Muay Thai vs Aikido Sparring at Open Martial Arts Meetup

[liogsilva]

Isso nunca foi nem nunca sera aikido!

[papeldobrado]

the mt guy could deliver some nice kicks, but he should work his timing and speed. the aikidoka kicked too much without having enough proficiency to do so, could have been knocked down quite many times, and didnt use any particular aikido technique to be honest. he was quite slow and lacked explosion and power, but thats somehow understandable since he was just sparring with a friend. still, cheers for you guys for having fun together, hopefuly you can improve your techniques each day.

[modernhhc]

OK so here is a constructive critique: one will only get proficient at their art in real fighting situation if they apply it in that context. So, if you are cross training and your art isn’t working as you train it, you need to find a way to make it work. In the spirit in which you are training/cross training in this video a aikido (or insert any art) practitioner should be trying to apply aikido (or any other art) to a non-aikido (or any other art) training combatant/partner.

[jsngill]

I seriously doubt the guy in blue trains in Aikido. If so, he must be a beginner. No economy of movement, no blending, and no moving off the line of attack (he stands in front of it the entire time!) At 2:22 onward he has perfect opportunity for kaitenage throw, but he is so off center he can do nothing. Poor example of aikido student IMO. Good concept though with sharing of martial techniques. Keep it up!

[Taskmaster300]

Where is the akido guy.

I was expecting an aikido dude in a hakama walking in there und throw them all over the place. mweeehhhh i am disapointed.

[imreadydoctor]

looks like a fun time! It's SO hard to find a group that is wiling to mess around and experiment. I usually find either ppl are afraid to spar, and just curl up like a turtle, or ppl who want to take my head off. My advice: keep doing what you're doing, you'll get better and really enjoy what you do!

[patternweld]

Some of the movement by the aikido guy looks like an attempt at savate, although a sort of o horrible parody. Weight on back leg, floating the front, etc. Probably not intentional, and the footwork did not look good enough for someone who has had much boxing of whatever type. Seems like the muay thai guy could have just shoved him over. A clinch by the muay thai guy would have been interesting, would allow the aikidoka to get some kind of grip, use energy or circular motion.

[patternweld]

@patternweld yes i saw the clinch at the end, little to late for a reaction.

[debtbully3]

How can you attack as the aikido person?I mean you can but thats not the point.Omg! Stop please.

[sanddocon]

damme akido really sucks its seen? how long you been doing it

n why is the brother wearing a neck lace u could have use it to choke him

out? any way thai boxing look more use full is it because he been doing it long?

[iApna]

What the hell is that guy in the blue shirt doing?! Although I'm not someone who endorses beating up on newbies. But he really needs to be put on his ass for dancing around like a fairy. Dropping his hands, crossing his feet, waving around his arms. Sometimes the only medicine is a good beating.

This clip here shows some friendly sparring after a couple of minutes of Thai-pad work.

/watch?v=Lx4WeGm08Pk

No running, good control, 50% power, good use of technique, setting up strikes, etc

[puffpuffpass87]

this is beautiful. i do this with all my friends who practice one system of self defense or another, which in my group entails Krav Maga, Kung Fu, Karate, Kickboxing and more. so not only do I learn about yourself and my primary system (Kung Fu), the variety of opponents gets me used to different styles and various body types. good for you gentlemen. i would train with you all anytime!

[torqueup74]

outcome is easy...Thai stance is fluid and safe and allows you spend few energy, istantly evaluate attack and retreat, return hits and strike the weak opponent points.

[Yulrath]

Interesting concept...My main issue with this is that Aikido is supposed to be purely defensive. So to circle and be the aggressor in this situation takes Aikido out of context. I feel like the best thing to do is to lure an attacker to come in too fast in this scenario (by moving away.) These circling, controlled matches really don't give a clear idea of the potential of Aikido. I am unfamiliar with Muay Thai, so I have no comment on that side. Just a thought, though--Keep up the experimenting.

[madeku]

love the concept, people freely training for the betterment of their own martial experience. used to be in a club like that a few years back.. gotta say the fellow in blue danced around to much, waste of energy. the MT guy moves more naturally and relaxed in his footwork. the body was designed to step, not bounce and backpeddle. circling is good but mainly to get offline and attack or counter, not pace around the person. just constructive criticizm

[ocopenmartialarts]

@madeku - Yea, we think it's pretty cool too :) Self-discovery without having to beat each other's brains out. As you can see, one doesn't need to win or lose in order to see the areas they can improve.

[ComicBookGo]

Bruce Lee would appreciate this attitude of open martial arts and of course the idea of sparring. Bruce would think u should sparr a little heavier but do so with close friends or colleagues so theirs no confused signals or hard feelings.

I think the guy in blue needs better defense, and also he has lousy footwork, I think jump rope very hard would really help. Other muay Thai guy has to learn to retreat his kik alot fiercer and practice the front kick. His front kick wud be devastating

[ocopenmartialarts]

@ComicBookGo MT guy can kick hard. We have other videos in this channel where he spars 'hard' under the playlist, 'BEST MATCHES TO WATCH'

[ocopenmartialarts]

@mnhugh - Don't be a "troll". Your "name-calling" comments are non-constructive.

[gjoebeck]

are there any groups like this in the bay area?

[ocopenmartialarts]

@gjoebeck - don't know. you can try checking meetup.com

[AlekseiDemidov]

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[HomasterX]

another issue is the guy in the blue is afraid to close in for any of the major aikido throws, that's the other major issue.

[AtheistMonster]

@HomasterX

Can you blame him? He is completely out of his element and traditional throws would not work in that situation, the hands are constantly retreating and the opponent is keeping him at a relatively safe distance. He could have taken initiative on the legs that he caught but that would have been unsportsman-like tipping a man on his head in a sparring match and would have ultimately lead to a REAL ass beating.

[HomasterX]

@AtheistMonster I don't blame him but it must have directly linked to the way he trained that he never had any real "combat" experience, he only used his aikido on other fellow aikido students who train under controlled environment, catching jabs is very difficult

[AtheistMonster]

@HomasterX

I agree.

But Muay Thai punches are often times difficult to anticipate and are in general just not very easy to setup for any kind of throw. He really should have taken advantage of those "fairy" kicks though.

[HomasterX]

@AtheistMonster if the hands are retreating thats why the throws they train should work, if they were drilled to catch punches to throw people, divide, or anything of that sort, that was not seen at all in this clip, it's not like he did anything remotely steven seagull or anything.

[HomasterX]

and in aikido you certainly don't dance around like a fairy either, if kept to the stances, there should have been so much more throws, I didn't see a single nikiyo or not even a sihon tenchinage.

[HomasterX]

here's a suggestion, both people learn 2 more martial arts, then it becomes a MMA thing to simulate real combat, it is clear that the muay thai man has good striking and defense, but unable to handle getting his leg grabbed, but the aikido guy is incapable of striking, (keeping within the same realm) if the aikido guy learns some kyokushin karate, he'll be able to strike competently. if both learns jiu jitsu the story will be very different

[rey024]

hehe good job black guy on not destroying tiny white woman

[ocopenmartialarts]

@rey024 - What's the benefit of "name calling?"

[rey024]

@ocopenmartialarts none whatsoever

[ocopenmartialarts]

@rey024 Well, we should encourage these guys to do better, rather than ridicule. Honest criticism is fine, but "name calling" simply brings more "trolls" into the discussion.

[wingchun1993]

hahahaha



[olamprov]

What the hell???

[bsoulski]

why are you breaking posture? 80|20 60|40 which ever you one you go by.. stick with it. quick moving. let the attack come to you.

[ocopenmartialarts]

@bsoulski, Thx for the constructive contribution. I don't know what 80|20 60|40 means but I presume an Aikido practitioner would.

[TheProsecuter]

@ocopenmartialarts It refers to the amount of body weight you place on your front and back foot.

[ratchadapalazzo]

aikido??

[xxhavoxx]

Very interesting.. keep it up and keep posting up more videos, Thanks

[0713mas]

Blast him with a real leg kick please! What's the full cage face mask for if your going so light?

[toddymo]

It's a tuffy...you seem to have a lot of comments from people who are clear experts. I'm happy to add if you think it will help. With a disparate pairing like this? So much depends on it. I am dismayed by the fact that our friend in aikido is getting owned and decides to "teach." After 26 years and having trained hundreds of fighters and field agents, I see this far too often. Best of luck to them both.

[ocopenmartialarts]

GUYS, PLEASE READ THE VIDEO DESCRIPTION. People from different systems come to share, experiment and try things out. WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT? So what if it doesn't look pure Aikido or that Aikido doesn't spar. It's about the practitioner, not the art, so give him advice on improving rather than just saying that aikido don't spar. What is wrong with trying out things to make your base system work? That should be encouraged, if anything.

[mistergrim1990]

@ocopenmartialarts ok criticism is perfectly fine as long its based on improvement, personally i practice Aikido. Aikido is a defensive form not offensive, you are meant to use ur opponents weight against them so for the man in the video who practices aikido he should focus on blocking and grappling more like in 1:08 which was a good grab but he should have pulled his enemy towards him or lifted the leg up higher to do a drop like in 1:40 but dat was luck, either way it was a good amateur fight.

[ocopenmartialarts]

@mistergrim1990, Thx for the constructive analysis. As you can tell, this is a friendly spar so I wouldn't even categorize it as an "amateur fight," but I get your point.

[duhhuhduh]

@ocopenmartialarts I saw a guy not doing any aikido he should probably take a muay thai class if he's going to do mambi pambit sparring with a guy that seems to be holding back so much he's not really getting anything out of it.

[ocopenmartialarts]

@duhhuhduh, Not doing "ANY" aikido or just not to someone's standards? These guys are just doing a friendly spar, and not to show who's the most "bad ass." This video was probably the first time they sparred with each other, not including the first time meeting each other. Would you come to a meetup like this and just show everyone you are the most "bad ass" so no one wants to spar w/ you. What is to be learned by doing that?

[leptiric51]

in video is no aikido and aikido is for self defense and not for sparing :D nice joke in aikido sparing DON'T EXIST

[kitkat39]

@leptiric51 If it doesn't exist, and you just witnessed it exist with your own eyes, then perhaps you just witnessed history in the making. :-)

[BonezProductionz]

I am sure that guy has been doing aikido for about 2 months.. Get someone more experienced.

[ocopenmartialarts]

@BonezProductionz - Do you have a video that you could share with us that demonstrates a 'good' Aikido practitioner sparring a 'good' Muay Thai practitioner? People in our group is trying to learn so if you have a video to share, that would be helpful.

[BonezProductionz]

@ocopenmartialarts No I dont, not yet anyway. Not saying that a good aikidoka will win, just saying this guy doesn't have a clue of what he is doing. The thing about different martial arts is simply, all are different..you can't put a boxer in the mma, he'll lose and you cant put a mma fighter in a boxing ring..Simple as that. Aikido is self defense, for real life situations were if someone threatens you by grabbing you or swinging a knife.

[BonezProductionz]

@BonezProductionz Aikido isn't for fighting, just self defense,a good cardio workout and if practiced for a very long time very good for grappling, similar to judo. I see people always arguing about this type of stuff, get over it..Like I said you can't compete against these types of martial arts, it isn't fair. You want to prove you can fight someone, get in the UFC and do it there..

[scarred10]

@BonezProductionz its defeinitely useless for cardio and under no circumsatneces worth anything for grappling,only combat sports are good for grappling.

[ocopenmartialarts]

@BonezProductionz - Valid points. The description of the group is for various martial artists to practice and learn from each other. It's a friendly practice and exchange as you can tell from the videos. This is not a competition group, and as many people know, the abilities is in the "practitioner" not the system. I am sure the members would welcome helpful feedback.

[BonezProductionz]

@ocopenmartialarts Ya, I enjoy watching them for learning use..but most videos online are hot heads who just want to use martial arts to prove that they can kick someone's ass. practice it as an "art" and do it for the love of doing it.

[ihavetheherpes]

@BonezProductionz irish handgrenade: mixed martial artist/pro boxer. i get the point though.

[MrCarloArellano]

I wish i had time to stop by guys.

[ocopenmartialarts]

@MrCarloArellano - Hope you can make it out to our next group sparring event on Dec. 11 (before people vacation during the Christmas break)

[Thecrazyjords]

I think the Aikido lad failed to realise that big Thai fighter was kicking at a tiny fraction of his actual speed and power - which was the only reason why Aikido guy was able to catch his leg. Interesting psychologically that Aikido guy, like so manymartial artists, despite getting massively outclassed still wants to teach the other guy to suck eggs. Funny.

[ocopenmartialarts]

@Thecrazyjords - At least he tried to work his Aikido technique on a big dude (one that has experience for that matter). Realizing certain things don't work is part of the learning process with an open group like this. This is friendly practice so he might not actually approach it this way in real life.

[scarred10]

@ocopenmartialarts there is nothing being learned here,the aikidoka (who wasnt using any aikido) couldnt even stand up or move effeiciently,he was falling over his own feet.the black would have killed him if using any power at all.Aikido isnt an art that can benefit from this practise because its not for match fighting.

[zipule]

@scarred10 Aikido is not for any fighting, not only match...it's great if you wanna study movement, philosofy, feel great but if you wanna know how to fight, well choosing aikido is like chosing roller skates for very long distance travelling, i guess it's possible to get from Europe to Asia by roller skates, but smart man takes a plane :)

[ocopenmartialarts]

@zipule, That might be your perspective but not everyone else's. This video doesn't prove ANYTHING about which system of training is better in a "real" self-defense confrontation. 1) this is a friendly sparring exchange, 2) the MT guy outweighs the Aikido guy by some 50+ lbs and 3) as others have said, Aikido trains from a self-defense perspective as opposed to a competition perspective. How often does a real "confrontation" ends up being a style vs. style thing?

[zipule]

@ocopenmartialarts that's not my perspective, it is a fact. It's not about style it's about methodics of training and atributes of the fighter (especially in self-defence it is about) and because aikido dojos have no usable methodics for learning fighting, there is maybe 0.01% aikidokas who are able to fight. Aikido lacks sparring, no sparring=no fighting skills. It's same like another sports. The fact that you are good runner doesn't mean that you are skilled football player...

[ocopenmartialarts]

@zipule - I do not disagree that sparring has value in a training curriculum. Our group is sparring and we are mixing it up w/ different stylists so that they might open up/test their ideas in a learning format. But sparring is not perfect either. Sparring vs. fighting to survive in the streets is very different and the really OLD school martial artists (even aikido folks) had to learn fighting the "hard-knox" way by fighting to survive. But society has changed and most are just MA hobbyists.

[zipule]

@ocopenmartialarts I agree with you. Sparring isn't same as real fight of course. I'm just saying that folks, who do combat sports are from 99% better equipped and prepared, than most traditional stylist, sadly aikido is for me the lowest rank in this.

It doesn't prepare you for the stress of real fight. It doesn't prepare you physically and mentally. In fight only simple movements are usefull. And aikido has not simple movement or techniques.