The tory's have already said they will keep surestart. The only tax credits that are being taken away are ones to Rich parents earning a fortune so does not affect the poor or working class. Typical Labour they have no policies so make false allegations about the Conservatives or Liberals. Labour should be sued for libel, oh and of course there is the lie to go to war.
Haha, I can't wait for the Tories to launch their poster campaigns during the next election. They won't even need to pay Saatchi & Saatchi to come up with sloganS, Gordon's already done it for them...
nu labour are nothing more than a corrupt, disgraced and discredited byword for all that is sick, broken and deformed in our once beautiful country
make no mistake, we will not stop until we have cleansed every last trace of this evil regime from our history
by whatever means necessary labour will be toppled - I'm looking forward to the dawn of a new era in British politics free from the scum and filth that has infested these islands since 1997
I am not a supporter of the tory party and they will not win a second term in 2015 so what cameron thinks is irrelevant to the long term future of this country
I was born under the Tories, my mother was a single parent and working class. I am a law graduate that left my country for America rather than pay Brown's taxes and live in a crime, scum and immigrant infested Britain. Labour welfare and socialism only helps the lazy, unintelligent and dregs of society that can't and won't help themselves. Lower taxes for working people, rather than welfare for scum.
I love to respond to morons like you that do not seem to have the intellectual capacity to distinguish a culturally white, English speaking emigrant, with an education and money, like myself and the sorts of immigrants and asylum seekers that this Labour government have allowed in. If they actually do speak English, they do jobs that pay very little and thus, pay less tax to the exchequer than they receive back in services and benefits. I am all for immigrant doctors etc but not poor immigrants
When immigrants earn low wages, they are helping to increasing the profit margins of their employers and ergo, improving the productivity rate for the national economy. For someone who is quick to insult others for their supposed lack of intellectual capability, you have a suspect grasp of basic economics.
What is the point of those industries that you speak of when they are foreign owned, foreign staffed and facilitate a drop in the going rate for the jobs in question, because they employ cheap immigrant labour. Of course you will say that these companies pay taxes but let us not forget that these taxes go to service the cost (public services and benefits) of the very immigrant workforces that makes the company. Therefore everyone gains except if they happen to be British. Typical Labour.
It is untrue to say that the proceeds of immigrant labour merely service the cost of their presence in the UK. The statistics show that foreign born workers are net contributors to the economy and would leave the country poorer still, should they be repatriated.
"Tony Blair promised in 1999 that the Government would reduce the number of poor children in Britain from 3.4m to 1.7m by 2010, and then eradicate the problem completely a decade later.
But that goal is nowhere near being met as an estimated 3m children are still living below the breadline, and over the past two years the number in relative poverty has actually increased."
LABOUR peers are prepared to accept fees of up to £120,000 a year to amend laws in the House of Lords on behalf of business clients, a Times investigation has found.
Four peers — including two former ministers — offered to help undercover reporters posing as lobbyists obtain an amendment in return for cash.
Two of the peers were secretly recorded telling the reporters they had previously secured changes to bills going through parliament to help their clients
"the tories never said they were going to save the world!" Neither did Labour. That was a slip of the tongue, and it's pathetic that you try to make it out to be anything more than that. We never said unemployment was a price worth paying. The Tories did. And Id rather have box-ticking PC bullshit than hatred, bigotry and predjudice that you lot espouse. It was the Tories who gave us Enoch Powell (who Cameron had a very civilised friendly meal with) and who opposed civil partnerships.
"i 'll contact u on yooutube when unemployment is more than 3 million. have u been in a coma for the last year? the country is fucked!"
I suppose you were in a coma for 18 years-from 1979 to 1997. It wouldn't be the first time we had 3million unemployed would it? And at least labour are trying to stop that from happening, whilst the Tories not only allowed it to (and would again) but actually purposefully drove up unemployment, and then cut unemployment benefit.
And the country is not fucked. I know the Tories like to play down Britain (Broken Britain and all that) but we've been through worse than this before. And the Tories are "change we can believe in"? Obama is a left-wing liberal who is following essentially the same economic policy as Gordon Brown. He described Cameron as a "lightweight". An old Etonian Thatcherite who advised Norman Lamont and has spent most of his career as a spin doctor is not change we can believe in.
And yes Brown should have been more prepared. But theres no point in saving money in the good times if you aren't going to spend it in the bad times in order to help people suffering the reccession. If we'd have had the Tories in power they would have not spent anything on public services etc, saved money and then still done nothing to provide help to people in the reccession now. We need to spend money now to help people. Brown is willing to do that. The Tories arent, & never have been before.
you are missing the point, it;s the fact tha there is no money to spend, there was no piggy bank for a rainyday! of course we had sink all that money into the banks, but the fact that we have to borrow it all to do so as we haven't saved any money! they have said exactley what they would do, cameron said in question time what he would do, stop perpetrating this tories would do nothing, they have said many times!
Yes we have to borrow. But no-one thought "lets not spend money on the NHS, lets save it for when there's a recession 5 years from now". No-one saw a recession, of this magnitude, coming. And as for the banks, we'll make money back, in fact make a profit, when the economy recovers because the money we invested in the banks when shares were at their lowest. In a reccession you ahve to borrow money, because the private sector isn't and because you need to raise money without raising tax.
yes because brown had thought he had ended boom and bust, i hope we all learn that this is never going to happen. If you taxed less, there would be less money needed to borrow, as your spending plan would be smaller, and there would be more business's, which equals more tax (look at Ireland's tax model, they lowered tax and ended up getting more), the economy is more productive, as the public sector doesn't generate wealth. being less in debt, would mean we could borrow more.
Again, the number of small businesses has been at its highest level ever under Labour, under the times of high tax, so your argument is clearly wrong. If you SPEND less then you need to borrow less, but then you have poor public services, as we had under the Tories. The public sector doesn't generate wealth IF all the wealth-generating industries are privatised. And I don't think Ireland is the best example to use. Are you going to quote Iceland as a great economic model next?
and invariably sipping champagne at the time..when will people get it..socialism died in the 80s..Thatcher killed it..if you said socialism to Brown he'd foam at the mouth..that loony left basket case derek hatton is now a capitalist..you couldn't make it up..but it just proves what i've always thought...they all get there in the end!!!!
BRILLIANT. Ignore all the ignorant Tory BASTARDS who only care about how much they'll be taxed, not thinking about all those who'll be made unemployed and won't get new jobs under Cameron's policy of poverty, unemployment and economic stagnation. Great job.
"low tax=more economic groeth=more kobs u retard!"
Wow, that was so illiterate I could barely make it out. If that's the case then why have unemployment rates been consistently the lowest they've ever been under Labour, whilst we had 3 million unemployed under Thatcher? Not to mention the destruction of our manufacturing industry (which has really fucked us over now), 246 hospital closures, Black Wednesday and the highest child poverty rate in the dev. world? Check your facts.
First off all, the new jobs created (about 1.2 million have been taken up by immigrants and half of them are non-jobs in the inefficient public sector, everything from your lesbian outreach officer to banana-angle measurer), we've probably had a brown every-day-of-the-week now, the poverty gap has only increased under labour, unemployed is 2.1 million and it will have reached over 3 million by this time next year,
manufacturing out put has been at its lowest 6 months ago, lower than back in the last recession, labour destroyed our financial sector!!! U fucking check your stats, u zanulabour fuck!! there will be a major backlash against labour for the next 2 decades like the tories got. Brown's name will worse than lady thatchers ever was or will be. Labour have had 11 years in office to sort this out, they have full blame and responsability for this cock up. they only have themselves to blame!
"manufacturing out put has been at its lowest 6 months ago"
Yes, manufacturing has been steadily decreasing since 1992 as a result of the shift towards the fre market system. But it was the Tories who destroyed it irreparably, and who changed the system so that manufacturing couldn't survive in this country due to globalisation and the free market system. That's not an argument.
Yet ANOTHER homophobic Tory! No wonder Alan Duncans been demoted for of a man that doesnt agree with Tory policy. You can't possibly encourage gay rights can you! The poverty gap has narrowed. Fact. The number of people in extreme poverty has decreased. Fact. And Brown is doing everything he can to stop unemployment and prevent it from becoming long-term (which the Tories oppose and is the opposite of what they did in the 80s and 90s). Labour never said "unemployment is a price worth paying".
yet ANOTHER labour communist! One of the good things about the tories is that meritocracy is used, unlike the box ticking bullshit PC carp u lot do. yes its all very well throwing more money at the poor in forms of beneit, not actually creating real jobs and real sustainable forms of wealth. and the tories never said they were going to save the world! i 'll contact u on yooutube when unemployment is more than 3 million. have u been in a coma for the last year? the country is fucked!
"Labour have had 11 years in office to sort this out, they have full blame and responsability for this cock up."
I think you'll find that the reccession was caused by the American bankers on Wall Street. That's why it's happening all over the world, not just in Britain.
"its all very well throwing more money at the poor in forms of beneit, not actually creating real jobs and real sustainable forms of wealth"
Under Labour we've had the lowest unemployment levels on record.
yes we've established that they have increased jobs, but half of them are non-jobs on the goverment payroll and the rest have been taken up by immigrants. we've established it is an american problem but through gordon's claim of banishing boom and bust, left us unprepared for what us intelligent people know, the bust that is coming. you can't polish a turd, the economy is fucked because of gorgons policies that have left in a crap position, that is why the pound is so low.
The pound was at its lowest in 1985 under Thatcher, and was devalued again in '92 when Cameron was advising Norman Lamont. And the lower value of the pound, whilst meaning those going on ski-ing holidays at the moment (Alan Duncan) are paying more, isn't a huge problem.
The Tories would do nothing. What is their big pan exactly? Cutting apprenticeships and closing jobcentres just as unemployment rises. Not putting any money into the economy at all. Letting the recession "run it's course", as one Tory MP said. They have a few gimmicks which would make no difference in reality. Every attempt to save jobs and businesses by the govt has been opposed by the Tories. All they talk about is govt debt and cutting taxes 3 years from now. No help for now though.
u acuse the tories of shortterminism, yet u only care about now? they said they would guarentee all bank loans, and labour pinched a very dodgy version of it. The labour goverment are the king of gimmicks, and headline scoring. The goverment are just innefficient in what what they spend, they don't get much 'bang for their buck' do they? just like the NHS.
don't tell me the vat reduction ever worked, they would have been better spending that 12.5 billion on reducing income tax and national insurance. jsut innefficient, just like the civil service is inefficient with money, thats why we need tories with experience in private companies, cos if they don't do well they get the sack.
the VAT reduction saves the average family on low wages 250 pounds a year. That may not seem like much to Cameron who has £30,000,000 in the bank, but to those on min wage (which the Tories opposed) it does make a difference. It puts £12bn into the economy and reduces the price of pretty much everything.
I didn't accuse the Tories of short-termism. And I don't only care about now, I care about the millions of people who are losing their jobs and homes, the businesses going bust, the people becoming homeless. And if short-term unemployment is allowed to become long-term then there are serious social, aswell as economic, consequences. Failing to act now will have serious consequences for the future.
yes failing to act now will cause problems, no-ones disputing that, but that fact that we are in this situation because we were nearly bankrupt before we got into this situation and the handling of the economy since 1997, has left us in a shit position. this gross misconduct must not be forgotten at the polling station. you can't tell me that they have fucked up by the way of policys for small business's, they were taxed to fuck and barely coping before the recession.
Under Labour 600,000 small businesses have been created as opposed to thousands going bust under the Tories. "failing to act now will cause problems, no-ones disputing that"-the Tories are disputing that. They talk about debt and tax rises, and their policies for 3 years in the future, but neglect the tiny problem of the recession. Cameron as advisor to Lamont in 92 did nothing to help people then, and he'd do the same now. They let people go to the wall, and thats what I call gross misconduct.
The 600,000 figure is from the CBI. I've read the Tory website-the very first economic policy you see is raising the inheritance tax threshold to £1,000,000. I'm sure that'll be very helpful to people suffering from the recession. Please enlighten me, what would the Tories do to prevent unemployment? To drive DOWN unemployment (for a change)? To help people in poverty? Why did they oppose raising the weekly pensions allowance, the winter fuel payments, and child tax credits?
At the polling station you have to think: do we want to vote in the people who gave us 2 recessions, 20% inflation, the highest levels of unemployment since the 30s, 15% interest rates, the poll tax, Section 28, Black Wednesday and the pound at its lowest value ever? The people who want to close hospitals and schools, the people who opposed the minimum wage, who would have done nothing in this recession? If you're going to vote out a govt youd better make sure the ppl you vote in are better.
i shall be thinking and many other people will be thinking, illegal war in iraq, over 3 million in employment (will happen this year), money wasted on id cards, knife crime, social problems (crime and illiteracy) from broken families fueled by denefits,lack of civil liberties, squandering money on failed computer projects,inneficent spend of money on schools,still have of pupils are illiterate, housing boom and bust (lack of regulation because of greed of stamp duty),gereal bungling of everthing
These social problems are a result of people leaving school in the early 80s or 90s and signing on the dole because there was no work, and there was no work for years. It's not Labour's fault. Crime and illiteracy have both fallen under Labour. Social problems were not caused by Labour. They were there before and its better now. You obviously don't remember the social problems of the early 80s, the "class war", all the riots? We don't have that now. Knife crime, whilst awful, is still very rare
"we need tories with experience in private companies, cos if they don't do well they get the sack."
Like Cameron's deregulation advisor, who worked for Severn Trent, who was fined for lying to regulators? Like the Tory City fat cats, including Cameron's father, who gambled everyone's money and got us into this mess? And also, with regards to your VAT comment, Ken Clark, former chancellor and Tory Business Secretary, supports the VAT cut. Maybe the Tories should listen to him.
yes and maybe they should listen to his sill views on europe aswell. maybe milliband should have taken over. Those Nulabour fat cats in banks can't be blamed because it was the way gordon brown setup deregulation without the boe being in the loop with the bank of england . It was the way gordon brown deregulated the system caused this problem. What about gorgons fat-cat chum Myners, the hadge fund he was in charge of made loads from the collapse of northern rock.
What world are you living in? These people lied to their customers, offering them loans and mortgages when they knew they'd never be able to pay them back, and got paid obscene amounts of money for doing so. Are you saying that they have no self control? That they aren't responsible for their own actions? It's deregulation thats to blame, not the bankers themselves? Ridiculous. Bankers are people too, and they're responsible for their own actions.
It was Thatcher who started deregulation. Remember 1986? The Big Bang? She created the free market economy of privatisation and deregulation forcing socialist Old Labour, whose economic policies were designed to stop this sort of thing happening, to become New Labour and embrace deregulation, if we ever wanted to get elected again. This woul dnever have happened if it wasn't for Thatcher and Reagan. Labour argued with her about this throughout the 80s, warned that this would happen, to no avail
still, labour has been in charge for 11 years so its their fault, deregulation is not a dirty word, it is how it is deregulated and what is replaced instead-labour have cocked that one up.
Yes, but virtually everyone's been following the same policies on the free market and allowing the banks to do whatever they want over the past 15 years or so. And the problems really started in America, the problem was the American banks had bought out some of our banks, or amalgamated with them, so what they were doing over there fucked us over here in Britain.
"labour has been in charge for 11 years so its their fault" - Are you saying that if the Conservatives were in charge and had carried on deregulating the market we'd have been immune from the global down turn and while every single other country in the world is in recession we'd be completely fine?
look at australia, they have more room for manoeuvre because they have howard, a fiscal conservative for 10 or so years. It is about HOW you deregulate.
And the Tories supported Iraq. They'd have done exactly the same. They aren't offering change-they're offering to drag us back into the days of Thatcher, of poverty and a government that looks after the rich and punishes the poor. They're a bunch of right-wing, backward bigots who ripped this country apart before, and they'd do it again if they got the chance.
drag back to the days of thatcher, you mean prosperity? are you trying to say capitalism is not the best wealth generator? here is the economic history of the labour party
callahan=recession and IMF bailout and winter of discontent
History of the Tory party: Opposing social reforms including unemployment benefits and pensions. Opposing the NHS. Opposing the introduction of social welfare and anti-poverty measures. The 3 day week. 3 million unemployed. The pound falling to its lowest level ever,20% inflation for 2 years&15% interest rates. 2 recessions in a 9 year period&the Poll Tax. Black Wednesday. Opposing the minimum wage. Opposing help to people suffering from the recession.
The Tories are utter hypocrites. They are happy to claim responsibility for everything good that happened under Labour, saying it's down to Thatcher, but then blame Labour when it all goes wrong. As Costello said: "She took all the glory and none of the shame" (Margaret Thatcher)
Zanu labour are utter hypocrites. They are happy to make bold assertions like they 'ended boom and bust', then blame the tories when it all goes wrong. Also they are jumping on the Obama bandwagon, which will be fun as they supported Bush. Hmm, hypocracy?
Brown said he'd ended boom and bust, but no-one else really believed it. And as for Bush, they supported him because he was the American President. You can't not support the American president. The Tories supported him aswell. Labour are much more idealogically aligned with Obama than the Tories, who are also trying to jump on the Obama bandwagon. Michael Gove said that both the Tories and Obama are representative of the progressive opposition against the establishment. Which made me laugh.
yes, no-one in his party told him to keep some money back for a rainy day did they. The tories and obama do have similarities, they want to reduce goverment waste, reduce goverment size. we need change as much as america did. Labour can't offer anything new, they are stagnant and the country is paying for it. By the way, fance and germany managed not to get into iraq.
Bush was a neo-conservative, just like Cameron. He looked after the rich whilst neglected the poor, just like Cameron. I don't think you can really compare Brown to Bush. Obama is following the same fiscal stimulus policy that Brown is following, and recognises the need to save jobs and work towards ending poverty. Cameron simply doesn't care about these things. He has conflicting ideology and policy to Obama, & Obama thinks he's a "lightweight".
bush and brown were both fiscally irresponsible. i he was that arsed about jobs, why hasn't he got rid of NI? thats a tax on jobs. Why is britain one of the highest taxed country? obama may think cameron is a lightweight, but he probably thinks brown is deadweight.
Brown is the first European leader Obama has called. He obviously doesn't think he's a deadweight, especially since he's following his policy. And the Thatcher years were years of prosperity? For some maybe. For the bankers and the accountants and the shareholders. If you happened to work in a factory or down a mine or in a hospital or a school or something useful like that then they weren't so prosperous. Prosperity. Proves Tories don't live in the real world.
"reduce goverment size" - Last I heard is that he's going to be spending over $600 billion, doesn't sound like the actions of a small government to me.
"they are stagnant" - So stagnant that they've renewed or refurbished 200 hospitals in the past couple of years and have started the massive Building Schools for the Future project that will be building hundreds of schools across the UK to give children a better education as well as provide thousands of jobs to the construction sector?
if u bothered to pay attention to US politics, it means reducing the size, thus saving money. The goverment likes to throw money at things, they are not efficient in how they spend it, maybe thats why they previously work in the public service as they couldn't hack it in the private sector. google richard rose central academy, see how making a lovely new academy has reduced the quality of 2 schools by merging them into one big fuck up, all at extra cost to you and me.
As for your comments about capitalism, I should point out that 8/10 people in the world are in poverty. Capitalism hasn't done much for them. Capitalism is great at generating wealth for the few at the expense of everyone else. And America has essentially no welfare system, and no free health service. They have 1 of the world's largest gaps between the rich and poor. They dont spend on an NHS, but spend more than the rest of the world combined on defence.
capitalism is purest for of meritocracy. the reason why they are poor is for many reasons, not just capitalism. I bet they don't complain when capitalism is paying for their medicine and food. Look at mugabe's socialist country, it used to be the bread basket of southern africa, then they socialised thefarming industry, now it is good and properly fucked. !
Why is health care a born right? How do you explain the fact that the US has the best health care in the world? the reason why america is the most productive and innovative country as it is more capitalist. Capitalism drives progress, look at the space race between the ussr and the US. you probably believe that Say's law works.
NHS is still shit, so is education, so is the civil service, so that shows just because you throw money at a problem doesn't solve the problem.
My favourite thing labour did was to give GP's bonus's to improve, they fucked that up as GP's were doing exactly the same as before-no changein service/results, and ended up getting payed more. utter useless bastards. the phrase here is a fool and his money are soon parted.
"Capitalism drives progress, look at the space race between the ussr and the US." - I think you'll find that the space race was funded almost completely by the governments.
"they supported Bush." - They supported Bush on the war in Iraq, but have a lot more similarities with Obama. In fact, Obama is going to be pulling troops out of Iraq and putting them into Afghanistan just as Labour have planned to do.
What a horrific video..sounds very much like a champagne socialist.
The sooner we get rid of this joke of a PM who is saddling the country with a trillion pound's worth of debt, who savaged millions of his own voters by getting rid of the 10p tax band..and why did he do that? for his own benefit..to outwit the tories..what a horrible man he must be to do that..his ministers are incompetent and we're being taxed to the hilt..Labour isn't working..AGAIN!!
I didn't notice the Tories opposing it, or promising to abolish it...and it was Brown who established it in the first place. He also gave us the minimum wage (which the Tories, incl Cameron opposed) and 100 new hospitals. Aswell as the lowest levels of poverty and unemployment in British history.
as well as a trillion pound's worth of debt to look forward to..as well as savaging millions of his own by getting rid of the 10p tax band..as well as countless stealth taxes on the public..as well as promising he had ended boom and bust..what a farce and what a fraud he is! With every single LAB govt since 1930 unemployment is always higher than when they came in!! and don't look to Brown for socialiam..he'd foam at the mouth if you said that word..his love-in with thatcher must have killed you
so very very true VOTE LABOUR
abominableangel 1 year ago
The tory's have already said they will keep surestart. The only tax credits that are being taken away are ones to Rich parents earning a fortune so does not affect the poor or working class. Typical Labour they have no policies so make false allegations about the Conservatives or Liberals. Labour should be sued for libel, oh and of course there is the lie to go to war.
ThePAULOPABLO 1 year ago
What a load of bullshit. Gordon the most financially stupid person who ever lived.
ThePAULOPABLO 1 year ago
The Tories wouldn't dare use the British Jobs for British Workers slogan.
AndrewBenMcKay 2 years ago
Haha, I can't wait for the Tories to launch their poster campaigns during the next election. They won't even need to pay Saatchi & Saatchi to come up with sloganS, Gordon's already done it for them...
"NO RETURN TO BOOM AND BUST"
"BRITISH JOBS FOR BRITISH WORKERS"
Labour are dead for at least a generation.
Mikesev 2 years ago 4
@Mikesev Yeah, and " we have no plans to increase taxes ", so what about the 155 stealth taxes they've introduced !!
audimanpov 1 year ago
If we were only given the chance to go back to then.....
jollyboble 2 years ago
nu labour are nothing more than a corrupt, disgraced and discredited byword for all that is sick, broken and deformed in our once beautiful country
make no mistake, we will not stop until we have cleansed every last trace of this evil regime from our history
by whatever means necessary labour will be toppled - I'm looking forward to the dawn of a new era in British politics free from the scum and filth that has infested these islands since 1997
WeAreTheBrits 3 years ago
mate, surely even you can see that David Cameron beleives in nothing? he has no vision or conviction. hes a media politican.
NaMgKCa 3 years ago
I am not a supporter of the tory party and they will not win a second term in 2015 so what cameron thinks is irrelevant to the long term future of this country
WeAreTheBrits 3 years ago
Labour are corrupt? What about the Tories claiming for duck houses?
AndrewBenMcKay 2 years ago
@AndrewBenMcKay What about Lord Mandelson getting the party chairman to pay his mortgage for him.
ThePAULOPABLO 1 year ago
favourited. I subscribed.
NaMgKCa 3 years ago
I was born under the Tories, my mother was a single parent and working class. I am a law graduate that left my country for America rather than pay Brown's taxes and live in a crime, scum and immigrant infested Britain. Labour welfare and socialism only helps the lazy, unintelligent and dregs of society that can't and won't help themselves. Lower taxes for working people, rather than welfare for scum.
britishjohn04 3 years ago
I love idiots like you. " I hate immigrants so I emigrated". You became the thing you hate numb nuts!
JOCKSONOFJOCK 3 years ago
I love to respond to morons like you that do not seem to have the intellectual capacity to distinguish a culturally white, English speaking emigrant, with an education and money, like myself and the sorts of immigrants and asylum seekers that this Labour government have allowed in. If they actually do speak English, they do jobs that pay very little and thus, pay less tax to the exchequer than they receive back in services and benefits. I am all for immigrant doctors etc but not poor immigrants
britishjohn04 3 years ago
When immigrants earn low wages, they are helping to increasing the profit margins of their employers and ergo, improving the productivity rate for the national economy. For someone who is quick to insult others for their supposed lack of intellectual capability, you have a suspect grasp of basic economics.
Isleden 3 years ago
What is the point of those industries that you speak of when they are foreign owned, foreign staffed and facilitate a drop in the going rate for the jobs in question, because they employ cheap immigrant labour. Of course you will say that these companies pay taxes but let us not forget that these taxes go to service the cost (public services and benefits) of the very immigrant workforces that makes the company. Therefore everyone gains except if they happen to be British. Typical Labour.
britishjohn04 3 years ago
It is untrue to say that the proceeds of immigrant labour merely service the cost of their presence in the UK. The statistics show that foreign born workers are net contributors to the economy and would leave the country poorer still, should they be repatriated.
Isleden 3 years ago
nu labour.........BROKEN PROMISE
"Tony Blair promised in 1999 that the Government would reduce the number of poor children in Britain from 3.4m to 1.7m by 2010, and then eradicate the problem completely a decade later.
But that goal is nowhere near being met as an estimated 3m children are still living below the breadline, and over the past two years the number in relative poverty has actually increased."
nu labour = the party of POVERTY
WeAreTheBrits 3 years ago
LABOUR peers are prepared to accept fees of up to £120,000 a year to amend laws in the House of Lords on behalf of business clients, a Times investigation has found.
Four peers — including two former ministers — offered to help undercover reporters posing as lobbyists obtain an amendment in return for cash.
Two of the peers were secretly recorded telling the reporters they had previously secured changes to bills going through parliament to help their clients
nu labour SLEAZE
WeAreTheBrits 3 years ago
"This is no time for amateurs."
Very true. And is also no time for selfish, Tory BASTARD amateurs.
hugoegbert79 3 years ago
'change we can believe in', get godon out!!
mbb05jb 3 years ago
"the tories never said they were going to save the world!" Neither did Labour. That was a slip of the tongue, and it's pathetic that you try to make it out to be anything more than that. We never said unemployment was a price worth paying. The Tories did. And Id rather have box-ticking PC bullshit than hatred, bigotry and predjudice that you lot espouse. It was the Tories who gave us Enoch Powell (who Cameron had a very civilised friendly meal with) and who opposed civil partnerships.
hugoegbert79 3 years ago
"i 'll contact u on yooutube when unemployment is more than 3 million. have u been in a coma for the last year? the country is fucked!"
I suppose you were in a coma for 18 years-from 1979 to 1997. It wouldn't be the first time we had 3million unemployed would it? And at least labour are trying to stop that from happening, whilst the Tories not only allowed it to (and would again) but actually purposefully drove up unemployment, and then cut unemployment benefit.
hugoegbert79 3 years ago
And the country is not fucked. I know the Tories like to play down Britain (Broken Britain and all that) but we've been through worse than this before. And the Tories are "change we can believe in"? Obama is a left-wing liberal who is following essentially the same economic policy as Gordon Brown. He described Cameron as a "lightweight". An old Etonian Thatcherite who advised Norman Lamont and has spent most of his career as a spin doctor is not change we can believe in.
hugoegbert79 3 years ago
And yes Brown should have been more prepared. But theres no point in saving money in the good times if you aren't going to spend it in the bad times in order to help people suffering the reccession. If we'd have had the Tories in power they would have not spent anything on public services etc, saved money and then still done nothing to provide help to people in the reccession now. We need to spend money now to help people. Brown is willing to do that. The Tories arent, & never have been before.
hugoegbert79 3 years ago
you are missing the point, it;s the fact tha there is no money to spend, there was no piggy bank for a rainyday! of course we had sink all that money into the banks, but the fact that we have to borrow it all to do so as we haven't saved any money! they have said exactley what they would do, cameron said in question time what he would do, stop perpetrating this tories would do nothing, they have said many times!
mbb05jb 3 years ago
Yes we have to borrow. But no-one thought "lets not spend money on the NHS, lets save it for when there's a recession 5 years from now". No-one saw a recession, of this magnitude, coming. And as for the banks, we'll make money back, in fact make a profit, when the economy recovers because the money we invested in the banks when shares were at their lowest. In a reccession you ahve to borrow money, because the private sector isn't and because you need to raise money without raising tax.
hugoegbert79 3 years ago
yes because brown had thought he had ended boom and bust, i hope we all learn that this is never going to happen. If you taxed less, there would be less money needed to borrow, as your spending plan would be smaller, and there would be more business's, which equals more tax (look at Ireland's tax model, they lowered tax and ended up getting more), the economy is more productive, as the public sector doesn't generate wealth. being less in debt, would mean we could borrow more.
mbb05jb 3 years ago
Again, the number of small businesses has been at its highest level ever under Labour, under the times of high tax, so your argument is clearly wrong. If you SPEND less then you need to borrow less, but then you have poor public services, as we had under the Tories. The public sector doesn't generate wealth IF all the wealth-generating industries are privatised. And I don't think Ireland is the best example to use. Are you going to quote Iceland as a great economic model next?
hugoegbert79 3 years ago
Pretty unconvincing. Socialism knows how to tax and spend but is hopeless at wealth creation.
Socialists in my experience are often bitter, envious and resentful towards the successful.
happyuk06 3 years ago
"Socialists in my experience are often bitter, envious and resentful towards the successful."
No, we're angry at the selfish who whorde their wealth whilst thousands live on the streets and starve.
hugoegbert79 3 years ago
and invariably sipping champagne at the time..when will people get it..socialism died in the 80s..Thatcher killed it..if you said socialism to Brown he'd foam at the mouth..that loony left basket case derek hatton is now a capitalist..you couldn't make it up..but it just proves what i've always thought...they all get there in the end!!!!
steps1 3 years ago
£17,000 worth of debt though eh? What a sure start!
d1bx4pp 3 years ago
BRILLIANT. Ignore all the ignorant Tory BASTARDS who only care about how much they'll be taxed, not thinking about all those who'll be made unemployed and won't get new jobs under Cameron's policy of poverty, unemployment and economic stagnation. Great job.
hugoegbert79 3 years ago
low tax=more economic groeth=more kobs u retard! do u have one of those non-jobs like a 'street football coordinator'?
mbb05jb 3 years ago
"low tax=more economic groeth=more kobs u retard!"
Wow, that was so illiterate I could barely make it out. If that's the case then why have unemployment rates been consistently the lowest they've ever been under Labour, whilst we had 3 million unemployed under Thatcher? Not to mention the destruction of our manufacturing industry (which has really fucked us over now), 246 hospital closures, Black Wednesday and the highest child poverty rate in the dev. world? Check your facts.
hugoegbert79 3 years ago
First off all, the new jobs created (about 1.2 million have been taken up by immigrants and half of them are non-jobs in the inefficient public sector, everything from your lesbian outreach officer to banana-angle measurer), we've probably had a brown every-day-of-the-week now, the poverty gap has only increased under labour, unemployed is 2.1 million and it will have reached over 3 million by this time next year,
mbb05jb 3 years ago
manufacturing out put has been at its lowest 6 months ago, lower than back in the last recession, labour destroyed our financial sector!!! U fucking check your stats, u zanulabour fuck!! there will be a major backlash against labour for the next 2 decades like the tories got. Brown's name will worse than lady thatchers ever was or will be. Labour have had 11 years in office to sort this out, they have full blame and responsability for this cock up. they only have themselves to blame!
mbb05jb 3 years ago
"manufacturing out put has been at its lowest 6 months ago"
Yes, manufacturing has been steadily decreasing since 1992 as a result of the shift towards the fre market system. But it was the Tories who destroyed it irreparably, and who changed the system so that manufacturing couldn't survive in this country due to globalisation and the free market system. That's not an argument.
"Brown's name will worse than lady thatchers"
Umm, no. You're kidding yourself there.
hugoegbert79 3 years ago
Yet ANOTHER homophobic Tory! No wonder Alan Duncans been demoted for of a man that doesnt agree with Tory policy. You can't possibly encourage gay rights can you! The poverty gap has narrowed. Fact. The number of people in extreme poverty has decreased. Fact. And Brown is doing everything he can to stop unemployment and prevent it from becoming long-term (which the Tories oppose and is the opposite of what they did in the 80s and 90s). Labour never said "unemployment is a price worth paying".
hugoegbert79 3 years ago
yet ANOTHER labour communist! One of the good things about the tories is that meritocracy is used, unlike the box ticking bullshit PC carp u lot do. yes its all very well throwing more money at the poor in forms of beneit, not actually creating real jobs and real sustainable forms of wealth. and the tories never said they were going to save the world! i 'll contact u on yooutube when unemployment is more than 3 million. have u been in a coma for the last year? the country is fucked!
mbb05jb 3 years ago
"Labour have had 11 years in office to sort this out, they have full blame and responsability for this cock up."
I think you'll find that the reccession was caused by the American bankers on Wall Street. That's why it's happening all over the world, not just in Britain.
"its all very well throwing more money at the poor in forms of beneit, not actually creating real jobs and real sustainable forms of wealth"
Under Labour we've had the lowest unemployment levels on record.
hugoegbert79 3 years ago
yes we've established that they have increased jobs, but half of them are non-jobs on the goverment payroll and the rest have been taken up by immigrants. we've established it is an american problem but through gordon's claim of banishing boom and bust, left us unprepared for what us intelligent people know, the bust that is coming. you can't polish a turd, the economy is fucked because of gorgons policies that have left in a crap position, that is why the pound is so low.
mbb05jb 3 years ago
The pound was at its lowest in 1985 under Thatcher, and was devalued again in '92 when Cameron was advising Norman Lamont. And the lower value of the pound, whilst meaning those going on ski-ing holidays at the moment (Alan Duncan) are paying more, isn't a huge problem.
hugoegbert79 3 years ago
so whats your point, brown is as bad as thatcher? what about hoon paying for his daughter to get an extra advantage into getting into oxbridge?
mbb05jb 3 years ago
The Tories would do nothing. What is their big pan exactly? Cutting apprenticeships and closing jobcentres just as unemployment rises. Not putting any money into the economy at all. Letting the recession "run it's course", as one Tory MP said. They have a few gimmicks which would make no difference in reality. Every attempt to save jobs and businesses by the govt has been opposed by the Tories. All they talk about is govt debt and cutting taxes 3 years from now. No help for now though.
hugoegbert79 3 years ago
u acuse the tories of shortterminism, yet u only care about now? they said they would guarentee all bank loans, and labour pinched a very dodgy version of it. The labour goverment are the king of gimmicks, and headline scoring. The goverment are just innefficient in what what they spend, they don't get much 'bang for their buck' do they? just like the NHS.
mbb05jb 3 years ago
don't tell me the vat reduction ever worked, they would have been better spending that 12.5 billion on reducing income tax and national insurance. jsut innefficient, just like the civil service is inefficient with money, thats why we need tories with experience in private companies, cos if they don't do well they get the sack.
mbb05jb 3 years ago
the VAT reduction saves the average family on low wages 250 pounds a year. That may not seem like much to Cameron who has £30,000,000 in the bank, but to those on min wage (which the Tories opposed) it does make a difference. It puts £12bn into the economy and reduces the price of pretty much everything.
hugoegbert79 3 years ago
I didn't accuse the Tories of short-termism. And I don't only care about now, I care about the millions of people who are losing their jobs and homes, the businesses going bust, the people becoming homeless. And if short-term unemployment is allowed to become long-term then there are serious social, aswell as economic, consequences. Failing to act now will have serious consequences for the future.
hugoegbert79 3 years ago
yes failing to act now will cause problems, no-ones disputing that, but that fact that we are in this situation because we were nearly bankrupt before we got into this situation and the handling of the economy since 1997, has left us in a shit position. this gross misconduct must not be forgotten at the polling station. you can't tell me that they have fucked up by the way of policys for small business's, they were taxed to fuck and barely coping before the recession.
mbb05jb 3 years ago
Under Labour 600,000 small businesses have been created as opposed to thousands going bust under the Tories. "failing to act now will cause problems, no-ones disputing that"-the Tories are disputing that. They talk about debt and tax rises, and their policies for 3 years in the future, but neglect the tiny problem of the recession. Cameron as advisor to Lamont in 92 did nothing to help people then, and he'd do the same now. They let people go to the wall, and thats what I call gross misconduct.
hugoegbert79 3 years ago
the tories have got plans, if u didn't repeat pseudo facts and actually bothered to read what they would do on their website.
Whats the source for the 600,000 new busness's figure. u didn't pluck that from the air did u?
mbb05jb 3 years ago
The 600,000 figure is from the CBI. I've read the Tory website-the very first economic policy you see is raising the inheritance tax threshold to £1,000,000. I'm sure that'll be very helpful to people suffering from the recession. Please enlighten me, what would the Tories do to prevent unemployment? To drive DOWN unemployment (for a change)? To help people in poverty? Why did they oppose raising the weekly pensions allowance, the winter fuel payments, and child tax credits?
hugoegbert79 3 years ago
At the polling station you have to think: do we want to vote in the people who gave us 2 recessions, 20% inflation, the highest levels of unemployment since the 30s, 15% interest rates, the poll tax, Section 28, Black Wednesday and the pound at its lowest value ever? The people who want to close hospitals and schools, the people who opposed the minimum wage, who would have done nothing in this recession? If you're going to vote out a govt youd better make sure the ppl you vote in are better.
hugoegbert79 3 years ago
i shall be thinking and many other people will be thinking, illegal war in iraq, over 3 million in employment (will happen this year), money wasted on id cards, knife crime, social problems (crime and illiteracy) from broken families fueled by denefits,lack of civil liberties, squandering money on failed computer projects,inneficent spend of money on schools,still have of pupils are illiterate, housing boom and bust (lack of regulation because of greed of stamp duty),gereal bungling of everthing
mbb05jb 3 years ago
These social problems are a result of people leaving school in the early 80s or 90s and signing on the dole because there was no work, and there was no work for years. It's not Labour's fault. Crime and illiteracy have both fallen under Labour. Social problems were not caused by Labour. They were there before and its better now. You obviously don't remember the social problems of the early 80s, the "class war", all the riots? We don't have that now. Knife crime, whilst awful, is still very rare
hugoegbert79 3 years ago
"we need tories with experience in private companies, cos if they don't do well they get the sack."
Like Cameron's deregulation advisor, who worked for Severn Trent, who was fined for lying to regulators? Like the Tory City fat cats, including Cameron's father, who gambled everyone's money and got us into this mess? And also, with regards to your VAT comment, Ken Clark, former chancellor and Tory Business Secretary, supports the VAT cut. Maybe the Tories should listen to him.
hugoegbert79 3 years ago
yes and maybe they should listen to his sill views on europe aswell. maybe milliband should have taken over. Those Nulabour fat cats in banks can't be blamed because it was the way gordon brown setup deregulation without the boe being in the loop with the bank of england . It was the way gordon brown deregulated the system caused this problem. What about gorgons fat-cat chum Myners, the hadge fund he was in charge of made loads from the collapse of northern rock.
mbb05jb 3 years ago
"fat cats in banks can't be blamed"
What world are you living in? These people lied to their customers, offering them loans and mortgages when they knew they'd never be able to pay them back, and got paid obscene amounts of money for doing so. Are you saying that they have no self control? That they aren't responsible for their own actions? It's deregulation thats to blame, not the bankers themselves? Ridiculous. Bankers are people too, and they're responsible for their own actions.
hugoegbert79 3 years ago
It was Thatcher who started deregulation. Remember 1986? The Big Bang? She created the free market economy of privatisation and deregulation forcing socialist Old Labour, whose economic policies were designed to stop this sort of thing happening, to become New Labour and embrace deregulation, if we ever wanted to get elected again. This woul dnever have happened if it wasn't for Thatcher and Reagan. Labour argued with her about this throughout the 80s, warned that this would happen, to no avail
hugoegbert79 3 years ago
still, labour has been in charge for 11 years so its their fault, deregulation is not a dirty word, it is how it is deregulated and what is replaced instead-labour have cocked that one up.
mbb05jb 3 years ago
Yes, but virtually everyone's been following the same policies on the free market and allowing the banks to do whatever they want over the past 15 years or so. And the problems really started in America, the problem was the American banks had bought out some of our banks, or amalgamated with them, so what they were doing over there fucked us over here in Britain.
hugoegbert79 3 years ago
"labour has been in charge for 11 years so its their fault" - Are you saying that if the Conservatives were in charge and had carried on deregulating the market we'd have been immune from the global down turn and while every single other country in the world is in recession we'd be completely fine?
Quizcos 3 years ago
look at australia, they have more room for manoeuvre because they have howard, a fiscal conservative for 10 or so years. It is about HOW you deregulate.
mbb05jb 3 years ago
And the Tories supported Iraq. They'd have done exactly the same. They aren't offering change-they're offering to drag us back into the days of Thatcher, of poverty and a government that looks after the rich and punishes the poor. They're a bunch of right-wing, backward bigots who ripped this country apart before, and they'd do it again if they got the chance.
hugoegbert79 3 years ago
drag back to the days of thatcher, you mean prosperity? are you trying to say capitalism is not the best wealth generator? here is the economic history of the labour party
callahan=recession and IMF bailout and winter of discontent
wilson=recession
ramsay macdonald=recession
gordon'we saved the world' brown=recession
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mbb05jb 3 years ago
hugoegbert79 3 years ago
The Tories are utter hypocrites. They are happy to claim responsibility for everything good that happened under Labour, saying it's down to Thatcher, but then blame Labour when it all goes wrong. As Costello said: "She took all the glory and none of the shame" (Margaret Thatcher)
hugoegbert79 3 years ago
Zanu labour are utter hypocrites. They are happy to make bold assertions like they 'ended boom and bust', then blame the tories when it all goes wrong. Also they are jumping on the Obama bandwagon, which will be fun as they supported Bush. Hmm, hypocracy?
mbb05jb 3 years ago
Brown said he'd ended boom and bust, but no-one else really believed it. And as for Bush, they supported him because he was the American President. You can't not support the American president. The Tories supported him aswell. Labour are much more idealogically aligned with Obama than the Tories, who are also trying to jump on the Obama bandwagon. Michael Gove said that both the Tories and Obama are representative of the progressive opposition against the establishment. Which made me laugh.
hugoegbert79 3 years ago
yes, no-one in his party told him to keep some money back for a rainy day did they. The tories and obama do have similarities, they want to reduce goverment waste, reduce goverment size. we need change as much as america did. Labour can't offer anything new, they are stagnant and the country is paying for it. By the way, fance and germany managed not to get into iraq.
mbb05jb 3 years ago
"we need change as much as america did."
Bush was a neo-conservative, just like Cameron. He looked after the rich whilst neglected the poor, just like Cameron. I don't think you can really compare Brown to Bush. Obama is following the same fiscal stimulus policy that Brown is following, and recognises the need to save jobs and work towards ending poverty. Cameron simply doesn't care about these things. He has conflicting ideology and policy to Obama, & Obama thinks he's a "lightweight".
hugoegbert79 3 years ago
bush and brown were both fiscally irresponsible. i he was that arsed about jobs, why hasn't he got rid of NI? thats a tax on jobs. Why is britain one of the highest taxed country? obama may think cameron is a lightweight, but he probably thinks brown is deadweight.
mbb05jb 3 years ago
Brown is the first European leader Obama has called. He obviously doesn't think he's a deadweight, especially since he's following his policy. And the Thatcher years were years of prosperity? For some maybe. For the bankers and the accountants and the shareholders. If you happened to work in a factory or down a mine or in a hospital or a school or something useful like that then they weren't so prosperous. Prosperity. Proves Tories don't live in the real world.
hugoegbert79 3 years ago
"reduce goverment size" - Last I heard is that he's going to be spending over $600 billion, doesn't sound like the actions of a small government to me.
"they are stagnant" - So stagnant that they've renewed or refurbished 200 hospitals in the past couple of years and have started the massive Building Schools for the Future project that will be building hundreds of schools across the UK to give children a better education as well as provide thousands of jobs to the construction sector?
Quizcos 3 years ago
if u bothered to pay attention to US politics, it means reducing the size, thus saving money. The goverment likes to throw money at things, they are not efficient in how they spend it, maybe thats why they previously work in the public service as they couldn't hack it in the private sector. google richard rose central academy, see how making a lovely new academy has reduced the quality of 2 schools by merging them into one big fuck up, all at extra cost to you and me.
mbb05jb 3 years ago
As for your comments about capitalism, I should point out that 8/10 people in the world are in poverty. Capitalism hasn't done much for them. Capitalism is great at generating wealth for the few at the expense of everyone else. And America has essentially no welfare system, and no free health service. They have 1 of the world's largest gaps between the rich and poor. They dont spend on an NHS, but spend more than the rest of the world combined on defence.
hugoegbert79 3 years ago
capitalism is purest for of meritocracy. the reason why they are poor is for many reasons, not just capitalism. I bet they don't complain when capitalism is paying for their medicine and food. Look at mugabe's socialist country, it used to be the bread basket of southern africa, then they socialised thefarming industry, now it is good and properly fucked. !
mbb05jb 3 years ago
Why is health care a born right? How do you explain the fact that the US has the best health care in the world? the reason why america is the most productive and innovative country as it is more capitalist. Capitalism drives progress, look at the space race between the ussr and the US. you probably believe that Say's law works.
NHS is still shit, so is education, so is the civil service, so that shows just because you throw money at a problem doesn't solve the problem.
mbb05jb 3 years ago
My favourite thing labour did was to give GP's bonus's to improve, they fucked that up as GP's were doing exactly the same as before-no changein service/results, and ended up getting payed more. utter useless bastards. the phrase here is a fool and his money are soon parted.
mbb05jb 3 years ago
"Capitalism drives progress, look at the space race between the ussr and the US." - I think you'll find that the space race was funded almost completely by the governments.
Quizcos 3 years ago
i think you will find the the taxpayer and contracted independant companies won the space race. it was capitalism vs socialism, and capitalism won.
mbb05jb 3 years ago
"they supported Bush." - They supported Bush on the war in Iraq, but have a lot more similarities with Obama. In fact, Obama is going to be pulling troops out of Iraq and putting them into Afghanistan just as Labour have planned to do.
Quizcos 3 years ago
yes, as well as being fiscally irresponsible, but a least bush did give US troops decent kit.
mbb05jb 3 years ago
shit video, derek's not going to be getting any tonight,as i have a hot date with keith chegwin.
KateGarrawaysTits 3 years ago
illegal war in Iraq?
50% of school leavers who can't read or write
out of control immigration
crumbling currency
near-bankrupt economy
NHS meltdown
local council stasi
BIG BROTHER databases
no referendum on the eu
after the next election nu labour will be wiped from the face of the earth and everyone knows it
WeAreTheBrits 3 years ago
What a horrific video..sounds very much like a champagne socialist.
The sooner we get rid of this joke of a PM who is saddling the country with a trillion pound's worth of debt, who savaged millions of his own voters by getting rid of the 10p tax band..and why did he do that? for his own benefit..to outwit the tories..what a horrible man he must be to do that..his ministers are incompetent and we're being taxed to the hilt..Labour isn't working..AGAIN!!
steps1 3 years ago
I didn't notice the Tories opposing it, or promising to abolish it...and it was Brown who established it in the first place. He also gave us the minimum wage (which the Tories, incl Cameron opposed) and 100 new hospitals. Aswell as the lowest levels of poverty and unemployment in British history.
hugoegbert79 3 years ago
as well as a trillion pound's worth of debt to look forward to..as well as savaging millions of his own by getting rid of the 10p tax band..as well as countless stealth taxes on the public..as well as promising he had ended boom and bust..what a farce and what a fraud he is! With every single LAB govt since 1930 unemployment is always higher than when they came in!! and don't look to Brown for socialiam..he'd foam at the mouth if you said that word..his love-in with thatcher must have killed you
steps1 3 years ago
Shame you kept the bottle-feeding image in.
AlwaysReadTheLabel 3 years ago
Apologising for the disaster that is 11 years of Labour government must be a very depressing hobby.
jonny32london 3 years ago
HAHA this is Rubbish, the narrator sounds like a poor man's nasally impression of Red Ken.
TheHawkHarp 3 years ago
very quick response.
You forgot to mention the new schools were paid by PFI projects and are part of the little chap's £17,000 debt.
You can't dodge the fact that Gordon's debt fuelled economic vision has brought us to a bust of epic proportions.
SPOILTBALLOT 3 years ago