Bullshiter, part of Roswell UFO Museum spin for tourist dollars.What media is he talking about?It didn't make the papers until July 7.Rendlesham is a much better case.
A wonderful eyewitness account. All these older people that were part of the coverup are people to be listened to. Their stories are consistant, they all appear genuine and if not they are master B.S.ers and some of them even have impressive credentials. It is really to bad this incident happened in the U.S. Had it happened somewhere else, this matter may have come to a head.
@19531002-I believe that a craft crashed in Roswell, however I wish that some of these people who claim to have been there, would have been put on a LIE DETECTOR. Just to find out once and for all who is lying and who is telling the truth.
he said small eyes.. so all the alian pics on the net is completely fake.. if this guy is telling the truth. or maybe he cant really remember. i cant wait till we actually see them
SouringDuck ... they are not fake channels, they are our UFO network channels, we are allowed to have back-up channels too. As for the video, it is not stolen, it is in support of James Fox the creator of the documentary.
Souring Duck ... with more UFO debunker style drunk comments. As for Ace Bryan... People that know him personally have talked with us in our main UFO chat room called ACE BRYAN CENTRAL since Nov 1998. Ace Bryan Central is a Fan Site Network. And like Ace Bryan we fully support The Disclosure Project. We are also friends with most all of the VERY TOP UFO Researchers in the entire world in FaceBook. And Sir Gilligan Horry chats almost daily to the CIA and NSA in UseNet NewsGroups.
Look, I was friends with acebrian, and loved his work. he had more than 500 videos. Now this one guy,who has one video has oppened over 50 accounts and posted this one video on all of them. I simply asked him why he had big boobed women as the avitar for his accounts. He has used his accounts and atacked my site with constant negative ratings from each of his accounts. A total disrepect for youtube and the alien ufo community. Are you anouther one of his accounts?
wiggarigga, the many thumbs down indicate simply, there are so many close-minded UFO crazies around, who have already reached their highest plane of existence: Factual immunity. So all these people shouldn't wonder about, every thumb down delays further the disclosure process in US, since the government won't deal with UFO-crazies and other insane individues.
Very Good thank you. Frank is telling the truth. All he says is ..... "there was a craft" (not a balloon) .... and "there were bodies". ..... He doesn't waffle on about evil greys probing butts, and the NURSE also said the same things as Frank, she said they were little people just over five feet tall.
Thank you SteveBery for your excellent information.
Extraterrestrialz, the only problems with all these nice 'testimonies' (aka claims) is, they i) contradict mostly historical facts, ii) are not based on independent witnesses, but rather on circular testimonies, iii) not even a bolt of the 'craft' could be presented by private UFO investigators as a tangible proof. Remember, whenever a craft crashes, there are always remaining debris particles. No matter, how meticulously a crash-site is searched and cleaned.
Obviously, you have no idea, how debris looks like after a crash. Many people tried to find something at the alleged crash site with GPR and high sensitive metal detectors. They've found all possible and impossible things - but not one grain of a spacecraft.
who cares if people have, didn't you read my last comment? read it again, snort up some more of that coke you have cut up in front of you and then SHUT THE FUCK UP
wiggarigga, I've read your comment. However, your statement is a thoughtless quick conclusion (colported and parroted over and over again in UFO crazy circles), that has nothing to do with reality: If an airborne object crashes, there are microscopic particles in the soil too - you can't even see, but with contemporary metal detectors and GPR you can locate it. In 1947 no such device existed. So military couldn't clean the area without leaving back such particles. Sorry.
well first off I told you to shut the fuck up and you didn't, jackass. second, they probably DID have them in 1947 you don't know that they didn't have that back then, and how do you know where the crash actually was?, where are they testing and how do your experts know they are testing the right spot?
wiggarigga, I'm fully aware of the fact, UFO crazies want to silence me, since I belong to a very dangerous kind of people, who are able to mutilate their beliefs. Since terran people are such a primitive species, they want rather to believe then to aquire knowledge, lost of a belief is an incredibly painful experiance for them. Yes, the crash site is well known from Mac Brezel's first statements - up to USAF documents form the team who collected the MOGUL flight#4 remains from the site.
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Stvebery, I agree: He is just straight talking - lies. Remember, not one of these self proclaimed 'witnessess' ever could back up their claims - except by circular testimony (when one testifies a statemente of another - and vice versa). As far as we know the official USAF/GAO Roswell-report and the final report 'Roswell - case closed' are put together from verifyable historical facts. Only economic reasons prevent the myth to die its deserved death.
Straight talking truth, because I studied all the intelligence data fulltime for over ten years. ...... P.S. ... Read Google ... "Decide Whether We Should Show Up".
stevebery, LOL! It seems rather, you wasted 10 years of your life to study snake-oil. Real, classified intelligence data is not available for the public: Imagine, I decided to become a snake-oil salesman too. To set up my credibility (that thing conspiracy enthusiasts look for), I claimed to be a famous USAF Col. Then, I started to blow the whistle and UFO crazies boosted me into the state of a hero. The more fantastic my story would be, the more people bought it. A business that works.
10 years studying all of the UFO ET evidence intelligence data was the best thing I ever did. And proof of that are the rewards of finding youtube channels like this ...... "AlienScientist". .... and one of his videos called ...
stevebery, LOL! The user 'AlienScientist' belongs exactly to the category of people-fooling publishers, who spreads around all sorts of claims and pseudoscientific and/or out-of-context 'knowleledge', that sounds very impressive - but is absolutly meaningless. Of course, you can swallow all UFO-publications, but from that, you will became miseducated - and not educated. If you want to know the rel truth (yes, truth is graduable in UFOlogy), study physics or engineering.
I don't like the idea that some of these people broke their oaths. I think allowing knowlege of ETs visitors at the time would be crazy. I can see Marcell blurting it out over short wave to a couple of friends decades later can't you. Even though he broke his oath I can understand. Maybe when you get older and you gain some humility you will understand. No one is perfect and good people can have differt beliefs about their country, and how to honor it's ideals.
From the start you have always taken an insulting tone and that still continues but I'm a big guy so I'll let that pass.
Marcel doing an interview with Stanton Friedman is not blurting it out to a couple of friends. On-going interviews with numerous investigators is not blurting it out. It was done on purpose for why
What I can't let pass is you appear to be insinuating that anyone who says nothing happened at Roswell is a liar without. Surely as you get older you should know better
That is not how it happened and you know it. He blurted it out with some Ham Radio friends one happened speak to Stan. Marcel your right, he let the cat out of the bag and decided to clear his name for his son. If you hold a top secret you don't say I don't know,you say no. This is from my two scientist friends of 35 years at the Atomic Energy Commission. I am going to Peru tonight I will came back and edcuate you even more. At one time I beleived MJ12 I change my mind through research.
Again I say to you he gave the interview after he had bluted it out to some Ham Radio friends. Stan was giving a lecture at the station the host was late. Stan was talking to Sta. Man. when "flying saucers" was memtion he said his ham radio buddy "handeled some material from one of those" Maybe he want to go public so what, 3 decadeds and Aliens didn't evade. So maybe he thought this is something I can give to the country I really served.
They are not lying if they keep their oaths. That the difference between you and me. People like you are pure not like us complex people who may have some flaws. It doesn't matter to you that the Air Force has lost very important evidence given to them by witnesses Newhouse's film as just one example. For you this is all innocent.
PFC Harold Gerald: Commanding Officer announcement.".... If You know something keep mouth shut...if you don't you may find yourself at Leavenworth"
"Officer George Houck" drove the Low boy for retrieval of aircraft. Houck has never broke his oath about about what was under the tarp but has said."Some things should not be discussed"
Lt, Whalen Navigator:
...allot of people real scared and not talking. There were allot of planes taking off and landing in the middle of the night...Squadron meeting "Stay away from the big hanger no matter what...risk of being shot"
Lt. Rod Shirkey: "Unscheduled 2pm flight to Wright Field"
Aircraft Mechanic: "Officers kept asking what crashed,
John member 603 79:
everything was hush hush. We knew something was going on ...allot of planes were coming and going...the base went into lockdown..".
E. Helnes Pfc 603 78:
"it was definitely not a balloon...all the talk was of a crashed flying saucer right up until I left Roswell in 1949. The Miltiary used solders from different squadrons to stop story comparison thereby validation... they did that alot
Your blog about Schmitt's Redemption omits Randles' main reason for dropping his partner. To quote Randle
"He claimed that he had searched for the Roswell nurses but their records were all missing. That is not even close to the truth. The records, had he looked, were right where they should be."
I haven't quoted the whole open letter but you should have or at least paraphrased it. Without the full details of the split it makes the people you quote appear vindictive
You talk down ot this fine miltary officers like they are nonsense. They idea that men in duty may be torn by their oaths and duty to the country is not new. I honor the people who kept their oaths. You reduce them sir and I don't like it, have you ever served, if you did, you know how proficient the Airfoce can be. How highly trained they are. You belittle a person not because of his training but because of what he claims. Your not a nice person...glad i am not you
You insult the fine military officers by infering they are lying when they state repeatly that they nothing happened. This included the former B-29 air crew that Kent Jeffries met which convinced him that nothing happened at Roswell. The last five nurses, med centre head and so on. So who is lying
I'm glad I'm me and I'm a very nice person but I don't like being insulted by you from the very start of these posts. I have an insight into from your posts and blogs which shows you are bias
They are not lying if they keep their oaths. That the difference between you and me. People like you are pure not like us complex people who may have some flaws. It doesn't matter to you that the Air Force has lost very important evidence given to them by witnesses Newhouse's film as just one example. For you this is all innocent.
PFC Harold Gerald: Commanding Officer announcement.".... If You know something keep mouth shut...if you don't you may find yourself at Leavenworth"
Keeping you oath would mean "saying nothing" or "you can't remember" the truth is saying nothing happened. You are still accusing these personnel of lying but too scared to say it
I'll get back to you once I have a chance to check these names you finally got around to providing me. But looking at the quotes they are hardley very convincing.
But maybe thats the difference between you & me I'll do some checking while you appear to accept everythng you are told by the crash proponents
Ok I hear that you very intuitive and you look twice. I guess the rest of us haven't leaned that. You attack people's character by picking at character flaws instead of addressing why even a person without character, but was trained, could possible mistake balas wood balloons for a flying saucer. You are a neuron. You admit many reported the I beams were strong by saying it was the glue...:) what you don't mention is they used "sledge hammers".
Who came forward to say they used sledge hammers, as far as I know it come from a statement Mjr Marcel gave where he stated "I heard they used sledgehammers on it". So even he didn't see it happen.
And I'm not picking on character flaws I'm pointing out the discrepancies in their statements, events and contradictions.
Have you found the course syllabus that shows Marcel was taught what a RAWIN reflector was or are you just assuming it was part of the course
I have had 3 sighting 1 in the daytime and 2 at night.
In the daytime I saw a large silver cylinder flying through the sky, I was amazed but looked again and it was an airliner taking off seen exactly from the side with the sun glinting off the fuselage hiding the tail plane
In 1977, I saw a row of lights in the night sky at first I thought UFO then looked again and realised I was just seeing a row of portholes illuminated by the internal lights
Ok I hear that you very intuitive and you look twice. I guess the rest of us haven't leaned that. You attack people's character by picking at character flaws instead of addressing why even a person without character, but was trained, could possible mistake balas wood balloons for a flying saucer. You are a neuron. You admit many reported the I beams were strong by saying it was the glue...:) what you don't mention is they used "sledge hammers".
I had a daylight sightings. So I know first hand how people like yourself minimize and nit pick you way out of the facts. The facts are not even the civilians thought it was a weather balloon. Could you imagine what it would have look like in the dessert. Myth Buster challenged Schmitt and Cary to prove Rowell. They challenged Myth Buster to put a MOGUL type out in the desert and look at it in couple of days. Would any moron mistake it for a "flying Saucer" they never took them up On it.
Its not nitpicking, its finding major discrepancies in the stories and wanting information to clarify them. Sorry if that upsets you but its the way I was taught at school, college and at work. If you want to take these tales at face value then more fool you. All too often UFO believers ignore the "inconvenient facts"
Also remember the balloon had been in the desert for about 3 weeks (before Brazel took it into Roswell) not a couple of days but every investigator ignores this
I won't waste money buying the book but I take it that Darwin Rasnussen is meant to have recovered the "bodies" Who provided this info, was it a deathbed conversation or his cousin Elaine Vegh overhearing a conversation between him & her father
If this is the best evidence that investigators & supporters can come up with in 61¼ years then their easily satisfied
Why don't you investigate the Cash-Landrum incident a real unsolved mystery.
I had a daylight sightings. So I know first hand how people like yourself minimize and nit pick you way out of the facts. The facts are not even the civilians thought it was a weather balloon. Could you imagine what it would have look like in the dessert. Myth Buster challenged Schmitt and Cary to prove Rowell. They challenged Myth Buster to put a MOGUL type out in the desert and look at it in couple of days. Would any moron mistake it for a "flying Saucer" they never took them up On it.
I used to believe in UFOS but after almost 40 years of the classic cases being brought down by proper investigation there is only so many times that you van be taken in by it.
I am sorry if I keep challenging you but I have read quite a bit on the case and know both sides of the arguments. The only one that has sttod the test of time is Project Mogul.
Carey about told me we have tape recordings of 11 family memeber who did not know each other and they confirm their relatives, it was not a balloon it was a craft with bodies. Any qualified researcher can listen to the tapes and doc. Now when you get my age you will understand what that means to a person. The people who had everthing to loose were witnesses who came forward the rest were just keeping their oath and their pensions.
11 death bed confession incliuding Captain Darwin Rasmussen there at Roswell stated on his deathbed told family members "it was no weahter balloon Roswell was true and there were four bodies." Another death. Meyers Wahee a full blooded Commanche Pilot of Liberators "the Roswell incidents were true" "was in the plane with the bodies to Fort Worth" All these people were dying telling families not the press.
Brad Sparks proved the wind projectory was bogus an actuall lie.
The MOGUL explanations is stupid if ask me. Cavetti never once argued with anyone over going out 75 miles. Never stopped Marcel from going home with nothing more than "debris from a balloon. And you forget the most important thing of all. Secrecy. Not only do I believe they would lie but it was their oath to lie. General Exon said " Some of it was flimsy but was tougher than hell."
So some felt it was their duty to tell others no. Cavetti's wife said to Carey "he'll never tell"
11 death bed confession incliuding Captain Darwin Rasmussen there at Roswell stated on his deathbed told family members "it was no weahter balloon Roswell was true and there were four bodies." Another death bed. Meyers Wahee a full blooded Commanche Piolt of Liberators "the Roswell incidents were true" "fn the plane with the bodies to Fort Worth" All these people were dying telling families not the press.
Back to my original point, unless collaborated by independent witnesses you are relying of second hand witnesses, which in court is hearsay
Captain Myers Wahnee, according to Schmitt and Randle in 1999 was based in Roswell in 1947 and to Schmitt and Carey he was flown in as security officer. Which is true.
Also if he was flown in from Fort Simmons which appears to be a hospital not an Army base. Were the USAAF so desperate for men they dragged them out of hospital
Carey about told me we have tape recordings of 11 family memeber who did not know each other and they confirm their relatives, it was not a balloon it was a craft with bodies. Any qualified researcher can listen to the tapes and doc. Now when you get my age you will understand what that means to a person. The people who had everthing to loose were witnesses who came forward the rest were just keeping their oaths and their pensions.
"Why is Marcel Jr allowed to go talking about it and not silenced through takingaway his pension"
I agree with you losing of pension on this was a red hearing. It would be foolish and give credibility to what they were saying. But I think the Officers back then believed it and that is what matters. So that is not a real argument. But I just love where you focus on personalities instead of common sense. What ever you think they were were not idots we all take second looks.
Aircraft Mechanic: "Officers kept asking what crashed,
John member 603 79:
everything was hush hush. We knew something was going on ...allot of planes were coming and going...the base went into lockdown..".
E. Helnes Pfc 603 78:
"it was definitely not a balloon...all the talk was of a crashed flying saucer right up until I left Roswell in 1949. The Miltiary used solders from different squadrons to stop story comparison thereby validation... they did that alot
Marcel was so good... Army/Airforce intlligence school he was ask to join the staff a honor at the time. I am 65, in the fifties we used balsa wood instead of plastic to build modals. You can't mistake balsa wood. No one who examined the material talks about the string. What happened to tons of string. Brad Sparks just came accross a intel message; after the material was found it was discribe to Ramey his answered "it was strange" Wonder why they mistook all the other plain material found?
Still not answering my questions Jo? Have you found the course content yet, What about Bessie Brazel and Sheridan Cavett who were first hand witness & said it was only a balloon, are they liars? No one has shown them to be not even Schmitt.
The balsa wood was coated in PVC glue which when dried forms a shiny coating and gives additional strength
As for the debris when the train of balloon came down bits would break off, then the lightened balloon would rise up and drift off.
Good point about the sheep, Mac Brazel said that the balloon debris was there for 3 weeks before he took it to Roswell. So why do all the investigators insist that the crash was happened in July!!!
As the wreakage was only about 5lb at most and from the pictures mostly radar target (the majority of balloons being blown on as they lost some weight) and from my friend teh sheep farmer sheep don't eat silver foil.
What is a quarterback?? is it a support for the backseat?
Maj. Marcel, who you claim was so stupid he could spot a radar detector,( he went to his required school on weather objects and what was being released two weeks before) and even though they had to get Ramey down to discreet his "mistake"... he was not only promoted to Lt. Colonel, but had letters of recommendation from Ramey and Blanchard to boot. He remained chief intell. officer a year after Roswell. Read Brad Sparks On MOGUL wind projection hoax. Hoax Mathematics.
You said he was stupid I stated he didn't know what a rawin radar target was, they weren't used at Roswell
He was only promoted to Lt Col when he joined the reserves not for his work in the Air USAAF.
What were the commendations for? were they the the standard ones written that were given to any one . Blanchard couldn't even remember Marcel, he stated in Marcel's review "I don't personnally know this officer". So much for a major role inthe event of the century
Right after Vj day Marcel enrolled in radar school at Langley, Vergina where he studied advanced radar technology becoming an expert on state of the art radar devices including rawin radar targets, ML-307 used on Mogul devices. So much for your reading. Maybe you should take a look at why you think they were so stupid. Really I think i would have known a MOGUL was a baloon and ours if I found it. I think the microphone and dry cell bateries and Fm transmiter would have given it away.
How about you providing evidence that they studied RAWIN targets in the course? RAWIN were used for weather & would probably only be covered in the specialist course for meteorology. So how about you coming up with the course syllabus to prove me wrong. Unless you have the course content you cannot say what he was an expert in!
I won't get it, as every time I have asked you questions about the reliability of the witnesses I get no response or proof just bluster & evasion
We are using character attacks instead of answering the questions. I had asked him why the sheep hadn't eaten the MOGUL balloon. There were 28 reg. neoprene weather balloons attached to MOGUL. The sheep were trying to feed. They wouldn't cross the site. Sheep eat weather balloons, they were starving why didn't they eat the MOGUL. Even the sheep knew what you bright backseat quarterbacks didn't know it was not a balloon.
We are using character attacks instead of answering the questions. I had asked him why the sheep hadn't eaten the MOGUL balloon. There were 28 reg. neoprene weather balloons attached to MOGUL. The sheep were trying to feed. They wouldn't cross the site. Sheep eat weather balloons, they were starving why didn't they eat the MOGUL. Even the sheep knew what you bright backseat quarterbacks didn't know it was not a balloon.
Well you started the personnel attacks on me when I raised the issue about credibility of investigators & witnesses & it is quite right to point out discrepancies in witness statements, Investigation techniques & character. If you show they are untrustworthy then you don't believe anything else they say without independent corroboration
I want to know what documentation you have on this:
"Is the Major Marcel who lied about being a pilot, having 5 Air Medals, shooting down 5 enemy aircraft, having a bachelor's degree in physics, writing report President Truman read on the air declaring that Russia had exploded an atomic device"
This man record says he severed his country distinctly. If he is a liar I want to know.
If you knew the subject then you would know that his mistruths and exagerations were found when his interviews given to Stanton Friedman & others were checked against his service file by Robert G Todd.
I recommend that you expand your reading of Roswell information to include both sides of the argument
You insult the intelligence of Intel. Off. Maj Marcel, Rowell base commander and the sheep.
First place if you every get off you ass talked to some old ranchers sheep would eat those type balloons even MOGUL and in fact they choked on them it killed It seems the sheep are a little brighter than you are.
Marcel went to mandatory school for two wks before on every weather type balloons same off the shelf stuff. You insult the intelligence of these people and of myself.
Is the Major Marcel who lied about being a pilot, having 5 Air Medals, shooting down 5 enemy aircraft, having a bachelor's degree in physics, writing report President Truman read on the air declaring that Russia had exploded an atomic device.
How do you know he knew every type of weather baloon, he obviously didn't recognise a RADAR Target.
It seems that you don't seem to know a lot about the subject and never the questions about discredit key witnessed and numerous crash sites.
Part 2. So while others were chasing MJ12. Cary and Schmitt started to try and find the graduating class from Roswell. At times they were to late, but not for family members. The Roswell museum some stopped by. They recorded them on tape.
But let's talk about the "Self Righteous" people like you. The ones that have need to find perfection where it couldn't possibly be. Where witnesses only get in the way. I feel what Donald did just shows people can redeem themselves by their work
You still haven't answered how we can belive someone who at the very least is guilty of sloppy research and promoting the case that the goverment was hiding personnel files (when the actual files were eaily found by a reporter based in Hawaii in 3 days)
You may think that he should now be belived without question & that is your choice but his actions damaged Roswell & Ufology ever being taken seriously.
So good luck in your futile Roswell dreams I have found the answer & its MOGUL.
What terrible disgrace for Kevin? Kevin was investigating Roswell for God sakes. He is now and was and well respected in this field. In fact to many now, like yourself, he is a champion. So give me break. He went off to sulk like a child and then stated to rant on Roswell itself, abandoning the effort. Freidman was distracted by MJ12 and Roswell witnesses were dying. Schmitt told Cary no matter I did do we want that to happen?
In the first place Don indeed lied about his job. He apologized for it. I spoke to Carey who has done nothing wrong and he said to me... "Don was sorry for what he did and to make up for it he wanted to interview every last witnesses before they died. Carey and Schmitt spent the next ten years doing this. I wrote a Post called
"T he Unforgiving And The Redeemed"about people like you who and think everything is black and white. you have a lot of growing up to do.
Don was "sorry" for saying he couldn't find the nurses when he apprently had, "sorry" for lying to his long-term partner(who's reputation has suffered because of Schmitt)
Any Investigator in any field caught doing what he did, then their reputation would be in tatters and would never be beieved again.
The fact that he still works investigating Roswell says more about the UFO crash and the reputation of Ufololgy than I ever could
We don't need Kouffman. Now we have 11 deathbed confession from military officers that were there 11 all told their families befor they died that the "Roswell Crash" was a "spaceship" with little bodies of "little people..child size". People don't do that unless it true. By the way did you know that sheep will eat MOGUL balloons...they die but they eat them. I guess Brazil's sheep were smarter then most of the debunkers.
Were these death bed confessions verified by a independent witness or are we talking about second-hand witnesses again. How were the questions frames and what was the response, were the witnesses actually able to give statemenst as they were passing away.
I am still waiting for one credible witness to appear who can be belived that a ufo crashed (with bodies) at Roswell
You full of it but I will give you the info. "One credible witness" Recorded on Tape By Donald Schmitt and Cary in their book. "Witness To Roswell" some of them were MPs who guarded the bodies and the ship. It is interesting to note this book has been out two years. The tapes are available to other investitures no one is coming forward to discredit them. People like you considere men who served with distinction not-credible; Your disgraceful
Is this the Don Scmitt who: was caught doing shoddy research by an Omni Reporter about not being able to find the Roswell Nurses. (The reporter found their details and interveiwed the survivor in 3 days)
who was not quite honest about his background.
who's ex partner Kevin Randle said:
"That said, let me now point out that I do not now believe anything that Schmitt says and neither should you"
So lets just say I am not convinced by your response & you don't name the witness
Great stuff but I would cut Kauffman he was proven to be disinformation read Stanton Friedman on Kauffman. Great stuff I may use one on my blog and give credit of course.
Excellent !!!
JimsSpaceAgency 1 month ago
Bullshiter, part of Roswell UFO Museum spin for tourist dollars.What media is he talking about?It didn't make the papers until July 7.Rendlesham is a much better case.
edfeltch 2 months ago
@edfeltch What I don't understand, is why you are putting the 2 cases in competition?
And I wouldn't believe that these older people have anything to do with the tourist dollars coming into the town. lol
That's just lame.
Roswell produced a craft and occupants. Rendlsham produced a story, some trace evidence.
Why put these two in competition?
AzBirdDog 2 months ago
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Liar, liar, pants on fire.
nofooIn 7 months ago
thank you.
catandpiddle 8 months ago
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altin12 8 months ago
100th comment!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mack032010 9 months ago
A wonderful eyewitness account. All these older people that were part of the coverup are people to be listened to. Their stories are consistant, they all appear genuine and if not they are master B.S.ers and some of them even have impressive credentials. It is really to bad this incident happened in the U.S. Had it happened somewhere else, this matter may have come to a head.
19531002 1 year ago
@19531002-I believe that a craft crashed in Roswell, however I wish that some of these people who claim to have been there, would have been put on a LIE DETECTOR. Just to find out once and for all who is lying and who is telling the truth.
BLACKPUSSYPUNISHER 8 months ago
hands down thats one of the best testimonies ive ever seen.again corso was right.
robertdegiro 1 year ago
bull bull bull....."good looking people"? I think this one is full of it.
2010galaxy 2 years ago
he said small eyes.. so all the alian pics on the net is completely fake.. if this guy is telling the truth. or maybe he cant really remember. i cant wait till we actually see them
1337Wanderman 2 years ago
this would so funny if at the end, he bust out laughing, i was just kidding with you guys!!
zzzthaoster 2 years ago
100% TRUE.
MEWUKPRIDE 2 years ago
i believe this man!
ndkid86heart 2 years ago
Soaringman ... is Fred Carter and mentioned in Updates down the page at the "Project MotherShip" UFO website.
P.S.
5/5 Stars for Frank Kaufman.
UFODisclosureProject 2 years ago
SouringDuck ... they are not fake channels, they are our UFO network channels, we are allowed to have back-up channels too. As for the video, it is not stolen, it is in support of James Fox the creator of the documentary.
So, are you getting drunk again?
Go and fly your kites !!
HumanRemain 2 years ago 26
Well, as you can see, our UFO network is very dedicated to supporting The Disclosure Project
:)
Area51TopSecret 2 years ago 26
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Great vid, from a real UFO alien researcher
soaringman 2 years ago
Dear Frank, I absolutely love this good honest video.
... And ... ___ Earth Care Day !!!
AceBryanCentral 2 years ago 30
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soaringman 2 years ago
Souring Duck ... with more UFO debunker style drunk comments. As for Ace Bryan... People that know him personally have talked with us in our main UFO chat room called ACE BRYAN CENTRAL since Nov 1998. Ace Bryan Central is a Fan Site Network. And like Ace Bryan we fully support The Disclosure Project. We are also friends with most all of the VERY TOP UFO Researchers in the entire world in FaceBook. And Sir Gilligan Horry chats almost daily to the CIA and NSA in UseNet NewsGroups.
AltAlienResearch 2 years ago 28
Since Nov 2008 ... I meant. And anyway, Frank Kaufman was telling the truth. He's a good man. Support UFO Disclosure!!! 5/5
AltAlienResearch 2 years ago 25
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You are the cancer of the discloser
project. You have one stolen video and
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Check out all this person fake channels
SuperMoonmonkey 2 years ago
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SuperMoonmonkey 2 years ago
Look, I was friends with acebrian, and loved his work. he had more than 500 videos. Now this one guy,who has one video has oppened over 50 accounts and posted this one video on all of them. I simply asked him why he had big boobed women as the avitar for his accounts. He has used his accounts and atacked my site with constant negative ratings from each of his accounts. A total disrepect for youtube and the alien ufo community. Are you anouther one of his accounts?
soaringman 2 years ago
Oh , I see form the woman on your account and the same movie you are him.
When aliens come to clean the planet, you will be the first to go
soaringman 2 years ago
too real
jacksonpapier 2 years ago 3
its also funny notice how you have all those thumbs down on YOUR comment. lol I'm not alone here, stop bein a dick
wiggarigga 2 years ago
wiggarigga, the many thumbs down indicate simply, there are so many close-minded UFO crazies around, who have already reached their highest plane of existence: Factual immunity. So all these people shouldn't wonder about, every thumb down delays further the disclosure process in US, since the government won't deal with UFO-crazies and other insane individues.
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sacha4you 2 years ago
u dudes r mean...
EBEisMYhero 2 years ago 3
Very Good thank you. Frank is telling the truth. All he says is ..... "there was a craft" (not a balloon) .... and "there were bodies". ..... He doesn't waffle on about evil greys probing butts, and the NURSE also said the same things as Frank, she said they were little people just over five feet tall.
Thank you SteveBery for your excellent information.
Extraterrestrialz 3 years ago 3
Extraterrestrialz, the only problems with all these nice 'testimonies' (aka claims) is, they i) contradict mostly historical facts, ii) are not based on independent witnesses, but rather on circular testimonies, iii) not even a bolt of the 'craft' could be presented by private UFO investigators as a tangible proof. Remember, whenever a craft crashes, there are always remaining debris particles. No matter, how meticulously a crash-site is searched and cleaned.
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sacha4you 3 years ago
no not correct. they crawled shoulder to shoulder across the entire site to prevent ANY particals being left.
wiggarigga 2 years ago
wiggarigga, are you open minded or educated?
Obviously, you have no idea, how debris looks like after a crash. Many people tried to find something at the alleged crash site with GPR and high sensitive metal detectors. They've found all possible and impossible things - but not one grain of a spacecraft.
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sacha4you 2 years ago
who cares if people have, didn't you read my last comment? read it again, snort up some more of that coke you have cut up in front of you and then SHUT THE FUCK UP
wiggarigga 2 years ago
wiggarigga, I've read your comment. However, your statement is a thoughtless quick conclusion (colported and parroted over and over again in UFO crazy circles), that has nothing to do with reality: If an airborne object crashes, there are microscopic particles in the soil too - you can't even see, but with contemporary metal detectors and GPR you can locate it. In 1947 no such device existed. So military couldn't clean the area without leaving back such particles. Sorry.
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sacha4you 2 years ago
well first off I told you to shut the fuck up and you didn't, jackass. second, they probably DID have them in 1947 you don't know that they didn't have that back then, and how do you know where the crash actually was?, where are they testing and how do your experts know they are testing the right spot?
wiggarigga 2 years ago
wiggarigga, I'm fully aware of the fact, UFO crazies want to silence me, since I belong to a very dangerous kind of people, who are able to mutilate their beliefs. Since terran people are such a primitive species, they want rather to believe then to aquire knowledge, lost of a belief is an incredibly painful experiance for them. Yes, the crash site is well known from Mac Brezel's first statements - up to USAF documents form the team who collected the MOGUL flight#4 remains from the site.
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sacha4you 2 years ago
I always respected Frank Kaufman. He told no fancy tales. Just straight talking. Thanks very much for this video.
stevebery 3 years ago 3
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Stvebery, I agree: He is just straight talking - lies. Remember, not one of these self proclaimed 'witnessess' ever could back up their claims - except by circular testimony (when one testifies a statemente of another - and vice versa). As far as we know the official USAF/GAO Roswell-report and the final report 'Roswell - case closed' are put together from verifyable historical facts. Only economic reasons prevent the myth to die its deserved death.
Full stop.
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sacha4you 3 years ago
Straight talking truth, because I studied all the intelligence data fulltime for over ten years. ...... P.S. ... Read Google ... "Decide Whether We Should Show Up".
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stevebery 3 years ago 3
stevebery, LOL! It seems rather, you wasted 10 years of your life to study snake-oil. Real, classified intelligence data is not available for the public: Imagine, I decided to become a snake-oil salesman too. To set up my credibility (that thing conspiracy enthusiasts look for), I claimed to be a famous USAF Col. Then, I started to blow the whistle and UFO crazies boosted me into the state of a hero. The more fantastic my story would be, the more people bought it. A business that works.
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sacha4you 3 years ago
10 years studying all of the UFO ET evidence intelligence data was the best thing I ever did. And proof of that are the rewards of finding youtube channels like this ...... "AlienScientist". .... and one of his videos called ...
"Can You Handle The Truth?"
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stevebery 3 years ago
stevebery, LOL! The user 'AlienScientist' belongs exactly to the category of people-fooling publishers, who spreads around all sorts of claims and pseudoscientific and/or out-of-context 'knowleledge', that sounds very impressive - but is absolutly meaningless. Of course, you can swallow all UFO-publications, but from that, you will became miseducated - and not educated. If you want to know the rel truth (yes, truth is graduable in UFOlogy), study physics or engineering.
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sacha4you 3 years ago
what the Fuck are you all talking about !?
This man is telling the truth. you see that, how he does. thats just a fact. thats just the fuckin fact people!
RichwoodKing 3 years ago 6
I don't like the idea that some of these people broke their oaths. I think allowing knowlege of ETs visitors at the time would be crazy. I can see Marcell blurting it out over short wave to a couple of friends decades later can't you. Even though he broke his oath I can understand. Maybe when you get older and you gain some humility you will understand. No one is perfect and good people can have differt beliefs about their country, and how to honor it's ideals.
Joseph Capp
UFO Media Matters
jcappUfo 3 years ago
From the start you have always taken an insulting tone and that still continues but I'm a big guy so I'll let that pass.
Marcel doing an interview with Stanton Friedman is not blurting it out to a couple of friends. On-going interviews with numerous investigators is not blurting it out. It was done on purpose for why
What I can't let pass is you appear to be insinuating that anyone who says nothing happened at Roswell is a liar without. Surely as you get older you should know better
Ettrick8 3 years ago
That is not how it happened and you know it. He blurted it out with some Ham Radio friends one happened speak to Stan. Marcel your right, he let the cat out of the bag and decided to clear his name for his son. If you hold a top secret you don't say I don't know,you say no. This is from my two scientist friends of 35 years at the Atomic Energy Commission. I am going to Peru tonight I will came back and edcuate you even more. At one time I beleived MJ12 I change my mind through research.
joe c
jcappUfo 3 years ago
Again I say to you he gave the interview after he had bluted it out to some Ham Radio friends. Stan was giving a lecture at the station the host was late. Stan was talking to Sta. Man. when "flying saucers" was memtion he said his ham radio buddy "handeled some material from one of those" Maybe he want to go public so what, 3 decadeds and Aliens didn't evade. So maybe he thought this is something I can give to the country I really served.
bye for now
joe
jcappUfo 3 years ago
Speak to you when you get back have a safe and enjoyable trip
Ettrick8 3 years ago
Thanks and thank you for a spirtual conversaion. This message is from Peru.
Joe Capp
jcappUfo 3 years ago
They are not lying if they keep their oaths. That the difference between you and me. People like you are pure not like us complex people who may have some flaws. It doesn't matter to you that the Air Force has lost very important evidence given to them by witnesses Newhouse's film as just one example. For you this is all innocent.
PFC Harold Gerald: Commanding Officer announcement.".... If You know something keep mouth shut...if you don't you may find yourself at Leavenworth"
Joe Capp
UFOMM
jcappUfo 3 years ago
"Officer George Houck" drove the Low boy for retrieval of aircraft. Houck has never broke his oath about about what was under the tarp but has said."Some things should not be discussed"
Lt, Whalen Navigator:
...allot of people real scared and not talking. There were allot of planes taking off and landing in the middle of the night...Squadron meeting "Stay away from the big hanger no matter what...risk of being shot"
Lt. Rod Shirkey: "Unscheduled 2pm flight to Wright Field"
Joe Capp
UFO MM
jcappUfo 3 years ago
Earl Fullard 81,
Aircraft Mechanic: "Officers kept asking what crashed,
John member 603 79:
everything was hush hush. We knew something was going on ...allot of planes were coming and going...the base went into lockdown..".
E. Helnes Pfc 603 78:
"it was definitely not a balloon...all the talk was of a crashed flying saucer right up until I left Roswell in 1949. The Miltiary used solders from different squadrons to stop story comparison thereby validation... they did that alot
Joe Capp
jcappUfo 3 years ago
To JcappUfo
Your blog about Schmitt's Redemption omits Randles' main reason for dropping his partner. To quote Randle
"He claimed that he had searched for the Roswell nurses but their records were all missing. That is not even close to the truth. The records, had he looked, were right where they should be."
I haven't quoted the whole open letter but you should have or at least paraphrased it. Without the full details of the split it makes the people you quote appear vindictive
Ettrick8 3 years ago
You talk down ot this fine miltary officers like they are nonsense. They idea that men in duty may be torn by their oaths and duty to the country is not new. I honor the people who kept their oaths. You reduce them sir and I don't like it, have you ever served, if you did, you know how proficient the Airfoce can be. How highly trained they are. You belittle a person not because of his training but because of what he claims. Your not a nice person...glad i am not you
jc
Ufomm
jcappUfo 3 years ago
You insult the fine military officers by infering they are lying when they state repeatly that they nothing happened. This included the former B-29 air crew that Kent Jeffries met which convinced him that nothing happened at Roswell. The last five nurses, med centre head and so on. So who is lying
I'm glad I'm me and I'm a very nice person but I don't like being insulted by you from the very start of these posts. I have an insight into from your posts and blogs which shows you are bias
Ettrick8 3 years ago
They are not lying if they keep their oaths. That the difference between you and me. People like you are pure not like us complex people who may have some flaws. It doesn't matter to you that the Air Force has lost very important evidence given to them by witnesses Newhouse's film as just one example. For you this is all innocent.
PFC Harold Gerald: Commanding Officer announcement.".... If You know something keep mouth shut...if you don't you may find yourself at Leavenworth"
Joe Capp
UFOMM
jcappUfo 3 years ago
Keeping you oath would mean "saying nothing" or "you can't remember" the truth is saying nothing happened. You are still accusing these personnel of lying but too scared to say it
I'll get back to you once I have a chance to check these names you finally got around to providing me. But looking at the quotes they are hardley very convincing.
But maybe thats the difference between you & me I'll do some checking while you appear to accept everythng you are told by the crash proponents
Ettrick8 3 years ago
Ok I hear that you very intuitive and you look twice. I guess the rest of us haven't leaned that. You attack people's character by picking at character flaws instead of addressing why even a person without character, but was trained, could possible mistake balas wood balloons for a flying saucer. You are a neuron. You admit many reported the I beams were strong by saying it was the glue...:) what you don't mention is they used "sledge hammers".
filtering reports aren't we.
Joe Capp
UFOMM
jcappUfo 3 years ago
Who came forward to say they used sledge hammers, as far as I know it come from a statement Mjr Marcel gave where he stated "I heard they used sledgehammers on it". So even he didn't see it happen.
And I'm not picking on character flaws I'm pointing out the discrepancies in their statements, events and contradictions.
Have you found the course syllabus that shows Marcel was taught what a RAWIN reflector was or are you just assuming it was part of the course
Ettrick8 3 years ago
Jcappufo
I have had 3 sighting 1 in the daytime and 2 at night.
In the daytime I saw a large silver cylinder flying through the sky, I was amazed but looked again and it was an airliner taking off seen exactly from the side with the sun glinting off the fuselage hiding the tail plane
In 1977, I saw a row of lights in the night sky at first I thought UFO then looked again and realised I was just seeing a row of portholes illuminated by the internal lights
The third was Venus
Ettrick8 3 years ago
Ok I hear that you very intuitive and you look twice. I guess the rest of us haven't leaned that. You attack people's character by picking at character flaws instead of addressing why even a person without character, but was trained, could possible mistake balas wood balloons for a flying saucer. You are a neuron. You admit many reported the I beams were strong by saying it was the glue...:) what you don't mention is they used "sledge hammers".
filtering reports aren't we.
Joe Capp
UFOMM
jcappUfo 3 years ago
I had a daylight sightings. So I know first hand how people like yourself minimize and nit pick you way out of the facts. The facts are not even the civilians thought it was a weather balloon. Could you imagine what it would have look like in the dessert. Myth Buster challenged Schmitt and Cary to prove Rowell. They challenged Myth Buster to put a MOGUL type out in the desert and look at it in couple of days. Would any moron mistake it for a "flying Saucer" they never took them up On it.
J C
jcappUfo 3 years ago
Its not nitpicking, its finding major discrepancies in the stories and wanting information to clarify them. Sorry if that upsets you but its the way I was taught at school, college and at work. If you want to take these tales at face value then more fool you. All too often UFO believers ignore the "inconvenient facts"
Also remember the balloon had been in the desert for about 3 weeks (before Brazel took it into Roswell) not a couple of days but every investigator ignores this
Ettrick8 3 years ago
jcappufo
I won't waste money buying the book but I take it that Darwin Rasnussen is meant to have recovered the "bodies" Who provided this info, was it a deathbed conversation or his cousin Elaine Vegh overhearing a conversation between him & her father
If this is the best evidence that investigators & supporters can come up with in 61¼ years then their easily satisfied
Why don't you investigate the Cash-Landrum incident a real unsolved mystery.
Or is that too difficult
TTFN
Ettrick8 3 years ago
I had a daylight sightings. So I know first hand how people like yourself minimize and nit pick you way out of the facts. The facts are not even the civilians thought it was a weather balloon. Could you imagine what it would have look like in the dessert. Myth Buster challenged Schmitt and Cary to prove Rowell. They challenged Myth Buster to put a MOGUL type out in the desert and look at it in couple of days. Would any moron mistake it for a "flying Saucer" they never took them up On it.
J C
jcappUfo 3 years ago
Joe
I used to believe in UFOS but after almost 40 years of the classic cases being brought down by proper investigation there is only so many times that you van be taken in by it.
I am sorry if I keep challenging you but I have read quite a bit on the case and know both sides of the arguments. The only one that has sttod the test of time is Project Mogul.
Ettrick8 3 years ago
When you answer my questionsI wil answer you.
Carey about told me we have tape recordings of 11 family memeber who did not know each other and they confirm their relatives, it was not a balloon it was a craft with bodies. Any qualified researcher can listen to the tapes and doc. Now when you get my age you will understand what that means to a person. The people who had everthing to loose were witnesses who came forward the rest were just keeping their oath and their pensions.
Joe C
Ufomm
jcappUfo 3 years ago
Ertick8,
11 death bed confession incliuding Captain Darwin Rasmussen there at Roswell stated on his deathbed told family members "it was no weahter balloon Roswell was true and there were four bodies." Another death. Meyers Wahee a full blooded Commanche Pilot of Liberators "the Roswell incidents were true" "was in the plane with the bodies to Fort Worth" All these people were dying telling families not the press.
Brad Sparks proved the wind projectory was bogus an actuall lie.
JC
UFOMM
jcappUfo 3 years ago
Ertick8,
The MOGUL explanations is stupid if ask me. Cavetti never once argued with anyone over going out 75 miles. Never stopped Marcel from going home with nothing more than "debris from a balloon. And you forget the most important thing of all. Secrecy. Not only do I believe they would lie but it was their oath to lie. General Exon said " Some of it was flimsy but was tougher than hell."
So some felt it was their duty to tell others no. Cavetti's wife said to Carey "he'll never tell"
JC
jcappUfo 3 years ago
To jcapUFO
Provide a source for Marcel being asked to stay on at Intelligence school??
Please answer the following
Why
-are there 6 crash sites
-do the UFO community still believe discreditated witnesses (mostly the ones who started the alien body stories)
-does the UFO community so forgiving to discredited invistigators
-do the UFO community never believe the witnesses who cast doubt on the crash
-do the UFO community believe space ships are made of silver foil and sticks
Ettrick8 3 years ago
Ertick8,
11 death bed confession incliuding Captain Darwin Rasmussen there at Roswell stated on his deathbed told family members "it was no weahter balloon Roswell was true and there were four bodies." Another death bed. Meyers Wahee a full blooded Commanche Piolt of Liberators "the Roswell incidents were true" "fn the plane with the bodies to Fort Worth" All these people were dying telling families not the press.
jcappUfo 3 years ago
Back to my original point, unless collaborated by independent witnesses you are relying of second hand witnesses, which in court is hearsay
Captain Myers Wahnee, according to Schmitt and Randle in 1999 was based in Roswell in 1947 and to Schmitt and Carey he was flown in as security officer. Which is true.
Also if he was flown in from Fort Simmons which appears to be a hospital not an Army base. Were the USAAF so desperate for men they dragged them out of hospital
Ettrick8 3 years ago
When you answer my questionsI wil answer you.
Carey about told me we have tape recordings of 11 family memeber who did not know each other and they confirm their relatives, it was not a balloon it was a craft with bodies. Any qualified researcher can listen to the tapes and doc. Now when you get my age you will understand what that means to a person. The people who had everthing to loose were witnesses who came forward the rest were just keeping their oaths and their pensions.
Joe C
Ufomm
jcappUfo 3 years ago
Why wasn't Marcel (who blew the whistle) killed off or lose his pension removed
Why is Marcel Jr allowed to go talking about it and not silenced through takingaway his pension
Why did Glen Dennis live to a ripe old age and kept telling his story
Why is Frankie Rowe still alive after being threatened
Please name 1 person assassinated, losing their job or pension because of talking
What qualifications do you need for a researcher does Schmitt have them?
Why Haut he has 3 versions
Ettrick8 3 years ago
"Why is Marcel Jr allowed to go talking about it and not silenced through takingaway his pension"
I agree with you losing of pension on this was a red hearing. It would be foolish and give credibility to what they were saying. But I think the Officers back then believed it and that is what matters. So that is not a real argument. But I just love where you focus on personalities instead of common sense. What ever you think they were were not idots we all take second looks.
Joe Capp
UFOMM
jcappUfo 3 years ago
If its red herring then why did you mention it in the first place and then retract it!!
And for taking oaths then why did Marcel and the other witnesses blab, where was their loyalty to the Stars and Stripes.
Reread my posts my don't fogus on personalitys I deal with the facts as I see then, try it yourself its quire refreshing
Ettrick8 3 years ago
Earl Fullard 81,
Aircraft Mechanic: "Officers kept asking what crashed,
John member 603 79:
everything was hush hush. We knew something was going on ...allot of planes were coming and going...the base went into lockdown..".
E. Helnes Pfc 603 78:
"it was definitely not a balloon...all the talk was of a crashed flying saucer right up until I left Roswell in 1949. The Miltiary used solders from different squadrons to stop story comparison thereby validation... they did that alot
Joe Capp
jcappUfo 3 years ago
Marcel was so good... Army/Airforce intlligence school he was ask to join the staff a honor at the time. I am 65, in the fifties we used balsa wood instead of plastic to build modals. You can't mistake balsa wood. No one who examined the material talks about the string. What happened to tons of string. Brad Sparks just came accross a intel message; after the material was found it was discribe to Ramey his answered "it was strange" Wonder why they mistook all the other plain material found?
J
jcappUfo 3 years ago
Still not answering my questions Jo? Have you found the course content yet, What about Bessie Brazel and Sheridan Cavett who were first hand witness & said it was only a balloon, are they liars? No one has shown them to be not even Schmitt.
The balsa wood was coated in PVC glue which when dried forms a shiny coating and gives additional strength
As for the debris when the train of balloon came down bits would break off, then the lightened balloon would rise up and drift off.
QED
Ettrick8 3 years ago
To jcappUFo
Good point about the sheep, Mac Brazel said that the balloon debris was there for 3 weeks before he took it to Roswell. So why do all the investigators insist that the crash was happened in July!!!
As the wreakage was only about 5lb at most and from the pictures mostly radar target (the majority of balloons being blown on as they lost some weight) and from my friend teh sheep farmer sheep don't eat silver foil.
What is a quarterback?? is it a support for the backseat?
Ettrick8 3 years ago
Maj. Marcel, who you claim was so stupid he could spot a radar detector,( he went to his required school on weather objects and what was being released two weeks before) and even though they had to get Ramey down to discreet his "mistake"... he was not only promoted to Lt. Colonel, but had letters of recommendation from Ramey and Blanchard to boot. He remained chief intell. officer a year after Roswell. Read Brad Sparks On MOGUL wind projection hoax. Hoax Mathematics.
Joe Capp
UFO Media M.
jcappUfo 3 years ago
You said he was stupid I stated he didn't know what a rawin radar target was, they weren't used at Roswell
He was only promoted to Lt Col when he joined the reserves not for his work in the Air USAAF.
What were the commendations for? were they the the standard ones written that were given to any one . Blanchard couldn't even remember Marcel, he stated in Marcel's review "I don't personnally know this officer". So much for a major role inthe event of the century
Ettrick8 3 years ago
Right after Vj day Marcel enrolled in radar school at Langley, Vergina where he studied advanced radar technology becoming an expert on state of the art radar devices including rawin radar targets, ML-307 used on Mogul devices. So much for your reading. Maybe you should take a look at why you think they were so stupid. Really I think i would have known a MOGUL was a baloon and ours if I found it. I think the microphone and dry cell bateries and Fm transmiter would have given it away.
JC UFOMM
jcappUfo 3 years ago
How about you providing evidence that they studied RAWIN targets in the course? RAWIN were used for weather & would probably only be covered in the specialist course for meteorology. So how about you coming up with the course syllabus to prove me wrong. Unless you have the course content you cannot say what he was an expert in!
I won't get it, as every time I have asked you questions about the reliability of the witnesses I get no response or proof just bluster & evasion
Be seeing you
Ettrick8 3 years ago
ettrick8,
We are using character attacks instead of answering the questions. I had asked him why the sheep hadn't eaten the MOGUL balloon. There were 28 reg. neoprene weather balloons attached to MOGUL. The sheep were trying to feed. They wouldn't cross the site. Sheep eat weather balloons, they were starving why didn't they eat the MOGUL. Even the sheep knew what you bright backseat quarterbacks didn't know it was not a balloon.
Joe Capp
UFO Media Matters "The Certainty Principle"
jcappUfo 3 years ago
ettrick8,
We are using character attacks instead of answering the questions. I had asked him why the sheep hadn't eaten the MOGUL balloon. There were 28 reg. neoprene weather balloons attached to MOGUL. The sheep were trying to feed. They wouldn't cross the site. Sheep eat weather balloons, they were starving why didn't they eat the MOGUL. Even the sheep knew what you bright backseat quarterbacks didn't know it was not a balloon.
Joe Capp
UFO Media Matters "The Certainty Principle"
jcappUfo 3 years ago
Well you started the personnel attacks on me when I raised the issue about credibility of investigators & witnesses & it is quite right to point out discrepancies in witness statements, Investigation techniques & character. If you show they are untrustworthy then you don't believe anything else they say without independent corroboration
Ettrick8 3 years ago
Ettrick8,
Honestly
I want to know what documentation you have on this:
"Is the Major Marcel who lied about being a pilot, having 5 Air Medals, shooting down 5 enemy aircraft, having a bachelor's degree in physics, writing report President Truman read on the air declaring that Russia had exploded an atomic device"
This man record says he severed his country distinctly. If he is a liar I want to know.
Joe Capp
UFO Media Matters
Non-Commercial Blog
jcappUfo 3 years ago
If you knew the subject then you would know that his mistruths and exagerations were found when his interviews given to Stanton Friedman & others were checked against his service file by Robert G Todd.
I recommend that you expand your reading of Roswell information to include both sides of the argument
TTFN
Ettrick8 3 years ago
You insult the intelligence of Intel. Off. Maj Marcel, Rowell base commander and the sheep.
First place if you every get off you ass talked to some old ranchers sheep would eat those type balloons even MOGUL and in fact they choked on them it killed It seems the sheep are a little brighter than you are.
Marcel went to mandatory school for two wks before on every weather type balloons same off the shelf stuff. You insult the intelligence of these people and of myself.
Joe Capp
UFOMM
jcappUfo 3 years ago
Is the Major Marcel who lied about being a pilot, having 5 Air Medals, shooting down 5 enemy aircraft, having a bachelor's degree in physics, writing report President Truman read on the air declaring that Russia had exploded an atomic device.
How do you know he knew every type of weather baloon, he obviously didn't recognise a RADAR Target.
It seems that you don't seem to know a lot about the subject and never the questions about discredit key witnessed and numerous crash sites.
Ettrick8 3 years ago
Part 2. So while others were chasing MJ12. Cary and Schmitt started to try and find the graduating class from Roswell. At times they were to late, but not for family members. The Roswell museum some stopped by. They recorded them on tape.
But let's talk about the "Self Righteous" people like you. The ones that have need to find perfection where it couldn't possibly be. Where witnesses only get in the way. I feel what Donald did just shows people can redeem themselves by their work
JC
UFOMM
jcappUfo 3 years ago
You still haven't answered how we can belive someone who at the very least is guilty of sloppy research and promoting the case that the goverment was hiding personnel files (when the actual files were eaily found by a reporter based in Hawaii in 3 days)
You may think that he should now be belived without question & that is your choice but his actions damaged Roswell & Ufology ever being taken seriously.
So good luck in your futile Roswell dreams I have found the answer & its MOGUL.
Ettrick8 3 years ago
Eftrocl8
Part !
What terrible disgrace for Kevin? Kevin was investigating Roswell for God sakes. He is now and was and well respected in this field. In fact to many now, like yourself, he is a champion. So give me break. He went off to sulk like a child and then stated to rant on Roswell itself, abandoning the effort. Freidman was distracted by MJ12 and Roswell witnesses were dying. Schmitt told Cary no matter I did do we want that to happen?
JC
jcappUfo 3 years ago
In the first place Don indeed lied about his job. He apologized for it. I spoke to Carey who has done nothing wrong and he said to me... "Don was sorry for what he did and to make up for it he wanted to interview every last witnesses before they died. Carey and Schmitt spent the next ten years doing this. I wrote a Post called
"T he Unforgiving And The Redeemed"about people like you who and think everything is black and white. you have a lot of growing up to do.
Joe Capp
UFO Media Matters
jcappUfo 3 years ago
Don was "sorry" for saying he couldn't find the nurses when he apprently had, "sorry" for lying to his long-term partner(who's reputation has suffered because of Schmitt)
Any Investigator in any field caught doing what he did, then their reputation would be in tatters and would never be beieved again.
The fact that he still works investigating Roswell says more about the UFO crash and the reputation of Ufololgy than I ever could
Ettrick8 3 years ago
We don't need Kouffman. Now we have 11 deathbed confession from military officers that were there 11 all told their families befor they died that the "Roswell Crash" was a "spaceship" with little bodies of "little people..child size". People don't do that unless it true. By the way did you know that sheep will eat MOGUL balloons...they die but they eat them. I guess Brazil's sheep were smarter then most of the debunkers.
Joe Capp
UFO Media Matters
Non-Commercial
jcappUfo 3 years ago
Were these death bed confessions verified by a independent witness or are we talking about second-hand witnesses again. How were the questions frames and what was the response, were the witnesses actually able to give statemenst as they were passing away.
I am still waiting for one credible witness to appear who can be belived that a ufo crashed (with bodies) at Roswell
Ettrick8 3 years ago
You full of it but I will give you the info. "One credible witness" Recorded on Tape By Donald Schmitt and Cary in their book. "Witness To Roswell" some of them were MPs who guarded the bodies and the ship. It is interesting to note this book has been out two years. The tapes are available to other investitures no one is coming forward to discredit them. People like you considere men who served with distinction not-credible; Your disgraceful
Joe Capp
UFOMM
jcappUfo 3 years ago
Is this the Don Scmitt who: was caught doing shoddy research by an Omni Reporter about not being able to find the Roswell Nurses. (The reporter found their details and interveiwed the survivor in 3 days)
who was not quite honest about his background.
who's ex partner Kevin Randle said:
"That said, let me now point out that I do not now believe anything that Schmitt says and neither should you"
So lets just say I am not convinced by your response & you don't name the witness
Ettrick8 3 years ago
Bull! Quackery and more dis-inf!
MORCOPOLO0817 3 years ago
Thank you for the information!
astroman1109 3 years ago
Great stuff but I would cut Kauffman he was proven to be disinformation read Stanton Friedman on Kauffman. Great stuff I may use one on my blog and give credit of course.
JC
UFO Media Matters
Non-Commercial Blog
jcappUfo 3 years ago
Totall agree Kaufman has been shown to be a fraud
Ettrick8 3 years ago