The books were a great read but not one mention of baptism which Jesus actually went through with his mentioned "one before him" I have never read changes in the the King James version of the Bible which Mormons use with Faith
My response is this "If any man shall add to these things" it is completely referring to the Book of Revelations not the whole bible. John was and has been the only one that has been shown these things. I worry about one thing with all the evangelicals right now that in all their movies which I enjoy watching like Left Behind etc..
1)your jesus is brother to lucifer. Christian's Jesus is his creator. 2)your jesus is exalted man. Christian's Jesus is God Himself 3)your jesus born of virgin birth but impregnated by immortal man. Christian's Jesus - God incarnate begotten of the Holy Spirit 4)your god attained his "godhood" Christian's God has always been God. 5)your jesus' blood doesn't cover all sins. Christian's Jesus' blood covers ALL sin. - Your beliefs are in direct contradiction with the Word of God
OK Then....... I am totally Non-Denominational (ex-Catholic & ex-Baptist...stories full of pain and too long to tell). Here is what I believe: ~Luke 23:26-43 ~Matt 27:45-54 ~Jn 19:31-37 ~Matt 27:57-66 ~Jn. 3:16 ~Acts. 2:38 ~Jn. 3:3-5 ~Rom. 10:13 ~Matt. 6:14-15 ~Eph. 2:4-5 ~Titus 3:4-6 ~Eph. 2:8-9 ~Titus 3:4-7 ~Rom. 5:9 Beyond that what I believe is none of your business. And read each of those before you bother to comment to me again.
I have been a member of the Mormon faith all my life and never saw anyone hate someone of a different faith for being that faith. We just disagree on issues like the baptists to methodists etc.
@hammerogod Ha Ha Presbyterians, Methodists, Southern Baptist Convention can't agree with themselves! You for got the Unitarins ooops they believe everything or anything Jehovah Witnesses? I just didn't have room before. why not make one big religion, sort of mix them up Your like most Mormon haters on here you will agrue anythig just to confusel things, just to keep it that way. You want us to defend our faith on every verse yet you will not even admit to your own religion.
@scottwins2 About Doctrine they agree. Let me ask you a couple of questions. I don't expect straight answers but perhaps you will take a chance and try. I know that Mormons believe...it runs counter to every Christian Denomination's Doctrine on the identity of God. ~ Was God once a man? ~ Does God live on Kolob with His wife? ~ Does God have a God? ~ Can I be like God? ~ Will I ever have power and authority that equals or exceeds God's? Any YES answer excludes you from Christianity..
@scottwins2 "Presbyterians, Methodists, Southern Baptist Convention can't agree with themselves! " The Jehovah's Witnesses are fruitier than the LDS...not saying much. But the other mainline denominations pretty much agree on the the crucial issues. And they agree on these things too: ~God was never a man. ~God is an Eternal Spirit. ~God does not live on Kolob with His 'Wives'. ~God did not have sex with Mary. ~Joseph Smith is not necessary for Salvation. ~The Mormon Gospel is heresy.
@hammerogod Again you are too embarrassed to even speak of your own faith or do you have one? You believe in Platos God for sure "The One" "The Devine" A spirit. Is he like smoke in a room? or does he float "into and fill your heart yet he can fill the universe" sorry, Christ came back and got his body did he not? And left with it. where did he put it in a closet somewhere? He showed the apostles the nail prints in his hands and feet. Christ has a body wether you want him to or not.
..."Again you are too embarrassed to even speak of your own faith"...
My Faith belongs and exists in My Heart, God's Heart, in My Prayers and in My Life....not on YouTube.
I only commented because it seemed necessary to defend Denominational Christianity from the ignorance of the people who think the the various Denominations all have different creeds.
The differences between the Baptists and the Methodists is MUCH smaller than the differences between the LDS and the RLDS.
@hammerogod Waite a minute.God was never a Man?Did Jesus not walk the earth as a Man?Genesis says we are created in His image.Did Christ not refer to Himself as 'The Son of Man"?Thereyago.From the lips of the Savior Himself declaring the nature of God the Father along with the testimony of Moses Peter Steven and many others who testify to Gods attributes.So where does god live then?Where does Christ reside now.If he dosnt have his physical resurrected body then he must have died again
@jferristube Son of Man is an Hebrew idiom for the tetragrammaton (YHWH) It is one of many names, indicating their understanding that God would become the son of a man, in the physical sense. They also call Him YHWH Yirah (provider), Adonai and so on. Yes, He walked the earth as a man according to our perception, but He was not a man, but God in the flesh. I have been fortunate to study with a great Christian teacher who is also a Jewish Rabbi. Hebrew Roots clears up much misunderstanding..
I have learned from the words of Prophets of Old and modern day prophets of today but most of all. I have learned truth from God through the teacher of All truth.The Holy Ghost as promised us by Christ himself.
I say this Not to offend but as a clear statement of truth.
not tryin to be flippant or condescending here but if the Hebrew were on the "ball" then how come they Didnt "get it" when their god showed up. Didnt "Know" understand or Believe He was who He said He was.
All their learning and knowledge of the scripture at the time and they "Missed" it.
Got it All wrong Then and still get it wrong today as a people.In fact they will only finally "get it" when He does return to save them from complete annhialation when the whole world will be united against them.When the resurrected Christ will return showing them he Is/Was the Christ who their ancestors had slain.
@hammerogod If they disagree on anything god has said then one perhaps evn both have the wrong interpretation.Christ said man must live by Every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of god.You cannot say that agreeing to only "parts" of His Gospel is all Honkeydorie mate..To say that about basic gospel principles Is indeed heresy.We believe that God will Yet reveal many more great and important things partaining to His Kingdom.The Bible does Not contain all He desires us to know of Him..
@hammerogod I have never placed Joseph in front or above the Savior in any way nor have I ever seen that taught in the LDS Faith. Brigahm Young said, "Miracles, or those extraordinary manifestations of the power of god, are not for the unbeliever; they are to console the Saints, and to strengthen and confirm the faith of those who love, fear, and serve God." Thanks for bringing up this great man, Brigham Mountain Meadows? the crooks were shot as per jury. Better than the laws of today.
I go to lds.org and fairlds when I have questions regarding the vast differences between Biblical Christianity and what is commonly thought, taught and believed by Mormons.
I still come up with unanswered questions.
Mormons disregard huge differences between the Bible and the BoM and then they refer me to other books.
@hammerogod I've read the Bible and have started again. This time I'm starting with the New Testament. Our beliefs fit. That's a fact. And your questions are ignorant. We don't call others evil.
“But even if we or an angel from heaven (moroni) should preach to you a gospel other than what we have preached to you, curse be on him!” Galatians 1:6-9 Mormon’s are not prepared for the coming apocalypse, Huge Sorrow will be to the mormon who refuse to see the truth, You have been warned your fall will be great. Read the BIBLE ONLY!
I agree that Rev. 22:18 is not a good vewrse to use. I start with Genesis 1:1. "In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth". The LDS church teaches that God was a man born on a pre-existing planet.
@Freedom0rBust Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Joseph Smith, 2007.
"God Himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! That is the great secret." (p. 40)
"Here, then, is eternal life—to know the only wise and true God; and you have got to learn how to be gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, . . ." (p. 221)
@Freedom0rBust Brighamm Young taught further that God the Father was once a man on another planet who "passed the ordeals we are now passing through; he has received an experience, has suffered and enjoyed, and knows all that we know regarding the toils, sufferings, life and death of this mortality." (p. 29)
thank you so much for being a reasonable fellow christian. As a mormon i feel like the only one of my friends (who are non mormon) who is even remotely reasonable. All my friends tell me that i am going to hell...which doesnt even make sense. they say if you accept christ, that alone is enough to get you to heaven...so by that logic, all mormons would be going to heaven too, regardless of whether or not JS was a prophet or not. but for some inexplicable reason they think im going to hell...
@Porojukaha just one fallacy in your thinking. at the end you say that it says in the bible that you cant add to Gods word. well, your right, you cant....unless you are a prophet. If you couldnt add to gods word under ANY circumstances, no books could have been written after moses' books, which would mean that the JEWS and not contemporary christians are in possesion of all of the truth because they would be the only ones who beleive in a text that has never been added to.
@Porojukaha your argument is further weakened by the fact that the bible itself was compiled long after the death of all of the apostles and by men that were
very confused. the amount of paganism that was introduced into christianity around the time the bible itself was compiled from the many books and letters they had is sickening. Just study history. It will really open your eyes. But dont study it too much, or you might convert to mormonism. :-)
by the way, the men who compiled the bible were actually violating all of the places where it says you cant add on to the word because they were adding those other books! its also a historically documented fact that at that time, and throughout the ages the catholic church has removed and added a LOT to the bible. so much so that there are whole parts of it where scholars are completely unsure of its historical accuracy. and yet you claim its a perfect book? history would beg to differ my friend
@Porojukaha Why are there so many verses directly quoted from the King James version? If this book were an original there is absolutely explanation as to why the wording is exactly that of the King James.
Besides, who wants to listen to a prophet that shot a person?
@Icannottolerateit I've wondered this myself. Why would God inspire one prophet to write *word-for-word* what He ALREADY inspired another prophet to write? Even the *italicized* words that WEREN'T THERE until the King James was translated. You don't see huge chunks of Deuteronomy in Daniel, for example. It seems the gods of Mormonism have a redundancy problem with redundancy. Or maybe one Mormon god didn't know what another Mormon god had already inspired.
it makes me so sad to see all this people believing in the book of mormon, Jesus taught us one thing, salvation trough faith, by genuine repentance and accepting Jesus Christ as our only Lord and Savior, therefore if we have really changed and have received the holy Spirit, we will obey God, not men!!! men are manipulated by Satan to derail us from the truth of Jesus, if you believe in Jesus there's nothing else to believe in, Satan is smart dont believe in his lies, Only Jesus is truth, Amen!
@Darkzeratulrocky lol. that is not what jesus taught. he taught that you could be saved by your faith, as it was shown through your works. Just believing means nothing. there is even a verse that explicitly states that in the bible. (james chapter 2) It says that even teh demons believe in christ, but they are still going to hell. In fact, i guarantee you that satan has more faith in christ than any mortal, but because of his ACTIONS he will burn in hell forever. btw repentance is an action too.
@Darkzeratulrocky further, christ explicitly commisioned the apostles to lead the church..so the church can indeed be led by men. not to mention the many prophets who led the church before christ. tell me, are all of those people going to hell too? in fact, you are defeating your own argument. if men are so fallible, then we absolutely cannot listen to any man who is not inspired by God as peter and john were. meaning that we can follow JS but not your pastor, bcuze hes neverreceived revelation
@Darkzeratulrocky oh and if we cant listen to man, and man CANt recieve revelation anyjmore than why do christians of all other faiths constantly go around saying they have recieved revelation for their friends through dreams and such, and that they have a message that they feel inspired to share. If they can do that, then JS can recieve revelation and you can shut up. if they cant do that than they are false prophets and your religion is obviously blasphemous, so you can still shut up.
Fictional people? mentioned in a fabricated story made a non-existent journey to some vague geographical area where they formed enormous nations, fought massive wars in undisclosed locations, wrote contradictory records in an unknown language and subsequently disappeared without leaving a? single shred of evidence they ever existed.
Bible:
Real people? in real locations, provable history, comprehensive archaeological support.
We can visit Jerusalem. Mormons can't find Bountiful
the last versin the bible was to cut the Mormons as to messing with the Bible. they could also come back with the NIV bible where it took out places where Jesus says I am the Alpha and the Omega the beginning and the end. Several place the NIV took out this phrase and throwed it away ! It would be a bad verse to try to cut the Mormons with or to even try to mean something to them of changing the bible !
The book is the bible!,when revelation and rest of bible was completed,it became one book,inspired by god,writtern by man,if god wanted book of Mormon,why did he wait 1800yrs to reveal?,and why does book of Mormon have so much added things that cannot be verified anywhere else in bible?,no matter what you search for in bible it always backs up through the bible,it never contradicts itself!,book of Mormon,Is deception from Satan-he was the angel of light that spead these lies-
This is all retarded because no religions truth claims are certifiable. They are all rudiculous if taken literally, some are even if just taken metaphorically.
I find it interesting that the man spending his time bashing other religions doesn't cite one specific passage from the Bible that supposedly teaches us God can't reveal additional scripture in our time.
@CollegePreacher AND the fact that the Book of Mormon is necessary because there was a number of books omitted from the original Bible by the church during the Great Apostasy because there was doctrine in there that would hinder diplomatic relations and national progression of the Holy Roman Empire and also much Catholic doctrine was VOTED in, while contradicting the Bible. I don't get why there are so many that bash Mormons, why don't they swallow their pride and look at their own religion.
God and Jesus told Joseph Smith that all other religions/denominations are corrupt and abominable, see JS History in Pearl of Great Price. Also, believing there is only one true church does bash all other religions.
Your claim is fairly ignorant. You DO realize that MOST faith traditions claim that theirs is the only correct faith tradition? Did not Martin Luther say that the Catholics were wrong, and that He would start the correct church? Indeed he did. In fact the Mormons actually have stated many times that they believe there is great truth in many faiths, and that they would ask us to bring out knowledge of God and allow them 'add to that knowledge'.
has anyone noticed that many many men have added to that book and also written their own and yet no plagues ahve attacked then as individuals...wonder why..such pathetic nonsense!!!!!!!!
mormons, like all christians and all religious people are well meaning good people but deluded...all they need to do is gain some investigative intelligence and start really studying and not just reading fairy stories.
Dr. Hugh Nibley commenting on our research (Nov 7, 2003), "...After this, those who challenge the Book of Mormon will have some heavy explaining to do." jefflindsay . com fairlds . org All the new evidence pointing to geography and physical evidence found since 2003 makes the Smithsonian Institutes Statement of 1996 about obsolete. GLJS There are many great videos. Some under my favorites made by Channels: SethAdamSmith LDS9999 Mormon101 fairldsorg check it out & God Bless
Dr. John Clark of the New World Archaeological Foundation has compiled a list of sixty items mentioned in the Book of Mormon. The list includes items such as "steel swords," "barley," "cement," "thrones," and literacy. In 1842, only eight (or 13.3%) of those sixty items were confirmed by archaeological evidence. Thus, in the mid-nineteenth century, archaeology did not support the claims made by the Book of Mormon.
Dr. John Clark of the New World Archaeological Foundation is a Mormon, and a lair!
NO one, And I mean NO one in the Archaeological Profession (The Smithsonian Institution) (The National Geographic Society) agree with Dr. John Clark. Archaeological evidence shows that the only people who ever developed a written language in America were the Mayans, whose written and spoken language has no resemblance to Hebrew or Egyptian. NO RESEMBLANCE to HEBREW!!!!
God "...spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend." The phrase "face to face" is not used here to refer to their physical position in relation to one another, but the intimate nature of the LORD's discourse with Moses
Exodus 33:20-23 makes it clear that Moses did not see God's face. There is no contradiction.
theirs verses throughout the bible that say if doctrine does not match up once put into context its false , so mormons encourage marriage, and the bible says its better if you dont and stay chastized but if you have to get married it is not a sin, therefore the difference in doctrine their makes mormon doctrine false, theirs more examples i just picked an easy one
Gut: "the bible says its better if you don't [get married]"
If I remember correctly, Paul gave his opinion and even said that it was his opinion that people should "abide" single, but even this was under very specific circumstances.
What would happen if EVERYBODY or even just all Christians heeded this advice? Then Christians would die out after this generation. Clearly that isn't a good idea as a general rule, and it wasn't meant to be one.
thats one of the dumbest things ive ever heard. Christianity didn't explode because of reproduction it exploded because amazing people were preaching the word everywhere guided by the holy spirit.
Gutcheck: Christianity didn't explode because of reproduction it exploded because amazing people were preaching the word ...
That is my point. It has been a huge mistake by Christians to take Paul's letter to a specific group of people at a certain time as a general law of God. That time and place was not good for raising Christian families.
The circumstances under which Paul spoke did not remain constant. The other scriptures I gave DO speak in generalities and as a general law of God.
When Paul gave his opinion in his letter to this certain group of people, there was great persecution towards Christians and much more to come. There wasn't time to raise up Christian families. The parents could be killed and the children left to the world. The wife and children would distract in urgent times.
Paul correctly advised the people to act as missionaries because people were ripe for conversion.
Now LDS have time to serve missions AND raise families. Or a family of missionaries.
Gutcheck: ...most likely dooms people for their nonsense
You have just gotten finished basically saying that "the Bible" teaches that it is better for Christians NOT to get married. You say this despite Gen 2:18-24 Matt 19:5,6 1 Tim 4:1-3 and Heb 13:4
Question: How does it feel when you tell a faithful Christian couple who is raising good Christian kids that it would have been better if they hadn't gotten married or had kids. Especially considering God's very first command (Gen 1:28)?
Gut: they aren't doing anything wrong getting married
That isn't what you said previously in this thread. You said:
"the bible says its better if you don't"
Meanwhile, the Bible actually commands us to multiply and replenish the Earth (Gen 1:28).
"A man shall cleave unto his wife, and they shall be one flesh" Gen. 2:24 (Matt 19:5). "What God has joined together, let not man put asunder" Matt 19:6 (Mark 10:9)
you also believe in gobs and gobs of nonsense. You only accept scripture that fits your belief as all churches do these days sadly, ya'll just to it to an intense extreme of adding false doctrine to.
Gutcheck: you also believe in gobs and gobs of nonsense
I am sure that an Atheist would be more than happy to say the same thing about your beliefs.
Furthermore, the example you gave here of our supposed "nonsense" didn't get too far when compared with the Bible as a whole.
In fact, it has been fairly well demonstrated that it is you who is willing to ignore all verses except the 1 verse (which you take out of historical context) that supports your agenda.
THIS BOOK. The Catholics amended the bible to their teachings(the Nicene Creed).Why do people need to preach against mormons and teach anti-mormon material?are they afraid their followers will find the truth?
Have you read the Q'ran or the holy books of Hinduism, the Bahai faith, Sikhism (interesting that one - lot in common with BoM), Zoroastrianism etc. etc. if not you are in no position to say that your heart would not burn if you did. Try them - some might make you want to puke but at least you would know - Parley Pratt said in Discourses that islam was truer than Christianity because it denied the Trinity so perhaps you are Latter Day Muslims. You've read the BoM and your heart burnt try others.
He is referring to the one you are thinking at the end of the bible. but did you not hear him, there wasn't a bible at that time. The bible was formed way after the Aposltes were dead.
Romans 14:11-12 11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. 12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
No you get the Mormons with Gal 1:8,9...that kills the false prophet Moroni. And you are too easy on the Mormons, they are satanic. Look at the symbolism on their "temple".
Joseph is a PROPHET, he have the AUTHORITY to speak of God. if you dont believe prophets at our time, you're no different from those who didnt believe back at biblical times, you claim that you believe the bible but dont believe in prophets.
you guys are contradicting yourself over and over again, that's so funny! Either you believe in God or a supreme being that is all powerful, which means it can reveal ALL truth to man kind, or you don't. Anything in between is a bad joke xD
science is no more accurate than the bible, both are based on faith, just different kinds. For example, did you see man evolve from a single cell organism over millions of years? No? Well I guess you'll have to have faith that it did then? Likewise with the bible :P
That is the absolute stupidest thing I have ever heard in my life. Look up the scientific method, smack yourself in the head with a science book, then get back to me.
i assume you are talking to me, and i have studied plenty of biology, enough to know that the chances of a single human DNA strand forming from random cells would take more time that the universe has to offer. as i recall the scientific community agrees that the universe is only about 13.5 billion years old. maybe you should smack yourself in the head with something heavier than a science book, although they are especially numerous these days arent they? :) man and his 'intelligence' pfft
Well, it's a good thing thats not what happened, isn't it? Actually, the first types of DNA were not by any means human DNA and were in fact much simpler. Also, your whole argument is a straw man, because what you are describing is abiogenesis, and not evolution at all.
actually abiogenesis is where all things lead that are 'scientific', ESPECIALLY evolution, since everything needs a beginning that can be explained or reasonably thought to be true considering current conditions. All things are formed from non-living matter. We are all made from carbon. So what is your point?
to the point: how can you prove without a doubt that evolution is how we came to be? If there is ANY doubt then you must have faith. Faith is not simply a religious notion, it's a feeling we all have. (why do we feel while other animals just do out of necessity?)
OK, there is A LOT of evidence to prove that evolution took place, I'm not gonna spoon feed it to you (you can use google) and it doesn't take any faith to believe it, it is just a logical conclusion based on evidence.
true but they also believed that black people were less evolved than whites, do you still believe that? Evidence can be misleading, I won't spoon feed you the details, but google 'flat earth', 'geocentral model', and 'weapons of mass destruction iraq'. The evidence all pointed toward these conclusions at one time didn't they? pfft, man and his 'intelligence' ;P
Neither is "more evolved," they have just filled different biological niches. You are confusing biology with social darwinism, which is just a misinterpretation of Darwinian theory to try and justify racism.
Actually, the evidence never pointed to those things, they were based on lies and beliefs, the first two straight out of the bible.
Can you quote a line where it says that the earth is spherical, I have seen a lot of passages that say it is a CIRCLE, but that is actually what the flat earth society thinks.
it takes faith to believe both evolution and creation. A man in my community said the same thing as you, and learned that it takes more faith to believe evolution than creation.
ERRRRRRR! Wrong, try again. The amount of evidence supporting evolution is comparable to the amount of evidence supporting gravity, does it take faith to believe in gravity?
evolution is not as readily visible or as "tangible" or testable as gravity is (which would make it "harder" to have faith in). THere is faith in gravity although it's so cemented in that it's hard to see it as faith.
Evolution can be observed, it has been observed, just not in as large a scale as has happened in the past because (duh) it takes a long time. Most of the testable evidence for evolution comes from genetics.
Wrong again, it takes no faith to believe in gravity because it has been scientifically proven.
DO you trust in gravity? that it will always be there? that it will work how its supposed to? If yes then you have faith in gravity.
Do you do things that require gravity to work (Like using a pendulum in an old clock) IF so then you have used your faith in gravity.
Some people would describe this as faith beyond or past belief (or has become knowledge) Which has been cemented by a lifelong time of experience with it.
NOt quite altho it could lead to loyalty. There are several definitions for faith, most of which do apply in some measure in faith in relation to religion.
HOw do you differentiate between faith and belief?
"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book." - Revelation 22:18
Could also refer to the apocrypha, those are the books the catholics have added.
Cont.......Its also pretty sad that aaron does not seem to put forth the effort to just share God with people as he does in telling what religion to not be. I am not perfect, i will have to answer to God for my mistakes, just as aaron will. I do not feel that their is anyone one person on this earth that when they reach Heaven God will say you have no mistakes.
Last....I FEEL If we were to subscribe to interpretations of this verse as some would have it. And as this man said. the "new" translated version of the Bible puts words into God's mouth that he did not say. I personally do not care for it. But that is just me.
I dream of the day when I see a video or other media production that actually allows thoughtful and knowledgeable mormons to discuss their beliefs with others (not necessarily just other Christians). Frankly the world is awash with silly, un-educated anti-mormon propaganda.
The world is awash?? Maybe you don't realize that you are making a mountain out of a Mormon molehill. For every single Mormon in the world at this moment, there are about 1600 NON Mormons. You give WAY too much significance to the impact your religion is having on the world. Awash indeed!! Delusions of Grandeur is one of several mental conditions extant in Mormonism--along with a serious Persecution Complex. No wonder Utah is the Prozac capitol of the country.
"Silly"? SILLY?? Who is it that wears ugly underwear? Who is it that said that people are living on the moon? Who is it that said more than 2 earrings is immoral? Marrying other LIVING men's wives is pretty silly. With holding priesthood from blacks was pretty silly. Curse on Lamanites is pretty silly. I could go on but won't. You have to get your head out of your ass and start smelling the roses instead of...
Yeah Mormons are silly. The reasons are obvious to all non-Mormons. Christians are more absurd than silly though. Woman made from a man's rib, man living inside of a whale, two of each animal on a boat (impossible). Not to mention God changing from merciless in the Old-Testament to merciful in the New-Testament. It is all pretty much Bullshit.
As I said before, you are no better a philosopher that you are a theologian. You stated thar ALL religions claim to hold the exclusive truth. That is patently false. Now you claim that the examples I mentioned "don't matter", or that you "don't care", ot that they are "irrelevant".
Refering to Christianity as "one church" is to paint all Christians with one brush.
You have already shown that you do not care about the truth."I dont care what a pope said"...I do not care what other churches say"...All the LDS way!!
Ignore the truth, ignore the facts, & stay w/ those nice warm fuzzy feelings!!
The repudiation of the doctrine of "One True Church", or exclusive Truth is part of what drove Martin Luther to nail his "Protestant" proclamations to the door of The Vatican. Buddhism, Unitarian Universalism, as well as many Christian Protestant denominations are founded in the belief that there is no "One True Church".
The point is not to call a DENOMINATION the "one true church". There is no one true church but there is one true religion. You missed the point, again. I understand and love what Luther did.
The books were a great read but not one mention of baptism which Jesus actually went through with his mentioned "one before him" I have never read changes in the the King James version of the Bible which Mormons use with Faith
myrevelations2012 4 weeks ago
My response is this "If any man shall add to these things" it is completely referring to the Book of Revelations not the whole bible. John was and has been the only one that has been shown these things. I worry about one thing with all the evangelicals right now that in all their movies which I enjoy watching like Left Behind etc..
myrevelations2012 4 weeks ago
1)your jesus is brother to lucifer. Christian's Jesus is his creator. 2)your jesus is exalted man. Christian's Jesus is God Himself 3)your jesus born of virgin birth but impregnated by immortal man. Christian's Jesus - God incarnate begotten of the Holy Spirit 4)your god attained his "godhood" Christian's God has always been God. 5)your jesus' blood doesn't cover all sins. Christian's Jesus' blood covers ALL sin. - Your beliefs are in direct contradiction with the Word of God
badgarcia 5 months ago
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hammerogod 6 months ago
Kerry Shirts would rip this guy to shreds in a debate.
LDS4Life71 7 months ago
I have been a member of the Mormon faith all my life and never saw anyone hate someone of a different faith for being that faith. We just disagree on issues like the baptists to methodists etc.
scottwins2 7 months ago
@scottwins2
Give me an example of where the Baptists and the Methodists disagree of basic Doctrine.
They don't.
About the only differences between any of the mainline Christian Denominations is the color of tie the Preacher wears.
You have bee taught that every Denomination is another Religion.
You have been mislead.
hammerogod 7 months ago
@hammerogod Ha Ha Presbyterians, Methodists, Southern Baptist Convention can't agree with themselves! You for got the Unitarins ooops they believe everything or anything Jehovah Witnesses? I just didn't have room before. why not make one big religion, sort of mix them up Your like most Mormon haters on here you will agrue anythig just to confusel things, just to keep it that way. You want us to defend our faith on every verse yet you will not even admit to your own religion.
scottwins2 7 months ago
hammerogod 7 months ago
@scottwins2
I said "Give me an example"...you failed.
You cannot give me a valid Doctrinal difference between the Baptists and the Methodists.
You spewed out the common Mormon answer instead.
You fell back on the "You hate us" mantra.
Well.
We are anti-Mormon because we believe the bible.
We are anti-Mormon because we see the compelling evidence that Joseph Smith was a con man.
We are anti-Mormon because we believe that God is the Eternal Father who had no beginning and will have no end.
hammerogod 7 months ago
hammerogod 6 months ago
@hammerogod Again you are too embarrassed to even speak of your own faith or do you have one? You believe in Platos God for sure "The One" "The Devine" A spirit. Is he like smoke in a room? or does he float "into and fill your heart yet he can fill the universe" sorry, Christ came back and got his body did he not? And left with it. where did he put it in a closet somewhere? He showed the apostles the nail prints in his hands and feet. Christ has a body wether you want him to or not.
scottwins2 6 months ago
@scottwins2
..."Again you are too embarrassed to even speak of your own faith"...
My Faith belongs and exists in My Heart, God's Heart, in My Prayers and in My Life....not on YouTube.
I only commented because it seemed necessary to defend Denominational Christianity from the ignorance of the people who think the the various Denominations all have different creeds.
The differences between the Baptists and the Methodists is MUCH smaller than the differences between the LDS and the RLDS.
hammerogod 6 months ago
@hammerogod Waite a minute.God was never a Man?Did Jesus not walk the earth as a Man?Genesis says we are created in His image.Did Christ not refer to Himself as 'The Son of Man"?Thereyago.From the lips of the Savior Himself declaring the nature of God the Father along with the testimony of Moses Peter Steven and many others who testify to Gods attributes.So where does god live then?Where does Christ reside now.If he dosnt have his physical resurrected body then he must have died again
jferristube 4 months ago
@jferristube Son of Man is an Hebrew idiom for the tetragrammaton (YHWH) It is one of many names, indicating their understanding that God would become the son of a man, in the physical sense. They also call Him YHWH Yirah (provider), Adonai and so on. Yes, He walked the earth as a man according to our perception, but He was not a man, but God in the flesh. I have been fortunate to study with a great Christian teacher who is also a Jewish Rabbi. Hebrew Roots clears up much misunderstanding..
GmaM11 2 months ago
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jferristube 2 months ago
@GmaM11 God would become the son of a man, in the physical sense.
God here is reference to Jesus in the flesh.Right?
You said it.A Man! His Father is God the Father who Is A Man.
What you mean he walked the earth as a man according to our "Perception?"He Was a man.Nothin But.
He gained Immortality from His Father( God the Father) and Mortality from His Mother.Certainly He was the
Son of God in the Flesh as He testified of Himself
A christian Jewish Rabbi?
Cont...
jferristube 2 months ago
I have learned from the words of Prophets of Old and modern day prophets of today but most of all. I have learned truth from God through the teacher of All truth.The Holy Ghost as promised us by Christ himself.
I say this Not to offend but as a clear statement of truth.
I know that statement will offend. many
jferristube 2 months ago
@GmaM11
Hebrew roots???
not tryin to be flippant or condescending here but if the Hebrew were on the "ball" then how come they Didnt "get it" when their god showed up. Didnt "Know" understand or Believe He was who He said He was.
The Literal Son of God and put Him to death.
jferristube 2 months ago
@GmaM11
All their learning and knowledge of the scripture at the time and they "Missed" it.
Got it All wrong Then and still get it wrong today as a people.In fact they will only finally "get it" when He does return to save them from complete annhialation when the whole world will be united against them.When the resurrected Christ will return showing them he Is/Was the Christ who their ancestors had slain.
jferristube 2 months ago
@hammerogod If they disagree on anything god has said then one perhaps evn both have the wrong interpretation.Christ said man must live by Every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of god.You cannot say that agreeing to only "parts" of His Gospel is all Honkeydorie mate..To say that about basic gospel principles Is indeed heresy.We believe that God will Yet reveal many more great and important things partaining to His Kingdom.The Bible does Not contain all He desires us to know of Him..
jferristube 4 months ago
@scottwins2
Hint ---> Brigham Young
Hint ---> Mountain Meadows
Hint ---> Joseph Smith saying that ALL Denominations were Apostate.
Hint ---> No believable, peer reviewed, evidence that anything in the BoM is true.
Mormons have been attacking Christianity since the beginning of Joseph's 'Ministry'.
We defend our beliefs and Mormons call us anti-Mormon.
Yes...far all sakes and purposes I am anti-Mormon.
If you place Joseph ahead of Jesus you are my enemy.
hammerogod 7 months ago
@hammerogod I have never placed Joseph in front or above the Savior in any way nor have I ever seen that taught in the LDS Faith. Brigahm Young said, "Miracles, or those extraordinary manifestations of the power of god, are not for the unbeliever; they are to console the Saints, and to strengthen and confirm the faith of those who love, fear, and serve God." Thanks for bringing up this great man, Brigham Mountain Meadows? the crooks were shot as per jury. Better than the laws of today.
scottwins2 7 months ago
@hammerogod good thing no one placed Joseph ahead of Jesus then huh?
kthcsh 6 months ago
I am Mormon and I am Born Again, so whats new?
scottwins2 7 months ago
Joseph Smith was a liar, and a killer
roadturtle 8 months ago
Go to lds.org or fairlds.org if youwant more information.
scottwins2 8 months ago
@scottwins2
I go to lds.org and fairlds when I have questions regarding the vast differences between Biblical Christianity and what is commonly thought, taught and believed by Mormons.
I still come up with unanswered questions.
Mormons disregard huge differences between the Bible and the BoM and then they refer me to other books.
I seldom get a straight answer.
Why do Mormons think us "Born Agains" are evil.
When John 3:3-8 commands me to be Born Again.
How do you get around this?
hammerogod 7 months ago
@hammerogod The problem with your statement is we Mormons are -the- Biblical Christians.
majinish 7 months ago
@majinish
Like I said.
I can never get a straight answer.
You didn't even begin to try to address the question I asked.
Read the Bible...your beliefs don't fit.
hammerogod 7 months ago
@hammerogod I've read the Bible and have started again. This time I'm starting with the New Testament. Our beliefs fit. That's a fact. And your questions are ignorant. We don't call others evil.
majinish 7 months ago
LDS Church Leaders preparing us for the 2nd Coming of Christ
TheEslperry 8 months ago
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“But even if we or an angel from heaven (moroni) should preach to you a gospel other than what we have preached to you, curse be on him!” Galatians 1:6-9 Mormon’s are not prepared for the coming apocalypse, Huge Sorrow will be to the mormon who refuse to see the truth, You have been warned your fall will be great. Read the BIBLE ONLY!
imationqwest 1 year ago
I agree that Rev. 22:18 is not a good vewrse to use. I start with Genesis 1:1. "In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth". The LDS church teaches that God was a man born on a pre-existing planet.
IndianaJesusfreak 1 year ago
@IndianaJesusfreak Stand for Truth!!!
superjam18 11 months ago
@IndianaJesusfreak
No we don't. It's funny how other people tell me what I believe. Propaganda machine.
Freedom0rBust 11 months ago
@Freedom0rBust Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Joseph Smith, 2007.
"God Himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! That is the great secret." (p. 40)
"Here, then, is eternal life—to know the only wise and true God; and you have got to learn how to be gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, . . ." (p. 221)
IndianaJesusfreak 11 months ago
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IndianaJesusfreak 11 months ago
@Freedom0rBust Brighamm Young taught further that God the Father was once a man on another planet who "passed the ordeals we are now passing through; he has received an experience, has suffered and enjoyed, and knows all that we know regarding the toils, sufferings, life and death of this mortality." (p. 29)
IndianaJesusfreak 11 months ago
Interesting.
wachnathan 1 year ago
thank you so much for being a reasonable fellow christian. As a mormon i feel like the only one of my friends (who are non mormon) who is even remotely reasonable. All my friends tell me that i am going to hell...which doesnt even make sense. they say if you accept christ, that alone is enough to get you to heaven...so by that logic, all mormons would be going to heaven too, regardless of whether or not JS was a prophet or not. but for some inexplicable reason they think im going to hell...
Porojukaha 1 year ago
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Porojukaha 1 year ago
@Porojukaha just one fallacy in your thinking. at the end you say that it says in the bible that you cant add to Gods word. well, your right, you cant....unless you are a prophet. If you couldnt add to gods word under ANY circumstances, no books could have been written after moses' books, which would mean that the JEWS and not contemporary christians are in possesion of all of the truth because they would be the only ones who beleive in a text that has never been added to.
Porojukaha 1 year ago
@Porojukaha your argument is further weakened by the fact that the bible itself was compiled long after the death of all of the apostles and by men that were
very confused. the amount of paganism that was introduced into christianity around the time the bible itself was compiled from the many books and letters they had is sickening. Just study history. It will really open your eyes. But dont study it too much, or you might convert to mormonism. :-)
Porojukaha 1 year ago
by the way, the men who compiled the bible were actually violating all of the places where it says you cant add on to the word because they were adding those other books! its also a historically documented fact that at that time, and throughout the ages the catholic church has removed and added a LOT to the bible. so much so that there are whole parts of it where scholars are completely unsure of its historical accuracy. and yet you claim its a perfect book? history would beg to differ my friend
Porojukaha 1 year ago
@Porojukaha Horses were not in North America before the Europeans came.....The End
Icannottolerateit 1 year ago
@Porojukaha Why are there so many verses directly quoted from the King James version? If this book were an original there is absolutely explanation as to why the wording is exactly that of the King James.
Besides, who wants to listen to a prophet that shot a person?
Icannottolerateit 1 year ago
@Icannottolerateit I've wondered this myself. Why would God inspire one prophet to write *word-for-word* what He ALREADY inspired another prophet to write? Even the *italicized* words that WEREN'T THERE until the King James was translated. You don't see huge chunks of Deuteronomy in Daniel, for example. It seems the gods of Mormonism have a redundancy problem with redundancy. Or maybe one Mormon god didn't know what another Mormon god had already inspired.
wannawatchu66 9 months ago
it makes me so sad to see all this people believing in the book of mormon, Jesus taught us one thing, salvation trough faith, by genuine repentance and accepting Jesus Christ as our only Lord and Savior, therefore if we have really changed and have received the holy Spirit, we will obey God, not men!!! men are manipulated by Satan to derail us from the truth of Jesus, if you believe in Jesus there's nothing else to believe in, Satan is smart dont believe in his lies, Only Jesus is truth, Amen!
Darkzeratulrocky 1 year ago
@Darkzeratulrocky lol. that is not what jesus taught. he taught that you could be saved by your faith, as it was shown through your works. Just believing means nothing. there is even a verse that explicitly states that in the bible. (james chapter 2) It says that even teh demons believe in christ, but they are still going to hell. In fact, i guarantee you that satan has more faith in christ than any mortal, but because of his ACTIONS he will burn in hell forever. btw repentance is an action too.
Porojukaha 1 year ago
@Darkzeratulrocky further, christ explicitly commisioned the apostles to lead the church..so the church can indeed be led by men. not to mention the many prophets who led the church before christ. tell me, are all of those people going to hell too? in fact, you are defeating your own argument. if men are so fallible, then we absolutely cannot listen to any man who is not inspired by God as peter and john were. meaning that we can follow JS but not your pastor, bcuze hes neverreceived revelation
Porojukaha 1 year ago
@Darkzeratulrocky oh and if we cant listen to man, and man CANt recieve revelation anyjmore than why do christians of all other faiths constantly go around saying they have recieved revelation for their friends through dreams and such, and that they have a message that they feel inspired to share. If they can do that, then JS can recieve revelation and you can shut up. if they cant do that than they are false prophets and your religion is obviously blasphemous, so you can still shut up.
Porojukaha 1 year ago
Book of Mormon:
Fictional people? mentioned in a fabricated story made a non-existent journey to some vague geographical area where they formed enormous nations, fought massive wars in undisclosed locations, wrote contradictory records in an unknown language and subsequently disappeared without leaving a? single shred of evidence they ever existed.
Bible:
Real people? in real locations, provable history, comprehensive archaeological support.
We can visit Jerusalem. Mormons can't find Bountiful
martlut 1 year ago
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the last versin the bible was to cut the Mormons as to messing with the Bible. they could also come back with the NIV bible where it took out places where Jesus says I am the Alpha and the Omega the beginning and the end. Several place the NIV took out this phrase and throwed it away ! It would be a bad verse to try to cut the Mormons with or to even try to mean something to them of changing the bible !
turtle4aire 1 year ago
@turtle4aire You clown their is only one version of the bible the rest are all rewrites. Its the Latin Vulgate
martlut 1 year ago
@martlut isnt it the king james?,
salakerz324 1 year ago
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turtle4aire 1 year ago
No, it's not another issue and we ARE called to stand firm on the Word - unashamed and ready to declare what we do believe.
IF Joseph Smith made changed to Revelations - Then YOU should be hitting that home and not side-lining it as "but that's just another issue."
I pray for this man to gather and gain STRENGTH in the Lord.
pjacobsuk 1 year ago
The book is the bible!,when revelation and rest of bible was completed,it became one book,inspired by god,writtern by man,if god wanted book of Mormon,why did he wait 1800yrs to reveal?,and why does book of Mormon have so much added things that cannot be verified anywhere else in bible?,no matter what you search for in bible it always backs up through the bible,it never contradicts itself!,book of Mormon,Is deception from Satan-he was the angel of light that spead these lies-
andymcq2509 1 year ago
see the verse talks about revelation
jonnygotz2343 1 year ago
This is all retarded because no religions truth claims are certifiable. They are all rudiculous if taken literally, some are even if just taken metaphorically.
Kain59242 2 years ago
I find it interesting that the man spending his time bashing other religions doesn't cite one specific passage from the Bible that supposedly teaches us God can't reveal additional scripture in our time.
CollegePreacher 2 years ago
@CollegePreacher AND the fact that the Book of Mormon is necessary because there was a number of books omitted from the original Bible by the church during the Great Apostasy because there was doctrine in there that would hinder diplomatic relations and national progression of the Holy Roman Empire and also much Catholic doctrine was VOTED in, while contradicting the Bible. I don't get why there are so many that bash Mormons, why don't they swallow their pride and look at their own religion.
masterskyrunner 1 year ago
"Bla Bla Bla, I'm a fat useless member of society so I spend my life trying to discredit Joseph Smith."
Or did I misunderstand what the fat man was saying???
someguycalledshelnut 2 years ago
@someguycalledshelnut LOL
tilkanuts 1 year ago
Why do people always bash on the mormons? The mormons don't bash on other religions.
AlLee13278 2 years ago
yes they do.
research it
quasimoto 2 years ago
give me one example
AlLee13278 2 years ago
God and Jesus told Joseph Smith that all other religions/denominations are corrupt and abominable, see JS History in Pearl of Great Price. Also, believing there is only one true church does bash all other religions.
holdmydirtyhands 2 years ago
@holdmydirtyhands
Your claim is fairly ignorant. You DO realize that MOST faith traditions claim that theirs is the only correct faith tradition? Did not Martin Luther say that the Catholics were wrong, and that He would start the correct church? Indeed he did. In fact the Mormons actually have stated many times that they believe there is great truth in many faiths, and that they would ask us to bring out knowledge of God and allow them 'add to that knowledge'.
ChaplainC 1 year ago
really prove that they do,instead just claiming a bold statement
solarflare311 2 years ago
This fat snapper head makes a living attacking mormons. Real productive member of society!
someguycalledshelnut 2 years ago
There's more hard historical evidence that Smith was a fraud than there is that the BoM is true.
hopeforyourlife 2 years ago
right on brother
kennycstevens 2 years ago 2
has anyone noticed that many many men have added to that book and also written their own and yet no plagues ahve attacked then as individuals...wonder why..such pathetic nonsense!!!!!!!!
faustus999 3 years ago
mormons, like all christians and all religious people are well meaning good people but deluded...all they need to do is gain some investigative intelligence and start really studying and not just reading fairy stories.
faustus999 3 years ago
Try Gal 1:8 then go eat your own foot.
Savedbyfaithinchrist 3 years ago
GodLovedJosephSmith 3 years ago
he he he says they are lairs!
GLJS
GodLovedJosephSmith 3 years ago
It just takes common sense when you read that verse in Revelations.
revelations146 3 years ago
Joseph Smith saw God the Father and Jesus Christ in a "vision" in 1820. He was protected????.
So God is a Lair when He Said to Moses:
"You cannot see my face." No sinful human may see God's face and live.
So We are to believe Joe and not God?
That is the essences of the Mormon Lie!
Joe's word is more powerful than God's Word!
Thats the truth behind the untold story of Joesph Smith.
You are an utter Fool!
funnrun 3 years ago
Dr. John Clark of the New World Archaeological Foundation has compiled a list of sixty items mentioned in the Book of Mormon. The list includes items such as "steel swords," "barley," "cement," "thrones," and literacy. In 1842, only eight (or 13.3%) of those sixty items were confirmed by archaeological evidence. Thus, in the mid-nineteenth century, archaeology did not support the claims made by the Book of Mormon.
GodLovedJosephSmith 3 years ago
Why would anyone go to a liar for truth?
Dr. John Clark of the New World Archaeological Foundation is a Mormon, and a lair!
NO one, And I mean NO one in the Archaeological Profession (The Smithsonian Institution) (The National Geographic Society) agree with Dr. John Clark. Archaeological evidence shows that the only people who ever developed a written language in America were the Mayans, whose written and spoken language has no resemblance to Hebrew or Egyptian. NO RESEMBLANCE to HEBREW!!!!
funnrun 3 years ago
gotcha. read exodus 33:11
08stembrer 3 years ago
In Exodus 33:11,
God "...spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend." The phrase "face to face" is not used here to refer to their physical position in relation to one another, but the intimate nature of the LORD's discourse with Moses
Exodus 33:20-23 makes it clear that Moses did not see God's face. There is no contradiction.
funnrun 3 years ago
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Can someone explain to me in reasonable social terms the difference between an anti-Semite and an anti-Mormon?
NO doctrinal debates or historical spin. I am not interested in your interpretations.
Strictly *SOCIALLY* speaking, I want you to outline for my the key differences in your mind between an anti-Semite and an anti-Mormon.
There are more LDS than Jews in the US now. I am just wondering about the mechanics of relative morality.
swedesmusic 3 years ago
theirs verses throughout the bible that say if doctrine does not match up once put into context its false , so mormons encourage marriage, and the bible says its better if you dont and stay chastized but if you have to get married it is not a sin, therefore the difference in doctrine their makes mormon doctrine false, theirs more examples i just picked an easy one
Gutcheckcoming 3 years ago
Gut: "the bible says its better if you don't [get married]"
If I remember correctly, Paul gave his opinion and even said that it was his opinion that people should "abide" single, but even this was under very specific circumstances.
What would happen if EVERYBODY or even just all Christians heeded this advice? Then Christians would die out after this generation. Clearly that isn't a good idea as a general rule, and it wasn't meant to be one.
Gen 2:18-24 Matt 19:5,6 1 Tim 4:1-3 Heb 13:4
smpf38 3 years ago
thats one of the dumbest things ive ever heard. Christianity didn't explode because of reproduction it exploded because amazing people were preaching the word everywhere guided by the holy spirit.
Gutcheckcoming 3 years ago
Gutcheck: Christianity didn't explode because of reproduction it exploded because amazing people were preaching the word ...
That is my point. It has been a huge mistake by Christians to take Paul's letter to a specific group of people at a certain time as a general law of God. That time and place was not good for raising Christian families.
The circumstances under which Paul spoke did not remain constant. The other scriptures I gave DO speak in generalities and as a general law of God.
smpf38 3 years ago
When Paul gave his opinion in his letter to this certain group of people, there was great persecution towards Christians and much more to come. There wasn't time to raise up Christian families. The parents could be killed and the children left to the world. The wife and children would distract in urgent times.
Paul correctly advised the people to act as missionaries because people were ripe for conversion.
Now LDS have time to serve missions AND raise families. Or a family of missionaries.
smpf38 3 years ago
or bring people into their cult that teaches a false God and false Jesus and most likely dooms people for their nonsense.
Gutcheckcoming 3 years ago
Gutcheck: ...most likely dooms people for their nonsense
You have just gotten finished basically saying that "the Bible" teaches that it is better for Christians NOT to get married. You say this despite Gen 2:18-24 Matt 19:5,6 1 Tim 4:1-3 and Heb 13:4
Question: How does it feel when you tell a faithful Christian couple who is raising good Christian kids that it would have been better if they hadn't gotten married or had kids. Especially considering God's very first command (Gen 1:28)?
smpf38 3 years ago
they arent doing anything wrong getting married it just aint necessary
Gutcheckcoming 3 years ago
Gut: they aren't doing anything wrong getting married
That isn't what you said previously in this thread. You said:
"the bible says its better if you don't"
Meanwhile, the Bible actually commands us to multiply and replenish the Earth (Gen 1:28).
"A man shall cleave unto his wife, and they shall be one flesh" Gen. 2:24 (Matt 19:5). "What God has joined together, let not man put asunder" Matt 19:6 (Mark 10:9)
LDS believe in these Biblical teachings.
smpf38 3 years ago
you also believe in gobs and gobs of nonsense. You only accept scripture that fits your belief as all churches do these days sadly, ya'll just to it to an intense extreme of adding false doctrine to.
Gutcheckcoming 3 years ago
Gutcheck: you also believe in gobs and gobs of nonsense
I am sure that an Atheist would be more than happy to say the same thing about your beliefs.
Furthermore, the example you gave here of our supposed "nonsense" didn't get too far when compared with the Bible as a whole.
In fact, it has been fairly well demonstrated that it is you who is willing to ignore all verses except the 1 verse (which you take out of historical context) that supports your agenda.
smpf38 3 years ago
like i said your opinion of the scripture isnt valid because you do not have the holy spirit
Gutcheckcoming 3 years ago
joseph smith was just another mohammed
JohnPeter777 3 years ago
interesting i see what ure saying
joebarniak 3 years ago
look any of ya'll who have a hard time believing in God, just read the Book of Mormon. It's actually easier to understand than the Bible.
qsilver000 3 years ago
fuck mormons..
ninjazachy06 3 years ago
they r afaid that everyone would turn to the lds church.
ldstruth65 3 years ago
THIS BOOK. The Catholics amended the bible to their teachings(the Nicene Creed).Why do people need to preach against mormons and teach anti-mormon material?are they afraid their followers will find the truth?
storminmormon5 3 years ago
truth=anti-mormon in your demented minds
darrelzero 3 years ago
You really don't need the bible to discount the book of mormon.
The book of mormon discounts itself because it is obviously fake.
leopepsimike 3 years ago
How is it obviously fake? Have you read it? when you read it get back to me.
storminmormon5 3 years ago
yeah leopipsqueek, when you read the Book of Mormon, get back with me too.
qsilver000 3 years ago
Have you read the Q'ran or the holy books of Hinduism, the Bahai faith, Sikhism (interesting that one - lot in common with BoM), Zoroastrianism etc. etc. if not you are in no position to say that your heart would not burn if you did. Try them - some might make you want to puke but at least you would know - Parley Pratt said in Discourses that islam was truer than Christianity because it denied the Trinity so perhaps you are Latter Day Muslims. You've read the BoM and your heart burnt try others.
Estaban333 3 years ago
why people says :"prove then i will believe"..?
Bang your head, then prove that you are dead
pargabuss 4 years ago
Pro 30:5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
Pro 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
ChristopherLaRock 4 years ago
The Book of Revelations is only a political metaphor of the Roman Empire, similar to Alice in Wonderland.
TheJustinReport 4 years ago
Would you tell us which book he was referring to.
John was given a book to write and the message is clear "Don't add or take away from THIS book.
Seems straight forward to me. What do you think?
thegateway2heaven 4 years ago
He is referring to the one you are thinking at the end of the bible. but did you not hear him, there wasn't a bible at that time. The bible was formed way after the Aposltes were dead.
hotbassist182 4 years ago
Romans 14:11-12 11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. 12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
eternaladdress1 4 years ago
No you get the Mormons with Gal 1:8,9...that kills the false prophet Moroni. And you are too easy on the Mormons, they are satanic. Look at the symbolism on their "temple".
crazy650c 4 years ago
I see 5 pointed stars on the US flag too.
Lightcycle 4 years ago
Nice video by the way. Very professional.
Lightcycle 4 years ago
Wow!
This evangelical guy is actually being reasonable.
Congrats! For over 100 years, Mormons have been making the same argument that this guy just made. Slowly but surely...
smpf38 4 years ago
if joseph smith is right, we're all going to hell in a handbasket. he's a douchebag. too bad you can't hate on a dead guy. im going to hell. darn...
Spanishfries 4 years ago
Joseph is a PROPHET, he have the AUTHORITY to speak of God. if you dont believe prophets at our time, you're no different from those who didnt believe back at biblical times, you claim that you believe the bible but dont believe in prophets.
grandalbert 4 years ago
according to the bible, there was a end for a time of prophets which is why current day prophets are against what the bible really says
xsism 4 years ago
It says at the end of the old testament, "and that was the end of the prophets," how did jesus sneak in there?
macman13 4 years ago
I don't believe jesus introduced any new prophecies? simply built on what was there
xsism 4 years ago
The book of revelation has prophecies, and jesus said em', ergo, prophet.
macman13 4 years ago
Jesus wasn't a prophet, he was, is, and always will be a Savior, and the son of God.
jarjaryoda 4 years ago
1. A person who speaks by divine inspiration or as the interpreter through whom the will of a god is expressed.
2. A person gifted with profound moral insight and exceptional powers of expression.
3. A predictor; a soothsayer.
4. The chief spokesperson of a movement or cause.
Sounds like Jesus.
macman13 4 years ago
Revelation19:10...for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
mrskcinvegas 4 years ago
rofl
you guys are contradicting yourself over and over again, that's so funny! Either you believe in God or a supreme being that is all powerful, which means it can reveal ALL truth to man kind, or you don't. Anything in between is a bad joke xD
b20rico 4 years ago
Who cares if the bible contradicts the bom, SCIENCE CONTRADICTS THE BOOK OF MORMON AND THE BIBLE, AND SCIENCE IS RIGHT.
macman13 4 years ago
science is no more accurate than the bible, both are based on faith, just different kinds. For example, did you see man evolve from a single cell organism over millions of years? No? Well I guess you'll have to have faith that it did then? Likewise with the bible :P
xsism 4 years ago
That is the absolute stupidest thing I have ever heard in my life. Look up the scientific method, smack yourself in the head with a science book, then get back to me.
macman13 4 years ago
i assume you are talking to me, and i have studied plenty of biology, enough to know that the chances of a single human DNA strand forming from random cells would take more time that the universe has to offer. as i recall the scientific community agrees that the universe is only about 13.5 billion years old. maybe you should smack yourself in the head with something heavier than a science book, although they are especially numerous these days arent they? :) man and his 'intelligence' pfft
xsism 4 years ago
Well, it's a good thing thats not what happened, isn't it? Actually, the first types of DNA were not by any means human DNA and were in fact much simpler. Also, your whole argument is a straw man, because what you are describing is abiogenesis, and not evolution at all.
macman13 4 years ago
actually abiogenesis is where all things lead that are 'scientific', ESPECIALLY evolution, since everything needs a beginning that can be explained or reasonably thought to be true considering current conditions. All things are formed from non-living matter. We are all made from carbon. So what is your point?
xsism 4 years ago
to the point: how can you prove without a doubt that evolution is how we came to be? If there is ANY doubt then you must have faith. Faith is not simply a religious notion, it's a feeling we all have. (why do we feel while other animals just do out of necessity?)
xsism 4 years ago
OK, there is A LOT of evidence to prove that evolution took place, I'm not gonna spoon feed it to you (you can use google) and it doesn't take any faith to believe it, it is just a logical conclusion based on evidence.
macman13 4 years ago
true but they also believed that black people were less evolved than whites, do you still believe that? Evidence can be misleading, I won't spoon feed you the details, but google 'flat earth', 'geocentral model', and 'weapons of mass destruction iraq'. The evidence all pointed toward these conclusions at one time didn't they? pfft, man and his 'intelligence' ;P
xsism 4 years ago
Neither is "more evolved," they have just filled different biological niches. You are confusing biology with social darwinism, which is just a misinterpretation of Darwinian theory to try and justify racism.
Actually, the evidence never pointed to those things, they were based on lies and beliefs, the first two straight out of the bible.
macman13 4 years ago
flat earth is not from the bible, in Job it mentions that the earth is spherical. Anyway i'll yield to this convo. Good day :)
xsism 4 years ago
Can you quote a line where it says that the earth is spherical, I have seen a lot of passages that say it is a CIRCLE, but that is actually what the flat earth society thinks.
macman13 4 years ago
it takes faith to believe both evolution and creation. A man in my community said the same thing as you, and learned that it takes more faith to believe evolution than creation.
jarjaryoda 4 years ago
ERRRRRRR! Wrong, try again. The amount of evidence supporting evolution is comparable to the amount of evidence supporting gravity, does it take faith to believe in gravity?
macman13 4 years ago
Like your comment.
Part1)
evolution is not as readily visible or as "tangible" or testable as gravity is (which would make it "harder" to have faith in). THere is faith in gravity although it's so cemented in that it's hard to see it as faith.
Lightcycle 4 years ago
Evolution can be observed, it has been observed, just not in as large a scale as has happened in the past because (duh) it takes a long time. Most of the testable evidence for evolution comes from genetics.
Wrong again, it takes no faith to believe in gravity because it has been scientifically proven.
macman13 4 years ago
part2)
DO you trust in gravity? that it will always be there? that it will work how its supposed to? If yes then you have faith in gravity.
Do you do things that require gravity to work (Like using a pendulum in an old clock) IF so then you have used your faith in gravity.
Some people would describe this as faith beyond or past belief (or has become knowledge) Which has been cemented by a lifelong time of experience with it.
Lightcycle 4 years ago
Faith
"firm belief in something for which there is no proof"
Gravity has proof, therefore, it takes no faith to believe in gravity.
QED (that's latin for suck it)
macman13 4 years ago
"firm belief of something that has no proof"
No;
confidence or trust in a person or thing (real or not, proved or not)
You go suck yours.
Second I did not say evolution was not observable or unprovable.
Lightcycle 4 years ago
That's not the type of faith we're talking about, that definition just means loyalty.
macman13 4 years ago
NOt quite altho it could lead to loyalty. There are several definitions for faith, most of which do apply in some measure in faith in relation to religion.
HOw do you differentiate between faith and belief?
Lightcycle 4 years ago
I don't.
macman13 4 years ago
Correction faith is confidence and trust to the point of acting on it, or that it brings about action.
Lightcycle 4 years ago
I'm talking about the definition that means believing in something without evidence.
macman13 4 years ago
ok.
then ya- blind belief is often dangerous, and a gamble to say the least.
Lightcycle 4 years ago
Yeah, that's why I don't believe in god.
macman13 4 years ago
"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book." - Revelation 22:18
Could also refer to the apocrypha, those are the books the catholics have added.
vallendoll 4 years ago
Cont.......Its also pretty sad that aaron does not seem to put forth the effort to just share God with people as he does in telling what religion to not be. I am not perfect, i will have to answer to God for my mistakes, just as aaron will. I do not feel that their is anyone one person on this earth that when they reach Heaven God will say you have no mistakes.
vallendoll 4 years ago
Last....I FEEL If we were to subscribe to interpretations of this verse as some would have it. And as this man said. the "new" translated version of the Bible puts words into God's mouth that he did not say. I personally do not care for it. But that is just me.
vallendoll 4 years ago
Thank you, same2u22, for proving my point.
jmcknight00 4 years ago
You had a point??
sAME2U22 4 years ago
I dream of the day when I see a video or other media production that actually allows thoughtful and knowledgeable mormons to discuss their beliefs with others (not necessarily just other Christians). Frankly the world is awash with silly, un-educated anti-mormon propaganda.
jmcknight00 4 years ago
The world is awash?? Maybe you don't realize that you are making a mountain out of a Mormon molehill. For every single Mormon in the world at this moment, there are about 1600 NON Mormons. You give WAY too much significance to the impact your religion is having on the world. Awash indeed!! Delusions of Grandeur is one of several mental conditions extant in Mormonism--along with a serious Persecution Complex. No wonder Utah is the Prozac capitol of the country.
sAME2U22 4 years ago
"Silly"? SILLY?? Who is it that wears ugly underwear? Who is it that said that people are living on the moon? Who is it that said more than 2 earrings is immoral? Marrying other LIVING men's wives is pretty silly. With holding priesthood from blacks was pretty silly. Curse on Lamanites is pretty silly. I could go on but won't. You have to get your head out of your ass and start smelling the roses instead of...
sAME2U22 4 years ago
Yeah Mormons are silly. The reasons are obvious to all non-Mormons. Christians are more absurd than silly though. Woman made from a man's rib, man living inside of a whale, two of each animal on a boat (impossible). Not to mention God changing from merciless in the Old-Testament to merciful in the New-Testament. It is all pretty much Bullshit.
ziggystardust125 4 years ago
Christians only say he did, that claim is compleatly fabricated to try and make the bible work with modern morality.
Read matt 5:17
macman13 4 years ago
I agree with you completely.
mikerstudios 4 years ago
Obviously, you have given yourself to chanting mantras rather than doing the least bit of research. You have demonstrated shallowness & ignorance.
Outlaw1257 4 years ago
You have solidified your ignorance of basic theology. Now go to your Bahai church or wherever you worship yourself at.
rorshakks 4 years ago
We,, Ror:
As I said before, you are no better a philosopher that you are a theologian. You stated thar ALL religions claim to hold the exclusive truth. That is patently false. Now you claim that the examples I mentioned "don't matter", or that you "don't care", ot that they are "irrelevant".
Smoke another one, Ror!!
Outlaw1257 4 years ago
Ror:
I gues your proud of your ignorance, pseudo philosophical ramblings. Continue as you will, but do it on someone els's time.
I'm really NOT trying to make you look foolish. From your mindless drivelling, it is clear that you don't need my help or anyone else's
Outlaw1257 4 years ago
What a dammed MORON you are!!
Refering to Christianity as "one church" is to paint all Christians with one brush.
You have already shown that you do not care about the truth."I dont care what a pope said"...I do not care what other churches say"...All the LDS way!!
Ignore the truth, ignore the facts, & stay w/ those nice warm fuzzy feelings!!
Outlaw1257 4 years ago
The repudiation of the doctrine of "One True Church", or exclusive Truth is part of what drove Martin Luther to nail his "Protestant" proclamations to the door of The Vatican. Buddhism, Unitarian Universalism, as well as many Christian Protestant denominations are founded in the belief that there is no "One True Church".
Outlaw1257 4 years ago
The point is not to call a DENOMINATION the "one true church". There is no one true church but there is one true religion. You missed the point, again. I understand and love what Luther did.
rorshakks 4 years ago