Very simple... Chinese are Mongoloids... they have NEANDERTHAL DNA AND MICROCEPHALIN GENES that they share.. ONLY WITH.. Caucasians and Native Americans... AND NOT WITH NEGROIDS!!!...
Negroids don't even share the same Genetic HAPLOGROUPS with any other Race except themselves...
interesting, i thought same thing about the black and red pottery in a different documentary, that it looks same as african. it's probably from lemuria (i mean the global prehistoric civilisations are more of the shamanic Lemurian type), when we were still civilised, before things began being centered around wars.
@Angie42843 - i think he looked like real eskimo's, like turks / mons etc do. darkish and dark hair. you know like siberian and lapland? so face looks - i don't know what the 'politically correct' term goes back to, but chinese or 'oriental'. northen type obviously.
@magikj100 Africans fougt each other and sold the captives to Europeans for cheap goods and rum. Europeans needed a cheap labor force so they bought the Africans and treated us terriably.
The Europeans saw us as weak so they re-wrote history to appear as Africans had always been slave to justify the mistreatment we experieced as slaves and explain why they had control over ur lives as slaves then and now.
@ComradeFlorian31 I don't claim that the Olmecs were Africans or Xia were Africans based on facial features, I based this claim on archaeology, linguistics and cultural features.
Your reasoning is unsound. Now Euros live in the US. After they came to the US the Native Americans adopted European ways including dress and language.
It is strange you can see this phenomena today-- let you can't accept the fact that Blacks brought icivlization to other parts of the world, in ancient times.
@Olmec98 linguistic features? I have no knowledge of Ancient Chinese or Olmec but I've never heard of any linguist claiming they had African roots. I greatly respect Afrocentrists like Sheikh Diop and I think there is some truth in his claim that Ancient Egypt was mainly African but, as I said, claiming Chinese and Olmec civilizations as yours pushes things a bit too far. Black Africa is an extremely beautiful civilization in itself, the ruins of Great Zimbabwe, the Ife bronzes clearly prove it
@ComradeFlorian31 It is too far in your mind. If the Olmecs buried African skeletons, used African type pottery and writing, and the Mayan and Chinese languages show a Mande substratum it is only logical to see and African origin of the people.
Before you deny an historical experience you should present counter evidence against the evidence I presented in support of my theory. You talk about Zimbabwe, what about Dar Tichitt, African writing and etc. Your statements are based on opinion
@Olmec98 if you had taken a look at my channel you would have seen I DID mention the Nsibidi writing system which is clearly indigenous to Africa therefore African-made. Like I said, you Black Africans have a beautiful history and culture, why don't you focuse more on promoting African culture from Africa rather than trying to appropriate Olmec and Chinese artifacts?
Hey Olmec everyone knows the human race came from Africa originally, so wouldnt that make the Chinese African too by your logic? so why does it matter who founded what when everyones african anyways? know what I mean? LOL
I support this brothas other afrocentric videos, but this is a liite too much. Xia and Shang skulls were mongoloid and the ppl in the area. To make everything african is too much and this info can misguide ppl
@SuperMe4lyfe U don't know what U R talking about. K.C. Chang, The archaeology of ancient China, (Yale University Press:New Haven,1977: p.76) mentions negro skeletons founat Chingliengang. The Chingliengang culture is often referred to as the Ta-wen-k'ou (Dawenkou) culture of North China. The presence of Negroid skeletal remains at Dawenkou sites make it clear that Negroes were still in the North China, in addition to South China. It was these Negroes/Blacks who founded Xia civilization
@Olmec98 Wow you list one Chinese archaeologist. thats a lot. Also they found a few negro skeletons in China..ok whats the point? theres european mummies all over China and Mongoloid genes in hungarian finnish and eastern european genes along with asian graves in europe 1000s of years ago. doesnt mean a thing other then PEOPLE travel...thats how we got out of africa in the first place!
Check out Adolf Hitler and the Black Jew. I don’t think it's too much. DNA proves we all came from Africa. Meaning the origin of any culture was African. (Europe is up for debate) The video was just to shed a lil light on the subject. It's not so far-fetch.
@Angie42843 - yeah the real ones is why folks like bob marley sing about escaping babylon and about zion, that's original 'jews'.
babylon is the term for the enslaving culture (no matter where it is), in lots of cultures (even with aryans into india area, and with southern-east asians) there is the black southern people being inferior thing going on. i don't know where it comes from originally tho, that attitude i mean.
I have a question ''prof'' - How is it that Blacks founded every civilization on planet, yet failed to find any significant thriving centres of science and technological progress akin to Sumerians, Chinese, Indians, Mayans...etc, in their own homelands? I am very eager to know since I just came across another video that claims Sumerians were Sub-Saharan Africans and that origin of Greek civilization were African too.
@lilblackmamba In Africa Africans like to develop villages. But we do see high narchitecture at large cities like Djenne, Kerma and the Swahili societies. Once Africans left the small villages--without traditional controls of the expression of knowledged learned in the secret societies was expressed in the cilizations on ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia
@lilblackmamba I think those group of east africans who ventured out of africa into middle east and survived must have something in them to outlast all those odds. And so there descendants from thereon have what it takes to build great civilisations and the sciences and arts. Constantly adapting to the environment as they moved across further into Asia and Europe separately also mean they have evolved in terms of intelligence. Those who did not venture out see no need for adaptation.
Oh, I'd only take such class if it's being taught by non-westerners, in non-Western and non African country, so I don't have to hear any politically correct bullshit, but the actual facts.
Mesopotamia was the cradle of civilization and the base for all mathematics, language and astrology, before Egypt and before Greece.
Obviously you have no idea that the Canon of yao has been translated both in the US and China and everywhere else. None have stated Limin=black people. The closest is black haired people. Obviously my ancestors are aware of other people I.E. caucasians in the west where mummies were found.
@Olmec98 Li min - black headed refers to hair color as mongoloids were mostly black haired a fact stated in early chinese records as oppose to the many indo-iranians who had colored hair n eyes. Example the negitos were called curly haired people not bekuz there head was curly but there hair was. We also called the Yuezhi and kirgiz yellow headed but they were not mongoloid but r1a1 indo-iranian(tho they assimilated to a turkic language later on) with BLONDE HAIR.
Are you aware that there are written records from the hittites about troy (wilusa or truwisa) right? You can find that yourself since you're a professor or do you need me to give you reference.
Read carefully before you reply. You said there were no hittites during the trojan times. Yet its clear the hittites know them and have diplomatic connection with them (In Search of the Trojan War). L Hg is known to be in Elam and J Hg was there when the Akkadian Invaded.
Racism means someone who prefers a race is superior. Yet I have not even mention that Hans are superior although I believe that all O Hg are brethren since its commonality.
What I presented is your fallacies and misrepresentation of history. History belongs to all, not the distorted or the fallacious ones but the truthful entirety which can be supported by all the historical, archealogical, and genetic findings.
@ZhouYunZilongThis is an ignorant statement how can a translation be out of date. Again you show your racism. He provides the same translations you do for other Chinese terms for black--but you hate the meaning of li.
I hope you don't become a teacher it is clear you will lie to make yourself right
Black in chinese 黑 hēi black; dark; Heilongjiang Province (abbrev.) 黑色 hēi sè black 黎 lí (surname); black; abbreviation for Lebanon 玈 lú black 烏 乌 wū a crow; black 玄 xuán black; mysterious 黓 yì black 黝 yǒu black; dark green 皁 zào black; police runners, from the black clothes formerly worn by them 皂 zào black 淄 zī black; name of a river
@ZhouYunZilong You ignorant liar. Weigner has been used by Chinese scholars for years. Your attack on this scholar shows your racism. Whenever you don't agree with something you claim they are wrong because they are not Chinese. Someone should report your racism to your dean.
I believe it is time to ask the history dept. at USC for their own opinion and have a dialogue with the Dean of GSU.
Teaching false history is like malpractice of medicine and the same with law. Not only he (olmec98, clyde winters of Governor State University) is wasting student tuition but spreading lies with no academic acceptance in the world's scholastic field.
You keep writing limin meaning black people and yet you have acknowledged that it meant black head.
Proto-elamites are by ydna belongs to L Hg before the J Hg of the Akkadian empire invaded. The skeletons of horses on busan and their time period is still debated.
If I am such an ignorant young woman and a student of history why erase my comment about you, myself, and an asian antiquity scholar having this debate? Why not face the truth as mumbatik wrote?
There is a passage in Herodotus which points to identification of Memnon as Hittite. Herodotus describes two similar tall carved human figures in separate locations in western Anatolia, one of them on the road from Smyrna to Sardis, which Herodotus said were believed by some of his contemporaries to represent Memnon, Herodotus himself believed they represented an Egyptian pharaoh. A carved figure matching his description has been found near the old road from Smyrna to Sardis, and is Hittite.
@AnimexWarrior First of all the Xia and Shang did not write in fanciful signs like the Jia Gu Wen script. The guwenzi or 'ancient script' of the Shang and Xia was called jiaguwen 'the oracular and divinatory' writing. It was incised on hard material like bone and shells. The writing of these people was a phonetic script.
@AnimexWarrior This is a silly response. No body knows the language spoken by the neolithic Chinese. We can only compare languages when we have evidence of that language the Chinese writing.
When we look at the language of the (Xia and ) Shang oral bone inscriptions and the symbols themselves we note their African origin.
@AnimexWarrior The contemporary Chinese are Han, They have no relationship to the Xia. The Xia share many cultural features including red-and-black pottery , writing, naming ssystem and etc.
@mumbatik Again you provide history. The history of the Hua/Han--not the li min=Black People. This was over 2000 years after Xia and 400 year after the fall of the Shang-Anyang empire.
@mumbatik The first horse skeletons come from Buhen in Kush, not Egypt. The Buhen horse skeleton dates to 1600 BC, this was 800 years before the Han had horses. Archaeologist believe that the Kushites rode this horse during their attack of the Buhen fortress held at this time by the Egyptians.
Han Chinese trace their ancestry back to the Huaxia people, who lived along the Yellow River in northern China. The famous Chinese historian Sima Qian's Records of the Grand Historian dates the reign of the Yellow Emperor, the legendary ancestor of the Han Chinese, to 2698 BCE to 2599 BCE.
Zhou Dynasty 1045 BCE256 BCE
(Ancient History of China)
I believe you do not know history itself Mr. Clyde Ahmad Winters perhaps pseudo-history you truly know much about.
@Here you go again spreading lies. Xia was the first Dynasty of China . It was not a Hua/Han civilization. Sima Qian was writing about the three dynasties not the ancestors of the Han.
Stop trying to steal the history of the li min ="Black People".
What is hillarious is at first you stated they're from kush and now you state they're elamties. Yet historical military evidence have proven you wrong.
@mumbatik As I said cite the source. The Elamites came from Kush. They were Kushites. Learn your history ignorant person. Stop trying to steal the history of Black People.
@Olmec98 ancient scholars noted that the first rulers of Elam were of Kushite ( Kerma ? ) origin. According to Strabo, the first Elamite colony at Susa was founded by Tithnus, a King of Kush. Strabo in Book 15, Chapter 3728 wrote that in fact it is claimed that Susa was founded by Tithonus Memnon's father, and his citadel bore the name Memnonium. The Susians are also called Cissians. Aeschylus, calls Memnon's mother Cissia.
From your own testimony, you do not make any rational sense. Please, stop fabricating fallacies. Limin, meant brownish face the same anyone can get when toiling under the sun. You have not accurately translated that because Li is a surname use in reference of person.
The earliest chariot burial site in China, discovered in 1933 at Hougang, Anyang of central China's Henan Province, dates to the rule of King Wu Ding of the late Shang Dynasty (ca. 1200 BC)
(Ancient Chinese History)
The first certain attestation of chariots in the Hittite Empire dates to the late 17th century BC (Hattusili I). A Hittite horse training text survives, attributed to Kikkuli the Mitanni (15th century BC)
I am ignorant of history? Please cite to me when 'you're so called kushites rode chariots to the middle kingdom/central kingdom, china'. Funny, the assyrians were first introduce chariots by the hittites.
I have cited facts to you and yet none were refuted by facts from you.
I am verse in military science and history since it is in my realm of profession. Limin, do you even know how to speak classical chinese?
@mumbatik Ha, ha you are a master of lies. the dating of theHorse Period in African history dates back to 1500 BC The painting and engravings of chariots in Africa date back to 1500 BC. The dating of the Horse period in the Africa isnow pushed back to 1500 BC. this is 300 years before we see chariots and writing in China.
Eurasia Haplogroup A has been observed as A1 in Caucasian men in England. As A3b2, it has been observed with low frequency in Asia Minor, Aegean, and the Middle East.
(Oxford university genetics department and supported also from dna analysis in the areas mentioned)
Your erronous statement of khoisans dna makes me doubt your own credentia as a professor of history.
N mtdna haplogroups mutated from L3 mtdna haplogroup.
@mumbatik I already know you know nothing about history because the Cro-Magnon people carried haplogroup N, which is also carried by Khoisan. You are a fraud an ignorant person
I know for a fact that my people have used the chariot as far back as 1600bce. Only at that time is when egypt has been introduced to chariots by hyksos.
The kushite have not had chariots prior to this time period also.
The xia culture had existed from 2600bce to 1600bce. From your claim alone, what you said is not possible.
@mumbatik There is no evidence that people in China rode chariots until the Blacks from Elam entered China. Also, please cite an article an article stating that the Mongoloid people had chariots before they were introduced from the west.
The Hyksos were not Chinese. If you remember the Hyksos and Kushites were very close. In addition their is evidence that even before the Hyksos Kushites were riding horses.
@mumbatik we can not use contemporary Chinese to discover past connections between the Xia and contemporary Chinese because the present Chinese are decendants of the Hua/Han people of Zhou times. The Zhou entered China after 1000 BC. The Xia and other groups were in Chin at least 1500-2000 years befor the Han/Hua came on the scene.
You need to study Chinese history before you make wild claims here.
In regard of your sources, are they not out of date? Are you aware of african black slaves in china (castrated so not to breed) are present in antiquities.
I'm certain anyone can find such sources in the information age of ours.
Are you certain that the negroids/black africans is not refering to pygmies/aborigines.
@mumbatik you're very ignorant the existence of negro skeletons in China proves the ancient presence of Blacks. In fact they predate any evidence of Black slaves being taken to China during the Muslim period, or mongoloid people generally. Do you know Chinese. If you did you would know that the name for the ancient Chinese was li min "Black People". They were called Black people because they were not Han or Hua people, who first entered China during Zhou Dynasty.
Olmec98, note that the oldest ydna of any people are that of khoisans and other tribes collectively the bushmen of africa. They in fact still lives this day, do you need references for this data?
Are they related to black africans as mutated dna offsprings or siblings?
@mumbatik (uploader) K.C. Chang, The archaeology of ancient China, (Yale University Press:New Haven,1977: p.76) mentions negro skeletons founat Chingliengang. The Chingliengang culture is often referred to as the Ta-wen-k'ou (Dawenkou) culture of North China. The presence of Negroid skeletal remains at Dawenkou sites make it clear that Negroes were still in the North China, in addition to South China. It was these Negroes/Blacks who founded Xia civilization
@mumbatik Yes they are related. In fact it was these people who took hg N to Europe. The Khoisan never entered eastern Eurasia.
The first Blacks to enter East Asia, were the Australians. But most of these people went to Australia. Most of the Black ancestors of the contemporary Asians were pygmies. The ancestors of the Xia came from Africa and were chariot riding Kushites.
Skeletons and skulls proved everything,majority of the ancient skulls discovered in northern china were mongoloid,only a few were belonged to caucasoid,austrialian and african,and they were believed to be belonged to the slaves who were captured during the wars.but there are exceptional cases,the skeletons of shandong dongyi were belonged to the proto polynesians while the skeletons of the southeast were similar to modern southeastAsians
Negroid skeletons dating to the early periods of Southern Chinese history have been found in Shangdong, Jiantung, Sichuan, Yunnan, Pearl River delta and Jiangxi especially at the initial sites of Chingliengang (Ch'ing-lien-kang) and Mazhiabang (Ma chia-pang) phases ( see: K.C. Chang, The archaeology of ancient China, (Yale University Press:New Haven,1977) p.76) . The Chingliengang culture is often referred to as the Dawenkou culture of North China. This puts Negroes in North China as well
True, exactly. So then exactly when do the current form of chinese people come into existence??? Cause its obvious that arficans had to leave africa & populate the rest of the world finding new lands. So when do you think they changed from looking like regular africans to current form chinese people??? That doesn't happen over night you know that right, that change
This is a stupid comment. There were already Africans trading in China when Chang Ho made his way to Africa. These African merchants and sailors came in their own boats from the Zanji cities like Malinda.
You would know this if you bothered to study history. Your comments betry your jealousy of Black/ African people. Europeans could not venture on the open seas because they believed the world was flat assume African people were ignorant also. Classical and Chinese records show they were not.
Its real simple. By claiming Africans founded the first Chinese dynasty, you are doing a disservice to African culture. If They were "African" and they migrated to the Huang He valley, the cease to become African. There is always a syncretic mix of culture when migration is involved, but the fact is the Xia, Shang, Chou, and everything after is CHINESE. Why? BECAUSE IT'S IN CHINA. It is CHINESE culture and history, regardless of where these people were from.
Not really it just provides an acurate view of history. The ancient model of history taught by the Classical scholars made it clear that African people founded civilizations in Africa and Asia. The discussion of the Xia dynasty only confirms what they wrote about.
retort: history is never truly accurate. It is only based on what we have as evidence, and the prism of our modern understanding and bias to see it through. there is no concrete evidence of africans in neolithic china, inasmuch as there is no concrete eveidence to the contrary
You sound silly. The sources for my post are mentioned in the film. This is the evidence. Textual evidence is not determined by modern lenses it is based on translation of these text which make it clear the Xia were Africans.
Moreover, if you knew Chinese history you would know that it is a history of different groups entering China and taking over the government. The contemporary Chinese for example are of Han and Hau background. These people date back to Zhou invasion. The Zhou (Chou) as taught by traditional Chinese history were not the first civilizers of China.
Again, this is a silly argument. Europeans took over America. This history is both American and European just like Xia history relates to Af & China.
If a group of Scadanavian people decided to migrate to Africa in antiquity, and bring their culture with them , and, most importantly, stayed to populate, THEY WOULDN'T BE SCANDANAVIAN. Please do not confuse the idea of a national/regional identity with with a defining constant. Humans are syncretic by nature, be it art, language, or humanity. Whether or not the Xia dynasty was founded by peoples from Africa is not the point. The point is that it is a CHINESE event.
This is incorrect. Europeans settle the North American continent. They now dominate but history teaches us that Native Americans were here when they arrived. We call these Europeans Americans but we still acknowlede where they originated: i.e., Britain, France and etc. Granted the European settlement is an American event but it does not take away the fact that it is a part of European history.
retort: what is incorrect? the settlement/conquest of the western hemisphere is a s much about the indigenous population and their story as much as it is about the europeans
Correct. The same is true of China. The modern Han people only entered the area as noted in their own textual material with the Zhou.The Zhou reach China after 1200BC
As much as the Conquista is/was an AMERICAN (NOT U.S.A.) event, by the very nature of its' happening. Your theory is (with what scant relevance to African culture) intriguing, but you obviously are more interested in exacting a modern political agenda grounded in the inequality experienced by African peoples at the hands of non-Africans for the last 600 years then you are about promoting a rational rethink of history.
This is an illogical conclusion. You acknowledge that the Conquista event was important in history. Without these Spanish explorers we would not have Mexico, Peru and etc. today. Their presence resulted in political change but ultimately it is historical in nature.
African people being exploited is only relevant to former slaves. Africa was only colonized in 1899 and independent by the 1970's.
As a result, if we can discuss Spain in America, why not Africans in China?Both events happened.
retort: what is an illogical conclusion? what do you mean by "ultimately it was historical in nature"? ultimately the "nature" of the "history" of african peoples in china was obviously so important, that the chinese mentioned it, but even then, 'tis "only historical in nature"..."african people being exploited is only relevant to former slaves"? huh? africa was only colonized in 1899?? WHATT!!!??? I apologize for my incredulity, you seem to have missed a few hundred years of recorded history
uh, the portugese dominated the coasts of africa starting in the 140's. they christianized (nominally) the areas of the congo, including certain local rulers. this is not my point. my point is that you have no basis for the fact that africans were in china as much as you have the basis for the fact that israelites were in north america at the same time
What about the "Jewish" African tribe (I forget the name, look 'em up), who had DNA tests done and were proven to be of the Cohenim matrilineal DNA? Would that mean that one of the "lost tribes" of Israel were actually responsible for the formation of an "African" people, and their Identity?
Most Black scholars would see nothing wrong with this Af hist makes it clear that Hebrew people established many colonies thrughout Africa. Black scholars see the original Hebrews as Blacks, since they originated in Egypt which we recognize as a Black country. Most Black scholars do not recognize contemporary Jews as representative of the original Hebrew people.
and just how old are the bones because even homo erectus had Asian features.1938-30 sums it up old outdated research part of history is testing your theory with new evidence.
If we have one or two skeletons dating back to that period and they are not Chinese tells us a lot. What it tells us is that the ancient Chinese during this period were negroid not mongoloid like contemporary Chinese.
Dr. Wiercinski analyzed the Olmec bones from Tlatilco and Cerro de Mesas and found Africans. There were no Zapotec at this site why do you make up stories to satisfy your racist imagination?
Whenever there is an argument that a certain society or country was founded by a race of people that are not native to that part of the world, it is based on sketchy facts, without providing a lot of information on how significant their effects were, or an explanation of why the founders are no longer found anywhere near the area.
Just because there may have been blacks (or even whites) in ancient China does not prove that China was not founded by the Chinese
You are very stupid. I have provided textual Chinese evidence concerning their African-ness and examples from their language. You are making conjectural statements that lack any foundation. In addition, you present not evidence supporting your position. Why in the world do you insist on making a fool of yourself.
Don't argue with that neanderthal he can't take facts for facts..as he's already made a RANT video about you..I notice all he can do is provide opinions while ignoring our references we recite to him.
LOL There's a saying "If it ain't white it ain't right"
And I firmly believe he has let that ideology stain his already calcified and depraved pineal gland.
Judging from his appearance he looks like a stupid kike..we already know the kikes speak with forked tongues 24/7
Kwang-chih Chang, writing in the 4th edition of Archaeology of ancient China (1986) wrote that: by the beginning of the Recent (Holocene) period the population in North China and that in the southwest and in Indochina had become sufficiently differentiated to be designated as Mongoloid and OCEANIC NEGROID races respectively
so the best evidence you have is obscure skeletal remains from the 30s why no more new evidence like mt DNA or mummys or left behind junk from there travels.
something tells me your not being honest becuase i know the olmec bones in your last vid were from monte alban and were not even olmec.
You are very ignorant. Skeletal remains do not change because they are reported in an paper--they remain the same. African artifacts found among Xia include red-and-black ware, writing, and etc.
You are the dishonest and ignorant one. The African skeletons I am talking about came from the Olmec levels of Tlatilco and Cerro de Mesas. You don't know what you're talking about so I will no longer communicate with you.
those little carvings dont look african and there well known to be chinese lol notice how all the names are chinese.
great zimbawbe is nothing compared to china and timbuktu was started by berbers. zulus lived in huts and nubians came into contact with egypt wich wasent all black but a mixture of maney people.
and you want us to beleive that china was started by the poorest race with IQS of mostly 80.
IQ test mean nothing, explain why africans who come to america recieve there degrees at a higher rate & faster then any other race? And now egypt was a mixture of many races huh LMAO, funny cause they say in there own words that they came from the beginning of the nile where the god happi dwells. Do you even know where that is. Not to mention all the melanin tests that were done but no one wants to acknowledge that cause it crushes the same BS theory your trying to portray now LMAO. Carry on
they recieve there degrees becuase there apart of a rare minority that wants to and has the means to escape the hell hole of a third world. the nile is in egypt and starts in sudan and happi is a transvisdite.
But you just said they are have the lowest IQ's meaning they are dumb right, yet they get the most degree's at the fastest rate LMAO. Contradiction.....And the nile river doesn't start at sudan LMAO, it starts in 2 different places. In ethiopia & uganda, step your geography game up
Your comments are very ignorant. First of all many Europeans live in shacks little better than huts in West Virginia and Kentucky. The skeletal remains of the first Chinese are of Negro people, not Chinese.F. Weidenreich in Bull. Nat. Hist. Soc. Peiping 13, (1938-30) noted that the one of the earliest skulls from north China found in the Upper Cave Zhukoudien, was Negroid (p.163).
K.C. Chang, The archaeology of ancient China, (Yale University Press:New Haven,1977: p.76) mentions negro skeletons founat Chingliengang. The Chingliengang culture is often referred to as the Ta-wen-k'ou (Dawenkou) culture of North China. The presence of Negroid skeletal remains at Dawenkou sites make it clear that Negroes were still in the North China, in addition to South China. It was these Negroes/Blacks who founded Xia civilization
The Xia and Shang people referred to themselves as li min because they were black people, not because sunspots were referred to as black. The Mande people of Africa clan they belong to the Siu clan. In Chinese clan means Su.The term Si, corresponds to the name Si, applied to the Xia founders. The surname for the Xia as mentioned in the film was Si.
The skeletons are not 200,000 years old they date to around 5-7kya. They have nothing to do with Egypt. The African artifacts found in China include writing, red-and-black ceramics and etc.
Just because a reference to skeletal remains is old does not deny what race the skeletal remains represent.
Wrong. They were negroid see above.The Xia and Shang were called li min In Chinese min=people and li= black (see L. Wieger, Chinese Characters 1915).The Chinese classics make it clear that the Min Li, means "Black people" . In the "Shu King", we read that "In the Canon of Yao, we discover that Yu "regulated and polished the people of his domain, who all became brightly intelligent. Finally, he united and harmonized the myriad States of the empire; and lo! The black people were transformed".
prince: Timbuctu was built by berbers? word? Damn thats a new one. I've heard it all. So Mansa Musa was a white berber? LMAo Eve see pics of the Mali Kings? lmao
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Very simple... Chinese are Mongoloids... they have NEANDERTHAL DNA AND MICROCEPHALIN GENES that they share.. ONLY WITH.. Caucasians and Native Americans... AND NOT WITH NEGROIDS!!!...
Negroids don't even share the same Genetic HAPLOGROUPS with any other Race except themselves...
and no Civilizations either.... ZERO... NADA....
GeneAlchemist9 2 days ago
interesting, i thought same thing about the black and red pottery in a different documentary, that it looks same as african. it's probably from lemuria (i mean the global prehistoric civilisations are more of the shamanic Lemurian type), when we were still civilised, before things began being centered around wars.
NWOareScum 1 month ago
But to make a long story short Yes this video is correct. I know my Bible History and World History or (His-Story of the Hue-mans)
Angie42843 1 month ago
Can anyone tell me what color was Genghis Khan? (I Hear Asian) (I Hear White)
What Color was his Hair and Eyes? I read some were he was a white man (Aryan bloodline) with red hair and green eyes. I'LL EXPLAIN THE MEANING
BUT WHAT COLOR WAS HE REALLY?
Angie42843 1 month ago
@Angie42843 - i think he looked like real eskimo's, like turks / mons etc do. darkish and dark hair. you know like siberian and lapland? so face looks - i don't know what the 'politically correct' term goes back to, but chinese or 'oriental'. northen type obviously.
NWOareScum 1 month ago
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Very interesting commit!!!
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mongolANDtamerlane 4 months ago
@magikj100 Africans fougt each other and sold the captives to Europeans for cheap goods and rum. Europeans needed a cheap labor force so they bought the Africans and treated us terriably.
The Europeans saw us as weak so they re-wrote history to appear as Africans had always been slave to justify the mistreatment we experieced as slaves and explain why they had control over ur lives as slaves then and now.
Olmec98 5 months ago
And to support to black natives claim is the washitaw muurs of north america muurs aka moors lol I love being black or naga
magikj100 5 months ago
@ComradeFlorian31 I don't claim that the Olmecs were Africans or Xia were Africans based on facial features, I based this claim on archaeology, linguistics and cultural features.
Your reasoning is unsound. Now Euros live in the US. After they came to the US the Native Americans adopted European ways including dress and language.
It is strange you can see this phenomena today-- let you can't accept the fact that Blacks brought icivlization to other parts of the world, in ancient times.
Olmec98 7 months ago
@Olmec98 linguistic features? I have no knowledge of Ancient Chinese or Olmec but I've never heard of any linguist claiming they had African roots. I greatly respect Afrocentrists like Sheikh Diop and I think there is some truth in his claim that Ancient Egypt was mainly African but, as I said, claiming Chinese and Olmec civilizations as yours pushes things a bit too far. Black Africa is an extremely beautiful civilization in itself, the ruins of Great Zimbabwe, the Ife bronzes clearly prove it
ComradeFlorian31 7 months ago
@ComradeFlorian31 It is too far in your mind. If the Olmecs buried African skeletons, used African type pottery and writing, and the Mayan and Chinese languages show a Mande substratum it is only logical to see and African origin of the people.
Before you deny an historical experience you should present counter evidence against the evidence I presented in support of my theory. You talk about Zimbabwe, what about Dar Tichitt, African writing and etc. Your statements are based on opinion
Olmec98 7 months ago
@Olmec98 if you had taken a look at my channel you would have seen I DID mention the Nsibidi writing system which is clearly indigenous to Africa therefore African-made. Like I said, you Black Africans have a beautiful history and culture, why don't you focuse more on promoting African culture from Africa rather than trying to appropriate Olmec and Chinese artifacts?
ComradeFlorian31 7 months ago
Hey Olmec everyone knows the human race came from Africa originally, so wouldnt that make the Chinese African too by your logic? so why does it matter who founded what when everyones african anyways? know what I mean? LOL
lazy702622 8 months ago
@lazy702622 No. By the time the Xia Dynasty originated the two races had differitiated.
Olmec98 8 months ago
Do any Chinese historians,record keepers and archeologist backup the view that the Xia and Shang dynasties were formed by Black people?
CrowdPleeza 1 year ago
@CrowdPleeza Yes check out the references.
Olmec98 1 year ago
@lilblackmamba your wrong stop using wikipedia for your info. Kemet and the Nubian empire are both older then the mesopotamia civilization.
tub80489 1 year ago
I support this brothas other afrocentric videos, but this is a liite too much. Xia and Shang skulls were mongoloid and the ppl in the area. To make everything african is too much and this info can misguide ppl
SuperMe4lyfe 1 year ago 5
@SuperMe4lyfe U don't know what U R talking about. K.C. Chang, The archaeology of ancient China, (Yale University Press:New Haven,1977: p.76) mentions negro skeletons founat Chingliengang. The Chingliengang culture is often referred to as the Ta-wen-k'ou (Dawenkou) culture of North China. The presence of Negroid skeletal remains at Dawenkou sites make it clear that Negroes were still in the North China, in addition to South China. It was these Negroes/Blacks who founded Xia civilization
Olmec98 1 year ago
@Olmec98 not just black few white skeletons were found as well
canadianfirzen 1 year ago
@canadianfirzen This skeletons date after the fall of the Negro kingdoms of Shang and Xia.
Olmec98 8 months ago
@Olmec98 Wow you list one Chinese archaeologist. thats a lot. Also they found a few negro skeletons in China..ok whats the point? theres european mummies all over China and Mongoloid genes in hungarian finnish and eastern european genes along with asian graves in europe 1000s of years ago. doesnt mean a thing other then PEOPLE travel...thats how we got out of africa in the first place!
lazy702622 8 months ago
@lazy702622 All it takes is one person to tell the truth. The fact is that there are no Mongoloid or European skeletons dating back to this period.
Olmec98 8 months ago
@SuperMe4lyfe
Check out Adolf Hitler and the Black Jew. I don’t think it's too much. DNA proves we all came from Africa. Meaning the origin of any culture was African. (Europe is up for debate) The video was just to shed a lil light on the subject. It's not so far-fetch.
Angie42843 1 month ago
@Angie42843 - yeah the real ones is why folks like bob marley sing about escaping babylon and about zion, that's original 'jews'.
babylon is the term for the enslaving culture (no matter where it is), in lots of cultures (even with aryans into india area, and with southern-east asians) there is the black southern people being inferior thing going on. i don't know where it comes from originally tho, that attitude i mean.
maybe 'white' atlantis tech vs lemurian natural.
NWOareScum 1 month ago
@NWOareScum
Thanx!!!
I see you know a thing or 2 about History.
Not Bad!!
Angie42843 1 month ago
I have a question ''prof'' - How is it that Blacks founded every civilization on planet, yet failed to find any significant thriving centres of science and technological progress akin to Sumerians, Chinese, Indians, Mayans...etc, in their own homelands? I am very eager to know since I just came across another video that claims Sumerians were Sub-Saharan Africans and that origin of Greek civilization were African too.
Thanks in advance.
lilblackmamba 1 year ago
@lilblackmamba In Africa Africans like to develop villages. But we do see high narchitecture at large cities like Djenne, Kerma and the Swahili societies. Once Africans left the small villages--without traditional controls of the expression of knowledged learned in the secret societies was expressed in the cilizations on ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia
Olmec98 1 year ago
@lilblackmamba I think those group of east africans who ventured out of africa into middle east and survived must have something in them to outlast all those odds. And so there descendants from thereon have what it takes to build great civilisations and the sciences and arts. Constantly adapting to the environment as they moved across further into Asia and Europe separately also mean they have evolved in terms of intelligence. Those who did not venture out see no need for adaptation.
minghan05 1 year ago
@lilblackmamba WOW. You should really take an ancient African Civilization class. Africa is the bases of math and astrology. SMH
tub80489 1 year ago
@tub80489
Oh, I'd only take such class if it's being taught by non-westerners, in non-Western and non African country, so I don't have to hear any politically correct bullshit, but the actual facts.
Mesopotamia was the cradle of civilization and the base for all mathematics, language and astrology, before Egypt and before Greece.
lilblackmamba 1 year ago
Obviously you have no idea that the Canon of yao has been translated both in the US and China and everywhere else. None have stated Limin=black people. The closest is black haired people. Obviously my ancestors are aware of other people I.E. caucasians in the west where mummies were found.
mumbatik 1 year ago
@mumbatik I don't care what you think. You know Chinese so you can continue to teach a lie if you which--but the truth has been presented herein.
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dacboy2453 1 year ago
@ZhouYunZilong
Li Min is used to refer to the ancient Chinese in the Shu King, e.g., the Canon of Yao. Therein li min was applied the empire,
Olmec98 1 year ago
@Olmec98 Li min - black headed refers to hair color as mongoloids were mostly black haired a fact stated in early chinese records as oppose to the many indo-iranians who had colored hair n eyes. Example the negitos were called curly haired people not bekuz there head was curly but there hair was. We also called the Yuezhi and kirgiz yellow headed but they were not mongoloid but r1a1 indo-iranian(tho they assimilated to a turkic language later on) with BLONDE HAIR.
lazy702622 8 months ago
@lazy702622 LOL you must not know Chinese. Li Min means Black people check out my video on the meaning of Li Min.
Wieger, in Chinese Characters, makes it clear that li=Black (p.618) and min=People (p.624). The above is also found in Wieger.
You attack Wieger, because you are racist.
Olmec98 8 months ago
Again you're erasing comments for your own advantage.
Li is used for names like surnames. Example Mr. Black. I haven't even denied that.
ZhouYunZilong 1 year ago
@ZhouYunZilong It was used in the Classics to refer to the ancient Chinese. Thus li min = Black People.
Olmec98 1 year ago
Are you aware that there are written records from the hittites about troy (wilusa or truwisa) right? You can find that yourself since you're a professor or do you need me to give you reference.
ZhouYunZilong 1 year ago
@ZhouYunZilong There is no proof wilusa is the name for Troy.That's why the researchers use the terms "should" and "probably".
You lying racist.
Olmec98 1 year ago
Why would I hate the word li? My friends name is Li Lan (black orchid) and yet she isn't black african but han. So again you fail.
ZhouYunZilong 1 year ago
@ZhouYunZilong First you claimed li, did not equal black. Now you admit its true meaning .
Proof, you are not only a racist but great liar
Olmec98 1 year ago
Read carefully before you reply. You said there were no hittites during the trojan times. Yet its clear the hittites know them and have diplomatic connection with them (In Search of the Trojan War). L Hg is known to be in Elam and J Hg was there when the Akkadian Invaded.
ZhouYunZilong 1 year ago
@ZhouYunZilong Cite an article on extraction of Elamite dna. This is speculation about a Hittite Trojan connection
Olmec98 1 year ago
Wieger only identified less than 900 chinese characters. There are over 4000.
Many mistakes would have been made since he cannot even identify a quarter of the characters.
You welcome zhouyunzilong.
mumbatik 1 year ago
@mumbatik He identified li min
Olmec98 1 year ago
Racism means someone who prefers a race is superior. Yet I have not even mention that Hans are superior although I believe that all O Hg are brethren since its commonality.
What I presented is your fallacies and misrepresentation of history. History belongs to all, not the distorted or the fallacious ones but the truthful entirety which can be supported by all the historical, archealogical, and genetic findings.
ZhouYunZilong 1 year ago
@ZhouYunZilong You showed you were racist when you claimed Wieger could not know the chinese, because he was not Chinese.
You showed you ignorants when you claimed the Trojans were related to the Hittites.
You showed your ignorance when you claim you know the ancient dna of the Elamites when none has been extracted
Olmec98 1 year ago
I did speak to my dean and presented evidence, the dean even agreed since weigners translation are not to date and misrepresented.
ZhouYunZilong 1 year ago
@ZhouYunZilongThis is an ignorant statement how can a translation be out of date. Again you show your racism. He provides the same translations you do for other Chinese terms for black--but you hate the meaning of li.
I hope you don't become a teacher it is clear you will lie to make yourself right
Olmec98 1 year ago
大眾 大众 dà zhòng people; public; masses 氓 méng people 甿 méng people 萌 méng people; sprout 人 rén man; person; people 人們 人们 rén men people
Where is li min?
ZhouYunZilong 1 year ago
Black in chinese 黑 hēi black; dark; Heilongjiang Province (abbrev.) 黑色 hēi sè black 黎 lí (surname); black; abbreviation for Lebanon 玈 lú black 烏 乌 wū a crow; black 玄 xuán black; mysterious 黓 yì black 黝 yǒu black; dark green 皁 zào black; police runners, from the black clothes formerly worn by them 皂 zào black 淄 zī black; name of a river
ZhouYunZilong 1 year ago
@ZhouYunZilong Wieger, in Chinese Characters, makes it clear that li=Black (p.618) and min=People (p.624). The above is also found in Wieger.
You attack Wieger, because you are racist.
Olmec98 1 year ago
Then you just admitted that the elamites are NOT BLACK AFRICANS of E Hg.
Weigner have misrespresented that word. He is not chinese to know the language itself.
Ignorance-equates to your own misrepresentation of history.
ZhouYunZilong 1 year ago
@ZhouYunZilong You ignorant liar. Weigner has been used by Chinese scholars for years. Your attack on this scholar shows your racism. Whenever you don't agree with something you claim they are wrong because they are not Chinese. Someone should report your racism to your dean.
Olmec98 1 year ago
I believe it is time to ask the history dept. at USC for their own opinion and have a dialogue with the Dean of GSU.
Teaching false history is like malpractice of medicine and the same with law. Not only he (olmec98, clyde winters of Governor State University) is wasting student tuition but spreading lies with no academic acceptance in the world's scholastic field.
ZhouYunZilong 1 year ago
You keep writing limin meaning black people and yet you have acknowledged that it meant black head.
Proto-elamites are by ydna belongs to L Hg before the J Hg of the Akkadian empire invaded. The skeletons of horses on busan and their time period is still debated.
Answer all this factual evidence.
ZhouYunZilong 1 year ago
@ZhouYunZilong Your mistranslation of li min shows what an ignorant liar you are.
You are so ignorant. Wieger, in Chinese Characters, makes it clear that li=Black (p.618) and min=People (p.624).
Cite an article that illustrates that geneticists have examined Proto-Elamite dna and found it to be hg J.
Olmec98 1 year ago
If I am such an ignorant young woman and a student of history why erase my comment about you, myself, and an asian antiquity scholar having this debate? Why not face the truth as mumbatik wrote?
ZhouYunZilong 1 year ago
@AnimexWarrior You are talking about Han if you are talking about contemporary Chinese.
Olmec98 1 year ago
There is a passage in Herodotus which points to identification of Memnon as Hittite. Herodotus describes two similar tall carved human figures in separate locations in western Anatolia, one of them on the road from Smyrna to Sardis, which Herodotus said were believed by some of his contemporaries to represent Memnon, Herodotus himself believed they represented an Egyptian pharaoh. A carved figure matching his description has been found near the old road from Smyrna to Sardis, and is Hittite.
ZhouYunZilong 1 year ago
@ZhouYunZilong This shows your ignorance there were no Hittites in existence during the rule of Troy.
Olmec98 1 year ago
@AnimexWarrior you are wrong. the earliest writing comes from Egypt not Mesopotamia. Writing is the best evidence for high civilization
Olmec98 1 year ago
@AnimexWarrior First of all the Xia and Shang did not write in fanciful signs like the Jia Gu Wen script. The guwenzi or 'ancient script' of the Shang and Xia was called jiaguwen 'the oracular and divinatory' writing. It was incised on hard material like bone and shells. The writing of these people was a phonetic script.
Olmec98 1 year ago
@AnimexWarrior This is a silly response. No body knows the language spoken by the neolithic Chinese. We can only compare languages when we have evidence of that language the Chinese writing.
When we look at the language of the (Xia and ) Shang oral bone inscriptions and the symbols themselves we note their African origin.
Olmec98 1 year ago
@AnimexWarrior The contemporary Chinese are Han, They have no relationship to the Xia. The Xia share many cultural features including red-and-black pottery , writing, naming ssystem and etc.
Olmec98 1 year ago
There's no point arguing with baseless pseudo-history dreamers like you.
In military history the first 3 units were infantry, charioteers, and then the cavalry.
The noted cavalry use are during 890-860 bce. That just blow another hole to your theory of kushite are horse riders.
mumbatik 1 year ago
@mumbatik Again you provide history. The history of the Hua/Han--not the li min=Black People. This was over 2000 years after Xia and 400 year after the fall of the Shang-Anyang empire.
Olmec98 1 year ago
@mumbatik The first horse skeletons come from Buhen in Kush, not Egypt. The Buhen horse skeleton dates to 1600 BC, this was 800 years before the Han had horses. Archaeologist believe that the Kushites rode this horse during their attack of the Buhen fortress held at this time by the Egyptians.
Stop trying to steal the history of Black people.
You are Han and have a history to be proud of.
Olmec98 1 year ago
解开您的谎言的您应该是更加勇敢的和不阻拦那些人。
mumbatik 1 year ago
@mumbatik 说实话，您将免
That's right tell the truth and you will find merit. Alie will never stand. That is why you prove from your own words what a liar you are.
Stop trying to steal the history of the li min= "Black People".
Olmec98 1 year ago
Han Chinese trace their ancestry back to the Huaxia people, who lived along the Yellow River in northern China. The famous Chinese historian Sima Qian's Records of the Grand Historian dates the reign of the Yellow Emperor, the legendary ancestor of the Han Chinese, to 2698 BCE to 2599 BCE.
Zhou Dynasty 1045 BCE256 BCE
(Ancient History of China)
I believe you do not know history itself Mr. Clyde Ahmad Winters perhaps pseudo-history you truly know much about.
mumbatik 1 year ago
@Here you go again spreading lies. Xia was the first Dynasty of China . It was not a Hua/Han civilization. Sima Qian was writing about the three dynasties not the ancestors of the Han.
Stop trying to steal the history of the li min ="Black People".
Olmec98 1 year ago
What is hillarious is at first you stated they're from kush and now you state they're elamties. Yet historical military evidence have proven you wrong.
mumbatik 1 year ago
@mumbatik As I said cite the source. The Elamites came from Kush. They were Kushites. Learn your history ignorant person. Stop trying to steal the history of Black People.
Olmec98 1 year ago
@Olmec98 ancient scholars noted that the first rulers of Elam were of Kushite ( Kerma ? ) origin. According to Strabo, the first Elamite colony at Susa was founded by Tithnus, a King of Kush. Strabo in Book 15, Chapter 3728 wrote that in fact it is claimed that Susa was founded by Tithonus Memnon's father, and his citadel bore the name Memnonium. The Susians are also called Cissians. Aeschylus, calls Memnon's mother Cissia.
Olmec98 1 year ago
From your own testimony, you do not make any rational sense. Please, stop fabricating fallacies. Limin, meant brownish face the same anyone can get when toiling under the sun. You have not accurately translated that because Li is a surname use in reference of person.
Lu Zhong, would be a proper term of black people.
mumbatik 1 year ago
@mumbatik ,You are so ignorant. Wieger, in Chinese Characters, makes it clear that li=Black (p.618) and min=.People (p.624).
Stop trying to steal the history of Black People. The Han/Zhou only enter China after 1000 BC.
Olmec98 1 year ago
The earliest chariot burial site in China, discovered in 1933 at Hougang, Anyang of central China's Henan Province, dates to the rule of King Wu Ding of the late Shang Dynasty (ca. 1200 BC)
(Ancient Chinese History)
The first certain attestation of chariots in the Hittite Empire dates to the late 17th century BC (Hattusili I). A Hittite horse training text survives, attributed to Kikkuli the Mitanni (15th century BC)
(History of Ancient Near East)
Hittites are not Elamites.
mumbatik 1 year ago
@mumbatik Finally you state real history. This is much later than the date you gave for the first Chinese chariot.
The Mitanni were not Hittite. You are such an ignorant person.
Olmec98 1 year ago
I am ignorant of history? Please cite to me when 'you're so called kushites rode chariots to the middle kingdom/central kingdom, china'. Funny, the assyrians were first introduce chariots by the hittites.
I have cited facts to you and yet none were refuted by facts from you.
I am verse in military science and history since it is in my realm of profession. Limin, do you even know how to speak classical chinese?
mumbatik 1 year ago
@mumbatik Ha, ha you are a master of lies. the dating of theHorse Period in African history dates back to 1500 BC The painting and engravings of chariots in Africa date back to 1500 BC. The dating of the Horse period in the Africa isnow pushed back to 1500 BC. this is 300 years before we see chariots and writing in China.
Stop trying to steal the history of Black people.
This factor alone
Olmec98 1 year ago
@mumbatik Since you claim you know Chinese your mistranslation of li min shows what an ignorant liar you are.
You are so ignorant. Wieger, in Chinese Characters, makes it clear that li=Black (p.618) and min=People (p.624).
Olmec98 1 year ago
This is an account after the fall of xia:
Some of those Xia people who fled northward and westward would become the Yuezhi in the west and the Huns in the north per scholar Wang Guowei.
It did not state they were black and huns are not black.
mumbatik 1 year ago
@mumbatik I don't know anything about this account so I can't make a comment but there were black Huns check out my blog bafsudralam
Olmec98 1 year ago
Eurasia Haplogroup A has been observed as A1 in Caucasian men in England. As A3b2, it has been observed with low frequency in Asia Minor, Aegean, and the Middle East.
(Oxford university genetics department and supported also from dna analysis in the areas mentioned)
Your erronous statement of khoisans dna makes me doubt your own credentia as a professor of history.
N mtdna haplogroups mutated from L3 mtdna haplogroup.
mumbatik 1 year ago
@mumbatik I already know you know nothing about history because the Cro-Magnon people carried haplogroup N, which is also carried by Khoisan. You are a fraud an ignorant person
Olmec98 1 year ago
I know for a fact that my people have used the chariot as far back as 1600bce. Only at that time is when egypt has been introduced to chariots by hyksos.
The kushite have not had chariots prior to this time period also.
The xia culture had existed from 2600bce to 1600bce. From your claim alone, what you said is not possible.
mumbatik 1 year ago
@mumbatik There is no evidence that people in China rode chariots until the Blacks from Elam entered China. Also, please cite an article an article stating that the Mongoloid people had chariots before they were introduced from the west.
The Hyksos were not Chinese. If you remember the Hyksos and Kushites were very close. In addition their is evidence that even before the Hyksos Kushites were riding horses.
You are ignorant of history.
Olmec98 1 year ago
Southeast asian*
mumbatik 1 year ago
I know chinese history and east/sout east asian history. It is my peoples past, culture, and accomplishment you're theading to.
mumbatik 1 year ago
@mumbatik Who are your people. If they are Chinese they cliam their ancestors were Hua/Han.
The Hua/Han came to China as the Zhou=1000bce.
The original Chinese were 'li min'=Black people. Don;t read history? If you did you would know this is true.
You are ignorant of history. Stop trying to steal the history of the li min=Black People.
Olmec98 1 year ago
Pertaining to DNA, I am aware that any decendants would carry the genetic markers of your claim. yet none are found.
mumbatik 1 year ago
@mumbatik we can not use contemporary Chinese to discover past connections between the Xia and contemporary Chinese because the present Chinese are decendants of the Hua/Han people of Zhou times. The Zhou entered China after 1000 BC. The Xia and other groups were in Chin at least 1500-2000 years befor the Han/Hua came on the scene.
You need to study Chinese history before you make wild claims here.
Olmec98 1 year ago
In regard of your sources, are they not out of date? Are you aware of african black slaves in china (castrated so not to breed) are present in antiquities.
I'm certain anyone can find such sources in the information age of ours.
Are you certain that the negroids/black africans is not refering to pygmies/aborigines.
mumbatik 1 year ago
@mumbatik you're very ignorant the existence of negro skeletons in China proves the ancient presence of Blacks. In fact they predate any evidence of Black slaves being taken to China during the Muslim period, or mongoloid people generally. Do you know Chinese. If you did you would know that the name for the ancient Chinese was li min "Black People". They were called Black people because they were not Han or Hua people, who first entered China during Zhou Dynasty.
Olmec98 1 year ago
Olmec98, you and I know the xia is still under debate as a dynasty and thus far no dna has been extracted.
mumbatik 1 year ago
@mumbatik you don't know what you're talking about I discuss the alleged Xia dynasty in my video. Researchers are clear that the Xia dynasty existed.
Olmec98 1 year ago
Olmec98, note that the oldest ydna of any people are that of khoisans and other tribes collectively the bushmen of africa. They in fact still lives this day, do you need references for this data?
Are they related to black africans as mutated dna offsprings or siblings?
mumbatik 1 year ago
@mumbatik Khoisan are just one of the varied african tribes like the pygmies, bantu and etc.
Olmec98 1 year ago
@mumbatik (uploader) K.C. Chang, The archaeology of ancient China, (Yale University Press:New Haven,1977: p.76) mentions negro skeletons founat Chingliengang. The Chingliengang culture is often referred to as the Ta-wen-k'ou (Dawenkou) culture of North China. The presence of Negroid skeletal remains at Dawenkou sites make it clear that Negroes were still in the North China, in addition to South China. It was these Negroes/Blacks who founded Xia civilization
Olmec98 1 year ago
@mumbatik Yes they are related. In fact it was these people who took hg N to Europe. The Khoisan never entered eastern Eurasia.
The first Blacks to enter East Asia, were the Australians. But most of these people went to Australia. Most of the Black ancestors of the contemporary Asians were pygmies. The ancestors of the Xia came from Africa and were chariot riding Kushites.
Olmec98 1 year ago
Really, I find that hard to believe olmec98.
Last I've spoke to my kinsmen (a professor in UP), genetic evidence states otherwise from as far back to the Shang Dynasty.
Could it be that the africans you refer to are the bushmen?
mumbatik 1 year ago
@mumbatik please post a paper which reports on the extraction on dna from Xia skeletons
Olmec98 1 year ago
And what were the genetic markers of the xia?
mumbatik 1 year ago
@mumbatik we don't have any ancient dna
Olmec98 1 year ago
where these people recent African migrants or were they there since the movement out of Africa?
Mr1700 2 years ago
The Xia came from the West according to Chinese tradition. Naturally they would be recent Africans.
Olmec98 2 years ago
Skeletons and skulls proved everything,majority of the ancient skulls discovered in northern china were mongoloid,only a few were belonged to caucasoid,austrialian and african,and they were believed to be belonged to the slaves who were captured during the wars.but there are exceptional cases,the skeletons of shandong dongyi were belonged to the proto polynesians while the skeletons of the southeast were similar to modern southeastAsians
meticulous3 2 years ago 12
Negroid skeletons dating to the early periods of Southern Chinese history have been found in Shangdong, Jiantung, Sichuan, Yunnan, Pearl River delta and Jiangxi especially at the initial sites of Chingliengang (Ch'ing-lien-kang) and Mazhiabang (Ma chia-pang) phases ( see: K.C. Chang, The archaeology of ancient China, (Yale University Press:New Haven,1977) p.76) . The Chingliengang culture is often referred to as the Dawenkou culture of North China. This puts Negroes in North China as well
Olmec98 2 years ago
lovepeace360...
perhaps you should read thru some of the entries I provide on my youtube homepage...
funkcity1000 2 years ago
were is the mtDNA evidence for this early migration into china.
princecharming161 2 years ago
Also if you want DNA evidence go to BBC News & type in:
DNA traces Chinese back to Africa
There is a article all about DNA of chinese tracing back to africans. Good day
NubiansRuledTheWorld 2 years ago
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princecharming161 2 years ago
all people can trace there blood to africa if you back far enough lol.
princecharming161 2 years ago
True, exactly. So then exactly when do the current form of chinese people come into existence??? Cause its obvious that arficans had to leave africa & populate the rest of the world finding new lands. So when do you think they changed from looking like regular africans to current form chinese people??? That doesn't happen over night you know that right, that change
NubiansRuledTheWorld 2 years ago
it happend long before asia had a civilization the mongoliod people made those bronze works and great wooden temples.
they gave your people who had nothing more then some big rock wall in the
15tt pottery and glass and they got there in the 600 foot long junks.
who has the poorest economy in the world.
princecharming161 2 years ago
15th century oops
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princecharming161 2 years ago
This is a stupid comment. There were already Africans trading in China when Chang Ho made his way to Africa. These African merchants and sailors came in their own boats from the Zanji cities like Malinda.
You would know this if you bothered to study history. Your comments betry your jealousy of Black/ African people. Europeans could not venture on the open seas because they believed the world was flat assume African people were ignorant also. Classical and Chinese records show they were not.
Olmec98 2 years ago
True. But we are talking about the Africans who founded the Xia dynasty.
Olmec98 2 years ago
Its real simple. By claiming Africans founded the first Chinese dynasty, you are doing a disservice to African culture. If They were "African" and they migrated to the Huang He valley, the cease to become African. There is always a syncretic mix of culture when migration is involved, but the fact is the Xia, Shang, Chou, and everything after is CHINESE. Why? BECAUSE IT'S IN CHINA. It is CHINESE culture and history, regardless of where these people were from.
prinznevsky 2 years ago
Not really it just provides an acurate view of history. The ancient model of history taught by the Classical scholars made it clear that African people founded civilizations in Africa and Asia. The discussion of the Xia dynasty only confirms what they wrote about.
Olmec98 2 years ago
retort: history is never truly accurate. It is only based on what we have as evidence, and the prism of our modern understanding and bias to see it through. there is no concrete evidence of africans in neolithic china, inasmuch as there is no concrete eveidence to the contrary
prinznevsky 2 years ago
You sound silly. The sources for my post are mentioned in the film. This is the evidence. Textual evidence is not determined by modern lenses it is based on translation of these text which make it clear the Xia were Africans.
Olmec98 2 years ago
Moreover, if you knew Chinese history you would know that it is a history of different groups entering China and taking over the government. The contemporary Chinese for example are of Han and Hau background. These people date back to Zhou invasion. The Zhou (Chou) as taught by traditional Chinese history were not the first civilizers of China.
Again, this is a silly argument. Europeans took over America. This history is both American and European just like Xia history relates to Af & China.
Olmec98 2 years ago
If a group of Scadanavian people decided to migrate to Africa in antiquity, and bring their culture with them , and, most importantly, stayed to populate, THEY WOULDN'T BE SCANDANAVIAN. Please do not confuse the idea of a national/regional identity with with a defining constant. Humans are syncretic by nature, be it art, language, or humanity. Whether or not the Xia dynasty was founded by peoples from Africa is not the point. The point is that it is a CHINESE event.
prinznevsky 2 years ago
This is incorrect. Europeans settle the North American continent. They now dominate but history teaches us that Native Americans were here when they arrived. We call these Europeans Americans but we still acknowlede where they originated: i.e., Britain, France and etc. Granted the European settlement is an American event but it does not take away the fact that it is a part of European history.
Olmec98 2 years ago
retort: what is incorrect? the settlement/conquest of the western hemisphere is a s much about the indigenous population and their story as much as it is about the europeans
prinznevsky 2 years ago
Correct. The same is true of China. The modern Han people only entered the area as noted in their own textual material with the Zhou.The Zhou reach China after 1200BC
Olmec98 2 years ago
As much as the Conquista is/was an AMERICAN (NOT U.S.A.) event, by the very nature of its' happening. Your theory is (with what scant relevance to African culture) intriguing, but you obviously are more interested in exacting a modern political agenda grounded in the inequality experienced by African peoples at the hands of non-Africans for the last 600 years then you are about promoting a rational rethink of history.
prinznevsky 2 years ago
This is an illogical conclusion. You acknowledge that the Conquista event was important in history. Without these Spanish explorers we would not have Mexico, Peru and etc. today. Their presence resulted in political change but ultimately it is historical in nature.
African people being exploited is only relevant to former slaves. Africa was only colonized in 1899 and independent by the 1970's.
As a result, if we can discuss Spain in America, why not Africans in China?Both events happened.
Olmec98 2 years ago
retort: what is an illogical conclusion? what do you mean by "ultimately it was historical in nature"? ultimately the "nature" of the "history" of african peoples in china was obviously so important, that the chinese mentioned it, but even then, 'tis "only historical in nature"..."african people being exploited is only relevant to former slaves"? huh? africa was only colonized in 1899?? WHATT!!!??? I apologize for my incredulity, you seem to have missed a few hundred years of recorded history
prinznevsky 2 years ago
Name one country in Africa Europeans controlled before 1899. Even the slave trade on the African side was dominated by Africans--not Europeans.
You can't ignore the fact Europeans live in the America, neither ca we deny the African origin of Xia.
Olmec98 2 years ago
uh, the portugese dominated the coasts of africa starting in the 140's. they christianized (nominally) the areas of the congo, including certain local rulers. this is not my point. my point is that you have no basis for the fact that africans were in china as much as you have the basis for the fact that israelites were in north america at the same time
prinznevsky 2 years ago
Ah history. The Portuguese traded with African leaders but they did not dominate the country
Olmec98 2 years ago
One final thought...
What about the "Jewish" African tribe (I forget the name, look 'em up), who had DNA tests done and were proven to be of the Cohenim matrilineal DNA? Would that mean that one of the "lost tribes" of Israel were actually responsible for the formation of an "African" people, and their Identity?
prinznevsky 2 years ago
Most Black scholars would see nothing wrong with this Af hist makes it clear that Hebrew people established many colonies thrughout Africa. Black scholars see the original Hebrews as Blacks, since they originated in Egypt which we recognize as a Black country. Most Black scholars do not recognize contemporary Jews as representative of the original Hebrew people.
Olmec98 2 years ago
so wears the mt DNA evidence for this.
and just how old are the bones because even homo erectus had Asian features.1938-30 sums it up old outdated research part of history is testing your theory with new evidence.
princecharming161 2 years ago
the article is from 1998
NubiansRuledTheWorld 2 years ago
what article the one from the 30s.
like i siad no pottery,weapons or recent DNA that can betraced directly from africa.
one or two skelatons people cant agree on is hardely proof when compared to the proof that mongoliods developed there own civilization.
at i dont trust this vid becuase his last one siad using biased out dated data they found olmec bones when it was not olmec but zapotec.
princecharming161 2 years ago
If we have one or two skeletons dating back to that period and they are not Chinese tells us a lot. What it tells us is that the ancient Chinese during this period were negroid not mongoloid like contemporary Chinese.
Dr. Wiercinski analyzed the Olmec bones from Tlatilco and Cerro de Mesas and found Africans. There were no Zapotec at this site why do you make up stories to satisfy your racist imagination?
Olmec98 2 years ago
Whenever there is an argument that a certain society or country was founded by a race of people that are not native to that part of the world, it is based on sketchy facts, without providing a lot of information on how significant their effects were, or an explanation of why the founders are no longer found anywhere near the area.
Just because there may have been blacks (or even whites) in ancient China does not prove that China was not founded by the Chinese
princecharming161 2 years ago
You are very stupid. I have provided textual Chinese evidence concerning their African-ness and examples from their language. You are making conjectural statements that lack any foundation. In addition, you present not evidence supporting your position. Why in the world do you insist on making a fool of yourself.
Olmec98 2 years ago
Don't argue with that neanderthal he can't take facts for facts..as he's already made a RANT video about you..I notice all he can do is provide opinions while ignoring our references we recite to him.
LOL There's a saying "If it ain't white it ain't right"
And I firmly believe he has let that ideology stain his already calcified and depraved pineal gland.
Judging from his appearance he looks like a stupid kike..we already know the kikes speak with forked tongues 24/7
AnarcissusRising 2 years ago
Kwang-chih Chang, writing in the 4th edition of Archaeology of ancient China (1986) wrote that: by the beginning of the Recent (Holocene) period the population in North China and that in the southwest and in Indochina had become sufficiently differentiated to be designated as Mongoloid and OCEANIC NEGROID races respectively
NubiansRuledTheWorld 2 years ago
so the best evidence you have is obscure skeletal remains from the 30s why no more new evidence like mt DNA or mummys or left behind junk from there travels.
something tells me your not being honest becuase i know the olmec bones in your last vid were from monte alban and were not even olmec.
princecharming161 2 years ago
You are very ignorant. Skeletal remains do not change because they are reported in an paper--they remain the same. African artifacts found among Xia include red-and-black ware, writing, and etc.
Olmec98 2 years ago
You are the dishonest and ignorant one. The African skeletons I am talking about came from the Olmec levels of Tlatilco and Cerro de Mesas. You don't know what you're talking about so I will no longer communicate with you.
Olmec98 2 years ago
those little carvings dont look african and there well known to be chinese lol notice how all the names are chinese.
great zimbawbe is nothing compared to china and timbuktu was started by berbers. zulus lived in huts and nubians came into contact with egypt wich wasent all black but a mixture of maney people.
and you want us to beleive that china was started by the poorest race with IQS of mostly 80.
princecharming161 2 years ago
IQ test mean nothing, explain why africans who come to america recieve there degrees at a higher rate & faster then any other race? And now egypt was a mixture of many races huh LMAO, funny cause they say in there own words that they came from the beginning of the nile where the god happi dwells. Do you even know where that is. Not to mention all the melanin tests that were done but no one wants to acknowledge that cause it crushes the same BS theory your trying to portray now LMAO. Carry on
NubiansRuledTheWorld 2 years ago
they recieve there degrees becuase there apart of a rare minority that wants to and has the means to escape the hell hole of a third world. the nile is in egypt and starts in sudan and happi is a transvisdite.
princecharming161 2 years ago
But you just said they are have the lowest IQ's meaning they are dumb right, yet they get the most degree's at the fastest rate LMAO. Contradiction.....And the nile river doesn't start at sudan LMAO, it starts in 2 different places. In ethiopia & uganda, step your geography game up
NubiansRuledTheWorld 2 years ago
Your comments are very ignorant. First of all many Europeans live in shacks little better than huts in West Virginia and Kentucky. The skeletal remains of the first Chinese are of Negro people, not Chinese.F. Weidenreich in Bull. Nat. Hist. Soc. Peiping 13, (1938-30) noted that the one of the earliest skulls from north China found in the Upper Cave Zhukoudien, was Negroid (p.163).
Olmec98 2 years ago
K.C. Chang, The archaeology of ancient China, (Yale University Press:New Haven,1977: p.76) mentions negro skeletons founat Chingliengang. The Chingliengang culture is often referred to as the Ta-wen-k'ou (Dawenkou) culture of North China. The presence of Negroid skeletal remains at Dawenkou sites make it clear that Negroes were still in the North China, in addition to South China. It was these Negroes/Blacks who founded Xia civilization
Olmec98 2 years ago
The Xia and Shang people referred to themselves as li min because they were black people, not because sunspots were referred to as black. The Mande people of Africa clan they belong to the Siu clan. In Chinese clan means Su.The term Si, corresponds to the name Si, applied to the Xia founders. The surname for the Xia as mentioned in the film was Si.
Olmec98 2 years ago
wow an old myth and an outdated refrence to bones no large amounts of skeletal remains or mummys,
pottery,weapons,textiles,mt DNA more recent then 200,000 years that can be traced from the west coast or egypt.
and no artifacts in africa except for ones from the 15th century already made in china and givin as trade.
princecharming161 2 years ago
The skeletons are not 200,000 years old they date to around 5-7kya. They have nothing to do with Egypt. The African artifacts found in China include writing, red-and-black ceramics and etc.
Just because a reference to skeletal remains is old does not deny what race the skeletal remains represent.
Olmec98 2 years ago
Xia and Shang skulls were 100% mongoloid
meticulous3 2 years ago 18
Wrong. They were negroid see above.The Xia and Shang were called li min In Chinese min=people and li= black (see L. Wieger, Chinese Characters 1915).The Chinese classics make it clear that the Min Li, means "Black people" . In the "Shu King", we read that "In the Canon of Yao, we discover that Yu "regulated and polished the people of his domain, who all became brightly intelligent. Finally, he united and harmonized the myriad States of the empire; and lo! The black people were transformed".
Olmec98 2 years ago
prince: Timbuctu was built by berbers? word? Damn thats a new one. I've heard it all. So Mansa Musa was a white berber? LMAo Eve see pics of the Mali Kings? lmao
TheSonsOfLight 2 years ago
thanks for posting your references... I heard similiar things but it's sticks when a bibliography is there
seechrns 2 years ago
Fair enuff
NubiansRuledTheWorld 2 years ago
is there anything you people dont steal.
princecharming161 2 years ago