Bus gets stuck in snow and traction control OSLO

[MusTheBunneh]

Is that a MAN Lion's City?

[nlty2000]

why not use snow tyres?

[MIKEYPOOHBEARJACKSON]

i think everyone should of stayed home

[Jorgen87]

klassisk hvert eneste år :D skulle ikke bussene ha kjettinger klare da?

[koelleballong2]

@Jorgen87

Kjetting er til nødbruk. Det ville vært svært ubehagelig for passasjerene og bety en maltraktering av asfalten. Mye enklere å få strøbilen dit og la være å salte i minus 15. Dessuten burde de bussjåførene som alltid tar igang med full gass, og dermed forårsaker denne holka på holdeplassene, fått smake pisken.

[Jorgen87]

@koelleballong2 Der er jeg veldig uenig.. enhver storbilsjåfør velger å være sikker enn å prøve seg. Om et stort kjøretøy ikke kommer seg opp bakker så har man gjerne få valg.. enten å parkere eller legge på kjetting. Det er ikke alle gangene som strø hjelper noe særlig. Om alle bussene hadde boggie og samme egenskapene som en lastebil har så hadde man flere valg enn de over ;)

[koelleballong2]

@Jorgen87

På en bussrute som tar 30min fra A til B så blir det håpløst om sjåføren skal legge om til kjetting for to holdeplasser så da må verkstedet legge om på alle iløpet av natten og bussene gå med det hele dagen.Da snakker vi massiv slitasje med tanke på at det passerer en buss hvert 5min der ved Oslogate.Den lavgulvbussen vi ser på filmen kan heller ikke bruke kjetting da den er for lav. Oslo kommune satte krav om lave busser mot at de skulle sørge for å strø.

[Jorgen87]

@koelleballong2 ok.. er det ikke mulig for de å ha autokjetting da? tar jo lengre tid å vente på strøbilen enn å legge på kjetting men når ikke høyden på dekka tåler det så blir det jo litt verre.

[koelleballong2]

@Jorgen87

Som du ser så behøvde han ikke vente på noe som helst, han kom seg jo opp. Første bussen som får problemer melder til sentralen som igjen gir beskjed eller purrer på brøyting/grus eller salt. Avhengig av problemene ellers i byen så kommer de ganske raskt. I Oslo er det skjeldent ruter innstilles pga føre,men episoder hvor for mange busser har blitt påkjørt av personbiler har ført til midlertidig innstilling av drift

[zomb1slayer]

pwned

[shnockey]

hahahha we never get this in australia enjoy your cold noobs

[merqury5]

@shnockey well we dont get forest fires so I think we'll continue to regard our selfs as lucky. But it sure is cold

[marshalllucky]

@shnockey No but then again you have shit beer, no culture and paul hogan ;-(

[MeetTheSheep]

@shnockey Though we're rich, don't have fcking poisonous animals everywhere, aaaand we've got summer too ;) So we'll enjoy our oil and continue having the prettiest nature in the world, and being able to experience snow and all it's beauty. Lol.

[ritiprd]

summer tires..oh yeah!

[merqury5]

One problem we have in oslo is that the city is built in a bay with steep hills in all sides so its prettymuch upphill all the time.

[Bqrufz1]

the engine is in the back of the bus duh

[chueflade]

trailer wheel drive :D

[Surlie06]

i know this is bad but i still love the winter!!!

[Zblj1987]

Sounds like somene is sawing wood or mumbling...

[Lukas55435]

keine winterreifen?

[wow0yunnies]

Ask all the passengers move to the back of the bus for more traction.

[747AnanasBoeing747]

nice camera zoom sounddddddd omg

[leirikhol]

Jeg liker måten NBRs #88 bare eier MANen opp bakken etterpå.

[tobb1875]

Welcome to norway the coldes fucking countrey u ever visit !

[Amybot2]

edd matt and tord was there that year

[DragonicArbalist]

I wanna visit Norway so bad!

[merqury5]

@DragonicArbalist  Why?? For the cold? youre welcome anyway.

[gtasandman]

@merqury5 police is spled polite

[toquielkan]

@merqury5 for the hot blondes :)

[Bollalillo]

@DragonicArbalist for the hot chicks and party's<3

[HB45175]

Who thought it was a good idea to buy bendy buses with the engine powering the rear? Can't see the make of this one but down here in Gothenburg we run Volvo bendys (of course) and they are midengined and have drive on the second axle.

[G4M1NGK1DD]

These Are Rear Wheel Drive Buses ? in uk The Buses are front wheel drive

[Puffyclunge]

@G4M1NGK1DD Which ones G. Most are rear.

[condowallace]

@G4M1NGK1DD what buses would they be?

[justinlynch3]

Bendy buses suck. You see how easily the city bus came up the hill behind the bendy bus, no trouble. They need to stop buy shit and buy either city buses or school buses. (We do that here in Newfoundland. City's like St. John's has city buses, but on real busy we'll pull out off duty school buses and use them as city buses.)

[koelleballong2]

@justinlynch3

It`s easy to replace a bendy with to city buses,but you`ll need one more busdriver then? Do you have lot`s of off duty drivers hanging around to?

[sparky577]

Whoops!



[g1g4h3rtz]

I live in Romania and here, everytime the bus gets stucked, after a few minutes of driver efforts... the people (except old people, off course) get of the bus and start pushing.

[GTAprogamer111]

Where was that?

[merqury5]

@GTAprogamer111 Its in Oslo centrum, capitol of Norway. 

[bestamerica]

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why not the bus can use 4 chain tires on the ice / snow

[robin656]

Vist Norge er det rikeste landet i verden, bør de vell ha penger til å kjøpe busser som er tilpasset til det norske miljøet og været!

[arteddie]

london is gonna get rid of all the bendy buses. nothing but trouble

[PlanetTivoli]

omg bus WIN!

[Invissibl]

PEOPLES ARE JUST LOOKIN!!!!!!

[taxithor]

well sjåføren kan jo ikke kjøre heller da...sikkert en fra varmere strøk antar jeg...har selc kjørt disse bussene...ingen problem om man bruker huet og øya..skikkelig pussy om du ikke fixer dette da..

[Yommt83]

I worked in oslo for the postal service and we always had a bucket of gravel to use, but i gave away mostly of our gravel to busses in this situation.. same chaos every year..

[Vandwo]

won`t give great advice, but in my country (which is in south region and here the temps in winter do not get so mad, maximum like -20) So we use sand on streets, so the tier can have grip, this might help in this situation too i guess. Btw i`m curious why the lift power is on the rear tiers instead on the front tiers like most city busses? Is it because of the weight of the engine in the back, make G force to the rear tiers so they can have nice grip or?

[merqury5]

@Vandwo Hit here. In norway and particulary in oslo we prefer to spray salt on the roads. Sand would cause too much dust and a big clean up job. Typically on the worst days the busses use chains, but they are studded and should have some grip. Why the power is in the back is because it didn't matter where the buses were designed to run originally.

[Vandwo]

@merqury5 aha thx for the info, here we use salt too, but our roads are dirty enough (if we have them where they should be on the map...) Anyway chains on public transport, seems the winter is really mad on the Scandinavia. Anyway this is kinda wrong, to take/buy buses with people money with out testing them for the country/town all seasons requirements.

[Lucvanros]

@merqury5 Thats not treu. Busses hav rear wheel drive for the same reasons als trucks. more waight on the rear wheels because thats also where the engine is. more waight = more traction.

[simnorw]

@Vandwo Hello, I have been a busdriver in Oslo,Norway for the last 14 years. I have in these years been driving different makes/models like: Volvo,Scania,M.A.N.,Mercedes and Solaris and all of them have back wheels drive. You say that most city busses have front wheel drive, can you please name the make/model?

[Vandwo]

@simnorw Aha i`m not really sure, i taught they are like most cars with front wheel drive, here we have some Ikarus buses which are with front (don`t know there specific models but they are kinda old buses 1980-1990)

[stewartx5]

@Vandwo > '.. why.. rear tiers instead .. front tiers ..'

Front-wheel-drive sucks, which is why, amongst other reasons, most trucks, buses, vans, tow vehicles, race cars, and luxury cars don't have it. The only truly significant benefit is more profit from lower manufacturing costs, but at the expense of both handling and performance.

[Vandwo]

@stewartx5 i agree and disagree with you. Some electric buses (trolley) have 2 engines (electric) , middle and rear one. Anyway yes big manufactures save a lot of money from driving shaft. But try some winter to park on Reverse your car with rear wheel drive. Its really hard when you have ice under your wheels, and you don`t have the heavy engine and other parts to make more weight and make more good grip on the tiers and the ice. Your car will shake its back, left/right becouse of the low grip

[terrialan3]

@Vandwo should have thrown onw of the hotties in the vid under the the bus! for traction only of course! lol

[daniloorbolato]

@Vandwo you mean tire and tires right?

[chmarr]

the drive wheels are ment to be on the front half and the wheels on the rear were ment ot be static, unless its been converted into AWD

[koelleballong2]

@chmarr

On older mid engine buses the drive wheels were on the nr 2 aksel,but the low floor buses has the engine in the back and RWD. The mid engine buses didnt have room for wheelchairs or baby carriages

[lazygamerz]

@merqury5

ehm, wrong, all buses are equal, they just have to put some tyre-chains on them. might wear the road a bit over a few years, but atleast you dont kill anyone because you're a bus with no control. (all semi-trailers have them, in norway anyways)

[02Nawal]

that's why they should fucking plow their streets right away

[Bus7777]

That bus stop at the end looks like Winnipeg Transit's new stops.

[Tyckarn]

WOW!!! Skaplig action!! Lätt värt att lägga ut på youtube!! Hahahaha!!

[merqury5]

Slikt drama måste publiseres!

[mi16t]

why not ask passengers to the back of the bus to put weight on the drive axle????  Are people really this dense nowadays?

[asaluste007]

Yes they are.

[EnjoyFirefighting]

don't remember that a bus in my city ever got suck

[ediandpen]

I am a bus driver here in Zurich, Switzerland. In answer to the comment from Anon514: it is impossible to have 2 axles driven on a low floor bus because the driveshaft to the middle axle will not fit under the bend in the middle without hitting the road. We have newer Hess single and double bend electric buses with 2 driven axles. This is only possible as we have 4 electric motors driving 2 axles. Even then we get stuck :-)

[Anon514]

which still means its bad designing because those low floor buses have the engine in the trailer.

the engine should be in the first section of the bus to drive the center axel because that axel would get the most traction due to the fact that it would not only have the weight of the engine over the center axel but it would also have the weight of the front end of the trailer to help with traction.

think of a pickup, if its RWD...no weight in the back means it will get stuck, always.

[Anon514]

...this is the same scenario. you have the drive axels on a trailer...which is a bad idea to begin with. but also, there is a good amount of weight sitting on the trailer's axel...but not enough to give it enough traction to move all the weight in the front of the bus.

[janjancummings]

@Anon514 if you put the engine in the middle you have to raise the floor to fit the engine, and then wheelchair users would need someone to lift them on to the bus, same with baby strollers and all other wheel-based equipment, that is why they put the engine all the way at the back,

[busrailfan]

@janjancummings - Check out Van Hool's Low Floor Articulated model where the engine IS mounted in the front on the left side of the bus and is still a low floor design.

[janjancummings]

@busrailfan yes i know it is possible, but the downsides with those is a noisy bus(imagine having that big engine right next to your ears for a whole day) , more power is lost through driveshafts and gears due to the angles needed on the driveshaft, if you really want a low floor design with mid wheel drive you could use a electric motor to drive the wheels and have a diesel generator in the back, but these buses either have flaws, hard to maintain,or expensive in purchase or operation

[busrailfan]

@janjancummings - Agreed. as I drive Bus for a living. However, I rode the Van Hools with Cummins ISM engine and they were not that loud at all.

[Clubmeber2869]

☺ fail ☺

[Anon514]

i blame stupid designing, seems the drive wheels are the 2 wheels of the trailer lol...which makes no sense tbh

[weeardguy]

@Anon514 Same here in the Netherlands. It's the problem of low-floor buses: placing the engine at the back of the first section is impossible, as the floor would have to be raised, and wheelchair-users and passengers with baby-strollers would have some help to get on the bus... There isn't any room for the engine... sit it's placed all the way to the back.

[gummimainn]

Hørt om kjetting?? å funker det ikke å legge kjettinger er det bare å hive søppla.. for skikkelige busser må man ha slik at man kan legge kjettinger på... ikke de der lekebussene.

Eller kan dere legge kjetting?

Var i oslo i fjor vinter, han som kjørte bussen kunne ikke legge kjettinger på, så jeg måtte ut å legge på bussen slik at vi kunne komme oss hjem.

[coelhonebuloso]

rear wheel drive sucks on every vehicle, I drove a Mercedes Sprinter last year with traction control, I had to switch it OFF to get away, the traction control was alternating for the driven wheel, causing me to go lateral, when i switched it off, my wheels slipped of course, but I was able to get it in the direction i wanted to go again

[madmick32]

what was going on with the police van at the bottom of the road

[nomelcire]

Stopping traffic.....

because a big ass bus was stuck.

[merqury5]

The police actually had a intelligent moment and realized it would be helpful for the bus not to be rear-ended by traffic, it was impressive thinking. The snow is almost here now so I am hoping to catch some new clips.

[johanellstrom]

I used to live in the apartment to the right. The buses got stuck all the time :D

[6V92TA]

thats alotta bus for those back wheels to push.

[merqury5]

I'm thinking about going out at the first snow this year and catch some new footage. Its the same story every year!

[6V92TA]

lol!! man that has to be frustrate'in though. hit'in the gas and a simple thing like getting traction jus aint workin out.

[merqury5]

Seems like the buses dont have very powerful engines so they give them the beans when taking off and therefore dig down before the TC gets in. But it was a hell of a slippery day that and the road has been salted so it was kind of slippery. I have to get more of this!

[koelleballong]

Snitthastigheten på linje 37 ligger under 20km/t så er det minste effektuttak på motorene. Du har helt rett i at de fleste av disse situasjonene ville vært unngått ved at sjåføren såvidt ga gass til å begynne med. Ved full spiker rekker de omtrent en runde før TC`en hogger inn og kveler all kraft. Da har man enten polert underlaget eller gravet seg ned. Ble terpet på det hver vinter når jeg jobbet der, men stupid is as stupid does

[peterudbjorg]

Use trams instead. We dont have trouble with some snow!

[KOOKAIK]

Trams and snow! Are you stupid??? Maybe in a flat country, but not in Norway! Maybe a funicular! :)

[peterudbjorg]

Trams work excellent in snow. And on hilly country too. No problem getting to Kjelsås or Ekeberg. You, my friend, are stupid for posting such a stupid remark.

[topinetti]

bello de

[yochirori]

interesting vid.

thanx.

what driven 3rd axle?

shaft? hydraulic?

[multiscotch]

Normal driveshaft, the engine is located at the very rear of the bus

[olegutn]

du er garantert fra en skitstad selv...

[rescuesquadmj]

have the bus behind it push

[FBZugBus]

bad MAN :-)

i know, bendybuy on snow is not the best^^

[FBZugBus]

bendy bus of course ^^ not buy...

->

in Germany all these buses have traktion only at the back-wheels.

sometimes it sux i know :-)

[sslusshy]

I wish people knew how to drive in snow..... THe less throttle the MORE traction...

[weeardguy]

@sslusshy: The problem is that with those low-floor buses, the engine is in the back of the bus, thereby only generating traction at the backwheels.

Before Arriva came here in Purmerend (city in Noord-Holland, the Netherlands) we had buses that had there traction at the front or middle wheels (I don't know which one) That makes a hell of a difference as the front part of the bus is heavier than the back. (besides that, high-floor buses are better in general)

[Tramsydamsy]

this company's name is Unibuss.

Oww and Kolsåsbakken from Avløs to Haslum. Damn nightmare with the car drivers not thinking with their head. The bridge ther aint big enought to take a bus, and a car :D

[cactuarizamoron]

lol that sux! back wheel drive needs to puch all that dam weight of the bus up the hill! thats just sad

[normahS]

Actually, a lot of the never busses carry chains which can be applied "as you go". The driver can just press a button on his dashboard and you suddenly hear the sound of chains on the bus. That goes for a lot of MAN and Scania at least.

[wulfgar00]

what is the scandinavian bus company name??

[Oneweak86]

Volvo and Scania :P

[merqury5]

And these days snowchains for ordinary cars are so well made that you can use them without holding on to your spine.

I havent seen one in use here in norway for 20 years, tires have gotten better, the cars are better and the winters are mild.

sounds like grand trips you'll had!

[LightningFever86]

Here in NYC, the MTA is so prepared for wintry conditions that they put snow chains about 12 hours BEFORE a winter storm!!!

[merqury5]

better safe than sorry I say. I guess you guys have every kind of bus there is over there.

[LightningFever86]

Not exactly. My favorite one is the New Flyer D60HF.

[Tramsydamsy]

These how ever, are 30, 30 40 %, and that is no good at the winter, and steep hills. I drive the new man's, and those old mans alot from either Kværnerbyen to Voksenskog, or those, from Majorstuen to Kolsås. Like the snow we got this week, it is always interesting to see if we get where we should

[Tramsydamsy]

Hmm, the reply dident go to well. Anyway, the normal busses are normally at a weight rasio of 40/60 front and back, or 50/50. That makes a big diffrance on the traction. Also, the driver should really gear down to D1, or D2, not leave the auto box at D

[merqury5]

Speaking english for our english readers.

I feel for the drivers, but also think that the company should take better care in training the personnel for our driving conditions.

oslos most scary job I say!

kolåsbakken, den er fin!

[turbodieselleopard]

snow chain?

[merqury5]

they put them on AFTER the snow comes and all the buses are stuck. Their foresight isn't all that considering we're in norway.

[trifttrift]

it's the same here in Sweden

[Lukans89]

The best solution here is manual gearbox and clutch :)

[merqury5]

but you would think that these busses would be advanced enough to have a gear box setting to deal with this kind of surface. I don't know if it exists or not but thats what I think.

[Easytronic]

I have never understand why buses have problem in snow. Even if the are 50 cm snow - a big bus should do it!

[wawonas]

They seriously need to develop a 4wd bus. They can get traction on the 2nd axle...of course the 3rd axle which would help with the traction for sure.

[merqury5]

the russians MUST have come up with a solution to this, lets google!

[streetlampsatsix]

this is kind of funny. i can't believe 6,000 people have watched this video of this bus getting stuck.

[merqury5]

there are quite a lot more who are disappointed by the performance of these buses so there are more to come I suspect.

go on, watch it again and rate it!

[streetlampsatsix]

haha. hey, i am assuming you live in oslo so you speak norwegian? could you recommend any online resources for learning the language? thanks!

[gablia02]

i drive artics..great clip!

[merqury5]

you can feel the drives pain. I know they hate the bus during winter, and Oslo city has really narrow streets and tight cornes.

one actually skid of the road up on the sidewalk last week and squished a couple!

[gablia02]

i am in australia and dont have the ice problem but in the tight side streets when wet the trailer can become loose around corners.when u look in side mirror and see trailer out side ways it can be a bit scary again great clip :)

[Dennizis]

that's why Belarussian company MAZ didn't place the motor in the second part of the bus and made the first and the second wheel tracking, to be able to sell it to several Russian cities lol

And that's why IKARUS 280 was such a success for Ikarus during the Soviet Union time.

[comsunjava]

The IKARUS was built in Hungary, so it had to be as from I've heard, the Hungarians don't plow too much. I'm imagining they do the main roads, but some people simply put the car away in the garage for the winter, but those buses run around the clock.

In the same way, the old Skoda had the engine in the rear, and had good traction in the mountains.

[looooopy123]

y exactly u make this vid???

[merqury5]

the point is the really bad traction this kind of bus has on this kind of surface. Its a blow against the company for choosing to buy these buses.

[looooopy123]

but y do utubers need to kno dis???

[merqury5]

its for people living in oslo and those generally interested in buses. Is that so freaking hard to fathom? Im getting annoyed here.

[Griffencph]

...And the white bus just sitting there waiting...

[merqury5]

Se how the police car has stopped in the end of the street to block traffic while the bus struggles. Smart. And note how easily the white bys gets of the mark, show what a bad design the red bus is.

[Airox180]

These types of buses are all bad on snow. Notice, at first the traction control is activated, then it`s shut off.

[merqury5]

there isn't much the driver could do I guess 'cept givin' it the beans.