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  • stupid niggers deserve what they get!!

  • These were TEXAS cops! No way! I would never expect this from Texas cops!!!!!

  • Tokyo64whatever.. stay you're nip ass in Japan.

  • Don´t mess with them KKKops

  • @tromboista fuck you kill yourself

  • Funny how the horrible audio while the black man is screaming is no different then how they normally talk. Loud and undecipherable.

  • Power hunger son of a bitches. I wish Derrick's friends would have beaten the bastards to death. Screw the pigs

  • A NIGGER should be frequently bashed up and harassed ........just keep them well-behaved.

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  • While I do agree that this is a clear case of police abuse, it's not a race thing, idiots. Cops do this to people of all backgrounds.

    I can't stand when people see a white hit a black and the first thing they think is "racist.". Had the colors been reversed no one would throw down that card.

    It's not about race, it's about power-drunk police officers.

  • Fucking honky racist bastard. The fat honky police that beat up the nigger, comes back and SPITs on the floor at 3:05. The typical low-life cowardly bigot.

    The only way whiteys show their racism is when they are in huge numbers, have a gun, are in front of a weak or tied up person, or are behind a computer.

    I say racial war...

  • @fefo33065 um, all races due that. Ever hear of a Gang? Its a bunch of pussies that invent a club because they cant do they're pussy crimes by themselves, like stealing, gang jumping people, and being racist. The only time i've ever seen black people be racist is when they are around each other and then they have nothing better to do but start shit with everyone that walks by them. Learn to observe ALL races before opening you're mouth. Find a new word other than Honkey. Its old, keep up!

  • wish yall knew the entire story that had a raffic volation and was pulled over....they where wrong but mr Newman got paid!!!

  • I live for the day that this would happen to me - In teaching defensive tactics to police officers I always like to take the biggest cadet of veteran and make him my bitch, and I am a small person too so it makes submitting those slacked jawed power trippers a lot more fun. Please, Please somebody contract me out to Texas, it looks like you boys could use some retraining, because the dash cam shows how much you suck.

  • @gcastil If you're so professional then why don't you contact the department you want to transfer to rather than throwing up you're ego to a bunch of people that don't give a fuck. Just curious Mr. Badass Moother Fucker

  • I love it! I absolutely love it! I'm so glad I live in Texas.

  • @jobezee78

    Then this should make you even happier:

    "A Jefferson County Grand Jury has handed down indictments against two Beaumont police officers accused of beating a man during a routine traffic stop two years ago.

    Officers David Todd Burke and James Guedry are charged with one count each of official oppression, a misdemeanor offense, in the arrest of Beaumont resident Derrick Newman."

    I am glad you live in Texas too. Don't leave! :D

  • the police officer should get a medal, one less nigger on the streets!

  • @rossthebest1

    fuck tu madre hijo de puta

  • is that burnie mac!!

  • youtube must be the most racist site in the world.....damn/...

  • USA is sick. I hope it is karma for both of them.

  • didnt do nothing? what did they just pull you over for nothing?

  • 43 Likes and 15 Dislikes; 43 white people and 15 black people. lol

  • THEY WAY THEY ACT???? HMMMMM IF SOMEONE WALKS UP TO YOU AND BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF YOU THEN HOW WOULD YOU RESPOND?

    MANY OF YOU BASTARDS DONT KNOW WHERE THE WORD NIGGER ORIGINATED. EVERY WHITE PERSON ON THIS GOD GIVEN EARTH WAS MADE FROM A BLACK PERSON...READ YOUR HISTORY AND LEARN SOMETHING. SO ALL YOU KKK WANNA BE MUDDAFARKAS ADDRESS ME AS MOMMY #BITCHES LOLOLOLOL!

  • THEY WAY THEY ACT???? HMMMMM IF SOMEONE WALKS UP TO YOU AND BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF YOU THEN HOW WOULD YOU RESPOND?

    MANY OF YOU BASTARDS DONT KNOW WHERE THE WORD NIGGER ORIGINATED. EVERY WHITE PERSON ON THIS GOD GIVEN EARTH WAS MADE FROM A BLACK PERSON...READ YOUR HISTORY AND LEARN SOMETHING.

  • i did 2 1/2 years in the Jefferson County Jail (Beaumont, Texas) and i had to live with the scum of the earth who were not only black but all races. I must say however, THEY highly outnumbered the other amount of scum....by a long shot! If you take offense to my comment then you must be one of THEM. I am the farthest thing from a racist, I'm a realist!

  • @letulle727 real full of shit!!!!

  • I aint black but i think thats bs because the guy has hes hands in the car and the fucking cop just go straight to beat him with the stick i meant i didnt see black guy do nothing wrong thats just my opinion.

  • obeying the law be all rayciss an sheet!

  • Man its so funny to see all these dumb fucks to try to play the "race" card with this video. It doesn't matter what color you are if you don't comply you will be forced to comply. Just obey the fucking laws!!

  • @fmnma1 your probably a 14 year old street skank been locked in juvy, bored to death posting your bullcrap lies

  • The Law Enforcement Officer did NOT beat a black man, he was subduing a man for safety precautions for physically resisting a lawful restraint and search. Black ain't got Jack to do with it, racial excuses are sickening. Quit dropping your very skin color for the price of basic self respect. Slavery has been abolished 160 years ago, what are you doing to make your REALLY beaten ancestors proud now besides blaming, just like Oblame-ah does Bush.

  • @OBAMABInlaDENrublind

    Obama supporter?

  • blacks deserve a good ass whooping

  • "oh I got a lawyer"....stunning to hear those words from a spook

  • white power

    

  • good police work

  • @MrSandNaggar why would you say nigger you wouldnt last two seconds in a cell white boy

  • @rayman193 hmmmm that where all nigger go is 2 cells , hmmmm aryan brother hood would fuckin destory ur nigger ass , fuckin pussy , ill stab u in the cell in a split second , u turd shit stain

  • @MrSandNaggar lol where do you think the brother in the aryan came from lol US yu white bitch ill make u bend over with a broom stick in your ass and watch you turn red lol Obama Bitch boy

  • @rayman193 dam nigger boy , ill make u bend down on ur hand and eat shit just like in that movies , u dirty shit stain nig nog ass runnin wit a tv ass nigger

  • makes me proud of my grandmom and her family from beaumont texas!

  • !NIGGERS = FAKE,SKEEMY ,MANIPULATIVE,STUPID PEICE OF SHIT , Expert LIers,, DRUG ADDICTED < GAY ASS SHOWING < CHILD MOLESTING < FOOD STAMP SCHEMING , CHEATING FLEAS , segregated,COCKROACHES , RATS<SCAM ARTISts , deceiveful, NO manners , BIG LIPPED < MONKEY FACED <NIGGERS < UR ALL thrive ON HATE < LIES < JEALOUSLY,NO RESPECT,MORALES, NO ETHINCS < NO honesty , No selp Respect , NO loyality , No justice , NO peace < NO equality , know sensible rationality BLACK CULTURE IS EVIL , EVERY1 HATES NIGGERS

  • black people suck , period , its hard lookin in the mirror tho ,

  • Niggers!!!!

  • more hard core racisism YO

  • Please tell me how niggers live, steal, rob, kill, fight, drink to excess, name their children "tashmiqua", buy spinner rims instead of pay rent or child support and for some unknown reason... Talk like fucking idiots. Ohhhhh... Born without brains !!! Got it.

  • haha gotta love it

  • , aye them cops out here is some punk asses doee. , they be tryna lie in court , be pullin some hoe ass shit

  • the new "TALIBAN POLICE STATE" is in the USA!

    can the US public ask al Qaeda to help on the streets of the US to defeat the "TALIBAN POLICE STATE"?

    can the public ask seal team 6 who killed Bin Laden to help- that's right, they are all dead after only 3 months from that event...

    the US public is on their own for some time to come.

  • I heard him call the police crackers , so he got his ass kick , why cry over it ?

  • fucking pigs need to die with thare familys

  • every body talking shit how black people act but tell me what they did wrong in this video i would talk shit too if you just beat me up for nothing

  • @qazwsx89 They didn't do shit wrong. It ain't illegal to talk shit to a pig. If I were a black man and I got pulled over, I'd think about just shooting first because they're just going to try and fuck you over anyways. Asshole pigs, but I promise you it's not just white pigs doin that to blacks, because I'm white and I've been choked down for no reason and been accused of shit I couldn't have possibly done before.

  • @qazwsx89 how about acting like a bunch of ignorant fucktards

  • If I had to deal with those animals everyday, I'd be turning off the camera and taking off the safety. Know what I be saying?

  • @LCCharlie lmao oh thats the funniest shit i've heard today.

  • so what did he do to be beat and tased if it whas ricky the white boy would it still be ok

  • people dnt hate black people cause of their skin , ITS THE WAY THEY ACT , its fuckin ridicolous

  • @cgrayson1130 amen!!! race has nothing to do with it

  • @cgrayson1130

    Exactly, martin luther king wanted blacks to be judged not by the color of their skin, but by their character, problem is they have no character and act like criminal retards lmao

  • @cgrayson1130 you don't have to be racist cause we will beat you.Just saying you hating cqrayson

  • @MrChebster nigger , niggger , stupid niggger , go back to africa where fleas n genocide n hunger and no ADVANCED civilaatoin exsist the same SUPID KIND OF FUCKIN NIIGER still resides their like when we took ur great great grand daddy n brought him hear to be our slaved n beat that living shyt oiut him , im not white , but im caucasion , every 1 hates NIGGERS , u demonstrate how the world should judge n see you , stay skeemsing , u fuckin faggots , thats why your show ur ass saggin ur pants fag

  • @MrChebster how u beatin us , when we beat u hundreds of years ago n still r , ur hood ghetto mentality stay there , ur garbage nuttin u can say that will make me feel upset abotu anything , your just fuckin pathetics , n no u wont beat use , i've beaten plenty of black people , just cuz ur skind is black does'nt mean u better then us , just means chances r ur a fuckin low life nigger raisied of other niggerism , haha people are alot more smarter then black ppl then they r , u crack head lying

  • @MrChebster how u beatin us , when we beat u hundreds of years ago n still r , ur hood ghetto mentality stay there , ur garbage nuttin u can say that will make me feel upset abotu anything , your just fuckin pathetics , n no u wont beat use , i've beaten plenty of black people , just cuz ur skind is black does'nt mean u better then us , just means chances r ur a fuckin low life nigger raisied of other niggerism , haha people are alot more smarter then black ppl then they r , u crack head lyin

  • @cgrayson1130 just cause you beat other black people don't mean you can beat all.Your the reason people wanna start slavery again so go take your ass somewhere else with this shit.

  • @MrChebster u cant make me

  • @cgrayson1130

    I'm black, and im sitting here doing homework for college, getting an education and making something of myself. So, don't make excuses for being racist.

  • @DarthScorpio11 so wat wats the rest of ur dumb ass species doing out there u fuckin niggers

  • @MrSandNaggar

    species? I'm human, so as for what my species is doing, you can take a look in the mirror.

  • @DarthScorpio11 of course nigger

  • @MrSandNaggar

    how is that response in any way related to what i wrote. I wrote look in the mirror...

  • @MrSandNaggar

    I'm impressed by your articulate vocabulary.

  • @DarthScorpio11 y thank u

  • @MrSandNaggar

    you're welcome, douchebag..

  • @DarthScorpio11 any time niggger

  • @MrSandNaggar

    Your ignorant, which makes you the nigger. Interesting enough, racism is diminishing. You do realize many of your so called 'niggers' make more in a week, than you will in 2 lifetimes put together. Lets be honest though, we both know your not a professional, nor do you have an education. So, you almost definitely still live with your parents, lucky you not the homeless shelter. I am curious though, your trailer has no basement, so where do you sleep. Mom, still tuck you in too?

  • @fmnma1 sounds like a nigger , of fmmnma , w e u say i dnt beleive , i kno black in life , they r fake as fuck , grimey n untrustworthy , i live in ur moms house for free on welfare u dirty nigger , ur wack please , black ppl suck

  • @MrSandNaggar

    Not African American, nice try though. Well, just think sooner or later 'YOU' will be the minority (assuming your white, but I have my doubts) In fact, white may already be the minority. Welcome to the year 2011, it's not 1940, moron.

  • @fmnma1 im not thinking , lol , ur false pretenses have no efect on me , idgaf , if u act like a peice of shit , u'll get treated like 1 , lofl u'd say anything

  • @MrSandNaggar

    If I act like a piece of shit, I'd get treated like one? Hows this for acting like a piece of shit. I have so far gotten 2 pigs fired, piece of shit(?) to the pigs maybe. But, know this... Since then they don't dare fuck with me, unless they want to be unemployed while trying to feed 3 kids. Trust me when I tell you, PIGS not only don't intimidate me, but if they fuck with me, they get whats coming. PERIOD!

  • @fmnma1 no matter wat u say , i know ur all lies , n made up bs , that why the hood doesnt have no good honest people around , only fuckin pathetic excuses for life , please , wat would u say 2 statistics that clearly show that ur a small percentage 4 such a big percetage in law breaking , cities with a majority black or GHETTO populaion should be handelded accordiling

  • @MrSandNaggar

    You're not done, I'm waiting for a point, is that coming anytime soon?

  • @fmnma1 the point is nigger from the hood , r str8 shit n grabage , i dnt need 2 make a ponit 2 u , u'll never understand ahahaha , or wouldnt want 2 , but them white boys who dnt kno its 4 their informations , u fuckin roasted nig

  • @MrSandNaggar

    At least speak English. The hood you speak of, is clearly stated in your posts -redneck!

  • @cgrayson1130 its not only blacks getting beat by cops. its anybody that the cops think they can handle with their shit. fuck cops, they have way too much power. and fuck you for growing your balls through your keyboard

  • @BreadofWoNdErS420 shut up u stupid nigger , ur fucking retarded , ur dirty nigger boy , hahaha

  • @MrSandNaggar shut the fuck up dude im whiter than u are and i fuckin hate niggers, it seems nice to be able to fuck some niggers up and get a paid vacation for it

  • @BreadofWoNdErS420 no ur not , u stupid nigger

  • @cgrayson1130 racist mother fucker.

  • they wounder y niggas dont lik pig azz muthfukas

  • but black people are innocent > RIGHT??????

  • FUCK THA POLICE. they bout as close to fuckin nazi's as it gets. Tupac is right when he says "Cops jus as crooked as tha niggaz they chasin" its things like this that keep people racist.... im white and this makes me extremely mad.

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  • if they were theid treat every one equal n every 1 would treat me equal

  • Cops are so fucking ridiculous these days! And to all you racist motherfuckers on here "SHUT THE FUCK UP AND GET A FUCKING LIFE" WHITES AND BLACKS AND ALL OTHER RACES ARE EQUAL! NO ONE IS GREATER THAN ANOTHER! 

  • u kno its not just white people , its asian , middle eastern , australian , british , europe , i can keep going , it doesnt matter faget , u could'nt shoot me even if u tried : ) lol

  • this is between right and wrong , and the you rotten peice of shit have such a bad mindset against us good people , you people are so fuckin misguided .....

  • FUCKING NIGGGERS are a DISEASE FUCKIN ROACH INFESTATION , your all spawned on hate and violence and lying and hurting humble kind people fuck you , grimey fagest go back to ur SHITTTY continent , you obiously need to go back to your fuckin planet so u can sell crack n kill your own kind like you do , fucking dumb niggers were'nt so known for being skeeming sketchy people you wouldnt have such a bad rep

  • @cgrayson1130 YOU IGNORANT PIECE OF SHIT. did you not realize that WE brought them here. against THERE will? you sound stupid, you're calling them "niggers" when you yourself are just acting like an absolute animal! people like you deserve to be shot.

  • @TheChronicFailure , im middle eastern , compared to white people and black people , white people have been alot more loyal and better and repect ful and all the good things , black people just fail and fail epicly we dnt see it how u do , thats wat u dnt understand , your made up culture is garbage , trust me if u never got brought here it would be amazingly beautiful LOL haha

  • @cgrayson1130 Yall Little Racist fucks Hating Black People Cause They Will Woop Yall Ass Anyday So You Need To Shut the Fuck Up You Little White Fuck.

  • @MrChebster Ha thats wat all u think till niggas get they monkey faces punched or locked up or shot , u bitch ass roach go bite a curb

  • man all yall need to chill with all that gangsta shit behind the computer screen ckuz it makes you seem friendly den a bitch....

    fuck racism and all dhat shit...black cops would be doing the same shit to these people....then yall would just be like thats fucked up....if it was white cops beating white people it wouldve been the same thing but since everybody has to judge off skin color then fuck you and what you think ckuz you and nothing but a friendly ass niggah in this world

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  • nothing to see here keep moving.....

  • If a couple white guys ran their mouths like this, they'd get the same treatment.

  • @mjpitche no i know black niggas in the hood who are fukin in the closet gay ass niggas , niggas who talk hard shyt n try to look hard and miserable who get hawked shot n arrested , beat up , u claim it , remember you niggas are roaches skeemy ass sketchy roaches get ya facts str8 u fuckin dust crack head

  • Fuck u man

  • niggers get to cockey these days. there in a WHITE MANS WORLD! KKK all the WAY

  • @Patox22 "white folk wont be in power forever fucker, then lets see what's what" That is kind of racist of you don't you think? Racism will be dead when nobody of any race cares what color anyone else is.

  • man fuck this thats my boy and fuck them cops that is fucked up he did not do n/e thing for all that and no all i see in beaumont and i live here is all the fucking white cops fucking with people and im white so get a fucking life cuz thay have just as much white people on food stamps and socal securty as thay do black so fuck you white boy

  • haha i am white an dont have no skinny dick problem but i do got a beef with these stupid cops that got pick on all there life but black cop do the same fuckin bo smellin nigga take a shower go find a girl not on food stamps stop take all the socal securty money get a job and ur black mother like that fat white dick in her butt

  • @hamptonave - fuck you you piece of shit. niggers wanna act like niggers when you're being a typical loud ass, disrespectful, law breaking nigger GET FUCKING BEAT LIKE YOUR GREAT GRANDPA AND SHUT THE FUCK UP!!! Well deserved in this video. 5-0 spot on in this one.

  • Go Cops!

  • nigger:okokokokokokookokokok niggers are weake!!! lmfao i dunt do nthin mang hhahahahahhahha

  • FUCK ALL LITTLE BABY NEEDLE DICK DIRTY BUMPY FACED INBRED HONKEY TRAILER BORN PIECE'S OF SHIT

  • dumn nigger lol i love how that nigger in the back doesnt say shit lol

  • dumn nigger lol

  • God. They don't shut up.. they just keep rattling off. Don't these idiots know that your mouth will land a boot? jeese.

  • thank god im white :)

  • i keep looking for the video where the black civilian helps cop arrest man

  • They should have responded politly

  • "nigha you shut yo muthafuckin mouth" lmao

  • Stop crying blackman, just plan to get this motherfuckers. it is own, enough is enough. get these officers name and addressess, lets get their family...hurt them back.

  • AMERICA IS DEAD AS A COUNTRY.....NO MORALALITY...YOUR ALL STUPID...I MEAN REALLY THICK....LIKE SHEEP BEING LEAD TO THE SLAUGHTER....WHEN ARE YOU GONNA GET IT......YOUR TURNING INTO A NAZI STATE...WAKE UP IT,S TIME FOR REVOLUTION.....GET OUT ON DE STREET AN SAY NO FUCKING MORE......

  • dats how we do it in da bmt

  • I'm an African American officer and all your comments pertaining to race are ignorant its sad how we divide ourselves in society when in truth theres only one race and thats the human race!

  • @BeachCityRyda I agree with your Sir, I am a Santa Ana Police Officer and I am African American as well It is crazy how everything is about race it is so sad, but we know the truth we the ones out their getting shot at and stabbed and losing our brothers and sisters, they aint

  • ALL U CRACKERS WHO TALKING SHIT, UR DAYS ARE NUMBERED!!

  • @20MILCEO good thing you cant count....

  • @20MILCEO I COUNT MONEY AND BLESSINGS EVERYDAY PALE BOY! KEEP TAKING UR DICK SHRINKING PILLS, LOL

  • niggas are like animals; it's useless to show them respect...

  • How come black people act like this they could've avoided all of that if they just cooperated but I guess you can't cure stupid.....unless you have a taser. LOL!

  • Your Vid is featured on our site.

  • This is an Anti Car Police state.

    anticarpolicestate dot blogspot

  • This is what happens when you say Fuck to to the cops and disrespect them.

  • i agree. they were in the wrong, but plenty of these peaople unliek politicians are also armed and are careless about the success of this nation

  • @randomperson1393 What are you talking about who could care less about the success of the nation?

  • Those two police officers all lost their jobs and I believe the one with the baton went to prison for assault. Rightfully so seeing as how the judge could not find any actual reason for such excessive use of force.

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  • @summondarkness What do u got against black people?

  • Man i hope these cops don't have a job in that city man what a discrace. it's Cops like that give good hard working Cops a bad name.

  • niggers....such a problematic race....

  • come to beaumont, walk through the streets at night in 80% of the city, you'll see what kind of people those "victims" were

  • @randomperson1393

    That is baseless. The only thing that matters in situations such as these is the force used by either party and the outcome. In this case the Police officers applied far too much force to what was a relatively simple situation.

    It is important in any sort of republican system to make sure to keep legal authorities in check, they are armed, unlike politicians, so the civil oversight must be applied heavily upon them to keep a check and balance.

  • @randomperson1393

    Or else, you sort of end up with a 'Praetorian Guard' sort of problem situation. I don't think anyone in the United States would want that sort of thing.

    Were these gentlemen rude? Sure, now, does the law proscribe violence for rude behavior? No. Absolutely not. Therefore they broke the law and the oath they swore to uphold.

    Criminals wear all sorts of clothes you know, sometimes even a badge.

  • Black racist with a victim attitude gets owned cause he is an arsewipe!

    He winds the cops up and his buddy gets his arse kicked for it.

    Maybe "yes sir!" and politeness then we all go home instead of jail.

  • @57worldwide INDIA has a @BILLION people over there STARVING a "Superpower" my ASS. YOU a a fucken @MORON And this "Politically Correct" term of "racist" is Played out!

  • @BLACK @PEOPLE = ! Race.

    @NIGGERS = Yet ANOTHER race. What is it you people DON'T understand?

  • Thjis is and will ALWAYS be a @WHITE World! Act like an @APE get treated like one!

  • @FTWEVERYONE China and India are going to be world superpowers. You are assuming the mentality of a racist, not a real man.

    Grow up, boy.

  • thats racist and green as hell idgaf what yall crackas think bout that thats racist and green as hell that man in the back did nothing and mr fat ass wann cme start beating him . GOD did not put us all on earth for that and they might not see them gates for stuff like that.

  • @jsmooth123able i hope that cop killed that nigger

  • you want to live the thug life get ready to get a beat down

  • My little tiraid is for all those who have no heart, soul, or even any sense for that matter. All bigots will be reincarnated as gay, homeless, people of color.

    Especially for my oh so well informed & educated brothers & sisters. I happen to be a WHITE woman married to a BLACK woman. My wife has a degree in electronics engineering & I have a Ph.D in addiction counseling. So please don't think that all black ppl are uneducated & stupid or that all white ppl are like some who have posted on here.

  • animal control.

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  • Hell yeah! We need more cops like this in America. Some people to teach them niggers some respect and discipline. Bring back slavery!! Then maybe they'd be working instead of popping out little nigger baby's every 9 months.

  • @tree2243 I dont think that would solve anything. Respect is earned, not forced. Discipline in taught, not beaten. There are lines that no person, no matter their "color" should cross. I dont agree with your views of slavery to any degree, people are people. And the police are not all bad; there will be bad apples in every way of life. But sterotyping everyone because one guy did something is not right at all. I wouldent go making comments without doing a little bit of thinking first.

  • @tree2243 Yeah you're a very big man stating this racist crap on youtube!

  • @usmprince2008 You're just preaching to the choir, buddy.

  • 1. Please stop with the "hit a BLACK MAN", that is so old I aviod watching those!

    2. In almost every situation I support the police, but this is not every situation, what these police officers did in this video is very wrong, it is unfortunate that there are even people like these guys knowing full well what they were doing was completely unacceptable. And in this case, I sure hope somebody got paid!

  • thats fukd up fuckin racist ass pigs

  • idgit I have only one thing ... I pray ur drivin down my rode one day and i stop u .... so i can show u ... u how u will cry when the cuffs go on .... lil Bitch

  • I din do nutin dude. What a crock of s**t. These dumb asses asked for & got a beatdown. So what. Act like trash, get treated like trash. It's all on video. Deal with it idiots.

  • i live in beaumont and go to lamar. my sociology teacher says that there was this man who had a bleeding black baby doll on the front of his truck at a little league baseball game, someone called 911 and they said to call them back when their was a "real" bleeding baby. as much as that sucks it is not a crime, it is freedom of speech. but still....