Everyone who kills, kills for a reason. Henry's reasons were monstruous, the numbers greater and he did not only kill. That is, assuming for the moment, Richard killed the bastards. If he did it, he did it to protect the peace.
Everyone who kills, kills for a reason. Henry's reasons were monstruous, the numbers greater and he did not only kill. That is, assuming for the moment, Richard killed the bastards. If he did it, he did it to protect the peace.
Margaret Beaufort was very powerful and influential. She was married to Lord Stanley whose betrayal of Richard turned the Battle of Bosworth for the Tudor cause. Also, since Henry Tudor married Elizabeth of York, he certainly could not declare the princes' illegitimate as Richard had done. He needed them safely out of the way. All accounts show that Richard was devoted to Edward; why would he kill his sons?
Margaret Beaufort was not actually powerful except for scheming. Her husband certainly was but are you suggesting that he (probably arrested on 13 June) did away with the princes.
@nettiefayeb Yeah I don't believe it was King Richard.. and may I add, I have great respect for Richard - during battle when he just went for it....and being betrayed like that is treacherous.
From at least 1066 on, they all seem like evil vicious bastards, constantly plotting against their own family members. Brothers killing brothers, uncles killing nephews, husbands and wives plotting against each other, sons plotting against fathers, cousins constantly at war with each other. And half of them were foreigners who barely spoke English. Long live the kings!
You obviously have very little knowledge both about the kings before 1066 and those afterwards as many of the latter group do not fit the things you mention.
And even if that were the case: this is how human beings are. Long live humanity!!!
@mainsqueeze1977 We only have some people's word for that. There has been new evidence to show that Richard did not murder his nephews and that Harry Stafford Duke of Buckingham may have done it or Margaret Beaufort mother of King Henry VII may have orchestrated the murder.
Though I am a admirer and defender of Richard, I must say that this "new evidence" does not exist. The last "new" item was Mancini discovered in the 1930s and inimical to Richard. The existing evidence however is not perfectly conclusive. That the princes didn't survive the tower is most probable and if so the most probable explanation is that Richard had them killed. Buckingham certainly would have even less qualms about the deed but it s unlikely that he did it alone and noone complaining.,,
... And as for Margaret Beaufort: she had an interest in any Yorkist's death but she had zero power to actually have the princes killed expect by convincing, bribing etc. those that had some power (Brakenbury, Buckingham, Richard) but this only brings us back to where we were before.
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CuteCatFaith 3 months ago
@mainsqueeze I don't think henry was, henry killed people for a reason. Richard killed his nephews for no reason what so ever
thenachosofcp1 6 months ago
@thenachosofcp1
Everyone who kills, kills for a reason. Henry's reasons were monstruous, the numbers greater and he did not only kill. That is, assuming for the moment, Richard killed the bastards. If he did it, he did it to protect the peace.
mainsqueeze1977 4 months ago
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Everyone who kills, kills for a reason. Henry's reasons were monstruous, the numbers greater and he did not only kill. That is, assuming for the moment, Richard killed the bastards. If he did it, he did it to protect the peace.
mainsqueeze1977 4 months ago
Margaret Beaufort was very powerful and influential. She was married to Lord Stanley whose betrayal of Richard turned the Battle of Bosworth for the Tudor cause. Also, since Henry Tudor married Elizabeth of York, he certainly could not declare the princes' illegitimate as Richard had done. He needed them safely out of the way. All accounts show that Richard was devoted to Edward; why would he kill his sons?
nettiefayeb 6 months ago
@nettiefayeb
Margaret Beaufort was not actually powerful except for scheming. Her husband certainly was but are you suggesting that he (probably arrested on 13 June) did away with the princes.
mainsqueeze1977 6 months ago
@nettiefayeb Yeah I don't believe it was King Richard.. and may I add, I have great respect for Richard - during battle when he just went for it....and being betrayed like that is treacherous.
Nicollie1062 5 months ago
From at least 1066 on, they all seem like evil vicious bastards, constantly plotting against their own family members. Brothers killing brothers, uncles killing nephews, husbands and wives plotting against each other, sons plotting against fathers, cousins constantly at war with each other. And half of them were foreigners who barely spoke English. Long live the kings!
MagiMysteryTour 6 months ago
@MagiMysteryTour
You obviously have very little knowledge both about the kings before 1066 and those afterwards as many of the latter group do not fit the things you mention.
And even if that were the case: this is how human beings are. Long live humanity!!!
mainsqueeze1977 6 months ago
@mainsqueeze1977 Yeah I'm obviously an ignorant idiot. Thanks for setting me straight.
MagiMysteryTour 6 months ago
@MagiMysteryTour
I didn't say that. Just grabbing at straws. Don't you think I have read the Buckingham and Beaufort arguments?
mainsqueeze1977 6 months ago
The most evil king in English history actually was Henry VIII.
mainsqueeze1977 9 months ago 2
@mainsqueeze1977 We only have some people's word for that. There has been new evidence to show that Richard did not murder his nephews and that Harry Stafford Duke of Buckingham may have done it or Margaret Beaufort mother of King Henry VII may have orchestrated the murder.
nettiefayeb 6 months ago
Though I am a admirer and defender of Richard, I must say that this "new evidence" does not exist. The last "new" item was Mancini discovered in the 1930s and inimical to Richard. The existing evidence however is not perfectly conclusive. That the princes didn't survive the tower is most probable and if so the most probable explanation is that Richard had them killed. Buckingham certainly would have even less qualms about the deed but it s unlikely that he did it alone and noone complaining.,,
mainsqueeze1977 6 months ago
... And as for Margaret Beaufort: she had an interest in any Yorkist's death but she had zero power to actually have the princes killed expect by convincing, bribing etc. those that had some power (Brakenbury, Buckingham, Richard) but this only brings us back to where we were before.
mainsqueeze1977 6 months ago
@mainsqueeze1977 Charles I for the english civil war
199019852007 4 months ago
@199019852007
So Charles is evil because his parliament rebelled against him? Give me a break!
mainsqueeze1977 4 months ago
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@199019852007
So Charles is evil because his parliament rebelled against him? Give me a break!
mainsqueeze1977 4 months ago