MORMONISM IS NOT A CHRISTIAN RELIGION! BE CAREFUL THAT YOU ARE NOT LEAD INTO THE DECEPTION OF THIS PROVEN FALSE RELIGION!
I read this book and highly recommend it for everyone who is looking in to this blasphemous religion that can take your soul to hell. The author grew up in the Mormon Church and it is a completely FALSE RELIGION!
Arm yourselves! Read the book: “CAN MITT ROMNEY SERVE TWO MASTERS? The Mormon Church Versus The Office Of The Presidency of the United States of America”
I read this book and highly recommend it for everyone who is looking in to this blasphemous religion that can take your soul to hell. The author grew up in the Mormon Church and it is a completely FALSE RELIGION!
Arm yourselves! Read the book: “CAN MITT ROMNEY SERVE TWO MASTERS? The Mormon Church Versus The Office Of The Presidency of the United States of America”
Any spirit that came to Joseph Smith, Jr. and it's name was MORON...is not a good spirit. MORON? Come on!
He is identified as the same angel who presented the golden plates to Joseph Smith, Jr., who claimed to translate the plates upon which the Book of Mormon was originally written. Again MORON? hmmm.....I think we know where that spirit came from and it wasn't Heaven.
Thank you so sir for sharing these words of wisdom with us that battle the perversion of mormonism. You made me realize why the mormon I been dealing with keeps saying oh science and religion don't mix and wants to quickly end that conversation. I was trying to say to him if two plus two doesn't equal four in the bible that our whole religion is a fairy tale not worthy of belief. After hearing the clip on the weight of the gold plates and this clip. I see why they avoid science.
"the curse" was preserved through the Egyptians (Abraham 1:21) Joseph Smith claimed to be from the tribe of Ephrain, son Joseph who married and had children with his Egyptian wife (Gen 41:50-52). So according to the Book of Abraham, Jospeph Smith would be ineligible to hold the Mormon priesthood!
@amaxamon Science? I assume your talking about evolution? Evolution is not science sorry another idiotic atheist prophet named chuck the nut. evolution does not meet the criteria to become actualy science. No one ever observed the creation of the planet some how evolutionist zealots seem to forget that observation is key to real science.
@summergod27 I have been studying it all my life. You are reading *into* the text. The text is literal and means precisely what is says and it is 100% wrong.
@amaxamon I strongly disagree. God said let there be light and there was light. The act of letting something happen is allowing something to happen. I plant seeds and water them and LET them grown into a plant. Hmm, maybe God put everything here and let it grow. Maybe God allowed some sort of evolution or adaptation to occur. It says the birds came up from the waters. God is amazing and he knows everything. Maybe when i get to heaven I will understand it but Gods thoughts are higher than mine.
@summergod27 Faith is impervious to fact. Bible: earth made at the beginning; nothing but water and God's breath; God creates light; God creates night/day; God erects a giant protective shell to keep the "waters" in the heavens; God creates flora; the stars we see are on the inside of this shell; God creates sea monsters and birds then other creatures; God makes man. Thx to science we now know this is WRONG. Bye!!!
@amaxamon Show me the proof by science. I went to college I studied biology, I studied chemistry and no where did it prove the bible wrong. Jesus said, all who will let him come. You don't have to believe but that doesn't make it not true.
the cross is a humiliation and an ugly tool of death. the lds drawings are not even correct (not surprising) since Jesus was on the cross, there were scars that he has on his hands and feet. In mormon drawings there are no scars, so what I am saying is the mormon jesus did not die for anyone. If you are a mormon truly desiring the truth reject the bom it is just fiction.
when Jesus states that He is the way the truth and the life mormon leaders tell us that mormonism is the way the truth and the life (read John 14:6) and when Jesus is clearly = with God joe tells us that God is a created being, now how can that = Christianity. To be a Christian is to be born again, asking Jesus to forgive us, and to cleanse us from all our unrighteousness, far cry from mormonism where you can get rid of your sin by doing good works. No Need For Jesus' work at the Cross.
ok you have gone a little too far I believe. How do you know I am not born again? Lets look at that comment for a while... Where does this term come from and what does it mean? The term comes from the new testament when Jesus was speaking, and he was saying that in side of you (your soul) has to be changed it has to be a turning away from the old and to have faith in Jesus, not man. Mormons shutter at the thought of being born again because mormonism teaches that you as a man can be a god
New King James Version (NKJV) 10 Mercy and truth have met together; Righteousness and peace have kissed. 11 Truth shall spring out of the earth, And righteousness shall look down from heaven.
A revelation for the book of mormon. Tell me, ignoramus, how does this scripture apply to your false religion? LOL
"out of the earth." You guys think your three headed trinitarian anthropomorphic goo jebus came from the ground?
are you kidding me are you that diluted? I guess you can believe anything you want, but please do not try to pass on to people the lies lds leaders and so called researchers have suggested. the only part of the book of mormon that is written by Jesus is the parts copied by joe from the Bible. There is no congruency between the beliefs of the bom to the Bible except the copied parts. Your archeology lies, your theology lies. There are more benefits to reading the bible than the bom.
more power to you lds people. you people need to read the 1830 version and the current version side by side and see the changes made. if you read doc and the book of mormon you will get another set of contradictions. Get rid of those books and just read the Bible and believe only on the Lord Jesus Christ.
New King James Version (NKJV) 10 Mercy and truth have met together; Righteousness and peace have kissed. 11 Truth shall spring out of the earth, And righteousness shall look down from heaven.
A revelation for the book of mormon. Tell me, ignoramus, how does this scripture apply to your false religion? LOL
"out of the earth." You guys think your three headed trinitarian anthropomorphic goo jebus came from the ground?
@LDS4Life71 you will have a real life because you will not feel the need to call people names and demean other people with your comments.
proves my other point that when Christians talk constructively about the bom and mormons, mormons either have two human responses 1> anger, and 2>crying and emotionally charged diatribe. Use the Bible correctly Use the Bible to change your life and you will have the power to change lives. joe is just a human, do not deify him.
@MrBigbear6718 What matters is you are not born again, and not a true christian. Come unto Christ and stand in the waters of baptism and join the TRUE church of JESUS CHRIST.
I know Joseph Smith was alike unto Moses, and has done more for the salvation of man save Jesus Christ only.
This would be the same con-man who made a living by "treasure hunting" with his "magic rocks", and who would later claim to be a "prophet" whenever he needed to convince the gullible fools that followed him by saying that "god" or "angels" told him something? Need some money? Tell a halfwit farmer to put his farm up for collateral in the name of "god". Feeling horny? Tell them that "god" told you that polgyamy is "god's will. And on, and on, and on.
@StaceyC123 You should try listening to lead Mayan archaeologist Dr. Richard Hansen, who happens to be LDS, as he is going to rewrite history. He is actually working IN THE FIELD, and not some pencil pushing hack wannabe.
"Rewrite" happens to be the key word here; you brainwashed fools are so desperate to try to come up with something to try to support your fairy tales that you will ignore reality, and that goes for the supposed "historians" who buy into your fairy tales. There is NO credible evidence for any of Smith's lies, and plenty to discredit them.
@LDS4Life71 That is a lie. No he isn't. Jesus Christ didn't even write the New Testament. It was men that were inspired by the Holy Ghost. You telling me that the book of mormon is better than the Gospel of Jesus Christ? Paul said he didn't do anything but preach the gospel of Jesus and that is enough to save sinners. Why did we need something new? Jesus died on the cross and arose the 3rd day and that was enough to save me.
Here is a scholarly proof of your corrupted, man-made Trinity. The Encyclopedia Americana: "Christianity derived from Judaism and Judaism was strictly Unitarian [believing that God is one person]. The road which led from Jerusalem to Nicaea was scarcely a straight one. Fourth century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was, on the contrary, a deviation from this teaching." -- (1956), Vol. XXVII, p. 294L.)
@LDS4Life71 You know, Temples and pyramids aren't the same thing. Putting an alter on top of it, for ritual human sacrifice, is not a temple. Not a Jewish one, either. And ritual human sacrifice in a Jewish temple is a no-no. Also, why would Mormon walk with 50+ lbs of copper and gold some 6000 miles and bury it in a drumlin w/o a word? and why do all those towns in the east have the names in the BofM? But none of those names are found in S.A.
@IExposeMormonism You know you are an idiot. The ritual sacrifice was not always used on all the temples down there. Not all the cities practiced human sacrifice. Only the lamanite ones did.
@LDS4Life71 Oh, and the pyramids are temples or the alter on the pyramid is the temple or the pyramid is transformed into a temple when it has an alter on top? You guys are looking at pyramids as if they're temples. They're not. Do you believe Mayans and Olmecs didn't practice ritual human sacrifice? They all did.
@IExposeMormonism The Nephites did NOT, and the Anti Nephi Lehites stopped and ceased doing it. The prophets whole point was to try get them to stop. and why the LORD commisioned them. The text is in line with their history. There is absolultely no way it was some ingenious invention of a madman calling himself a prophet. LOL
You've have to be self delusional in the face of the evidence verifying the book of Mormon as the American testament for Christ.
@IExposeMormonism The Nephites did NOT, and the Anti Nephi Lehites stopped and ceased doing it. The prophets whole point was to try get them to stop. and why the LORD commisioned them. The text is in line with their history. There is absolultely no way it was some ingenious invention of a madman calling himself a prophet. LOL
You've have to be self delusional in the face of the evidence verifying the book of Mormon as the American testament for Christ.
The Book of Mormon is a volume of holy scripture comparable to the Bible and is a record of God's dealings with His chosen people in the New World. The main purpose of the Book of Mormon is "to the convincing of Jew and Gentile that JESUS is the CHRIST, the ETERNAL GOD, manifesting himself unto all nations." (Book of Mormon Title Page) It was written by ancient American prophets for our day (Mormon 8:35) and is an American testament of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Got any evidence for these claims? It reads exactly like I would expect it to read if it was written by a con-man in his 20s whose only exposure to religious fairy tales was a copy of the KJV, and there isn't a SCRAP of actual physical evidence for any of the claims that Smith made.
@StaceyC123 my whole channel is dedicated to the evidences. I have the up to date map of the book of Mormon lands as it has been mapped out by Dr. John Sorenson archaeology, and anthropology.
You may as well have the entire land of Narnia mapped out, since it has as much relation to these fairy tales as Smith's lies do; this con-man changed his story at the drop of a hat (the hat he'd put his "seer" stone into) whenever his lies started to prove inconvenient or he wanted to direct his gullible sheep in a new direction.
@StaceyC123 yeah and if you believe that then I have a bridge I want to sell. You see they aren't fairy tailes. They are exactly what it claims. The only fairy tailes are in your head. You can't compare Namia with the lands of the book of Mormon. One is fiction and the other is NON fiction. You figure it out.
There is EXACTLY as much evidence for Narnia as there is for Smith's imaginary "Israelite colonizers", fool, the only difference is that Narnia was sold as fiction from the outset, and this con-man Smith was lucky enough to find some semi-retarded farmers that were stupid enough to believe his lies. He wrote his fairy tales in the same sort of ancient English that his printing of the KJV was in, and "reformed Egyptian" doesn't even EXIST.
@LDS4Life71 *The Book of Mormon is a volume of holy scripture comparable to the Bible* Yes, I know where Jerusalem is. Where is Zarahemla? Where is even the tinyist trace of Hebrew DNA? Horses that predate the Spanish Conquistadors? And what about the Book of Abraham? We can translate Egyptian now, dude. Poor Hugh Nibley went mad defending the thing, and in his madness raped his 5 year old daughter.
First Timers: The cover of my Book of Mormon was blue, I don't know how to judge "blue". And sure, take some time to read the book. Particularly the parts that are obvious plagarisms from the KJV Bible. The verses have the fingerprints of the KJV transtlators all over them. It's easy to google for : Book of Mormon King James plagarism. The Mormon church has put work and money into positioning their sites show up near the top of google search results, so scroll down a bit.
First Timers: Don't judge this book by its cover or by what you might think you know about it. Take some time to read it. We have read it numerous times and are posting topics here to help you as you read. As Herbert Spencer once said, “There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance – that principle is contempt prior to investigation.”
@LDS4Life71 Don't listen to these hateful Anti-Mormons. To learn the TRUTH about The Book of Mormon, here are some websites people should investigate:
Foundation for Archaeological Imaginings for Latter Day Saints: FAIL.D.S.org
Foundation for Omniscient Observations for Latter Day Saints: FOOL.D.S.org
Society for Historically Imagined Lands for Latter Day Saints: SHILL.D.S.org
@LDS4Life71 I have read it, I can tell you for sure that it seems to be plagerized. It does nothing but re-tell the stories of the gospel of matthew, tells of the Jaredites which they claim are jewish american indians, and tell a story of golden tablets that only one guy could read then unfortunately lost. I could believe it a little better if they still had the tablets. Not too mention, the blatent contridictions of the characteristics of Jesus and God from the bible.
@MrQwertyqwerty12345 That's just hateful Anti-Mormon talk. The Book of Mormon is Completely correct........ except when it isn't correct. Our Profits are always correct...... except when they aren't correct.
No you are certainly confused, but your Catholic agenda of lies is clear. You go around and spout off lies, because your some paid Catholic operative.
Joseph Smith and the plates were true, and they weighed ONLY about 60lbs, and that burden is manageable to a big kid like Joseph Smith who was no weenie, but I know you are endofus (Pure weenie) NO backbone, and a liar.
@LDS4Life71 Mormon forefathers bore their testimonies for a different set of doctrines that are now said to be false by the current LDS church.Some of these doctrines were: Adam as God, polygamy is essential to salvation, blacks will be denied the priesthood until the second comming of Christ, blood atonment and death oaths. If Mormon forefathers testimonies can't be trusted what makes you think yours can be trusted, what makes you better then Joseph Smith and Brigham Young?
@endofus Hopefully if you become a god after this life, you can be there with Joseph smith and rule a world that don't have REAL christians in it. I truely urge you to read the bible and not the BOM for a while. You may indeed see the differences yourself. It almost sounds like what the devil told them in the garden, take of this and you will become as gods, just depends on which level you'll be a god in. You'll be able to rule over a wonderful section of hell...ole joseph will be there with you
"the curse" was preserved through the Egyptians (Abraham 1:21) Joseph Smith claimed to be from the tribe of Ephrain, son Joseph who married and had children with his Egyptian wife (Gen 41:50-52). So according to the Book of Abraham, Jospeph Smith would be ineligible to hold the Mormon priesthood!
Mckeever's talks sounds rediculous today in light of all the evidences that support that the book of Mormon took place in meso america, and it was the Mayan descendants who snuffed out the Nephite people. The city of Teotihuacan which means "The place where men become gods."
The temple of the white bearded God, Quetzal did temple sealings and baptisms for the dead, and we'll have the truth in about a month from the archaeologists.
@LDS4Life71 Even with any such finding by archaeologists the bogus Book of Mormon remains fraught with enormous credibility issues, many & varied, insurmountable because its historicity is fictitious & fabrication that turns itching ears to fables.
Thomas S. Ferguson who headed up the NWAF into which the LDS church poured & wasted hundreds of thousands of dollars stated "Mormonism is probably the best conceived myth-fraternity to which one can belong... "
@Shulamitefire On the devil-inspired doctrine of the "Trinity"
The deity of Jesus Christ was decided upon by a vote . A few hundred church leaders gathered at Nicea in 325 AD. to vote on the matter. (the vote was loaded, because most of the opposing bishops were either KILLED or EXHILED or excluded!) Representation for the TRUTH about the Godhead was allowed by only a small fraction of those TRUE Christians...we lost the TRUTH then to the pagan trinity of man.
@agnostaxian There is a span of about thirty years in which Moroni has to travel away from Central America. That is ample time for the LORD to lead Moroni to todays NY.
@LDS4Life71 So there is no hill camorah in central america like many in farms think? Many in Farms think that the angel moved the plates from central america to NY, you disagree with that?
@LDS4Life71 Do you think that if I was there with Joseph Smith when he found the gold plates that I would have seen them? The way Joseph, Oliver and Martin Harris describe the plates, I sometimes think that they were more metaphysical than physical
Is not ok to be a sinner (period) I'm not gay, but sin lives in me, if I see an attractive man in the street I may lust after him, that makes me an adulterer, n if I see something in someone’s else's I might covenant for it, I’m no different from a gay person. But I have forgiveness, Isaiah 1:18 Jer 31:34. Acts 8:12. Jer 50:20. Daniel 9:9. Mark 2:17. 2:5. Luke 7:48 Luke1:69-77. Acts 5:3113:38, and on. His quick to forgive.
@calman1951 "Is it true that J.Smith was a known treasure hunter in N.Y.?"
I think he was arrested several times for being a con man - FAIRLDS.org won't give you the truth as nobody would join if they knew the actual facts.. Smith started a cult so he could have many wives, take 10% of people's income and have nobody question him. Sounds like a cult to me.
Mormons are so gullible. Despite the many facts that show he was a charlatan, they will still believe. Cult members are like that.
The Mormons - the only religion more batshit crazy than Scientology.
The Mormon church is mum on the DNA data that proves the Indians are not a lost tribe of Isreal as stated in the Book of Mormon. And the LDS church said they received a new "communication" from God in 1978 saying that blacks could become LDS priests. Are you kidding me? LOL
I can understand people being Mormons from birth as they are indoctrinated early. Only an idiot would convert to this religion - i.e. Glenn Beck.
@TheSnoopy1750 (facepalm) untrue crap. I am so happy and glad I know the truth and see thru all the mudslingling and that the CHURCH of JESUS CHRIST is restored and true.
He is quoting from the BoM directly as well as other Mormon sources.
Believing something does not make it true. Joseph Smith the charlatan wrote a fake book so he could benefit from a cult that lives until this day - that is actually quite impressive. Of course he needed to attract gullible followers, which are easy to find - look at that End of the World guy (Harold Camping) who raised millions from suckers.
@TheSnoopy1750 Joseph Smith could Not possibly have wrote, copyied it, or any other idiotic idea the shallow anti mormons can come up with. It is an ancient Semitic text and its origin is 600BC till 420AD. There are Many things found within the book of MORMON that joseph Smith or anyone in his day could possibly have known.
You are really a master red herring, but by all means carry on, oh wise one. lol
There is nothing Smith wrote that could not be made up.
He screwed up writing that the Indians were a lost tribe of Israel among other things. The Mormon church is a profit machine like all cults - I love how they received a new "communication" from God saying it was now OK to let blacks be priests - LOL They had to given racism was a no no.
You can believe whatever you want, but for you to attack those who know Smith was a charlatan is pathetic.
@TheSnoopy1750 Oh So you some kind of moronic disbelieving agnostic? YOU need to cry up someone elses tree. Just because you're so narrow minded that as long as it cannot be easily categorized, you won't believe it.
So just because Bigfoot hasn't been officially documented, but thousands of sightings around the world verify it's existence, are you going to sit and refute that too?
@TheSnoopy1750 You atheists are so dumb. It wasn't until couple weeks ago that Egypt had only like a handful of pyramids. You are so gullible it's sickening. Richard Dawkins is a complete tool.
@LDS4Life71 I don't mind debating that Mormonism is a cult Joseph Smith made up.
There's proof he was a charlatan as well as DNA proving the BoM is a fraud, not to mention the 1978 "communication" that blacks could now be accepted as priests, Kinderhook plates as well as Young's claim that interracial marriage is punishable by death and will always be so - what happened to that?
You can't defend Mormonism - you just divert to unrelated subjects like Bigfoot and pyramids. LOL
@TheSnoopy1750 take your lower lip and pull it over your head and swallow. It would be a huge upgrade in your looks. You got nothing of substance. Jesus Christ is my cult leader and the founder of our faith. To be gay is to be socially defective, and disgusting in sin.
@LDS4Life71 “To be gay is to be socially defective, and disgusting in sin.” What an example of prejudice this is. Assuming that Jesus Christ existed, he never mentioned anything about homosexuality. Furthermore, imho, there is nothing that labels same sex activity not involving cultic prostitution a sin in the four Mormon volume of scriptures.
@LDS4Life71 It is easy to say, “The scriptures are quite clear.” The hard part is answering why Jesus never mentioned anything about homosexuality and showing how these “holy books” are quite plain in that subject. Jesus said nothing on this “serious sin” that you say is important. This Christ mentioned many other “serious offenses”, but completely omitted this particular one. Why?
@jlm2525 The words of the bible were inspired by revelation to the apostles. Read the epistle of Paul to JUDE!
Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gommorrah and the cities about them in the like manner, giving themselves over ot fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of the eternal fire.
@LDS4Life71 “The words of the bible were inspired by revelation to the apostles.” If we need to follow the epistle to Jude, than we must also obey ALL of Paul’s words like in 1 Corinthians 11:14, “Doeth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair it is a shame unto him?” What about Jesus?
@LDS4Life71 Furthermore, 1 Corinthians 14:34, “Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak.” So some things we follow and other things we do not for whatever reasons (different times, fashions, etc…)! Anyways, I would stick to Jesus’ gospel not Paul’s, and I still insist that your Jesus deity does not mention homosexuality at all!
@LDS4Life71 And one more thing, the LDS church teaches that Peter not Paul was the steward or head of the church in Jesus’ absence. I feel like I’m wasting my time with someone that picks and chooses what part of the Bible he or she will follow, and is ignorant of his or her religion’s doctrine.
@jlm2525 Paul and Peter and the REST of the TWELVE were stewards. Peter alone wasn't the steward. The entire twelve aposltes had to agree on the church business. But we all know that their apostolic authority was killed off and Constantine was a counterfeit christian, and hence the doctrines which came from the councils of nicea are doctrines of men.
@LDS4Life71 Nice!?! I’m not gonna argue on early Christian leadership with you since to me it’s all mythology just like your BoM. The only people that defend the “historicity” of that sacred book are the dogmatic fairslds and farms organizations, which bring non-peer reviewed data to the table.
@jlm2525 I hope you will one day take a closer look for it is not mythology ,but there are too many things that prove that it is not myth. I know that Jesus Christ lives, and he is the ONLY begotten of our Eternal Father, and that the book of Mormon is true, as is the bible. Both are inspired works, and the holy ghost accompanies readers who humbly ponder it's words and confirming the truth, and teaching us about our purpose here on the earth.
@LDS4Life71 This appeal to emotions that you shared with me shows concern, and I appreciate it except that I went through that process a lot of times. Many Christians have a witness of the Holy Ghost when they ponder about their god and they have a confirmation of the “truth” into their hearts. The fact is that all emotional “knowing” comes from the brain, and peer-reviewed biologists, archeologists and Egyptologists have established that both the BoM and the BoA aren’t historical.
@LDS4Life71 Additionally, you’re avoiding addressing both Paul’s opinions on men’s short hair and women speaking in church, and you keep repeating that you know something without providing any peer-reviewed evidence for the historicity of the BoM and the BoA. I’m having a discussion with a circular debater, which is a waste of time!!!
@LDS4Life71 . Additionally, the BoA has huge discrepancies with mainstream Egyptology. To be fair, your Jesus Christ deity has NO contemporary historical evidence, something utterly absurd from The Son Of God, the biggest miracle maker and large crowd gatherer. My conclusion is that this historical figure is in reality a mythological character.
@LDS4Life71 The council of Nicea was convened to defend against heresy such as Arianism. Do you know that Mormonism is Arian? As you should know the lesser Mormon Jesus is not the uncreated Creator of all creation that Christians follow. Arians believed that Christ's spirit was created like every anti-Christ Mormon. So, please, cease spewing your sewage that your church pours through you & yours concerning Christians & their creeds. What do you think your articles of faith are if not creeds?
@Shulamitefire The Jews were first polytheistic then they shifted to henotheism then later into monotheism in the context of thier Babylonian captivity. In this CONTEXT it was the practice of the time in Babylon to have a community altar to put all the IDOLS which were "FORMED" (of wood/silver/gold) on this altar..Jehovah's idol also was put on this altar. Jehovah said that this should not be the case to put "BEFORE" HIM these FALSE gods.
@LDS4Life71 BoM describes a civilization lasting for a thousand years, covering both North and South America, which was familiar with horses, elephants, cattle, sheep, wheat, barley, steel, wheeled vehicles, shipbuilding, sails, coins, and other elements of Old World culture. But no trace of any of these very common things has ever been found . Nor does the Book of Mormon mention many of the features of the civilizations which really did exist at that time in the Americas
Moroni carried the 250 LB (based on the dims Smith gave of the plates and we know what the weight of gold is) on his Tapier? (i.e small timid nocturnal creature the size of a dog which was supposed to be a horse) 4000 miles but makes not mention of it.
@endofus You don't have any idea of the weight of the plates. They didn't weight but around 60lbs. They weren't pure gold, but had the appearance of gold. It is a metal alloy. Native Americans have an word for the alloy called TUMBAGA. Google it.
@LDS4Life71 So I guess that's why the Mormon church thinks it can deny gays the legal right to marry. The LDS church spent $25MM to support Prop 8 as it's a bigoted organization started by a charlatan.
Do you believe Brigham Young when he said that interracial marriage is punishable by death and this will always be so?
Mormons hate blacks and gays. Yeah, this is a religious cult that I want to belong to. LOL
@TheSnoopy1750 Actually major religions are against gay marriage, not just LDS. There are quite a few that line up to stop gay marriage. how do you feel about that?
While you're at it, read
Jude 1:1, and you can see how God will treat gays.
@TheSnoopy1750 When informed that a black Mormon in Massachusetts had married a white woman, Brigham Young told the apostles in December 1847 that he would have both of them killed 'if they were far away from the Gentiles.'"(The Mormon Hierarchy: Extensions of Power, Vol. 2, pages 246-247) ..I think when he reads this, maybe he'll get the point of what u are talking about.
@TheSnoopy1750 IAssumed so, No worries, you are going to be call and ani-christ, or a lier, but they can't say is not church history, they can't proof it wrong, because it's written , and leaders won't tell them because it could damege their faith, and they'll stop giving their 10% and that could hurt the walls, they won't be able to buy more fancy floors and more pictures of Joseph Smith.
@LDS4Life71 What do you care what any rational person thinks about the fraudulent LDS cult?
After all, you get your own planet after death if you are a good Mormon. That is your reward for mindlessly obeying the cult leaders and giving 10% of your income to them.
@LDS4Life71 "Jesus Christ is my cult leader and the founder of our faith. "
The scary part is that you actually don't realize that the charlatan Joseph Smith is the founder of your delusional faith. Your leader was a known con man. Jesus was known to have lived 2,000 years ago - there were no sightings of Jesus by anyone at the time of Joseph Smith except, you guessed it, Joseph Smith. Where are the golden tablets?
@LDS4Life71 Even if Mormonism was not a complete fraud, who wants to belong to an organization that is outwardly hostile toward gays to such an extent that the LDS church would spend $25MM supporting Prop 8 in California to prevent people from marrying?
Intolerance and bigotry is not a virtue. I guess since the LDS church can no longer discriminate against blacks, the gays are the next best thing.
Jesus the mediator, Ephesians 2:13-18 but now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ, (the shading NOT sweating). For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of two, thus making peace, and this one body reconcile both of them to God
I love how I make a comment proving that certain native American populations, including the Hopewell Indians, have the haplogroup X DNA, which comes from the middle east, and I get all these inflammatory comments from anti-Mormons. I don't mind...It doesn't shake my testimony of Jesus Christ and truth of the Book of Mormon.
Gordon B Hincley. AS a church we have critics, many of them, they say we don’t believe in the traditional Christ of Christianity; there is some substance to what they say. Our faith and knowledge, is NOT based on ancient tradition, our faith our knowledge comes from the witness of the prophet in this dispensation, Dispensation? what it means is that the doctrine is on the prophet, not what Jesus said in the old and new testament. lol
Besides his assertion that the Book of Mormon was far superior to the Bible, he charged that the Bible had been changed by "Ignorant translators, careless transcribers, or designing and corrupt priests... " (History of the Church, vol. 6, page 57) Oh please, Your prophet Jose was nothing but an arragant womenizer and a pedophile. The book of Mormon is not true, and no archeological evidence is found to support it. (period)
I choose to glorify god, not no lehi, nephi, joe smith or other new prophets. God. he is our creater and father. To try and take away his glory or share it is not right or christien in my opinion. Coming from a mormon family, i know they glorify prophets just as much, or sometimes more than god himself. And they call themselves christien?...... God speaks to me no less than he would an apostle, he communicates to me in his own speciel way as i do him.
Search in Youtube Hopewell Indians DNA and you will find they have up to 50% of the population has Haplogroup X, which is the DNA from the middle east. This is irrefutable evidence that the ancestors of the Hopewell Indians came from the middle east.
Second, comparisons between the mtDNA from individuals from the Hopewell site and a database of mtDNA from groups from all over the world, demonstrated that these ancient Native Americans shared close ties with Asia – especially, China, Korea, Japan, and Mongolia. This offers strong support for the already well-supported conclusion that Native Americans originated in Asia and migrated to the Americas in the past 15,000 years.
@joshualindsay3 All of man kind will have DNA "matching" stretching back to Noah and days of Adam and Eve. DNA testing for Native Americans linking them to Hebrews of the period, has been proven false. This argument is pathetic and desperate. Find another cult that has their facts straight.
HAHAHA GOD DOES NOT EXIST
STOP DENYING IT MORMONS HAHAHAHAHA
kamikazee55 2 weeks ago
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MORMONISM IS NOT A CHRISTIAN RELIGION! BE CAREFUL THAT YOU ARE NOT LEAD INTO THE DECEPTION OF THIS PROVEN FALSE RELIGION!
I read this book and highly recommend it for everyone who is looking in to this blasphemous religion that can take your soul to hell. The author grew up in the Mormon Church and it is a completely FALSE RELIGION!
Arm yourselves! Read the book: “CAN MITT ROMNEY SERVE TWO MASTERS? The Mormon Church Versus The Office Of The Presidency of the United States of America”
certainlytruthful 3 weeks ago
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I read this book and highly recommend it for everyone who is looking in to this blasphemous religion that can take your soul to hell. The author grew up in the Mormon Church and it is a completely FALSE RELIGION!
Arm yourselves! Read the book: “CAN MITT ROMNEY SERVE TWO MASTERS? The Mormon Church Versus The Office Of The Presidency of the United States of America”
certainlytruthful 1 month ago
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Any spirit that came to Joseph Smith, Jr. and it's name was MORON...is not a good spirit. MORON? Come on!
He is identified as the same angel who presented the golden plates to Joseph Smith, Jr., who claimed to translate the plates upon which the Book of Mormon was originally written. Again MORON? hmmm.....I think we know where that spirit came from and it wasn't Heaven.
misspeanut100 3 months ago
Thank you so sir for sharing these words of wisdom with us that battle the perversion of mormonism. You made me realize why the mormon I been dealing with keeps saying oh science and religion don't mix and wants to quickly end that conversation. I was trying to say to him if two plus two doesn't equal four in the bible that our whole religion is a fairy tale not worthy of belief. After hearing the clip on the weight of the gold plates and this clip. I see why they avoid science.
Dionanthon 3 months ago
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"the curse" was preserved through the Egyptians (Abraham 1:21) Joseph Smith claimed to be from the tribe of Ephrain, son Joseph who married and had children with his Egyptian wife (Gen 41:50-52). So according to the Book of Abraham, Jospeph Smith would be ineligible to hold the Mormon priesthood!
endofus 3 months ago
Great! Now apply the same logic to the Bible! Science certainly doesn't agree with Genesis Chapter 1 & 2. Go to it!
amaxamon 4 months ago
@amaxamon Science? I assume your talking about evolution? Evolution is not science sorry another idiotic atheist prophet named chuck the nut. evolution does not meet the criteria to become actualy science. No one ever observed the creation of the planet some how evolutionist zealots seem to forget that observation is key to real science.
Dionanthon 3 months ago
@Dionanthon No, astronomy and astro-physics. They don't agree with Genesis. Genesis gets it wrong.
amaxamon 3 months ago
@amaxamon I don't know what exactly your talking about maybe you can explain further?
Dionanthon 3 months ago
@amaxamon I disagree with you. Maybe you should truly read it for yourself and know what it says.
summergod27 3 months ago
@summergod27 I have been studying it all my life. You are reading *into* the text. The text is literal and means precisely what is says and it is 100% wrong.
amaxamon 3 months ago
@amaxamon I strongly disagree. God said let there be light and there was light. The act of letting something happen is allowing something to happen. I plant seeds and water them and LET them grown into a plant. Hmm, maybe God put everything here and let it grow. Maybe God allowed some sort of evolution or adaptation to occur. It says the birds came up from the waters. God is amazing and he knows everything. Maybe when i get to heaven I will understand it but Gods thoughts are higher than mine.
summergod27 3 months ago
@summergod27 Faith is impervious to fact. Bible: earth made at the beginning; nothing but water and God's breath; God creates light; God creates night/day; God erects a giant protective shell to keep the "waters" in the heavens; God creates flora; the stars we see are on the inside of this shell; God creates sea monsters and birds then other creatures; God makes man. Thx to science we now know this is WRONG. Bye!!!
amaxamon 3 months ago
@amaxamon Show me the proof by science. I went to college I studied biology, I studied chemistry and no where did it prove the bible wrong. Jesus said, all who will let him come. You don't have to believe but that doesn't make it not true.
summergod27 3 months ago
no wonder the lds do not wear the cross.
the cross is a humiliation and an ugly tool of death. the lds drawings are not even correct (not surprising) since Jesus was on the cross, there were scars that he has on his hands and feet. In mormon drawings there are no scars, so what I am saying is the mormon jesus did not die for anyone. If you are a mormon truly desiring the truth reject the bom it is just fiction.
MrBigbear6718 4 months ago
when Jesus states that He is the way the truth and the life mormon leaders tell us that mormonism is the way the truth and the life (read John 14:6) and when Jesus is clearly = with God joe tells us that God is a created being, now how can that = Christianity. To be a Christian is to be born again, asking Jesus to forgive us, and to cleanse us from all our unrighteousness, far cry from mormonism where you can get rid of your sin by doing good works. No Need For Jesus' work at the Cross.
MrBigbear6718 4 months ago
ok you have gone a little too far I believe. How do you know I am not born again? Lets look at that comment for a while... Where does this term come from and what does it mean? The term comes from the new testament when Jesus was speaking, and he was saying that in side of you (your soul) has to be changed it has to be a turning away from the old and to have faith in Jesus, not man. Mormons shutter at the thought of being born again because mormonism teaches that you as a man can be a god
MrBigbear6718 4 months ago
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New King James Version (NKJV) 10 Mercy and truth have met together; Righteousness and peace have kissed. 11 Truth shall spring out of the earth, And righteousness shall look down from heaven.
A revelation for the book of mormon. Tell me, ignoramus, how does this scripture apply to your false religion? LOL
"out of the earth." You guys think your three headed trinitarian anthropomorphic goo jebus came from the ground?
LDS4Life71 4 months ago
are you kidding me are you that diluted? I guess you can believe anything you want, but please do not try to pass on to people the lies lds leaders and so called researchers have suggested. the only part of the book of mormon that is written by Jesus is the parts copied by joe from the Bible. There is no congruency between the beliefs of the bom to the Bible except the copied parts. Your archeology lies, your theology lies. There are more benefits to reading the bible than the bom.
MrBigbear6718 4 months ago
more power to you lds people. you people need to read the 1830 version and the current version side by side and see the changes made. if you read doc and the book of mormon you will get another set of contradictions. Get rid of those books and just read the Bible and believe only on the Lord Jesus Christ.
MrBigbear6718 4 months ago
@MrBigbear6718 Jesus Christ is the author of the book of mormon
LDS4Life71 4 months ago
@LDS4Life71
Prove it.
StaceyC123 4 months ago
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@StaceyC123 Psalm 85:10-11
New King James Version (NKJV) 10 Mercy and truth have met together; Righteousness and peace have kissed. 11 Truth shall spring out of the earth, And righteousness shall look down from heaven.
A revelation for the book of mormon. Tell me, ignoramus, how does this scripture apply to your false religion? LOL
"out of the earth." You guys think your three headed trinitarian anthropomorphic goo jebus came from the ground?
LDS4Life71 4 months ago
@LDS4Life71 this bit of the Bible may bolster your belief but you forgot to read the verses before and after Psalm 85 10-11
proves my point that you do read the Bible but in the light of the bom. get rid of that religious fiction and you will have a real life.
MrBigbear6718 4 months ago
@LDS4Life71 you will have a real life because you will not feel the need to call people names and demean other people with your comments.
proves my other point that when Christians talk constructively about the bom and mormons, mormons either have two human responses 1> anger, and 2>crying and emotionally charged diatribe. Use the Bible correctly Use the Bible to change your life and you will have the power to change lives. joe is just a human, do not deify him.
MrBigbear6718 4 months ago
@MrBigbear6718 What matters is you are not born again, and not a true christian. Come unto Christ and stand in the waters of baptism and join the TRUE church of JESUS CHRIST.
I know Joseph Smith was alike unto Moses, and has done more for the salvation of man save Jesus Christ only.
LDS4Life71 4 months ago
@LDS4Life71
This would be the same con-man who made a living by "treasure hunting" with his "magic rocks", and who would later claim to be a "prophet" whenever he needed to convince the gullible fools that followed him by saying that "god" or "angels" told him something? Need some money? Tell a halfwit farmer to put his farm up for collateral in the name of "god". Feeling horny? Tell them that "god" told you that polgyamy is "god's will. And on, and on, and on.
StaceyC123 4 months ago
@StaceyC123 You should try listening to lead Mayan archaeologist Dr. Richard Hansen, who happens to be LDS, as he is going to rewrite history. He is actually working IN THE FIELD, and not some pencil pushing hack wannabe.
LDS4Life71 4 months ago
@LDS4Life71
"Rewrite" happens to be the key word here; you brainwashed fools are so desperate to try to come up with something to try to support your fairy tales that you will ignore reality, and that goes for the supposed "historians" who buy into your fairy tales. There is NO credible evidence for any of Smith's lies, and plenty to discredit them.
StaceyC123 4 months ago
@LDS4Life71 Like he'd be the first Mobot to "rewrite history"!!! LOLOLOLOL!
CounterCultureLives 4 months ago
@LDS4Life71 That is a lie. No he isn't. Jesus Christ didn't even write the New Testament. It was men that were inspired by the Holy Ghost. You telling me that the book of mormon is better than the Gospel of Jesus Christ? Paul said he didn't do anything but preach the gospel of Jesus and that is enough to save sinners. Why did we need something new? Jesus died on the cross and arose the 3rd day and that was enough to save me.
summergod27 3 months ago
@summergod27 actually NO it isn't enough.
LDS4Life71 3 months ago
@LDS4Life71 <---------------------believes he needs to pay tithe to a corporation and learn secret handshakes while wearing satans green apron.
endofus 2 months ago
@endofus <--- Says the paid catholic troll paid to post lies all over Youtube
LDS4Life71 2 months ago
@LDS4Life71
I am not paid, but Monsen and his councilors sure get paid a lot.
endofus 2 months ago
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@endofus TRINITY
Here is a scholarly proof of your corrupted, man-made Trinity. The Encyclopedia Americana: "Christianity derived from Judaism and Judaism was strictly Unitarian [believing that God is one person]. The road which led from Jerusalem to Nicaea was scarcely a straight one. Fourth century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was, on the contrary, a deviation from this teaching." -- (1956), Vol. XXVII, p. 294L.)
LDS4Life71 2 months ago
@endofus I hope you'll watch the video I sent ya about the good Catholic priest from spokane, Wa.
LDS4Life71 2 months ago
@LDS4Life71 You know, Temples and pyramids aren't the same thing. Putting an alter on top of it, for ritual human sacrifice, is not a temple. Not a Jewish one, either. And ritual human sacrifice in a Jewish temple is a no-no. Also, why would Mormon walk with 50+ lbs of copper and gold some 6000 miles and bury it in a drumlin w/o a word? and why do all those towns in the east have the names in the BofM? But none of those names are found in S.A.
IExposeMormonism 4 weeks ago
@IExposeMormonism You know you are an idiot. The ritual sacrifice was not always used on all the temples down there. Not all the cities practiced human sacrifice. Only the lamanite ones did.
LDS4Life71 4 weeks ago
@LDS4Life71 Oh, and the pyramids are temples or the alter on the pyramid is the temple or the pyramid is transformed into a temple when it has an alter on top? You guys are looking at pyramids as if they're temples. They're not. Do you believe Mayans and Olmecs didn't practice ritual human sacrifice? They all did.
IExposeMormonism 3 weeks ago
@IExposeMormonism The Nephites did NOT, and the Anti Nephi Lehites stopped and ceased doing it. The prophets whole point was to try get them to stop. and why the LORD commisioned them. The text is in line with their history. There is absolultely no way it was some ingenious invention of a madman calling himself a prophet. LOL
You've have to be self delusional in the face of the evidence verifying the book of Mormon as the American testament for Christ.
LDS4Life71 3 weeks ago
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@IExposeMormonism The Nephites did NOT, and the Anti Nephi Lehites stopped and ceased doing it. The prophets whole point was to try get them to stop. and why the LORD commisioned them. The text is in line with their history. There is absolultely no way it was some ingenious invention of a madman calling himself a prophet. LOL
You've have to be self delusional in the face of the evidence verifying the book of Mormon as the American testament for Christ.
LDS4Life71 3 weeks ago
The Book of Mormon is a volume of holy scripture comparable to the Bible and is a record of God's dealings with His chosen people in the New World. The main purpose of the Book of Mormon is "to the convincing of Jew and Gentile that JESUS is the CHRIST, the ETERNAL GOD, manifesting himself unto all nations." (Book of Mormon Title Page) It was written by ancient American prophets for our day (Mormon 8:35) and is an American testament of the Lord Jesus Christ.
LDS4Life71 4 months ago
@LDS4Life71
Got any evidence for these claims? It reads exactly like I would expect it to read if it was written by a con-man in his 20s whose only exposure to religious fairy tales was a copy of the KJV, and there isn't a SCRAP of actual physical evidence for any of the claims that Smith made.
StaceyC123 4 months ago
@StaceyC123 my whole channel is dedicated to the evidences. I have the up to date map of the book of Mormon lands as it has been mapped out by Dr. John Sorenson archaeology, and anthropology.
LDS4Life71 4 months ago
@LDS4Life71
You may as well have the entire land of Narnia mapped out, since it has as much relation to these fairy tales as Smith's lies do; this con-man changed his story at the drop of a hat (the hat he'd put his "seer" stone into) whenever his lies started to prove inconvenient or he wanted to direct his gullible sheep in a new direction.
StaceyC123 4 months ago
@StaceyC123 yeah and if you believe that then I have a bridge I want to sell. You see they aren't fairy tailes. They are exactly what it claims. The only fairy tailes are in your head. You can't compare Namia with the lands of the book of Mormon. One is fiction and the other is NON fiction. You figure it out.
LDS4Life71 4 months ago
@LDS4Life71
There is EXACTLY as much evidence for Narnia as there is for Smith's imaginary "Israelite colonizers", fool, the only difference is that Narnia was sold as fiction from the outset, and this con-man Smith was lucky enough to find some semi-retarded farmers that were stupid enough to believe his lies. He wrote his fairy tales in the same sort of ancient English that his printing of the KJV was in, and "reformed Egyptian" doesn't even EXIST.
StaceyC123 4 months ago
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@LDS4Life71 *The Book of Mormon is a volume of holy scripture comparable to the Bible* Yes, I know where Jerusalem is. Where is Zarahemla? Where is even the tinyist trace of Hebrew DNA? Horses that predate the Spanish Conquistadors? And what about the Book of Abraham? We can translate Egyptian now, dude. Poor Hugh Nibley went mad defending the thing, and in his madness raped his 5 year old daughter.
eeikman 4 months ago
sorry endofus...that was for LDS4life...
SuperCodeman23 4 months ago
The American Indian is of JEWISH descent??? WHAT self-respecting "Jewish Indian" would have sold Manhattan Island for a paltry $25.00 ??
CounterCultureLives 5 months ago 2
First Timers: The cover of my Book of Mormon was blue, I don't know how to judge "blue". And sure, take some time to read the book. Particularly the parts that are obvious plagarisms from the KJV Bible. The verses have the fingerprints of the KJV transtlators all over them. It's easy to google for : Book of Mormon King James plagarism. The Mormon church has put work and money into positioning their sites show up near the top of google search results, so scroll down a bit.
eeikman 5 months ago
First Timers: Don't judge this book by its cover or by what you might think you know about it. Take some time to read it. We have read it numerous times and are posting topics here to help you as you read. As Herbert Spencer once said, “There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance – that principle is contempt prior to investigation.”
LDS4Life71 5 months ago
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@LDS4Life71 Don't listen to these hateful Anti-Mormons. To learn the TRUTH about The Book of Mormon, here are some websites people should investigate:
Foundation for Archaeological Imaginings for Latter Day Saints: FAIL.D.S.org
Foundation for Omniscient Observations for Latter Day Saints: FOOL.D.S.org
Society for Historically Imagined Lands for Latter Day Saints: SHILL.D.S.org
CounterCultureLives 5 months ago
@LDS4Life71 I have read it, I can tell you for sure that it seems to be plagerized. It does nothing but re-tell the stories of the gospel of matthew, tells of the Jaredites which they claim are jewish american indians, and tell a story of golden tablets that only one guy could read then unfortunately lost. I could believe it a little better if they still had the tablets. Not too mention, the blatent contridictions of the characteristics of Jesus and God from the bible.
SuperCodeman23 4 months ago
@SuperCodeman23 YOu are so full of crap. You know nothing, and have not read it.
LDS4Life71 4 months ago
I love Mormons are trying to prove the BoM by denying the BoM, how dumb can you be.
MrQwertyqwerty12345 5 months ago
@MrQwertyqwerty12345 That's just hateful Anti-Mormon talk. The Book of Mormon is Completely correct........ except when it isn't correct. Our Profits are always correct...... except when they aren't correct.
CounterCultureLives 5 months ago
@endofus
No you are certainly confused, but your Catholic agenda of lies is clear. You go around and spout off lies, because your some paid Catholic operative.
Joseph Smith and the plates were true, and they weighed ONLY about 60lbs, and that burden is manageable to a big kid like Joseph Smith who was no weenie, but I know you are endofus (Pure weenie) NO backbone, and a liar.
LDS4Life71 5 months ago
@LDS4Life71 Mormon forefathers bore their testimonies for a different set of doctrines that are now said to be false by the current LDS church.Some of these doctrines were: Adam as God, polygamy is essential to salvation, blacks will be denied the priesthood until the second comming of Christ, blood atonment and death oaths. If Mormon forefathers testimonies can't be trusted what makes you think yours can be trusted, what makes you better then Joseph Smith and Brigham Young?
endofus 5 months ago
@endofus Hopefully if you become a god after this life, you can be there with Joseph smith and rule a world that don't have REAL christians in it. I truely urge you to read the bible and not the BOM for a while. You may indeed see the differences yourself. It almost sounds like what the devil told them in the garden, take of this and you will become as gods, just depends on which level you'll be a god in. You'll be able to rule over a wonderful section of hell...ole joseph will be there with you
SuperCodeman23 4 months ago
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"the curse" was preserved through the Egyptians (Abraham 1:21) Joseph Smith claimed to be from the tribe of Ephrain, son Joseph who married and had children with his Egyptian wife (Gen 41:50-52). So according to the Book of Abraham, Jospeph Smith would be ineligible to hold the Mormon priesthood!
endofus 5 months ago
This video is GARBAGE, and BILL HAVE ZERO credibility.
LDS4Life71 5 months ago
Mckeever's talks sounds rediculous today in light of all the evidences that support that the book of Mormon took place in meso america, and it was the Mayan descendants who snuffed out the Nephite people. The city of Teotihuacan which means "The place where men become gods."
The temple of the white bearded God, Quetzal did temple sealings and baptisms for the dead, and we'll have the truth in about a month from the archaeologists.
LDS4Life71 5 months ago
@LDS4Life71 Even with any such finding by archaeologists the bogus Book of Mormon remains fraught with enormous credibility issues, many & varied, insurmountable because its historicity is fictitious & fabrication that turns itching ears to fables.
Thomas S. Ferguson who headed up the NWAF into which the LDS church poured & wasted hundreds of thousands of dollars stated "Mormonism is probably the best conceived myth-fraternity to which one can belong... "
BoM alt 3900+ many major - 200 yrs.
Shulamitefire 5 months ago
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@Shulamitefire On the devil-inspired doctrine of the "Trinity"
The deity of Jesus Christ was decided upon by a vote . A few hundred church leaders gathered at Nicea in 325 AD. to vote on the matter. (the vote was loaded, because most of the opposing bishops were either KILLED or EXHILED or excluded!) Representation for the TRUTH about the Godhead was allowed by only a small fraction of those TRUE Christians...we lost the TRUTH then to the pagan trinity of man.
LDS4Life71 5 months ago
@LDS4Life71 I shall wait for you to address the issues I raised in my first post.
Shulamitefire 5 months ago
how can hill camorah be in central america when joseph found the plates at hill camorah in north eastern us? how do they deal with that?
agnostaxian 5 months ago
@agnostaxian There is a span of about thirty years in which Moroni has to travel away from Central America. That is ample time for the LORD to lead Moroni to todays NY.
LDS4Life71 5 months ago
@LDS4Life71 So there is no hill camorah in central america like many in farms think? Many in Farms think that the angel moved the plates from central america to NY, you disagree with that?
agnostaxian 5 months ago
@agnostaxian Yep, but he was yet still a mortal and travelled on foot I reckon.
LDS4Life71 5 months ago
@LDS4Life71 Do you think that if I was there with Joseph Smith when he found the gold plates that I would have seen them? The way Joseph, Oliver and Martin Harris describe the plates, I sometimes think that they were more metaphysical than physical
agnostaxian 5 months ago
@LDS4Life71
Except when the Book of Mormon never mentions Moroni wandering anywhere after the final battle.
endofus 5 months ago
In the Old Testament they took gay people out and stoned them to death for the defile the people of God.
LDS4Life71 7 months ago
Is not ok to be a sinner (period) I'm not gay, but sin lives in me, if I see an attractive man in the street I may lust after him, that makes me an adulterer, n if I see something in someone’s else's I might covenant for it, I’m no different from a gay person. But I have forgiveness, Isaiah 1:18 Jer 31:34. Acts 8:12. Jer 50:20. Daniel 9:9. Mark 2:17. 2:5. Luke 7:48 Luke1:69-77. Acts 5:31 13:38, and on. His quick to forgive.
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
I understand..Its sad really as so many are thrifty and hard working and do lead good lives.
calman1951 7 months ago
Is it true that J.Smith was a known treasure hunter in N.Y.?
calman1951 7 months ago
@calman1951 FAIRLDS.org
for the truth
LDS4Life71 7 months ago
@calman1951 "Is it true that J.Smith was a known treasure hunter in N.Y.?"
I think he was arrested several times for being a con man - FAIRLDS.org won't give you the truth as nobody would join if they knew the actual facts.. Smith started a cult so he could have many wives, take 10% of people's income and have nobody question him. Sounds like a cult to me.
Mormons are so gullible. Despite the many facts that show he was a charlatan, they will still believe. Cult members are like that.
TheSnoopy1750 7 months ago
@TheSnoopy1750 TheSnoopy1750 Repeat after me!! i know i know the church is true. LOL
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
This video is false, and Bill Mckeever is a liar.
LDS4Life71 7 months ago
The Mormons - the only religion more batshit crazy than Scientology.
The Mormon church is mum on the DNA data that proves the Indians are not a lost tribe of Isreal as stated in the Book of Mormon. And the LDS church said they received a new "communication" from God in 1978 saying that blacks could become LDS priests. Are you kidding me? LOL
I can understand people being Mormons from birth as they are indoctrinated early. Only an idiot would convert to this religion - i.e. Glenn Beck.
TheSnoopy1750 7 months ago 2
@TheSnoopy1750 (facepalm) untrue crap. I am so happy and glad I know the truth and see thru all the mudslingling and that the CHURCH of JESUS CHRIST is restored and true.
FAIRLDS.org
for the truth
LDS4Life71 7 months ago
@LDS4Life71 How is he wrong? Specifically.
He is quoting from the BoM directly as well as other Mormon sources.
Believing something does not make it true. Joseph Smith the charlatan wrote a fake book so he could benefit from a cult that lives until this day - that is actually quite impressive. Of course he needed to attract gullible followers, which are easy to find - look at that End of the World guy (Harold Camping) who raised millions from suckers.
TheSnoopy1750 7 months ago
@TheSnoopy1750 Joseph Smith could Not possibly have wrote, copyied it, or any other idiotic idea the shallow anti mormons can come up with. It is an ancient Semitic text and its origin is 600BC till 420AD. There are Many things found within the book of MORMON that joseph Smith or anyone in his day could possibly have known.
You are really a master red herring, but by all means carry on, oh wise one. lol
LDS4Life71 7 months ago
@LDS4Life71 So where's the golden tablets?
There is nothing Smith wrote that could not be made up.
He screwed up writing that the Indians were a lost tribe of Israel among other things. The Mormon church is a profit machine like all cults - I love how they received a new "communication" from God saying it was now OK to let blacks be priests - LOL They had to given racism was a no no.
You can believe whatever you want, but for you to attack those who know Smith was a charlatan is pathetic.
TheSnoopy1750 7 months ago
@TheSnoopy1750 Do you consider yourself a christian?
LDS4Life71 7 months ago
@TheSnoopy1750 You don't know squat about Joseph smith. You are pathetic.
LDS4Life71 7 months ago
@LDS4Life71 You don't need to respond with any more vague unsupported defenses of the Charlatan Joseph Smith.
Everyone knows using logic and facts to argue with a cult member is futile.
Good luck with your delusional beliefs.
TheSnoopy1750 7 months ago
@TheSnoopy1750 Go on then or answer my questions, bigot.
LDS4Life71 7 months ago
@LDS4Life71 Again, you have no fact-based defense for the Charlatan Joseph Smith so you try to move the conversation elsewhere. Classic deflection.
My beliefs are not the issue - your delusion is.
Good luck with your cult!
TheSnoopy1750 7 months ago
@TheSnoopy1750 Jesus Christ is my cult leader, oh fool that builds his foundation on the sand.
You are not born again, and you have not entered the straight gate according to Matt 7.
LDS4Life71 7 months ago
@LDS4Life71 Matt 7?
LOL You do realize a human being wrote that?
Matthew does not know any more than I regarding what happens after we die.
Again, I hope you enjoy your planet. LOL
TheSnoopy1750 7 months ago
@TheSnoopy1750 Oh So you some kind of moronic disbelieving agnostic? YOU need to cry up someone elses tree. Just because you're so narrow minded that as long as it cannot be easily categorized, you won't believe it.
So just because Bigfoot hasn't been officially documented, but thousands of sightings around the world verify it's existence, are you going to sit and refute that too?
LDS4Life71 7 months ago
@TheSnoopy1750 Your trinitarian morphing three headed goo jesus is NOT biblical.
LDS4Life71 7 months ago
@LDS4Life71 I hope you enjoy your own planet in the afterlife.
Classic charlatan - promise something to your gullible sheep that can't be confirmed until one dies - LOL.
TheSnoopy1750 7 months ago
@TheSnoopy1750 Again, moron, It reads AND THE MEED SHALL INHERIT THE EARTH. (NOT ANOTHER)
You sound like you're 12 years old.
LDS4Life71 7 months ago
@LDS4Life71 It sounds like you hate challenges to your obvious and proven delusions.
I am finished - there is no payoff arguing with a delusional cult member.
TheSnoopy1750 7 months ago
@TheSnoopy1750 You atheists are so dumb. It wasn't until couple weeks ago that Egypt had only like a handful of pyramids. You are so gullible it's sickening. Richard Dawkins is a complete tool.
LDS4Life71 7 months ago
@TheSnoopy1750 It is complete idiots like you that take South Park as gospel LoL
LDS4Life71 7 months ago
@TheSnoopy1750 Good. Don't go away mad. Just go away. You really have nothing of substance to add anyhow.
LDS4Life71 7 months ago
@LDS4Life71 I don't mind debating that Mormonism is a cult Joseph Smith made up.
There's proof he was a charlatan as well as DNA proving the BoM is a fraud, not to mention the 1978 "communication" that blacks could now be accepted as priests, Kinderhook plates as well as Young's claim that interracial marriage is punishable by death and will always be so - what happened to that?
You can't defend Mormonism - you just divert to unrelated subjects like Bigfoot and pyramids. LOL
Enjoy your cult.
TheSnoopy1750 7 months ago
@TheSnoopy1750 Hello friend, i see you are having fun with LDS4life? is funny, i had my time with him too, but his blind as a bat. LOL
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
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TheSnoopy1750 7 months ago
@Chinaculiacan Blind as a bat? I was thinking more like as dumb as a bag of hammers. But blind to reality is probably a good description too. LOL
TheSnoopy1750 7 months ago
@TheSnoopy1750 take your lower lip and pull it over your head and swallow. It would be a huge upgrade in your looks. You got nothing of substance. Jesus Christ is my cult leader and the founder of our faith. To be gay is to be socially defective, and disgusting in sin.
LDS4Life71 7 months ago
@LDS4Life71 “To be gay is to be socially defective, and disgusting in sin.” What an example of prejudice this is. Assuming that Jesus Christ existed, he never mentioned anything about homosexuality. Furthermore, imho, there is nothing that labels same sex activity not involving cultic prostitution a sin in the four Mormon volume of scriptures.
jlm2525 7 months ago
@jlm2525 the scriptures are quite clear about homosexuality, and IT is filthyness, and sin.
LDS4Life71 7 months ago
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jlm2525 7 months ago
@LDS4Life71 It is easy to say, “The scriptures are quite clear.” The hard part is answering why Jesus never mentioned anything about homosexuality and showing how these “holy books” are quite plain in that subject. Jesus said nothing on this “serious sin” that you say is important. This Christ mentioned many other “serious offenses”, but completely omitted this particular one. Why?
jlm2525 7 months ago
@jlm2525 The words of the bible were inspired by revelation to the apostles. Read the epistle of Paul to JUDE!
Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gommorrah and the cities about them in the like manner, giving themselves over ot fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of the eternal fire.
What don't you understand?
LDS4Life71 7 months ago
@LDS4Life71 “The words of the bible were inspired by revelation to the apostles.” If we need to follow the epistle to Jude, than we must also obey ALL of Paul’s words like in 1 Corinthians 11:14, “Doeth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair it is a shame unto him?” What about Jesus?
jlm2525 7 months ago
@LDS4Life71 Furthermore, 1 Corinthians 14:34, “Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak.” So some things we follow and other things we do not for whatever reasons (different times, fashions, etc…)! Anyways, I would stick to Jesus’ gospel not Paul’s, and I still insist that your Jesus deity does not mention homosexuality at all!
jlm2525 7 months ago
@jlm2525 Paul was a disciple of Jesus Christ, and an ordained apostles unto Christ making Paul his steward in His absence.
Christ said "Whether by mine own voice, or by the voice of my servants it is the same."
all types of fornication including homosexuality are the fruits of those who will burn in hell. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Repent and come unto Christ.
LDS4Life71 7 months ago
@LDS4Life71 Yes, and make sure that if you’re a man, you have short hair and women don’t speak in church!!!
jlm2525 7 months ago
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jlm2525 7 months ago
@LDS4Life71 And one more thing, the LDS church teaches that Peter not Paul was the steward or head of the church in Jesus’ absence. I feel like I’m wasting my time with someone that picks and chooses what part of the Bible he or she will follow, and is ignorant of his or her religion’s doctrine.
jlm2525 7 months ago
@jlm2525 Paul and Peter and the REST of the TWELVE were stewards. Peter alone wasn't the steward. The entire twelve aposltes had to agree on the church business. But we all know that their apostolic authority was killed off and Constantine was a counterfeit christian, and hence the doctrines which came from the councils of nicea are doctrines of men.
Isaiah 29:13
LDS4Life71 7 months ago
@LDS4Life71 Nice!?! I’m not gonna argue on early Christian leadership with you since to me it’s all mythology just like your BoM. The only people that defend the “historicity” of that sacred book are the dogmatic fairslds and farms organizations, which bring non-peer reviewed data to the table.
jlm2525 7 months ago
@jlm2525 I hope you will one day take a closer look for it is not mythology ,but there are too many things that prove that it is not myth. I know that Jesus Christ lives, and he is the ONLY begotten of our Eternal Father, and that the book of Mormon is true, as is the bible. Both are inspired works, and the holy ghost accompanies readers who humbly ponder it's words and confirming the truth, and teaching us about our purpose here on the earth.
LDS4Life71 7 months ago
@LDS4Life71 This appeal to emotions that you shared with me shows concern, and I appreciate it except that I went through that process a lot of times. Many Christians have a witness of the Holy Ghost when they ponder about their god and they have a confirmation of the “truth” into their hearts. The fact is that all emotional “knowing” comes from the brain, and peer-reviewed biologists, archeologists and Egyptologists have established that both the BoM and the BoA aren’t historical.
jlm2525 7 months ago
@LDS4Life71 Additionally, you’re avoiding addressing both Paul’s opinions on men’s short hair and women speaking in church, and you keep repeating that you know something without providing any peer-reviewed evidence for the historicity of the BoM and the BoA. I’m having a discussion with a circular debater, which is a waste of time!!!
jlm2525 7 months ago
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jlm2525 7 months ago
@LDS4Life71 . Additionally, the BoA has huge discrepancies with mainstream Egyptology. To be fair, your Jesus Christ deity has NO contemporary historical evidence, something utterly absurd from The Son Of God, the biggest miracle maker and large crowd gatherer. My conclusion is that this historical figure is in reality a mythological character.
jlm2525 7 months ago
@LDS4Life71 The council of Nicea was convened to defend against heresy such as Arianism. Do you know that Mormonism is Arian? As you should know the lesser Mormon Jesus is not the uncreated Creator of all creation that Christians follow. Arians believed that Christ's spirit was created like every anti-Christ Mormon. So, please, cease spewing your sewage that your church pours through you & yours concerning Christians & their creeds. What do you think your articles of faith are if not creeds?
Shulamitefire 5 months ago
@Shulamitefire The Jews were first polytheistic then they shifted to henotheism then later into monotheism in the context of thier Babylonian captivity. In this CONTEXT it was the practice of the time in Babylon to have a community altar to put all the IDOLS which were "FORMED" (of wood/silver/gold) on this altar..Jehovah's idol also was put on this altar. Jehovah said that this should not be the case to put "BEFORE" HIM these FALSE gods.
That is the context. FALSE gods
LDS4Life71 5 months ago
@LDS4Life71 ✔ RED HERRING.
Shulamitefire 5 months ago
@Shulamitefire You are LIP SERVICE. I SHALL UNZIP MY PANTS
LDS4Life71 5 months ago
@LDS4Life71 ★ Wow! ★ You really are a massively mormonized mormoniac manifesting in our midst !
Do you regularly manifest like this when you have stepped into a discussion/debate that is over your head ?
? What if Joe or Tommy could see your diabolos of mormonosis now... ? Wouldest they give thee a wink or a walloping... ?
Shulamitefire 5 months ago
@Shulamitefire That is the best silly excuse of a rebuttle you got? sheesh. I can see you not in my league. NEXT!
LDS4Life71 5 months ago
@LDS4Life71 BoM describes a civilization lasting for a thousand years, covering both North and South America, which was familiar with horses, elephants, cattle, sheep, wheat, barley, steel, wheeled vehicles, shipbuilding, sails, coins, and other elements of Old World culture. But no trace of any of these very common things has ever been found . Nor does the Book of Mormon mention many of the features of the civilizations which really did exist at that time in the Americas
endofus 5 months ago
@LDS4Life71
Moroni carried the 250 LB (based on the dims Smith gave of the plates and we know what the weight of gold is) on his Tapier? (i.e small timid nocturnal creature the size of a dog which was supposed to be a horse) 4000 miles but makes not mention of it.
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endofus 5 months ago
@endofus You don't have any idea of the weight of the plates. They didn't weight but around 60lbs. They weren't pure gold, but had the appearance of gold. It is a metal alloy. Native Americans have an word for the alloy called TUMBAGA. Google it.
LDS4Life71 5 months ago
@LDS4Life71 You can tell that one has no fact-based argument when they make ad hominem attacks like you just did.
With your ignorant gay comments, you also illustrated the intolerance and bigotry of Mormons.
You still have the choice to leave the cult of Mormonism but you are likely too indoctrinated to do so.
TheSnoopy1750 7 months ago
@TheSnoopy1750 You need to turn away from filthiness and sin. To be gay is NOT godlike. repent and come unto the true Jesus Christ.
LDS4Life71 7 months ago
@LDS4Life71 So I guess that's why the Mormon church thinks it can deny gays the legal right to marry. The LDS church spent $25MM to support Prop 8 as it's a bigoted organization started by a charlatan.
Do you believe Brigham Young when he said that interracial marriage is punishable by death and this will always be so?
Mormons hate blacks and gays. Yeah, this is a religious cult that I want to belong to. LOL
TheSnoopy1750 7 months ago
@TheSnoopy1750 Actually major religions are against gay marriage, not just LDS. There are quite a few that line up to stop gay marriage. how do you feel about that?
While you're at it, read
Jude 1:1, and you can see how God will treat gays.
LDS4Life71 7 months ago
@LDS4Life71 Gee, if other religious organizations are bigoted, it must be OK.
Your stupidity never ceases to amaze. LOL
TheSnoopy1750 7 months ago
@TheSnoopy1750 Tis not ok to be Gay!
LDS4Life71 7 months ago
@TheSnoopy1750 I shall continue to say it loud, and proud. IT IS NOT OK TO BE GAY!
LDS4Life71 7 months ago
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TheSnoopy1750 7 months ago
@TheSnoopy1750 When informed that a black Mormon in Massachusetts had married a white woman, Brigham Young told the apostles in December 1847 that he would have both of them killed 'if they were far away from the Gentiles.'"(The Mormon Hierarchy: Extensions of Power, Vol. 2, pages 246-247) ..I think when he reads this, maybe he'll get the point of what u are talking about.
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
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TheSnoopy1750 7 months ago
@TheSnoopy1750 I hear you
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
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TheSnoopy1750 7 months ago
@TheSnoopy1750 IAssumed so, No worries, you are going to be call and ani-christ, or a lier, but they can't say is not church history, they can't proof it wrong, because it's written , and leaders won't tell them because it could damege their faith, and they'll stop giving their 10% and that could hurt the walls, they won't be able to buy more fancy floors and more pictures of Joseph Smith.
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
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TheSnoopy1750 7 months ago
@TheSnoopy1750 LOL i still hear you. Me, not a mormon
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
@LDS4Life71 What do you care what any rational person thinks about the fraudulent LDS cult?
After all, you get your own planet after death if you are a good Mormon. That is your reward for mindlessly obeying the cult leaders and giving 10% of your income to them.
Talk about gullible!
TheSnoopy1750 7 months ago
@TheSnoopy1750 That's me. oh so gullible. lol
LDS4Life71 7 months ago
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@LDS4Life71 "Jesus Christ is my cult leader and the founder of our faith. "
The scary part is that you actually don't realize that the charlatan Joseph Smith is the founder of your delusional faith. Your leader was a known con man. Jesus was known to have lived 2,000 years ago - there were no sightings of Jesus by anyone at the time of Joseph Smith except, you guessed it, Joseph Smith. Where are the golden tablets?
How does it feel to be so gullible?
TheSnoopy1750 7 months ago
@LDS4Life71 Even if Mormonism was not a complete fraud, who wants to belong to an organization that is outwardly hostile toward gays to such an extent that the LDS church would spend $25MM supporting Prop 8 in California to prevent people from marrying?
Intolerance and bigotry is not a virtue. I guess since the LDS church can no longer discriminate against blacks, the gays are the next best thing.
What a disgusting cult.
TheSnoopy1750 7 months ago
@TheSnoopy1750 I am so proud a Mormon that knows the truth. You got nothing.
LDS4Life71 7 months ago
@TheSnoopy1750 Jesus Christ is my cult leader. The apostles of Jesus Christ were called a cult too in their day. Go figure!
LDS4Life71 7 months ago
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@LDS4Life71 "I am so proud a Mormon that knows the truth. You got nothing."
Quite a persuasive argument - lol.
TheSnoopy1750 7 months ago
@TheSnoopy1750 talk about disgusting. Go look into the mirror. You are nasty.
LDS4Life71 7 months ago
@TheSnoopy1750 You sound like you're twelve years old.
LDS4Life71 7 months ago
@LDS4Life71
The gold plates were not actually gold huh? talk about a total lack of doctrinal clarity in the LDS, thanks for poving how absurd the story is :)
endofus 5 months ago
Jesus the mediator, Ephesians 2:13-18 but now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ, (the shading NOT sweating). For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of two, thus making peace, and this one body reconcile both of them to God
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
I love how I make a comment proving that certain native American populations, including the Hopewell Indians, have the haplogroup X DNA, which comes from the middle east, and I get all these inflammatory comments from anti-Mormons. I don't mind...It doesn't shake my testimony of Jesus Christ and truth of the Book of Mormon.
joshualindsay3 7 months ago
Gordon B Hincley. AS a church we have critics, many of them, they say we don’t believe in the traditional Christ of Christianity; there is some substance to what they say. Our faith and knowledge, is NOT based on ancient tradition, our faith our knowledge comes from the witness of the prophet in this dispensation, Dispensation? what it means is that the doctrine is on the prophet, not what Jesus said in the old and new testament. lol
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
Besides his assertion that the Book of Mormon was far superior to the Bible, he charged that the Bible had been changed by "Ignorant translators, careless transcribers, or designing and corrupt priests... " (History of the Church, vol. 6, page 57) Oh please, Your prophet Jose was nothing but an arragant womenizer and a pedophile. The book of Mormon is not true, and no archeological evidence is found to support it. (period)
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
I now see why the mormons are constantly editing their scriptures.
BasicInsB4LvingEarth 7 months ago
I choose to glorify god, not no lehi, nephi, joe smith or other new prophets. God. he is our creater and father. To try and take away his glory or share it is not right or christien in my opinion. Coming from a mormon family, i know they glorify prophets just as much, or sometimes more than god himself. And they call themselves christien?...... God speaks to me no less than he would an apostle, he communicates to me in his own speciel way as i do him.
dirtypossem 8 months ago
Search in Youtube Hopewell Indians DNA and you will find they have up to 50% of the population has Haplogroup X, which is the DNA from the middle east. This is irrefutable evidence that the ancestors of the Hopewell Indians came from the middle east.
joshualindsay3 8 months ago
@joshualindsay3 I just did. And what I found is that the population that the Hopewell Indians had compared to the Nephites is way off!
Doorsfreak128 8 months ago
@joshualindsay3
Second, comparisons between the mtDNA from individuals from the Hopewell site and a database of mtDNA from groups from all over the world, demonstrated that these ancient Native Americans shared close ties with Asia – especially, China, Korea, Japan, and Mongolia. This offers strong support for the already well-supported conclusion that Native Americans originated in Asia and migrated to the Americas in the past 15,000 years.
endofus 8 months ago
@joshualindsay3 All of man kind will have DNA "matching" stretching back to Noah and days of Adam and Eve. DNA testing for Native Americans linking them to Hebrews of the period, has been proven false. This argument is pathetic and desperate. Find another cult that has their facts straight.
BasicInsB4LvingEarth 7 months ago