An Interview with John MacArthur - Shepherd's Conference 2010

[rickw1100]

Like a cadaverous skull, MacArthur spews his ugly heresies through a pair of bad fitting dentures. Proverbs 19 :9.

[TheB1nary]

@rickw1100 When is the last time you ever preached that verse to your own heart? I doubt you ever have. Somehow I picture you sitting in your room spewing out your own lies and accusations whilst listening to new age music and smoking who knows what...oh wait a minute... :D

[rickw1100]

@TheB1nary Job 11 :12

[Gate2enter4life47]

If God was responsible for initiating that choice then this inspired scripture does not fit your doctrine. It is one that cannot mislead at all. It is perfectly plain. The individual is responsible alone for that choice. Again the choice is not good works salvation, its and act of faith in response to the call of God. If God commands everybody everywhere to repent, obedience is necessary for the gospel to affect any person who hears "whosoever will let them"!

[ChristianHopeVideos]

Act_13:46 But speaking boldly, Paul and Barnabas said, It was necessary for the Word of God to be spoken to you first. But since indeed you put it far from you and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the nations.

This verse if not any other proves you are in error!

[ChristianHopeVideos]

That's strange I posted this verse before but I see it has not appeared. You think that God is not willing that only the select special few do not perish. That all should come to repentance means a special group. Why sir did the command of the Disciples say "whosoever is Baptized" And the Spirit and the Bride and the hearers all say "whoever will" may come but your doctrine excludes the world to doom because you think God is responsible for their doom by election.

[rickw1100]

J.M. is the Devil's own.

[TheB1nary]

@rickw1100 pathetic statement!

[rickw1100]

@TheB1nary - A greedy charlatan is a greedy charlatan .Matt 24:11. Get over it..

[TheB1nary]

@rickw1100 Indeed :)

[rickw1100]

@TheB1nary Yes-indeed ! 2Corinthians 11: 13-15

[TheB1nary]

@rickw1100 Any evidence to back up your accusation? I am guessing you will have- at least I am hoping so.

[rickw1100]

@TheB1nary - Job 11:12.

[TheB1nary]

@rickw1100 lol k.

[rickw1100]

@TheB1nary Job 11:12.

[TheB1nary]

@rickw1100 Yeah- you said that already. That is NOT proof to back up your claim that MacArthur is a "greedy charlatan". So you have none. Sigh. Never mind- didn't think you would come up with anything ;)

[rickw1100]

@TheB1nary Job 11 :12.

[rickw1100]

@TheB1nary Job 11: 12.

[rickw1100]

@TheB1nary You're either too stupid or frightened to admit you are wrong. MacArthur preaches predestination. A heresy. I know its a big word-but look it up "you'll find your proof there".-.He then convinces the simple minded to give him money by frightening them with his false and corrupt teachings. He peddles lies to make money. That makes him a "charlatan", "Look it up" and keep "sighing'"- you'll be "sighing" with him in hell. MacArthur is the living embodiment of Matt.24:11.

[TheB1nary]

@rickw1100 I'm neither stupid nor frightened. I thought your true feelings would come out eventually :) Did you know that every Christian believes in predestination?

[rickw1100]

@TheB1nary LOL ! sorry, stupid it is. Predestination is a heresy and no Christian believes it because it negates the concept of human freedom.Human beings accept God not because they have to but because they freely choose to. All have an equal shot Therefore Salvation is open to all.. not a select few.- I suggest you actually study what Calvin's predestination is and why Christians reject it. It is both un-biblical , heretical, and stupid. Try buying a Bible. MacArthur = Matt.24:11

[TheB1nary]

@rickw1100 You assume lots of things in your vitriol- but I digress. Because of my stupidity (if it makes you feel more superior ;). You do indeed believe in predestination- Romans 8: 29- "For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son..." (ESV). That's in the Bible I already own. Calvinists believe in a gospel call for all (you don't understand Calvinism). And I'm not even Calvinist :D

[rickw1100]

@TheB1nary LOL! Sorry,stupid it still is. MacArthur has taught you well. You quote ONE verse out of context and build an entire false theology around it. Like MacArthur, you distort God's Word by ignoring the rest of Scripture.You obviously know nothing about Scripture, Calvinism, nor the Teachings of Christ. Vitriol indeed. Job 11:12.

[TheB1nary]

@rickw1100 The stupid it is. I haven't been "taught" by MacArthur. I live in the UK. I have my own pastors. I haven't quoted anything out of context but you simply don't have an answer- so you again attack the person (which isn't Scriptural) rather than the teaching. And your plank is hurting my eyes- you grab Job 11:12 (out of context for what you are saying given its original audience) and abuse hermeneutics to make a deceitful point. You poor man!!

[rickw1100]

@TheB1nary Then be taught by Jesus, you pathetic hypocrite. -Read John 3 :16. THAT is your "answer" to your "masters" doctrine of predestination. You and ole' Johnny boy are the"elect" eh? And the other of God's children are not eh? You are a modern day pharisee and you'll follow him into hell. Romans 16 :17-18. Poor man indeed !

[TheB1nary]

@rickw1100 I'm not sure if it's a language barrier- or else you just don't read: so I repeat myself: I am not a Calvinist. The "predestination" that I hold to is based on foreknowledge (so more Arminian than anything), not on a divine election (specific choice by God). What I am arguing against is your incessant need to chant people into hell (which you just did to me). You aren't God- you don't get to choose who goes to hell. I am "elect" in the sense that I am one whom God foreknew :)

[rickw1100]

@TheB1nary Job 11:12

[TheB1nary]

@rickw1100 Thought so.

[rickw1100]

@TheB1nary Job 11:12.

[rickw1100]

@TheB1nary- Job 11:12.

[LegacyoftheKings]

The bible and its lessons are a holy load of baloney. This "momentous" movement, much like Scientology, started with a little bit of faith, and once this man realized that many naive and gullible believers out there will donate and pay a considerable amount for him to spit shit out of his gob, he dug his hole so deep that a majority of Americans fell in with him.

The only bright aspect of religion is the encouragement it provides for people to act more righteously. The rest is crap.

[iMikeyLoveJesus]

I really don't know any other person that has such a brilliant mind when it comes to the Bible. He really teaches in an amazing way and just about any text he teaches he does an amazing job and anyone studying from him understands his teachings from the Bible. This is a wonderful thing because we should always be careful who we are opening our ears to when it comes to teachings from the Bible. I feel confident and the truth of God is easily revealed with a wonderful teacher like John.

[Gate2enter4life47]

I have a question for all Calvinists! If God willed men to go to hell by divine election, why did He say He is not willing that any should perish? Is God a liar? Another Question. If God only elected a special few, why did He tell the disciples whosoever believes and is baptized shall be saved, and whoever believes in Him shall not perish, God so loved the world that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish. Not only would you be spreading a lie you would by your notion be saying God lies?

[chrisvanbeekum]

@Gate2enter4life47

simple . when he is talking about not wanting any to perish , the context is he is talking about christians only.

and whoever believes will be saved. thats right . who ever becomes a believer will be saved. because God has called them .

[jfitguru]

I like John, I think he is a genuine article and a deep believer in GOD and Christ. However I think his perspective of the election is off. When the scriptures speak of the predestine and elect, it was reffering to the Jews and they or many of them, are they that will be the sons of the kingdom who will experience the weeping and nashing of teeth in the period of time in outer darkness. However this in no way take away ones walk with the Messiah.

[lawrence1009]

Question on what John MacArthur said on Hymns: Don't you thonk that worship songs need to be understood by who is singing them? Example, "I asked the people in our church what does this Hymns means". No one could answer me. I think contemporary worship songs are better understood. Please don't get me wrong, some old Hymns are great, but there is alot that need to be relooked at.

[rsoneill21]

What is the Spurgeon qoute?

[dogfacesoldier]

Johnny Mac is a True Man of Jehovah God and I am so grateful for his teaching of Biblical Christianity verse by verse. Y'SHUA STRONG!

[Noffy1111]

If you deny the gospel, if you deny the fact Christ died for all men then you are part of a heretical blasphemous cult.

You accused me of esogesis and yet it is you that places your own beliefs into the bible. Christ is the Savior of all men and your heretical views on total depravity in the capacity for we humans not to have the ability to make a decision goes against God and the gospel of Christ.

Get out of the Calvinistic cult while you can.

[oldno74]

@Noffy1111 Please, a cult!? Because I give all credit to God, I'm in a cult!? I praise God for my salvation, not myself. You give credit to man, I give it to God.

Do you believe in universalism, that everyone is saved? Because if Jesus is the sacrifice for the sins of the whole world as you see it (meaning every human that lived) no one goes to Hell. Do you see your error yet? The Bible teaches many go to Hell, so how did Jesus die for all the sins of every human?

[Noffy1111]

@oldno74 As a matter of fact I do not believe in universal salvation and the universalist's use that same scripture, but they, like you, fail to understand it.

As stated in 2 Peter 2:1 God bought (paid the price demanded by the law) with His blood the whole world even the false teachers.

The act of denial is what keeps a person bound for Hell. I gave verses stating exactly what scripture says. He died, shed His blood for the whole world, not just for the elect.

[oldno74]

@Noffy1111 You don't make any sense. Jesus did not suffer for people who go to hell!

Jude 3... to contend for the faith that was ONCE FOR ALL DELIVERED TO THE SAINTS. 4 For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were DESIGNATED for this condemnation, UNGODLY people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

Jesus came for the Saints, not for men who deny Jesus. Let Scripture interpret for you, then you will see.

[oldno74]

@Noffy1111 You don't make any sense. Jesus did not suffer for people who go to hell!

Jude 3... to contend for the faith that was ONCE FOR ALL DELIVERED TO THE SAINTS. 4 For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were DESIGNATED for this condemnation, UNGODLY people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

Jesus came for the Saints, not for men who deny Jesus. Let Scripture interpret for you, then you will see.

[Noffy1111]

@oldno74 2 Peter 2:1 says Christ bought the people that are false teachers and they denied Him to their own destruction. HE BOUGHT THEM. WHAT WAS THE PURCHASE PRICE? THE SHEDDING OF HIS BLOOD!!!!!!!!!

I will do a video today or the next and you can come and hash it out there.

[Noffy1111]

@oldno74 2 Peter 2:1 says Christ bought the people that are false teachers and they denied Him to their own destruction. HE BOUGHT THEM. WHAT WAS THE PURCHASE PRICE? THE SHEDDING OF HIS BLOOD!!!!!!!!!

I will do a video today or the next and you can come and hash it out there.

[Noffy1111]

@oldno74 2 Peter 2:1 says Christ bought the people that are false teachers and they denied Him to their own destruction. HE BOUGHT THEM. WHAT WAS THE PURCHASE PRICE? THE SHEDDING OF HIS BLOOD!!!!!!!!!

I will do a video today or the next and you can come and hash it out there.

[19sharp61]

@Noffy1111 lets look at this from another analogous angle. Jesus Christ has enough MONEY and RICHES to buy ALL the SLAVES(sinners) of the world! but the reality of this issue is He doesnt buy ALL the SLAVES, but only those SLAVES who understand their own INFINITE inability to purchase their own freedom.

[Noffy1111]

@19sharp61 Like i said watch my videos because you are teaching another gospel. 

[19sharp61]

@Noffy1111 since we are talking about an INFINITE gulf between God and men, of which NO mere man could traverse, only Jesus could be POWERFUL enough to bridge that gap. so the shed blood of Christ was INFINITELY POWERFUL(capable of being applied) enough to save ALL mankind BUT its ONLY effective (applied) for the ELECT! so in REAL essence its only the "beggars" that taste of the shed blood forgiveness of Christ!

[19sharp61]

@Noffy1111 you do know that there is a PARABLE that describes exactly what i wrote just a few minutes ago! i think you know EXACTY what paraple if which i am talking of! if not i could dirrect you to it!

[Noffy1111]

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

1 Peter 3:18 For Christ hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit

1 Timothy 4:10-11 Fore therefore we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God , who is the Savior of all men, specially of those that believe. These things command and teach

[oldno74]

@Noffy1111 Isa 13:11 "I will punish the WORLD for its evil". Who is the Lord talking about here?

Isa 13:7 "Therefore ALL hands will be feeble, and every human heart will melt."

Who is the ALL here?

My point is here God is talking about a particular people, the wicked or unsaved. No different than the verses you quoted. They are about a particular people, the saved or God's elect. I Pray that God opens your eyes to His Glory.

[Noffy1111]

@oldno74 1 John 2:2 And He is the PROPITIATION (bought with His Blood) for our sins: and not ours only, but also for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD.

Do you deny this obvious scripture? Your exegesis is WRONG

[oldno74]

@Noffy1111 I deny your interpretation. You can't assume "world", "all", "whole world", etc...., has the same meaning everywhere in Scripture, that is pure ignorance.

How about John 15:18 “If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you." Did Jesus mean the believers would hate them and Jesus? That would be foolish, Jesus must be talking about non believers, yet uses the word "world".

Who was John writing to? Jesus is not only for Jews, but Gentiles also (whole world).

[Noffy1111]

@oldno74 There is no private interpretation of scripture. It says what it means and means what it says. I need not assume anything because that is the literal reading of the text as in WHOLE WORLD.

There are other texts that say the same thing so that leaves us with a well founded doctrine.

John 3:16 For God so loved the WORLD He gave His only begotten son. Would you like me to list them for you?

[Noffy1111]

@oldno74 There is no private interpretation of scripture. It says what it means and means what it says. I need not assume anything because that is the literal reading of the text, as in, WHOLE WORLD.

There are other texts that say the same thin,g so that leaves us with a well founded doctrine.

John 3:16 For God so loved the WORLD He gave His only begotten son. Would you like me to list them for you?

[oldno74]

@Noffy1111 Hey I'm done. You won't change your view, I won't change mine. We are both followers of Christ so we have the most important thing in common.

God Bless and we will meet up again some day!

[Noffy1111]

This is utter heresy.

2 Peter 2:1 is very clear that Christ's blood even bought the false prophets. What condemned therm was THEIR lack of belief. To say Christ died for only a few is utter heresy. SHOCKING.

[oldno74]

@Noffy1111 What is utter heresy is to believe the lie that Jesus died for the vessel that was created for wrath. How would you explain that?

[Noffy1111]

@oldno74 Read the verse i cited it is very clear. Then read John 3:18.

It is very clear that Christ died FOR ALL but that it is conditional upon belief. I see you cited no scripture.

[oldno74]

@Noffy1111 For one, you can't eisegesis the text in 2 Peter 2:1 and say "bought" refers to the blood of Christ. Where else is it mentioned about people being bought. Dt. 32:6 "Is not He your Father who has bought you?" God bought, or in other translations, the word "created" is used.

Mat 1:21 21 She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save HIS people from their sins.”

The blood is for His sheep. His sheep hear his voice right? The goats don't and aren't covered.

[Noffy1111]

@oldno74 I ca only say WOW. You call what your doing study of scripture. I did not put my own views into this verse as you claim.

He shed His blood for the whole world but the act of denial of Christ is the act that is condemnation. Acts 20:28 does indeed speak of His blood as being what He paid for His church with.

John 3:16 says God loves the world He gave His only begotten son for it. Who did He give His son for? The world. True only those that will believe will be saved

[oldno74]

@Noffy1111 Why do you give man credit for believing when it is God who gives faith to man. Eph 2:8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast.

Do you deny this? It has nothing to do with you or me. It's all from God. You had nothing to do with your salvation. Rom 3 "no one who seeks God."

What about all the other nations in the Old Test that never had a chance to know God? Was God unjust?

[Noffy1111]

@oldno74 You miss read that verse. It says through Grace correct but the last part is teaching that faith is not a WORKS, our WORKS do not save us. Once we are approached by the gospel in that moment and time we will hear the truth and either believe or not but it also means a seed was planted. and another will come along and water it. Salvation is very much a choice.

As I said before 2 Peter 2:1 blows the heretical cult out of the water.

[oldno74]

@Noffy1111 The false teachers will even deny the truth about the Master (Jesus Christ) who bought them. Peter apparently uses the language of redemption (“bought them”) here in the same way that he describes the counterfeit “salvation” of the false teachers at the end of ch. 2: that is, they claimed to be “redeemed” and “saved” because they were part of the church, but their apostasy showed that they were not truly believers.

This verse does not prove your point. Nice try though.

[Noffy1111]

@oldno74 Do you know nothing about the Bride Price? Christ purchased His church with His BLOOD. His blood bought all the sinners of the world. That's what CONDEMNS a person REJECTING Or DENYING THE BLOOD SACRIFICE OF THE SAVIOR.

Your version has to be the worst exegeses I have ever seen and thus is the problem of the calvinist cult.

It is nothing more than scripture twisting.

[Noffy1111]

@oldno74 Very poor exegesis of 2 Peter 2:1

It says PLAINLY that Christ BOUGHT the false teachers. There is no forgiveness without the shedding of Blood. This is meant as only one thing. Christ dying in the cross and shedding His Holy and Precious Blood Paid the Blood Price as demanded by the Law. He bought the entire world with His Blood and bought the false teachers.

I gave verses proving this. What do you do with them? Are you going to twist them like you did with 2 Peter 2:1?

[oldno74]

@Noffy1111 Salvation is not a choice, it's a gift from God, you do nothing to earn it. Did Saul earn or choose salvation when he was persecuting Christians!? You give man to much credit. I praise God everyday for pulling me out of my wickedness. I did nothing to deserve it, in fact I don't deserve it. Praise God and His Glory.

[Noffy1111]

@oldno74 Salvation is 'A CHOICE' as evidenced by the false teachers denial of the blood that bought them in 2 Peter 2:1

The only way you can deny this is by changing the intent of the verse and twist it out of context.

CULT

[Noffy1111]

@oldno74 You should also know that the Bride of Christ was paid for by His blood. You Calvinists are reputed to be great and delving into exegesis and yet you fail to render a correct reading of 2 Peter 2:1

I see with my own eyes your twisting of scripture in your attempts to prove your own beliefs.

I bet you think God pushed Adam and Eve into the fall in the garden of Eden.

[oldno74]

@Noffy1111 When God asked Adam "where are you?" do you think God didn't know where Adam was? God knows everything, he even knew that Adam and Eve would be deceived. Nothing is hidden from God.

Jesus did not die for world meaning every single person to every live. He died for the sheep. Why do you think Jesus in John 17 prayed only for the disciples and those who will believe? Do you think God doesn't know who will believe? You really think God doesn't have the names written in the Book yet?

[Noffy1111]

@oldno74 There is a word that describes God as he talks to man on His level though I cannot remember it off the top of my head.

[moseslam1]

@Urara84 There is quite a difference to say that only the elect are given faith, than to say that Christ died only for them. The word *given* does imply election (and that is clearly biblical) but to say that it therefore implies limited atonement is not a correct logical conclusion. Christ can die for someone, but if they fail to believe, they won't be saved. The key here is *imputation*. Both sin, and righteousness is imputed. So Christ can die for someone, without having it imputed unto them.

[moseslam]

And the good news is, that Christ did indeed die for sinners. For *all*. This is a statement worthy of all acceptance. And now the gospel call becomes alive and real hope for everyone. And all who hear, believe, and receive this word of grace will be saved. Those who reject, have chosen their own path.

And one can tell the lost soul, with ALL sincerity of heart, with ALL love, and ALL compassion as Christ did, to trust in Him; His shed blood, for them on their behalf.

Now that's good news!

[moseslam]

Think about it: How do you tell someone to trust in Christ's *possible* death on the cross for them? What are they putting their faith in?! Certainly not in his blood shed on their behalf... if they are told it maybe wasn't on their behalf. It's absurd! By taking the position that Christ maybe didn't die for them, they have NO HOPE. In fact, you won't either. Saving faith is trusting Christ's atoning work on their behalf - and one can only claim that, if they know it indeed was done for them.

[moseslam]

Quote: "The electing element (if you will) is faith"

Scripture and verse please, to substantiate this assertion.

Reply: All the gospels (Matt, Mark, Luke, John) testify to this. The call was to repent and believe. It was a call to belief. And every account in the gospels shows how saving faith.. saved. Only the elect come to faith. Believers (with faith) are saved. Unbeliever's aren't. The difference is faith. Not if blood was shed for them.

Thus, the gospel is indeed good news for all.

[naomidavelaar]

Romans 3:9 What then? Are we better than they? Not at all; for we have already charged that both Jews and Greeks are all under sin; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, Titus 1:4 To Titus, my true child in a common FAITH GRACE and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Savior.

John 17:20 "I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word;

[PropheticVindicator]

"Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified." - Romans 8:30

"What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction." - Romans 9:22

[PropheticVindicator]

And "foreknew" in Romans 8:29 uses the same Greek word that is used in the following verse, proginosko, which means in context, "of those whom God predestined to salvation."

So "foreknew" in Romans 8:29 does NOT mean that God saw the future. The grammatical structure also reveals that it is an ACTIVE verb, or something that God is doing.

My conclusion: Using proper exegesis, it is proven that we were predestined to salvation before any other action such as free will, faith, etc.

[PropheticVindicator]

However, a true Calvinist does not believe we have "no free will". We just believe it is limited due to sin.

Although I dislike using the term "Calvinist", because I don't identify myself with a man or religious dogma. I just believe in CORRECT doctrine.

[naomidavelaar]

moseslam is right

Rather, I believe that Christ DID die for all. BUT the saving element is FAITH not, whether blood was shed for them.

[moseslam]

To say that Christ did not die for all, is not consistent with the whole canon of scripture. It shuts the door on faith, when it shouldn't. And it causes people to greatly misunderstand and err.

I think this is the danger of those words.

1 Cor 15 Christ came and died for sinners. And we are all sinners. It is by grace, however, that one will "see" this, and repent of sin, and righteousness, and unbelief, and put their FAITH/ TRUST in Christ.

[PropheticVindicator]

Does it say "all" sinners? Calvinism remains the most consistent doctrine throughout all of Scripture.

Christ's death is offered and sufficient for everyone, but the fact remains that only a select few will respond. The Bible says repentance is a gift, and so is faith. A dead man cannot revive himself. It's simple logic, and evident throughout Scripture.

The Arminian doctrine is not consistent because it has an erroneous gap, which makes it seem that God is relying on our decision.

[PropheticVindicator]

Um, no it doesn't shut the door on faith, because faith is a gift to begin with. What you need to understand is that the gospel begins with GOD, and not man. Yes, we are given free will to respond and follow Christ, but the Bible says we are dead in our trespasses and sins.

The problem is that a lot of people have false preconceived ideas about election. Just because God chose a select few, doesn't mean He doesn't give EVERYONE a chance to be saved.

Who is righteous? No, not one.

[moseslam]

If you look through all the gospels, Jesus speaks repeatedly about FAITH. The electing element (if you will) is faith, not if blood was shed for them. Blood was shed for all, but the elect, are those quickened with faith (a gift of God).

The parallel in the OT is the bronze snake. It was given to all, was it not? Yet not all were saved. Only those who "looked to the serpent" was saved. Likewise, only those who "look to the cross" will be saved.

[PropheticVindicator]

"The electing element (if you will) is faith"

Scripture and verse please, to substantiate this assertion.

Nowhere in the Bible does it say that faith "elects" you. Election comes before faith as outlined in Romans 8:29-30.

[moseslam]

The trap I believe alot of people are falling into is saying that Christ did not die for all. I used to believe this until I fell completely apart, wondering what was my faith hinging on- did Christ die for me or not? And how do I tell? But I'm seeing now that this is all wrong.

Rather, I believe that Christ DID die for all. BUT the saving element is FAITH not, whether blood was shed for them.

[PropheticVindicator]

You must know the doctrine of regeneration to know if you are saved or not. If you examine yourself as the Scriptures say, then you can have great assurance of your salvation. This does not conflict with the doctrines of election, but merges nicely with it. I see no valid argument here.

Also, "elect" doesn't mean "saved". There are God's elect out there who haven't been saved yet, and as the Bible says, "Faith cometh by hearing." God uses the gospel message so the elect will hear and respond.

[215phoneman]

YES! YES! YES!......thank you for that answer Buruc.

[JTsubconscious8]

For I have given them the words that you gave me, and they have received them and have come to know in truth that I came from you; and they have believed that you sent me. I am praying for them. I am not praying for the world but for those whom you have given me, for they are yours. All mine are yours, and yours are mine, and I am glorified in them. "

John 17:6-10 (ESV)

[naomidavelaar]

Jesus died for the sins of the world for whoever believes but those who perish choose with free wil not to believe and made God out to be a liar.. god rejoices not over destroyin the wicked but they choose by not believin and rejected the lord their only savior so they shal die in their sins there is no one left to save them GOD IS JUST and GOOD hell is for those who did not believe so they cant be saved for it is true faith by the grace of god one is saved __ GOD WANTS NO ONE TO PERISH

[4570sharps]

@naomidavelaar Exactly who Jesus died for is a great biblical & theological question to ask & debate. We can also have a wonderful biblical discussion about what God wants or desires with regard to all men BUT, while men do choose & do have a will, absolutely nowhere in scripture r u going to find support for man's 'free' will. He has no autonomous will. Men are slaves to their nature & have already been judged in Adam.

[Urara84]

My Christian heritage is that of a Pentecostal and therefore quite a bit of what I heard here was interesting.

I love the honesty and transparency of John MacArthur in answering all the questions. There is no lying in that the deep questions of soteriology are very mysterious and therefore hard to answer.

I especially love the point he makes - "You do not want to answer that tension with philosophical questions. You always want to live in that tension by being obedient to scripture."

[krisv001]

Nice ! Good interview !

[Heismightytosaveyou]

Lovely, Pastor John is such a blessing! He's right, we should not always try to beat people down with our theological views right away, just to be 'right'. Instead 'love their socks off', and earn their trust, wonderful.

[MustardSeedish]

I'm so blessed that my elders come from his seminary and attend this event every year. He has been a solid voice of reason during these wishy washy times.

[martygough]

I think a little bit of respect is called for, he is a Elder of the Lord, who has served without compromise for over 50 years, the lack of the fear of the Lord is so evident, it is not easy to speak as he does and to stand up for truth, lets support him instead of picking holes!

[dazmandawson]

@martygough Agreed, Anyone who has fruit like John MacArthur can cast the first argument, If not examine your own life, then submit to the "Real work" of sharing the Gospel. Let God Examine our lives, not us examine each other.

[DallasNeedsADentist]

@martygough - Amen!

[RenegadeMaster07]

actually that is what it says in galations 2:20 in the KJV. but then continues to say "but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me."

but he's just making a joke. It's not a memory problem.

[LyndaP31]

at around 8:40 he acts like Christ only died for certain people. He doesnt talk about that you have to accept that to be saved. it is NOT double jeopardy.

[LyndaP31]

Can anyone please explain to me what this means? Mabe I am just not hearing him right?

[the13thof12]

Hi Lynda,

That is what he means. I think it's a more biblical idea to tell people to repent, and believe, rather than to accept. That is Dr. MacArthur's stance as well.

[Urara84]

For LyndaP31

If I understand him right, his train of thought is that if Jesus indeed paid the price for all sinners, why are there those that still have to go to hell? Isn't their price already paid for and therefore they do not have to go to hell? For if they still go to hell for a price already paid, that would be double jeopardy.

I neither espouse it nor deny it, but it is something worth wrestling with... like John MacArthur says, the dilemma is not an easy one to answer.

[moseslam]

I think there IS a clear answer. I personally wrestled with this for 4 years and I see now that there is a proper reconciliation - namely, Christ did die for everyone, but that does NOT mean they all get saved. Rather, blood was shed (avail) for them. John says that leaves it to the depraved sinner to activate - but that is a wrong conclusion. The depraved sinner, by God's grace, is given FAITH - that is the key element. Hence, Eph 2. And the blood is applied by faith to the heart, by the H.S.

[PropheticVindicator]

"As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep." - John 10:15

"No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day." - John 6:44

"According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love." - Ephesians 1:4

"There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God." - Romans 3:11

[PropheticVindicator]

You must understand that we all deserve to be burning in Hell right now. Imagine a group of people running towards the edge of a cliff. God intervenes, choosing to save some, and the rest get what they rightfully deserve. That doesn't make Him evil, but merciful, and loving. Who are we to question God's ways? If you are saved, you're only saved because God made it possible for you to be receptive to the gospel.

You keep mentioning faith, but you can't start there. It begins with God first.

[PropheticVindicator]

Also, God is mighty to save. You can't have it both ways and say that God won't fail to save those whom He wishes, and then say that your decision to come to Him is the only thing YOU have to do, and God does the rest. That's a contradiction.

God doesn't fail to save, and like Israel, God has a remnant that He is gathering up by the preaching of the gospel. It is consistent with the Old Testament, and as the Bible says, God is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

[Urara84]

@moseslam

Even in taking your line of thought - "The depraved sinner, by God's grace, is given FAITH - that is the key element" - you're espousing Calvinistic thought about salvation, saying that it is not so much the free will of the believer that enables them to be saved, but that by God's grace, the sinner is *given* faith to activate the grace. Just the word *given* suggests election and therefore limited atonement. That it is God who *gives*, that it is God who decides.