Sung beautifully, but probably the slowest I've ever heard. Is this Westminster Abbey? It's a long motet/anthem, hence the reason we rarely perform it as choristers, along with the fact that good countertenors are hard to find...
@choirboyfromhell1 Interesting that the "Alto 2" parts are sung by a high, light tenor (haute-contre) who makes them sound convincing, and crucially doesn't strain on the top. Alto 1 remains a countertenor, who, sad to say since I'm on the falsettists' side generally, rather pales by comparison to the haute-contre.
The only word I can think of is "sublime". Gibbons was a genius. Listening to this motet is an incredible experience: the theology is great, the music goes straight to the heart and brings tears. Those old English virginalists never cease to amaze me. What a gem this is.
The music indicates this phrasing, and was the local dialect of educated people at the time. C of E cathedral choirs are generally staffed by people deeply aware of the history of liturgical music (often a prerequisite of the job). For the most part, local parish choir directors are often very talented musicians but not academics. Nothing wrong with that unless academic purist get involved. And no version of phrasing really compromises the message, beauty, or intention.
This piece came in useful in a pub theological debate the other day (always dangerous to combine beer and religion...) A friend was asking what the main difference was between the Old and New Testaments was...I had a flash of musical inspiration and said 'the law is cancelled'. I didn't try to sing it though.
Frankly, they are two books of two different religions and, from what I can tell, two different gods. You are fortunate to have people you can talk to about this sort of thing, as most of the time people go very silly about these matters. A good stroke of inspiration, too!
For Gibbons and those who wrote compositions during this period of time, they were following a form of English that would have been very different from our own. English wasn't standardised as is ours today. Spelling was not deemed important so one word could be spelt in a different number of ways all of which would have been correct at that time. The choristers are singing the words as they would have been spoken during the 1500's and before.
Another thing I've noticed is that on Youtube some secular early music is sung in an 'oo-arrrr' mummerset accent presumably supposed to be authentic for the time, but I have never heard sacred music sung in this accent - it's always sung in RP.
What is the general feeling on the singing of all the syllables in words like 'motion' (ie, 'moh-see-on') ?
Is there a 'correct' way to do this - some choirs seem to, especially the more traditional 'high' CofE cathedral choirs, but others, especially at parish level, don't seem to. Is it a traditional v 'modern' dispute?
An excellent motet added to your collection. Thank you for putting the text of the motet. I love English choral music but often it's difficult to hear what is being sung, this way the motet can be appreciated more. Please continue with the good work.
I thank you for your kind comment. I try to post music that I like and hope others like and which I can't find elsewhere on youtube or at least not to the standard I would say is sufficient.
So clear and pure. Long time since I sang this...
JamesLuckhurst 1 year ago
Sung beautifully, but probably the slowest I've ever heard. Is this Westminster Abbey? It's a long motet/anthem, hence the reason we rarely perform it as choristers, along with the fact that good countertenors are hard to find...
choirboyfromhell1 1 year ago
@choirboyfromhell1 Interesting that the "Alto 2" parts are sung by a high, light tenor (haute-contre) who makes them sound convincing, and crucially doesn't strain on the top. Alto 1 remains a countertenor, who, sad to say since I'm on the falsettists' side generally, rather pales by comparison to the haute-contre.
molealto 1 year ago
Mio Dio che musica
lcdm1973 2 years ago
The only word I can think of is "sublime". Gibbons was a genius. Listening to this motet is an incredible experience: the theology is great, the music goes straight to the heart and brings tears. Those old English virginalists never cease to amaze me. What a gem this is.
Jalapablo 2 years ago 2
The music indicates this phrasing, and was the local dialect of educated people at the time. C of E cathedral choirs are generally staffed by people deeply aware of the history of liturgical music (often a prerequisite of the job). For the most part, local parish choir directors are often very talented musicians but not academics. Nothing wrong with that unless academic purist get involved. And no version of phrasing really compromises the message, beauty, or intention.
SolofTarsus5 2 years ago
Thanks - interesting.
This piece came in useful in a pub theological debate the other day (always dangerous to combine beer and religion...) A friend was asking what the main difference was between the Old and New Testaments was...I had a flash of musical inspiration and said 'the law is cancelled'. I didn't try to sing it though.
Londonfogey 2 years ago
Frankly, they are two books of two different religions and, from what I can tell, two different gods. You are fortunate to have people you can talk to about this sort of thing, as most of the time people go very silly about these matters. A good stroke of inspiration, too!
SolofTarsus5 2 years ago
For Gibbons and those who wrote compositions during this period of time, they were following a form of English that would have been very different from our own. English wasn't standardised as is ours today. Spelling was not deemed important so one word could be spelt in a different number of ways all of which would have been correct at that time. The choristers are singing the words as they would have been spoken during the 1500's and before.
Francis1930 2 years ago
Another thing I've noticed is that on Youtube some secular early music is sung in an 'oo-arrrr' mummerset accent presumably supposed to be authentic for the time, but I have never heard sacred music sung in this accent - it's always sung in RP.
Londonfogey 2 years ago
What is the general feeling on the singing of all the syllables in words like 'motion' (ie, 'moh-see-on') ?
Is there a 'correct' way to do this - some choirs seem to, especially the more traditional 'high' CofE cathedral choirs, but others, especially at parish level, don't seem to. Is it a traditional v 'modern' dispute?
Londonfogey 2 years ago
Beautiful - a masterpiece of Gibbon's work.
Smithyinlove 3 years ago 6
Sublime; thrilling; transcendent; music to make the spiritually deaf to hear.
cousinjk 3 years ago 8
DO you truly believe that finding deep beauty in amazing music would necessarily facilitate a belief in a god?
@cousinjk
hazzac1234 1 year ago
@hazzac1234 Yes stupid answer to a stupid question. You are obviously a heretic.
Francis1930 11 months ago
One of Gibbons's greatest verse anthems. The passage beginning "See the fresh wounds" is mind-blowing. Thanks for posting.
kkallebb 3 years ago 7
An excellent motet added to your collection. Thank you for putting the text of the motet. I love English choral music but often it's difficult to hear what is being sung, this way the motet can be appreciated more. Please continue with the good work.
J8286590 3 years ago 5
WOW!! Thanks a lot for posting this. Fantastic version of this seldom-heard classic.
Bravo, Francis1930. I salute you for this.
HolyMotherofGrid 3 years ago 6
I thank you for your kind comment. I try to post music that I like and hope others like and which I can't find elsewhere on youtube or at least not to the standard I would say is sufficient.
Francis1930 3 years ago
This is my favorite so far
Dakuwon 3 years ago 5
Yet again another excellent piece of work.
It is useful to have the lyrics accompanying this fantastic rendition.
handyman109 3 years ago 5