York - Protestant Cathedral: "Psalm VIII" - Anglican Choir

[HappyJack269]

What a surprise - Rome made a mess of things again. Rome - the mighty Pope - the Mighty St Peters - nothing to do with humility, purity and the worship of Jesus, a symbol of power. An organisation that protects child molesters - proven time and time and time again in Ireland and the UK - an organisation that tried to be-friend the Nazi's, an organisation that wrongly believes it is always correct - Cramners articles of religion were reform to a pure, humility, and honesty that was required.

[x8lover]

Cramners articles of religion are actually 39 and not 10. Just want to point out that it was the short reign of Edward VI where there was much desecration of churches. If he had lived longer and had children then anglicanism as we know it would not exist. Elizabeth went for a compromise and restored many fine churches. She initially wanted religious tolerance but it was only after a papal bull against her life that things changed. Rome shot itself in the foot on this one.

[lollyclan]

I understand what you are saying. I've been both, RC and Protestant but the ill-feeling of one group toward the other is the direct reverse of what Jesus told us to be. There will always be faults on both sides because we're all human and are all full of flaws. If we all just look to Jesus and not judge, as He commanded us, we'd be truly spreading His light to the world. I have decided long ago to be a "non-denominational" Christian - Jesus is enough. God bless, Lolly x

[lollyclan]

In these dark days it's about time Christians of ALL denominations pulled together and stood together - and stopped this ridiculous infernal bickering! We all believe in the Lord Jesus Christ as our Savioiur and our God.

[HappyJack269]

@lollyclan True - but some of us get sick and tired listening to the Catholics preach about the failings of the Protestant Church, when, if they read the teachings of Cranmer through the ten articles of religion, they might understand its differences, and the key words, humility and reform, rather than opposite ends of the spectrum. How can a Protestant Religion take a religion seriously that has a brutal track record in Child Abuse, supported, or were seen to support the Nazi movement?

[lollyclan]

@HappyJack269 Hi HappyJack, I just posted a message in reply to yours but forgot to hit "Reply" so it's just sitting there directed to no-one. Sorry! Silly me.. Lolly

[HappyJack269]

So - why do you need Roman Street Clothes ?? Why was Cranmer poor - it can't simply be because it had no precedent in history - of course it had - it was based on the Gospels - and humility - Catholics always pull out the - we're older than you card - true, however, the protestant religion recognises humility in its teaching, its based on the same thing, they invented nothing, just reformed the way of thinking through the ten articles into a more pure and simplistic ethos -

[krPeter2010]

I prefer Rachmaninoff...lol...the garments are Roman street clothes which belie the age of the faith and Fr Cranmer wanted simplicity because he was trying to revert to a more privitive form...unfortunately his 16th century scholarship regarding the early church was very poor...he idealized something that had no precident in history...he simply 'made up' a religion...as did a few back then...One should not take what they invented seriously, however.

[krPeter2010]

the anglican church is just one of many 16th century made up religions.

[HappyJack269]

@krPeter2010 You got to admit - Anglican Chant is more - rounded and mysterious than plainchant - which is divine in its own right. So, my Catholic friend - again what's the big deal with mass ? Why not None, Sext, Prime, Vespers, Matins etc ?? and why the Garments . . . can't simplicity just do ? Do you really believe in Transubstantiation -? I don't - I prefer the memory but ? I try not to dislike Catholics - but you're a bit - extreme - we CoE are not so - we are right - defensive ?

[krPeter2010]

@HappyJack269 .... when all else fails, protestant deflection...truth is all men have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God...or is that line from one of the bible books Luther the jew-hating unfaithful priest deleted from the canon...oops...LOL...ya cant win...right is right and wrong is wrong...and btw...the founder of my church is Jesus Christ...not stupid drunken unfaithful, jew hating, murderous and did I mention lecherous and syphilis ridden "King Henry VIII". LOL

[HappyJack269]

@krPeter2010 Rock on Henry !!!!! - There is falling and falling huh? Falling is one thing - buggering childrens lives up sexually and mentally is another. . . As you say - all men have sinned - just Henry had what it took to remove superstition, smells, bells, bongs and gongs - why do you guys need all that to celebrate Communion huh ?? I read no account of all that in the bible - why all the gold and silver in your churches - just a plain wooden alter is fine, why all the rich garments ??

[Uzbazur345]

Amazingly beautiful Choir and Cathedral! Love it!

[krPeter2010]

I call them 'half gospel churches' because they omit like 7 or 8 original booiks from the origiinal canon and think the world is only 6000 years old LOL...and they believe in carrying guns...red necks!!

And its just the opposite in USA...my RC church has like 8000 members and the 'full gospel church' has like 200...

[HappyJack269]

@krPeter2010 You guys really do have a total belief you are right - LOL - how can people support a church that loves Nazi's, buggers children, abuses children, is corrupt, has a Nazi as its leader and is hypercritical to the core ??

You see whichever way you look......York Minster is Church of England not Church of Rome - Protestant :-) - each to their own

[krPeter2010]

Our Lord did not start the church in 1530...and if you really really believe He did, I've got a bridge to sell you...

[HappyJack269]

@krPeter2010 No - he didn't. I suppose to be fair to you - we wonder why "New" Bible churches has hundreds of young people in their congregations - probably because they get on with Christianity - I know one town where Evensong is a memory, mass is rarely attended and down the New approach Bible church has had to be extended - it can't fit in the congregation. The days of smells, bells, idiotic rules and corruption are drifting into history - its doing not preaching that counts !!!!

[skasha99]

so heavenly

[ricub1]

This is Double Chant in B-flat by William Lawes, 1602-1645. It was in The Hymnal 1940 (Episcopal) as service chant #646 (Jubilate Deo) for Morning Prayer - from my own experience this particular chant tune was extremely popular at Christ Church, Fitchburg, Mass back in the 50s & 60s when they had a renowned Men & Boy's choir. I suspect most Episcopal churches across the USA used the Lawes tune during this period - try finding it today!

[lollyclan]

Splendid - magnificent - superb - this is without doubt the most sublime of all youtubes ever uploaded... wonderful..

[krPeter2010]

The Catholic Religion is the true faith of England and no amount of oaths to the contrary by kings or queens can ever change that.

[HappyJack269]

@krPeter2010 - Wrong - The Church of England is a Protestant Church, to Protest again an organisation which is operated from Rome, which has a history of interfering with Children, who desperately tried to to fall in love with the Nazi's, for whom I believe its present leader is a former member of Nazi Youth, who sheltered terrorists who attacked the UK - why would we the Protestant people, who are happy with our church, with our leader, our Queen want anything to do with that shambles?

[HappyJack269]

@krPeter2010 For those who want to be Catholic - there is an easy answer - leave and go to Rome

[ProtestantThomas]

Anglican Protestants? No. Reformed catholics.

[gfsquire]

How absurd to call York Minster a Protestant Cathedral. Last time i was there, a statue of Our Lady of Walsingham was carried in amidst the incense and mass vestments etc. Not exactly Protestant.

[elton1981]

@gfsquire Me too. I was there for that event. Along with fifteen-hundred others.

[lexscar1]

To try and settle the pointless arguements.York Minster is an Anglican Church Of England Cathedral,Considered to be the better owing to its freedom of choice right the way through the Anglican Church.

[cmau14]

@keith4291 I left Protestantism for the the same reasons

[lollyclan]

Couldn't give a fig about the politics, just love the music...

[4yall]

Gosh.. Seems you people will never stop ripping the Catholic Church in words.. Yes, liturgical music is important, but the real value resides in the teachings themselves, in the doctrines of faith. Meanwhile, you label 1.6 billion people as boring and many such adjetives...

[timothyj1966]

@Taiginator not really - re-read your history...the Anglican service today is a result of a much needed split from ROme.... and a mix of more Protestant approach to teaching, preaching and music and worship style... the catholics are corrupt, boring, and dead

[optimatus]

Who is the composer of this wonderful Anglican Chant?

[ScottMacFie]

Btw, you can really hear the influence of the Anglican choral arrangement, the call and chant and solemnity in the works of Post-Civil War American music author Stephen Foster. VERY VERY obvious.

[dimacosi]

The Anglican church is a Protestant Reformed Religion established by law that has nothing to do with that Whore of Babylon headed by the Bishop of Rome

[foodie65]

It's not quite that simple. As Anglicans we are catholic but not Roman Catholic, and we have retained catholic traditions such as vestements, candles and incense. and formal liturgies. Many would not describe themselves as protestant though we have been influenced by the reformed tradition, in terms of our attitude to authority based on scripture reason and tradition. We retained the threefold order of deacon/priest/Bishop and any Angican being ordained must have hands laid on them by a Bishop

[ScottMacFie]

@dimacosi : Granted, I am an Anglican in America, so further removed from the roots (I'm not TEC however), but I would hardly consider us "Protestant" like Lutherans, United Methodists or heaven forbid, Presbyterians...we are MUCH more like the Catholic Faith, just without the Pope.

[timothyj1966]

@ScottMacFie thank goodness without a Pope... and the corruption...

[timothyj1966]

@dimacosi Well put! A huge mistake if the Anglican community joins with the roman catholics... as a Canadian Anglican I pray this never happens... roman catholics miss the mark with their teaching, preaching. and style of worship and music..

[dimacosi]

@Taiginator Well sir, I am a member of the Church of England living on the Continent......and I am certainly not catholic....I am a Protestant and will remain one

[timothyj1966]

@dimacosi love your comment... agree!

[EstateManor]

As an Anglican I have had myself be addressed as a "protestant" and as a "Catholic" by antagonistic associations. In fact, to be called a protestant and/or to be called a catholic are badges of great honor indeed! May it be that I am found to be worthy of being called a Christian. This musical setting is lovely. I love the Lutheran liturgy also and experience Lutheran Worship whenever possible.

[batajim]

York Minster choir under Robert Sharpe, its Director of Music, has a very high reputation for first class singing. I was privileged to attend Evensong recently when the choir sang Philip Moore's Magnificat and Nunc Dimittis Santi Johannis Cantabrigiensis and William Walton's The Twelve. What a musical feast it was!

[ds1868]

York Minster is NOT protestant. As part of the Church of England it is best described as 'reformed catholic'.

[finnbarrhagan]

@ds1868 i would go further and say it is not only not protestant, but not christian. the only time our lord was upset was in the temple of the money changers, they have turn styles on the porch, not the direction we wanted it to go in... the corperate religion tax exempt branch of government... blessings finn...

[harpsichordkid]

@ds1868 ""Archbishop: Will you to the utmost of your power maintain in the United Kingdom the Protestant Reformed Religion established by law?

The Queen: I will"

Remember history! Remember Cranmer and Ridley! Remember her majesty's oath!

[RoyalBentley]

Magic Music, it is great, very nice choir, and very nice melodies!!!

[lollyclan]

Beyond compare. Absolutely wonderful!!

[mattsplace85]

WOW, that is some organ.

[Ajani2000]

@mattsplace85 i know rite..... love the organ!!

[Ajani2000]

@mattsplace85 have u listened to it through earphones.... from 1:36 onward to like 2:08..... heavenly *i'm a fanatic of bass just saying* lol

[elton1981]

@mattsplace85 It's like a TARDIS. Its much bigger on the inside than it is on the outside.

[aberjed]

It is neither protestant nor a cathedral it is an anglican minster

[maringaspk]

very nice tune,would love to have this

[Ajani2000]

is there some sort of bass boost from 1:46 and then at 1:55 it is just *melts** pipe organs i love

[lollyclan]

This is the best ever youtube on the planet. There really aren't words to express how wonderful it is.

[delboy0903]

@foodie65 i'm not saying that the church did not stem from the Catholic religion but it reformed in the reformation, it protested against Rome / Vatican the Pope and i think the word Protest gives it away !

but the fact remains the anglican church is protestant ! yes with many Catholic traditions but without all the pomp and false worshiping and idols ! but to the bear bone of christian faith in Christ and no other !

and i am proud to be of Protestant/anglican background. and not of Romes boot

[foodie65]

@delboy0903 I am glad we can finally agree. I am proud to be Anglican too, and we don't recognise the authority of the Pope. It's important to differentiate though between Roman Catholic and catholic, and sadly the latter has been hijacked by the Roman Church. It's interesting that in terms of worship style the Church of England is generally much "higher" than the Church of Ireland, so we do actually have quite a lot of pomp - including vestments, incense and statutes etc. Good wishes to you.

[delboy0903]

@foodie65 Good wishes to as well, its good to talk and sometimes differ because we can, something the Vatican lacks.. any how its been a pleasure.

[timothyj1966]

@delboy0903 well put... Rome is corrupt ...hence the split in style of worship...would be a mistake to rejoin with them....

[delboy0903]

@foodie65 Yes it is ! The Anglican church is of the Protestant faith( Church of England, Church of Ireland) etc etc and as such our Queen The Head of , who is by law Protestant of faith and defender of that faith ! i suggest you look up facts next time before you try and correct someone !

And just to correct you, i did not state the history of the cathedral which was at the beginning Catholic before the reformation and after Protestant ! hence, the beginnings or start of The Anglican Church !

[foodie65]

@delboy0903

[foodie65]

@delboy0903 From the website of the Church of Ireland! : The Church of Ireland is Catholic because it is in possession of a continuous tradition of faith and practice, based on Scripture and early traditions, enshrined in the Catholic Creeds, together with the sacraments and apostolic ministry. The Church of Ireland maintains a liturgical pattern of worship, observing the feasts and fasts of the Catholic liturgical year and retains the rites and ceremonies of the pre-Reformation Catholic Church

[delboy0903]

@foodie65 ................. also one more fact since you seem to like them, even tho it seems you do not digest the information ( THE ANGLICAN CHURCH IS PROTESTANT ) which i was responding to in your first incorrect comment !......................

[delboy0903]

@foodie65 I also serve in St Anns Cathedral ( Church Of Ireland ) as a verger, and as such baptized as a Protestant as is every other member of the Anglican Family and the Dean of York ( Kieth Jones ) i'm sure would be glad to clear up your confusing... as would our own dean ( McKelvey )..

[foodie65]

@delboy0903 You ignored the fact that the Church of Ireland website says the church is catholic and reformed and that the Queen is not the head of the Church of Ireland? Are you saying they are also wrong? Also nowhere in the Anglican prayer books nor in the baptism or confirmation rites are the word protestant used. The Queen is NOT the head of the Anglican Communion, only the church of England.

Check the facts for yourself from the church of Ireland website!

[delboy0903]

@foodie65 Look my friend i can see this is getting nowhere, you can ignore the facts all you like, i suggest you ask your Dean or if you like i can direct you to the website of the Archbishop of Canterbury but i'm sure you can find it yourself, if the anglican church as a whole is not Protestant in which the Queen is head and most certainly belong to then what your suggesting is that the Protestant religion in a word does not exist.... and as such the Queen is not Protestant !

[foodie65]

@delboy0903 You're right! Let's leave it. For some reason you refuse to look at the websites for the church of Ireland and England which clearly state that the Anglican Church is catholic and reformed. My ordination vow in the Church of England referred to the catholic church and creeds. I told the Dean yesterday about our discussion and he said and I quote "So many people simply don't understand why the Anglican church is not protestant" I am going to let the last word be his!

[delboy0903]

@foodie65 You say the Queen is not head of the Anglican Church but only the Church of England, yet if i'm not mistaken the Church of England is head of the anglican union is it not ! so in a effect head of the anglican communion ! and as such the Queen of England is Protestant.. you sir or madam should take a good long search of your history.. ie regarding religon, the anglican church is not known as Catholic and reformed when the reformation happened we broke from Rome and Catholiolism

[foodie65]

@delboy0903 One more point - the Queen is NOT the head of the Church of Ireland.

Also from the Church of Ireland website:

Is the English monarch head of the Church of Ireland? No. However from 1871, when the Church of Ireland was disestablished, and ceased to be the state Church, the crown and government have had no authority or constitutional role in the Church in any part of Ireland.

[delboy0903]

@foodie65 The Queen heads the anglican church.WIth the Church of England being the head church of the anglican union, so let me put this in plain English for you as you are obviously confused, The Church Of Ireland is part of that union and as such even tho the Queen has no direct involvement in the Church she still never the less is still head of the Anglican family including the Church Of Ireland regardless if you like that fact or not !!

[ibijoy]

great chant

[delboy0903]

gloria to our free Protestant faith, teachings as they should be !

[lollyclan]

glorious! beautiful! exquisite! Thank you so much.

[naymelful]

Thanks so much for posting. Happy new year!

[merseybeat1963]

Every two years or so since 1991 we go to England ..and in our usually 3 day stays in York,on each of those trips,we would enter this church,1 or two times a day...As we usually do in all the towns we visit on our month long trips.. .A few years ago we were faced with a newly implemented large entrance fee.....even at evensong,what a shame to not be able to afford this part of Christianity...

[Lisnageeragh]

@FlyerRan  They were!

[davidnash41]

The Church of England was not protestant dung the time of Henry VIII, reformist would be a better word. However, from Queeen Elizabeth I it became very much Protestant. Any Roman trappings were destroyed and the rift with Rome was set.

[foodie65]

@davidnash41 I don't agree with your assessment. The period when the English Church steered furthest away from Rome was during the short reign of Edward VI after Henry VIII's death. Elizabeth I was very mistrustful of the protestant reformation in mainland Europe and steered a middle way for the Anglican Church, which largely abides to this day. Most Anglicans, would not call themselves protestant, in the way that Lutherans, Baptists and Methodists do.

[ysbaddaden2003]

@foodie65

My understanding was there were three movements during the nineteenth century, the Evangelical (which sounds very Protestant), the Tractarian (Oxford) movement which seemed to have much more ornate services, and then the Broad Church seeking to combine them.

Then in the late 19th century another Anglican-Catholic movement started, and more recently in 1977 with a new splinter group.

[foodie65]

@ysbaddaden2003 It's slightly more complicated than that but in summary all of those things are true. The structure of the Anglican church, with the 1662 prayer book, and Common Worship liturgies, and Bishops and Archbishops remian in place. Anglicans from the high and broad church and even many from traditional low church backgrounds find the evangelical movement "un-Anglican", and would not describe themselves as protestant.

[patrickjs865]

@coldlittle The C of E ceased to have any claim to call itself Catholic the day it ordained women to the priesthood. Women priests are most definitely not Catholic practice.

[mowbreck]

@patrickjs865 This is because you confuse the word Catholic to mean Roman Catholic. The word catholic means universal. The Pope is just head of the Roman variety. By your reasoning the only people who could be a priest are jewish men, as they are the only ones selected by Jesus.

[ds1868]

We do not use the term 'Protestant' in the Church of England. And the notes referring to York as a 'bishopric' is wrong - York is an 'Archbishopric' and the Archbishop of York is the 'Primate of England' (second to the Archbishop of Canterbury, who is 'Primate of All England'.

[speaks3703]

This is the same tune that LCMS Lutherans use to sing the Te Deum. I love it!

[choralcathedral1]

@speaks3703 wonderful song even, very beautiful!

[DVG922]

Small correction: the office is Archbishop, not bishop.

[ramesses88]

Very nice!

The bass really comes through too.

York Minster has provided me with some of the most beautiful moments in life. The Evensong is extremely refreshing and whenever I'm in the city, I never fail to attend, even if it means waiting two hours for the next train home!

[lexscar1]

Total perfection from our very own York Minster.A perfect recording around Easter Time.The images are magnificent.

 Quite often I visit for Choral Evensong which is held in the Choir area.

[lollyclan]

@lexscar1 How i envy you. Lived in York as a kid then was brought to Oz. Would just love to visit the Minster especially around Easter. It's a pipedream! Cheers, lolly

[hsebuliba]

This is magnificient, it is the best I have ever heard keep up the spirit. Hannington Sebuliba- Kampala Uganda

[lexscar1]

@hsebuliba ,Ironically the Archbishop of York is Jon Sentanu from Kampala Arriving in England in the early 70s and has since been Bishop of Birmingham,before taking his present position.I can confirm his happiness and the good work he is doing...May God bless you and all in Uganda.....Peter

[gbolagun]

This is awesome. Thanks for uploading.