@LothairOfLorraine yes there are many legtimate reasons for mohammad tobe a prophet and he is a prophet u dont have to include him on ur own list...muslims dont care
@LothairOfLorraine what? i said there are reasons to believe that he is a prophet...and u believe or dont believe thats ur problem...thats whati meant...
@LothairOfLorraine acording to u, but not acording to ur own bible...acording tour own bible mohammad is a prophet, therefore christians who reject him are hipocrits...
besides we dont even need the bible to prove he is a prophet, and ur noone to decide who is and who isnt a prophet
@LothairOfLorraine really...the bible says that the spirit of truth is the on who accepts jesus as the mesiah...so i dont really believe u...
besides as i said, believe or do not believe, if u dont include him on UR list that doesnt mean he is not on THE list of genuin prophets...
but just to sound nice i like to point out to christians that even their bible (which they dont care much about) testifies for mohammad...both old and new testaments..bye
@khalilrabee The Bible says a great deal more on the subject. For example, the Spirit of Truth [Gk πνευμα αληθειας, Jhn 15:26] will testify of Jesus. Not the artificial 'Isa' of the Quran, but the Incarnate Word born of the Virgin.
Not everyone referring to the Torah/Gospel and claiming he's a prophet is one.
There are definitions of how to identify wrong prophets in the bible. For example the one given by Jesus, who says that there will be wrong prophets after him and we will recognize them when they do bad things.
It's not difficult to find tons of bad things Muhammad did, allowed or ordered. Things which stay opposite to Jesus, always in a bad way.
@mawa89g aha..ur contradicting ur own bible now...the bible does speak about false prophets and how to indentify them,but it also speak about real prohets...and it says that if something a prophet says comes true then he is a man of god...the prohet mohammad said that rome, constantinople, persia will be conquered...and they were conquered, it also says that a spirit of truth accepts jesus as the messiah,ur bible says it and u dont believe in it
Matthew 7, 16 just totally disqualifies Muhammad as a prophet, if you're not willing to find excuses for things like mass executions, torture or slavery.
@mawa89g raids? he comanded the raids to gain back what belonged to the muslims because the pagans stole the goods of muslims who left makka and started to sell them in syria...thats why he comanded those "raids"...
asma bent marwan? she was instigating the pagans to start a war against the muslims...she was asked to stop and she didnt listen...nothign disqualifies him for being a prophet...moses was a prophet and acording to ur own bible moses killed inocent and guilty all alike...
" she was instigating the pagans to start a war against the muslims..."
Basically she was writing poetry about Muhammad he didn't like. Then she was murdered on his order in the middle of her children, while breastfeeding one of them.
The murderer had problems with this and asked Muhammad if it really was ok - Muhammad said there is no reason to worry about.
Everyone has the right of free speech. Without being murdered if a Muslim has another opinion!
@mawa89g no no my dear...she was sayign poetry which was instigating hatred and violence against the muslims...poetry in that time could be used like fox news today when it attacks muslims and makes ppl hate muslims..thats what she was doing...if u dont understand that society, then study it and see the importance of poetry in that time
this free speach argument is a secular argument, and even in secular society if someone instigates wars between nations he will be punished...
@mawa89g but as i said...ur bible says that moses was a prophet and he ordered the mass killing of absolutely everything that breathes...so u have absolutely nothing to acuse the prophet of...unles ur not christian and dont believe in the bible...right?
@mawa89g christians like duble standards...acording to ur own bibe moses ordered the slaughter of pregant women and their children inside them, he ordered the killing of everything that breathes...ofcourse i dont believe tht about the prohet moses, peace be upon him, but thats what ur bible says...so u dont have anything to acuse mohammad of because he didnt do anythign as close to what ur bible says about moses and other prophets...right? double standards? u studied from sam shamoun?
I don't take the "spirit of truth" passage out of context, if you mean that, as many muslims do...
I also don't think that referring to the passage I just did is "only taking when it suits you". We have a clear statement of Jesus here in which he tells us how we would recognize wrong prophets. Muhammad totally fits in the description, he did horrible things.
Not to speak of the many times he clearly allows to break Jesus' rules...and always in a bad way.
Look at what Muhammad did to the Banu Quraiza. Safiyya's first husband and her whole family. The Banu Nadir. Al-Ashraf, Abu Afak, Asma bint Marwan. He ordered to kill apostates.
Even if you only take Muslim and Bukhari as sources, the Sahih's, you have murder (for speaking against Islam), rape, raidings, systematic mass-execution, torture and so on. Allowed or ordered by Muhammad.
@mawa89g he didnt murder anyone to spread islam...the jews of those tribes tried to kill him many times, they allied with the pagans against him, the muslims were almost eradicated from the face of the earth beause of them...he didnt order the killing of anyone to spread islam, islam doesnt need killing to spread, unlike christianity which is filled with blood right? what rape? what torture? what are u talking about? mass execution?
rape --> f.e. captured women in Sahih Muslim Book 8, Hadith 3371
torture--> Safiyya's first husband
mass execution --> Banu Quraiza. I guess the systematic beheading of at least 400 "men" (everyone from puberty on) counts as mass execution. And I'm not willing to agree that everyone of them was a evil Jew who wanted to kill the prophet, sorry. Their women and children got enslaved and distributed among the Muslims.
@mawa89g i dont care if it could have been from allah or could not have been...thats what ur bible says...if a people betrayes then the men of the age of puberty and up must be killed, their women and children taken..thats in ur bible, deutornomy...i never heard of torture of safiyya's husband.
rape? what rape? there is no rape...the hadiths speak about having sex with captive women, if sex if rape to u then thats ur problem.
I guess having sex with women whose husbands had just been killed by the men they have sex with, that's not my problem. That can be nothing but rape. No woman would sleep with someone who just killed the male part of her family, enslaved here and wants to sell her on afterwards.
The Hadith is about if the Muslims should try to not make them pregnant - because they'd get less money for pregnant women when selling them again.
@mawa89g my dear...in islam heaing sex is not allowed except through mariage...and mariage is not allowed except with the womans agreement...ok?
yes i have a problem with adultery but there is no adultery...muslims took those women who agreed as wives and had sex with them as wives...no adultery and no rape...rape is in ur mind and sam shamouns and david woods minds...there was no rape...thats how society was, they had wars, men died...
Sahih Muslim Book 8, Number 3371 (and 3373) clearly says that the Muslims didn't have there wives with them and because of that desired to have sex with the "excellent arab women" they captured. That they didn't want to make them pregnant because they wanted to sell them as slaves afterwards. Do you sell your wife?
@mawa89g no i dont...and my dear...thats one single hadith...and the qor'an clearly says that zinah is totally forbidden...ok? so that claim of urs has absolutely no value...sex is allowed only through mariage, the qor'an says it clear and the qor'an has superiority over any hadith. ok?
first u say they raped them, although the hadith doesn say anything about raping...thats ur word which u try to impose...there is no rape...only sex and the qor'an makes it clear...is that clear enough?
Sura 4:24 says exactly the same thing. You can commit adultery, but only with women who your "right hand posseses", so slaves or war captives.
And there are way more hadiths like that, I just quoted a single one...if you go 2 Hadiths further to Book 8, Number 3373, you have the same thing again. It's also in Bukhari Book 7, Volume 62 , Hadith 137.
There even are laws if your concubine's child is a slave or not, so come on.
@mawa89g again when u use our sources especially the qor'an u have to know that we read our book, unlike the great majority of christians...the women possesed by the right hand were the widows of the dead enemy soldiers after battle, that was a practice in arabia...and the qor'an makes it clear..."ow u who believe do not aproach zinah. it is a hahishah"...fahisha means disgusting, ugly, unlawful, animalic act...ok? the qor'an is clear...
@mawa89g and again u have nothing to condemn the prophet of because acording to ur very own bible the prophet moses ordered rtaping all the women and the ones who were not virgins to be killed, and the ones that were virgins to be taken by jews and give god 30 of them...i dont belueve that but thats what ur bible says...so u have absolutely nothing to dondemn the prophet of because he didnt do anything as close to what moses did acording to ur bible...but again u believe in it only when it suits
@khalilrabee Not so, The word, ''RAPE '' is Not in those verses, Its only in the filthy minds of the filthy unclean Muslim men. MUHD cannot be a true prophet according to JESUS Christ; Joh 4:22 "You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews. UNLESS HE WAS A JEW?
@GodsSeer stop ur filthy lies, he is a prophet not acording to jesus christ but acording to the god who created u and jesus christ and who can punish u anytime for ur insults.
we worship what we do not know? we worship the one god, the creator of the heavens and earth. if u tell me that u know what u worship then pls explain to the audience in a rational way what the trinity is.
@khalilrabee, First, The Creator's Name is NOT Allah. It is YHVH, OVER 7,000 TIMES IN THE Bible, not once is He called Allah. Allah was one of 360 pagan gods MUHD chose to start his religion that serviced his lusts. Satan was the evil spirit that squeezed him nearly to death, forcing him to do sth he cannot do, Islam is all about coercion, threats, force and fear tactics. Satanic is the WORD that best describes the MUHD made.
@GodsSeer he is not allah? u see u dont have the slightest idea of theology. it doesnt matter how u call him, the concept is what matters. the one and only god who created the heavens and the earth. call him yahweh call him allah, call him god. however u want.
and before pretending u know anything about islam read islamic books not orientalist books full of lies. ur not going to learn islam from non-muslims...just as u wont learn christianity from muslims. bye
@khalilrabee , It does not matter what I call HIM? What if I called Him Satan? Does that matter? Allah is Satan. Allah lied against Jesus Christ and the LIVING YHVH. Allah is a liar and teaches his followers to lie. Any god that would deceive sweet Mother Mary and the good men who followed Jesus into believing a lie, is a liar himself and Satan the father of lies. YHVH'S Word needs NO LIES to support it. There is NO lie of TRUTH. The evil spirit that forced MUHD to recite did not know he cannot?
@khalilrabee , and you DO not know Allah, he IS UNKNOWABLE, UNLIKE YHVH WHO SPEAKS TO His CHILDREN, Jesus Christ is correct, you do NOT know THE ONE YOU WORSHIP. You only know of him. You do not have a personal relationship with him as we do with the TRUE GOD. Joh 17:3 "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
@khalilrabee , YES Allah IS Satan; 2Co 11:14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.Gabriel NEVER would FORCE anyone to do something he was unable to do. The Quran is opposing the Gospel of Christ; Ga 1:8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.Gabriel Always COMFORTED ALL He spoke to, never leaving them thinking they are demon possessed wanting to die.
@khalilrabee . Satan can make himself look like an angel of LIGHT; He is the deceiver. 2Co 11:14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. Any god that deceives good people like Jesus' disciples and Mother Mary into THINKING they saw Jesus Christ die on the cross, is NOT THE HOLY God of the Bible Who has NO need to deceive because He knows the end from the beginning. He would have never allowed JESUS to be beaten if He did not send Him. Was the fake one beaten?
@GodsSeer are u insane? god didnt become an angel of light or of anything. he is god the creator of everyone. even ur bible says that noone can see god. allah derived from halal? ur totally insane, i dont know who u listen to. bye
@khalilrabee ,The name Allah is derived from the Hebrew Chaldea word Halal which is the NAME OF SATAN in the scriptures in Isaiah 14:12 "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer (HALAL), son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"You have NO assurance of salvation, I do. LISTEN, God has spoken. Are you listening? Whom you affiliate with determines where you spend eternity. There is never escape from Hell. Allah lied.
@exposemyfoes Muslims believe the word Allah was used by Jesus when he hung on the cross. The Bible records that Jesus said "Eli Eli lama sabachthani", but you say Jesus really cried out to Allah and said "Allah, Allah lama sabachthani" My question is: Would you please explain why you would use this argument when you don't believe Jesus ever hung on the cross?
@exposemyfoes And second, since Jesus was quoting Ps 22:1 on the cross, isn't rather unlikely that both the Hebrew Old Testament and the Greek New Testament are wrong using Eli, a Hebrew word, rather than Allah, an arab word?
@mawa89g and dont tell me what jesus says as an answer to dueotronomy because the jews dont believe in jesus ok? ur bible says it, mohammad judged the jews acording to ur own bible, the jews chose to be judged as they recognised their betrayal, and a jew even told the prophet that he judged by allah...
u have nothing to acuse the prophet of...islam is merciful...when he conquered mekka he could have killed all the pagans as revenge for the 20 years of attacks and killings...but he didnt do that
@mawa89g he idnt saybthe judgement was wise, he agreed to judge the jess as they chose to be judged...if they would have chosen islam maybe they would have been spared...but thats what ur bible says and if u want to condemn anything u should condemn ur bible not the prophet...or maybe the jews who chose to be judged by the bible not the prophet...ok? he obeyed ur bible...but as i said...u christians believe in the bible only when it suits u...the qor'an makes this clear to us and ur proof
"if they would have chosen islam maybe they would have been spared."
That's what's in the Hadith. Embrace Islam and you'll live (despite the judgement?), don't and we kill you. Great. Freedom of Religion, Islam-way.
"he idnt saybthe judgement was wise"
from Bukhari
" (...) Sad said, "Kill their (men) warriors and take their offspring as captives, "On that the Prophet said, "You have judged according to Allah's Judgment," (...)"
@khalilrabee , Jews do not believe in MUHD either. They do have the correct GOD though, and MUHD did not. Was MUHD born into a Jewish family or tribe? No,,What religion was his family and tribe? Pagans,,What was the name of his pagan father? Abdullah (Abd + Allah)
Did Muhammad participate in the pagan ceremonies of Mecca? Yes, Did the Arabs in pre-Islamic times worship 360 gods? Yes. Did the pagans Arabs worship the sun, moon and the stars? Yes. Is Islam based on paganism, YES!
@mawa89g if u use muslim sources then read the entire stories, not what fits u...dont pick and chose...
he didnt order mass executions but punishments...the jews were judged for what they did qACORDING TO UR OWN BIBLE! he did what ur bible said to do to those who dont keep the treaties...so blame ur bible
@mawa89g they chose to be judged by the bible, if they woud have chosen to be judged acording to the qor'an they would have been spared perhaps...but they chose the bible and ur bible says to kill the traitors men, and thats what he did...he obeyed ur bible, so burn ur bible
I always love to see how islam and christian debate, just like a two 5 years old kid, one claim that Superman is better than batman coz superman from kryptonite and made of steel. but the other kid claim that Batman is better, coz He has a fully-amazing-gadget. what they don't know is both batman and superman doesn't exist until they've grown up.
No religion is provable. They ALL require faith to be believed. Only a moron would believe a religion based on evidence, because there is none. Religion is just BS.
@superstitionfree: All i also know is that this universe we live in is so finely tuned and constructed to the smallest detail, which in no way can be caused by total accident.
How do u know it was created by any of the 'fictional god'? All the evidence from science just shows that there is a creator.
sadly the muslim guy needs to watch ahmed deedat zakir naik and shabir ally to be able to answer with a bit more biblical knowledge and refute some of the allegations made and not just accept everything
@OZMYMAN these 3 u mention there is one who is on shabir ally, zakir niak, and ahmed deedat are foolish, and always represent through misguided theology, and dont know the bible in its context,
They don't, it's just your media that likes to portay that image. The difference is to do with who should assume political leadership. Also realise theres differences in every other religious and non religious groups.
1st of all thanks for asking a question any reasonable person would ask given how the media portrays Islam.. Every religion has sects. But some groups are very radical within any religion. Bible was used to justify slavery. Catholics slaughtered any group that disagreed in the early days, like Christians who thought Jesus was a prophet. In Islam, it';s a particular sect that says it's ok to suicide bomb a crowded market or mosque. Use your brain to see what sect makes sense of any faith
Look, Imagine that your father (no offense just example) hit you with the same staff or whip and it hurt you and continued for hours, When you grow up would you like it? Even if it is something holy you wouldn't like it, If jesus (pbuh) was crucified then why would he respect the cross and take it as something holy?
Is it logical to be 3 gods? Father mother and son? God family?
Jesus pbuh didn't make the cross or church part of christainty what garante that the bible wasn't edited too?
WOW! they put there head to the ground and praye to God, that doesn't mean a thing! lol. i pray to Jesus that he keeps on the right way. but Jesus is the way, the truth and the light, one day you will find out. God Bless!
Jesus himself and the other prophets both 'put their head to the ground and prayed to God' this shows muslims are following the example of Jesus much more than many Christains are, despite you claiming to following his example.
@mrocean21 , Jesus ALSO DID NOT GET MARRIED, HAVE CHILDREN, OR SEX, So you really do everything He did? He also prayed standing as He said; Mr 11:25 "And whenever you stand praying, if you have anything against anyone, forgive him, that your Father in heaven may also forgive you your trespasses.
we are NOT sinles, but all our sin is forgiven. Jesus CHOSE to take our sin upon himself. Read the gospel. Otherwise i'll show you the verses if your'e too lazy. You r still in your sin. Not those who has Jesus as their saviour.
djjireh, I believe in Jesus, i believe in God I believe in the Torah and the Bible, Psalms and The Quran. I believe in all the prophets God has sent. Do you? Wasn't Noah sent by the same God who sent Abraham, Moses, Jacob Mohamad and as I believe Jesus peace be open them all.
God was forgiving and will always be forgiving. He does not need to change his mind from being an unforgiving to becoming a forgiver, that would be a weak tribute to God. THink about it.
hu? U need to write more clearly. God ALWAYS forgives quickly. BUT on the basis of someone paying for the sin. In the old days before Jesus was there, they ALWAYS had to sacrifice a lamb for forgiveness of sin. That's a fact. Read history. Ask the Jews. Then Jesus, the final lamb came to take the sin away! Amen!!
He also called Jesus the lamb of god - John 1:29 & John 1:36.
Jesus was the lamb. Why? Just like Moses had to offer a lamb for forgiveness of sin ,so was Jesus THAT VERY LAMB for all our sins.
Islam's contradicts itself cause they believe in the Torah, but the Torah clearly say your sin only gets forgiven by the sacrifice of a lamb. That's it. No other way.
The Israelites used to sacrifice a lamb on the Day of Atonement, but Jesus was not a lamb. Jesus wasnt even crucified! The Old Testament teaches that human sacrifice is wrong.
And after they have been destroyed before you, be careful not to be ensnared by inquiring about their gods, saying, "How do these nations serve their gods? We will do the same." You must not worship the LORD your God in their way, because in worshiping their gods, they do all kinds of detestable things the LORD hates. They even burn their sons and daughters in the fire as sacrifices to their gods. (Deuteronomy 12:30-31)
Jesus was teaching his disciples in the outer court of the Temple and one of them said unto him: Master, it is said by the priests that without shedding of blood there is no remission. Can then the blood offering of the law take away sin? And Jesus answered: No blood offering, of beast or bird, or man, can take away sin, for how can the conscience be purged from sin by the shedding of innocent blood? Nay, it will increase the condemnation. (Gospel of the Nazorenes, online Source)
The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin. (Deuteronomy 24:16)
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. (Ezekiel 18:20)
To do justice and judgment [is] more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice. (Proverbs 21:3)
But go ye and learn what [that] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. (Matthew 9:13)
The Greek word Christ means the anointed. Jesus was anointed, so therefore he was saved from crucifixion.
John the Baptist is forced to call Jesus the "Lamb of God" (John 1:29), but John was a strict Essene; he never couldve used this pagan title! Jesus is called "Lamb of God" because he took away the sins of mankind, yet the title is false because Jesus was not crucified (Psalms 20:6) so therefore he was not the Lamb of God.
how can it be God who does not forgive easily, let himself die easily then decides to start to forgive. That accusation is illogical. It's like saying God twisted his ability, from being cruel to jumping to letting himself die, and then begins to forgive. I ask you, does that sound like a chacterstic to God? who is has unstabilty in his decicions.
The bible itself Ezekiel v20(see my last post) proves that every man is responsible for thier own doings, Look at it with an open mind! there is no ORIGINAL SIN ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE
BUT, that's why I serve such an AWESOME God, because He took my sin upon Himself!! I DEFINITELY do not deserve it!! So God does not see my sin anymore, because Jesus died willingly for it. Jesus said: 'I LAY DOWN MAY LIFE, no one takes it from me...'Jesus decided to die in our place for us, that we don't have to go to hell. I have a saviour, do you?
I DONT UNDERSTAND WHERE ORIGINAL SIN COMES FROM BECAUSE CLEARLY IN THE BIBLE IT STATES
"The soul who sins is the one who will die. The SON will not share the GUILT of the FATHER, nor will the father share the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous man will be CREDITED TO HIM, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him" (Ezekeil V20)
The problem Islam sits with is SIN. SIN MUST be punished by God if He is good. Muslims do not have someone who paid for their sins, so hell is then the only way... Jesus died for our sins, so God see us righteous. Sin can oly be paid by BLOOD,otherwise theres no forgiveness... (Heb 9:22)
I dont know where you get these philosophies. Why do you accuse God of being pretentious. God destines everything. You fool are saying that God planned his own death at the hands of evil people to forgive all the evil of the world.
Thats a mockery to Gods concept of Justice. Your conception of God leaves God as a pretentious, Foolish, Unjust God who goes pretending like a saviour by killing himself. God doesnt feel pain. God doesn get bashed by humans and kicked around. Our Allah is almighty above and far from all such disgraceful statements. Praise be to Him.
Only a muslim would consider God dieing on the cross for our sins to be a discraceful statement. There is nothing discraceful about it. God loves us so much that he sent his only Son to pay for our sins. God tired of the senseless slaughter of innocent animals.
Thats true, in Islam you are responsible of your own actions. So if you do good, God rewards and vice versa(If you are Muslim there is no garuntee of paradise, so you have to work for it). But christians argue that Jesus deing for their sins is a better solution. So, to for exaple christians who do crimes will be granted heaven. If so, then I guess hitler and many murdurers have an exuses to go for. It makes things clear you do what you like without any consequence.
kk9381: Where did you get that from? Unless a person REPENT, he will perish. Jesus died for my sins yes, but does that mean i keep on sinning? off course not! If i murdered someone and someone buys me out of jail, does it mean i can kill again when I'm outa jail? Of course not?
My question, What's happening with your sin when you die? Does God just overlook it?Forgive it? That's an unjust God who does that. IF God is good, He SHOULD punish all sin. watch my vid on sin
i think they approached it in an incorrect manner, they should have picked one hotly contested issue and tried to disprove each other and then debate which is the correct religion, that would have been much more interesting, but nonetheless this was quite good
Genocide of the residents of Canaan:The Israelites invaded Canaan and, under God's instructions, exterminated seven nations in widespread acts of genocide: check out Deuteronomy 7:1-2
Joshua 6:21: "And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword."
Moreover, I think you are alluding that a true prophet must not engage in any form of killing. You may be right, but sadly for you that would undermine Christianity too. What happened to the Canaanites?
extreme098 , unfortunately you have missed the point of the presentation. Just making statements does nothing to undermine the four points mentioned and that the best explanation is that Mohammed (saw) was a prophet.
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How terrible. What a world we live in. I suppose you can go to a university and remain in dilusion and biased for a created allah. Goes to show that education is fake. You can be a complete idiot and a diluted fool and still get a degree.
I have just started with youtube and this talk is just good! MashAllah. Google Hamza Tzortzis and his blog hamzatzortzis . blogspot. com is one of a kind for dawah to nonMuslims and muslims! And check out the academic writings under the label Christianity!
For a more indepth analysis on the rational foundations of the Islamic belief and creed please go to hamzatzortzis . blogspot . com or see the excellent lecture video by typing in Hamza Tzortzis on YouTube and see the "The intellectual Basis of Islam" talk in Canada
Check out theinimitablequran . com and type in Hamza Tzortzis in YouTube to get a brief on the inimitability of the Qur'an. And watch out for a 1 hour lecture on the Proof of God and Proof of the Quran that was delivered in Canada, Wilfrid Laurier University. Will be on YouTube in a couple of days. For more info check out hamzatzortzis . blogspot . com
I am a chritsian but I kinda agree with you. religion does tend to cause war and ignorance. A true beliver of any religion should be educated without bias and should open minded to everything.
You all sleep in an illusion of religous fervour,with a bible/koran as your pillow and ignorance your blanket.The gods died when we found the stars...live your life for the now for it is all you have....peace
to show the quran to a non arabic speaker is very easy, poetry in its sound has a beat, that beat, as all beats can be imitated, n in semetic languages, as in old english, u can show this beat in written form.
recite the last few chapters, which are very short, n ask after each one, did u percieve a rythmic pattern, a beat of sound, if he says yes, then he has just admitted the quran is a miracle, n thats without even knowing a word of arabic.
Correct we all the children of prophet Adam. Everyone of us. Prophet Mohammad, Juses, Abraham, Noah, Moses, etc (saw)....are all the prophets of God/Allah.
Allah has nor ever will begotten a "son". Allah is the most supreme. Allahu Akbar.
my brother im a MUSLIM. i dont know why you are accusing me of sayin ALLAH had sex with mary, come on that is insane. i feel a bit sad that u have said that.
i think you never read my point below properly, i think you have misunderstood what i said. dont worry im cool coz ur my muslim brother/sister
cool and im your brother not sister -i just named myself as that coz my lil sister was born at that time. safe n well done in answering qestions from non muslims carry on and help us spread gods words.
tooth fairy or Easter bunny, which one is provable?
godkingRoss 3 months ago
@godkingRoss at least you cared enough to comment,
pantherlake2002 2 months ago
אלה=Elah=God=Hebrew
اله=Alah=God=Arabic
ܐܠܐܗ=Alah or Elah=Aramic
hallalmart 8 months ago 2
Pastafarianism.
tipoomaster 1 year ago
There are just no legitimate reasons to include Muhamamd in the list of Prophets.
LothairOfLorraine 1 year ago
@LothairOfLorraine yes there are many legtimate reasons for mohammad tobe a prophet and he is a prophet u dont have to include him on ur own list...muslims dont care
khalilrabee 1 year ago
@khalilrabee Muslims don't care because it is better to ignore the facts than address them.
LothairOfLorraine 10 months ago
@LothairOfLorraine what? i said there are reasons to believe that he is a prophet...and u believe or dont believe thats ur problem...thats whati meant...
christians are hipocrits...
khalilrabee 10 months ago
@khalilrabee There is nothing hypcritical in pointing out that Muhammad can't be added to the list of legitimate Prophets.
LothairOfLorraine 9 months ago
@LothairOfLorraine acording to u, but not acording to ur own bible...acording tour own bible mohammad is a prophet, therefore christians who reject him are hipocrits...
besides we dont even need the bible to prove he is a prophet, and ur noone to decide who is and who isnt a prophet
khalilrabee 9 months ago
@khalilrabee The Bible is the textual authority that I depend upon to reason that Muhammad is no Prophet.
LothairOfLorraine 9 months ago
@LothairOfLorraine really...the bible says that the spirit of truth is the on who accepts jesus as the mesiah...so i dont really believe u...
besides as i said, believe or do not believe, if u dont include him on UR list that doesnt mean he is not on THE list of genuin prophets...
but just to sound nice i like to point out to christians that even their bible (which they dont care much about) testifies for mohammad...both old and new testaments..bye
khalilrabee 9 months ago
@khalilrabee The Bible says a great deal more on the subject. For example, the Spirit of Truth [Gk πνευμα αληθειας, Jhn 15:26] will testify of Jesus. Not the artificial 'Isa' of the Quran, but the Incarnate Word born of the Virgin.
LothairOfLorraine 9 months ago
@khalilrabee
"acording tour own bible mohammad is a prophet,"
Not everyone referring to the Torah/Gospel and claiming he's a prophet is one.
There are definitions of how to identify wrong prophets in the bible. For example the one given by Jesus, who says that there will be wrong prophets after him and we will recognize them when they do bad things.
It's not difficult to find tons of bad things Muhammad did, allowed or ordered. Things which stay opposite to Jesus, always in a bad way.
mawa89g 9 months ago
@mawa89g aha..ur contradicting ur own bible now...the bible does speak about false prophets and how to indentify them,but it also speak about real prohets...and it says that if something a prophet says comes true then he is a man of god...the prohet mohammad said that rome, constantinople, persia will be conquered...and they were conquered, it also says that a spirit of truth accepts jesus as the messiah,ur bible says it and u dont believe in it
show us one bad thing mohammad did
khalilrabee 9 months ago
@khalilrabee
Matthew 7, 16 just totally disqualifies Muhammad as a prophet, if you're not willing to find excuses for things like mass executions, torture or slavery.
mawa89g 9 months ago
@mawa89g raids? he comanded the raids to gain back what belonged to the muslims because the pagans stole the goods of muslims who left makka and started to sell them in syria...thats why he comanded those "raids"...
asma bent marwan? she was instigating the pagans to start a war against the muslims...she was asked to stop and she didnt listen...nothign disqualifies him for being a prophet...moses was a prophet and acording to ur own bible moses killed inocent and guilty all alike...
khalilrabee 9 months ago
@khalilrabee
" she was instigating the pagans to start a war against the muslims..."
Basically she was writing poetry about Muhammad he didn't like. Then she was murdered on his order in the middle of her children, while breastfeeding one of them.
The murderer had problems with this and asked Muhammad if it really was ok - Muhammad said there is no reason to worry about.
Everyone has the right of free speech. Without being murdered if a Muslim has another opinion!
mawa89g 9 months ago
@mawa89g no no my dear...she was sayign poetry which was instigating hatred and violence against the muslims...poetry in that time could be used like fox news today when it attacks muslims and makes ppl hate muslims..thats what she was doing...if u dont understand that society, then study it and see the importance of poetry in that time
this free speach argument is a secular argument, and even in secular society if someone instigates wars between nations he will be punished...
khalilrabee 9 months ago
@mawa89g but as i said...ur bible says that moses was a prophet and he ordered the mass killing of absolutely everything that breathes...so u have absolutely nothing to acuse the prophet of...unles ur not christian and dont believe in the bible...right?
khalilrabee 9 months ago
@mawa89g christians like duble standards...acording to ur own bibe moses ordered the slaughter of pregant women and their children inside them, he ordered the killing of everything that breathes...ofcourse i dont believe tht about the prohet moses, peace be upon him, but thats what ur bible says...so u dont have anything to acuse mohammad of because he didnt do anythign as close to what ur bible says about moses and other prophets...right? double standards? u studied from sam shamoun?
khalilrabee 9 months ago
@mawa89g u see...u only believe in the bible when it suits u...when truth is shown to ppl many avert....but alhamdulillah many accept the truth
khalilrabee 9 months ago
@khalilrabee
I do? When? Where?
I don't take the "spirit of truth" passage out of context, if you mean that, as many muslims do...
I also don't think that referring to the passage I just did is "only taking when it suits you". We have a clear statement of Jesus here in which he tells us how we would recognize wrong prophets. Muhammad totally fits in the description, he did horrible things.
Not to speak of the many times he clearly allows to break Jesus' rules...and always in a bad way.
mawa89g 9 months ago
@mawa89g when where what? thats what ur bible says....
what did he break and what horrible things did he do?
khalilrabee 9 months ago
@khalilrabee
Yeah - where does it say so?
To Muhammad:
Jesus said love your neigbous, even enemies.
Look at what Muhammad did to the Banu Quraiza. Safiyya's first husband and her whole family. The Banu Nadir. Al-Ashraf, Abu Afak, Asma bint Marwan. He ordered to kill apostates.
Even if you only take Muslim and Bukhari as sources, the Sahih's, you have murder (for speaking against Islam), rape, raidings, systematic mass-execution, torture and so on. Allowed or ordered by Muhammad.
mawa89g 9 months ago
@mawa89g he didnt murder anyone to spread islam...the jews of those tribes tried to kill him many times, they allied with the pagans against him, the muslims were almost eradicated from the face of the earth beause of them...he didnt order the killing of anyone to spread islam, islam doesnt need killing to spread, unlike christianity which is filled with blood right? what rape? what torture? what are u talking about? mass execution?
khalilrabee 9 months ago
@khalilrabee
rape --> f.e. captured women in Sahih Muslim Book 8, Hadith 3371
torture--> Safiyya's first husband
mass execution --> Banu Quraiza. I guess the systematic beheading of at least 400 "men" (everyone from puberty on) counts as mass execution. And I'm not willing to agree that everyone of them was a evil Jew who wanted to kill the prophet, sorry. Their women and children got enslaved and distributed among the Muslims.
mawa89g 9 months ago
@mawa89g i dont care if it could have been from allah or could not have been...thats what ur bible says...if a people betrayes then the men of the age of puberty and up must be killed, their women and children taken..thats in ur bible, deutornomy...i never heard of torture of safiyya's husband.
rape? what rape? there is no rape...the hadiths speak about having sex with captive women, if sex if rape to u then thats ur problem.
khalilrabee 9 months ago
@khalilrabee
I guess having sex with women whose husbands had just been killed by the men they have sex with, that's not my problem. That can be nothing but rape. No woman would sleep with someone who just killed the male part of her family, enslaved here and wants to sell her on afterwards.
The Hadith is about if the Muslims should try to not make them pregnant - because they'd get less money for pregnant women when selling them again.
Btw, you have no problem with adultery there?
mawa89g 9 months ago
@mawa89g my dear...in islam heaing sex is not allowed except through mariage...and mariage is not allowed except with the womans agreement...ok?
yes i have a problem with adultery but there is no adultery...muslims took those women who agreed as wives and had sex with them as wives...no adultery and no rape...rape is in ur mind and sam shamouns and david woods minds...there was no rape...thats how society was, they had wars, men died...
khalilrabee 9 months ago
@khalilrabee
"had sex with them as wives"
That's just wrong.
Sahih Muslim Book 8, Number 3371 (and 3373) clearly says that the Muslims didn't have there wives with them and because of that desired to have sex with the "excellent arab women" they captured. That they didn't want to make them pregnant because they wanted to sell them as slaves afterwards. Do you sell your wife?
mawa89g 9 months ago
@mawa89g no i dont...and my dear...thats one single hadith...and the qor'an clearly says that zinah is totally forbidden...ok? so that claim of urs has absolutely no value...sex is allowed only through mariage, the qor'an says it clear and the qor'an has superiority over any hadith. ok?
first u say they raped them, although the hadith doesn say anything about raping...thats ur word which u try to impose...there is no rape...only sex and the qor'an makes it clear...is that clear enough?
khalilrabee 9 months ago
@khalilrabee
".thats one single hadith"
Sura 4:24 says exactly the same thing. You can commit adultery, but only with women who your "right hand posseses", so slaves or war captives.
And there are way more hadiths like that, I just quoted a single one...if you go 2 Hadiths further to Book 8, Number 3373, you have the same thing again. It's also in Bukhari Book 7, Volume 62 , Hadith 137.
There even are laws if your concubine's child is a slave or not, so come on.
mawa89g 9 months ago
@mawa89g again when u use our sources especially the qor'an u have to know that we read our book, unlike the great majority of christians...the women possesed by the right hand were the widows of the dead enemy soldiers after battle, that was a practice in arabia...and the qor'an makes it clear..."ow u who believe do not aproach zinah. it is a hahishah"...fahisha means disgusting, ugly, unlawful, animalic act...ok? the qor'an is clear...
khalilrabee 9 months ago
@mawa89g and again u have nothing to condemn the prophet of because acording to ur very own bible the prophet moses ordered rtaping all the women and the ones who were not virgins to be killed, and the ones that were virgins to be taken by jews and give god 30 of them...i dont belueve that but thats what ur bible says...so u have absolutely nothing to dondemn the prophet of because he didnt do anything as close to what moses did acording to ur bible...but again u believe in it only when it suits
khalilrabee 9 months ago
@khalilrabee Not so, The word, ''RAPE '' is Not in those verses, Its only in the filthy minds of the filthy unclean Muslim men. MUHD cannot be a true prophet according to JESUS Christ; Joh 4:22 "You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews. UNLESS HE WAS A JEW?
GodsSeer 8 months ago
@GodsSeer stop ur filthy lies, he is a prophet not acording to jesus christ but acording to the god who created u and jesus christ and who can punish u anytime for ur insults.
we worship what we do not know? we worship the one god, the creator of the heavens and earth. if u tell me that u know what u worship then pls explain to the audience in a rational way what the trinity is.
khalilrabee 8 months ago
@khalilrabee, First, The Creator's Name is NOT Allah. It is YHVH, OVER 7,000 TIMES IN THE Bible, not once is He called Allah. Allah was one of 360 pagan gods MUHD chose to start his religion that serviced his lusts. Satan was the evil spirit that squeezed him nearly to death, forcing him to do sth he cannot do, Islam is all about coercion, threats, force and fear tactics. Satanic is the WORD that best describes the MUHD made.
GodsSeer 8 months ago
@GodsSeer he is not allah? u see u dont have the slightest idea of theology. it doesnt matter how u call him, the concept is what matters. the one and only god who created the heavens and the earth. call him yahweh call him allah, call him god. however u want.
and before pretending u know anything about islam read islamic books not orientalist books full of lies. ur not going to learn islam from non-muslims...just as u wont learn christianity from muslims. bye
khalilrabee 8 months ago
@khalilrabee , It does not matter what I call HIM? What if I called Him Satan? Does that matter? Allah is Satan. Allah lied against Jesus Christ and the LIVING YHVH. Allah is a liar and teaches his followers to lie. Any god that would deceive sweet Mother Mary and the good men who followed Jesus into believing a lie, is a liar himself and Satan the father of lies. YHVH'S Word needs NO LIES to support it. There is NO lie of TRUTH. The evil spirit that forced MUHD to recite did not know he cannot?
GodsSeer 8 months ago
@khalilrabee , and you DO not know Allah, he IS UNKNOWABLE, UNLIKE YHVH WHO SPEAKS TO His CHILDREN, Jesus Christ is correct, you do NOT know THE ONE YOU WORSHIP. You only know of him. You do not have a personal relationship with him as we do with the TRUE GOD. Joh 17:3 "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
GodsSeer 8 months ago
@khalilrabee ,Did they place a statue of Hubul on top of the Kabah? Yes.
At that time was Hubul considered the Moon-god? Yes.
Was the Kabah thus the "house of the Moon-god"? Yes.
Did the name "Allah" eventually replace that of Hubul as the name of the Moon god? Yes.
Did they call the Kabah the "house of Allah"? Yes
GodsSeer 8 months ago
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GodsSeer 8 months ago
@GodsSeer man u know what? allah is satan? give us proof he is satan. idiot.
or u know what? dont reply anymore. go read some books instead of listening to christian missionaries.
khalilrabee 8 months ago
@khalilrabee , YES Allah IS Satan; 2Co 11:14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.Gabriel NEVER would FORCE anyone to do something he was unable to do. The Quran is opposing the Gospel of Christ; Ga 1:8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.Gabriel Always COMFORTED ALL He spoke to, never leaving them thinking they are demon possessed wanting to die.
GodsSeer 8 months ago
@GodsSeer ok show us proof that allah is satan. allah never became an angel. he is a creator of angels.
khalilrabee 8 months ago
@khalilrabee . Satan can make himself look like an angel of LIGHT; He is the deceiver. 2Co 11:14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. Any god that deceives good people like Jesus' disciples and Mother Mary into THINKING they saw Jesus Christ die on the cross, is NOT THE HOLY God of the Bible Who has NO need to deceive because He knows the end from the beginning. He would have never allowed JESUS to be beaten if He did not send Him. Was the fake one beaten?
GodsSeer 8 months ago
@GodsSeer are u insane? god didnt become an angel of light or of anything. he is god the creator of everyone. even ur bible says that noone can see god. allah derived from halal? ur totally insane, i dont know who u listen to. bye
khalilrabee 8 months ago
@GodsSeer no wonder paul seen a big light
exposemyfoes 8 months ago
@khalilrabee ,The name Allah is derived from the Hebrew Chaldea word Halal which is the NAME OF SATAN in the scriptures in Isaiah 14:12 "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer (HALAL), son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"You have NO assurance of salvation, I do. LISTEN, God has spoken. Are you listening? Whom you affiliate with determines where you spend eternity. There is never escape from Hell. Allah lied.
GodsSeer 8 months ago
@GodsSeer what did jesus call god on the cross,"ellah,ellah lamasabachtani",thats the aramaic dialect for allah
exposemyfoes 8 months ago
@exposemyfoes Muslims believe the word Allah was used by Jesus when he hung on the cross. The Bible records that Jesus said "Eli Eli lama sabachthani", but you say Jesus really cried out to Allah and said "Allah, Allah lama sabachthani" My question is: Would you please explain why you would use this argument when you don't believe Jesus ever hung on the cross?
GodsSeer 2 months ago
@exposemyfoes And second, since Jesus was quoting Ps 22:1 on the cross, isn't rather unlikely that both the Hebrew Old Testament and the Greek New Testament are wrong using Eli, a Hebrew word, rather than Allah, an arab word?
GodsSeer 2 months ago
@mawa89g and dont tell me what jesus says as an answer to dueotronomy because the jews dont believe in jesus ok? ur bible says it, mohammad judged the jews acording to ur own bible, the jews chose to be judged as they recognised their betrayal, and a jew even told the prophet that he judged by allah...
u have nothing to acuse the prophet of...islam is merciful...when he conquered mekka he could have killed all the pagans as revenge for the 20 years of attacks and killings...but he didnt do that
khalilrabee 9 months ago
@khalilrabee
"the jews dont believe in jesus ok"
But I do.
Again, why didn't Muhammad say "I don't do that cruel judgement, I'll be merciful!"
Why did he say that this Judgement was so wise it could have been from Allah? Muhammad thought the judgement to kill several hundred people was great.
mawa89g 9 months ago
@mawa89g he idnt saybthe judgement was wise, he agreed to judge the jess as they chose to be judged...if they would have chosen islam maybe they would have been spared...but thats what ur bible says and if u want to condemn anything u should condemn ur bible not the prophet...or maybe the jews who chose to be judged by the bible not the prophet...ok? he obeyed ur bible...but as i said...u christians believe in the bible only when it suits u...the qor'an makes this clear to us and ur proof
khalilrabee 9 months ago
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@khalilrabee
"if they would have chosen islam maybe they would have been spared."
That's what's in the Hadith. Embrace Islam and you'll live (despite the judgement?), don't and we kill you. Great. Freedom of Religion, Islam-way.
"he idnt saybthe judgement was wise"
from Bukhari
" (...) Sad said, "Kill their (men) warriors and take their offspring as captives, "On that the Prophet said, "You have judged according to Allah's Judgment," (...)"
mawa89g 9 months ago
@khalilrabee , Jews do not believe in MUHD either. They do have the correct GOD though, and MUHD did not. Was MUHD born into a Jewish family or tribe? No,,What religion was his family and tribe? Pagans,,What was the name of his pagan father? Abdullah (Abd + Allah)
Did Muhammad participate in the pagan ceremonies of Mecca? Yes, Did the Arabs in pre-Islamic times worship 360 gods? Yes. Did the pagans Arabs worship the sun, moon and the stars? Yes. Is Islam based on paganism, YES!
GodsSeer 8 months ago
@khalilrabee ,Did the Arabs built temples to the Moon-god? Yes
Did different Arab tribes give the Moon-god different names/titles? Yes
What were some of the names/titles? Sin, Hubul, Ilumquh, Al-ilah.
Was the title "al-ilah" (the god) used of the Moon-god? Yes
Was the word "Allah" derived from "al-ilah?" Yes
Was the pagan "Allah" a high god in a pantheon of deities? Yes.
Was he worshipped at the Kabah? Yes.
Was Allah only one of many Meccan gods? Yes
GodsSeer 8 months ago
@mawa89g if u use muslim sources then read the entire stories, not what fits u...dont pick and chose...
he didnt order mass executions but punishments...the jews were judged for what they did qACORDING TO UR OWN BIBLE! he did what ur bible said to do to those who dont keep the treaties...so blame ur bible
khalilrabee 9 months ago
@mawa89g they chose to be judged by the bible, if they woud have chosen to be judged acording to the qor'an they would have been spared perhaps...but they chose the bible and ur bible says to kill the traitors men, and thats what he did...he obeyed ur bible, so burn ur bible
khalilrabee 9 months ago
@khalilrabee
" they chose to be judged by the bible"
You can argue about that. But according by a Bukhari Hadith, Muhammad said that the judgement was so wise that it could have been from Allah.
He had a chance to show how merciful he is there, how good Islam is.
To the Bible: We have an answer to this - Jesus. Read the sermon of the Mount, how often he says "You have heard....but I tell you...".
mawa89g 9 months ago
@LothairOfLorraine Oh yeah? Prove it.
notionSlave 10 months ago
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@LothairOfLorraine the same goes for anyone who claimed to be a prophet but died on the cross which according to deut 21, is cursed by yahweh
exposemyfoes 8 months ago
I always love to see how islam and christian debate, just like a two 5 years old kid, one claim that Superman is better than batman coz superman from kryptonite and made of steel. but the other kid claim that Batman is better, coz He has a fully-amazing-gadget. what they don't know is both batman and superman doesn't exist until they've grown up.
denioktora 1 year ago
@denioktora well at least we know god exists
ofomatheblackbelt 11 months ago
No religion is provable. They ALL require faith to be believed. Only a moron would believe a religion based on evidence, because there is none. Religion is just BS.
superstitionfree 1 year ago
@superstitionfree So u being an atheist believe that the universe was creadet by chance and was totally accidental LOL. now thats Bs
cinista2002 1 year ago
@cinista2002 All I know is that it wasn't created by any of the fictional god characters defined in the world's religious books (Bible, Koran, ETC).
superstitionfree 1 year ago
@superstitionfree: All i also know is that this universe we live in is so finely tuned and constructed to the smallest detail, which in no way can be caused by total accident.
How do u know it was created by any of the 'fictional god'? All the evidence from science just shows that there is a creator.
cinista2002 1 year ago
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@cinista2002 The evidence of science does not any way prove that there is an intelligent creator for the Universe.
PatrioticEagle50 1 year ago
lol the christian guy has shown why christianity is nonsensical.
slayyyyn 1 year ago
"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe." -Carl Sagan
Secnateb 2 years ago
Religions are not provable. If they were, they wouldn't be called religions.
Metsada007 2 years ago
sadly the muslim guy needs to watch ahmed deedat zakir naik and shabir ally to be able to answer with a bit more biblical knowledge and refute some of the allegations made and not just accept everything
OZMYMAN 2 years ago
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ahmed dedat wasa moron whio didnt know anything about the bible. some of the nonsense he came up with was so pathetic i dont know where to begin
Jimoz456 2 years ago
@OZMYMAN these 3 u mention there is one who is on shabir ally, zakir niak, and ahmed deedat are foolish, and always represent through misguided theology, and dont know the bible in its context,
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
Why do muslims hate each other so much? sunni shia suffi etc? Why do they teach and beleive different things?
novemberwh1skey 2 years ago
They don't, it's just your media that likes to portay that image. The difference is to do with who should assume political leadership. Also realise theres differences in every other religious and non religious groups.
mrocean21 2 years ago
It's not so much that they teach different things, but they teach different 'extra' things.
WarriorSaladin 2 years ago
1st of all thanks for asking a question any reasonable person would ask given how the media portrays Islam.. Every religion has sects. But some groups are very radical within any religion. Bible was used to justify slavery. Catholics slaughtered any group that disagreed in the early days, like Christians who thought Jesus was a prophet. In Islam, it';s a particular sect that says it's ok to suicide bomb a crowded market or mosque. Use your brain to see what sect makes sense of any faith
mus5599 2 years ago
Look, Imagine that your father (no offense just example) hit you with the same staff or whip and it hurt you and continued for hours, When you grow up would you like it? Even if it is something holy you wouldn't like it, If jesus (pbuh) was crucified then why would he respect the cross and take it as something holy?
Is it logical to be 3 gods? Father mother and son? God family?
Jesus pbuh didn't make the cross or church part of christainty what garante that the bible wasn't edited too?
DRAGONFANGXII 2 years ago
słabo słychać słabo widać vision, voice - they are weak
Apache1980 3 years ago
I pray to the same God of Noah, Abraham, Ismael, Issac, Moses, David, Jesus and Mohamad peace and blessings upon them all.
Even john the Batist worship God, Jesus in the bible put his face on the ground in prayer for God, as we Muslims do the same.
dcfnfb 3 years ago
Alhamdulilah! Nicely said brother
MavsBoyJ5 3 years ago
WOW! they put there head to the ground and praye to God, that doesn't mean a thing! lol. i pray to Jesus that he keeps on the right way. but Jesus is the way, the truth and the light, one day you will find out. God Bless!
GodsVessel08 2 years ago
Jesus himself and the other prophets both 'put their head to the ground and prayed to God' this shows muslims are following the example of Jesus much more than many Christains are, despite you claiming to following his example.
mrocean21 2 years ago
who said i dont pray like that?? dont stereotype, just because all christians don't do it, don't mean all!
GodsVessel08 2 years ago
@mrocean21 , Jesus ALSO DID NOT GET MARRIED, HAVE CHILDREN, OR SEX, So you really do everything He did? He also prayed standing as He said; Mr 11:25 "And whenever you stand praying, if you have anything against anyone, forgive him, that your Father in heaven may also forgive you your trespasses.
GodsSeer 8 months ago
djjireh you say Jesus takes alll the sin away, then what does God do then, so you are saying christians are sinless. Right?
kk9381 3 years ago
we are NOT sinles, but all our sin is forgiven. Jesus CHOSE to take our sin upon himself. Read the gospel. Otherwise i'll show you the verses if your'e too lazy. You r still in your sin. Not those who has Jesus as their saviour.
djjireh 3 years ago
djjireh, I believe in Jesus, i believe in God I believe in the Torah and the Bible, Psalms and The Quran. I believe in all the prophets God has sent. Do you? Wasn't Noah sent by the same God who sent Abraham, Moses, Jacob Mohamad and as I believe Jesus peace be open them all.
kk9381 3 years ago
I pray to the same God of Noah, Abraham, Ismael, Issac, Moses, David, Jesus and Mohamad peace and blessings upon them all.
Even john the Batist worship God, Jesus in the bible put his face on the ground in prayer for God, as we Muslims do the same.
kk9381 3 years ago
God was forgiving and will always be forgiving. He does not need to change his mind from being an unforgiving to becoming a forgiver, that would be a weak tribute to God. THink about it.
kk9381 3 years ago
hu? U need to write more clearly. God ALWAYS forgives quickly. BUT on the basis of someone paying for the sin. In the old days before Jesus was there, they ALWAYS had to sacrifice a lamb for forgiveness of sin. That's a fact. Read history. Ask the Jews. Then Jesus, the final lamb came to take the sin away! Amen!!
djjireh 3 years ago
You even compare Jesus to a lamb, Im a muslim and have more respect in my belief. God would substitute Jesus in place of a lamb.
kk9381 3 years ago
So you r better than John the Baptist? right.
He also called Jesus the lamb of god - John 1:29 & John 1:36.
Jesus was the lamb. Why? Just like Moses had to offer a lamb for forgiveness of sin ,so was Jesus THAT VERY LAMB for all our sins.
Islam's contradicts itself cause they believe in the Torah, but the Torah clearly say your sin only gets forgiven by the sacrifice of a lamb. That's it. No other way.
djjireh 3 years ago
Jesus is the lamb of God. Like djjireh said: John the baptist said it in John 1:29.go read it.
worrierofgod4ever 3 years ago
The Israelites used to sacrifice a lamb on the Day of Atonement, but Jesus was not a lamb. Jesus wasnt even crucified! The Old Testament teaches that human sacrifice is wrong.
kk9381 3 years ago
And after they have been destroyed before you, be careful not to be ensnared by inquiring about their gods, saying, "How do these nations serve their gods? We will do the same." You must not worship the LORD your God in their way, because in worshiping their gods, they do all kinds of detestable things the LORD hates. They even burn their sons and daughters in the fire as sacrifices to their gods. (Deuteronomy 12:30-31)
kk9381 3 years ago
Jesus was teaching his disciples in the outer court of the Temple and one of them said unto him: Master, it is said by the priests that without shedding of blood there is no remission. Can then the blood offering of the law take away sin? And Jesus answered: No blood offering, of beast or bird, or man, can take away sin, for how can the conscience be purged from sin by the shedding of innocent blood? Nay, it will increase the condemnation. (Gospel of the Nazorenes, online Source)
kk9381 3 years ago
God hates human sacrifice:
The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin. (Deuteronomy 24:16)
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. (Ezekiel 18:20)
kk9381 3 years ago
that was not sacrifice mate.
Do you know what sacrifice means?
worrierofgod4ever 3 years ago 3
To do justice and judgment [is] more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice. (Proverbs 21:3)
But go ye and learn what [that] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. (Matthew 9:13)
kk9381 3 years ago
The Greek word Christ means the anointed. Jesus was anointed, so therefore he was saved from crucifixion.
John the Baptist is forced to call Jesus the "Lamb of God" (John 1:29), but John was a strict Essene; he never couldve used this pagan title! Jesus is called "Lamb of God" because he took away the sins of mankind, yet the title is false because Jesus was not crucified (Psalms 20:6) so therefore he was not the Lamb of God.
kk9381 3 years ago
o my word, where did you get that from? lol
Lets read psalms yes. Psalm 22. Read it and tell me what it says. I dare you. Does it soud familiar?
worrierofgod4ever 3 years ago
how can it be God who does not forgive easily, let himself die easily then decides to start to forgive. That accusation is illogical. It's like saying God twisted his ability, from being cruel to jumping to letting himself die, and then begins to forgive. I ask you, does that sound like a chacterstic to God? who is has unstabilty in his decicions.
kk9381 3 years ago
The bible itself Ezekiel v20(see my last post) proves that every man is responsible for thier own doings, Look at it with an open mind! there is no ORIGINAL SIN ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE
PUP135 3 years ago
Original sin is from Adam. Genesis mate.
BUT, that's why I serve such an AWESOME God, because He took my sin upon Himself!! I DEFINITELY do not deserve it!! So God does not see my sin anymore, because Jesus died willingly for it. Jesus said: 'I LAY DOWN MAY LIFE, no one takes it from me...'Jesus decided to die in our place for us, that we don't have to go to hell. I have a saviour, do you?
worrierofgod4ever 3 years ago
I DONT UNDERSTAND WHERE ORIGINAL SIN COMES FROM BECAUSE CLEARLY IN THE BIBLE IT STATES
"The soul who sins is the one who will die. The SON will not share the GUILT of the FATHER, nor will the father share the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous man will be CREDITED TO HIM, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him" (Ezekeil V20)
PUP135 3 years ago
The problem Islam sits with is SIN. SIN MUST be punished by God if He is good. Muslims do not have someone who paid for their sins, so hell is then the only way... Jesus died for our sins, so God see us righteous. Sin can oly be paid by BLOOD,otherwise theres no forgiveness... (Heb 9:22)
worrierofgod4ever 3 years ago
ALMIGHTY IS JUST,
U PAY FOR EVERYTHING THAT U NEED ON EARTH SO WHY SHOULD SOME1 ELSE PAY 4 UR SINS?
THE WORD GOD(DOG back to front)WAS TAKEN FROM
THE GERMAN WORD GOODE OR GODDE MEANING GOOD.
I DO WRONG AND SOME1 ELSE PAYS DONT MAKE SENSE.
j400wel 3 years ago
I dont know where you get these philosophies. Why do you accuse God of being pretentious. God destines everything. You fool are saying that God planned his own death at the hands of evil people to forgive all the evil of the world.
faki49 3 years ago
Thats a mockery to Gods concept of Justice. Your conception of God leaves God as a pretentious, Foolish, Unjust God who goes pretending like a saviour by killing himself. God doesnt feel pain. God doesn get bashed by humans and kicked around. Our Allah is almighty above and far from all such disgraceful statements. Praise be to Him.
faki49 3 years ago
Only a muslim would consider God dieing on the cross for our sins to be a discraceful statement. There is nothing discraceful about it. God loves us so much that he sent his only Son to pay for our sins. God tired of the senseless slaughter of innocent animals.
SwordofManticorE 3 years ago
Thats true, in Islam you are responsible of your own actions. So if you do good, God rewards and vice versa(If you are Muslim there is no garuntee of paradise, so you have to work for it). But christians argue that Jesus deing for their sins is a better solution. So, to for exaple christians who do crimes will be granted heaven. If so, then I guess hitler and many murdurers have an exuses to go for. It makes things clear you do what you like without any consequence.
kk9381 3 years ago
kk9381: Where did you get that from? Unless a person REPENT, he will perish. Jesus died for my sins yes, but does that mean i keep on sinning? off course not! If i murdered someone and someone buys me out of jail, does it mean i can kill again when I'm outa jail? Of course not?
My question, What's happening with your sin when you die? Does God just overlook it?Forgive it? That's an unjust God who does that. IF God is good, He SHOULD punish all sin. watch my vid on sin
worrierofgod4ever 3 years ago
yahweh hu akabar
worrierofgod4ever 3 years ago
more on adamdeen . blogspot . com
adamITTI 3 years ago
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Fools. How can you vote on this kind of thing?
If it was up to vote, Islam wins, not because it is more provable, but because there are way more arabs parading about.
Satantransvertdeath 3 years ago
Islam.
switcherfly1 3 years ago 19
Are we voting?
I pick
Islam
PaliPrincesz 3 years ago 9
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Christianity or Islam? Christianity, of course.
GuidSaucy 3 years ago
islam,of course
argonald 3 years ago 7
i think they approached it in an incorrect manner, they should have picked one hotly contested issue and tried to disprove each other and then debate which is the correct religion, that would have been much more interesting, but nonetheless this was quite good
abdulr118 3 years ago
allah hu akabar
cm on muslims and islam we can do it
cutepie424 3 years ago 15
muslim speakers blog adamdeen . blogspot . com
adamITTI 3 years ago
Genocide of the residents of Canaan:The Israelites invaded Canaan and, under God's instructions, exterminated seven nations in widespread acts of genocide: check out Deuteronomy 7:1-2
Joshua 6:21: "And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword."
hak2000 3 years ago 3
Moreover, I think you are alluding that a true prophet must not engage in any form of killing. You may be right, but sadly for you that would undermine Christianity too. What happened to the Canaanites?
hak2000 3 years ago 3
extreme098 , unfortunately you have missed the point of the presentation. Just making statements does nothing to undermine the four points mentioned and that the best explanation is that Mohammed (saw) was a prophet.
hak2000 3 years ago 4
Islam!!!
chinesenangman 3 years ago 3
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Allah hu Akbar
waqas202k 3 years ago 7
muslim speakers blog adamdeen . blogspot . com
adamITTI 3 years ago
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How terrible. What a world we live in. I suppose you can go to a university and remain in dilusion and biased for a created allah. Goes to show that education is fake. You can be a complete idiot and a diluted fool and still get a degree.
arielattacks 3 years ago
arielattack instead of ranting why dont address what was discussed, whats the best explanation given the 4 points ?
hak2000 3 years ago 5
muslim speakers blog adamdeen . blogspot . com
adamITTI 3 years ago
what is dis ? no dj shouts on you tube
hak2000 3 years ago
For all you non muslims out there go to hamzatzortzis . blogspot . com and go to the Questions label!
RealTruth80 3 years ago
adamdeen . blogspot . com for more on islam
adamITTI 3 years ago
I have just started with youtube and this talk is just good! MashAllah. Google Hamza Tzortzis and his blog hamzatzortzis . blogspot. com is one of a kind for dawah to nonMuslims and muslims! And check out the academic writings under the label Christianity!
RealTruth80 3 years ago
0309194m and frozenphoenixprod why dont you address the points mentioned in the presentation ?
hak2000 3 years ago
adamdeen . blogspot . com for more on islam
hak2000 3 years ago
For a more indepth analysis on the rational foundations of the Islamic belief and creed please go to hamzatzortzis . blogspot . com or see the excellent lecture video by typing in Hamza Tzortzis on YouTube and see the "The intellectual Basis of Islam" talk in Canada
dioioego 3 years ago
actually thats adamdeen . blogspot . com
hak2000 3 years ago
check out adamdeen . blogstop . com for muslim apologetics
hak2000 3 years ago
you asking me ?
hak2000 3 years ago
whats the best explanation, its not enough to just say that !
hak2000 3 years ago
dumb v dumber
0309194m 3 years ago
Answer: neither.
frozenphoenixprod 3 years ago
the truth will set you free
hak2000 3 years ago
Check out this presentation for more details:
hamzatzortzis . com / YorkUniversityCanada.pps
atzortzis 3 years ago
Check out theinimitablequran . com and type in Hamza Tzortzis in YouTube to get a brief on the inimitability of the Qur'an. And watch out for a 1 hour lecture on the Proof of God and Proof of the Quran that was delivered in Canada, Wilfrid Laurier University. Will be on YouTube in a couple of days. For more info check out hamzatzortzis . blogspot . com
atzortzis 3 years ago
Goodle God on the brain
What160 3 years ago
You know religion is all made up don't you?
Mina0008 3 years ago
ignorance
lombowallah 3 years ago
I am a chritsian but I kinda agree with you. religion does tend to cause war and ignorance. A true beliver of any religion should be educated without bias and should open minded to everything.
2087546 3 years ago
You all sleep in an illusion of religous fervour,with a bible/koran as your pillow and ignorance your blanket.The gods died when we found the stars...live your life for the now for it is all you have....peace
lombowallah 3 years ago
to show the quran to a non arabic speaker is very easy, poetry in its sound has a beat, that beat, as all beats can be imitated, n in semetic languages, as in old english, u can show this beat in written form.
recite the last few chapters, which are very short, n ask after each one, did u percieve a rythmic pattern, a beat of sound, if he says yes, then he has just admitted the quran is a miracle, n thats without even knowing a word of arabic.
hurataimad 3 years ago
It is very stupid to say god has a son. The bible with many errors proves that christianity is false and its no different than judaism.
BOTH MISGUIDED.
08Unknown 3 years ago 2
thats with i said. If there was no religeon besides islam, the world would be more peace full
DCSKATER7295 3 years ago
"thats with i said. If there was no religeon besides islam, the world would be more peace full "
Up to then... thanks for making it as violent as possible.
leojboby 3 years ago
are u saying that God with all his power does not have the ability to have a son...I am sry but i beleive in a much bigger God then u seem too.
freepoints 3 years ago
We are ALL God's children.
Including Jesus, me, you, etc...
Jesus is the prophet of God. Allahu Akbar.
PaliPrincesz 3 years ago
true but we ar not his biological children ie god never had to have sex to produce us. we ar his children metaphorically
1999sis 3 years ago
Are you saying that God had sex with the Mary?
I don't believe that.
We are all Gods children and Jesus is the prophet of God All-mighty. God does has not nor would begotten.
He doesn't need to, he is the supreme being. He is above all. He just says "be" and it is.
PaliPrincesz 3 years ago
ALLAH has no children
cleanarab 3 years ago
Correct we all the children of prophet Adam. Everyone of us. Prophet Mohammad, Juses, Abraham, Noah, Moses, etc (saw)....are all the prophets of God/Allah.
Allah has nor ever will begotten a "son". Allah is the most supreme. Allahu Akbar.
PaliPrincesz 3 years ago
my brother im a MUSLIM. i dont know why you are accusing me of sayin ALLAH had sex with mary, come on that is insane. i feel a bit sad that u have said that.
i think you never read my point below properly, i think you have misunderstood what i said. dont worry im cool coz ur my muslim brother/sister
1999sis 3 years ago
Sis sorry I did misunderstanding your post.
PaliPrincesz 3 years ago
cool and im your brother not sister -i just named myself as that coz my lil sister was born at that time. safe n well done in answering qestions from non muslims carry on and help us spread gods words.
1999sis 3 years ago
God in all his power and ability has no need to have a son.
Amatullah83 3 years ago