Ⓐ El Ejército Negro de Majno | The Black Army of Makhno

[claudiamanja]

El anarquísmo es producto de la flojera del pensamiento que deja todo al espontaneísmo antiestatal. solo la revolucion marxista es cambio.

[gerymonkey]

@claudiamanja El cambio... de un dictador a otro.

[Choclonauta]

Estos registros audovisuales tienen un aire épico... rememorando las filas del comunismo libertario y la autodeterminación de todo un pueblo que luchó contra la tiranía y el autoritarismo de terratenientes y soviéticos traidores.

Decenas de años después, aún recordamos la historia silenciada del anarquismo... ¡QUE VIVA LA ANARQUÍA!

[bastardoperu333]

BONITA KNCION, ASI KOMO LO FUE LA VIDA DE MAJNO, EL GERRILLERO CAMPESINO

[neotico2]

HURRA VIVA Majno un lider del Corazon sin necesidad de la imposicion su liderazgo fue aceptado

[Karen41872]

BritishSocialism, the song is called, "Oy Bulo Selo" ...... Which means, "There was a village" ...... a very famous Ukrainian song everyone knows (that is, if they are Ukrainians).

[shamanicflames]

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[anarksee]

(A)

[gheorghitaz]

@anarksee Answer plz: in an anarchist society who will make the highways, cars, aeroplanes?

[gheorghitaz]

@anarksee My point is that a modern, scientific industry needs a lot of investment which, at least at the beginning brings no profit. I think that only a powerful State can do that. I rather can understand (and reject) capitalit anarchy (you know, Chicago school, Freedman &co, weak state, free market, libertarianism). I reject that coz of the paradox of liberty: liberty implies slavery.

[hope2beable]

@gheorghitaz The American right has hijacked the word libertarian-Chicago school are just capitalists.People make highways,cars etc.,so if they want to continue to do so they will-look at what was achieved in Anarchist areas in Spain 1936-goods still made,crops still grown by collectives and individuals,they worked in harmony.We are just brought up to believe we need to be told what to do when in fact people get on much better interacting without authority.

[gheorghitaz]

@hope2beable I can agree that many things can be produced without big investments (crops or other small bussinesses) but a mile of highway costs $15 mil . You need a mechanism to armonize the joint interestes of collectives of working people, you need a plan. Plan or free market . What about scientific research? Basic research (mathematics, theoretic physics, chemistry, biology, biotechnologies - all these need big amonunts of money. Who will give it? Now it is the State.

[chimimac1]

@hope2beable USA was a major centre of world anarchism, before and after the final destruction of it's last percieved "power base" after the Spanish war. These solid Guys & Gals fought and died against fascism at home and abroad. There are many still engaged in the "struggle" -  it's really just a way of life! some day we will all "grow-up"

[CinnAlla]

@gheorghitaz Modern anarchist thinking (Murray Bookchin, etc) tends towards a more "green" (with a small "g") analysis, stressing small, local solutions in an kind of cooperative society of "libertarian municipalism"; in such a scenario, people would tend to question whether it was in fact necessary to rely so much on highways, cars, aircraft, etc.

[meusisto]

@gheorghitaz

I'm not an anarchist but i think it all can be made in a way or other in an anarchist society, specially the last ones in your list. But i'd ask myself the same about police.

[MrViTopol]

@gheorghitaz no highways, no cars, no planes in an anarchist society. best examples - somalia.

[DJ5447]

ViVA UKRAINE  SONG THE BEST because is the ukranian free

[jsnldn]

liberty or death!

[AnEnemy100]

the ideal is one thing, where is the reality? ideals have a way of getting people killed, though i admit it is usually the 'realists' who are doing the killing...

[derunausstehlichekid]

Bullshit!

If you read S. Kamenev memoir's and Frunze's writings you'll learn that they acted in accordance with Lenin's directives. He personally supervised the drafting of an order in which Makhno and his men were declared "enemies of the revolution and soviet power...must be eliminated as quickly as possible"! Arshinov wrote about two earlier assassination bids against Makhno, again on orders from Moscow. Some Red army units were so disgusted about the order they deserted and joined Makhno!

[derunausstehlichekid]

I just finished a teriffic book by French historian A. Skirda, "Nestor Makhno - Anarchy's Cossak"!

His insurgents played a crucial part in defeating Wrangel's army. After the second alliance with the Red's, Frunze used the Makhnovists as the spearhead of the offensive in autumn 1920.

Makhno was well aware that this alliance would end after the defeat of the Whites but he liked to believe Kamenev's words that "they would find a common language somehow". Fucking Bolsheviks can never be trusted!

[lubiepyzy]

long live to Franciszek Smuda - the bravest of the atamans

[8432Sx]

Long Live to Anarco- Communism

[lubiepyzy]

long live to anarchism - fuck the comunism - it's similar to nazism

[hopperklopper22]

right!! The anarchy will prevail!

(A)

[Indubitabil02]

Amin to that

[ramberghini]

But Trotsky ordered the use of terror and execution amongst supporters and members of the makhnovist movement.

[salpety]

direclty orchestred from moscow.

[FELINE8M]

"To rebellion! Rise up, brothers, against all government, destroy the power of the bourgeoisie and do not allow the socialists and bolshevik government to come to life! Destroy all authority and drive out its representatives!"

(words of MAKHNO)

Long live the ideal of anarchist society!

[ramberghini]

The Bolsheviks cared little for the peasants and pampered their workers lavishly. That is not equality. In the Black Army, peasant and worker fought hand in hand against reaction and counter revolution.

[elcoso77]

Long life to the Bolcheviks, Black army sucks!

[Dynkin]

Fuck the Politics, Long Life to Anarchy

[claudiamanja]

@Dynkin Estás bien pendejo, la anarquía es un espontaneísmo, solo la revolución marxista-leninista es cambio!

[LHPOdianAzazel]

Rockefeller Standard Oil was financing the Bolsheviks and Stalin as countre revolutionary to repress teh communis tnaarhcist and turn the revolution to a state capitalism.

[ramberghini]

The state is a bourgeois form of government, and can only lead to capitalism and oppression.

[ramberghini]

Long live nestor makhno and the true peoples revolution!

[colombian18]

laconically shut up. Makhno was betrayed by the reds. Trotsky and lenin were backstabbing snakes.

[evilmick66]

The Free Territory of Ukraine was composed of both workers AND peasants. Anarchism reflects the interests of everyone under state and capitalist oppression; even the state capitalism that is communism.

[evilmick66]

The Soviet and other commie nations were power hungry empires that exploited the plight of the working class! Makhno, Durruti, and other anarchists were the only true proletarian heroes.

[MsOKZS]

@evilmick66 Do you know what was Makhno's Army flag said: "Freedom of Ukraine or death."

[w35m4n]

@evilmick66 If only people would recognize that anarchism is the true realization of communism and that statist, authoritarian "communism" isn't really communism at all. Communism means no heirarchy or classes.... which is basically the opposite of the Soviet Union and other so-called "communist" countries.

[MakhnoAnarchist]

I love this 'music-video' comrades! Is it possible to download it somewhere?

Svoboda Ili Smert!

[Ekhidna33]

You can download every video in youtube by using VideoTodo program. You can find it on web! Take a look!

[laconically]

It's not a folk song for sure, just an ugly example of soviet folk-like propaganda.

However, there's another popular song considered folk, although composed by Ivan Negrebitski, who fought in Revolutionary Insurrectionary Army of Ukraine (led by Nestor Makhno) and has been executed in 1938.

Search at YouTube: UKRAINE Розпрягайте хлопці коней

[WG164]

Any info on where I could more information about the ugly soviet folk-like propaganda? Russian/Ukrainian name, or even an english version of the lyrics?

I only know the english name.

Uh, sorry for not being interested in the one you like.

[laconically]

Oh, where's that village,

А broad village near the mountain?

Oh, there's the soldiers are marching,

The Red soldiers are going to fight.

The army is marching through the wide field,

Hey, those boys are like a falcons!

[laconically]

Hey, sweet girl with the black eyebrows,

Go quickly to the window!

Boys, those boys are like a falkons!

The steppes are wide over there in Ukraine,

The girls are good, having the black eyes.

[laconically]

The problem is that Makhno was fighting exactly against those "red falcons", so this song should be abusive as for the anarchists.

[WG164]

Thanks. Yeah, I see how the song is pretty inappropriate for Makhno.

I just recently found out about Makhno. I have to side with the bolsheviks over Makhno ideologically, but I'm still rather impressed by him. I'm going to get some books by/about him.

Anarchists should mention him more often. It would make us "statists" take anarchists more seriously.

[laconically]

He's kinda hero in Ukraine, and mostly because of his struggle against the communists. Being anarcho-communist himself, he never prohibited nor the private property, nor the money. He did not intervene into economics too much, which makes him somehow different from the Spanish anarchists. He's really undervalued by western historians, his army was the third by size and he turned the wave in civil war.

[laconically]

As for this movie, there's some historical inaccuracies. That black banner with the Adam's death's-head isn't Makhnovian one, belonged instead to some Ukrainian nationalists' regiment of those times, captured by bolsheviks. The peasants and the soldiers aren't Ukrainians mostly, they're Russians instead etc.

[m0bi]

We do mention Makhno, he's great.

But what purpose would there be for us to want the statists to take us seriously?

[WG164]

I think I know why the video poster said it was a folk song... I have a VERY similar recording (guessing it's the same one) on my CD "Russian Favorites" sung by the Red Army Choir. The booklet in the CD case says "'Hey there's the village' is a Ukrainian folk-song, arranged by A. Alexandrov. A brave cossack rides back home from war and dreams about his beloved."

If what you say is true, locanically, I wonder why they'd say that?

[laconically]

It's a Soviet propaganda, that's why. Firstly, it's impossible to sing the Bolsheviks who murdered at least 4.5 million Ukrainians. Secondly, each of Ukrainian folk songs has a unique dialectical or local music feature. This one is pretty generic, artificial. If you're interested in authentic Ukrainian music, I can send you some links.

[chimimac1]

@laconically You are completely ignorant twat of fact. The anarchists were the HUGE majority and created and maintained the revolution until it was underhandedly (ie lies) brutalised and destroyed in a dictatorial, propagandised (on a par [& probably his inspiration] with Goebbels) coup which caused the deaths of millions.

[laconically]

@chimimac1 That's a bullshit, go read some books before arguing.

[chimimac1]

@laconically

That's bullshit, go read some books before arguing

[WG164]

Also my experience with western education is that they almost entirely skip over the Russian Civil war. They make it seem like the Bolsheviks did a dance and took over. Sometimes they'll mention the provisional government, but the bolsheviks do a dance and make that disapear.

So of course that means completely ignoring people like Makhno, who I actually only found out about recently. Not sure WHY they skip the civil war though.

[laconically]

The October revolution has been made by the coalition of three parties. The bigger one was the Socialist-Revolutionary Party, they got 57% in the Constituent Assembly while the Bolsheviks got olnly 25%. And the anarchists, of course. They had a small influence in Russia, though. So, the Bolsheviks dissolved that undesirable Assembly, usurped the power and thus the war began.

[laconically]

As for the civil war, it's a huge topic. It started in 1918 and ended in fact only in 1932, being also Ukrainian, Polish, Finnish etc. wars against Russia. In 1919 the Russian Whites should defeat the Russian Reds by all the signs, but there was a complication. Their communications has been destroyed by Makhno, who assembled a huge guerrilla army in their rear. Makhno alienated himself with the Reds and established a new front line.

[TVmanipulazion]

fantástico

[Faanat]

Salud Y (A)

[ObreroLibertario]

Is a ukrainian folk song, but don't know the name.

[marcelo1917]

The name of the song is "Hey, There's the Village". It is an Ukrainian folk-song and it talks about a cossack rides back home from the war and dreams about his beloved...

[willchefa]

у тебя есть музыка Тексты песен?

[laconically]

No, it is not folk song, but just a folk-like soviet propaganda. However, there's another popular song considered folk, although composed by Ivan Negrebitski, who fought in Revolutionary Insurrectionary Army of Ukraine (led by Nestor Makhno) and has been executed in 1938. Search at YouTube: UKRAINE Розпрягайте хлопці коней

[UGproductions]

Cipriano Mera

[ObreroLibertario]

A mi nada, si me cae de puta madre, pero esta como una puta cabra el tio jajaja

[marcelo1917]

The name of the song is "Hey, There's the Village". It is an Ukrainian folk-song and it talks about a cossack rides back home from the war and dreams about his beloved...

[UGproductions]

Lo de el viejo fué posterior a la traición estalinista de la revolución española, por tanto quién traiciona a un traidor no es traidor sino justo, por otra parte demostró como los estalinistas pretendían irse de rositas mientras se llenaban la boca de mierdas de que eran los únicos que resistían. A ver si dejamos de vomitar mentiras, la historia nos da la razón y la verdad es que en el estalinismo llegó a haber mil ejecuciones diarias, y no de burgueses precisamente.

[ObreroLibertario]

Ese esta loco, ignorale.

[johnjg89]

de que anarkistas hablas de los punk dejame decirte que el punk y el anarkismo son cosas muy diferentes lle idiota que hizo lister y que fueron los echos de mayo del 37 la traiciuon del ejercito rojo al ejercito negro la historia me ayuda mientras t5u te fijas en los anarkjistas que se drogan pornfavor esos no son anarkistas

[lister937]

i tu que haces por el proletariado?

manipulando la historia i mintiendo como siempre han hecho los de tu calaña

mejor te fumes tu algún porro haber si espabilas stalinista de mierda

[johnjg89]

jajaj si calro por algo siempr los comunistas se asustan de los anarquistas y nos matan por miedo a que agamos algo mas que ud quien fue trosky con Makhnovtchina y lister en la revolucion lee un pokito

[salpety]

VIVA LA CNT!

[salpety]

perdona los cenetistas alineandose con franco ???

QUE OCURRIÓ CON EL POUM ?? CON ANDREU NIN ??

QUE OCURRIO EN MAYO DE BARCELONA ?? EN EL EDIFICIO LA TELEFONICA ???

LOS STALINISTAS MASACRARON A SUS HERMANOS PROLETARIOS, PORQUE NO CONCIBÍAN NINGUNA REVOLUCIÓN QUE NO VINIERA DICTADA DESDE MOSCÚ

LA CULPA DE QUE ACABASE LA GUERRA CIVIL ASI FUE DEL COMUNISMO

JA! UN PARTIDO MINUSCULO CON TAN POCOS ESCAÑOS..COMO LLEGÓ A TAL PODER? POR EL ESPALDARAZO DEMOCRATICO Y LA DEPENDENCIA A LA URSS

[ObreroLibertario]

Bien dicho, los estalinistas fueron los enterradores de la revolución social!

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

The Makhnovshchina will rise again! The dream of freedom never dies.

[pvnksvbte77dxtroi]

ellos van a regresar

[Eutopoi]

Viva Spagna anarquista, viva Machno, viva los insurrezionalista! i are joyful, I remember when man was able to think in this way...

[Reyludd]

El ejercito negro nunca formo un frente comun con lso blancos, si combatieron a estos ultimos conjuntamente junto al ejercito rojo hasta que finalmente fueron traicionados y exterminados por ordenes de Trotsky. y co nrespoecto a la CNT en españa, n otenia ese dato, pero solo puedo decir que todo el mundo sabe que las colectividades que los anarquistas lograron con exito fueron destruidas (y sus protagonistas exterminados ) no por los fascistas sino por los stalinistas.

Stalinismo=fascismo

[ObreroLibertario]

NUNCA se aliaron con los blancos.

Con los bolcheviques, en cambio, si que se aliaron, pero luego traicionaron a los anarquistas.

Y los capitalistas ucranianos a quien adoran es al baron de Wrangel, a Denikin o a Petlura, pero a los makhnovistas no.

[lister937]

salud compañero muchas gracias por subir el documental

serias tan amable de indicarme libros o webs donde poder informarme mas sobre el ejercito negro?

[ObreroLibertario]

La mejor web es w w w (punto)nestormakhno(punto)i n f o

y el libro mas fiable y bueno es " El experemento social anarquista. Ucrania y España 1917 - 1939" de Alexandr Shubin, pero es muy dificil de conseguir.

Otros libros interesantes son la "Revolucion Desconocida" de Volin.

[lister937]

ok muchas gracias

[nefestor]

esta interesante el video, y si, Makhno y todo lo relacionado suele ser un detalle olvidado de la historia.

Podrias decirme como se llama ese documental que encontraste? voy a intentar conseguirlo

[ObreroLibertario]

Se llama "Nestor Majno, un campesino de Ucrania" Puedes encontrarlo en Rebeldemule o en el ares, aunque lo he subido casi entero al youtube.

[CommunistChannel]

yo diría que ni la mitad de las imágenes son de la guerrilla de Majnó.

[ObreroLibertario]

Las saque de un documental, supongo que habran algunas del ejercito rojo pero en gran parte son del ejercito negro.

[ElliotMaximo]

Mi mamita ukraniana no me conto nada de esto.. tendre que sentarme algun dia con ella y escucharla, algo que no hago mucho...

[ObreroLibertario]

Algunos si que vinieron a ayudarnos...en Cataluña, 1937, la Compañía Internacionalista Chevtchenko estaba formada por unas decenas de supervivientes ucranianos del ejército anarquista de Nestor Makhno que había cruzado en 1921 la frontera ruso-rumana a caballo.

[ObreroLibertario]

Los ucranianos estaban acostumbrados a defenderse de los constantes ataques y saqueos de los diferentes ejercitos que les invadian, y ademas muchos altos cargos del ejercito negro habian participado en las revoluciones del 1905 y del 1917 asi como en la I Guerra Mundial, eso por no hablar de los cosacos, que eran un genuino pueblo guerrero. Aun hoy en dia existe un regimiento de cosacos en el ejercito ruso y estan muy valorados.

[ObreroLibertario]

Makhno fue uno de los mejores estrategas militares de su epoca, su ejercito se cepillo al ejercito blanco, al verde (nacionalista), al ejercito aleman, al austriaco, a los regimientos franceses y polacos, a los rojos bolcheviques, y derroto a todos a excepcion de estos ultimos. Si las milicias anarquistas hubieran formado un ejercito como el Negro...

[ObreroLibertario]

El documental lo pille buscando por el ares, al igual que el de Durruti. No eran rusos...eran ucranianos, tenian otra mentalidad, y muchos regimientos eran de cosacos, con esto ultimo te digo todo...

[ObreroLibertario]

Lo he hecho yo, cogiendo extractos de un documental sobre makhno que encontré.

Su tactica era atacar rapidamente con agresividad y retirarse y despues volver a atacar. Ganaron muchas batallas asi, en una de ellas llegaron a derrotar a 1500 blancos con un ejercito de 3000, solo quedaron 100 blancos! con un ejercito como el negro, franco no hubiera durado ni una semana lastima q makhno hubiera muerto 2 años antes de la guerra civil española, estoy seguro d que hubiera venido a españa a ayudarnos.

[CiudadanoTerrorista]

Sabras que destino corrió esta gente y a manos de quien... Mas o menos lo mismo que en España. Debo reconocer que es la primera vez que veo imagenes de la leyenda de Ucrania y me ha hecho una ilusion de la hostia.

[ObreroLibertario]

me alegro d que te haya gustado, la verdad es q este ejercito y la revolucion que hicieron es muy poco conocido y apenas hay imagenes sobre esto...una pena que acabaran como acabaran...

[WarriOrAnaRchIsM]

biuenvenido camarada, a seguir armandola n youtube ;)

salud!