"Dead-to-the-spirit deluded "God Delusion" author & blithering fool scientist goon Richard Dawkins another "leader" given to the profane masses is another useful idiot for Jesuit machinations"-C.O.
Jesuitical: pertaining to the Jesuits or their principals; designing; cunning; deceitful; prevaricating
The Jesuits completely altered the education system to suit their Evo-Hoax agenda to discredit the Bible. They cant have a Satanic society of 'Do as Thou Wilt' if people still follow the Bible.
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If you try to do away with religion because it is a "mental disorder" then doesn't it make sense to also do away with mentally retarded people, or at least lock them up so they don't get in the way of the atheist agenda? Why can't you just let people believe what they want to believe and leave it at that? If one happens to love broccoli does that give one the right to do away with those who don't like broccoli? This Rational Response organization wreaks of intolerance and hate.
@BachScholar Will do, if the believers also let other people believe and especially do as they want. But since their organizations are constantly lobbying for legislature in accordance with the demands of their imaginary sky daddy, that simply is not an option.
@BachScholar Nobody wants a mental disorder. A mental disorder is different from a mental psychosis. Both are different from Mental retardation (whichever form you mean).
This is why you mustn't over generalise mental issues when you don't understand them. Basically I just want you to understand - I can see the point you are trying to make, but your metaphor doesn't work.
Jesus wasn't born on Christmas. Christmas was originally celebrated to overlap pagan celebrations, i.e. mithras, saturnalia. Your religion tries to destroy any other beliefs and\or claim them as their own. too... lame.
@JackieSweetlips That's jumping the gun a bit. I'm an atheist but I love Christmas. For me it isn't about worshipping the birth of a man who may or may not have existed, but about spending time with my family and friends and embracing the warmth and sparkle that the season brings. To say that all atheists hate christmas is ignorant.
Does anybody know the name of the NY Times article Kelly mentions at 45:15? The one about all the ways religious people have found to get around laws to get money?
@chropose according to Reed Braden of the blog Unorthodox Atheism Brian Sapient and Kelly tried to start a rumor Richard Dawkins was having an affair with a new member of his staff.
Apparently RRS were mad at Richard Dawkins Foundation because Dawkins's group was trying to distance themselves from the RRS, which is why the rumor started
@chropose apparently afterwards, Brian began to diss richard dawkins foundation and it went on more and more and finally just let off since he wasn't getting attention
It's not so much that schools don't try to teach evolution, but that there are so many quasi-religious organizations, like the Discovery Institute, that do so much to pollute the literature, bribe scientists, and anything else they can think of, immoral or not, to thwart the teaching of evolution.
Given that atheists are unwilling to stoop to dishonesty and fraud we're fighting an uphill battle against an enemy willing to deploy vastly more powerful weapons.
The visible marks of extraordinary wisdom and power appear so plainly in all the works of the creation that a rational creature, who will but seriously reflect on them, cannot miss the discovery of a Deity. --- John Locke
My (comic) example below also commits fallacy of virtue; despite Tipler having status and reputation he's not necessarily correct- I merely imply that he IS because of his credentials.
This faulty logic is rife throughout the God Delusion. My point is that if Rich wants to argue Judaism, do it in Aramaic Hebrew; Koine Greek for Xianity,; and Arabic for Islam (ie. do Theology). Find inconsistencies within religions themselves; don't just call them "delusional" and expect a clap
Hi, thanks for the comprehensive reply. I think we should limit my earlier request and just discuss one example to avoid being blocked. So i will reply about the straw man example when i have thought about it, but i'll also look at the other stuff you've given me.
Thanks again for your help, i really enjoyed the book and its useful to get another take on it because i really want to understand it properly. Talk to you soon.
Here is a similar argument/example; the Judeo-Christian resurrection of the dead is a (proven) scientific certainty- since
1. Scientists use logic and observable phenomena to construct theoretical explanations of the world.
2. I recently talked to Frank Tipler (head of Maths AND Physics at Tulane University) who formulated the scientific formula for the physical resurrection of the dead at the end of time.
3. conclusion= Tipler is a 'smashing' scientist, and resurrection is a fact= EPIC FAIL.
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I think this theory is completely ludicrous there is absolutely no evidence to support your comment. Education is what is lacking in your comment. Science and religion cannot be written in the same sentence because one contridicts the other.
please read my comments again. FOLLOW THE LOGIC. Are you denying that Frank Tipler (actually, physically) wrote such an equation?
Of course the above statement was ludicrous, IT DEMONSTRATES AN EXAMPLE OF FALSE LOGIC; whether the statement is true or not is entirely another matter.
Why do people have such problems understanding logic?!?! :'(
And no science and religion do not always contradict, particularly forms of Buddhism (atheistic, denies the supernatural).
Sure. Dawkins claims observant Jews are discouraged from marrying people from other religions. I agree with this statement (from a theological P.O.V.), HIS logic is
1. Jewish marriage procedures are outlined in Torah, Talmud, and especially in Mishnah Kiddushin ; e.g. Deuteronomy 22:28
2. Here are three observant Jews.
3. Conclusion= Since they are 'observant' Jews, the words of just 3 individuals give weight (proof) to his argument.
-I agree with Dawkins statement, but this logic is faulty
Some of us atheists celebrate it kinda ~well, maybe not for the same reason as christian theists. i like holidays and gift giving and out of the ordinary stuff from time to time. T.T O.o Hey, lets call it: Winter-holidays4Everbody
and there lets add some more holidays throughout the year. We (ATHEISTS) NEED MORE HOLIDAYS !!!
I havn't scratched the surface. I also do not want to be blocked for posting large segments (as has happened in the past, and will not do so further without further interest, or at least a thumbs up!) :)
- I do not disagree with Dawkins, but I do think that he is sloppy. He just has faulty arguments that people then go on to call "rational".
Actually there is another group of people that will get offended when I to ridicule their choice. Windows- and Macintosh freaks will get seriously offended (even so called professional IT personnel) when I show how fucked up their belief in those really is. It comes near religious rage.
(F. of virtue cont) Dawkins states that religious scientists (to date) are hard to find and that there are correlations to show a negative relation between education level and religiosity. Basically, most intelligent people are atheists and therefore probably right; i would respond yes, because they are scientists and not theologians- they spend less time on the topic of God. Once upon a time most 'intelligent' people thought earth was flat; they weren't right; collective belief is not a proof
... be a bad thing- not by arguing Swinburne's point, but by implying that if 'higher ranking' theologians (say, in the British Academy) could not answer a particular question, then no theologian (for lack of prestige, reputation, ability) should be asked for their opinion since they have 'nothing' to offer. Essentially, if you're not a leading (scientific) academic, shut your mouth - what ever happened to standing on the shoulders of giants, Richard- why the bigotry, even if you're right?
Many (religious) theologians, e.g. J.H. Sobel, have provided religious accounts of how old our universe is that are in accord to the popular science account of 15 billion years- Dawkins seems unaware of this. In accordence with Dawkins disrespect for logic he commits a fallacy of virtue by association- where one buttresses a claim on the grounds that it is linked to a positively regarded group. Dawkins commits this fallacy (p.65) when he criticises Swinburne's view that too much evidence may...
(following on) it is not only evidence that counts - but interpretation of it in light of the theory that one advances; thus criticising theologians and philosophers for their use of modal logic is wrong (p.84). I would like to point out here that Dawkins does not make a great distinction between religious people (who believe religious rhetoric), theologians (who, not necessarily believing, explore religious polemic), and students of Religious Studies (pursuing the academic study of religion)
i contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.
Yeah, it's easy to wish he could debate with someone not existing at the moment. It's easy to wish like empty wishes like that. It's easy to wish. It's all about wishing isn't it? :) I wish that, I wish this, I believe in this, I believe in that... always within the same level of visions. Always running away from facts and reason. That is so sad and dangerous. Well... :)
Think about it like this... If Jesus debated Dawkins, that means Jesus resurrected, and therefore proves Jesus right. How then can Dawkins debate Jesus on miracles, if the presence of Jesus itself is a miracle! Anyways, Jesus would never debate Dawkins, and if he did, this would have to occur after someone fills Jesus in on the latest scientific discoveries. Otherwise, he wont know ANYTHING about what Dawkins is saying.
"god" was created by man @ a time when we new nothing about anything...
we started polytheistic, then that began to seem silly..a god for everything..so we for the most part moved to monotheistic religion as it fit better for us..much in the same way the "new testament" is a (drastic) revision made when the old testament began to seem barbaric & chased the sheep away.
you really believe that we were born piles of crap with original sin & we go thru these riduculous rituals to cleanse
the whole notion is jus silly...do you think before the jews went to mount sinai raping and stealing and adultering before moses came down and said "thats not cool". we are given our morals from our parents!
you really think god would hate gays and birth control if he existed? or does it sound like a good way to keep the species alive?
I didn't say it wasn't religious. I said it wasn't entirely religious ("ARE YOU RETARDED?", - the irony). You are correct in stating that Bin Laden's views are justified in the Qur'an, though 9/11 did "transgress limits", which isn't sanctified.
Christmas isn't about Jesus anymore. Christmas is about spending money and buying shit. The average person celebrating Christmas doesn't give a shit about Jesus, and rightfully so.
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wrongfully so. if you dont beleive in god why do you bother doing anything. eat, drink and be marry. thats what i dont get about you athesists you worry too much about trying to convert other people to athesism like these rrs whats the point. just kill and survive, get drunk and have fun, live off your mom who cares. theres no consequensess. am i right? you can rape murder kill. theres nothing wrong with that if theres no god. i dont understand it at all.
Your defeatist attitudes about life and society just because your invisible man doesn't exist really show a lot about your character and who you truly are underneath your Christian front. I feel sorry for you.
@kja30 shortly after 17:20 one of the women talking about christian foundamentalist stated that they dont care that god is an angry tyrant in the sky. does that mean she believes that god is real?
@davidllful umm no it doesn't. She's saying that the way the christians have portrayed god, is very megalomaniacal. The god theyve written about is a tyrant yet they worship him and have no problem with the horrible things that he has done.
@kja30 I agree. These people accuse nonbelievers of being evil, immoral, and hateful yet that is exactly how they are when challenged (not all). The mere fact that disbelief makes them quiver shows how weak and pathetic their faith is, despite constantly building their faith up off the suffering of others and themselves.
you don't have to believe god to have morals if anything the belief in god lessens morals. atheist look at the world and say this is my only chance why mess it up. while a more religious man may say well if i fuck up god will forgive me. i assume by god you are referring to the christian god, in which case look at david of the old testament very immoral man but he had complete faith in god and was forgiven.
Dawkins has answered all your points in 'The God Delusion' in the chapter on morality. Why don't you read it and get enlightened? By the way, the guys who hijacked the planes and flew them into the World Trade Center, killing thousands, did it for 'religious' reasons. I'm an atheist and I wouldn't do that in a million years. So what price morality based on a twisted interpretation of religion?
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9/11 wasn't entirely for religious reasons; mainly political, hence the towers (economic) and not cathedrals (religious), etc. Dawkins' book predominantly comes from arguments based on fallacy of virtue , plagiarism, and straw man arguments. It is not scientific, it contains unsound arguments, and makes a poor theological/philosophical entreaty. Better work has been done in the past. Dawkins states that he can learn nothing from theologians; Darwin himself was a Cambridge theology graduate.
For now though; a straw man argument is basically when one 'misrepresents' another persons argument because it is easier to argue against - e.g.
Person X says "9/11 wasn't ENTIRELY religious"
Person Y says "9/11 wasn't religious? ARE YOU RETARDED?"
- Person Y has either NOT UNDERSTOOD the argument in hand, or is attempting to build up a misrepresented argument since it is easier to attack. I will illustrate how Dawkins does the same in my e-mail...
Hi, thanks for your answer. Instead of e-mailing me directly, can you carry on posting your answers here in comments if possible as it will be more instructive for me if diverse people can offer comments too.
No prob mate, but bear in mind it only allows 500 wrds per box. Some of the evidence he gives wouldn't be considered 'scientific' by any scientific standards - e.g. he uses relys on statements by "3 american Rabbis" (p.262) to argue Jewish marriage polemics, without even considering scripture. I could talk to William Carpenter (not looking at other evidence) and say that his view of a flat earth is representative of science as a whole. This is one instance of a straw man arguemnt.
thanks, and that's an interesting example (btw i would also discuss: does marriage have meaning without religion?). But i want to learn brevity so 500 words should be ok!
Can you simplify the straw man argument into a list, (sorry, I don't understand what 'jewish marriage polemics' refers to), i.e like the following:
dont get rid of christmas:S just cuz i dont belive in god doesnt mean i dont like taking advantege of christians if they are willing to give me two weeks off and presents ill take it. and christmas was not his bday it was supossed to be sometime in may
The reason christmas exists is because during the roman empire the catholic church had to convert the pagans so basically they just put a catholic holiday on the same day as the festival of the Roman god Sol Invictus (sun god) and the birth of Romulas and Remus also the Birth of Mithras another roman god
wow. close the bible and open a history book buddy. Christmas was being celebrated a long time before Christianity. it was a pagan holiday hijacked by the church to make it easier to convert people. instead of making new holidays they realized it would be far easier to just change current celebrations. there is definitive proof in historical texts about this and even the history channel did a excellent show about this. so i will repeat once more for ya, CHRISTMAS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH JESUS.
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would you celebrate it if they never turned it into a christian holiday? i dont think so becuase it wouldnt be christmas and the roman religion died down after they found out there gods didnt live on olpmypis becuase they can fly a plane up there and see no god. christmas does have somthing to do with jesus now though.its called Christmas which means (christ mass) you dont celebrate the pagan holidays do you of course not becuase that would be religious to so stop celebrateing a religous holiday
i don't celebrate it as a holy holiday at all. i look at it as a day i can gather with friends and family have a few drinks and have a good time with people i care about.
but when you celebrate it for jesus you do nothing but celebrate a lie. jesus was not born in winter. in fact most biblical scholars believe he was born sometime in the fall, most point to September. take the few minutes,do the research and come to your own conclusions. free your mind, think for yourself.
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i know jesus wasnt born in december. they dont know exactly when he was born. it just celebrates his birth. i just dont know why people who arent christians celebrate it. im a christain and i dont really celebrate it. its become too much of a secular holiday and stuff. i dont know what you mean celebrate a lie. jesus really existed and he really was the son of god. if you dont want to beleive that fine but dont push your beleifs down other peoples throughts
all i meant by "celebrate a lie" is that it is a common conception of christians that it is the literal day jesus was born. and this just isn't true, hence a lie. i wasn't trying to push my beliefs on you but to get you to take a look at information and think for yourself. i have found by looking at history and using logic you can understand why things are like they are. i digress, my point was "christmas" was a celebration of the winter solstice and was hijacked to convert people more easily.
Whatever has the possibility of non existence, yet exists, has been caused to exist. Something cannot bring itself into existence, since it must exist to bring itself into existence, which is illogical.
There cannot be an infinite number of causes to bring something into existence. An infinite regression of causes has no initial cause, which means there is no cause of existence. Since the universe exists, it must have a cause. There must be an uncaused cause of all things.
"Whatever has the possibility of non existence, yet exists, has been caused to exist."
"Since the universe exists, it must have a cause."
"There must be an uncaused cause of all things."
Why do you say everything must have a cause then use the convenient 'get out clause' of saying God doesn't. And even if there did have to be an uncaused cause, why must it be a sentient, personal God. It could be anything.
Moreover, some events micro-physics have no cause.
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Eternity is a term that we finite creatures use to express the concept of something that has no end and/or no beginning. Since God has no beginning or end, He has no beginning. This is because He is outside of time.
These are the christian teachings and If God needed to be created or caused he would not be God. I admit I don't comprehend this fully because we are in time. But we are here and I think it is a better explanation then the atheist view.
I'm afraid that is a very large "cop-out". But I can equally say that as before the big-bang time did not exist as we know it, the universe is also eternal, has no beginning and thus does not need a cause to come into existance.
This explanation does not require the invoke supernatural beings; but more to the point, again, why must it be a sentient God which is 'outside of time'. Even if there WERE a 'first mover', there is NO REASON it should be a god that listens to our prayers!
Not to mention that a God complex enough to design everything and have as much power has he does is an incredibly complex being. To simply state that your own creationist rules of 'having to have a cause' (which is false if you look at quantom theory and the movement of electrons) do not apply to this incredibly complex being is simply, as I say, a "cop-out".
The first cause is either infintely simple, ergo not God as you describe it, or required a cause by your own logic.
She a lot more than Brian's gf.She got involved with the show out of a genuine interest,and a desire to help out when RRS was just starting out.Over several months she became Brian's gf and that is VERY ancillary to what she brings to our organization.
If you listen to out shows,it quickly becomes quite evident that Kelly may well be the most intelligent of any of us.Not that I or Brian, Rook and Razor are slouches,just that she shines-and often.She's a LOT more than a pretty face. A LOT more.
teddy55555a and Tezkingkong, thanks for your strong and convincing arguments. You are such worthy representatives of the irrational expressions that are Christianity and creationism.
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Well, the hosts of the show are insultingly condescending. To the point of pompous vulagarity. I may be an Athiest, who very much agrees with Dawkins, but this was embarrassing. I just wanted Dawkins to say "Get over yourself".
Any good points the hosts may have had were undermined by their general insensitive idiocy.
I read dawkins for a sophisticated argument that makes sense.
Any regular listeners of this show will be listening for an ego trip. An "I'm so right, stupid thiests".
Oh look at you there, illustrating my point further. Yeah, capitalising 'athiest' was a typo - you'll notice the lack of capitalisation on 'thiest' at the end there.
Point is, you've just done what I accused the hosts in this video of doing; you've missed the point, and instead tried to be condescending and take humour at my expense.
The audio on this video isn't very good. If you guys could perhaps dub the actual audio from the broadcast over the video footage, that would be awesome.
...and the only reason they were believed? The were indoctrinated to. So why indoctrinate children in the first place? Why can't they choose their religion when they are adults and can reason their beliefs, untainted with religion?
Parents can not stop influencing their children's beliefs. Let's take religion out of the equation and replacing it w/ another idea such as racism, flat Earth, etc. These ideas would be considered true if children are taught believe they are. But as a sensible adult, you should evaluate your beliefs. Regardless if it is not done by most believers or not this is how it should be done. Just b/c the majority of believers choose not to do this does not make it the norm.
We all teach our children our beliefs. It's impossible not to. Atheists do it, everyone does it. I was raised in a humanistic/relativistic/Spiritualistic/Atheist home (each parent was different), and though I understood their beliefs, I needed to make my own choice.
What amazes me about this atheists is that they claim to have 100% knowledge of everything about life. They don't, any more than we believers do. They claim science as their "god" if you will, yet science has been contradicting itself forever. New theories, etc. all the time. The "proof" they want is impossible -- as it is on their end.
scientists don't believe they know 100% of everything about life.. if they knew everything they wouldn't try to learn anymore.. they're still studying though ;)
I'd like to see where he says this. If he allows for the possibility, then he should leave it alone. I agree that there are some Christians who cross the line, but we ARE FREE in this country to speak our minds and to use the system just as they are. Doesn't mean we always win, but we're free to use it, thank God!
I've heard him say otherwise, truly. He is banking of this to the point that he calls any described version to date of God a delusion. Do you not think this constitutes a denial?
No atheist I ever met claimed to know everything about life. Atheists think of science as a great tool that explained weather phenomenons and controlled diseases that you believer attributed to the wrath of your mean selfish, cruel god until you were forced to accept the overwhlming evidence.
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Our God allows much to happen, though I think it's way overused the idea that it's because of something we specifically did at a given moment. God's plan is beyond that. WE are not the center of His universe/plan by a long shot. Peace.
I know, I know....but then there's really so much to Christian theology that when we say "God's plan", it just all sounds so trite. My point was though that we are not the center of everything...it isn't really all about us in the end. Peace.
As long as people believe this life to be un-important and "eternal afterlife" all-important;mankind will never advance beyond being the primitive war-like savages that the 3 Abrahamic religions demand us to be.
Why is it that christians never preface what they have no way of knowing with "I think" or "I believe"? Also, just what the hell does your last sentence mean?
I can certainly say, "I believe" and it won't change the fact that I think it is just as true for me as for you. If it makes you feel better to hear "I believe," it makes not difference to me. Peace.
You won't lose everything, you will actually gain the world, but the one thing you will lose is your soul. God does not want you to perish, but to come to true repentance!
Science will never figure it out, you rely on evidence, we rely on faith!
A real Christian who is devoted to God, God's word, prayer & fasting will get answers as long as it's in Gods will, not ours. It's his ultimate will that will be done, not ours. Look up George Mueller, he ran an orphan house on faith alone! This was a man DEVOTED to prayer, he prayed without ceasing. This is what God calls us to do, not pray the way most people think praying actually is!
Why are you christians so certain you know what god wants of us? Do you talk with him? And why do you want everyone to believe the silly nonsense you do? The bottom line is that we all think of it as nonsense, and there is nothjing you can say to change that.
We get the word out -- you may not hear it. We understand that. Christians believe what Jesus taught. What God wants for us as individuals isn't always clear. Peace. :)
But people die for lies, scams and superstition all the time!! The most recent evidence of that was that cult where he took everyone to africa and made them poison themselves. Can't remember the name.
A lot of people tend to want to put all of their eggs in one basket cos it makes life simpler. I think dying for something is the same psychological urge.
Martyrdom & suicide are extremely different! Coming together to commit suicide for a cult is one thing, but being willing to die AFTER WITNESSING A RESSURECTED CHRIST is an entirely different story! The 11 w/the exception of John, & Judas, were persecuted & killed for their belief. They did not plan this and do it themselves!
I don't see how it's rational to base your entire belief system on something so dubious!
It's not particularly surprising that reports of divine intervention have occurred less frequently the further you go down the history of humanity! I find many different arguments for god more convincing than using historical accounts of what people did on behalf (possibly) of jesus.
It's rational to "believers" when it's based on faith. It's dubious to many because of unbelief, but not to those who believe. If you look at all the Old Testament prophecies that came to pass in extreme detail, it's almost impossible to refute it. Messiah fulfilled almost all the Old Testament prophecies that pertained to him as well. Scripture is not only our guide to life, we also see it as historical evidence.
I can only see, here or anywhere, only two kinds of evidence people posit as foolproof:
the bible is historically accurate
I had a specific experience with God
I don't personally think any other argument should persuade people. Unless we can prove the planets were made for a purpose (like with astrology) or something.
In reference to the Solar System- In the Bible, the Sun, Moon & Stars are used many times to represent nations. Especially the rise and fall of nations. Also, God would use them as a sign, like when he told Abraham that his seed would like the "stars of heaven".
And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be FOR SIGNS, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
"Martyrdom & suicide are extremely different! Coming together to commit suicide for a cult is one thing, but being willing to die AFTER WITNESSING A RESSURECTED CHRIST is an entirely different story"
Tell that to the Islamic terrorist who think they achieve myrtardom through suicied. Also, thousands of christians who never saw christ were martyred for hundreds of years.
Made you like what? Are you not responsible for your own actions? Why would you blame God for what YOU do? He made you to make your own decisions so YOU have to take responsibility for them.
I would personally say 'you endowed me with a faculty of reason, why did you not expect me to use it?'. And if god was an all perfect being, he would say 'as if i cared anyway'. By the way, another little typical logic trick which doesnt really work, if God knows everything, he knows what being me is like, and therefore agrees with me.
Atheist delusion.
Metsada007 2 weeks ago
i got my copy in a bookshop, from a big display in teh front of the store.
taht's australia for you.
taffysaur 1 month ago
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"Dead-to-the-spirit deluded "God Delusion" author & blithering fool scientist goon Richard Dawkins another "leader" given to the profane masses is another useful idiot for Jesuit machinations"-C.O.
Jesuitical: pertaining to the Jesuits or their principals; designing; cunning; deceitful; prevaricating
The Jesuits completely altered the education system to suit their Evo-Hoax agenda to discredit the Bible. They cant have a Satanic society of 'Do as Thou Wilt' if people still follow the Bible.
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TheMrgoku1985 4 months ago
Does anyone know the NY Times article series Kelly is talking about at 45:11?
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TheServiceWeb 6 months ago
If you try to do away with religion because it is a "mental disorder" then doesn't it make sense to also do away with mentally retarded people, or at least lock them up so they don't get in the way of the atheist agenda? Why can't you just let people believe what they want to believe and leave it at that? If one happens to love broccoli does that give one the right to do away with those who don't like broccoli? This Rational Response organization wreaks of intolerance and hate.
BachScholar 6 months ago
@BachScholar Will do, if the believers also let other people believe and especially do as they want. But since their organizations are constantly lobbying for legislature in accordance with the demands of their imaginary sky daddy, that simply is not an option.
TomFynn 6 months ago
@BachScholar Nobody wants a mental disorder. A mental disorder is different from a mental psychosis. Both are different from Mental retardation (whichever form you mean).
This is why you mustn't over generalise mental issues when you don't understand them. Basically I just want you to understand - I can see the point you are trying to make, but your metaphor doesn't work.
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BachScholar 6 months ago
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StargateMunky 7 months ago
athiest cabbage. do you poptarts read anything else other than shit that suits your pathetic needs?
1stLTroastabotch 11 months ago
@1stLTroastabotch That's not true. I love Christmas.
backwoodsninja 10 months ago
Atheists oppose Christmas too...lame.
JackieSweetlips 11 months ago
@JackieSweetlips That's not true. I love Christmas.
backwoodsninja 10 months ago
@JackieSweetlips
Jesus wasn't born on Christmas. Christmas was originally celebrated to overlap pagan celebrations, i.e. mithras, saturnalia. Your religion tries to destroy any other beliefs and\or claim them as their own. too... lame.
tumeg8282 9 months ago
@JackieSweetlips That's jumping the gun a bit. I'm an atheist but I love Christmas. For me it isn't about worshipping the birth of a man who may or may not have existed, but about spending time with my family and friends and embracing the warmth and sparkle that the season brings. To say that all atheists hate christmas is ignorant.
TheAlexacaius 9 months ago
@JackieSweetlips and also, incase you didn't know, Christmas isn't a christian celebration. It's a pagan one.
TheAlexacaius 9 months ago
@TheAlexacaius You shut your little lips!
JackieSweetlips 9 months ago
@JackieSweetlips nice comeback.
TheAlexacaius 9 months ago
Does anybody know the name of the NY Times article Kelly mentions at 45:15? The one about all the ways religious people have found to get around laws to get money?
noonej 1 year ago
lol, im listening to Gorod - Disavow Your God
TruNikkaz 1 year ago
Didn't RRS and Richard dawkins get into a fight and they don't like each other?
LiIGrim 1 year ago
@LiIGrim really? where can i get any information regarding of that fight?
chropose 1 year ago
@chropose according to Reed Braden of the blog Unorthodox Atheism Brian Sapient and Kelly tried to start a rumor Richard Dawkins was having an affair with a new member of his staff.
Apparently RRS were mad at Richard Dawkins Foundation because Dawkins's group was trying to distance themselves from the RRS, which is why the rumor started
LiIGrim 1 year ago
@LiIGrim Wow wtf. Thats bad. They should have helped each other if they wanted to cleanse religion from this world, not fighting.
chropose 1 year ago
@chropose apparently afterwards, Brian began to diss richard dawkins foundation and it went on more and more and finally just let off since he wasn't getting attention
LiIGrim 1 year ago
anytime i want to read a fairytale, i pick up a religous book of secular humanism
shinesthrudarain 1 year ago
It's not so much that schools don't try to teach evolution, but that there are so many quasi-religious organizations, like the Discovery Institute, that do so much to pollute the literature, bribe scientists, and anything else they can think of, immoral or not, to thwart the teaching of evolution.
Given that atheists are unwilling to stoop to dishonesty and fraud we're fighting an uphill battle against an enemy willing to deploy vastly more powerful weapons.
ananiasacts 2 years ago
The blonde girl on the corner is itching to fuck dawkins xD
Nades129 2 years ago
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The visible marks of extraordinary wisdom and power appear so plainly in all the works of the creation that a rational creature, who will but seriously reflect on them, cannot miss the discovery of a Deity. --- John Locke
markpianoman 3 years ago
Intermender,
My (comic) example below also commits fallacy of virtue; despite Tipler having status and reputation he's not necessarily correct- I merely imply that he IS because of his credentials.
This faulty logic is rife throughout the God Delusion. My point is that if Rich wants to argue Judaism, do it in Aramaic Hebrew; Koine Greek for Xianity,; and Arabic for Islam (ie. do Theology). Find inconsistencies within religions themselves; don't just call them "delusional" and expect a clap
NaughtyDevilMonkey 3 years ago
Hi, thanks for the comprehensive reply. I think we should limit my earlier request and just discuss one example to avoid being blocked. So i will reply about the straw man example when i have thought about it, but i'll also look at the other stuff you've given me.
Thanks again for your help, i really enjoyed the book and its useful to get another take on it because i really want to understand it properly. Talk to you soon.
intermender 3 years ago 2
Here is a similar argument/example; the Judeo-Christian resurrection of the dead is a (proven) scientific certainty- since
1. Scientists use logic and observable phenomena to construct theoretical explanations of the world.
2. I recently talked to Frank Tipler (head of Maths AND Physics at Tulane University) who formulated the scientific formula for the physical resurrection of the dead at the end of time.
3. conclusion= Tipler is a 'smashing' scientist, and resurrection is a fact= EPIC FAIL.
NaughtyDevilMonkey 3 years ago
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I think this theory is completely ludicrous there is absolutely no evidence to support your comment. Education is what is lacking in your comment. Science and religion cannot be written in the same sentence because one contridicts the other.
boyfletch71 3 years ago
boyfletch71,
please read my comments again. FOLLOW THE LOGIC. Are you denying that Frank Tipler (actually, physically) wrote such an equation?
Of course the above statement was ludicrous, IT DEMONSTRATES AN EXAMPLE OF FALSE LOGIC; whether the statement is true or not is entirely another matter.
Why do people have such problems understanding logic?!?! :'(
And no science and religion do not always contradict, particularly forms of Buddhism (atheistic, denies the supernatural).
NaughtyDevilMonkey 3 years ago
Sure. Dawkins claims observant Jews are discouraged from marrying people from other religions. I agree with this statement (from a theological P.O.V.), HIS logic is
1. Jewish marriage procedures are outlined in Torah, Talmud, and especially in Mishnah Kiddushin ; e.g. Deuteronomy 22:28
2. Here are three observant Jews.
3. Conclusion= Since they are 'observant' Jews, the words of just 3 individuals give weight (proof) to his argument.
-I agree with Dawkins statement, but this logic is faulty
NaughtyDevilMonkey 3 years ago
wait why get rid of christmas?
Some of us atheists celebrate it kinda ~well, maybe not for the same reason as christian theists. i like holidays and gift giving and out of the ordinary stuff from time to time. T.T O.o Hey, lets call it: Winter-holidays4Everbody
and there lets add some more holidays throughout the year. We (ATHEISTS) NEED MORE HOLIDAYS !!!
REZJT 3 years ago
Dear intermender,
I havn't scratched the surface. I also do not want to be blocked for posting large segments (as has happened in the past, and will not do so further without further interest, or at least a thumbs up!) :)
- I do not disagree with Dawkins, but I do think that he is sloppy. He just has faulty arguments that people then go on to call "rational".
NaughtyDevilMonkey 3 years ago
Actually there is another group of people that will get offended when I to ridicule their choice. Windows- and Macintosh freaks will get seriously offended (even so called professional IT personnel) when I show how fucked up their belief in those really is. It comes near religious rage.
toongue 3 years ago
(F. of virtue cont) Dawkins states that religious scientists (to date) are hard to find and that there are correlations to show a negative relation between education level and religiosity. Basically, most intelligent people are atheists and therefore probably right; i would respond yes, because they are scientists and not theologians- they spend less time on the topic of God. Once upon a time most 'intelligent' people thought earth was flat; they weren't right; collective belief is not a proof
NaughtyDevilMonkey 3 years ago
... be a bad thing- not by arguing Swinburne's point, but by implying that if 'higher ranking' theologians (say, in the British Academy) could not answer a particular question, then no theologian (for lack of prestige, reputation, ability) should be asked for their opinion since they have 'nothing' to offer. Essentially, if you're not a leading (scientific) academic, shut your mouth - what ever happened to standing on the shoulders of giants, Richard- why the bigotry, even if you're right?
NaughtyDevilMonkey 3 years ago
Many (religious) theologians, e.g. J.H. Sobel, have provided religious accounts of how old our universe is that are in accord to the popular science account of 15 billion years- Dawkins seems unaware of this. In accordence with Dawkins disrespect for logic he commits a fallacy of virtue by association- where one buttresses a claim on the grounds that it is linked to a positively regarded group. Dawkins commits this fallacy (p.65) when he criticises Swinburne's view that too much evidence may...
NaughtyDevilMonkey 3 years ago
(following on) it is not only evidence that counts - but interpretation of it in light of the theory that one advances; thus criticising theologians and philosophers for their use of modal logic is wrong (p.84). I would like to point out here that Dawkins does not make a great distinction between religious people (who believe religious rhetoric), theologians (who, not necessarily believing, explore religious polemic), and students of Religious Studies (pursuing the academic study of religion)
NaughtyDevilMonkey 3 years ago
Richard Dawkins is awesome. A very brilliant biologist who is teaching reality based thought.
bobster451 3 years ago
Good old RSS
firesteel1 3 years ago
LOL at 9:00
goobergel 3 years ago
LOL at 8:55
rasalghul5555 3 years ago
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i contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.
racer42O 3 years ago 6
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wow some cute guys in here!! lol. im SO horny!! 2
AnotherGuy5 3 years ago
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Dawkins is a tool that has no scientific credentials. I wish he could debate Jesus. Jesus would prove him to be a feeble minded idiot.
SandReckoner14 3 years ago
Yeah, it's easy to wish he could debate with someone not existing at the moment. It's easy to wish like empty wishes like that. It's easy to wish. It's all about wishing isn't it? :) I wish that, I wish this, I believe in this, I believe in that... always within the same level of visions. Always running away from facts and reason. That is so sad and dangerous. Well... :)
Fakatkafa 3 years ago 3
you are a fool..not a tool
who used that line? i wish he could debate Jesus..lol..well, i wish he could debate allah, and thor, and athena and all the others..
no scientific foundation? umm..read his credentials..
racer42O 3 years ago
Think about it like this... If Jesus debated Dawkins, that means Jesus resurrected, and therefore proves Jesus right. How then can Dawkins debate Jesus on miracles, if the presence of Jesus itself is a miracle! Anyways, Jesus would never debate Dawkins, and if he did, this would have to occur after someone fills Jesus in on the latest scientific discoveries. Otherwise, he wont know ANYTHING about what Dawkins is saying.
Gwisss 3 years ago
"god" was created by man @ a time when we new nothing about anything...
we started polytheistic, then that began to seem silly..a god for everything..so we for the most part moved to monotheistic religion as it fit better for us..much in the same way the "new testament" is a (drastic) revision made when the old testament began to seem barbaric & chased the sheep away.
you really believe that we were born piles of crap with original sin & we go thru these riduculous rituals to cleanse
racer42O 3 years ago
the whole notion is jus silly...do you think before the jews went to mount sinai raping and stealing and adultering before moses came down and said "thats not cool". we are given our morals from our parents!
you really think god would hate gays and birth control if he existed? or does it sound like a good way to keep the species alive?
racer42O 3 years ago
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA!!!! moron!!!!
PhilBurningSkies 3 years ago
lol That's the most stupid thing I've ever read.
JohnEffingsworth 3 years ago
Agreed
gneisenau321 3 years ago 6
shouldn't brian the sap criticize his hero sam harris for believing in psi and reincarnation?
JJTecumseh87 3 years ago
Richard is right on dismissing creationists in public debates.
somor98 3 years ago
good vid. However, I wish they would have asked some questions (however, I know that the format was somewhat decided by Dawkins)...
crazykb 3 years ago
lol is that fixed? 777 ratings + 777 comments
1GonzoMonzo1 3 years ago
guess not :P
1GonzoMonzo1 3 years ago
>"9/11 wasn't religious? ARE YOU RETARDED?"
I didn't say it wasn't religious. I said it wasn't entirely religious ("ARE YOU RETARDED?", - the irony). You are correct in stating that Bin Laden's views are justified in the Qur'an, though 9/11 did "transgress limits", which isn't sanctified.
NaughtyDevilMonkey 3 years ago
Religion destroys lives.
btiggy420 3 years ago
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Children being protected from their parents? What a whack job loon you really are Richard. Oh, and you Rational Responders too.
fritleyfrisp 3 years ago
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Read "THE DAWKINS DELUSION," by Mcgrath.
Duwami 3 years ago
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Check out evolution-exposed. c.o.m and find out why evolution is false and nothing but a religion.
LegendKiller350 3 years ago
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Evolution is false and it is a fairy tale. Check out darwinismrefuted. c.o.m
LegendKiller350 3 years ago
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you shouldnt post 66 minutes worth of crap on youtube.
sargeant99 3 years ago
Out of curiosity, why do you think it's crap?
zanmatthews 3 years ago
I am also a big fan of the Easter bunny and his chocolate eggs. Especially the ones with the crunchy stuff in them. Or peanut butter!
kja30 3 years ago
End Christmas? I don't believe in God or Jesus but I do believe in getting presents and drinking egg nog. I am all for Christmas, just not Christ.
kja30 3 years ago
"winter festival" serves just that purpose.
analubalitious 3 years ago
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if you dont beleive in god then dont celebrate a religous holiday,
sargeant99 3 years ago
Christmas isn't about Jesus anymore. Christmas is about spending money and buying shit. The average person celebrating Christmas doesn't give a shit about Jesus, and rightfully so.
kja30 3 years ago 5
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wrongfully so. if you dont beleive in god why do you bother doing anything. eat, drink and be marry. thats what i dont get about you athesists you worry too much about trying to convert other people to athesism like these rrs whats the point. just kill and survive, get drunk and have fun, live off your mom who cares. theres no consequensess. am i right? you can rape murder kill. theres nothing wrong with that if theres no god. i dont understand it at all.
sargeant99 3 years ago
Your defeatist attitudes about life and society just because your invisible man doesn't exist really show a lot about your character and who you truly are underneath your Christian front. I feel sorry for you.
kja30 3 years ago 15
@kja30 shortly after 17:20 one of the women talking about christian foundamentalist stated that they dont care that god is an angry tyrant in the sky. does that mean she believes that god is real?
davidllful 1 year ago
@davidllful umm no it doesn't. She's saying that the way the christians have portrayed god, is very megalomaniacal. The god theyve written about is a tyrant yet they worship him and have no problem with the horrible things that he has done.
TheAlexacaius 9 months ago
@kja30 I agree. These people accuse nonbelievers of being evil, immoral, and hateful yet that is exactly how they are when challenged (not all). The mere fact that disbelief makes them quiver shows how weak and pathetic their faith is, despite constantly building their faith up off the suffering of others and themselves.
HybridD91 9 months ago
you don't have to believe god to have morals if anything the belief in god lessens morals. atheist look at the world and say this is my only chance why mess it up. while a more religious man may say well if i fuck up god will forgive me. i assume by god you are referring to the christian god, in which case look at david of the old testament very immoral man but he had complete faith in god and was forgiven.
pollracker 3 years ago 10
i think that believing you can get away with anything is scarier. then one who worries about the consciences of this life rather then the next.
pollracker 3 years ago
Dawkins has answered all your points in 'The God Delusion' in the chapter on morality. Why don't you read it and get enlightened? By the way, the guys who hijacked the planes and flew them into the World Trade Center, killing thousands, did it for 'religious' reasons. I'm an atheist and I wouldn't do that in a million years. So what price morality based on a twisted interpretation of religion?
DrZenith 3 years ago
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9/11 wasn't entirely for religious reasons; mainly political, hence the towers (economic) and not cathedrals (religious), etc. Dawkins' book predominantly comes from arguments based on fallacy of virtue , plagiarism, and straw man arguments. It is not scientific, it contains unsound arguments, and makes a poor theological/philosophical entreaty. Better work has been done in the past. Dawkins states that he can learn nothing from theologians; Darwin himself was a Cambridge theology graduate.
NaughtyDevilMonkey 3 years ago
hi, i'm intrested in specific examples of the arguments in the book that you catagorise as:
1) fallacy of virtue
2) plagiarism
3) straw man arguments
Can you give me the examples you refer to, i'm trying to learn how to argue logically and i'm intrested in your take on these fallacies. Thanks.
intermender 3 years ago
intermender,
I will e-mail you soon.
For now though; a straw man argument is basically when one 'misrepresents' another persons argument because it is easier to argue against - e.g.
Person X says "9/11 wasn't ENTIRELY religious"
Person Y says "9/11 wasn't religious? ARE YOU RETARDED?"
- Person Y has either NOT UNDERSTOOD the argument in hand, or is attempting to build up a misrepresented argument since it is easier to attack. I will illustrate how Dawkins does the same in my e-mail...
NaughtyDevilMonkey 3 years ago
Hi, thanks for your answer. Instead of e-mailing me directly, can you carry on posting your answers here in comments if possible as it will be more instructive for me if diverse people can offer comments too.
intermender 3 years ago
No prob mate, but bear in mind it only allows 500 wrds per box. Some of the evidence he gives wouldn't be considered 'scientific' by any scientific standards - e.g. he uses relys on statements by "3 american Rabbis" (p.262) to argue Jewish marriage polemics, without even considering scripture. I could talk to William Carpenter (not looking at other evidence) and say that his view of a flat earth is representative of science as a whole. This is one instance of a straw man arguemnt.
NaughtyDevilMonkey 3 years ago
thanks, and that's an interesting example (btw i would also discuss: does marriage have meaning without religion?). But i want to learn brevity so 500 words should be ok!
Can you simplify the straw man argument into a list, (sorry, I don't understand what 'jewish marriage polemics' refers to), i.e like the following:
evidential statement 1
evidential statement 2, etc
concluding statement
intermender 3 years ago
dont get rid of christmas:S just cuz i dont belive in god doesnt mean i dont like taking advantege of christians if they are willing to give me two weeks off and presents ill take it. and christmas was not his bday it was supossed to be sometime in may
brennanww 3 years ago
The reason christmas exists is because during the roman empire the catholic church had to convert the pagans so basically they just put a catholic holiday on the same day as the festival of the Roman god Sol Invictus (sun god) and the birth of Romulas and Remus also the Birth of Mithras another roman god
xfvkemosx 3 years ago 2
Hey dont get rid of christmas. I like the holidays
stargateproductions 3 years ago
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if your an athesist. stop celebrating christmas. becuase without jesus there would be no christmas. so dont celebrate it.
sargeant99 3 years ago
wow. close the bible and open a history book buddy. Christmas was being celebrated a long time before Christianity. it was a pagan holiday hijacked by the church to make it easier to convert people. instead of making new holidays they realized it would be far easier to just change current celebrations. there is definitive proof in historical texts about this and even the history channel did a excellent show about this. so i will repeat once more for ya, CHRISTMAS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH JESUS.
zenmonk420 3 years ago 6
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would you celebrate it if they never turned it into a christian holiday? i dont think so becuase it wouldnt be christmas and the roman religion died down after they found out there gods didnt live on olpmypis becuase they can fly a plane up there and see no god. christmas does have somthing to do with jesus now though.its called Christmas which means (christ mass) you dont celebrate the pagan holidays do you of course not becuase that would be religious to so stop celebrateing a religous holiday
sargeant99 3 years ago
i don't celebrate it as a holy holiday at all. i look at it as a day i can gather with friends and family have a few drinks and have a good time with people i care about.
but when you celebrate it for jesus you do nothing but celebrate a lie. jesus was not born in winter. in fact most biblical scholars believe he was born sometime in the fall, most point to September. take the few minutes,do the research and come to your own conclusions. free your mind, think for yourself.
peace.
zenmonk420 3 years ago
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i know jesus wasnt born in december. they dont know exactly when he was born. it just celebrates his birth. i just dont know why people who arent christians celebrate it. im a christain and i dont really celebrate it. its become too much of a secular holiday and stuff. i dont know what you mean celebrate a lie. jesus really existed and he really was the son of god. if you dont want to beleive that fine but dont push your beleifs down other peoples throughts
sargeant99 3 years ago
all i meant by "celebrate a lie" is that it is a common conception of christians that it is the literal day jesus was born. and this just isn't true, hence a lie. i wasn't trying to push my beliefs on you but to get you to take a look at information and think for yourself. i have found by looking at history and using logic you can understand why things are like they are. i digress, my point was "christmas" was a celebration of the winter solstice and was hijacked to convert people more easily.
zenmonk420 3 years ago
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hahahaha this is so funny.
Atheism tried and lost. Your numbers are too small to do anything.
TAKE OFF!
KeithTruth 3 years ago
There are far more atheists than you think.
By the way, there is no such thing as god.
maglavagna 3 years ago 2
Are you sure?
KeithTruth 3 years ago
Yes. And if god exsisted he'd be atheist too!
maglavagna 3 years ago 3
Really?
Whatever has the possibility of non existence, yet exists, has been caused to exist. Something cannot bring itself into existence, since it must exist to bring itself into existence, which is illogical.
There cannot be an infinite number of causes to bring something into existence. An infinite regression of causes has no initial cause, which means there is no cause of existence. Since the universe exists, it must have a cause. There must be an uncaused cause of all things.
KeithTruth 3 years ago
This is a self defeating ideology.
"Whatever has the possibility of non existence, yet exists, has been caused to exist."
"Since the universe exists, it must have a cause."
"There must be an uncaused cause of all things."
Why do you say everything must have a cause then use the convenient 'get out clause' of saying God doesn't. And even if there did have to be an uncaused cause, why must it be a sentient, personal God. It could be anything.
Moreover, some events micro-physics have no cause.
stefanarak 3 years ago
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Eternity is a term that we finite creatures use to express the concept of something that has no end and/or no beginning. Since God has no beginning or end, He has no beginning. This is because He is outside of time.
These are the christian teachings and If God needed to be created or caused he would not be God. I admit I don't comprehend this fully because we are in time. But we are here and I think it is a better explanation then the atheist view.
KeithTruth 3 years ago
I'm afraid that is a very large "cop-out". But I can equally say that as before the big-bang time did not exist as we know it, the universe is also eternal, has no beginning and thus does not need a cause to come into existance.
This explanation does not require the invoke supernatural beings; but more to the point, again, why must it be a sentient God which is 'outside of time'. Even if there WERE a 'first mover', there is NO REASON it should be a god that listens to our prayers!
stefanarak 3 years ago 2
Not to mention that a God complex enough to design everything and have as much power has he does is an incredibly complex being. To simply state that your own creationist rules of 'having to have a cause' (which is false if you look at quantom theory and the movement of electrons) do not apply to this incredibly complex being is simply, as I say, a "cop-out".
The first cause is either infintely simple, ergo not God as you describe it, or required a cause by your own logic.
stefanarak 3 years ago
I agree but that doesn't mean that the cause is a concious intelligence.
maglavagna 3 years ago
This isn't true. Many different things cause themselves to happen spontaneously. Radioactive decay is an example.
HegAndCapGood 3 years ago
It's Brian Sapient's girlfriend.
NuclearRadio 3 years ago
She a lot more than Brian's gf.She got involved with the show out of a genuine interest,and a desire to help out when RRS was just starting out.Over several months she became Brian's gf and that is VERY ancillary to what she brings to our organization.
If you listen to out shows,it quickly becomes quite evident that Kelly may well be the most intelligent of any of us.Not that I or Brian, Rook and Razor are slouches,just that she shines-and often.She's a LOT more than a pretty face. A LOT more.
YellowNumberFive 3 years ago
teddy55555a and Tezkingkong, thanks for your strong and convincing arguments. You are such worthy representatives of the irrational expressions that are Christianity and creationism.
ThrakhathOfKilrah 3 years ago
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dawkins is a lost man... its so sad.. i will pray 4 him..
tezkingkong 3 years ago
Who's the girl in the back :)
norhamdan1985 3 years ago 3
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dawkins is a moron
teddy55555a 3 years ago
Clever mind in the front and Hot chick in the back...do we need more?
No! :D
Salmo77 3 years ago 2
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Well, the hosts of the show are insultingly condescending. To the point of pompous vulagarity. I may be an Athiest, who very much agrees with Dawkins, but this was embarrassing. I just wanted Dawkins to say "Get over yourself".
Any good points the hosts may have had were undermined by their general insensitive idiocy.
I read dawkins for a sophisticated argument that makes sense.
Any regular listeners of this show will be listening for an ego trip. An "I'm so right, stupid thiests".
AllIntentionsToBreak 4 years ago
You are clearly NOT an atheist.
We atheists know better than to treat 'atheist' as a proper noun.
predaking50ae 3 years ago
Oh look at you there, illustrating my point further. Yeah, capitalising 'athiest' was a typo - you'll notice the lack of capitalisation on 'thiest' at the end there.
Point is, you've just done what I accused the hosts in this video of doing; you've missed the point, and instead tried to be condescending and take humour at my expense.
Pause for irony... Pause over.
AllIntentionsToBreak 3 years ago
Somtimes faith is a good thing in life because it can be much better in fantasy land
headhead9 4 years ago
"Somtimes faith is a good thing in life because it can be much better in fantasy land"
Then rent a Scifi flick. :)
TheLogicalTheist 3 years ago 6
I really can't see the point of "War on Christmas" ...I agree with Dawkins it is simply far to trivial to even worry about.
30hawkins 4 years ago
read "The Dawkins Delusion"
ophuchew 4 years ago
It's rubbish.
Dawkins debated with the author of this book in "The Enemies of Reason", and completely annihilated him.
BeRational 4 years ago
"Dawkins debated...annihilated him"
Only those that think as DAH-kins does would think that.
Excellent reads "The Dawkins Delusion" & "Darwins God"
ophuchew 4 years ago
Let William Lane Craig or Alvin Plantinga talk to these people. :D
Postulater 4 years ago
It's a little better with headphones ;]
nxzo2 4 years ago
The audio on this video isn't very good. If you guys could perhaps dub the actual audio from the broadcast over the video footage, that would be awesome.
nxzo2 4 years ago
Atheists do not teach children atheism. At least not all of atheists do so. Many just teach them critical thinking and looking at evidence.
viathor 4 years ago 2
But Stryper Rock !!!!!
ofssk 4 years ago
...and the only reason they were believed? The were indoctrinated to. So why indoctrinate children in the first place? Why can't they choose their religion when they are adults and can reason their beliefs, untainted with religion?
kilmindaro 4 years ago
Parents can not stop influencing their children's beliefs. Let's take religion out of the equation and replacing it w/ another idea such as racism, flat Earth, etc. These ideas would be considered true if children are taught believe they are. But as a sensible adult, you should evaluate your beliefs. Regardless if it is not done by most believers or not this is how it should be done. Just b/c the majority of believers choose not to do this does not make it the norm.
ANDITWASSO 4 years ago
We all teach our children our beliefs. It's impossible not to. Atheists do it, everyone does it. I was raised in a humanistic/relativistic/Spiritualistic/Atheist home (each parent was different), and though I understood their beliefs, I needed to make my own choice.
sonomaaaa 4 years ago
What amazes me about this atheists is that they claim to have 100% knowledge of everything about life. They don't, any more than we believers do. They claim science as their "god" if you will, yet science has been contradicting itself forever. New theories, etc. all the time. The "proof" they want is impossible -- as it is on their end.
sonomaaaa 4 years ago
scientists don't believe they know 100% of everything about life.. if they knew everything they wouldn't try to learn anymore.. they're still studying though ;)
KittyGotSued 4 years ago
Yet most atheists I have run into claim to KNOW there is no God. They don't say they don't know. Dawkins certainly doesn't.
sonomaaaa 4 years ago
In fact Dawkins does, he says he can't disprove God, he only says the probability of his existence is really small.
KittyGotSued 4 years ago 2
I'd like to see where he says this. If he allows for the possibility, then he should leave it alone. I agree that there are some Christians who cross the line, but we ARE FREE in this country to speak our minds and to use the system just as they are. Doesn't mean we always win, but we're free to use it, thank God!
sonomaaaa 4 years ago
I've heard him say otherwise, truly. He is banking of this to the point that he calls any described version to date of God a delusion. Do you not think this constitutes a denial?
sonomaaaa 4 years ago
No atheist I ever met claimed to know everything about life. Atheists think of science as a great tool that explained weather phenomenons and controlled diseases that you believer attributed to the wrath of your mean selfish, cruel god until you were forced to accept the overwhlming evidence.
mfbeja 4 years ago
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Our God allows much to happen, though I think it's way overused the idea that it's because of something we specifically did at a given moment. God's plan is beyond that. WE are not the center of His universe/plan by a long shot. Peace.
sonomaaaa 4 years ago
God's plan? Oh dear... The number of times I've heard people use that as an argument...
fs3d 4 years ago
I know, I know....but then there's really so much to Christian theology that when we say "God's plan", it just all sounds so trite. My point was though that we are not the center of everything...it isn't really all about us in the end. Peace.
sonomaaaa 4 years ago
As long as people believe this life to be un-important and "eternal afterlife" all-important;mankind will never advance beyond being the primitive war-like savages that the 3 Abrahamic religions demand us to be.
crocfme 4 years ago
You got it all wrong, of course this life is important, if you can be righteous in this life you will gain life eternal!
There were wars back then, & there will always be wars now, it does not matter where we come from or what we believe!
YeshuaIsTheChrist 4 years ago
So true!
sonomaaaa 4 years ago
Why is it that christians never preface what they have no way of knowing with "I think" or "I believe"? Also, just what the hell does your last sentence mean?
mfbeja 4 years ago
I can certainly say, "I believe" and it won't change the fact that I think it is just as true for me as for you. If it makes you feel better to hear "I believe," it makes not difference to me. Peace.
sonomaaaa 4 years ago
Some religous people hate atheist because they have tied up the religon with their family, friends, morals and traditions like christmas!
They THINK that they will lose everything if they become an atheist wich is just not true at all! =)
Im from Sweden wich is a 85% Atheist/agnostic country and we celebrate christmas, have morals, friend and family just like christians! =)
Salladsdressing 4 years ago 2
You won't lose everything, you will actually gain the world, but the one thing you will lose is your soul. God does not want you to perish, but to come to true repentance!
YeshuaIsTheChrist 4 years ago
Off course but all scientific research show that a soul doesn't exist so that really doesn't worry me.
Just like praying have never been shown to work.
Salladsdressing 4 years ago
Are you serious about your soul comment? Prayer is another issue, but how do you claim to disprove a soul? Very curious.
sonomaaaa 4 years ago
Science will never figure it out, you rely on evidence, we rely on faith!
A real Christian who is devoted to God, God's word, prayer & fasting will get answers as long as it's in Gods will, not ours. It's his ultimate will that will be done, not ours. Look up George Mueller, he ran an orphan house on faith alone! This was a man DEVOTED to prayer, he prayed without ceasing. This is what God calls us to do, not pray the way most people think praying actually is!
YeshuaIsTheChrist 4 years ago
Why are you christians so certain you know what god wants of us? Do you talk with him? And why do you want everyone to believe the silly nonsense you do? The bottom line is that we all think of it as nonsense, and there is nothjing you can say to change that.
mfbeja 4 years ago
We get the word out -- you may not hear it. We understand that. Christians believe what Jesus taught. What God wants for us as individuals isn't always clear. Peace. :)
sonomaaaa 4 years ago
But people die for lies, scams and superstition all the time!! The most recent evidence of that was that cult where he took everyone to africa and made them poison themselves. Can't remember the name.
A lot of people tend to want to put all of their eggs in one basket cos it makes life simpler. I think dying for something is the same psychological urge.
HamerD 4 years ago
Martyrdom & suicide are extremely different! Coming together to commit suicide for a cult is one thing, but being willing to die AFTER WITNESSING A RESSURECTED CHRIST is an entirely different story! The 11 w/the exception of John, & Judas, were persecuted & killed for their belief. They did not plan this and do it themselves!
YeshuaIsTheChrist 4 years ago
I don't see how it's rational to base your entire belief system on something so dubious!
It's not particularly surprising that reports of divine intervention have occurred less frequently the further you go down the history of humanity! I find many different arguments for god more convincing than using historical accounts of what people did on behalf (possibly) of jesus.
HamerD 4 years ago
It's rational to "believers" when it's based on faith. It's dubious to many because of unbelief, but not to those who believe. If you look at all the Old Testament prophecies that came to pass in extreme detail, it's almost impossible to refute it. Messiah fulfilled almost all the Old Testament prophecies that pertained to him as well. Scripture is not only our guide to life, we also see it as historical evidence.
YeshuaIsTheChrist 4 years ago
I can only see, here or anywhere, only two kinds of evidence people posit as foolproof:
the bible is historically accurate
I had a specific experience with God
I don't personally think any other argument should persuade people. Unless we can prove the planets were made for a purpose (like with astrology) or something.
HamerD 4 years ago
I Agree. Again, not easy to swallow.
In reference to the Solar System- In the Bible, the Sun, Moon & Stars are used many times to represent nations. Especially the rise and fall of nations. Also, God would use them as a sign, like when he told Abraham that his seed would like the "stars of heaven".
And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be FOR SIGNS, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
YeshuaIsTheChrist 4 years ago
"Martyrdom & suicide are extremely different! Coming together to commit suicide for a cult is one thing, but being willing to die AFTER WITNESSING A RESSURECTED CHRIST is an entirely different story"
Tell that to the Islamic terrorist who think they achieve myrtardom through suicied. Also, thousands of christians who never saw christ were martyred for hundreds of years.
mfbeja 4 years ago
Christianity was a cult for over 300 years, until Constantine made it the official religion of the Roman world.
mfbeja 4 years ago 2
why is that chick always clearing her throat in every video?
iamthejake2000 4 years ago
Brian talked WAY too much. He's got Richard Dawkins sitting there, nobody wants to hear Brian talk about bullshit.
DickJohnson3434 4 years ago
As for Dawkins being God...one day Dawkins will die, and he will face a real God, one who lives forever, whom he will have to give an answer.
ANDITWASSO 4 years ago
Fine. In that case he would say 'you made me like this, dickhead'. Possibly without the last word.
HamerD 4 years ago
Made you like what? Are you not responsible for your own actions? Why would you blame God for what YOU do? He made you to make your own decisions so YOU have to take responsibility for them.
ANDITWASSO 4 years ago
I would personally say 'you endowed me with a faculty of reason, why did you not expect me to use it?'. And if god was an all perfect being, he would say 'as if i cared anyway'. By the way, another little typical logic trick which doesnt really work, if God knows everything, he knows what being me is like, and therefore agrees with me.