And remember folks..."This war was brought to you by the same people who created Freedoms's Watch" Former Ambassador Mel "Niger forgery" Sembler. And lets not forget the dual U.S. - Iraeli national Ari Fleischer and former Bush propaganda minister.
I thought PSYOP was only conducted by the Military...I was Wrong!!!! Operation "Wag the Dog" is running strong!!!
PORCELLIAN:of course, just leave the iraqs with no chance. great idea, what if you were left with no governing body? and we bring the troops home for how long? because then we go after the real bad guys? who the heck are our service men and women fighting? and by losses i geuss you mean financial? because you dont WRITE OFF soldiers sacrifices.
I am a New Yorker who have lost several friends in the 911 terrorist attack.
I am also a proud supporter of OUR troops, last year alone I spent over $2,000 of my hard earn money to send boxes of care packages to troops in Iraq.
But while I greatly admire and appreciate the sacrifices made by the Wroblewski family, I strong disagree Mr Wroblewski's message on this war- Iraq doesn't have anything to do with 911... it was a total intelligence failure from the very beginning!
How dare of you clowns speak against this family and their right to speak about their son. You people make me sick. As a father of a fallen Marine I say to you Semper Fi and be proud of your son.
What did RONALD REAGAN pull out of? Grenada? Only after wiping a bunch of CUBANS off the face of the Earth. But you wouldn't have known this.. You were what, 9 years old at the time. You didn't do your homework.
And yet another hate-filled, liberal talking head explodes into a cloud of rage and hate for our military, gov't, and country in general. Can anyone out there who is/was a service member please tell me what the name of the class was that taught us to intentionally "slaughter hundreds of Innocent civilians?" I must have missed that course during basic training.
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What a F**cking Joke. Do you even know what it is like to go into a village and slaughter hundreds of Innocent civilians. That is what this war does. Oh and by the way, you obviously did not get the memo....there was never any connection to 911 and Iraq thus the war on terror is in Afghanistan. Dumb ass.
KENLEVENS What village have our troops gone into and SLAUGHTERED 100's of innocent civilians? Do you have any proof to back up your troop bashing bullshit. Show us the proof you fucking liar
I want to know which CIA account provided the $15 million that has been admitted is being spent on these tear-jerkers being used to brainwash Americans with more lies to get more of their sons killed. Impeach Bush and the Neocons now! Bring our boys home to guard OUR Mexican border!
CHARKLESLINBERGH Let this father grieve for his son in peace. Impeach Bush my Ass. It will never happen if you impeach bush impeach the whole congress. 9/11 was enough to brainwash most Americans
Charlie, it's you who have been brainwashed into believing that our military could actually lose this war. That's simply not possible. Only the Democrats can lose this war for America.
Admiral William Fallon, chief of central command, derided Petraeus as a sycophant. Fallon told Petraeus that he considered him to be "an ass kissing little chickenshit" and added "hate people like that".
If Petraeus said Fallon was an Al Qaeda lover, thats just ridiculous. Whereas officers actuall reputations are know in the the service I would lend more credibility to Fallons remarks. The administration had to look hard to find a high ranking officer that would still tow their line. That officer was Petraeus.
Google: (Guns, not roses, for Iraq) and read the Salon story about Petreus and arms sales to Iraq. He's supplying the very guns which will shoot our troops as well as the ones that he was in charge of in 2004 that came up missing. There is more to this thing than flag wavers care to think about.
it's incidious what this group is doing, interweaving support of the troops for the actual war so that if your against the war, your also against the troops. Yes, only simple minded flag wavers without any sense of history or logic fall for it, but they are quite vocal.
YUKK Thanks for calling me a simple minded flag waver. I guess you must be the opposite. A deep thinking intelligent person who feels that waiving the flag is beneath you. You are a positively correct analyizer of history and our future. Thank god for the intelligence that you have, and that I clearly lack. I will leave now and go hang my head in shame
Nope, I work to maintain the integrety of what the flag represents. The best things about this country is not our ability to blow things up or raise our fists to sophomoric revenge scenarios. I rail against the man behind the curtain because he doesnt represent the citizen but those who would control him from cradle to grave. I have a US flag in my yard that I put up every morning and take down every evening.
YuKK I work to stand up for the troops in combat. I stand up for those who wrap their dead friends in a flag. I stand up for the mother of a dead Marine, who was called a whore for making a commercial. I stand up for Sgt Kriesel who gave up his legs, and is in effect spit on for expressing his opinions.
When you are fighting an enemy that has swaorn to destroy you it is far from sophmoric
Bos, you just want to fight fight fight. What can we do to avoid getting into these situations. How can we win this war? We cant kill everyone. Redefine what a win is, and lets get out. As long as you make this war all about the troops, we will never move beyond being knee jerk reactionaries.
YUKK You want to maintain of what the flag represents. I want to make sure the flag is around in 60 years. A win is that Al Qaeda, or Iran, or Syria does not get control of Iraq and its oil. I want Americans to get off of the oil binge.
YuKK We are in need of their oil, I always hear no "blood for oil" Yet I do not see people screaming for higher gas prices, or any real effort to conserve. I see people driving in huge SUV's. I see people who have their car AC on when it is not necessary. We have many options to get us off oil but no one is demanding that we have mandatory conservation regulatiions.
YUKK What can we do to avoid getting into this situations? We need more people in Congress like Kennedy or McCain. People that do not stick their finger up to test the political winds. We need a Congress that has term limmitations. I would go as far as saying one term for Senate, and 3 terms for the House. I want a draft, and no more wars unless Congres declares war and gives us a clear objective of what winning is
Yukk Sorry for the verbal response I forgot I am a simple minded flag waiver. Damm I got to remember that I am not worthy to express my sophomoric ideas.
Be warned, many of the pro Freedom's watch comments are done by the same people with multiple accounts. Freedom's Watch is headed by former Bush Administration toady Bradley Blakemen. A google search of the group will reveal who their millionaire contributors are.
JJOPLIN I am a Tool. Your the smart one, and your a real hero. Hell you know alot more about the war in Iraq than these wounded troops. Sorry all of us Tools did not realize that using Cindy Sheehan was diffrent than using these folks. It's only ok to use these folks if they agree with your view. Sorry we didn't get that
'I am a tool' - and Ari Fleisher smiles, worth every penny of that 15 million.
They issue isn't the Iraq war. The issue is these Freedom Watch ads spinning bullshit about the Iraq war (and 9/11, and why we're over there).
But you apologized for your foolishness, that's a start I guess (but what's with the 'we' stuff, you think you're Royalty like the Queen of England or somethin')
Jopplin The issue for me is your amti free speech attitude. What do you think of half the Democrates in the Senate denouncing the MoveOn Ad about Gen Petraus. Did the Dems denouce the FW Ads. You must have an impressive educational background. Care to share it with us? The FW ads never say Iraq war is connected to 9/11. Quote me where it says that.
"Duty, Honor, Country. Those three hallowed words reverently dictate what you OUGHT to be, what you CAN be, and what you WILL be."_________General Douglas MacArthur
Four of the five board members of the latest pro-'surge' propaganda apparatus, 'Freedom's Watch', are all Jews, with the fifth being married to a Jew. Of eight major donors listed in the political newspaper Politico, four are wealthy Jews, (including Sheldon Adelson, chairman of the Las Vegas Sands Corp. and ranked by Forbes magazine as the third-wealthiest American). Of course, this must just be a coincidence, and anyone who says otherwise is an anti-Semite.
Theses Are the most disgusting, exploitational, vomit inducing, degrading ads i have ever seen. These ads defile the fallen soliders who want a free Iraq; there is no possible way that can happen WHEN WE ARE STILL OCCUPYING THEM!!! we should withdraw our troops, acknowledge we fucked up and be done with it. there is no need for thousands upon thousands more Soliders and Iraqis to die becuase "president" bush has his head so far up his ass that he can't face the facts even if he wanted to.
HURTFUL Your comment is digusting. This is a father expressing his opinion. So in your mind this father is defiling the troops. I saw your stupid ass video of you firing you gun. Why don't you go Iraq Ass Hole. This is the father of a fallen Marine, and I as a former Marine, think you have no right to speak that way about the father of my fallen brother. Go fuck yourself Al Qaeda loving America hating punk
actually I feel i do you sorry little piss ant, my brother served in the coast guard and is currently a deputy, so yeah I have every right to speak my mind. And the fact is that yeah, he is defiling the troops, they should all be brought back and payed for their troubles. so go fuck yourself you sorry, ignorant, piece of shit. Also one of my good friends lost his father (another police officer) to some little shit head who didn't want a ticket, so i think i know a fraction of what he feels.
You dont deserve to be an American. Not only is Mr. Wrobolewski my athletic director but he was my friend. I went to visit him after his son's death. I know the pain and grief he feels. He should have the right to say "Fuck Iraq, kill them all" if he wanted to. You cant say boo to him. You have no right to even comment about this. Saying a Father is defiling his own son is not only ludicrous but cold hearted.
I'm sorry Mr. Wrobolewski for my language if you do see this. I'm just appauled by what people are writing on here. Stay strong, YOU ARE A GOOD AMERICAN. More people should follow suit,
I feel sympathy for Mr. W, but he's letting Freedom's Watch and the war hawks take advantage of his grief, and the good name of his son. With all due respect, people don't get a completely free pass for saying irresponsible things.
He is not doing that at all. I know Mrs. Wroblewski and I also know that her sone J.T. strongly believed in what he fought and ultimately gave his life for...and the Wroblewski family also feels very strongly that we must continue to fight...and p.s. J.T. will never lose his good name.
You are so correct about the protected in this country. They have no idea about ones duty towards freedom. They have their free speack due to those who served sucha s yourself. Funny that you do not hear much bitching from those who have served only those who cowards who hide behing their keyboards and blast true patriots.
"For those Marines who fought for it, freedom has a flavor that the protected will never know". [unidentified PFC, USMC; at Khe Sanh, Vietnam, April 1968]
My favorite flavor of Kool Aid is grape. All of you left wing nut jobs sound like broken records. Does the Democratic party allow you to think on your own? Come on tell me COMRADE. Be carefull, comrade, Dingy Harry Reid may listening.
Ari Fleischer was unable to name the wounded Iraq veteran featured in his organization's pro-war ad. "I don't have his name in front of me," said Fleischer when asked by Hardball host Mike Barnicle if he knew the soldier's name. Apparently, thinking on one's own isn't Ari's forte.
"And let me be clear, the violence in Anbar has gone down despite the surge, not because of the surge. The inability of American soldiers to protect these tribes from al Qaeda said to these tribes we have to fight al Qaeda ourselves. It wasn't that the surge brought peace here. It was that the warlords took peace here, created a temporary peace here. And that is because there was no one else there protecting." _ Chuck Schumer
Let's dispel this "myth" that the left and anti-war groups support the troops but not the war...explain to me WHY you want the troops home...it sure isn't for you CONCERN for their health and well being because it is quite obvious you don't give a DAMN about any of them...be TRUTHFUL about why you really want them home and read the quote above from one of the "left wing" leaders and what they REALLY think about the troops...
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Sacrificing in order to keep something isn't sacrifice, its just a trade. we need to focus our attention. our money. our power. all we have to do is endure. when we get attacked, turn the other cheek. by becoming martyrs i assure you any message we preach will be multiplied tenfold. even if our entire nation was destroyed, what we stood for would infect the rest of the world like a plague, and who isnt willing to die for that?
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so here's a thought
fuck the troops.
fuck anyone who wastes time talking about our war.
3,000 people died in 9/11. people act like that was a big deal.
places like africa have over 30,000 people dieing a DAY from starvation alone. thats ten 9/11's every day for africans. cigarettes, drugs, cancer, POLLUTION. the list of death tolls from these things separately all dwarf this little war.
ASSPRIN4Theasses "3,000 people died in 9/11. people act like that was a big deal" Tell that to the souls of the firefighters and the people who had to jump from the 100th Flr of the WTC. AS to your saying "fuck the troops" Tell that to the troops in person. Don't hide behind the PC and say F the troops, that just proves that you are just a little C--t
"For those Marines who fought for it, freedom has a flavor that the protected will never know". [unidentified PFC, USMC; at Khe Sanh, Vietnam, April 1968]
Hey MOTHERFUCKER You have a problem with the dad of a dead Marined exercising his right of FRee Speech. Do you think the dad of a dead Marine has shallow emotions. If you feel that way you have no heart. He lsot his little boy and he wants to speak to America. Let him speak don't shit on him
THIS IS WHAT A HERO IS. Along the way, Lieutenant Wroblewski's unit was ambushed, his widow said. Several Marines were shot and fell from the vehicles to the ground. Lieutenant Wroblewski jumped out and was shot in the head while assisting the wounded Marines, she said. He was rushed to a hospital elsewhere in Iraq. There, Marines from his unit surrounded his bed."He gave a thumbs-up," and then shortly afterward, slipped away, she said through her tears.
Mr. and Mrs Wroblewski. As a former Marine and Vietnam Vet I extend my condolences on your lose. I want you to know how impressed, I and so many other Marine Vietnam Vets are of todays young Marines. We feel that they have written their own chapter of courage and sacrifece in Maric Corps history. Semper Fi Sir
Nothing but propaganda, courtesy of Ari Fleischer and the ChickenShit Band. Why doesn't Ari haul his ass over there and ride with the (empty) convoys. He wouldn't last a day, but he has no problem suckering in other folks to do it for him, while he sits here raking in the bucks. What a worthless piece of shit.
HOOSIERDEB444 The troops in the ad went to Iraq and payed a heavy price. The family members also paid a high price. They have a right to speak on any venue they choose. Ari Fleischer has a right to run an Ad. What do you want? Should the families and the wounded vets get your approval to run this Ad? do you want to try to legally prevent these Ads?
If I could LEGALLY prevent these ads I would. I find it disgusting that LIES are being used to KILL OUR KIDS and LINE THE POCKETS of this CHICKENHAWK ADMIN & their cronies. I hope BushCo is tried for war crimes, convicted, and sentenced to life w/no parole. Clear enough for you?
HOOSIERDEB That would be a slippery slope. You outlaw someones Ad and the next thing you know you Ad is banned. That is unbelievable that you would eliminate the 1st Amendment. Yes it is clear you are the enemy of the state. 100's of thousands have died for free sppech
HOOSIERDEB444 We are not afraid to entrust the American people with unpleasant facts, foreign ideas, alien philosophies, and competitive values. For a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people. ~John F. Kennedy
This is not an 'open market' anymore thanks to BushCo. They have hijacked this country and are systematically dismantling our Constitution. THAT'S A FACT. If it take legal action to remove this FALSE ADVERSTISING, then so be it. It's getting kids killed so the NeoCons can line their pockets. Americans ARE waking up - finally. Hence, these ads to keep as many asleep as they can for as long a possible. In the meantime, the bodies pile up.
HOOSIERDEB444 What a hypocrite!! Your talking about Bush dismantaling the Constitution. And then you want to take legal action to remove a false ad! The words of a dead Marine spoken by his father is opinion, and if you do not like the dead Marines words you want to take the 1st amendment and throw it in the trash can. Seriously are you really American, you take like Joe Stalin. Your a zealot and an amazing hypocrite
Bush has already got a good portion undone. Can you say FISA? Evidently, you have problems with comprehensive reading. What part of LEGAL measures do you not understand? That IS Constitutional. No wonder Bush has run this country off in a ditch, with clueless parrots for supporters. I suppose you'd have no problem with buying a car advertised to have brakes, only to find out IT'S A LIE after you'd run someone down. Please... stay the hell out of my neighborhood.
HOOSEBAG If Bush has commited a crime he will be impeached. In the mean time show me one LIE this poor father has said. What neighborhood is that. Stay out of this grieving fathers face.
HoseBag Not sure what that means? We should meet at a bar and get drunk and I bet we would have one hell of a brawling debate. You would probably beat me and have duct tape put over my mouth. I have to admit you are fiesty!
You sure you want to fight a girl? I should warn you, my hubby played hockey (defense) for years, so I know what to do with my elbows. ;-) Besides, you don't need me to tape your mouth. Any informed person would recognize the BS immediately, so you're your own worst enemy. Fiesty? Maybe... More like pissed off & disgusted with too many years of deceit, manipulation, greed, & hubris from this Admin. I've had enough.
HoosierDeb I am sick of this war to My problem is that everyone is jumping on the people who appear in the ads. They have called dupes, and payed liars, liars, whores, stupid,etc. I beleive they have every right to speak, and the group FW has every right to run the Ads. I also beleive that if we leave Iraq things will only get worse and we will be back there. Well you ould probably beat me Im 60 but in good shape
If they're so concerned, then why would they support sending MORE kids to die? That doesn't compute. There has to be some motivation. I'm guessing they're just trying to find some comfort in justifying madness. So, yes, the language is strong. I think our kids lives are worth it. We can't fix the mess in Iraq & staying is making it worse for both countries. Get an int'l peace-keeping force to assist the Iraqi's as we switch our forces to a REAL TARGET - like ObL.
like the int'l peace keeping forces that have been in lebanon since the 80's thats worked real well and who is going to provide 40 or 50,000 troops France? don't count on it maybe China don't count on it grow up we need to finseh what was started
The only lies are democrat lies and a left wing loser admits that free speech is only for them I hope Pelosi and Ried are tried for treason and adding the enemy and hung you along with them
You can't recollect from your HISTORY lessons about WWII and why we entered that war? There were NAYSAYERS like you during WWII as well but thank GOD we had people in positions of leadership that had the HUTZPUH to go to war and do the RIGHT THING. You are just a clueless tree hugging PRIUS driving nobody who enjoys FREEDOM because of those who FOUGHT for it years ago. You have NO concept about what this war is really about. You just spout the LIBERAL status quo is all.
Why so angry. No need to slander others just because you feel your view is correct. And dont do it on this page of all places. I do agree on some points though but this page is a rememberance for Lt. John T Wrobolewski. No negativity needed.
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Too bad his family is using his death to pimp the WarMachine that got him killed. The ads are taking advantage of our troops' sacrifice to generate more victims for the meat-grinder.
Hoosie De to bad you are still trying to control people's right to speak. To say the ads are taking advantage of our troops is your opinion of the Ads outcome. It is not the opinion of this Marines Family.
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This Marine's family is operation on false information. They'll regret this ad one day, imo. It's a horrible legacy to attach to a brave soldier's sacrifice.
Not content having misled the nation into war, Fleischer and his Israeli front group are now arguing that the bloodiest summer of the war yet is a sign that "that the buildup of U.S. troops in Iraq is working."
"When you take a look at the level of violence inside of Iraq, it is impossible to argue anything other than violence has, indeed, come down as a result of America's military operations." Ari Fleischer, 6/25/03
my coisin lives 2 roads down the wroblewski's i have been thier this summer i have seen the road.God bless you john.
coolnerd56 1 year ago
Wow surname just like mine!
Too bad He has died
Polish people fight for the Freedom of Other Nations
Proud to be polish!!
GOD BLESS AMERICA AND OUR ALLIES
grizzlypoland 2 years ago
And remember folks..."This war was brought to you by the same people who created Freedoms's Watch" Former Ambassador Mel "Niger forgery" Sembler. And lets not forget the dual U.S. - Iraeli national Ari Fleischer and former Bush propaganda minister.
I thought PSYOP was only conducted by the Military...I was Wrong!!!! Operation "Wag the Dog" is running strong!!!
SKYTRAIN1 3 years ago
What a load of crap!
Everyone involved in this sort of propaganda should be ashamed.
LesMonks 3 years ago
Why is that if they don't agree with you its propaganda?
funkyboyg 3 years ago
What a load of crap!
Everyone involved in this sort of propaganda should be ashamed.
LesMonks 3 years ago
To borrow a Wall Street term, the sooner we cut our losses, the sooner we can bring our troops home.
The sooner we can bring our troops home, the sooner we can act against countries that actually produced 911 terrorists.
porcellian 4 years ago
PORCELLIAN:of course, just leave the iraqs with no chance. great idea, what if you were left with no governing body? and we bring the troops home for how long? because then we go after the real bad guys? who the heck are our service men and women fighting? and by losses i geuss you mean financial? because you dont WRITE OFF soldiers sacrifices.
kipd21b 4 years ago
I am a New Yorker who have lost several friends in the 911 terrorist attack.
I am also a proud supporter of OUR troops, last year alone I spent over $2,000 of my hard earn money to send boxes of care packages to troops in Iraq.
But while I greatly admire and appreciate the sacrifices made by the Wroblewski family, I strong disagree Mr Wroblewski's message on this war- Iraq doesn't have anything to do with 911... it was a total intelligence failure from the very beginning!
porcellian 4 years ago
In memory of John T Wrobolewski.
May you rest in peace, you are my hero.
Stay strong Wrobo, you have been an inspiration to so many of us.
Maine05 4 years ago 2
Wroblewski's a great man
RIP Lt. John Wroblewski
PalParkTigers 4 years ago
How dare of you clowns speak against this family and their right to speak about their son. You people make me sick. As a father of a fallen Marine I say to you Semper Fi and be proud of your son.
cbarsonfire 4 years ago
Damn candy ass morons. Our soilders do not kill entire villiages. Where is the proof? You have been watching CNN too long.
cbarsonfire 4 years ago
There is proof.
Rancidknewl 4 years ago
Ronald Reagan was clever enough to pull out.
ryanjamesdavis 4 years ago
What did RONALD REAGAN pull out of? Grenada? Only after wiping a bunch of CUBANS off the face of the Earth. But you wouldn't have known this.. You were what, 9 years old at the time. You didn't do your homework.
munacra 4 years ago
I hear them boots a-steppin'
Goose-steppin' 'round the bend
and I ain't seen Freedom since,
I don't know when.
A shout out to Johnny Cash and all other real Americans who love this country and hate fascist lies like this tripe.
carbonpenguin 4 years ago
CARBONPEnquin So are you saying this young Marine is a facist and not a real American?
What have you done for your country?
Bosphotoman 4 years ago
And yet another hate-filled, liberal talking head explodes into a cloud of rage and hate for our military, gov't, and country in general. Can anyone out there who is/was a service member please tell me what the name of the class was that taught us to intentionally "slaughter hundreds of Innocent civilians?" I must have missed that course during basic training.
Axtreemd 4 years ago 3
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What a F**cking Joke. Do you even know what it is like to go into a village and slaughter hundreds of Innocent civilians. That is what this war does. Oh and by the way, you obviously did not get the memo....there was never any connection to 911 and Iraq thus the war on terror is in Afghanistan. Dumb ass.
kenlevens 4 years ago
KENLEVENS What village have our troops gone into and SLAUGHTERED 100's of innocent civilians? Do you have any proof to back up your troop bashing bullshit. Show us the proof you fucking liar
Bosphotoman 4 years ago 5
I want to know which CIA account provided the $15 million that has been admitted is being spent on these tear-jerkers being used to brainwash Americans with more lies to get more of their sons killed. Impeach Bush and the Neocons now! Bring our boys home to guard OUR Mexican border!
CharlesALindbergh 4 years ago
CHARKLESLINBERGH Let this father grieve for his son in peace. Impeach Bush my Ass. It will never happen if you impeach bush impeach the whole congress. 9/11 was enough to brainwash most Americans
Bosphotoman 4 years ago 4
Charlie, it's you who have been brainwashed into believing that our military could actually lose this war. That's simply not possible. Only the Democrats can lose this war for America.
blogagog 4 years ago
Admiral William Fallon, chief of central command, derided Petraeus as a sycophant. Fallon told Petraeus that he considered him to be "an ass kissing little chickenshit" and added "hate people like that".
Yukkione 4 years ago
YUKK Its a wash Petraus said Fallon was a Ted Kennedys Bitch and was a Brown Noising Al Qaeda Lover. One cancels the other :)
Bosphotoman 4 years ago 2
If Petraeus said Fallon was an Al Qaeda lover, thats just ridiculous. Whereas officers actuall reputations are know in the the service I would lend more credibility to Fallons remarks. The administration had to look hard to find a high ranking officer that would still tow their line. That officer was Petraeus.
Yukkione 4 years ago
Search Youtube for: Iraq for Sale Banned Excerpts
See some of the reasons the war will go on and on.
Yukkione 4 years ago
Google: (Guns, not roses, for Iraq) and read the Salon story about Petreus and arms sales to Iraq. He's supplying the very guns which will shoot our troops as well as the ones that he was in charge of in 2004 that came up missing. There is more to this thing than flag wavers care to think about.
Yukkione 4 years ago
it's incidious what this group is doing, interweaving support of the troops for the actual war so that if your against the war, your also against the troops. Yes, only simple minded flag wavers without any sense of history or logic fall for it, but they are quite vocal.
Yukkione 4 years ago
YUKK Thanks for calling me a simple minded flag waver. I guess you must be the opposite. A deep thinking intelligent person who feels that waiving the flag is beneath you. You are a positively correct analyizer of history and our future. Thank god for the intelligence that you have, and that I clearly lack. I will leave now and go hang my head in shame
Bosphotoman 4 years ago
Nope, I work to maintain the integrety of what the flag represents. The best things about this country is not our ability to blow things up or raise our fists to sophomoric revenge scenarios. I rail against the man behind the curtain because he doesnt represent the citizen but those who would control him from cradle to grave. I have a US flag in my yard that I put up every morning and take down every evening.
Yukkione 4 years ago
YuKK I work to stand up for the troops in combat. I stand up for those who wrap their dead friends in a flag. I stand up for the mother of a dead Marine, who was called a whore for making a commercial. I stand up for Sgt Kriesel who gave up his legs, and is in effect spit on for expressing his opinions.
When you are fighting an enemy that has swaorn to destroy you it is far from sophmoric
Bosphotoman 4 years ago
Bos, you just want to fight fight fight. What can we do to avoid getting into these situations. How can we win this war? We cant kill everyone. Redefine what a win is, and lets get out. As long as you make this war all about the troops, we will never move beyond being knee jerk reactionaries.
Yukkione 4 years ago
YUKK You want to maintain of what the flag represents. I want to make sure the flag is around in 60 years. A win is that Al Qaeda, or Iran, or Syria does not get control of Iraq and its oil. I want Americans to get off of the oil binge.
Bosphotoman 4 years ago
YuKK We are in need of their oil, I always hear no "blood for oil" Yet I do not see people screaming for higher gas prices, or any real effort to conserve. I see people driving in huge SUV's. I see people who have their car AC on when it is not necessary. We have many options to get us off oil but no one is demanding that we have mandatory conservation regulatiions.
Bosphotoman 4 years ago
YUKK What can we do to avoid getting into this situations? We need more people in Congress like Kennedy or McCain. People that do not stick their finger up to test the political winds. We need a Congress that has term limmitations. I would go as far as saying one term for Senate, and 3 terms for the House. I want a draft, and no more wars unless Congres declares war and gives us a clear objective of what winning is
Bosphotoman 4 years ago
I agree.
Yukkione 4 years ago
Yukk Sorry for the verbal response I forgot I am a simple minded flag waiver. Damm I got to remember that I am not worthy to express my sophomoric ideas.
Bosphotoman 4 years ago
Be warned, many of the pro Freedom's watch comments are done by the same people with multiple accounts. Freedom's Watch is headed by former Bush Administration toady Bradley Blakemen. A google search of the group will reveal who their millionaire contributors are.
Yukkione 4 years ago
$15,000,000 for really bad ads. Sad.
They would have just given the money to the V.A. hospitals if they REALLY cared so much about the troops.
jjoplin69 4 years ago
JJOPLIN Send the same message to MoveOn.Orgs ad about Gen. Petraus
Bosphotoman 4 years ago
Moveon manipulatively uses sympathy for the troops in their ads to try & make their case against the war?
No, Bosphotoman. The ads are not equivalent. You either need a lesson in logic or you're a tool
jjoplin69 4 years ago
JJOPLIN I am a Tool. Your the smart one, and your a real hero. Hell you know alot more about the war in Iraq than these wounded troops. Sorry all of us Tools did not realize that using Cindy Sheehan was diffrent than using these folks. It's only ok to use these folks if they agree with your view. Sorry we didn't get that
Bosphotoman 4 years ago
'I am a tool' - and Ari Fleisher smiles, worth every penny of that 15 million.
They issue isn't the Iraq war. The issue is these Freedom Watch ads spinning bullshit about the Iraq war (and 9/11, and why we're over there).
But you apologized for your foolishness, that's a start I guess (but what's with the 'we' stuff, you think you're Royalty like the Queen of England or somethin')
jjoplin69 4 years ago
Jopplin The issue for me is your amti free speech attitude. What do you think of half the Democrates in the Senate denouncing the MoveOn Ad about Gen Petraus. Did the Dems denouce the FW Ads. You must have an impressive educational background. Care to share it with us? The FW ads never say Iraq war is connected to 9/11. Quote me where it says that.
Bosphotoman 4 years ago
"Duty, Honor, Country. Those three hallowed words reverently dictate what you OUGHT to be, what you CAN be, and what you WILL be."_________General Douglas MacArthur
aacyjemael 4 years ago 2
Four of the five board members of the latest pro-'surge' propaganda apparatus, 'Freedom's Watch', are all Jews, with the fifth being married to a Jew. Of eight major donors listed in the political newspaper Politico, four are wealthy Jews, (including Sheldon Adelson, chairman of the Las Vegas Sands Corp. and ranked by Forbes magazine as the third-wealthiest American). Of course, this must just be a coincidence, and anyone who says otherwise is an anti-Semite.
getplaning 4 years ago
DEAR GETPLANING AKA ADOLF HITLER: Thanks for the update Seig Heil Mien Furher: Ass Hole
ChestPuller 4 years ago 2
Theses Are the most disgusting, exploitational, vomit inducing, degrading ads i have ever seen. These ads defile the fallen soliders who want a free Iraq; there is no possible way that can happen WHEN WE ARE STILL OCCUPYING THEM!!! we should withdraw our troops, acknowledge we fucked up and be done with it. there is no need for thousands upon thousands more Soliders and Iraqis to die becuase "president" bush has his head so far up his ass that he can't face the facts even if he wanted to.
HurtfulProduct 4 years ago
HURTFUL Your comment is digusting. This is a father expressing his opinion. So in your mind this father is defiling the troops. I saw your stupid ass video of you firing you gun. Why don't you go Iraq Ass Hole. This is the father of a fallen Marine, and I as a former Marine, think you have no right to speak that way about the father of my fallen brother. Go fuck yourself Al Qaeda loving America hating punk
Gahhead 4 years ago 3
HURTFUL Roses are Red, Violets are Blue, I wouldn't want to be a piece of shit like you.
Gahhead 4 years ago 2
actually I feel i do you sorry little piss ant, my brother served in the coast guard and is currently a deputy, so yeah I have every right to speak my mind. And the fact is that yeah, he is defiling the troops, they should all be brought back and payed for their troubles. so go fuck yourself you sorry, ignorant, piece of shit. Also one of my good friends lost his father (another police officer) to some little shit head who didn't want a ticket, so i think i know a fraction of what he feels.
HurtfulProduct 4 years ago
You dont deserve to be an American. Not only is Mr. Wrobolewski my athletic director but he was my friend. I went to visit him after his son's death. I know the pain and grief he feels. He should have the right to say "Fuck Iraq, kill them all" if he wanted to. You cant say boo to him. You have no right to even comment about this. Saying a Father is defiling his own son is not only ludicrous but cold hearted.
Maine05 4 years ago
I'm sorry Mr. Wrobolewski for my language if you do see this. I'm just appauled by what people are writing on here. Stay strong, YOU ARE A GOOD AMERICAN. More people should follow suit,
Maine05 4 years ago
I feel sympathy for Mr. W, but he's letting Freedom's Watch and the war hawks take advantage of his grief, and the good name of his son. With all due respect, people don't get a completely free pass for saying irresponsible things.
Scentless 4 years ago
He is not doing that at all. I know Mrs. Wroblewski and I also know that her sone J.T. strongly believed in what he fought and ultimately gave his life for...and the Wroblewski family also feels very strongly that we must continue to fight...and p.s. J.T. will never lose his good name.
Kellie2604 3 years ago
Freedom's watch = Shamefull Zionist Pro-War Propaganda.
junkradio 4 years ago
JUNK Stop showing your hate for Jews. It is sad
JMlawyer 4 years ago 3
You are so correct about the protected in this country. They have no idea about ones duty towards freedom. They have their free speack due to those who served sucha s yourself. Funny that you do not hear much bitching from those who have served only those who cowards who hide behing their keyboards and blast true patriots.
cbarsonfire 4 years ago 2
"For those Marines who fought for it, freedom has a flavor that the protected will never know". [unidentified PFC, USMC; at Khe Sanh, Vietnam, April 1968]
Bosphotoman 4 years ago 3
Semper Fi! Thanks for your service.
cbarsonfire 4 years ago 4
My favorite flavor of Kool Aid is grape. All of you left wing nut jobs sound like broken records. Does the Democratic party allow you to think on your own? Come on tell me COMRADE. Be carefull, comrade, Dingy Harry Reid may listening.
cbarsonfire 4 years ago
Ari Fleischer was unable to name the wounded Iraq veteran featured in his organization's pro-war ad. "I don't have his name in front of me," said Fleischer when asked by Hardball host Mike Barnicle if he knew the soldier's name. Apparently, thinking on one's own isn't Ari's forte.
getplaning 4 years ago
"And let me be clear, the violence in Anbar has gone down despite the surge, not because of the surge. The inability of American soldiers to protect these tribes from al Qaeda said to these tribes we have to fight al Qaeda ourselves. It wasn't that the surge brought peace here. It was that the warlords took peace here, created a temporary peace here. And that is because there was no one else there protecting." _ Chuck Schumer
aacyjemael 4 years ago
Let's dispel this "myth" that the left and anti-war groups support the troops but not the war...explain to me WHY you want the troops home...it sure isn't for you CONCERN for their health and well being because it is quite obvious you don't give a DAMN about any of them...be TRUTHFUL about why you really want them home and read the quote above from one of the "left wing" leaders and what they REALLY think about the troops...
aacyjemael 4 years ago
Freedom's Watch is doing a wonderful job of promoting the TRUTH! Keep up the good work.
BornInAmerica 4 years ago 2
That must be the Kool-aid talking.
getplaning 4 years ago
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war is wrong in all its forms
asprin4themasses 4 years ago
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Sacrificing in order to keep something isn't sacrifice, its just a trade. we need to focus our attention. our money. our power. all we have to do is endure. when we get attacked, turn the other cheek. by becoming martyrs i assure you any message we preach will be multiplied tenfold. even if our entire nation was destroyed, what we stood for would infect the rest of the world like a plague, and who isnt willing to die for that?
this is the nature of true sacrifice
asprin4themasses 4 years ago
so I guess you will step up and let the terrorist cut you're head off good luck with that we won't miss you
gismotech 4 years ago
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so here's a thought
fuck the troops.
fuck anyone who wastes time talking about our war.
3,000 people died in 9/11. people act like that was a big deal.
places like africa have over 30,000 people dieing a DAY from starvation alone. thats ten 9/11's every day for africans. cigarettes, drugs, cancer, POLLUTION. the list of death tolls from these things separately all dwarf this little war.
asprin4themasses 4 years ago
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ASSPRIN4Theasses "3,000 people died in 9/11. people act like that was a big deal" Tell that to the souls of the firefighters and the people who had to jump from the 100th Flr of the WTC. AS to your saying "fuck the troops" Tell that to the troops in person. Don't hide behind the PC and say F the troops, that just proves that you are just a little C--t
Bosphotoman 4 years ago
"For those Marines who fought for it, freedom has a flavor that the protected will never know". [unidentified PFC, USMC; at Khe Sanh, Vietnam, April 1968]
Bosphotoman 4 years ago
Um. How about 'advancing your agenda' through facts and not shallow emotional manipulation...
If those are your 'values' - count me out!
Mothrafocker 4 years ago
Hey MOTHERFUCKER You have a problem with the dad of a dead Marined exercising his right of FRee Speech. Do you think the dad of a dead Marine has shallow emotions. If you feel that way you have no heart. He lsot his little boy and he wants to speak to America. Let him speak don't shit on him
Bosphotoman 4 years ago
THIS IS WHAT A HERO IS. Along the way, Lieutenant Wroblewski's unit was ambushed, his widow said. Several Marines were shot and fell from the vehicles to the ground. Lieutenant Wroblewski jumped out and was shot in the head while assisting the wounded Marines, she said. He was rushed to a hospital elsewhere in Iraq. There, Marines from his unit surrounded his bed."He gave a thumbs-up," and then shortly afterward, slipped away, she said through her tears.
JMlawyer 4 years ago 2
Mr. and Mrs Wroblewski. As a former Marine and Vietnam Vet I extend my condolences on your lose. I want you to know how impressed, I and so many other Marine Vietnam Vets are of todays young Marines. We feel that they have written their own chapter of courage and sacrifece in Maric Corps history. Semper Fi Sir
Bosphotoman 4 years ago 2
Nothing but propaganda, courtesy of Ari Fleischer and the ChickenShit Band. Why doesn't Ari haul his ass over there and ride with the (empty) convoys. He wouldn't last a day, but he has no problem suckering in other folks to do it for him, while he sits here raking in the bucks. What a worthless piece of shit.
HoosierDeb444 4 years ago
HOOSIERDEB444 The troops in the ad went to Iraq and payed a heavy price. The family members also paid a high price. They have a right to speak on any venue they choose. Ari Fleischer has a right to run an Ad. What do you want? Should the families and the wounded vets get your approval to run this Ad? do you want to try to legally prevent these Ads?
JMlawyer 4 years ago 2
If I could LEGALLY prevent these ads I would. I find it disgusting that LIES are being used to KILL OUR KIDS and LINE THE POCKETS of this CHICKENHAWK ADMIN & their cronies. I hope BushCo is tried for war crimes, convicted, and sentenced to life w/no parole. Clear enough for you?
HoosierDeb444 4 years ago
HOOSIERDEB That would be a slippery slope. You outlaw someones Ad and the next thing you know you Ad is banned. That is unbelievable that you would eliminate the 1st Amendment. Yes it is clear you are the enemy of the state. 100's of thousands have died for free sppech
JMlawyer 4 years ago
HOOSIERDEB444 We are not afraid to entrust the American people with unpleasant facts, foreign ideas, alien philosophies, and competitive values. For a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people. ~John F. Kennedy
JMlawyer 4 years ago
This is not an 'open market' anymore thanks to BushCo. They have hijacked this country and are systematically dismantling our Constitution. THAT'S A FACT. If it take legal action to remove this FALSE ADVERSTISING, then so be it. It's getting kids killed so the NeoCons can line their pockets. Americans ARE waking up - finally. Hence, these ads to keep as many asleep as they can for as long a possible. In the meantime, the bodies pile up.
HoosierDeb444 4 years ago
HOOSIERDEB444 What a hypocrite!! Your talking about Bush dismantaling the Constitution. And then you want to take legal action to remove a false ad! The words of a dead Marine spoken by his father is opinion, and if you do not like the dead Marines words you want to take the 1st amendment and throw it in the trash can. Seriously are you really American, you take like Joe Stalin. Your a zealot and an amazing hypocrite
Bosphotoman 4 years ago
Bush has already got a good portion undone. Can you say FISA? Evidently, you have problems with comprehensive reading. What part of LEGAL measures do you not understand? That IS Constitutional. No wonder Bush has run this country off in a ditch, with clueless parrots for supporters. I suppose you'd have no problem with buying a car advertised to have brakes, only to find out IT'S A LIE after you'd run someone down. Please... stay the hell out of my neighborhood.
HoosierDeb444 4 years ago
HOOSEBAG If Bush has commited a crime he will be impeached. In the mean time show me one LIE this poor father has said. What neighborhood is that. Stay out of this grieving fathers face.
Bosphotoman 4 years ago
Bospho wanna cracker?
HoosierDeb444 4 years ago
HoseBag Not sure what that means? We should meet at a bar and get drunk and I bet we would have one hell of a brawling debate. You would probably beat me and have duct tape put over my mouth. I have to admit you are fiesty!
Bosphotoman 4 years ago
You sure you want to fight a girl? I should warn you, my hubby played hockey (defense) for years, so I know what to do with my elbows. ;-) Besides, you don't need me to tape your mouth. Any informed person would recognize the BS immediately, so you're your own worst enemy. Fiesty? Maybe... More like pissed off & disgusted with too many years of deceit, manipulation, greed, & hubris from this Admin. I've had enough.
HoosierDeb444 4 years ago
HoosierDeb I am sick of this war to My problem is that everyone is jumping on the people who appear in the ads. They have called dupes, and payed liars, liars, whores, stupid,etc. I beleive they have every right to speak, and the group FW has every right to run the Ads. I also beleive that if we leave Iraq things will only get worse and we will be back there. Well you ould probably beat me Im 60 but in good shape
Bosphotoman 4 years ago 3
If they're so concerned, then why would they support sending MORE kids to die? That doesn't compute. There has to be some motivation. I'm guessing they're just trying to find some comfort in justifying madness. So, yes, the language is strong. I think our kids lives are worth it. We can't fix the mess in Iraq & staying is making it worse for both countries. Get an int'l peace-keeping force to assist the Iraqi's as we switch our forces to a REAL TARGET - like ObL.
HoosierDeb444 4 years ago
like the int'l peace keeping forces that have been in lebanon since the 80's thats worked real well and who is going to provide 40 or 50,000 troops France? don't count on it maybe China don't count on it grow up we need to finseh what was started
gismotech 4 years ago 3
I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
* Voltaire Rea
Bosphotoman 4 years ago
The only lies are democrat lies and a left wing loser admits that free speech is only for them I hope Pelosi and Ried are tried for treason and adding the enemy and hung you along with them
gismotech 4 years ago 4
You can't recollect from your HISTORY lessons about WWII and why we entered that war? There were NAYSAYERS like you during WWII as well but thank GOD we had people in positions of leadership that had the HUTZPUH to go to war and do the RIGHT THING. You are just a clueless tree hugging PRIUS driving nobody who enjoys FREEDOM because of those who FOUGHT for it years ago. You have NO concept about what this war is really about. You just spout the LIBERAL status quo is all.
munacra 4 years ago
Why so angry. No need to slander others just because you feel your view is correct. And dont do it on this page of all places. I do agree on some points though but this page is a rememberance for Lt. John T Wrobolewski. No negativity needed.
Maine05 4 years ago 3
AGREED! Let's respect those that gave their lives regardless of personal political beliefs.
Kellie2604 3 years ago
John Wroblewski An American Hero.
IrishRoseJC 4 years ago 5
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Too bad his family is using his death to pimp the WarMachine that got him killed. The ads are taking advantage of our troops' sacrifice to generate more victims for the meat-grinder.
HoosierDeb444 4 years ago
Hoosie De to bad you are still trying to control people's right to speak. To say the ads are taking advantage of our troops is your opinion of the Ads outcome. It is not the opinion of this Marines Family.
Leave them alone
Bosphotoman 4 years ago 3
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This Marine's family is operation on false information. They'll regret this ad one day, imo. It's a horrible legacy to attach to a brave soldier's sacrifice.
HoosierDeb444 4 years ago
and I bet you support cindy shehan pimping herself to stop the war what a two faced whore of the leftwing losers
gismotech 4 years ago
Not content having misled the nation into war, Fleischer and his Israeli front group are now arguing that the bloodiest summer of the war yet is a sign that "that the buildup of U.S. troops in Iraq is working."
getplaning 4 years ago
GETPLaning is a front man for Anti-Semitism
Bosphotoman 4 years ago 2
The quote of Fleischer's are his own words.
The fact that Freedom's Watch is funded by wealthy Jews does not make me a front man for Anti-Semitism.
getplaning 4 years ago
"When you take a look at the level of violence inside of Iraq, it is impossible to argue anything other than violence has, indeed, come down as a result of America's military operations." Ari Fleischer, 6/25/03
getplaning 4 years ago
you qoute a clinton hack that did nothing to combat terrorist moron
gismotech 4 years ago
LOL, Ari Fleischer was the White House Press Secretary for the Bush administration, "moron".
getplaning 4 years ago
sorry thinking of the wrong guy
gismotech 4 years ago
GETPLANNIng You call ARi Fleischer a moron. I wonder if you have the brain power to be the press secretary to the President
Bosphotoman 4 years ago