@usenetposts Thankyou very much. I've just begun to learn Russian from Pimsleur and some russian grammar books off the internet of which their copyrights have expired. They did seem to suggest it was not a diphthong so I was a little confused as to how I was to properly pronounce it.
You're video's are very helpful and much appreciated
Does Russian have any consonant clusters or diphthongs? it doesn't seem like it, but just in case i'm curious to know if there are any and what they are :D thanks for these videos by the way. this is my third language i'm studying and though i can converse in the other 2 i want to Russian to be as familiar as English to me, i love love love the language :D
@hospitalcakewalk Russian has many consonant clusters, too many to list. Vzglyad is view for instance. Not many languages have more consonant clusters than that. Vowels don't tend to cluster, but instead of that you have the hard and soft double series. Occasionally, more often than not in loanwords, there may be a series of more than one vowel.
You seem to know quite a lot about several different languages! You said in your first video in the series you were a philologist... How many languages do you speak fluently?
I must thank you for taking the time to teach this beautiful language. I am learning something from every lesson and will repeat these lessons as they are enjoyable. Your friend from America.
Stupid ы and и. They seem backwards to me. You did a good job of explaining this though. now i need the voiced and unvoiced thing. I am sure you will explain it in another video and make it simple :)
I found this really interesting as I studied Linguistics and phonetics naturally fascinate me. The way you explain the vowel sets is really clear so that even people with no previous knowledge can follow. Keep up the good work!
I'm disappointed. When I saw the title "missing vowels", I was hoping you were going to talk about Ѣ, Ѫ, Ѭ, Ѧ, Ѩ and Ѥ. I'm learning Russian, and I find that these letters help me memorize the declension patterns. Maybe it's because I'm a visually-oriented learner.
Anyway, your Russian language lessons are much better than any book or audio-book I can find. They are very helpful.
Thank you. I agree that there were advantages in the pre-reformed Russian script, but they are more of use to people who speak a West Slavonic language or who wish to learn a second Slavic language and make intelligent comparisons, or for people who want more explanation of why sometimes e softens a g to a zh, etc, and sometimes doesn't, in grammar.
The course here contains asides for people of a philological bent, but still gets as much mileage as possible from simpler grammar first.
Hello! Love thed lesson, have been watching all of these and they are very very helpful! Your explanations of why things are said the way they are said is great. I have a little question: The 'o', one of those original KOMETA letters, is pronounced as "ah" as well as "oh" (as in "MOЯ", which sounds like "ah", vs the O in "KTO", which is "oh" sounding). Is there a rule for this, or is it just something to be memorized? Spisiba, danke, thanks, gracias, gratzie, domo origato, exc ; )
And if the word is one syllable, maybe it can be either...I don't know...I think the best way to learn Russian pronunciation is to actually hear the words and not just read them. A lot of the time the pronunciation is unpredictable, as in English.
I have heard that the O has an "oh" sound when it has the stress/accent of the word and then it has an "ah" when it does not have the accent. Not entirely sure if that it is true, but from what I've heard, it sounds correct.
Thank you for your comprehensive course. I'm enjoying the lessons tremendously. In this video you stress that my first language, Dutch, is an exception to the rule of hard-soft vowel distinctions. Would you say that makes it extra hard to learn Russian from Dutch?
i tried the best i could translating that text in the info and this is what i came up with: This is the sort of thing i mean everybody should be able to understand this now just keyboard to Russian letters and join . (the points mark a spot where i couldn't find the word :(
Can you make a video on how to pronounce the Jeri (bI), please? Because it is said that it is not equal to the hungaian ü, or is it? It is said to be a sound half way between i and u.
I'm sorry, but I must say that the vowel chart you show around 2:00 isn't quite correct phonetically. Phoneticists generally classify vowels as to the position of the tongue, which gives the following:
i u e o a
Lip rounding is generally not indicated as a place in vowel charts, but if two vowels share the same tongue position, but one is rounded and one is unrounded, these vowels are shown adjacent to each other.
Apart from that, your Russian pronunciation is really good.
OK, it's a model and not an exact science, and is supposed to help people to start to thing about vowels. I cannot say that the tongue is in precisely the same place for i and u in Russian, as soft i and soft u have difference places and soft i and hard U have different places. You could get away with keeping the tongue in the same place for yery and u, but I doubt whether people necessarily do have an identical position.
Moreover, your language, Dutch has such a wealth of vowels and diphthongs that the Dutch linguists usually feel that they need to enlarge on the standard scheme, but for most languages in the human family, that simply isn't necessary. Even something as out of the way as Japanese still has the basic a, i, u, e, o, placed in that order as you will be aware to reflect the bases of the consonantal verb.
I didn't mean to say that i and u have the same tongue place. I didn't realise that Youtube lumps multiple spaces into 1. So the scheme that I had in mind is something like this: i.........u ..e....o ....a bI and Y are quite different indeed as bI is a central vowel (on the front-back dimension) and Y is a back vowel. In principle, this way of plotting vowels can be used for any set of vowels, e.g. Dutch long monophthongs: i,y......u ..e,%...o ...E...O ...a..A Btw RUS = my 1st language
I agree that phonology, in the context of language learning, is not like an exact science, but your way of classifying them in the scheme you show is inconsistent in how to assign a place to a vowel: sometimes you count the lips as the place of articulation (U), sometimes the height of the tongue (I), sometimes the feeling in the throat (A?).
I hope you don't think I'm attacking you. Sorry if you felt it like that.
I accept the criticism of the diagram, but it is only meant to be a fairly crude introduction to thinking about vowels. If it were made very exact, it could be too formidable, and this is supposed to be a simple course.
Just wanted to say that you're videos are great. I've taken 2 years of Russian at my university: I believe I've learned more through your videos than from Dr. Volkov.
That's not his fault, necessarily, it's all a question of approach. Languages are best learned without too much straining and stressing, and with pleasure, entertainment and a mappable system. See my stuff about the gold list system for more on that philosophy.
Success! It's true that there's more than one way of mapping cyrillics on to English, but the excercise is anyway a great way of getting used to the alphabet prior to embarking on more specific study of Russian words and grammar.
Your footages are great! Thanks to them I can now understand a lot more about Russian language, which I´ve studied all by myself.
If you have some free time, please record something teaching us how to pronounce the sound "ы" correctly, because I still have great difficulty, in fact, I get desperate! hehehehe Maybe I´ve got a problem with my phonetic apparatus? Dunno. Anyway, congratulations on your work.
it's instead of "telezriteli" which is TV viewers, as this isn't television. Well, actually it might be TV, as I left the possibility open for my videos to be made available to mobiles and TV, but I'm assuming I'm not holding my breath to get selected for those things.
That's very kind of you. I have no objection to my footage getting aired on TV channels, I ain't gonna be putting my hand out. The disadvantage of TV is that you have no real idea of who's watching or if anyone is watching.
That's a good point, but, if you're on public TV I think a lot more people are watching. It takes less effort to flip a remote control than to do a search on something on youtube =P which is unfortunate. I don't have television for the sheer fact that I think I'd get addicted to too much junk! I prefer going online so I can just do a direct search for something intellegent.
This is the sort of thing I mean. Everybody should be able to understand to understand this now. Just switch your keyboard to Russian letters and join in the fun!
- I like the way you phonetically added the Russian accent too! Very clever.
If you are using Windows, then there is a part in the settings where you add keyboards. You then add the keyboard for Russian, and on the bottom right where it gives you "EN" you click on that and change it to "RU". If not, then you need to set it up in word using insert symbol, but that is excruciatingly slow.
I love how you seem to put SO much effort into your videos! A lot of people just speak phrases in their videos.. but you, for example in this, explained about some linguistic things! I think this is fantastic - keep them coming :)
Many thanks! I've got no intentions of stopping, that's for sure. It's just a question of available time and also the other things I want to do on this channel as well.
@usenetposts When you say "вы" and "ты" the "ы" sounds to me the same as a short "уй". Am I missing something? What is the difference?
NzappaZap 4 weeks ago
@NzappaZap "ui" is a diphthong and "y" is a pure sound.
usenetposts 4 weeks ago
@usenetposts Thankyou very much. I've just begun to learn Russian from Pimsleur and some russian grammar books off the internet of which their copyrights have expired. They did seem to suggest it was not a diphthong so I was a little confused as to how I was to properly pronounce it.
You're video's are very helpful and much appreciated
NzappaZap 2 weeks ago
Does Russian have any consonant clusters or diphthongs? it doesn't seem like it, but just in case i'm curious to know if there are any and what they are :D thanks for these videos by the way. this is my third language i'm studying and though i can converse in the other 2 i want to Russian to be as familiar as English to me, i love love love the language :D
Thanks again! :P
hospitalcakewalk 7 months ago
@hospitalcakewalk Russian has many consonant clusters, too many to list. Vzglyad is view for instance. Not many languages have more consonant clusters than that. Vowels don't tend to cluster, but instead of that you have the hard and soft double series. Occasionally, more often than not in loanwords, there may be a series of more than one vowel.
usenetposts 7 months ago
Your teaching method is unusual, but it's interesting and effective.
I am learning a lot from you
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Thanks for posting! Большое спасибо!
1rsalc 9 months ago
HULIGANOV! YA LUBYA TIBEAR!
Wish I had found your course many months ago!
existangst 10 months ago
You seem to know quite a lot about several different languages! You said in your first video in the series you were a philologist... How many languages do you speak fluently?
SuperFarmerThanMan 10 months ago
@SuperFarmerThanMan Only 5 to what I'd called fluently. But I know the structure of another 20 odd.
usenetposts 10 months ago
I must thank you for taking the time to teach this beautiful language. I am learning something from every lesson and will repeat these lessons as they are enjoyable. Your friend from America.
Hogums 1 year ago
As for the transliterating:
This is the sort of thing I mean. Everybody should be able to understand this now. Just switch your keyboard to Russian letters and join in the fun!
That's so cool!
seLkies37 2 years ago
Stupid ы and и. They seem backwards to me. You did a good job of explaining this though. now i need the voiced and unvoiced thing. I am sure you will explain it in another video and make it simple :)
UNR3S7 2 years ago
I found this really interesting as I studied Linguistics and phonetics naturally fascinate me. The way you explain the vowel sets is really clear so that even people with no previous knowledge can follow. Keep up the good work!
meandtherevolution 2 years ago 4
I'm disappointed. When I saw the title "missing vowels", I was hoping you were going to talk about Ѣ, Ѫ, Ѭ, Ѧ, Ѩ and Ѥ. I'm learning Russian, and I find that these letters help me memorize the declension patterns. Maybe it's because I'm a visually-oriented learner.
Anyway, your Russian language lessons are much better than any book or audio-book I can find. They are very helpful.
Thankyou for taking the time to post them.
gunsandbullhorns 2 years ago
Thank you. I agree that there were advantages in the pre-reformed Russian script, but they are more of use to people who speak a West Slavonic language or who wish to learn a second Slavic language and make intelligent comparisons, or for people who want more explanation of why sometimes e softens a g to a zh, etc, and sometimes doesn't, in grammar.
The course here contains asides for people of a philological bent, but still gets as much mileage as possible from simpler grammar first.
usenetposts 2 years ago
Hello! Love thed lesson, have been watching all of these and they are very very helpful! Your explanations of why things are said the way they are said is great. I have a little question: The 'o', one of those original KOMETA letters, is pronounced as "ah" as well as "oh" (as in "MOЯ", which sounds like "ah", vs the O in "KTO", which is "oh" sounding). Is there a rule for this, or is it just something to be memorized? Spisiba, danke, thanks, gracias, gratzie, domo origato, exc ; )
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k8t1345 2 years ago
not "ah" in this vord. MOYA(моя), KTO
maybe,they did "ah' sound for soft pronunciation.becouse a lot of foreigens have probliems Russian words pronunciation
andreyRUS17 2 years ago
I guess when the o is unstressed it becomes an ah.
sqekcx 2 years ago
And if the word is one syllable, maybe it can be either...I don't know...I think the best way to learn Russian pronunciation is to actually hear the words and not just read them. A lot of the time the pronunciation is unpredictable, as in English.
traceuse13 2 years ago
@k8t1345
I have heard that the O has an "oh" sound when it has the stress/accent of the word and then it has an "ah" when it does not have the accent. Not entirely sure if that it is true, but from what I've heard, it sounds correct.
BlackFlame39 2 years ago
Thank you for your comprehensive course. I'm enjoying the lessons tremendously. In this video you stress that my first language, Dutch, is an exception to the rule of hard-soft vowel distinctions. Would you say that makes it extra hard to learn Russian from Dutch?
piratebaywatch 2 years ago
Only if the dam breaks.
usenetposts 2 years ago
I read your remark floating on a boat in the Rhine. Guess I should be fine any which way!
piratebaywatch 2 years ago
looking foward to the next half but gotta go to work:)
warriorlink01 3 years ago
apparantly Youtube doesn't like having open spaces and points xD i'm sorry for this :( but i hope you'll still be able to correct my phrase ^^
j3p3s 3 years ago
i tried the best i could translating that text in the info and this is what i came up with: This is the sort of thing i mean everybody should be able to understand this now just keyboard to Russian letters and join . (the points mark a spot where i couldn't find the word :(
j3p3s 3 years ago
This is the sort of thing i mean everybody should be able to understand this now just switch you keyboard to Russian letters and join in the fun!!!!
NICEEE
andresdrk 3 years ago
Can you make a video on how to pronounce the Jeri (bI), please? Because it is said that it is not equal to the hungaian ü, or is it? It is said to be a sound half way between i and u.
Lalli1987 3 years ago
the sound does not appear in Hungarian. There is a video on yery. It is included in this series. It is in Turkish, but not Hungarian.
usenetposts 3 years ago
I'm sorry, but I must say that the vowel chart you show around 2:00 isn't quite correct phonetically. Phoneticists generally classify vowels as to the position of the tongue, which gives the following:
i u e o a
Lip rounding is generally not indicated as a place in vowel charts, but if two vowels share the same tongue position, but one is rounded and one is unrounded, these vowels are shown adjacent to each other.
Apart from that, your Russian pronunciation is really good.
linguistmuz 3 years ago
OK, it's a model and not an exact science, and is supposed to help people to start to thing about vowels. I cannot say that the tongue is in precisely the same place for i and u in Russian, as soft i and soft u have difference places and soft i and hard U have different places. You could get away with keeping the tongue in the same place for yery and u, but I doubt whether people necessarily do have an identical position.
usenetposts 3 years ago
Moreover, your language, Dutch has such a wealth of vowels and diphthongs that the Dutch linguists usually feel that they need to enlarge on the standard scheme, but for most languages in the human family, that simply isn't necessary. Even something as out of the way as Japanese still has the basic a, i, u, e, o, placed in that order as you will be aware to reflect the bases of the consonantal verb.
usenetposts 3 years ago
linguistmuz 3 years ago
Sorry, the second scheme was meant to be:
i,y.......u
..e,%....o
....a
I agree that phonology, in the context of language learning, is not like an exact science, but your way of classifying them in the scheme you show is inconsistent in how to assign a place to a vowel: sometimes you count the lips as the place of articulation (U), sometimes the height of the tongue (I), sometimes the feeling in the throat (A?).
I hope you don't think I'm attacking you. Sorry if you felt it like that.
linguistmuz 3 years ago
I accept the criticism of the diagram, but it is only meant to be a fairly crude introduction to thinking about vowels. If it were made very exact, it could be too formidable, and this is supposed to be a simple course.
usenetposts 3 years ago
Спасибо!
dkg0 3 years ago
Виктор Дмитриевич, а зачем вы говорите с русским акцентом? Вы же можете и без акцента, как в анекдоте про "шлепок по заднице" :)
pmf026 3 years ago
But what would be the point of doing these lessons in an American accent?
usenetposts 3 years ago
Just wanted to say that you're videos are great. I've taken 2 years of Russian at my university: I believe I've learned more through your videos than from Dr. Volkov.
dracsweety 3 years ago
That's not his fault, necessarily, it's all a question of approach. Languages are best learned without too much straining and stressing, and with pleasure, entertainment and a mappable system. See my stuff about the gold list system for more on that philosophy.
usenetposts 3 years ago
Окэй ай уыл гив ит а трай фор фан олзоу ит сымз хардр ту райт зис уэй зан ит из ту рыд.
(Олсоу ай ам аншор ов уич лэтрз ту уз фор сертан саундз).
Ай лав юр видиоуз анд май Рашн из сертанлы мэйкинг проугрэс уиз юр хэлп. Спасибо!
ПС. Форгив эний мистэйкс :p
Balazak 4 years ago
Success! It's true that there's more than one way of mapping cyrillics on to English, but the excercise is anyway a great way of getting used to the alphabet prior to embarking on more specific study of Russian words and grammar.
usenetposts 3 years ago
That's some funky writing man:-)
pmf026 2 years ago
you are a very good teacher!!!
Vy ochen kharasho uchetil!
musikeradaw 4 years ago 5
Privet iz Brazilii!!!
Your footages are great! Thanks to them I can now understand a lot more about Russian language, which I´ve studied all by myself.
If you have some free time, please record something teaching us how to pronounce the sound "ы" correctly, because I still have great difficulty, in fact, I get desperate! hehehehe Maybe I´ve got a problem with my phonetic apparatus? Dunno. Anyway, congratulations on your work.
Poka
mau30br 4 years ago
I heard your true accent coming out when you said "other then dutch"
Farzinff 4 years ago
well spotted.
usenetposts 4 years ago
Mr Huliganov, what does Videozriteli mean?
Yardana28 4 years ago
it's instead of "telezriteli" which is TV viewers, as this isn't television. Well, actually it might be TV, as I left the possibility open for my videos to be made available to mobiles and TV, but I'm assuming I'm not holding my breath to get selected for those things.
usenetposts 4 years ago
I think you should get your own TV show, you're hilarious!
Yardana28 4 years ago
That's very kind of you. I have no objection to my footage getting aired on TV channels, I ain't gonna be putting my hand out. The disadvantage of TV is that you have no real idea of who's watching or if anyone is watching.
usenetposts 4 years ago
That's a good point, but, if you're on public TV I think a lot more people are watching. It takes less effort to flip a remote control than to do a search on something on youtube =P which is unfortunate. I don't have television for the sheer fact that I think I'd get addicted to too much junk! I prefer going online so I can just do a direct search for something intellegent.
Yardana28 4 years ago
Me too.
usenetposts 4 years ago
Wow, this video just sort of made me understand why there are accents with the vowel paradigms of many languages.
I noticed that you pronounce words like "earlier" like "yearlier" - and I realize it's actually softer on the voice!
qqqqssssxxxx 4 years ago
This is the sort of thing I mean. Everybody should be able to understand to understand this now. Just switch your keyboard to Russian letters and join in the fun!
- I like the way you phonetically added the Russian accent too! Very clever.
I'm loving your lessons Viktor!
Howitzer909 4 years ago
Glad you like, keep watching!
usenetposts 4 years ago
How can i type in russian using my keyboard...what codes would i have to use alt+???
ItsAhBrushNotAhWand 4 years ago
If you are using Windows, then there is a part in the settings where you add keyboards. You then add the keyboard for Russian, and on the bottom right where it gives you "EN" you click on that and change it to "RU". If not, then you need to set it up in word using insert symbol, but that is excruciatingly slow.
usenetposts 4 years ago
interesting lesson hugo....more russian vowels ;p i shall see the next lesson :)
lordmoggy 4 years ago
No-one needs this spamming vandalism. Go waste your time somewhere else.
usenetposts 4 years ago
I love how you seem to put SO much effort into your videos! A lot of people just speak phrases in their videos.. but you, for example in this, explained about some linguistic things! I think this is fantastic - keep them coming :)
Cognitive 4 years ago
Many thanks! I've got no intentions of stopping, that's for sure. It's just a question of available time and also the other things I want to do on this channel as well.
usenetposts 4 years ago
Большое спасибо за информацию. Вы очень добры. Я благодарен Вам за помощь. Спасибо. Мне бы хотелось побывать в вашей стране.
--- WilsDomain
wilsdomain 4 years ago
You're very welcome.
usenetposts 4 years ago
I love this guy, спасибо за всё.
ianflymen 4 years ago
uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu arrrrrrrrrre goooooood
ssips720 4 years ago
Thank you!
prolegirl 4 years ago
Heh. Maybe. :P
Talietzin 5 years ago
This is the sort of thing I mean. Everybody should be able to understand this now. Just switch your keyboard to Russian letter and join in the fun!
Fun indeed. XD
Talietzin 5 years ago
Well done. In due course I may have to remove that comment though as it gives the game away!
usenetposts 5 years ago
Great! I am ready for the exam! When is it?
knagenhjelm 5 years ago
Whenever you go there!
usenetposts 5 years ago
thanks sir for posting
akoanani 5 years ago
My pleasure. Part 2 of this is on its way, by the way.
usenetposts 5 years ago