Nataline Sarkysian

[mattdamian]

I am a Canadian and dislike all the tax 's I pay, but I know that if I was in Nataline Sarkysian's condition I would have been taken of. I am not saying that Canada has it the right way. I am just saying.

Cat

[MisterFallout]

i had no idea what you just said. the only time i was doing was staring at your beard.

[aviomaster]

UNFORTUNATELY this is not the first CASE ...

[ogasa4]

I've been docking the Canada part of your case all this time intentionally. I dont know any canadian personally, I've only met them as tourists and at their consulate in D.C. The issue of health care didnt come in any of the cases.

I use to believe your view of their health care because the media: fox, cnn, msnbc, cnbc,cbs, abc, nbc, wash. post, garnette papers, baltimore sun, etc; all said so, with NO PROOF of any kind mind you.

[ogasa4]

Then I saw "SICKO". "SICKO" didnt tell me about the Canadian system, it took me to canada & showed me actual canadians, it talked to and questioned the, i saw & heard them in their own words. It showed, not tell me about, AMERICANS lieing to take advantage of Canada's system after they have been treaked, cheated, denied, gouged etc by their paid for coverage in the US.

[ogasa4]

I wish I can meet some of these Canadians you've been talking to. Besides, who said it has to be eaxactly like the Canadian? Why not model it after the Brits? the Germans? the Swedes? the Japs? or any one else'? Or better yet, why not use them all as a case study of what downs to avoid in creating our own "SOCIALIZED" Universal Health care?

[ogasa4]

You also mentioned that most are covered & we only need to worry about the 47Mil thats not covered.

Well, if that was the case, this BLOG would never have HAPPENED. Natali was covered, we know the rest of the story. & Sicko showed how hundreds of thousands ran into "DENIED" claims when it was time to collect on their coverage. Thats what profit when the ppl and their govt are afraid or "BRAI-WASHED" to fear a GOOD thing.

[j0eg0d]

You're basing your information off of a really bad fake documentary. It's liberal hype and you've fallen for it.

Socialized healthcare won't work for the same reason our current Medicare is failing.

The proof is right there in your face.

We already have a healthcare system designed for retirees & welfare, and it's failing.

Yet you think this same government can make another healthcare package for EVERYBODY ?

Ridiculous.

[ogasa4]

1)YOU ARE WRONG! It was a great documentary.

2)Every single RIGHT you enjoy today, came to be as aresult of LIBERAL "hype" that challenged the systems & powers for the BENEFITS OF the populous. LOOK UP "LIBERAL", the definition may wise you up.

3)Socialized or regulated health care will

[ogasa4]

work, if the drug comp, hosp, and docs are heavilly regulated. It is working in the other developed countries.

4)our current system is failing because: (a.)there's a middle man between patient & doctor; (b.) the drug prices are crimines. 35 cents in cuba vs $160 here for a specific drug. (c.) doctors charge too much; (d.) ONLY THE BOTTOM POOREST (first97,000.00) is TAXED FOR health care. 100% OF EVERY BODY'S INCOME SHOULD BE TAXED FOR SOCIAL HEALTH CARE, MILLIONAIRES, BILLIONAIRES & ALL. (e.)

[ogasa4]

Our leaders are profiting from the mess. (f.) POOR and LOWER class CONSERVATIVES think its their job and duty to protect the rich from their share of societal costs. I dont know why, may be it makes them feel rich, UNBELIEVABLE.

(5.)Finally, Natali died because her INSURANCE denied her paid-for claim. She paid her premium, she should get her treatment. In fact, that reflect the biggest case

[ogasa4]

"SICKO" made, millions of Americans are denied treatment every year by these for-profit INSURANCES. If the hospitals were to treat these ppl any way and then litigate later, they will be doing more litigation than treating people, THAT'S A FACT.

SO, YES, a HEALTH CARE PACKAGE FOR ALL is not only possible, it is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY!

[ogasa4]

We, the PEOPLE, just need to demand it as a wholistic REGULATED system where PROFIT is not the focus. DOES the police dept make profit? It is set up by the govt like that. so how can you say it's not the govt job to determine which company makes profit and which doesn't? municipal water system is not run for profit, is it? what about the post office? the health inspections? IRS? COMMON, WAKE UP! STOP protecting THE RICH FROM THEIR DUE SHARE OF SOCIETY'S EXPENCES.

[j0eg0d]

You talk about "what if" and I talk about "what is".

Our politicians will do to the pharmaceutical companies exactly what they've done with the oil companies ... HELP THEM PROFIT AND BURDEN US WITH THE TAX.

[ogasa4]

WE ARE THE ONES THAT ELECT THEM.

If you stop fighting liberals, who we know fight for rights all the time, and focus on holding both parties to what we want, A UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE THAT IS FREE BY MEANS OF FAIR TAXATION, it will become true. THE brits are just like us socially & politically as well as culture, history & language. The liberals won their health care debate 50years ago and it became more & more liberal.

[ogasa4]

Today its almost as free as a comunist country's and all their citizens love it. their drug industry is so heavilly regulated, it will make an american conservative weep and cry "communist". But it WORKS, & ITS the ONLY WAY. Health = LIFE, & should not be placed in the hands of for-profit AGENTS. Once more, we are the only ones with a for-profit health care among the develped & developing worlds. THAT IS A SHAME!

[ogasa4]

Much More than any other country in the world, we have people who make 10s and 100s of millions a year. Now, me & you are taxed at slightly over 13% of our full income for health care & social security. But only up to the first $97,000 earned. So, all those millions of people who earn millions a year, practically pay nothing into your so-called "BROKEN GOVT CARE PLAN". That plus the price gouging that you so ACCURATELY point out to me again & again is why it's broke.

[ogasa4]

"Sicko" is not against me & you, it showed how horrible our system is & made me ashame to believe the media & their cohuts, the insurances & hmo & doctors when they claim that the rest of the world have it worse than us & they are suffering & dieing while waiting for care & treatment. Thats just a BLATANT lie & PROPAGANDA to gouge, rape, & cheat us.

[ogasa4]

We should'nt let them get away with it any more. We should demand the MOST out of HEALTH CARE: Raise tax, make every one pay on 100% of their income, REMOVE the insurance all together, REGULATE the price of DRUGS, & treat all that is sick. I wish we can really effectively seperate the CORPORATION from the MEDIA from the GOVERNMENT. Now theres a GOAL to strive for.

[ogasa4]

"WHAT IS" is nothing more than a previous "WHAT IF". If America is the democracy we claim it to be, this SHOULD be a PIECE of cake. We are the PEOPLE & the GOVERNMENT. We just killed a BILL that was certain to be law by protesting loudly and calling it what "IT IS" an "AMNESTY". we can do that on all ISSUES that matter.

[j0eg0d]

America is a Republic, as in "for which it stands". Most of us are fighting to prevent a majority rules society here.

It is not our government's job to decide which businesses profit and which do not.

[j0eg0d]

You have no idea what the Democrats are currently planning for healthcare, because it's to be direct socialism and the replacing of the private industries.

They're not interested in going after the pharmaceutical corporations ... just the health insurance companies.

They plan on creating a "cheap" healthcare package for "all workers" - NOT the people that don't have it.

Our government isn't a corruption of one party - both parties are corrupted.

[j0eg0d]

Nataline Sarkysian died because the hospital & her doctors wouldn't do anything until they got paid.

[ogasa4]

((2))That's why we get denied of simple basic treatments and why our system cost hundreds of times as other places and why we pay $7000.00 per year per person and when we get sick, we get denied and have to struggle with our hmo who are just hoping we die intead of get costly treatments. If we pay extra tax for a government ru system, it would not be any where near $2000.00 per year as oppose to the $7.00 per year we pay currently.

[j0eg0d]

Our system costs so much because our pharmaceutical companies and suppliers are charging whatever the hell they want.

That started after the Clinton administrations changes to Medicare/Medicaid creating "spend down" costs and price gouging.

The the Bush administration pushed private insurance providers into the system to cover RX plans and now people on Medicare have to pay a monthly premium.

[ogasa4]

RIGHT about the price gouging by the DRUG MAKERS.

The Clintons worked hard on a comprehensive system that was closer to the rest of the developed world, but they were attack from all sides by the BRUNT of the corporate entity that is the AMERICAN machine. So, tthey stepped off and gave us that crap.

Bush took Clinton's CRAP & turned it into a SUPER-CRAP thats a CASH COW for the BIG GUYS.

[j0eg0d]

So look at what they want to do. Instead of attacking the drug makers, they're attacking the insurance companies that have to pay those prices ... think about it.

Their plans don't do anything to prevent price gouging it simply replaces who's paying for it and that burden goes to the taxpayers.

[ogasa4]

WHY ARE YOU BENT ON DEFENDING THE INSURANCE & HMOs @ THE EXPENCE OF THE OTHERS TO BLAME?

There are 4 culprates in the matter: 1. our LEADERS; 2. the INSURANCE companies; 3.the DRUG companies; & finally, the 4. HOSPITALs & DOCTORs. To fix it, 2. & 3. should be eliminated and the drug prices should be regulated as well as doctors charges. HOSPITALS are so called for their "hospitality", Since they wont live up to their name, they should be made.

[j0eg0d]

What are you just arguing to be arguing ? You're not even paying attention to what I've written.

They are not attacking the pharmaceutical companies !

They're trying to create a system that adjusts to their price gouging by having taxes pay for it all !

[ogasa4]

I've been paying attention.

I've also been pointing out the playersthat are the causes of the problem & the solutiobs.

medicare/medicaid are insurance system. & like you said, it's broke because of the over charging by docs, hosps, and drug comps. I heard all that. & you are right.

What I'm saying is: We need to take the gov't to task, throw away all the Insurance comp, & insist on a REGULATED NOT-FOR-PROFIT Health Care System.

[ogasa4]

That means, the govt must cap the price of drugs, doctors'/hospitals' charge, and NO: HMO, H.C. INSURANCES, MEDICARE/MEDICAID. if you'er sick, you show up @ a hospital, show an ID or something, get TREATED, no bills nothing. we pay for it by incresing taxes. we should take the fight up with congress and the media. look @ how effective the media was @ killing that immigration bill. when it wants, the media can achieve anything.

[ogasa4]

Yes, you are right, the first place to start is the price of drugs, then treatment costs, next hospital prices, then doctors. The insurances must be eliminated. No matter what the people want, without a media to voice that opinion, things are just gonna stay the same. I believe that the reason the media went on that shameless attack on the immigration bill, was to divert focus from other more pressing issues/debates.

[j0eg0d]

It isn't the government's job to decide what companies should profit and which should not.

And (again) we need these insurance companies because of the size of the population.

Like I said - that's what's wrong with Canada's system. It's one program for millions of people and they can't keep up with their population.

[ogasa4]

Now, thats why you thought I wasn't listening to you. We disagree on the job of government. I BELIEVE that, once a government is formed to meddle in the ppl's business, it should not be limited as to what it can meddle in, so long as the ppl and a preset constitution is not suffered. So, either no govt or a "for-the-ppl" meddler govt. The govt already meddles in a lot of things and keeps them non-profit. EXAMPLES:

[ogasa4]

post office, (try making a profit off sending letters from maine to Hawaii in 4days @ 39cent s each; cant be done!}; fire dept, police, municipal water, another perfect example, HEALTH and SAFETY REGULATIONS & INSPECTIONS of all kinds. Yet the most important of all healths, ACTUAL HEALTH CARE is left to "FOR-PROFIT-SHARKS". that's ABSURD!

[j0eg0d]

The single payer system will push those costs onto the tax payer and it's just going to be another government program for Congress to drain surplus from.

[ogasa4]

Just like the military, post office, fire dept., coast guard, water, airways, road ways, bridges, the list goes on of things the govt runs because they are too vital. HEALTH CARE BELONGS ON THAT LIST BY ALL MEANS! OPEN YOUR EYES, WAKE UP, SMELL YOUR BLOOD SPILLING! TRASH THE HEALTH CARE MIDDLE-MEN-BILLIONAIRES MAKING THEIR BILLIONS @ THE COST OF YOUR LIFE, MONEY & HEALTH, WE DON'T NEED THEM!

[j0eg0d]

Damnit - we already have a federal healthcare system, and what do you keep hearing about it ? That's it's going bankrupt, because of all the retiring Baby-Boomers - So they want to create another one ?

The single payer system is a scam that you're believing because Michael Moore said it was great. Ask someone from Canada how great their system is; They have no private insurers and their system can't handle their population.

[ogasa4]

the reason their previous plans didnt work was because, like you said: they werent sincere & they were just playing politics as usual. medicaid/medicare & all the other insurances should be trashed, prices should be heavilly regulated, and congress should fund this universal or "SOCIALIZED" health care system. That's WHAT I've been trying to say. That's my position.

[j0eg0d]

Try looking at socialized health care before you demand it. Let people from Canada tell you what's wrong with their's.

and AGAIN we don't need to give healthcare to everyone - just the people that don't have it.

We could very easily put those people on Medicare, but Medicare can't handle the number of people they have now - it should be all the evidence you need for why ANOTHER federal health care plan won't work.

[ogasa4]

((2))NO country's health care system should be profit based. Oh yeah, they also regulate the drug industries. Close all the middle-man in health care and regulate the industry. WATCH SICKOS by MICHAEL MOORE you will get it immediately, it's an eye opener.

[j0eg0d]

I have watched SiCKO, it's pure propaganda that favors the Democratic plan for a single payer system.

We do have good insurance providers in this country, and most of us have health insurance. So the problem isn't creating a system for everybody, it's only to create a system for the people that don't have insurance.

[ogasa4]

You seem to get your info from the US media. They are part of the CORPORATE DOGS. I do like the DEMOCRATS' plans. WE NEED NO MIDDLE MAN, NO HMOs, NO INSURANCE; PERIOD!!!

It's good if you'er RICH or work as top management material for corporate America. For the most of us, when it's time to be treated for all the premiums they've collected, we get denied.

[j0eg0d]

We already have Medicare/Medicaid but the Clinton administration and then the Bush administration screwed it all up ...

Where it used to cover EVERYTHING, now it only covers a portion. People on Medicare are currently using private insurance companies just to pay for their RX plan.

[ogasa4]

It was not good enough & it didn't cover every one. Clinton's wife fixed it and she was eaten up by the REPUBs, the MEDICINE Industries, The HMOs, H.C. Insurances, & The MEDIA (led by FOX). I remember it well. Clinton was forced to play nice up to the POWERS that ARE/IS America.

[j0eg0d]

You're thinking of HillCare which Congress shot down. I'm talking about the changes to the Medicare/Medicaid system that are still in effect.

They invested in pharmaceutical stocks and then fixed the system so taxes would pay whatever price the industry demanded.

They want to do the same with a brand new healthcare system, when Medicare is already established. Don't you ask yourself WHY they aren't using Medicare for people that can't afford insurance ?

[ogasa4]

((1))The doctors are not to blame, in 100% of the rest of the developed world, every one gets treated for all ailments no matter the cost. & the only thing missing in their system is, managed health care and health care insurance, the middle men.

[j0eg0d]

Not true ...

even in Canada there's a long waiting list to approve newer medications & drug treatments, because there system can't handle the their population.

Some people never receive simple MRIs and others are waiting months just to be approved for one. If they opened up their market for private insurers, it would alleviate that burden.

[ogasa4]

ONCE AGAIN, You repeat the media's propaganda. mike moore called CNN to task and sanje gupta had to eat his words. moore was right the media was caught blatantly lieing. Canadians don't wait for anything any more than we do. WHY YOU CHOSE TO BELIEVE & REPEAT THAT IS BEYOND ME. I much rather pay $2,000 to $4,000 per year in extra tax and get treated for any ailment no questions asked that $7,000 a year with limitations everywhere. ONCE MORE, THERE SHOULD BE NO MIDDLEMEN IN HEALTH CARE! PERIOD!

[j0eg0d]

The doctors and hospital are at fault.

They should have proceeded with her treatments and fought with the insurance provider afterwards.

But they did nothing until they knew they would get paid.

[ogasa4]

Well, perhaps.

As for me, when I look @ causes and effects, not only do I give weight to each cause, I also weiigh how each cause stacks up on its own as to wether or not it can produce the effect alone.

Of the 3 players here, the (1)docs/hosp as well as (2)the drug makers individually would not have led to a denial of treatment. But, with the INSURANCE alone, treatment would be denied no matter what. Thus, they are to blame.

[Gagikangelo]

Totally Agree with your point...The Doctors must have done their job, save the person's life, than ask for the money...Doctors are the one who is most responsible for the patients death and insurance company for not paying, because they didn't approve the surgery. It's two major issues in your Health care system which must be looked after. There is a Two sides of one coin...and legal system is also an issue in these type a cases...

[METALLICA679]

i agree, adding another level of government to healthcare, the private insurance agencies should get thier act together and revamt thier system with out the governments invovlment, we sohuldnt look to the gov't to do everything for us.

[ogasa4]

((1))YOU dont get it, health care should be treated like the post office, the military, the police and the municipal water: paid for by our tax money with no middle men like hmo and health care insurance. the Us is the only develope nation where health care and drug industries are major for-profit companies.

[j0eg0d]

I'm surprised by the people that defend these doctors. How many "they were just doing their job" remarks can I not laugh about here ?

What irony, for the only thing to be without a pricetag in this scenario, is the donation of the liver.

[thedakkster]

Hey Joe, I'm writing this comment just so you get an auto-email about your video getting new comments. That guy mlevoaddict is hiiiiiiiiilarious. Merry X-mas :)

[j0eg0d]

I was reading all of that and I can't figure why it became an argument ...

[thedakkster]

He wrote stupid things :)

[j0eg0d]

LOL - You asked a simple question. I don't know how it became that.

[thedakkster]

(after reading some of the comments) Obviously it's never as easy as pinning the blame on one single person or entity. Not one country is perfect when it comes to this. In the US's case, I think it's obvious that the habit of suing people and corps left and right has made everyone legally paranoid and that's severely handicapped your system. Actually I think that's a bigger evil than the pure capitalism of the health insurance system.

[glawlerx2]

Every one is sue happy! That is why no one is willing to do anything. Sure enough if she were to die after the fact some one would be sued (THE DOCTOR) Point your fingers at the doctors all you wish. They only work for the hospital that gives them their job. FOOLISH BULLSHIT

[j0eg0d]

I pointed my finger at the insurance company, the doctors, the hospital and the lawyers.

If I were this family - I would go after all of them.

[glawlerx2]

You would go after the doctors for what?

[j0eg0d]

... for doing nothing until they were paid.

[glawlerx2]

I highly disagree with you on this video. I do watch most of you videos and will continue to do so, but I think doing after the doctors because of all the red tape involved for them to act is flawed logic.

[Sense008]

A bit harsh, glawler, but you do have a point. When a doctor tries to save someone when he is off duty on the street and that person dies, there is bound to be some evil money grabbing lawyer who'll convince the family that they should sue the doctor who tried to save their loved ones. If I were a doctor, I would be very careful about what I do in these situations. That doesn't make it right though

[j0eg0d]

That's the America we live in - so instead of changing that, most of us would rather adjust the system and let it continue.

[glawlerx2]

It doesn't make it right. However, Most have families we have to think of first. Sad as it is, I believe, that if they did something there are possible consequences that effect more than just them! I see no need to even bring the doctors in on this unless the doctors have legally done something wrong in this case.

[mlevoaddict]

5/5 Stars.

Great Video.

[Mayberrygonewild]

The doctors are simply employees of the company that owns the hospital. All the equipment, materials, and medications necessary for such an operation are not their possessions. So essentially if they were to carry out the operation against the wishes of the parent company not only could they possibly be charged with theft but also lose their jobs. In my opinion socialized medicine is the most viable and effective means of ensuring such a situation doesn't arise again.

[mlevoaddict]

Mayberrygonewild,

You are wrong about socialized medicine. If the Healthcare system were on a Free Market, things would be much cheaper and affordable. It would also allow for more Charitable hospitals. It gives the power back to the Doctors and Patients, rather than the decision of greedy owners and beneficiaries of companies.

Socialism doesn't work, this is why both California and New York are bankrupt.

[j0eg0d]

There's all kinds of things wrong with socialized medicine that people are not hearing.

Just because something is free does not mean that it is good.

[thedakkster]

If socialism doesn't work, then why is Sweden so well off?

If socialized medicine doesn't work, then why are ALL European countries less sick than the United States of America (hint: ALL European countries use socialized medicine)?

Your incredibly stupid, broad generalizations make me laugh. Get some well-needed perspective outside of the US, will ya?

[mlevoaddict]

thedakkster,

How do you intend to fund such a massive program?

Lets put it this way... Companies are required to purchase HMO plans to offer to their employees if they have a certain amount of people they employ. Why not just cancel that and not force the company to pay for this and allow everyone to keep that money to all buy a Mercedes Benz.(Your answer is: But that's ridiculous... not everyone can have a Mercedes because it's physically impossible.)

[mlevoaddict]

The fact of the matter is, if not everyone can have a Mercedes... not everyone can have health care and other such things. It's a limited resource. You've based yourself on a very flawed theory and way of thinking. Don't call names and throw insults next time, it does nothing but prove your ignorance.

[thedakkster]

I repeat: I every single goddamn country in Europe (with approximately 730 million citizens) can be above the United States of America on the world list of citizen healthiness, WHILE USING SOCIALIZED MEDICINE, then I really don't think I'm the one who has to tell you how to fund it.

[thedakkster]

But I will anyway, because I'm so damn nice. How to fund it? Easy. Higher taxes and the right budget. First of all, the US could stop spending as much on their "defense" (I usually call it invading army, which pretty much amounts to offense, but that's another debate) as the rest of the world put together.

[thedakkster]

Check this out:

aeaweb [dot] org/annual_mtg_papers/2006/010­8_0800_0302 [dot] pdf

According to this Yale analyst, the US spent $500 billion for defense in 2005, as much as the rest of the world put together.

Secondly... ah, fuck it, that's really enough.

[thedakkster]

After this I was going to quote some articles of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (United Nations thingie... it's really neat, you should check it out), but then I realized that the US government has shat all over that declaration so many times, especially since 2001, that it's not really any use. I'm guessing you're just desensitized and don't have a good grasp of what are human rights anymore.

[mlevoaddict]

1. High taxes do nothing but create tyranny.

2. I agree that this is a war without merit.

3. Socialism doesn't work, at all, no matter what the case or scenario. You should read a book titled "Socialism: An Economic and Sociological Analysis" by Ludwig von Mises. That book will show in every situation, no matter how you approach it, that socialism does not work.

Last but not least, why is it that Socialists believe they can take care of people better than the people can themselves?

[mlevoaddict]

P.S. There is no need for the "Universal Declaration of Human Rights."

The only rights we need are Life, Liberty, the Pursuit of Happiness, and the rights we reserve in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

United Nations is trying to create a "New World Order" (one government). It is an evil creation that wishes to nullify the constitutions of all participating nations and remove their people's rights.

[thedakkster]

Holy fucking shit, you are one brainwashed American. You have my sympathy, pal. You truly do.

[thedakkster]

Hey Einstein. I live in a socialist country. It has been socialist since all Swedish people became able to vote in the early 1900s. We're doing just fine here, so you'll excuse me if I just take a big dump on your "proof" that socialism doesn't work, much like the US takes a dump on very basic human rights.

[mlevoaddict]

The US won't "take a dump" on 'Individual Rights' if Ron Paul becomes elected.

And wow, you're one very brainwashed person to not know what really causes wars and why we're really in the Middle East today.

Let me give you a hint... it's not a "War on Terrorism" and it's not a "War for Oil."

Apparently you don't have much knowledge and familiarity with fiat money, Central Banking Systems, and Economics.

[mlevoaddict]

The only reason you resort to insults and slander (as I said before) is because you're scared or don't like being proven wrong. Who said that Socialism fails immediately? You'll see in the long run. I'm sure you think that your government knows how to take care of you better than you can take care of yourself.

[thedakkster]

Like I've said, I live in a socialist state. Me and every other one of us nine million Swedes know that socialism works and we know it simply by living. Our experience simply show that you are wrong, much like all Europeans' experience with socialized medicine prove that it's better than the American system. Fuck it, we even have the statistical numbers on our side if you need more proof.

[mlevoaddict]

Taxes = legal plunder = stealing = sin. The welfare system doesn't work, and neither does socialized health care. It's taking by force from the hands (fruits of labor) from one person and wrongfully gives it to others. People should be able to make the decision to give whatever amount they want to whatever charity they want. For all you know, you're paying for the health care and benefits of a rapist/murderer that's exploiting the system.

[thedakkster]

A sin? Oooooooooooooooooooookaaaaaaaa­aaaaaay...

I guess it just figures that your a religious zealot too.

[mlevoaddict]

So you're saying stealing isn't wrong?

You have issues.

[thedakkster]

And why do you bring up the current war all the time? That's not the issue here. Healthcare is the issue. I insult you because it's fun and you are clearly very brainwashed and delusional. That's the only conclusion I can come to when literally everything you've told me goes against all of my life's experience and even the official health statistics of our countries.

[mlevoaddict]

You can insult me all you want, it does nothing but show your ignorance and has no relevance to the argument. You can continue to demoralize yourself for all I care.

It's obvious Ron White was thinking of you when he did his "You Can't Fix Stupid" tour.

[j0eg0d]

Sweden is about the size of one of our States, so I'd say it works best on a smaller scale.

Canada is the model they want to use and part of the trouble with it there, is that it's ONE agency for an entire country of people. The waiting list for treatments surgeries even a simple MRI is months long.

If they want to add this into our current system of private insurance, it'll do as well as our Medicare already does, but we just can't replace this huge private sector with a single system.

[thedakkster]

That's what I was thinking. When did the hippocratic oath start including stuff about "...but not until we get paid". Of course they shouldn't work for free but sometimes stuff like this gets ridiculous. I'd definitely blame the hospital people (doctors, lawyers, etc) at least as much as I'd blame the insurance companies.

[j0eg0d]

I think Americans have become desensitized to common sense.

We've adjusted so well to greed, lawyers and other bullshit that the majority of us simply accept that nothing could be done without someone getting paid first.

[justin1o0]

Idk but I hope we can figure it out soon so shit like this doesn't happen again...

[j0eg0d]

I think too many people have to have things happen to them before they ever understand the problems or errors of it.

It's a lack of imagination really ...

it's nearly impossible to make certain people comprehend what the rest of us can easily see in our own heads.

[Gimmeabreakman]

Hey Joe, Important issue.

I'm sure we'd disagree about many minor points, but health care is really something worth talking about.

Victor

[j0eg0d]

I like that Japan is open to alternative medicine & treatments. Our insurance & pharmaceutical companies are completely against the idea.

Hell, we grew up in a time when most things could be treated at home ... now it's like you need a psych degree just to deal with hyperactivity.

[Gimmeabreakman]

But it ain't cheap here. AND, get this, if you get hit by a car, the National Health Insurance will NOT cover it! Ain't that a kicker!

[j0eg0d]

LOL - What loophole ignores someone getting hit by a car ?

Do they consider that "bad luck" (?) with "Acts Of Bad Luck" not being covered ?

[crazycatfguy]

I don't see the difference because they were running their business as a for profit institution just like the insurance company. They can recoup emergency room expenses which they have to do I think by law with overcharging insurance companies but 100 thousand dollar operations would be harder to subsidize that way.

[j0eg0d]

Hospitals are money pits. They over-charge on everything from the ambulance ride to giving you a damn aspirin.

It's the same in the pharmaceutical industry ...

but changing healthcare into the socialized monster they want it to be, doesn't prevent any of this ... it simply adjusts to it by paying whatever price is created with our taxes.