]

lmao im so glad i refused the H1n1...without any protest from my doctor too! he was just like "okay then..."

[aeziir]

3 hours long, are you fucking kidding me... >.>

[VincenzoB81]

@aeziir If you expect to have a complex issue like vaccination proven/disproven in like five minutes, you're sorely mistaken. I've watched several documentaries, multiple books, etc. to make sure I get this issue right. You should, too.

[aeziir]

@VincenzoB81 Could have saved yourself 2 hours and thirty minutes if you just showed the slideshow and cut out all the conjecture and jokes about kids dying.

[foramenofmagandie]

Wow.....um...mumps, chicken pox, and flu can cause serious problems. Avoiding MMR and flu vaccine because of the risk is like not wearing a seat belt because it might trap you in the car during a wreck. Yes this has happened, but this view carries no perspective.

[dbreidenbach]

@foramenofmagandie Do you even understand why certain vaccines aren't necessary or are you just spouting off the usual "be safe, vaccinate" nonsense. The view certainly does carry perspective. Why are you against people making informed decisions about such a critical subject?

[foramenofmagandie]

@dbreidenbach The problem with your rhetorical questions is that they are based on false premises. Hand washing is not necessary for you but statistically will lower incidence of illness. I guess we're done with that point. If you find rhetorical questions persuasive perhaps I should ask you why you hate the first amendment since all I am doing is expressing myself. Of course this type of banter is a waste of our time. Do you have any actual questions?

[plur4life]

@foramenofmagandie As a child, there were COUNTLESS times where I'd gotten the flu shot and I still ended up getting the flu later. So I don't get your analogy of the seat belt in the car wreck.

I personally think it's more dangerous to inject yourself (and your family) with a vaccine that contains cancer cells and the threat of an autoimmune disorder when squalene is used as an adjuvant.

[foramenofmagandie]

@plur4life Surely you do understand that set belts can mitigate but not take away the risks associated with driving. You can still get into a car wreck and you can still get hurt even if you wear a seat belt. You can still get a cold or a different flu strain infection even if you are protected from the most prevalent strain. What isn't to get?

[just1singlegirl]

@foramenofmagandie yes it does. do your research. NOT the one-sided "vaccines are great!" research but the gritty, neutral research. You'd be shocked. Do you even know what's in those vaccines? That Measles, mumps, and rubella are actually not that deadly? That you have more chance of being vaccine injured than suffer a serious side effect? I bet not.

[foramenofmagandie]

@just1singlegirl Yes, I know whats is in them. Yes, I know how vaccines work.  Yes, I know how cell mediated and humoral immunity works. Is measles "not that deadly"? Well it's the 4th largest killer of children in the world according to WHO. But I guess those darned facts can be ignored on this website which stands as a natural extension of the dark side of good free speech laws. Geez.

[just1singlegirl]

@foramenofmagandie Oh yes, it is, for people who inadequate nutrition, unclean living conditions, poor quality water, poor healthcare, and a myriad of other things. Most of those children who die of those diseases are in third world countries. Their immune systems are already compromised...we are fortunate enough to have these things. The stats? That's on the WHO website too. "More than 95% of measles deaths occur in low-income countries with weak health infrastructures." On May 29 2011 the...

[foramenofmagandie]

@just1singlegirl The "myriad of other things" is actually just one main thing. Incidentally it is the thing you left out:a lack of vaccines. That is not my opinion but the assessment of the WHO. "Weak health infrastructure" explicitly includes low access to vaccines. You are weirdly supporting my point of view, though I'm not sure why, given your other statements.

[just1singlegirl]

@foramenofmagandie CDC reported only 118 reported cases of measles, of which 105 were recently vaccinated for, and the source of the measles was determined to be from travel abroad...with *0* deaths. Hmmm... Now how many people have died from MMR complications? At least 10. VAERS says 10 for 2010 and 2011 together, HOWEVER it is also well known that 75% of vaccine related complications are never reported. So if 15% is only reported, then theres about 57 more deaths out there related to JUST MMR

[foramenofmagandie]

@just1singlegirl OK I am saying this without any sarcasm, irony, or discord: please reread your post, think about the relative risks involved with contracting measles,mumps, and rubella keeping the size of the total population in mind and see if you might be missing something. If you do not see how the math works out in favor of vaccines, then I will go through it-if you are being serious.

[just1singlegirl]

@foramenofmagandie Because those are worse. Long term seizure disorders, permanent brain damage, deafness, autoimmune disorders, low platelet count and severe blood disorders, swelling of the lips, tongue, face, throat and closure of the throat, a faster heartbeat (arrhythmia), coma, encephalitis, or lowered consciousness. Hmmm... which is worse? The not permanent, treatable side effects? Or more permanent, more damaging, less treatable side effects? Hmmm.

[foramenofmagandie]

@just1singlegirl Each of the neurological symptoms you associate with vaccines is also found in patients who contract the diseases. That is not coincidence:attenuated vaccines may mutate to become identical to the wild form,though this is unlikely. When it does happen a small subset of those infected will get the results of the same disease one tries to prevent. When applied to a population this means that far more people are spared from the disease. The same is true for VZV.

[voltairefamily]

Most dangerous words in the English language:

"We are from the government and are here to HELP you!"

Run for your life!

[Dee4444Dee]

Wow, just watched the whole thing and took notes, too. THEY ARE NOT TOUCHING MY KID. Thanks for posting this and thanks to Dr. Tenpenny for all her work and courage.

[TheOneDilemma]

@Dee4444Dee SAME MATE....NOWAY AM I LETTN MY LITTLE BOY GET VACCINATED...HES 2 NOW...ONLY EVER HAD THE FIRST ONE WHEN HE WAS BORN..HOPEFULLY ITS NOT DONE TOO MUCH DAMAGE

[Jrm4cam]

where can you buy this dvd?

[Bikhiyal]

@Jrm4cam

drtenpennystore(dot)com

[Jrm4cam]

@Bikhiyal Thank you!

[Bikhiyal]

We are finally getting somewhere in prosecuting Vaccine companies for their poising of our children. Recent lawsuits and scientific studies highlighting the connection between autism and vaccines is beginning to expose BigPharma for the evil bastards they truly are. Power to the people. Get up stand up.

[economicsgrad]

Please, oh mighty internet, forgive me for adopting the eleitest soapbox of someone who's job it is to research such matters. However, as I would describe myself as finally fully informed about innoculation, I would like to , despite the sea of uninformative, misleading, oppinionated and downright untrue information like to take the MMR.

[economicsgrad]

Although I am obviously coming across as a silly troll, I am, in fact, a real academic (D.K. Burns at UEA UK. That's right, that guy who went to meadowhead sheffield form G), trying to articulate myself. You must understand the economics behind the decision to make up a story such as the one in this youtube video. Vaccennes give you a higher probability of survival subject to exposure to a certian bacteria. stats are subject to standard errors. you must understand, otherwise all is lost.

[economicsgrad]

I am an economist, therefore the emotional nature of the subject makes me the bad guy. However, I have an emotional attachment since I had to remain at university for my exams as my own saint of a grandfather died of prostrate cancer.

I do not want to seem moralistic, however, I spent the last ten minutes crying into my hands as I thought of him. Immunisation can't protect against a natural fault in our gentics but it can against bacteria. conspire as you will but people will die as a result

[economicsgrad]

I wonder how many people have died as a direct result of this video, based on the opinion of 1 doctor, who is not even a research doctor. Thank god I'm English.

[erin71975]

@economicsgrad Did u even bother watching? Have u looked into it yourself? I used to think the same as you...now I know better.

[economicsgrad]

@erin71975 yes. And I am a postgraduate student/researcher in the field of medicine at the university of east anglia UK. I used to dismiss this years back, then I took the risks discussed here as fact, as you are now. at postgrad I started learning about evidence and credibility. I cannot say whether this is fact or not until I have the right level of knowledge, perhaps after my Phd. I simply asked the question "How many people have died as a result of this video?" and questioned her credibility

[Slomo25]

@economicsgrad My friend is a Homeopath and the worrying thing is she is spreading the word round our school to not use vaccines.... scary.

[Slomo25]

@economicsgrad I live in Kent.

[angelica97007]

Loved this! Great info from the DOC.

[Panter4]

Is the name of this documentary "Vaccines: What CDC Documents and Science Reveal"? At least there is a DVD that has this name by Dr. Tenpenny.

[rmcullar]

@Panter4

No, this one is: "Vaccines - The Risks, The Benefits, The Choices."

She has 3 videos listed on her website:

sayingnotovaccines.calm

[Panter4]

@rmcullar Thanks a lot.

[SurvivalWithBushcraf]

Now obama has passed laws that could force us to be vaccinated in a "pandemic or national emergencey" Greeeeat! This make me warm and tingly...

[cozmikgate]

@SurvivalWithBushcraf I'll leave and go to Canada

[SurvivalWithBushcraf]

@cozmikgate I'll go with you when the time come's. I will be one of the first to flee. I hope we can make it before they close the border though.

[B4IRUTUARU16]

@SurvivalWithBushcraf don't have your shot, and die horribly

one less retart in the world 

[BelfastAtheist]

@SurvivalWithBushcraf

So it fucking should. Hypothetically: a pandemic of Cholera or Anthax takes place. You want to bitch about how your president has set emergency legislation to save his countries people?

Fuck you buddy.

Fuck you, you contrarion, counter-culture, fandious, illogical, conspiracist, ignorant, petulant, pugnacious, pernicious, vile little cunt.

[SurvivalWithBushcraf]

@BelfastAtheist Wow with a slurry of cussing like that, who wouldn't think that you were right!

[BelfastAtheist]

@SurvivalWithBushcraf

Bah, your comment just struck a nerve. It was so illogical on so many levels..

[SurvivalWithBushcraf]

@BelfastAtheist Well then we must agree that we disagree.

[Deathrape2001]

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Then U will maybe B able 2 bang the hot Spanish dancer chix W/out the series of 'I'm Sorry's '

[Tressco]

Thx for uploading!

[ryanshaunkelly]

Afghanistan "Elections".

Dr Abdullah Abdullah speech.

Homey don't play no sham elections.

(neither should we)

CNN & FOX would talk over live speech.

CNN & FOX would not translate live speech.

CNN & FOX would cut to commercials during live speech.

(cnn & fox must wait for orders)

Now back to your regularly programed CNN & FOX Propaganda

[BelfastAtheist]

@ryanshaunkelly

Make your own speeches, don't just copy and paste the words of others.