@Creationsofmyown I don't need a house to throw rocks at Jinichi Kawakami. What I learn isn't really relevant but, I'm always open to debate the bujinkan's legitimacy
you currently reside in a house of glass, you are throwing stones (accusations of illegitimacy) at people who are JUST AS FAKE AS YOUR TEACHERS.
i'm always open to discuss the illegitimacy of the bujinkan, however since there has never been any evidence for the claims of ninjutsu made by takamatsu, i hope you can understand that i won't be able to take your, or his word for it...
did u know that takamatsu first called his taijutsu 'kukishin ryu ninpo' then 'togakure ryu'?
written by takamatsu. he claims they were kuden before he wrote them down, but they show none of the structure of kuden transmissions. no rhyming/meter to help you remember them, and no ninjutsu, just bad budo...
"there are plenty of people who went to him saw the documents and said they're real."
funny, the Koryu societies have never gotten a look, they are the ONLY source capable of authenticating them.
'"written by takamatsu. he claims they were kuden before he wrote them down"
I didn't know this, can you show me your sources to back up this statement?'
which part, the one is from an interview between Kacem and KWOON magazine.... google those 3 words, easy find. actually i think they're both there... check first.
'no they're not'
so you think that you can arbitrarily denounce the authority given to the koryu societies BY THE EMPEROR??? AND substitute them for foreigners?
@Arteanor "so you think that you can arbitrarily denounce the authority given to the koryu societies BY THE EMPEROR??? AND substitute them for foreigners?"
uh. Kacem Zoughari is the only historian that i have heard of getting to see the documents.
i told you where you can find an interview talking about what he thought of them... you not following citations, and pretending that a guy named Kacem Zoughari is japanese are BOTH absolutely ludicrous wastes of my time...
i have shown my position to be backed by evidence... can you do the same? historical evidence for ninjuts being/including martial arts/taijutsu. why so hard?
@Arteanor "you not following citations," I'm not going to take you seriously, your telling me to google things and your using fake accounts.
" and pretending that a guy named Kacem Zoughari is japanese are BOTH absolutely ludicrous wastes of my time..." who said kacem is japanese? your wasting my time, with stupid mistakes.
"i have shown my position to be backed by evidence.."
no you didn't you didn't give me any links or page numbers or tittles.
i said, you are hold up experts who are foreigners, as kacem is the only person i know who has actually SEEN the densho....
shall i bury you with his words some more?
'Kacem, to Kwoon magazine "So yes, these “famous” densho, I had the chance to see them and read a few. Now to say that Takamatsu sensei created these schools is hard to say, and to prove… Even Hatsumi sensei says openly that he doesn’t know.'
did you need that again? or did u get it this time?
John Lindsey in an interview with Tanemura S asks: "Did Takamatsu S always call it Togakure ryu?":
"Not at first. When he was associated with the Kuki family he planed to introduce Kukishin Ryu Ninpo in the form of scrolls and densho. But after the war he distanced himself from the Kuki family and decided not to do this. then he met Hatsumi S. and Fukumoto s. Takamatsu S.i decided to teach them Ninpo. That is when he decided to use the name Ninpo.'
@Arteanor You obviously get your information from antony cummins and message boards. Your just listening to other people for your information its so obvious. I have a list of researchers that saw densho owned by masaaki hatsumi and said there real 3 of which are japanese. I forget the names, I know nawa sensei of masaaki ryu said they were real. You saying the bujinkan is just bad budo is retarded, there is so much ninjutsu in togakure, I know a bunch of techqneices that arnt taijutsu related.
@Arteanor "funny, i cited the bujinkan's historian IN AN INTERVIEW, and A JAPANESE MAGAZINE.... nice lie."
It had nothing to do with scrolls, it wasnt a lie you posted that after my post...? and it proved nothing, if you knew anything about the bujinkan you would know why.
"obviously you believe anything said by hatsumi..." ???
"i suggest you check out ' Togakure ryu is a Low class art' here on youtube. shows your lying more..."
thats a lie there are techneqes that involes poison and arson
@Arteanor your also siting a video on youtube made by a person with no creditbity this is pointless and a hopless conversation do to the fact you havnt taken time to learn anything about the bujinkan
@Arteanor never said history can be debated, i said its legitimacy can. You caught me in nothing, your retarded I disproved everything you have said. You obviously can't read.
You said Koryu organizations are the only ones who can authenticate a school (WRONG)
You said, I said Dr Kacem is japanese (??? WRONG)
You advicated the ninpo arts in the bujinkan only teach taijutsu (WRONG)
Keep swallowing antonys videos and then pulling them out of your ass in augments. Keep using other accounts too
If you keep assuming like that we are just going on and on, what you provided proved nothing. Takamatsu could have called the schools what ever he wanted...he was the soke. He could have mashed all the schools together and made "kuki ninpo" if he wanted. Its widely known in the bujinkan and the genbukan that there is some ninpo in kukishinden. I just gave two perfectly valid reasons why, Takamatsu's teachings could be called "kuki ninpo".
"It is valid because he learned more then one art and is the soke of more then one art."
but none of them is kukishin ryu ninpo... check his densho...
"This is basic stuff if you dont know that he was tought by Toda."
he made up the story of toda and togakure, and used the same skills he started teaching hatsumi AFTER he had been teaching it AS kukishin ryu ninpo, and AFTER kukishin had told him he couldnt use kukishin's name/reputation to open his hybrid MA dojo
he used the martial arts he had been given menkyo for... and what he learned in china, with forms from karate. and called it ninjutsu... before this, nobody except maybe comic books referred to ninjutsu as a martial art.
"we found his grave"
how could you have lost it? and why can nobody give his proper name then?
and a picture of his grave marker so we can check the name.
@Arteanor hatsumi knows about it, kacem is the historian, its his job to go authenticate the grave.its not a big deal for hatsumi, he already knows Toda existed. He was the soke of a very well known jujutsu school with documented students. the real question is, was he the soke of ninjutsu schools?
I will work on the pictures of the grave but, in return I wan't you to find those "forms from karate" in the bujinkan curriculum for me.
"He was the soke of a very well known jujutsu school with documented students. the real question is, was he the soke of ninjutsu schools?"
funny, i have heard this claimed... never seen any paperwork on him or these students... nobody can manage to show them, strange hmm? almost as if they were fictional....
"I wan't you to find those "forms from karate" in the bujinkan curriculum for me."
they are takamatsu's words from his letter... Kukishinden Zensho... will send the page.
@Arteanor "funny, i have heard this claimed... never seen any paperwork on him or these students... nobody can manage to show them, strange hmm? almost as if they were fictional...."
Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean its not real. I haven't seen you but that doesn't mean your not a real person. Look in the bugei ryuha daijiten, it clearly states, his connection to the well known jujutsu school as well too 3 other schools. Also a member of the kuki family was a student at Toda's dojo
"small portions of the bugei ryuha daijiten are speculation by the author and the public, but only small portions."
so if the BRD is a list of proven facts, which edition do we find the real lineage of togakure ryu in???
there are 3 different entries, all quite different... the first even claims 10 of the bansenshukai's 11 most famous shinobi page, ALL were holders of Togakure ryu...
kuki takei, i asked where you got this from, its source. takamatsu is dead, try again
@TheHumbleNinja i have been after these sorts of tough answers, to these questions, and getting the citations to prove it, for several years, everybody challenged has remained unable to provide any actual evidence of toda masamitsu shinryuken...
we need his real name,,, it isn't masamitsu, and shinryuken is a 'warrior name' ....
if you guys have lost the name of your lineage holder from modern to koryu cutoff date, how much else have you lost???
"if you guys have lost the name of your lineage holder from modern to koryu cutoff date, how much else have you lost???"
we didn't lose anything, he went by "Toda Shinryuken Masamitsu" why are to to blame? That's all that was given too us, we can't help it he used a warrior name.
"or several years, everybody challenged has remained unable to provide any actual evidence of toda masamitsu shinryuken" just gave you a name of a student, plus soke has writings from toda
"we didn't lose anything, he went by "Toda Shinryuken Masamitsu"'
then why has nobody else ever heard of this guy???
no tax records? i thought he ran a dojo....
" why are to to blame? That's all that was given too us, we can't help it he used a warrior name."
so you only have what you were GIVEN??
but this is the Soke's teachers teacher.... your lack of curiosity itself is evidence against your school having ANY sort of ninjutsu( intelligence agent)...
"just gave you a name of a student, plus soke has writings from toda"
i will work fast to authenticate your claims.
and even kacem says the densho are written by takamatsu. there are some that we know are written by ishitani, and there is another from some OTHER person, that you are ASSUMING is Toda,
funny, he 'goes by' masamitsu shinryuken, but nobody ever heard him 'go by' that...
this is why the koryu societies gave takamatsu the pass... he can't prove it...
@Arteanor You just learn all of this from antony cummins its so sad. Go get a real connection to japanese school, stop reading message boards. Its funny you call me out, on my school when you dont even go to one. Atleast antony studied in the bujinkan, and goes to japan. You just tell me to google a magazine for a interview, then you think you got me when you actually give me a tittle and a page number, but it turns out to prove nothing.
i dont c anything wrong with the two videos on Kawakami and Kyomoto these r two very small videos compared to the how long the seminar was ,i believe lasted 3 days.. My Senseis were all present and believed the seminar went very well they were all very impressed with Kawakami's knowledge and technique, again this is comming from people who were actually there.
@Creationsofmyown R u one of those annoying guys that repeats everything someone says? i know wut i said its listed above u dont have to repeat me like a parrot. relax alil. Im not in desperate need of anything u r, i dont c any videos of u performing any martial arts or ect.. so dont be asking me about my ryu like ur a somebody because well ur not. plain n simple.
@Creationsofmyown your telling me things i already known yo, im familiar with the actual role shinobi played in history. n there is no history record that says ninjutsu is dead thats bullshit.perioid. there is no record saying all ninjutsu is dead it does not exist. the relivance to saying u dont have anything with u performing was directed towards ur ignorance of kawakamis techniques. since u seem to base performance off of youtube videos which is halarious.but ya u should be taken seriously..
@Creationsofmyown There was a panel present for kawakami of experts in koryu arts and japanese language and culture these r known facts. say wut u want about the panel bc u def r not more of n expert then any of them. and to top it off u werent even there but yet i am the one who needs to be schooled lol rediculious. As for my instructures n system people like James loriega were there master karim, duncan, they were all there and participated in the seminar
@Creationsofmyown how do u know there fake.. OoOoO WAIT ITS FROM UR VAST! Knowledge on the subject lol unbelievable .like i told u, its u that needs to get a clue, i didnt need to ask if u were there cause i kno u werent, because ur pathetic n ud be to scared to show ur face after all the bullshit lies uve said on other video posts. An there u go repeating me again. N yeah those r my instructors then there better 98% of all bujinCON 15-30 degree blk belts
" N yeah those r my instructors then there better 98% of all bujinCON 15-30 degree blk belts"
you mean the instructors that all got their 'ninjutusu' from ronald duncan who has changed his story of where he learned ninjutsu twice after publishing it...
you are simply defending kawakami to protect the interests of your deluded teachers that must censor their comments section to prevent research.
@Creationsofmyown lol no im not duncan never changed his story bout his linage its always been the same. U R LIEING. Cite me where he has done this id fukin love to c it lol. Kawakami has never claimed ninja martial arts ur thinking of hatsumi dont confuse the two, u know absolutely nothing bout kawakami. u do nothing but go on hersay information which again is halarious. please ur wasting my time with ur nonsense
@Creationsofmyown duncan started teaching ninjutsu back in 1964 way before the ninja boom so why dont u actually do some REAL reasearch before u speak.. hes the FATHER OF AMERICAN NINJUTSU" he was the only man teaching ninjutsu in the united states at that time before anyway knew wut ninjutsu was. wayyyy before haynes braught bujinCOn to the states
@Creationsofmyown i defend kawakami because of wut the experts have to say about the man and the people who actually train with him stealth, posions, manuivers, ect kawakami teaches wut ninjutsu really is.. i already told u wut u saw was not ninjutsu h2h stuff in those videos.period. i already told u the few aspects of ninjutsu he demonstrated at the seminar. U DONT KNOW WUT UR TALKING BOUT
@Creationsofmyown O n by the way just so u know wut ur watching isnt suppose to be "ninja" martial arts its just bujutsu ur cing, at the seminar the only ninjutsu that was shown was a oral presentation where the panel asks him questions, and the only ninjutsu he showed was breathing and walking techniques.. thats the only referrance to ninjutsu at the seminar lol u would kno this if 1 u were actually there or 2 u own the whole seminar dvd like i do thats how i kno how dumb n retarted u sound
to be fair, this is kiyomoto, his successor BUT kawakami is there, front and center.
after antony cummins ( TSOAS2008) finishes his investigation of hatsumi, i bet he will be doing kawakami, though if he bests the story of hatsumi, he MAY not do another right away.
i suggest you join us on that investigation it is up on his channel. check it out. would love your input.
1) the guy can hardly manage to draw and sheath the katana. clearly no student of kenjutsu or iai.
2) you make up techniques for improvised weapons...improvised weapon should include improvised technique, otherwise you will only improvise weapons you have drilled for...
3) this is also to be fair, not kawakami... but it IS his heir, kiyomoto, and he is in the audience.
wow creation have u become so deluded and arrogant that you think you can judge other ppl's martial arts? did that one infamous book suddenly gave you the power to do so? on what basis do you claim that this guy is fake? you ask for proof from ninjutsu masters and you spend your entire day pestering the youtubers, can u not bring proof for ur own claims?
@Creationsofmyown how do u know if he is fake, and how do u know if "its a lie"? the same as we know... ect, i am sorry but u have failed to bring any evidence.i asked u this many times before and every time u failed to bring even a slightest evidence to back up ur claim. how does a man who is so hung up on evidence fails to bring even a slight proof to back up his own claim?i ll tell u how, becuase this is what u do argue for d sake of haveing an argument,
" i am sorry but u have failed to bring any evidence.i asked u this many times before and every time u failed to bring even a slightest evidence to back up ur claim"
nice to see you still have no problem lying, i keep telling you, they have fictional/mythical people as lineage members. your inability to discern that 70+% of the lineage is bogus names of people who never existed.
@Creation Of My Own with out having any knowledge or clue about what ur arguing about.i saw u do the same thing to another video.this is nothing more than pestering people and no one puts any weight on what u say.well i hope this be ur last comment on ninjutsu because frankly u dont know jack about it. u should go to a dojo and spend a few years and come back and try to comment on these videos.
"i hope this be ur last comment on ninjutsu because frankly u dont know jack about it"
i suppose we could say the same for you, since your definition opposes that of the only organizations capable of categorizing and authenticating this type of martial discipline.
"u should go to a dojo and spend a few years and come back and try to comment on these videos."
and i keep telling you, even 40 years in the dojo, won't make the people in the lineage real.
@Creationsofmyown no need for 40 years just do a couple of years then try to comment. just as i dont comment on nuclear physics (subject i have no clue about)u shouldnt be commenting on ninjutsu.
@Creationsofmyown just go trust me."first, i have bested a biologist in discussion of peer reviewed literature on cheetah pop. bottlenecks without training." some how i highty doubt that if ur doind what ur doing here then ur have already failed.
@Creationsofmyown we both know not only that u dont have evidence but also u dont know the evidence.it would be diff if u had exp in subject and u were just wrong but this case u dont know anythign about d subject and u cant bring any evience.tell me how do u argue on what u have which is nothing?
"we both know not only that u dont have evidence but also u dont know the evidence.it "
uh, what evidence would you like? is there a listing of all of the people who are imaginary in japan that i don't know about??? i told you, my evidence is that banke ryu' ishida is a fictional character. just like Toda Shinryuken Masamitsu...
and since i have never made the claim about hatsumi,. you retain the burden of proof for his claims of ninjutsu, where is your evidence??
you haven't disproved the zen nippon todo renmei, the BRD or the KNR and yet persist in trolling. moron so far the only argument you've given is "its because there is SO much media skewed BS accepted as ninFACT" which is the most retarded reason ive ever seen. there are a lot of media skewed bs hence this is false. do you know how dumb that is? these aren't pieces by the media these are respected publications.next time you post try posting something of value.
"you haven't disproved the zen nippon todo renmei, the BRD or the KNR and yet persist in trolling"
uh, i am blocking you if you dont cease this retarded tangent, if you cannot be honest about the legitimacy and actual position of the source you are citing, i am not going to tolerate your continued assaults here..
you know fully well that the bugei ryuha daijiten has the exact opposite position you are claiming.
@Creationsofmyown roflmao. in short you have no credible answer. the BRD recognise toshitsugu takamatsu and the togakure ryu. face it. you have no credible answer to this or the KNR or the Zen nippon todo renmei. the BRD cites takamatsu and also give the list of all the soke of the ryu who have ever existed. it's so pathetic that you have to lie about the BRD to bolster your trolling. maybe now you'l step into a real MA class and grow some balls. you FAIL. lol. disprove these sources if you can
Also. its a fucking logical fallacy to apply the negative's can't be proven rule. that only applies if there's no evidence for the thing in question. eg: if the KNR did not exist then it could not be proven false. however the book does exist. there are facts in it that CAN be checked. it's pathetic how you'l twist and mangle scientific laws to back up you're trollishness. you just go on and on and on fucking ignoring all the evidence given claiming "there's no evidence" disprove it or shut up.
"its a fucking logical fallacy to apply the negative's can't be proven rule"
are you fucking daft?
it seems you are misunderstanding what a logical fallacy is...
"that only applies if there's no evidence for the thing in question"
this is utter nonsense.
"if the KNR did not exist then it could not be proven false"
if the KNR actually fit the window, and didn't simply source contemporary sources it MAY have been a useful source. as post takamatsu, it is pointless.
@Creationsofmyown dumb ass. just because it's post takamatsu doesn't mean it's worthless. face it. you can't refute it nor can you refute the BRD nor can you refute the zen nippon todo renmei. "it's post takamatsu therefore it's pointless"? that's not what some of the leading researchers in the field of the history of the martial arts say about it. you don't even have a copy of the damn book yet persist in talking crap. face it you can't disprove it. youre just trolling like a complete moron.
". just because it's post takamatsu doesn't mean it's worthless"
it isn't worthless... it is just irrelevant in proving a pre takamatsu source for "ninja MA" ninjutsu BEING or INCLUDING MA,budo, taijutsu, so when i ASK for a pre takamatsu source
agree with BRD "in the third edition of the Bugei ryuha daijiten Watatani Kiyoshi stated that Takamatsu (who was, BTW, a personal friend of his) had created his “ninpo” ryuha and teachings from “ninja-gokko” (“childhood ninja games”
@Creationsofmyown basic point is. these documents prove that your claims of no evidence are bullshit. you can't handle it so you come up with some lame excuse of there is a lot of bs proposed by the media. well retard these aren't pieces by some journalist they're two or the most respected publication on japanese martial arts. maybe you ought to get your head out of your ass and start thinking? you still haven't offered a single piece of evidence which discredits any of these books. troll.
I've recently been reading some stuff on this guy and his teachings are supposedly based on ancient scrolls that explain ways of espionage,stealth,concealment, etc. and they are supposedly recognised as legitament. Not sure though.
lol forget this guy. his entire youtube account is centered round bashing ninjutsu and he's arguing with dozens of people on videos all over youtube. im pretty sure that doesnt leave much time for actual training. just some other random bitch ass troll without a life. or actually one thats fixated around proving ninjutsu is fake.
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I have shown everything. you are still hiding. Therefore I get another Epic win over another fruitcake troll bitch. Thank for revealing the truth of your cowardice and ignorance. LOL fucking loser. You shall remain u fucking wannabe. You are on bad ass keyboard warrior. lol all talk, like I said. you are all talk.
i already told you kid, your inability to recieve the message you asked for isnt my problem, you were sent it... you chose to have me on block, thats YOUR missed opportunity....
i guess without a teacher you couldnt figure out to open your ears when you ask things....
I have shown everything. you are still hiding. Therefore I get another Epic win over another fruitcake troll bitch. Thank for revealing the truth of your cowardice and ignorance. LOL fucking loser. You shall remain u fucking wannabe. You are on bad ass keyboard warrior. lol all talk, like I said. you are all talk.
i already told you kid, your inability to recieve the message you asked for isnt my problem, you were sent it... you chose to have me on block, thats YOUR missed opportunity....
i guess without a teacher you couldnt figure out to open your ears when you ask things....
i already told you kid, your inability to recieve the message you asked for isnt my problem, you were sent it... you chose to have me on block, thats YOUR missed opportunity....
i guess without a teacher you couldnt figure out to open your ears when you ask things....
i already told you kid, your inability to recieve the message you asked for isnt my problem, you were sent it... you chose to have me on block, thats YOUR missed opportunity....
i guess without a teacher you couldnt figure out to open your ears when you ask things....
i already told you kid, your inability to recieve the message you asked for isnt my problem, you were sent it... you chose to have me on block, thats YOUR missed opportunity....
i guess without a teacher you couldnt figure out to open your ears when you ask things....
i already told you kid, your inability to recieve the message you asked for isnt my problem, you were sent it... you chose to have me on block, thats YOUR missed opportunity....
i guess without a teacher you couldnt figure out to open your ears when you ask things....
i already told you kid, your inability to recieve the message you asked for isnt my problem, you were sent it... you chose to have me on block, thats YOUR missed opportunity....
i guess without a teacher you couldnt figure out to open your ears when you ask things....
i already told you kid, your inability to recieve the message you asked for isnt my problem, you were sent it... you chose to have me on block, thats YOUR missed opportunity....
i guess without a teacher you couldnt figure out to open your ears when you ask things....
i already told you kid, your inability to recieve the message you asked for isnt my problem, you were sent it... you chose to have me on block, thats YOUR missed opportunity....
i guess without a teacher you couldnt figure out to open your ears when you ask things....
This is the proof of your cowardice. Keep on hiding like the bitch you truly are.
Well? when are you going to show who you are? You challenged me to a fight and then you puss out and not let me know who you are? Wow you are a real tough guy there. Keep talking the shit bro, I know now you will never back it up. You are the worst kind of coward and chicken shit there is. I have won on all levels, now I will go out and enjoy the day with my family, unlike you you lonely sad pathetic lump of human shit. Say what ever you want I do not care anymore. You will never face me!LOL
Did you decide to shut the fuck up you coward? Or are you man enough to stand up and fight for yourself? without words, without hiding behind your anonymity? Do you have what it takes to let the world judge you? Or will you crumple under the pressure? Another EPIC VICTORY for real artists against the Jackals and trolls of the internet. I have illuminated the darkness of your lies with the light of my Sacred Fire. You can not fight against Truth, Love and freedom and expect to win the fight
if you were such a "real artist" wouldnt you be spending a little more time in training???
its a beautiful day out and u wanna cry about how i got your "SacredFireDojoShow" account banned for repeated Sexual harassment of 2 teenage boys.... how about you take your kids to the fucking park you dead beat loser.
@Creationsofmyown HAPPY EASTER MOTHER FUCKER. WHY DON'T YOU GET A LIFE A WIFE AND SOME KIDS BEFORE YOU WORRY ABOUT MY FAMILY FUCKTARD. YOU NEVER GOT ANYTHING BANNED, YOU WILL NOT SHOW WHO YOU ARE? I WIN ON ALL LEVELS. YOU CHALLENGED ME TO FIGHT SO I AWAIT TO BEAT YOU PHYSICALLY AS WELL AS MENTALLY AND SPIRITUALLY.
KEEP ON AVOIDING THE FACT THAT YOU GOT BEAT BY A DEAD BEAT LOSER NAMED DAN BOWEN. WHATS YOUR NAME? THAT'S RIGHT, YOU ARE AFRAID TO SAY! LOL I WIN AGAIN "CREATIONSOFNOTHING" LOSER
@Creationsofmyown If I am a kid you must be some decrepit middle aged whale jerking off behind a keyboard. Get a fucking life and quit fixating over mine. I am sorry that you have no friends or loved ones, maybe if you were not such a dick you might enjoy your life. I await your reply to my email. You have been unblocked and I have accepted your challenge. So now it is up to you you fucking coward. No more excuses or lies to hide behind now. Just truth. You are truly afraid. LOL
@DanBowenTV lol forget this guy. his entire youtube account is centered round bashing ninjutsu and he's arguing with dozens of people on videos all over youtube. im pretty sure that doesnt leave much time for actual training. just some other random bitch ass troll without a life. or actually one thats fixated around proving ninjutsu is fake. lol
@RhadeConstantine You are so right. This guy called me out, challenged me to a fight. Said I was banned from youtube for harassing minors and then chickens out when it comes time to drop the anonymity. Another Bitch Ass troll fixated on Ninja Bashing.
@Creationsofmyown lol forget this guy. his entire youtube account is centered round bashing ninjutsu and he's arguing with dozens of people on videos all over youtube. im pretty sure that doesnt leave much time for actual training. just some other random bitch ass troll without a life. or actually one thats fixated around proving ninjutsu is fake.
@Creationsofmyown lol it's hilarious that you ask him to spend a little more time training when you haven't stepped into a dojo even once in your entire life. you havent taken a single MA class and still go around talking crap. also the togakure ryu is recognised by the bugei ryuha daijiten the Kataori shinto ryu of ninjutsu is a koryu and before you go spastic they don't teach military strategy its just bs outta your ass. also respected MA historians and writers have stated NINJUTSU IS A MA
@Creationsofmyown lol. kakutogi no rekishi and bugei ryuha daijiten. Also look at donn f draegers work. I'm surprised to see you still have the shame to troll here after what happened on MAP. and the one whos making a strawman is you. I said its hilarious you asked him to train when you have never trained in your entire life. Why do you hesitate to come to a real martial art forum and insist on talking smack on utube? the zen nippon todo renmei has also accepted the bujinkan.
why is it that when i asked for a PR TAKAMATSU source ... you give 2 that POST DATE TAKAMATSU
"and the one whos making a strawman is you"
a more baseless accusation has yet to be made.. show this strawman. quote me fool.
"Why do you hesitate to come to a real martial art forum"
because i saw the convoluted way in which they are managed from arteanor's post on MAP... nobody actually provided evidence against him atleast 5 said he was proven wrong tho... odd isnt that?
@Creationsofmyown dumb troll. arteanor asked for a scan of the ToC which was put up two times. he refused to acknowledge that. he asked for pictures of what had been plagiarised. that was posted...7 times. do you understand what that means? just because he ignored it doesn't mean he provided evidence. we also put up information which showed that what antony had copied was infact copyrighted info and antony himself shot himself in the foot by claiming difference things at different times.
face it. just because you ignored evidence doesnt mean it does not exist. all the information was put up and more. you can continue feebly protesting that it wasn't put up but both of us know it was and it just makes you look incredibly incredibly thick. you seem incapable of accepting you're wrong. best of all a group of western martial artists also pointed out that a few years ago antony had come to them claiming he had learnt something completely new about talhouffner. now he's into karate
hayyaaaaawww wwhooooo!...
Freaks XD
abcdswo 6 months ago
This video reminds me of Hapkido. Korean Material Arts are similar to Japanese...or Japanese Material Arts are similar to Korean?? o_0
sokucho 10 months ago
@sokucho Nah this guy is a fake, Jinichi Kawakami claims to teach koka/koga ryu (which is dead)
TheHumbleNinja 9 months ago
@TheHumbleNinja
it is also worth noting that ALL of the people currently claiming to teach ninjutsu are fake....
you may want to build a house of wood before you go throwing stones at your neighbor...
ninjutsu is as dead as koka ryu.
Creationsofmyown 8 months ago
@Creationsofmyown I don't need a house to throw rocks at Jinichi Kawakami. What I learn isn't really relevant but, I'm always open to debate the bujinkan's legitimacy
TheHumbleNinja 8 months ago
@TheHumbleNinja
you currently reside in a house of glass, you are throwing stones (accusations of illegitimacy) at people who are JUST AS FAKE AS YOUR TEACHERS.
i'm always open to discuss the illegitimacy of the bujinkan, however since there has never been any evidence for the claims of ninjutsu made by takamatsu, i hope you can understand that i won't be able to take your, or his word for it...
did u know that takamatsu first called his taijutsu 'kukishin ryu ninpo' then 'togakure ryu'?
Creationsofmyown 8 months ago
@Creationsofmyown soke has scrolls and documents. there are plenty of people who went to him saw the documents and said they're real.
TheHumbleNinja 8 months ago
@TheHumbleNinja
"soke has scrolls and documents."
written by takamatsu. he claims they were kuden before he wrote them down, but they show none of the structure of kuden transmissions. no rhyming/meter to help you remember them, and no ninjutsu, just bad budo...
"there are plenty of people who went to him saw the documents and said they're real."
funny, the Koryu societies have never gotten a look, they are the ONLY source capable of authenticating them.
Creationsofmyown 8 months ago
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TheHumbleNinja 8 months ago
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@Creationsofmyown
"written by takamatsu. he claims they were kuden before he wrote them down"
I didn't know this, can you show me your sources to back up this statement?
"funny, the Koryu societies have never gotten a look, they are the ONLY source capable of authenticating them."
no they're not
TheHumbleNinja 8 months ago
@TheHumbleNinja
'"written by takamatsu. he claims they were kuden before he wrote them down"
I didn't know this, can you show me your sources to back up this statement?'
which part, the one is from an interview between Kacem and KWOON magazine.... google those 3 words, easy find. actually i think they're both there... check first.
'no they're not'
so you think that you can arbitrarily denounce the authority given to the koryu societies BY THE EMPEROR??? AND substitute them for foreigners?
Arteanor 8 months ago
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@Arteanor "so you think that you can arbitrarily denounce the authority given to the koryu societies BY THE EMPEROR??? AND substitute them for foreigners?"
who said anything about foreigners?
TheHumbleNinja 8 months ago
@TheHumbleNinja
uh. Kacem Zoughari is the only historian that i have heard of getting to see the documents.
i told you where you can find an interview talking about what he thought of them... you not following citations, and pretending that a guy named Kacem Zoughari is japanese are BOTH absolutely ludicrous wastes of my time...
i have shown my position to be backed by evidence... can you do the same? historical evidence for ninjuts being/including martial arts/taijutsu. why so hard?
Arteanor 8 months ago
@Arteanor "you not following citations," I'm not going to take you seriously, your telling me to google things and your using fake accounts.
" and pretending that a guy named Kacem Zoughari is japanese are BOTH absolutely ludicrous wastes of my time..." who said kacem is japanese? your wasting my time, with stupid mistakes.
"i have shown my position to be backed by evidence.."
no you didn't you didn't give me any links or page numbers or tittles.
TheHumbleNinja 8 months ago
@TheHumbleNinja
i said, you are hold up experts who are foreigners, as kacem is the only person i know who has actually SEEN the densho....
shall i bury you with his words some more?
'Kacem, to Kwoon magazine "So yes, these “famous” densho, I had the chance to see them and read a few. Now to say that Takamatsu sensei created these schools is hard to say, and to prove… Even Hatsumi sensei says openly that he doesn’t know.'
did you need that again? or did u get it this time?
Arteanor 8 months ago
@TheHumbl
'Tatara magazine page 6.
John Lindsey in an interview with Tanemura S asks: "Did Takamatsu S always call it Togakure ryu?":
"Not at first. When he was associated with the Kuki family he planed to introduce Kukishin Ryu Ninpo in the form of scrolls and densho. But after the war he distanced himself from the Kuki family and decided not to do this. then he met Hatsumi S. and Fukumoto s. Takamatsu S.i decided to teach them Ninpo. That is when he decided to use the name Ninpo.'
Arteanor 8 months ago
@Arteanor You obviously get your information from antony cummins and message boards. Your just listening to other people for your information its so obvious. I have a list of researchers that saw densho owned by masaaki hatsumi and said there real 3 of which are japanese. I forget the names, I know nawa sensei of masaaki ryu said they were real. You saying the bujinkan is just bad budo is retarded, there is so much ninjutsu in togakure, I know a bunch of techqneices that arnt taijutsu related.
TheHumbleNinja 8 months ago
@TheHumbleNinja
"You obviously get your information from antony cummins and message boards. "
funny, i cited the bujinkan's historian IN AN INTERVIEW, and A JAPANESE MAGAZINE.... nice lie.
"Your just listening to other people for your information its so obvious'
obviously you believe anything said by hatsumi...
'there is so much ninjutsu in togakure'
i suggest you check out ' Togakure ryu is a Low class art' here on youtube. shows your lying more...
no lockpicking, arson, poison, in-nin....
Arteanor 8 months ago
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@Arteanor "funny, i cited the bujinkan's historian IN AN INTERVIEW, and A JAPANESE MAGAZINE.... nice lie."
It had nothing to do with scrolls, it wasnt a lie you posted that after my post...? and it proved nothing, if you knew anything about the bujinkan you would know why.
"obviously you believe anything said by hatsumi..." ???
"i suggest you check out ' Togakure ryu is a Low class art' here on youtube. shows your lying more..."
thats a lie there are techneqes that involes poison and arson
TheHumbleNinja 8 months ago
@Arteanor your also siting a video on youtube made by a person with no creditbity this is pointless and a hopless conversation do to the fact you havnt taken time to learn anything about the bujinkan
TheHumbleNinja 8 months ago
@TheHumbleNinja
funny, i know more about the bujinkan, and it's history than you do... because you think this sort of discussion is a debate of some sort....
how about this... i put you in touch with the BUJINKAN INSTRUCTOR WHO TOLD ME ALL OF THIS>>>>>
his name is Torashin, you can track him down here on youtube, it is not up to me to share his name.
i have no credibility? should i count the lies i have caught you in?? prove ANYTHING i have said is incorrect...
BAKKA
Arteanor 8 months ago
@Arteanor never said history can be debated, i said its legitimacy can. You caught me in nothing, your retarded I disproved everything you have said. You obviously can't read.
You said Koryu organizations are the only ones who can authenticate a school (WRONG)
You said, I said Dr Kacem is japanese (??? WRONG)
You advicated the ninpo arts in the bujinkan only teach taijutsu (WRONG)
Keep swallowing antonys videos and then pulling them out of your ass in augments. Keep using other accounts too
TheHumbleNinja 8 months ago
@TheHumbleNinja
good to see you have the BALLS to reply, rather than type my name in...
"never said history can be debated, i said its legitimacy can. "
so are you saying what i have said ISN'T true? i hope you can provide evidence for the claim that my evidence is illegitimate.
"Keep swallowing antonys videos and then pulling them out of your ass in augments"
my sources, kukishin ryu, and tanemura, are in no way related to antony.
Arteanor 8 months ago
@Arteanor "so are you saying"
If you keep assuming like that we are just going on and on, what you provided proved nothing. Takamatsu could have called the schools what ever he wanted...he was the soke. He could have mashed all the schools together and made "kuki ninpo" if he wanted. Its widely known in the bujinkan and the genbukan that there is some ninpo in kukishinden. I just gave two perfectly valid reasons why, Takamatsu's teachings could be called "kuki ninpo".
TheHumbleNinja 8 months ago
@TheHumbleNinja
"If you keep assuming like that we are just going on and on,"
i am forced to assume when you won't answer a question or elaborate.
" Takamatsu could have called the schools what ever he wanted...he was the soke. "
ok,,, so he can CALL THEM NINJUTSU... you are correct, he CAN do this, however, he became the laughing stock of the budo community when he did.
"I just gave two perfectly valid reasons ... "kuki ninpo""
neither is 'because kuki taught him it' so not even valid.
Arteanor 8 months ago
@Arteanor "neither is 'because kuki taught him it' so not even valid."
It is valid because he learned more then one art and is the soke of more then one art.
This is basic stuff if you dont know that he was tought by Toda. SO HE COULD HAVE PUT THE TWO TEACHINGS TOGETHER. That's perfectly valid.
TheHumbleNinja 8 months ago
@TheHumbleNinja
"It is valid because he learned more then one art and is the soke of more then one art."
but none of them is kukishin ryu ninpo... check his densho...
"This is basic stuff if you dont know that he was tought by Toda."
he made up the story of toda and togakure, and used the same skills he started teaching hatsumi AFTER he had been teaching it AS kukishin ryu ninpo, and AFTER kukishin had told him he couldnt use kukishin's name/reputation to open his hybrid MA dojo
Arteanor 8 months ago
@Arteanor
"ok,,, so he can CALL THEM NINJUTSU"
at this point your just not making any sense, the ninpo schools have always been ninpo schools. He never changed a school to be ninpo?
TheHumbleNinja 8 months ago
@TheHumbleNinja
"at this point your just not making any sense, the ninpo schools have always been ninpo schools.He never changed a school to be ninpo?"
that is exactly what he did. before takamatsu nobody thought ninjutsu was a martial art... its his idea....
its not fighting, its bujutsu.
there is no link past takamatsu....
that is why takamatsu had to write all of the densho, makimono
and why we have an incomplete/fake name for his own grandpa toda that doesn't appear anywhere else...
Arteanor 8 months ago
@Arteanor "that is exactly what he did"
what school did he change to ninjutsu then?
"and why we have an incomplete/fake name for his own grandpa toda that doesn't appear anywhere else..."
we found his grave
TheHumbleNinja 8 months ago
@TheHumbleNinja
"what school did he change to ninjutsu then?"
he used the martial arts he had been given menkyo for... and what he learned in china, with forms from karate. and called it ninjutsu... before this, nobody except maybe comic books referred to ninjutsu as a martial art.
"we found his grave"
how could you have lost it? and why can nobody give his proper name then?
and a picture of his grave marker so we can check the name.
would be helpful. nobody can manage it tho.
Arteanor 8 months ago
@Arteanor kacem found it, I don't know kacems e-mail address, but I do know paul richardson's. I'll email paul, see if I can get that picture.
TheHumbleNinja 8 months ago
@TheHumbleNinja
don't you think hatsumi would be the least bit interested in the guy who taught his teacher?
he had to have already known... kacem is hatsumi's historian, why wouldn't hatsumi have just gone? why would kacem need to find it???
i would really appreciate the picture, the name too, if you can manage it...
Arteanor 8 months ago
@Arteanor hatsumi knows about it, kacem is the historian, its his job to go authenticate the grave.its not a big deal for hatsumi, he already knows Toda existed. He was the soke of a very well known jujutsu school with documented students. the real question is, was he the soke of ninjutsu schools?
I will work on the pictures of the grave but, in return I wan't you to find those "forms from karate" in the bujinkan curriculum for me.
TheHumbleNinja 8 months ago
@TheHumbleNinja
"He was the soke of a very well known jujutsu school with documented students. the real question is, was he the soke of ninjutsu schools?"
funny, i have heard this claimed... never seen any paperwork on him or these students... nobody can manage to show them, strange hmm? almost as if they were fictional....
"I wan't you to find those "forms from karate" in the bujinkan curriculum for me."
they are takamatsu's words from his letter... Kukishinden Zensho... will send the page.
Arteanor 8 months ago
@Arteanor "funny, i have heard this claimed... never seen any paperwork on him or these students... nobody can manage to show them, strange hmm? almost as if they were fictional...."
Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean its not real. I haven't seen you but that doesn't mean your not a real person. Look in the bugei ryuha daijiten, it clearly states, his connection to the well known jujutsu school as well too 3 other schools. Also a member of the kuki family was a student at Toda's dojo
TheHumbleNinja 8 months ago
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@TheHumbleNinja
"Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean its not real."
no, i said, that nobody can provide evidence for these claims... just assert them.
" I haven't seen you but that doesn't mean your not a real person."
i could be a machine
"Look in the bugei ryuha daijiten, it clearly states, his connection to the well known jujutsu school as well too 3 other schools"
BRD is a list of CLAIMS, not proven facts.
'member of the kuki family was a student at Toda's dojo' name? source?
Arteanor 8 months ago
@Arteanor
"BRD is a list of CLAIMS, not proven facts."
small portions of the bugei ryuha daijiten are speculation by the author and the public, but only small portions. "name?"
Kuki Takei "source?"
Takamatsu, he trained with him. That's when he started to get connections with the kuki family, I believe.
TheHumbleNinja 8 months ago
@TheHumbleNinja
"small portions of the bugei ryuha daijiten are speculation by the author and the public, but only small portions."
so if the BRD is a list of proven facts, which edition do we find the real lineage of togakure ryu in???
there are 3 different entries, all quite different... the first even claims 10 of the bansenshukai's 11 most famous shinobi page, ALL were holders of Togakure ryu...
kuki takei, i asked where you got this from, its source. takamatsu is dead, try again
Arteanor 8 months ago
@TheHumbleNinja i have been after these sorts of tough answers, to these questions, and getting the citations to prove it, for several years, everybody challenged has remained unable to provide any actual evidence of toda masamitsu shinryuken...
we need his real name,,, it isn't masamitsu, and shinryuken is a 'warrior name' ....
if you guys have lost the name of your lineage holder from modern to koryu cutoff date, how much else have you lost???
how can it even be a full transmission?
Arteanor 8 months ago
@Arteanor
"if you guys have lost the name of your lineage holder from modern to koryu cutoff date, how much else have you lost???"
we didn't lose anything, he went by "Toda Shinryuken Masamitsu" why are to to blame? That's all that was given too us, we can't help it he used a warrior name.
"or several years, everybody challenged has remained unable to provide any actual evidence of toda masamitsu shinryuken" just gave you a name of a student, plus soke has writings from toda
TheHumbleNinja 8 months ago
@TheHumbleNinja
"we didn't lose anything, he went by "Toda Shinryuken Masamitsu"'
then why has nobody else ever heard of this guy???
no tax records? i thought he ran a dojo....
" why are to to blame? That's all that was given too us, we can't help it he used a warrior name."
so you only have what you were GIVEN??
but this is the Soke's teachers teacher.... your lack of curiosity itself is evidence against your school having ANY sort of ninjutsu( intelligence agent)...
your job is to know.
Arteanor 8 months ago
@TheHumbleNinja
"just gave you a name of a student, plus soke has writings from toda"
i will work fast to authenticate your claims.
and even kacem says the densho are written by takamatsu. there are some that we know are written by ishitani, and there is another from some OTHER person, that you are ASSUMING is Toda,
funny, he 'goes by' masamitsu shinryuken, but nobody ever heard him 'go by' that...
this is why the koryu societies gave takamatsu the pass... he can't prove it...
Arteanor 8 months ago
@Arteanor "good to see you have the BALLS to reply, rather than type my name in..."
What..?
TheHumbleNinja 8 months ago
@Arteanor You just learn all of this from antony cummins its so sad. Go get a real connection to japanese school, stop reading message boards. Its funny you call me out, on my school when you dont even go to one. Atleast antony studied in the bujinkan, and goes to japan. You just tell me to google a magazine for a interview, then you think you got me when you actually give me a tittle and a page number, but it turns out to prove nothing.
TheHumbleNinja 8 months ago
Whos the "BAKKA" now?
TheHumbleNinja 8 months ago
i dont c anything wrong with the two videos on Kawakami and Kyomoto these r two very small videos compared to the how long the seminar was ,i believe lasted 3 days.. My Senseis were all present and believed the seminar went very well they were all very impressed with Kawakami's knowledge and technique, again this is comming from people who were actually there.
harleyqslovechild88 1 year ago
@harleyqslovechild88
"i dont c anything wrong with the two videos on Kawakami and Kyomoto these r two very small videos"
ok, then it seems you are in desperate need of some education on the topic.
calling your martial arts ninjutsu is the best way to have your claims ignored in japan, especially when you do it without evidence...
"My Senseis were all present and believed the seminar went very well they were all very impressed with Kawakami's knowledge and technique'
qualified how? what ryu?
Creationsofmyown 1 year ago
@Creationsofmyown R u one of those annoying guys that repeats everything someone says? i know wut i said its listed above u dont have to repeat me like a parrot. relax alil. Im not in desperate need of anything u r, i dont c any videos of u performing any martial arts or ect.. so dont be asking me about my ryu like ur a somebody because well ur not. plain n simple.
harleyqslovechild88 1 year ago
@harleyqslovechild88
"i dont c any videos of u performing any martial arts or ect"
uh what relevance does that have? ah right, none.
"so dont be asking me about my ryu like ur a somebody because well ur not. plain n simple."
i'm not? and you ARE? based on what? you saying you study a ryu of ninjutsu... how very ninja of you to give yourself away...
i ask you because there is no extant ryu of ninjutsu, which we can clearly see from the historical record, IS NOT a MARTIAL ART!
you fail twice
Creationsofmyown 1 year ago
@Creationsofmyown your telling me things i already known yo, im familiar with the actual role shinobi played in history. n there is no history record that says ninjutsu is dead thats bullshit.perioid. there is no record saying all ninjutsu is dead it does not exist. the relivance to saying u dont have anything with u performing was directed towards ur ignorance of kawakamis techniques. since u seem to base performance off of youtube videos which is halarious.but ya u should be taken seriously..
harleyqslovechild88 1 year ago
@harleyqslovechild88
"your telling me things i already known yo, im familiar with the actual role shinobi played in history."
then why do you think that they would even benefit from using a different martial art? it would give away that they were shinobi.
"n there is no history record that says ninjutsu is dead thats bullshit.perioid."
i agree, but of course, i never said any thing even close to that. so how about you lose the strawman and quote what i DID say?
Creationsofmyown 1 year ago
@harleyqslovechild88
"he relivance to saying u dont have anything with u performing was directed towards ur ignorance of kawakamis techniques."
but kawakami's techniques include this absurd notion of ninja martial arts that people can't help but want to buy...
"since u seem to base performance off of youtube videos which is halarious"
this is not about performance.
this is about historicity of his school, of which there is none... he is another example, just like hatsumi, that saw opportunity
Creationsofmyown 1 year ago
@Creationsofmyown There was a panel present for kawakami of experts in koryu arts and japanese language and culture these r known facts. say wut u want about the panel bc u def r not more of n expert then any of them. and to top it off u werent even there but yet i am the one who needs to be schooled lol rediculious. As for my instructures n system people like James loriega were there master karim, duncan, they were all there and participated in the seminar
harleyqslovechild88 1 year ago
@harleyqslovechild88
"say wut u want about the panel bc u def r not more of n expert then any of them"
i never claimed to be... get a clue...
it isn't fake martial arts... it just isn't ninjutsu kiddo, don't get so bent out of shape.
"and to top it off u werent even there "
another assertion? did you even ASK if i were there? bakka
"As for my instructures n system people like James loriega were there master karim, duncan"
ROFL all i needed... fake ninjas galore.... thanks for the laugh.
Creationsofmyown 1 year ago
@Creationsofmyown how do u know there fake.. OoOoO WAIT ITS FROM UR VAST! Knowledge on the subject lol unbelievable .like i told u, its u that needs to get a clue, i didnt need to ask if u were there cause i kno u werent, because ur pathetic n ud be to scared to show ur face after all the bullshit lies uve said on other video posts. An there u go repeating me again. N yeah those r my instructors then there better 98% of all bujinCON 15-30 degree blk belts
harleyqslovechild88 1 year ago
@harleyqslovechild88
" N yeah those r my instructors then there better 98% of all bujinCON 15-30 degree blk belts"
you mean the instructors that all got their 'ninjutusu' from ronald duncan who has changed his story of where he learned ninjutsu twice after publishing it...
you are simply defending kawakami to protect the interests of your deluded teachers that must censor their comments section to prevent research.
fakes banding together is a good idea though...
Creationsofmyown 1 year ago
@Creationsofmyown lol no im not duncan never changed his story bout his linage its always been the same. U R LIEING. Cite me where he has done this id fukin love to c it lol. Kawakami has never claimed ninja martial arts ur thinking of hatsumi dont confuse the two, u know absolutely nothing bout kawakami. u do nothing but go on hersay information which again is halarious. please ur wasting my time with ur nonsense
harleyqslovechild88 1 year ago
@harleyqslovechild88
"lol no im not duncan never changed his story bout his linage its always been the same. U R LIEING. Cite me where he has done this"
CROSSFIRE MAGAZINE, i wanna say 89.,...
Creationsofmyown 1 year ago
@Creationsofmyown yeah wut bout crossfire mag ? lol
harleyqslovechild88 1 year ago
@Creationsofmyown ive seen crossfire mag with his linage wut bout it, wheres the other publication to say he changed anything????
harleyqslovechild88 1 year ago
@Creationsofmyown duncan started teaching ninjutsu back in 1964 way before the ninja boom so why dont u actually do some REAL reasearch before u speak.. hes the FATHER OF AMERICAN NINJUTSU" he was the only man teaching ninjutsu in the united states at that time before anyway knew wut ninjutsu was. wayyyy before haynes braught bujinCOn to the states
harleyqslovechild88 1 year ago
@Creationsofmyown i defend kawakami because of wut the experts have to say about the man and the people who actually train with him stealth, posions, manuivers, ect kawakami teaches wut ninjutsu really is.. i already told u wut u saw was not ninjutsu h2h stuff in those videos.period. i already told u the few aspects of ninjutsu he demonstrated at the seminar. U DONT KNOW WUT UR TALKING BOUT
harleyqslovechild88 1 year ago
@Creationsofmyown O and i never said u said ninjutsu was completely dead im not strawmaning u
harleyqslovechild88 1 year ago
@Creationsofmyown O n by the way just so u know wut ur watching isnt suppose to be "ninja" martial arts its just bujutsu ur cing, at the seminar the only ninjutsu that was shown was a oral presentation where the panel asks him questions, and the only ninjutsu he showed was breathing and walking techniques.. thats the only referrance to ninjutsu at the seminar lol u would kno this if 1 u were actually there or 2 u own the whole seminar dvd like i do thats how i kno how dumb n retarted u sound
harleyqslovechild88 1 year ago
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shinbudoka 1 year ago
I luv the part @:34 how he misses.N then puts the ring on the sword..LOL Yhis is my favorite kawakami video by far!!! I wanna see more...LOL
computron808 1 year ago
@computron808
to be fair, this is kiyomoto, his successor BUT kawakami is there, front and center.
after antony cummins ( TSOAS2008) finishes his investigation of hatsumi, i bet he will be doing kawakami, though if he bests the story of hatsumi, he MAY not do another right away.
i suggest you join us on that investigation it is up on his channel. check it out. would love your input.
Arteanor 1 year ago
I'm surprised you can't tell the difference between what Hatsumi demonstrates and this garbage.
Marumasa 1 year ago
is this supposed to be a joke.. or just a planned beforehand demonstration?
IronfistedPriest 1 year ago
@IronfistedPriest
this is part of a planned demo...
but doesnt it totally defeat the purpose if :
1) the guy can hardly manage to draw and sheath the katana. clearly no student of kenjutsu or iai.
2) you make up techniques for improvised weapons...improvised weapon should include improvised technique, otherwise you will only improvise weapons you have drilled for...
3) this is also to be fair, not kawakami... but it IS his heir, kiyomoto, and he is in the audience.
Arteanor 1 year ago
buuuuuuu
datoippon 1 year ago
is that kawakami himself if so why is he a fraud again???
alterTrinityfang 1 year ago
@alterTrinityfang
first, no, this is kiyomoto kawakami's heir. kawakami was/is retired, he is however present in the audience.
second, he relies, much like the takamatsu-den arts, on a lineage holder in modern times that seems to be totally nonexistent.
Creationsofmyown 1 year ago
wow creation have u become so deluded and arrogant that you think you can judge other ppl's martial arts? did that one infamous book suddenly gave you the power to do so? on what basis do you claim that this guy is fake? you ask for proof from ninjutsu masters and you spend your entire day pestering the youtubers, can u not bring proof for ur own claims?
fardisghomeshi 1 year ago
@fardisghomeshi
i can have an opinion on anything i damn well please.
watch me voice it, call it judgement if you please, it only puts that much more weight behind it, and thats all on you...
"did that one infamous book suddenly gave"
no, i was correcting an outright lie, thats why it was referenced.
"on what basis do you claim that this guy is fake?"
the same as we know togakure ryu is fake, it has fictional people holding places..
and to be clear, skepticism needs no proof.
Creationsofmyown 1 year ago
@Creationsofmyown how do u know if he is fake, and how do u know if "its a lie"? the same as we know... ect, i am sorry but u have failed to bring any evidence.i asked u this many times before and every time u failed to bring even a slightest evidence to back up ur claim. how does a man who is so hung up on evidence fails to bring even a slight proof to back up his own claim?i ll tell u how, becuase this is what u do argue for d sake of haveing an argument,
fardisghomeshi 1 year ago
@fardisghomeshi
" i am sorry but u have failed to bring any evidence.i asked u this many times before and every time u failed to bring even a slightest evidence to back up ur claim"
nice to see you still have no problem lying, i keep telling you, they have fictional/mythical people as lineage members. your inability to discern that 70+% of the lineage is bogus names of people who never existed.
Creationsofmyown 1 year ago
@Creation Of My Own with out having any knowledge or clue about what ur arguing about.i saw u do the same thing to another video.this is nothing more than pestering people and no one puts any weight on what u say.well i hope this be ur last comment on ninjutsu because frankly u dont know jack about it. u should go to a dojo and spend a few years and come back and try to comment on these videos.
fardisghomeshi 1 year ago
@fardisghomeshi
"i hope this be ur last comment on ninjutsu because frankly u dont know jack about it"
i suppose we could say the same for you, since your definition opposes that of the only organizations capable of categorizing and authenticating this type of martial discipline.
"u should go to a dojo and spend a few years and come back and try to comment on these videos."
and i keep telling you, even 40 years in the dojo, won't make the people in the lineage real.
Creationsofmyown 1 year ago
@Creationsofmyown no need for 40 years just do a couple of years then try to comment. just as i dont comment on nuclear physics (subject i have no clue about)u shouldnt be commenting on ninjutsu.
fardisghomeshi 1 year ago
@fardisghomeshi
"no need for 40 years just do a couple of years "
if you can show me how time in a dojo can change the history to make the lineage holders real, and not fictional characters, you have yourself a deal.
"just as i dont comment on nuclear physics (subject i have no clue about)u shouldnt be commenting on ninjutsu."
first, i have bested a biologist in discussion of peer reviewed literature on cheetah pop. bottlenecks without training.
recognize the level of study i have on you.
Creationsofmyown 1 year ago
@Creationsofmyown just go trust me."first, i have bested a biologist in discussion of peer reviewed literature on cheetah pop. bottlenecks without training." some how i highty doubt that if ur doind what ur doing here then ur have already failed.
fardisghomeshi 1 year ago
@fardisghomeshi
his youtube name is 42base13 its on donxodus2's "noah's ark and thee cheetah video near february of 09, go check it if you dont believe me...
and i did precisely what i do here, and elsewhere, i correct errors/assumptions
"some how i highty doubt that if ur doind what ur doing here then ur have already failed"
this is a logical fallacy, whether you doubt it or not is not relevant to it's veracity, you personal incredulity is a meaningless argument.
Creationsofmyown 1 year ago
@Creationsofmyown we both know not only that u dont have evidence but also u dont know the evidence.it would be diff if u had exp in subject and u were just wrong but this case u dont know anythign about d subject and u cant bring any evience.tell me how do u argue on what u have which is nothing?
fardisghomeshi 1 year ago
@fardisghomeshi
"we both know not only that u dont have evidence but also u dont know the evidence.it "
uh, what evidence would you like? is there a listing of all of the people who are imaginary in japan that i don't know about??? i told you, my evidence is that banke ryu' ishida is a fictional character. just like Toda Shinryuken Masamitsu...
and since i have never made the claim about hatsumi,. you retain the burden of proof for his claims of ninjutsu, where is your evidence??
Creationsofmyown 1 year ago
@ksr1219
agreed.
but this is the kind of stuff that is being touted as ninjutsu... laughable isnt it?
Creationsofmyown 1 year ago
you haven't disproved the zen nippon todo renmei, the BRD or the KNR and yet persist in trolling. moron so far the only argument you've given is "its because there is SO much media skewed BS accepted as ninFACT" which is the most retarded reason ive ever seen. there are a lot of media skewed bs hence this is false. do you know how dumb that is? these aren't pieces by the media these are respected publications.next time you post try posting something of value.
RhadeConstantine 1 year ago
@RhadeConstantine
"you haven't disproved the zen nippon todo renmei, the BRD or the KNR and yet persist in trolling"
uh, i am blocking you if you dont cease this retarded tangent, if you cannot be honest about the legitimacy and actual position of the source you are citing, i am not going to tolerate your continued assaults here..
you know fully well that the bugei ryuha daijiten has the exact opposite position you are claiming.
nice personal incredulity fallacy.
Creationsofmyown 1 year ago
@Creationsofmyown roflmao. in short you have no credible answer. the BRD recognise toshitsugu takamatsu and the togakure ryu. face it. you have no credible answer to this or the KNR or the Zen nippon todo renmei. the BRD cites takamatsu and also give the list of all the soke of the ryu who have ever existed. it's so pathetic that you have to lie about the BRD to bolster your trolling. maybe now you'l step into a real MA class and grow some balls. you FAIL. lol. disprove these sources if you can
RhadeConstantine 1 year ago
Also. its a fucking logical fallacy to apply the negative's can't be proven rule. that only applies if there's no evidence for the thing in question. eg: if the KNR did not exist then it could not be proven false. however the book does exist. there are facts in it that CAN be checked. it's pathetic how you'l twist and mangle scientific laws to back up you're trollishness. you just go on and on and on fucking ignoring all the evidence given claiming "there's no evidence" disprove it or shut up.
RhadeConstantine 1 year ago
@RhadeConstantine
"its a fucking logical fallacy to apply the negative's can't be proven rule"
are you fucking daft?
it seems you are misunderstanding what a logical fallacy is...
"that only applies if there's no evidence for the thing in question"
this is utter nonsense.
"if the KNR did not exist then it could not be proven false"
if the KNR actually fit the window, and didn't simply source contemporary sources it MAY have been a useful source. as post takamatsu, it is pointless.
Creationsofmyown 1 year ago
@Creationsofmyown dumb ass. just because it's post takamatsu doesn't mean it's worthless. face it. you can't refute it nor can you refute the BRD nor can you refute the zen nippon todo renmei. "it's post takamatsu therefore it's pointless"? that's not what some of the leading researchers in the field of the history of the martial arts say about it. you don't even have a copy of the damn book yet persist in talking crap. face it you can't disprove it. youre just trolling like a complete moron.
RhadeConstantine 1 year ago
@RhadeConstantine
". just because it's post takamatsu doesn't mean it's worthless"
it isn't worthless... it is just irrelevant in proving a pre takamatsu source for "ninja MA" ninjutsu BEING or INCLUDING MA,budo, taijutsu, so when i ASK for a pre takamatsu source
agree with BRD "in the third edition of the Bugei ryuha daijiten Watatani Kiyoshi stated that Takamatsu (who was, BTW, a personal friend of his) had created his “ninpo” ryuha and teachings from “ninja-gokko” (“childhood ninja games”
Creationsofmyown 1 year ago
@RhadeConstantine
"nor can you refute the zen nippon todo renmei."
i don't have to. they are not a koryu society, they have no right or business in recognizing ANYTHING to do with ninjutsu.
"that's not what some of the leading researchers in the field of the history of the martial arts say about it."
put some names down or you are falling into an authority fallacy. you may need to prove they are really experts.
"face it you can't disprove it" i dont try, i laugh that you can't read it.
Creationsofmyown 1 year ago
@Creationsofmyown basic point is. these documents prove that your claims of no evidence are bullshit. you can't handle it so you come up with some lame excuse of there is a lot of bs proposed by the media. well retard these aren't pieces by some journalist they're two or the most respected publication on japanese martial arts. maybe you ought to get your head out of your ass and start thinking? you still haven't offered a single piece of evidence which discredits any of these books. troll.
RhadeConstantine 1 year ago
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themagoo9 1 year ago
I've recently been reading some stuff on this guy and his teachings are supposedly based on ancient scrolls that explain ways of espionage,stealth,concealment, etc. and they are supposedly recognised as legitament. Not sure though.
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and your going to remain waiting...
i already told you kid, your inability to recieve the message you asked for isnt my problem, you were sent it... you chose to have me on block, thats YOUR missed opportunity....
i guess without a teacher you couldnt figure out to open your ears when you ask things....
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DanBowenTV 1 year ago
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Creationsofmyown
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and your going to remain waiting...
i already told you kid, your inability to recieve the message you asked for isnt my problem, you were sent it... you chose to have me on block, thats YOUR missed opportunity....
i guess without a teacher you couldnt figure out to open your ears when you ask things....
DanBowenTV 1 year ago
Creationsofmyown
Re: still waiting..........................
Re: still waiting..........................
and your going to remain waiting...
i already told you kid, your inability to recieve the message you asked for isnt my problem, you were sent it... you chose to have me on block, thats YOUR missed opportunity....
i guess without a teacher you couldnt figure out to open your ears when you ask things....
DanBowenTV 1 year ago
Creationsofmyown
Re: still waiting..........................
Re: still waiting..........................
and your going to remain waiting...
i already told you kid, your inability to recieve the message you asked for isnt my problem, you were sent it... you chose to have me on block, thats YOUR missed opportunity....
i guess without a teacher you couldnt figure out to open your ears when you ask things....
This is the proof of your cowardice. Keep on hiding like the bitch you truly are.
DanBowenTV 1 year ago
Well? when are you going to show who you are? You challenged me to a fight and then you puss out and not let me know who you are? Wow you are a real tough guy there. Keep talking the shit bro, I know now you will never back it up. You are the worst kind of coward and chicken shit there is. I have won on all levels, now I will go out and enjoy the day with my family, unlike you you lonely sad pathetic lump of human shit. Say what ever you want I do not care anymore. You will never face me!LOL
DanBowenTV 1 year ago
Did you decide to shut the fuck up you coward? Or are you man enough to stand up and fight for yourself? without words, without hiding behind your anonymity? Do you have what it takes to let the world judge you? Or will you crumple under the pressure? Another EPIC VICTORY for real artists against the Jackals and trolls of the internet. I have illuminated the darkness of your lies with the light of my Sacred Fire. You can not fight against Truth, Love and freedom and expect to win the fight
DanBowenTV 1 year ago
@DanBowenTV
mmhmm keep on crying kid...
if you were such a "real artist" wouldnt you be spending a little more time in training???
its a beautiful day out and u wanna cry about how i got your "SacredFireDojoShow" account banned for repeated Sexual harassment of 2 teenage boys.... how about you take your kids to the fucking park you dead beat loser.
Creationsofmyown 1 year ago
@Creationsofmyown HAPPY EASTER MOTHER FUCKER. WHY DON'T YOU GET A LIFE A WIFE AND SOME KIDS BEFORE YOU WORRY ABOUT MY FAMILY FUCKTARD. YOU NEVER GOT ANYTHING BANNED, YOU WILL NOT SHOW WHO YOU ARE? I WIN ON ALL LEVELS. YOU CHALLENGED ME TO FIGHT SO I AWAIT TO BEAT YOU PHYSICALLY AS WELL AS MENTALLY AND SPIRITUALLY.
KEEP ON AVOIDING THE FACT THAT YOU GOT BEAT BY A DEAD BEAT LOSER NAMED DAN BOWEN. WHATS YOUR NAME? THAT'S RIGHT, YOU ARE AFRAID TO SAY! LOL I WIN AGAIN "CREATIONSOFNOTHING" LOSER
DanBowenTV 1 year ago
@Creationsofmyown If I am a kid you must be some decrepit middle aged whale jerking off behind a keyboard. Get a fucking life and quit fixating over mine. I am sorry that you have no friends or loved ones, maybe if you were not such a dick you might enjoy your life. I await your reply to my email. You have been unblocked and I have accepted your challenge. So now it is up to you you fucking coward. No more excuses or lies to hide behind now. Just truth. You are truly afraid. LOL
DanBowenTV 1 year ago
@DanBowenTV lol forget this guy. his entire youtube account is centered round bashing ninjutsu and he's arguing with dozens of people on videos all over youtube. im pretty sure that doesnt leave much time for actual training. just some other random bitch ass troll without a life. or actually one thats fixated around proving ninjutsu is fake. lol
RhadeConstantine 1 year ago
@RhadeConstantine You are so right. This guy called me out, challenged me to a fight. Said I was banned from youtube for harassing minors and then chickens out when it comes time to drop the anonymity. Another Bitch Ass troll fixated on Ninja Bashing.
DanBowenTV 1 year ago
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@Creationsofmyown lol forget this guy. his entire youtube account is centered round bashing ninjutsu and he's arguing with dozens of people on videos all over youtube. im pretty sure that doesnt leave much time for actual training. just some other random bitch ass troll without a life. or actually one thats fixated around proving ninjutsu is fake.
DanBowenTV 1 year ago
@Creationsofmyown lol it's hilarious that you ask him to spend a little more time training when you haven't stepped into a dojo even once in your entire life. you havent taken a single MA class and still go around talking crap. also the togakure ryu is recognised by the bugei ryuha daijiten the Kataori shinto ryu of ninjutsu is a koryu and before you go spastic they don't teach military strategy its just bs outta your ass. also respected MA historians and writers have stated NINJUTSU IS A MA
RhadeConstantine 1 year ago
@RhadeConstantine
why do you continue to make this strawman?
you know full well that i never claimed a martial art, nor is one required to understand what facts are.
just because i choose to keep my training out of this doesn't change the veracity of the evidence or lack thereof.
its a wonder that MA historians ( who are only exposed to fake ninjas that teach ninjutsu=MA) would write about fake ninja MA...
How about you find me something that predates takamatsu saying Ninja MA?
kthxbai
Creationsofmyown 1 year ago
@Creationsofmyown lol. kakutogi no rekishi and bugei ryuha daijiten. Also look at donn f draegers work. I'm surprised to see you still have the shame to troll here after what happened on MAP. and the one whos making a strawman is you. I said its hilarious you asked him to train when you have never trained in your entire life. Why do you hesitate to come to a real martial art forum and insist on talking smack on utube? the zen nippon todo renmei has also accepted the bujinkan.
RhadeConstantine 1 year ago
@RhadeConstantine
why is it that when i asked for a PR TAKAMATSU source ... you give 2 that POST DATE TAKAMATSU
"and the one whos making a strawman is you"
a more baseless accusation has yet to be made.. show this strawman. quote me fool.
"Why do you hesitate to come to a real martial art forum"
because i saw the convoluted way in which they are managed from arteanor's post on MAP... nobody actually provided evidence against him atleast 5 said he was proven wrong tho... odd isnt that?
Creationsofmyown 1 year ago
@Creationsofmyown dumb troll. arteanor asked for a scan of the ToC which was put up two times. he refused to acknowledge that. he asked for pictures of what had been plagiarised. that was posted...7 times. do you understand what that means? just because he ignored it doesn't mean he provided evidence. we also put up information which showed that what antony had copied was infact copyrighted info and antony himself shot himself in the foot by claiming difference things at different times.
RhadeConstantine 1 year ago
face it. just because you ignored evidence doesnt mean it does not exist. all the information was put up and more. you can continue feebly protesting that it wasn't put up but both of us know it was and it just makes you look incredibly incredibly thick. you seem incapable of accepting you're wrong. best of all a group of western martial artists also pointed out that a few years ago antony had come to them claiming he had learnt something completely new about talhouffner. now he's into karate
RhadeConstantine 1 year ago
@RhadeConstantine
"just because you ignored evidence doesnt mean it does not exist"
i have yet to ignore a thing...
asserting that evidence exists does not make it true, or relevant.
so what? antony can claim whatever the hell he wants... i dont give a shit...
i DO give a shit about you fags attacking his character instead of the research.
if you hate the findings he has made, perhaps you should find some actual evidence for the claims of your school...
Creationsofmyown 1 year ago
@RhadeConstantine
"arteanor asked for a scan of the ToC which was put up two times."
POST NUMBERS? i didnt see the TOC once...
"he asked for pictures of what had been plagiarised. that was posted...7 times."
he did no such thing... i saw enough to see that... so how about you stick to FACTS not FANTASY.
Creationsofmyown 1 year ago