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Fucking bullshit, we cowered behind our walls. The wall were build so mongolian and what ever normatic tribes out there would be unable to terrorize chinese farmers. it was built for defense and for peace. fuck you losers!
stop making bullshit videos............. u idiot.... u failed ur history..... ecspecially china history.... tibet is one part of china during Qing Dynasty ......XP
@12345679007 When the foreigners of Manchuria conquered China, and then invaded Tibet, that did not make Tibet part of China, it made China and Tibet part of the Manchurian Empire. Apparently you failed both history, and grammar?
@phagpa108 Going by your logic, Tibet is now part of the Han Empire. So deal with that. But I'd rather say each successive Dynasty inherits the territories of the previous Dynasty.
Mongolia never conquered China. Don't apply modern notions of countries to reinterpret history. Just because humans didn't have light bulbs back 500 years ago does not make humans stupid.
Mongolia as a nation never existed since the Western concept of nationality and ethnicity in the 19th century.
Mongol tribes conquered China. They became the emperor of China who then annexed Tibet. They ruled China but it was still China.
@icouldcareless50 -- Indeed you are correct when you say that it was only in the 19th Century that the western concept of ethnicity and nationality existed. So there was no such place as 'China' before the 19th century. As you say...
Cwang93, sorry to hear this seems corrupted to you. Hope one day you are able to study the facts.. truth cannot be changed just because you do not understand it.
No, the conquest of Tibet and China, by Imperial Mongolia, do not make either of these modern nations Mongolian. Though that would make more sense than the Mongol Conquest of Tibet and China being used to explain that Tibet is part of China.
Ai Weiwei concludes, Historically, Chinese have destroyed Tibetan monasteries and statues—that's a simple fact. Now Tibetans have started destroying Chinese property in Lhasa and they have attacked Chinese military personnel. We are compelled to ask, where did this Tibetan hatred come from? What have Chinese done to create this? If Chinese do not know the answer to this question we need to know why.
Ai Weiwei, the artistic consultant behind the "Bird's Nest" Olympic stadium in Beijing and one of China's most respected artists, asks the question. "Most important is to truly respect ethnic minorities, and to admit all of the mistakes perpetrated against them in the past. In all events, this latest unrest [in Tibet] at the very least speaks to the failure of ethnic minority policies. We have never fully understood their religion and their lifestyle.
Ai Weiwei concludes, Historically, Chinese have destroyed Tibetan monasteries and statues—that's a simple fact. Now Tibetans have started destroying Chinese property in Lhasa and they have attacked Chinese military personnel. We are compelled to ask, where did this Tibetan hatred come from? What have Chinese done to create this? If Chinese do not know the answer to this question we need to know why.
Chilli, you know who Ai Weiwei is? One of China's greatest artists, who designed the Birds Nest? Never heard of him? Here is what he says about the Chinese Government's Crimes in Tibet.
Ai Weiwei says : Chinese live in a society where ideology is ..controlled, especially when it touches upon the issues of ethnic minorities. If the ... occupying Han treat the ethnic minorities as liberated serfs, there's no hope of resolving the issue. Tibetans have their own religion, their own path of cultural development and their own ways of thinking. The Tibetan people are now chided for being lawbreakers, .... This is only going to intensify the hatred between the Han and ethnic peoples."
if we should free tibet why dont you north americans go back to europe and give the land back to the native indians. do you know how you offended the UN an invaded Iraq.
I see, you believe that China's invasion of Tibet is like the European colonization of North America? Funny thing about that comparison. The Sioux never invaded Washington DC and ruled the Colonists for 200 years. The world DEMANDS China withdraw from Occupied Tibet. Tibetans Demand that. Native Americans have real autonomy in North America. The Police in Native Areas are ALL NATIVE. In Tibet the CHINESE colonists rule Tibet..
Quomingdang Government Documents from 1945-1949 show that there were only 500 Chinese families in all of Tibet. You are lieing. Why is it important to Chinese to 'prove' (with lies) that Tibet was part of China-- when history shows any educated person the facts. The Chinese governments attempts to lie about history have convinced most Chinese. But history remains unchanged. Tibet was never part of China until the 1950 invasion.
I see no protests in California demanding for California to secede the Union and be part of Mexico. In fact millions of Mexicans are now illegally in the US, becuase the US is richer, freer and better place to live than Mexico. Yet Tibetans are running away from occupied Tibet, even though they are being shot by Chinese when they try to flee. Have you been to Mexico? Or Tibet? I dont think so, you are an ignorant child who has grown up with Chinese Communist Propaganda. Very sad for you.
that's because the majority in california iis white americans not mexican latinos. you want to hold an election in california where only mexicans are allowed to vote?
Chilli, have you been to Tibet? The Tibetans HATE Chinese. They always have and always will. No amount of Chinese money on railroads will change that. They do not want Chinese in Tibet. And the Chinese i met in Tibet were ONLY there to make money. They HATED being in Tibet. Chinese have colonized Tibet by sending millions of Chinese to Tibet since the 1980's. But the policy is failing because Chinese do not want to live at that altitude. No matter how much money the Governmwent spends.
You did not watch Chinese Communist Party TV after the April protests in Lhasa? Why did the goverment show only Tibetans attacking Chinese? More than 100 Tibtans were shot by Chinese police during the protests-- BEFORE Tibetans attacked Chinese. Why did not CCTV show that? Liar
we did in 1951. what about qing dynasty and even though, but china's still china when it was ruled by mongolians, so. if you disagree with that, your saying that, india is no longer india since it got occupied by the british
Historians-- who do not belong to Chinese Communist Party-- know that Chinese never lived in Tibet until the Chinese invasion of Tibet after 1950. Why? Because Tibet was a seperate country
Chilli, Funny about that. When I speak with Tibetans in Lhasa they tell me that Chinese treat them like dogs, and that they hate being colonized by Chinese. Tibetans I meet say they are NOT Chinese.
because they want to be free for some reason. what if china did free tibet. where will these people go? they will starve to death. they dont have enough resources to feed 3 million people. tibetan farmers just have merely enough to feed themselves. the rest of the food came from the rest of china. you know what was tibet like before chinese takeover? dalai lama treated them like dogs, slaves had to eat with dogs. the average lifespan was only 35, and 67 now. a double in less than 60 years
Chilli "They Want to be free for some reason" ? You are on another planet Chilli. Yes, all people want to be free. Chinese. Tibetans. Americans. Native Americans. Iraqis. And when China thinks it can beat Tibetans into wanting to be Chinese, then the Chinese government is lieing to itself and its people.
plus tibetan farmers and peasants pay no taxes, and their couples are allowed to have as many children as they want, while the rest of china are only allowed to have one. free tibet? free iraq! free afghanistan. boycott london olympics 2012!
And despite all that 'China has done for Tibet' Tibetans still hate the Chinese. You cannot change that by beating Tibetans. You cannot make Tibetans love Tibet by shooting them. Iraqis and CHINESE pay 10,000$ a person to be smuggled into the US. Do you see any Americans or Iraqis coming to China as illegal Immigrants? Why not? Yet 50,000 Chinese a year are smuggled into the US. Why? Because America is FREE er than China. Or Iraq. Not everything the US does is perfect. Many mistakes.
It is time for ordinary chinese to be able to diffrentiate between loving The Great China and loving CCP. Patriotism and Partism are two diffrent things. Do not let CCP blur the line between these two.
Czrsilp-- YES. Chinese Patriots must rise up to overthrow the rule of the butchers of the CCP. China cannot become a great nation as long as the CCP works with Foreign Corporations to exploit the chinese people as slave labor for the profit of the corporations and the Princes of the Party.
CCP will never let chinese people live free like rest of people of the world. CCP will always keep chinese people on leash,and never let them move on on their lives, reminding them of past foriengn domination, making them feel like rest of the world is out there to get China. No wonder chinese are so defensive. This so called "Nationalism" result of this.
i believe our gov. should tolerate Buddhism more and other religions such as Taoism and Confucianism cuz like it was said in the openin cermony of olympics, those r wat our history's views&believes are build on. but i also know that my gov has been spending money helpng to bring a better life and modernization to Tibet which once use to be a rural area w. barely any modern structure. but now it has buildings, bridges, railroads
Xrtori-- Party will never tolerate freedom of religion because any such freedom challenges the Party's dictatorship. The Party's first job is to remain in power-- not to support China. Many times in Tibet I have seen 'all that money the govt spends in Tibet'. The STONE CUTTERS working on the potala repairs are 100% Chinese. No Tibetans. What does that tell the Tibetan people? That the money being spent by Chinese in Tibet is for Chinese, not Tibetans. If Chinese want Tibetans to FEEL Chinese...
um i must say 1st of all if u r chinese, u r a disgrace to our people.
communist propaganda? okay let me tell u something. i live in america and i been here when i was 8yrs old. so i dont think im "brainwashed" by chinese propaganda.
have u heard of the different tribes china have that dates back to like the beginning of the earth. tibet&mongolia and many places around china are all chinese people only different tribes, like han ren.
Um. I must say, child, you are oddly ignorant of Chinese history if you are Chinese. "Like the beginning of the Earth". Ok. Back to college you go. This time, try to read a book? Did Tang China rule Tibet? No. Did China's first emperor conqueror Tibet? No. Are the Mongols Chinese? No. So when did China conquer Tibet? 1950. Do Tibetans say they are Chinese? No. Have you been to Tibet? No.... so child, get an education.
um tibet108. how old r u? and i would have to admit im not super knowledgeable of the tibet situation cuz im only in high school. but im china therefore my loyalty is to my country. but thats not the only reason why i support china. i know in the 1st dynasty of china, china was only a small part. but do u know if u trace back, most of asia like korea, japan, viet were all originally chinese ppl. its like when british ppl came to US and formed whats now America.
Xtori, you will benefit from studying history. British (and many other europeans) came to America, but that does not make America part of UK.
Thousands of years ago the great Chinese nation had MUCH influence on Japan and Korea, but that does NOT make Japan 'Chinese'.
Your Loyalty to China is great. But A POWERFUL China cannot be built on lies about history. Tibet was not part of China until we invaded it in 1950. Thats a fact. Lying about it weakens China.
The first thing you learn in Tibet, sadly, is that Tibetans are frightened of Chinese and that they hate them. Why? Because Chinese treat Tibetans like dogs. I have watched Chinese women spit in the faces of Tibetans to drive them out of their restaurants. The Tibetan men were so afraid (after 50 years of oppression, murder and Torture) that they said nothing to the woman. Watching them walk out with Chinese spit on their faces, that they did not wipe off shows the truth about China in Tibet.
Have you been to Tibet Hitting Stick? Have you read even one book about Tibetan history? Do you speak enough Tibetan to know what Tibetans think about the Chinese invasion, conquest, and colonization of Tibet?
Hitting Stick the Grand Inquisitor. What Nationality are you? Are you Yellow or are you White? (as you phrase it) You Answer A question, if asking them is so important.Can you imagine that Chinese who care about the future of China, want to see a strong China, built on truth, not a weak China built on Lies?
Don't be so proud about taking over China if you don't want want them to take you over. the only thing worse than communist propaganda is Dalai Lama propaganda.
Santa Claus-- So what is Dalai Lama Propaganda? Its a fact of history that the Chinese Communist Party killed more of its own people than any other government in History. Are you so ignorant you do not know that?
Sleeper-- stay asleep. So Tibetans ruled themselves before the Chinese invasion of 1950. Exactly. Thats the point. Whether Tibetan self rule before the invasion was good, bad, or indifferent, Any Tibetan ruler was, is and will always be preferred, by Tibetans to even the BEST Chinese ruler. Hello. If your argument were true then the US should invade China since the Chinese Communist Party Rulers of China have murdered 70 million Chinese. Worse government than the Nazi.
In the end of 18 century, the Chinese central government designed the snow lion flag, and then the Chinese emporor awarded this flag to Tibet troop to encourage them fighting against invaders. Ever since then This snow lion flag has been regarded as a symbol of tibet autonomous region.
The history of tibet flag itself speaks silenty for the truth that tibet has been a part of China in the last hundreds of years.
In the end of 18 century, the Chinese central government designed the snow lion flag, and then the Chinese emporor awarded this flag to Tibet troop to encourage them fighting against invaders. Ever since then This snow lion flag has been regarded as a symbol of tibet autonomous region.
The history of tibet flag itself speaks silenty for the truth that tibet has been a part of China in the last hundreds of years.
HKing-- This is a lie. Snow Lion Flag with Rising sun was designed during the time of the 13th Dalai Lama--and Chinese had nothing to do with it. There were Japanese military trainers training the independent Tibetan Army at that time, and THEY influenced the flag by contributing the rising sun. LOL Have you been to Tibet? Have you read a single history about Tibet? What makes you think you can drop lies like this and not be called on it. You are either foolish, uneducated, or malevolent.
The facts of history as presented in this video are not 'propaganda' they are facts. Propaganda means that facts have been distorted, for political purposes. The Chinese state twists facts of history when it says Tibet "has been part of China" since the 13th Century. That is not a fact. So when the Government says that, it is a lie. It is propaganda. This video tries to counter government propaganda amongst Chinese.
Thank you so very much! I am Manchurian and Tibetan Buddhist....We Manchus have never dared to take over Tibet like the Communist Chinese have wrote. China's claim that Tibet is part of China was never true and I know this from 5 generations of royal historical context. My family was there when various emperors made delagtional meetings with the various Dalai Lamas, Panchen Lamas, and Karmapas. We have always had a peaceful co-existance until the communist Chinese made there BS Propaganda!
Draco, I am curious about Manchu language. Did the Manchus, in 1612, have an alphabet? Or did they use characters? The Dalai Lama says that Manchurian Emperors developed a Priest-Patron relationship with his predecessors-- and that the relationship between them cannot be explained by contemporary international law, which is all based on western concepts. He says that relationship was religious, not political. Your comment?
Manchurian language is mostly base on Mongolian language but the writing system is base on Chinese. Qing Dynasty relationship with Tibet is base on religious.
Well Van I was hoping to hear some details from a Manchurian. In fact I hear that the Manchu's wrote an imperial history in Manchu, not Chinese, and using an alphabhet, not characters. So I was hoping to have some details on that from a Manchu speaker....
No, I said it base on Mongolian Language therefore, it base on Mongolian alphabet. But the writing style from top to bottom is similar to Chinese system. At the same time, Qing Emperor used both Chinese & Manchu language to govern China. P.S. How do you know I'm not Manchurian?
Van, actually I just heard from a Manchu (who says they are Manchu, which you have not done) about this and he says that the Manchu used four languages, but their primary form of writing was with the Uighur alphabet, which was also used by the Mongols. That concurs with what I read in histories. The issue here is that it was a Manchu Empire, ruled by Manchu, for Manchu Benefit. And the Manchu were not Chinese--as the Chinese confirmed when they murdered millions of Manchu after after 1912.
Although I'm not a Manchu speaker, from what my father told me, my ancestor indeed used three different language (Manchu, Chinese, & Mongolian). But fourth one, please tell me which one (Maybe Russian?). When you mean Uighur, do you mean Uyghur script? Anyways, Qing Dynasty, were indeed rule by Manchu aristocratic. But, time goes by most of Manchu Elites were assimilated into Chinese culture. When they said, murdered millions of Manchu, they meant aristocratic personal army & family members.
The truth is, you don't really care for human rights. It is not something that you don't have, in fact you probably have better living standards than most of your TAR counterparts inside Tibet itself, and not just Tibet but all over the poor village regions of China. But.. you're not fighting for their rights. No, you are far from it. You're fighting for your right to brainwash those people into believing this so called "historical truth" that is portrayed in your video here.
Daisoir, Who do you assume I am? Your assumptions are wrong. This video present one fact about Chinese history-- that China's borders (when it was ruled by Chinese) never encompassed Tibet.Thats a fact of history. Until the Mongol conquest the Tibetans never submitted to ANY foreign power. Can Chinese say that? No. China was invaded and raped by foreigners for millennia and now distorts that history to its own people. No one believes Chinese lies that Mongol conquests were Chinese ones. Wake up
What is this? I don't believe there are now Exilists among Exilist Tibetans. It looks like there's a new youth movement for a Free Tibet- one that is starting to fray from the conjectures of the dalai lama himself.. which is ironically against lamaism in it's pseudo-"bhuddist" form. So no longer is the fight for religious freedom, or theocratic rule, it's about the freedom for a political Tibet, not the freedom of human rights.
Daisoir, its easy to say that this video is untrue (though an educated person might find a more intelligent way to do so), but impossible for your to prove that belief you have is true. Read a book. Tibet was never conquered by Chinese until 1950. China's dictators lie to the Chinese people about this so they do not have to expose the nature of their rule. China is ruled now by murdering dictators. The Great Nation of China will throw off these yellow running dogs who rule them. Free China!
good video hope the chinese learn something of it..but there needs to be a correction the tibetans are not thier brother and sisiter and and will never like to be seen in the same one nation as china..because they have always had a seperate identity..
Yes Tashi, Tibetans have always had a separate identity. But what will you do now that the Dalai Lama says "Past is Past" and urges Tibetans to remain within China, IF real autonomy within China is granted. He keeps saying that its good for Tibetans to remain inside of China (even though history proves Tibet was never part of China before 1950). So, what to do about that? For that to happen Chinese and Tibetans must become brothers and sisters.
my friend with all due respect to hishollines so many things has happend among the tibetans and the chinese that the current n the coming generation wil find it realy hard to live side by side with the chinese. and if something like that happens i guess the tibetans will someway or the other please themselves to live with the chines butitsthe chinese who will never give the tibetans thier rights nwill look down at them.and looking at the new tibtn generation i dnt think they r happy withautonomy
Yes Tashi, I agree with all your write. IF His Holiness can convince Chinese leaders to allow real Autonomy in Tibet and stop the colonization of Tibet by Chinese, then because of respect for Dalai Lama, most Tibetans would compromise and accept real autonomy. IF HHDL dies in exile last chance for such compromise also dies. China has unique final chance to resolve Tibet issue now. But IF they do not want to resolve, if they are playing HHDL, to keep him quite, as they colonize:events now in play
its gud to see that u have a gud idea bout all this stuff..yes because of the respect for HHDL the tibetans are quiet unfortunately the chinese for some rason dont understand it. but what i can predict is if china is unable to resolve the issue at the moment umm unfortunately i guess i must say that they are asking fortrouble even if they are econimicaly or defensively strong. as forthe tibetans every tibetan will fight for thier rights and will continues and follow from generations to genrtions
Tashi, Tibetans agree with your assessment. There will be violence for decades as Tibetans fight for independence (like In Chechnya) unless current Dalai Lama closes a deal for real autonomy within China, within his lifetime. Experts even in China) understand this. But the Chinese Communist Party has imposed its will through mass murder for 50 years. It sees no need to compromise now. A great tragedy is unfolding. While Chinese people are ignorant of what has been done in their name
i tottaly agree man.. and yeah i checked out ur page.. i wasnt surprised to see all the commets by the chinese!! by now u musthave got a clear idea what an unbelivable bunch of ppl they are..imagine that whom the tibetans are up against..lol hopefully the chinese wake up!!
Tashi, Yes it's been educational to engage in discussion with Chinese, who believe that Tibet has been part of China since the Yuan dynasty. Their belief is so strong they are not willing to even study history. It's scary when you understand a billion people DEMAND the world accept their version of history even when that version is a lie. This discussion exposes the true nature of the Chinese nation. At least some Party leaders know the lies about Tibetan history are lies. The people don't.
i know exactly what u mean thats the only things which has been stopping in resolving the tibetan cause thats why his hollines always says that the change has to come from inside china he refers to the chinese people who have been kept away from the truth..wish all the young chinese who try to be very angry and who have been shouting and hurting the pro tibetan supporters around the world get to meet the dalai lama. i am sure they will be convinced immediately what is wrong and whats right!
Native and Americans and Hawaiians frequently protest how they are treated by the US Government, today. When were 200 Native Americans shot dead for speaking freely? 100 years ago, Not today. You are distorting the facts, because you want to support the actions of the Chinese government. These lies convince no one except a few Chinese. Most Chinese want to be free of the fascist rule of the Chinese Communist Party, just like Tibetans. The Communist Party will be destroyed by the Chinese People.
Also my Friend when you say things about the protest in March, sounds like you were just there experienced it. Man, I wish I had the money to go there during the protest! Good for you!!!
china has spend billion of dollars trying to fix tibet and make it modern. that space pic, u probably got it from some US site that want china to fall cuz they are afraid china will be more powerful then them. The US hate communish therefore the CIA has been working w. dali lama. They only don't express their dislike of china in open cuz china's a big trading partner.
Extori-- Yes, Billions to make Tibet Modern. Am sure thats the crap you have been taught to believe. Very sad to see you so ignorant. But did they teach you about the 50 million Chinese and Tibetans the Party murdered? Are you paid 5 Mao to write this crap or do you really believe it?
crap i taught to believe? have u been to tibet? ive seen some pictures of tibet and some places are amazing. have u heard all of dali's speeches. there's one recently when he was interviewed about olympics. he himself said he wants modernization in tibet and he know the chinese has been giving that to tibet. even he agrees-.- plus u know how he always says i don't want independence, he just wants his religion. well he doesn't want independence cuz he know china can give tibet wat they dont have.
Xtori-- Yes you should go to Tibet. I lived there several years. IF China were using the money it spends in Tibet to develop the country some Tibetans would be happy with Chinese presence. You think Tibetans think they are Chinese? Go talk to Tibetans.
But--for Example ALL the stone workers on the reconstruction of the Potala were CHINESE. Chinese brought to Potala to cut stone, when Tibetans dont have jobs?
If you want Tibetans to love China quit shooting them. Quit taking their jobs.
like i said before i do feel sorry for the tibetians too cuz i know&admit my gov. is rather harsh on them. but they are a tribe of chinese ppl¬ every1 there wants independence. only dali's followers and ppl who have been influenced by it. There's many things out there that proves china is doing good for tibet while others disagree. the truth comes from the tibetians thats why i personally want to go there&visit s/t. but for now i believe both
Dear Xtori am glad to hear you have enough heart to feel sorry for what the Party has done to the Tibetans. Tibetans do NOT feel they are tribe of Chinese. Chiense feel that. You feel that. But Tibetans do not feel that. They feel Chinese and Tibetans are seperate people. Tibetans use alphabet, Chinese use Characters. Tibetan history prooves (for Tibetans) that They were never part of China. I understand you disagree. Please go to Tibet and talk to Some Tibetans. Listen to them , & to your heart
lol some map you have, i wonder who made it, and what time period is it, hmm theres the FORMER USSR, so that will make it after 1990. ironic isnt it, you say tibet dont belong to china and show a fake map when i say tibet belongs to china since the yuan dynasty from world history archive. kid do some research before you humiliate your self.
USAF-- Young Person, its you who needs to do some research. If the Mongol Conquest of Tibet (and then 40 years later, China) somehow makes Tibet part of China, then so are Korea, and Mongolia. Ask the Mongols if their conquest of Tibet made it part of China. Ask the Tibetans. Having a Billion Chinese belief that the Mongol Conquest of Tibet 600 years ago, is proof Tibet is part of China today, means nothing. Tibet is part of China because Chinese conquered it, in 1950. Historians know this.
pshh, then should i say united states shouldnt be united states but belongs to the natives? if thats so, the every country in the Continental America should be kicked back to Europe. tibet was a part of china even after the mongol conquest because the hans took back china and it still belongs to china. its just fact face it.
USAF- The Hans, never took anything from Tibet. T he Manchu and the Mongols had relations with the Tibetans, but the Chinese were just slaves of the Mongols and the Manchu. Just Face it. You and most Chinese are angry because during the past 700 years Chinese were ruled by Foreigners (Manchu and Mongols) for 500 years. Chinese are boiling inside because they know 'the great Chinese nation' lived as slaves for centuries. So you lie and try to make Mongol Conquest Chinese. LOL
lol with out the chinese advance technology the mongols wouldnt even get out of asia. and manchu are the ones screwed china up. qing dynasty is the ones who burned the largest fleet ever assembled by man. and hans are the ones built the forbidden city. it was because of the manchu china was in the hand of foreigners without advance. by the way the manchu are not foreigners, they are one of 54 ethnic in china, that goes for you tibetans too. slavery? tibet is famous for that.
USA-- again you show complete lack of knowledge re Mongols. Mongols had Uygher scribes and Arab technicians when Genghis conquered towards EU. That happened BEFORE the conquest of the Song. Which is it "Manchu screwed China up"? or "Manchu are not foreigners"? Can't be both. Manchus were foreigners who ruled Chinese as slaves. Some chinese were GOOD slaves, and helped Chinese dictatorship. Slavery, yes Chinese are famous for that, today. Read the headlines.
Tibetan Relations with Sung China and with the Mongols - Can't find this one.
In China Among Equals - Can't find this one.
The Mongol Empire and its Legacy - Read this one.
China: A new history - Can't find this one
History of Tibet" by the fifth Dalai Lama - can't find this one but instead I read "Why the Dalai Lama Matters: His Act of Truth as the Solution for China, Tibet, and the World"
Tibetan Relations with Sung China and with the Mongols, is an article by Luciano Petech IN the book edited by Morris Rossabi, which is called China Among Equals: The Middle Kingdom and Its Neighbors, published Univeristy of California Press. Its on Amazon. And in big university libraries-- would not be in small town libraries.
What did you read in The Mongol Empire and Its Legacy that "prooved" some how the Mongol Conquest made Tibet "Part of China"?
lol It's seems you assume a lot of things. Just by one simple question & you are already assume all that? Okay, Yuan Dynasty conquered Tibet. Yuan Emperor had given them the right to the Tibetans to selves govern their country but they still belong & are subject to the empire. They must pay tribute with luxury goods, such as, gold, silver & etc. From this, Ming Dynasty had the similar deal with Tibet, instead being conquered, Tibet were subject to Ming Dynasty. Hence, Tibet part of Ming Dynasty.
Van-No, Tibet was never conquered by the Ming, was never part of the Ming. Look at the Ming Period maps in Jonathan Spence's book "The Search for Modern China"-- a primary source for any freshman course on Chinese history in US. They show Tibet outside of the Ming Borders. Yes, PRC scholars try to interpret Ming history as 'proving' Tibet was under the MIng. But that revisionist interpretation has found no traction amongst free scholars. Even Chinese sholars leaving PRC change their tune...
I'll repost. No, I don't mean conquered by Ming. There is differences between subject to & conquered by Ming. In the beginning of Ming Dynasty, Tibet have the right to self-govern, & military assistances in exchange for paying tribute to the Ming. However, sending the Imperial army to protect Dalai Lama & Tibet, proves too costly to Ming Dynasty. Hence, Ming relinquished Tibet as their provinces. With the threat in North East (Manchurians) & East (Japan), they see in no point keeping Tibet.
Historians, like Jonathan Spence, in The Search for Modern China, do not say that Tibet was subject to the Ming. Modern China's conflation of 'paying tribute' as though it came from 'subject nations' is innaccurate. Thailand for example, "paid tribute" to the Manchu. The Thai kings were even 'approved' by the Manchu Emperors. Does that make Thailand part of China? No. See Sarasin Viraphol "Tribte and Profit: Sino Siamese Trade 1652-1853". "Tribute Missions" were just foreign trade missions.
Here a quote for you, "All history is a lie. It depends on who does the talking, & who does the listening." Even if Spence, research about Ming Dynasty, how do you know his point of view was objective / subjective? He may have interpret the some of the facts but not all. During the rise of Ming, the history between Ming & Tibet was so short, it was considered insignificant by most historians. Of course, Ming being proud country, they considered they never taken Tibet as one of their province.
Hence, when you google image for Ming Dynasty, all the map shows Tibet never belong to Ming. But if you were to type Ming in Chinese character, you see things differently. As for the Thailand, it was never conquered by Qing, nor conquered by Ming either. Therefore, the modern day China never considered Thailand as their provinces. Instead a good trading partner. For Tibet tribute mission are considered tribute to the Empire. Not a foreign trade mission between China & Tibet.
Finally. I finished reading the books. I finally understand why you came the conclusion why Tibet doesn't belong to China. I have to say, I disagree with you. Tibet belongs to China.
I disagree. While Tibet was a free nation, it is no longer. China has conqoured it, and I believe that if a nation is captured by another, it automatically loses all its soverignty. It is the only way we can keep the right to conquest alive. GLORY FOR EMPIRES
Scitech, so of course the US and India should both be part of The British Empire? People have no right to national self determination through their freely expressed will? I am going to assume you are being sarcastic-- not a very funny joke!
Tibet108, a better response to Scitech's comment would be about how China "illegally" conquered Tibet after signing agreements with the rest of the world.
Zara-- Yes, it is the dictatorship of the Chinese Communist Party (the CCP) that is oppressing the Chinese and the Tibetan people. With free elections, to freely determine the will of the Tibetan, and the Chinese people, inside a democracy that dealt with the resentment the Tibetans feel, Tibetans might choose (as Quebecois do in Cananda) to remain a part of a Free China. That day is coming and no amount of propaganda can prevent it.
Van, you have asked some of these personal questions a number of times, and I have not responded, have I? Get the message? I won't and have my reasons. Have studied Tibetan and Chinese history at a post doc level for a decade. You might want to read "A History of Tibet" by the fifth Dalai Lama. If you need an english translation see the one by Zahiruddin. "the Mongo Empire and its Legacy" edited by David Morgan. See the Petech Chapter and the Bira chapter. Fairbanks " China: A new history"
You are very knowledgeable about the history of China. All the facts you said here are historical facts that most of Chinese do not event know because they have been brain-washed by the communist. Thanks for posting this video clips.
CONBO08, a nation aspiring to be Great would nurture and cultivate it's free thinkers. The CCP does not, they are "cracked down" upon with human rights violations.
This is so true. Its the most BASIC Chinese history, and guess what. Most Chinese people don't know! LOL
Anyone, who has taken Chinese history has learned the significance of the great wall of China, was to keep foreigners from China of invading. and guess whats not INDLAND, and outside the great wall... TIBET! OIGHUR!
This is a great video, because its so SIMPLE, its so easy to understand that YES, the MONGOLS may have had Tibet for a bit. BUT NO, The Chinese NEVER owned Tibet till the 1900s
Yes, CCP propaganda is successful amongst the poor Chinese people. However if you think that the Nanking Massacre did not occur, you are either ignorant, or a liar. Japanese colonialism in China was one of the great tragedies of the 20th Century. Japan killed Millions of inocent Chinese. Which makes Chinese colonialism in Tibet all the more terrible. The Chinese know what it means to be invaded. So why would they commit the same crime, which they have suffered under, against Tibetans?
go to hell ur stupid tibet terroist ... this is propaganda shit... china today is nothing like a communism state... if u have been in china u will see no signs of communist at all... TIBET IS APART OF CHINA!!!!
Tibet is a part of China because the CCP holds a gun to the heads of all Tibetans. The CCP is a bunch of murdering thugs. Tibet was invaded in 1950 and has resisted Chinese colonialism since. Yet uneducated Chinese, kept blinded by the CCP, are unaware of that. Whats frightening is to have blind people, like "dooooh", who want to curse anyone who disagrees with them. The rest of the world is growing more aware of the ugly nature of Chinese nationalism. Thanks for helping us see that.
That's what Chinese believe. The Tibetan people, and historians around the world, disagree with this Chinese belief. If Chinese believe the world is flat, does that make the world flat? History proves Tibet was never part of China until it was invaded in 1950. The Mongol and Manchu conquests of Tibet made it part of empires, not part of China. The Mongols and the Manchus did not conquer territory in the name of China. By your reasoning then India can claim New Zealand. Because UK Conquered both.
Then Quit doing business there. You can buy things in India, or Thailand too you know. When we buy cheap Chinese shoes we are opressing the Chinese People. The CCP is the slave master for the western corporations. The CCP prevents Chinese from forming free trade unions. The CCP prevents environmental protection in China. Things from China are cheap because the CCP enslaves the Chinese people. We have a choice about where we buy things from. End the Dictatorship of the CCP.
Tibet was never part of China until 1950. China invaded Tibet in 1950.
China has held a gun to the head of the Tibetans ever since.
Chinese believe that "Tibet WAS, IS, and ALWAYS WILL BE a part of China!!"Yes, we know. It doesnt not make it so.
Christians believe they are going to heaven. It dont make it so. No amount of belief can turn beliefs into fact. If Chinese won't listen to Tibetans, and quit shooting them like dogs, then Tibetans will continue to feel that Chinese are invaders.
Correct, but it was invaded, at least twice. Tibet was never invaded with such a massive force, it was co-opted in a relatively peaceful way. A Mongol Invasion of Vietnam did not make Vietnam part of China. A Mongol invasion of China did not make China Mongol. A Chinese invasino of Tibet does not make Tibet, part of China. It makes Tibet an occupied country
Okay, lets be fair about this. I'm a Canadian Citizen, 3rd yrs student at University of Toronto. Please list several books, that proves / supports your arguement about "Tibet does not belong to China." I'll wait for your replied.
Tibet has been occupied by China since 1950. Governments all over the world recognize Tibet as part of China, today. Be sure you understand the argument, clearly. Tibet has been part of China since 1950. However, the Mongol and Manchu conquests of Tibet, China, and Mongolia, did not make Mongolia and Tibet part of China since ancient timess. To proove that Tibet was not part of Tang China see Pan, Yihong, Song of Heaven and Heavenly Qaghan: Sui-Tang China and its Neighbors, 1997.
To proove that Tibet was not made part of China by the Mongol Conquest (but was made part of a Mongol State) see Petech, Luciano, Tibetan Relations with Sung China and with the Mongols, in China Among Equals, ed, Morris Rossabi. 1983.See also The Mongol Empire and its Legacy, David O. Morgan, 1999. More? There is agreement among historians on this. Tibet was never part of China until the 1950 conquest. The Party is lieing when it says "Tibet has been part of China since ancient Times."
tibet108 listen to what you're saying. You're simply aruging that Han Chinese is the only legitimate representation of China, by telling people that the Manchu dynasty can not represent China. If you want it that way, why blame CCP for spreading hate? According to your logic, the Hans can all see the minorities in CHina as unwelcomed foreigners and there is no need to treat them equally.
Your logic flows both ways. Also I would suppose since you love democracy you would approve my comment.
Markfeng66-- Your circular reasoning is faith based, not fact based. History shows that the CCP's claim to have 'inherited' its borders from Manchu conquests (Or Mongol or Tang depending on how dumb the Chinese making the argument is...) is faith based, not fact based. Only CCP hacks make the argument that Tibet has been part of China since the 13th Century. Because if Mongol Conquests make a country part of China ,then everhything from Moscow to Seoul would be part of China. Appealing but false
The world needs a fact based relationship with China. China is too important to be lying to the world. Its a matter of integrity. Can the world community trust the Chinese State? China says its rise will be peaceful. Is that true? Is that what Sino Tibetan history teaches us? CCP is willing to lie about history to its own people, and to the world. It gives out partisan misinformation. Why? What does that say about the integrity of the CCP State? It cannot be trusted.
Justified? You want China's occupation of Tibet to be based on imperial conquest? CCP does not want to justify its conquest with the imperialist reality of its actions. Thats why it lies to you about history. If it faces history then it has to say, "We conquered Tibet in 1950. Its ours. " Then how are CCP conquests in 1950 of Xingjiang and Tibet any different from UK and EU imperialist conquests in 1850? CCP is an imperialist, racist dictatorship-- misrepresenting history to the Chinese people
there is only one way I can describe the maker of the video: Arrogant and Ignorant.
livetuner 8 months ago
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{中華蘇維埃憲法大綱}其中一段:
"中國蘇維埃政權承認中國境內少數民族的民族自決權, 一直承認到各弱小民族有同中國脫離, 自己成立獨立的國家的權利. 蒙古, 藏, 苗, 瑤, 高麗人等, 凡是居住在中國地域內, 他們有完全自決權: 加入或脫離中國蘇维埃聯邦, 或建立自己的自治區域"
biklikbala 10 months ago
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shyamranger 10 months ago
Fucking bullshit, we cowered behind our walls. The wall were build so mongolian and what ever normatic tribes out there would be unable to terrorize chinese farmers. it was built for defense and for peace. fuck you losers!
AnjuABCDE 1 year ago
China has always problem with the truth.
Chinese history is always adorned with strange feathers.
Turfan369 1 year ago
crap
maoyuaneric 1 year ago
Very good reserchiert and informative.
Thank you
Turfan369 1 year ago
Thujeche
Tashi delek
Turfan369 1 year ago
DaLai is a fucking joke.
He can't stop begging money from the west.
=)))
maomao667 1 year ago
stop making bullshit videos............. u idiot.... u failed ur history..... ecspecially china history.... tibet is one part of china during Qing Dynasty ......XP
12345679007 1 year ago
@12345679007 When the foreigners of Manchuria conquered China, and then invaded Tibet, that did not make Tibet part of China, it made China and Tibet part of the Manchurian Empire. Apparently you failed both history, and grammar?
phagpa108 1 year ago
@phagpa108 Going by your logic, Tibet is now part of the Han Empire. So deal with that. But I'd rather say each successive Dynasty inherits the territories of the previous Dynasty.
HotHam44 1 year ago
Tibet108, who do you think you're fooling here really =_=|||
Puntonghua 2 years ago
Ok several big mistakes
Mongolia never conquered China. Don't apply modern notions of countries to reinterpret history. Just because humans didn't have light bulbs back 500 years ago does not make humans stupid.
Mongolia as a nation never existed since the Western concept of nationality and ethnicity in the 19th century.
Mongol tribes conquered China. They became the emperor of China who then annexed Tibet. They ruled China but it was still China.
icouldcareless50 2 years ago
@icouldcareless50 -- Indeed you are correct when you say that it was only in the 19th Century that the western concept of ethnicity and nationality existed. So there was no such place as 'China' before the 19th century. As you say...
phagpa108 1 year ago
some weirdo posted this
guess this is y our world is corrupted
cwang93 2 years ago
Cwang93, sorry to hear this seems corrupted to you. Hope one day you are able to study the facts.. truth cannot be changed just because you do not understand it.
phagpa108 2 years ago
so, Tibet is Mongolian
alienwatcher93 3 years ago
No, the conquest of Tibet and China, by Imperial Mongolia, do not make either of these modern nations Mongolian. Though that would make more sense than the Mongol Conquest of Tibet and China being used to explain that Tibet is part of China.
tibet108 3 years ago
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@tibet108
"the conquest of Tibet and China, by Imperial Mongolia, do not make either of these modern nations Mongolian"
therefore, tibet is not chinese today, since the conquest of chinese in 1950 doesnt make it chinese
thanks for clearing that
free tibet now!!!
TheMightyGuri 1 year ago
没想到塔吉克斯坦也有流亡藏人
dos123123 3 years ago
有许多流亡藏人在塔吉克斯坦？
tibet108 3 years ago
Ai Weiwei concludes, Historically, Chinese have destroyed Tibetan monasteries and statues—that's a simple fact. Now Tibetans have started destroying Chinese property in Lhasa and they have attacked Chinese military personnel. We are compelled to ask, where did this Tibetan hatred come from? What have Chinese done to create this? If Chinese do not know the answer to this question we need to know why.
tibet108 3 years ago
you made lots of factual mistakes regaring history. try to read unbiasedly, even some materials that are naturally offensive to you.
Doooku 3 years ago
Ai Weiwei, the artistic consultant behind the "Bird's Nest" Olympic stadium in Beijing and one of China's most respected artists, asks the question. "Most important is to truly respect ethnic minorities, and to admit all of the mistakes perpetrated against them in the past. In all events, this latest unrest [in Tibet] at the very least speaks to the failure of ethnic minority policies. We have never fully understood their religion and their lifestyle.
tibet108 3 years ago
Ai Weiwei concludes, Historically, Chinese have destroyed Tibetan monasteries and statues—that's a simple fact. Now Tibetans have started destroying Chinese property in Lhasa and they have attacked Chinese military personnel. We are compelled to ask, where did this Tibetan hatred come from? What have Chinese done to create this? If Chinese do not know the answer to this question we need to know why.
tibet108 3 years ago
@tibet108 You're not giving any facts here and your knowledge about Chinese history in general is laughable.
TheBrolit 7 months ago
艾委位，藝術顧問背後的鳥巢奧林匹克體育場在北京和一個中國最受尊敬的藝術家，問這個問題。 最重要的是要真正尊重少數民族，並承認所有的錯誤行為對他們在過去的。無論如何，這一最新的動亂[西藏]至少在談到失敗的少數民族政策。我們從來沒有完全理解他們的宗教和他們的生活方式。
tibet108 3 years ago
艾委娓的結論是， 從歷史上看，中國已經破壞西藏寺廟和雕像，這是一個簡單的事實。現在西藏已經開始摧毀中國在拉薩的財產和他們攻擊中國的軍事人員。我們不得不問，如果這樣做西藏的仇恨從何而來？有哪些做中國創造呢？如果中國不知道這個問題的答案，我們需要知道這是為什麼。
tibet108 3 years ago
死亡的中國共產黨
tibet108 3 years ago
您是正确的。 荒谬，毕竟，历史就是历史，但大多数人不能掌握所有的事实 。可笑的是中国政府想隐瞒事实，中国。
tibet108 3 years ago
Chilli, you know who Ai Weiwei is? One of China's greatest artists, who designed the Birds Nest? Never heard of him? Here is what he says about the Chinese Government's Crimes in Tibet.
tibet108 3 years ago
Ai Weiwei says : Chinese live in a society where ideology is ..controlled, especially when it touches upon the issues of ethnic minorities. If the ... occupying Han treat the ethnic minorities as liberated serfs, there's no hope of resolving the issue. Tibetans have their own religion, their own path of cultural development and their own ways of thinking. The Tibetan people are now chided for being lawbreakers, .... This is only going to intensify the hatred between the Han and ethnic peoples."
tibet108 3 years ago
if we should free tibet why dont you north americans go back to europe and give the land back to the native indians. do you know how you offended the UN an invaded Iraq.
chillichris888 3 years ago
I see, you believe that China's invasion of Tibet is like the European colonization of North America? Funny thing about that comparison. The Sioux never invaded Washington DC and ruled the Colonists for 200 years. The world DEMANDS China withdraw from Occupied Tibet. Tibetans Demand that. Native Americans have real autonomy in North America. The Police in Native Areas are ALL NATIVE. In Tibet the CHINESE colonists rule Tibet..
tibet108 3 years ago
we did live in tibet in the yuan and ming dynasty
chillichris888 3 years ago
Quomingdang Government Documents from 1945-1949 show that there were only 500 Chinese families in all of Tibet. You are lieing. Why is it important to Chinese to 'prove' (with lies) that Tibet was part of China-- when history shows any educated person the facts. The Chinese governments attempts to lie about history have convinced most Chinese. But history remains unchanged. Tibet was never part of China until the 1950 invasion.
tibet108 3 years ago
why id you invade iraq and afghanistan? so north americans have no rights to tell china to free tibet
chillichris888 3 years ago
plus, why dont america give california back to mexico?
chillichris888 3 years ago
I see no protests in California demanding for California to secede the Union and be part of Mexico. In fact millions of Mexicans are now illegally in the US, becuase the US is richer, freer and better place to live than Mexico. Yet Tibetans are running away from occupied Tibet, even though they are being shot by Chinese when they try to flee. Have you been to Mexico? Or Tibet? I dont think so, you are an ignorant child who has grown up with Chinese Communist Propaganda. Very sad for you.
tibet108 3 years ago
that's because the majority in california iis white americans not mexican latinos. you want to hold an election in california where only mexicans are allowed to vote?
chillichris888 3 years ago
how did we colonist rule tibet? we did not make their people slaves, like how americans made black people slaves before the 50s
chillichris888 3 years ago
Chilli, have you been to Tibet? The Tibetans HATE Chinese. They always have and always will. No amount of Chinese money on railroads will change that. They do not want Chinese in Tibet. And the Chinese i met in Tibet were ONLY there to make money. They HATED being in Tibet. Chinese have colonized Tibet by sending millions of Chinese to Tibet since the 1980's. But the policy is failing because Chinese do not want to live at that altitude. No matter how much money the Governmwent spends.
tibet108 3 years ago
how did they encourage us to hate all those people? prove it!
chillichris888 3 years ago
You did not watch Chinese Communist Party TV after the April protests in Lhasa? Why did the goverment show only Tibetans attacking Chinese? More than 100 Tibtans were shot by Chinese police during the protests-- BEFORE Tibetans attacked Chinese. Why did not CCTV show that? Liar
tibet108 3 years ago
we did in 1951. what about qing dynasty and even though, but china's still china when it was ruled by mongolians, so. if you disagree with that, your saying that, india is no longer india since it got occupied by the british
chillichris888 3 years ago
for 0:45that's because over 90 percent of chinese lives there
chillichris888 3 years ago
Historians-- who do not belong to Chinese Communist Party-- know that Chinese never lived in Tibet until the Chinese invasion of Tibet after 1950. Why? Because Tibet was a seperate country
tibet108 3 years ago
tibetan people are chinese people.
chillichris888 3 years ago
Chilli, Funny about that. When I speak with Tibetans in Lhasa they tell me that Chinese treat them like dogs, and that they hate being colonized by Chinese. Tibetans I meet say they are NOT Chinese.
tibet108 3 years ago
because they want to be free for some reason. what if china did free tibet. where will these people go? they will starve to death. they dont have enough resources to feed 3 million people. tibetan farmers just have merely enough to feed themselves. the rest of the food came from the rest of china. you know what was tibet like before chinese takeover? dalai lama treated them like dogs, slaves had to eat with dogs. the average lifespan was only 35, and 67 now. a double in less than 60 years
chillichris888 3 years ago
Chilli "They Want to be free for some reason" ? You are on another planet Chilli. Yes, all people want to be free. Chinese. Tibetans. Americans. Native Americans. Iraqis. And when China thinks it can beat Tibetans into wanting to be Chinese, then the Chinese government is lieing to itself and its people.
tibet108 3 years ago
plus tibetan farmers and peasants pay no taxes, and their couples are allowed to have as many children as they want, while the rest of china are only allowed to have one. free tibet? free iraq! free afghanistan. boycott london olympics 2012!
chillichris888 3 years ago
And despite all that 'China has done for Tibet' Tibetans still hate the Chinese. You cannot change that by beating Tibetans. You cannot make Tibetans love Tibet by shooting them. Iraqis and CHINESE pay 10,000$ a person to be smuggled into the US. Do you see any Americans or Iraqis coming to China as illegal Immigrants? Why not? Yet 50,000 Chinese a year are smuggled into the US. Why? Because America is FREE er than China. Or Iraq. Not everything the US does is perfect. Many mistakes.
tibet108 3 years ago
做这个视频的人看似很客观，可是仔细想想，唐朝时候是啥样子，清朝时候是啥样子，为什么不敢把那时候的地图弄上来？可笑，历史终究是历史，只不过大多数人不能掌握全部史实，就被这些跳梁小丑瞎糊弄！
apfzhangpp 3 years ago
您是正确的。 荒谬，毕竟，历史就是历史，但大多数人不能掌握所有的事实 。可笑的是中国政府想隐瞒事实，中国。
tibet108 3 years ago
It is time for ordinary chinese to be able to diffrentiate between loving The Great China and loving CCP. Patriotism and Partism are two diffrent things. Do not let CCP blur the line between these two.
czrsilp 3 years ago
Czrsilp-- YES. Chinese Patriots must rise up to overthrow the rule of the butchers of the CCP. China cannot become a great nation as long as the CCP works with Foreign Corporations to exploit the chinese people as slave labor for the profit of the corporations and the Princes of the Party.
tibet108 3 years ago
CCP will never let chinese people live free like rest of people of the world. CCP will always keep chinese people on leash,and never let them move on on their lives, reminding them of past foriengn domination, making them feel like rest of the world is out there to get China. No wonder chinese are so defensive. This so called "Nationalism" result of this.
czrsilp 3 years ago
conti.
i believe our gov. should tolerate Buddhism more and other religions such as Taoism and Confucianism cuz like it was said in the openin cermony of olympics, those r wat our history's views&believes are build on. but i also know that my gov has been spending money helpng to bring a better life and modernization to Tibet which once use to be a rural area w. barely any modern structure. but now it has buildings, bridges, railroads
xtori729 3 years ago
Xrtori-- Party will never tolerate freedom of religion because any such freedom challenges the Party's dictatorship. The Party's first job is to remain in power-- not to support China. Many times in Tibet I have seen 'all that money the govt spends in Tibet'. The STONE CUTTERS working on the potala repairs are 100% Chinese. No Tibetans. What does that tell the Tibetan people? That the money being spent by Chinese in Tibet is for Chinese, not Tibetans. If Chinese want Tibetans to FEEL Chinese...
tibet108 3 years ago
um i must say 1st of all if u r chinese, u r a disgrace to our people.
communist propaganda? okay let me tell u something. i live in america and i been here when i was 8yrs old. so i dont think im "brainwashed" by chinese propaganda.
have u heard of the different tribes china have that dates back to like the beginning of the earth. tibet&mongolia and many places around china are all chinese people only different tribes, like han ren.
xtori729 3 years ago
Um. I must say, child, you are oddly ignorant of Chinese history if you are Chinese. "Like the beginning of the Earth". Ok. Back to college you go. This time, try to read a book? Did Tang China rule Tibet? No. Did China's first emperor conqueror Tibet? No. Are the Mongols Chinese? No. So when did China conquer Tibet? 1950. Do Tibetans say they are Chinese? No. Have you been to Tibet? No.... so child, get an education.
tibet108 3 years ago
um tibet108. how old r u? and i would have to admit im not super knowledgeable of the tibet situation cuz im only in high school. but im china therefore my loyalty is to my country. but thats not the only reason why i support china. i know in the 1st dynasty of china, china was only a small part. but do u know if u trace back, most of asia like korea, japan, viet were all originally chinese ppl. its like when british ppl came to US and formed whats now America.
xtori729 3 years ago
Xtori, you will benefit from studying history. British (and many other europeans) came to America, but that does not make America part of UK.
Thousands of years ago the great Chinese nation had MUCH influence on Japan and Korea, but that does NOT make Japan 'Chinese'.
Your Loyalty to China is great. But A POWERFUL China cannot be built on lies about history. Tibet was not part of China until we invaded it in 1950. Thats a fact. Lying about it weakens China.
SCIENCE cannot be built on lies.
tibet108 3 years ago
Tibet108 Are you white? Have you been to China or Tibet before? Please answer me.
hittingstick 3 years ago
Are you Yellow or White? Silly question. I have spent many years in Tibet. Have you?
tibet108 3 years ago
The first thing you learn in Tibet, sadly, is that Tibetans are frightened of Chinese and that they hate them. Why? Because Chinese treat Tibetans like dogs. I have watched Chinese women spit in the faces of Tibetans to drive them out of their restaurants. The Tibetan men were so afraid (after 50 years of oppression, murder and Torture) that they said nothing to the woman. Watching them walk out with Chinese spit on their faces, that they did not wipe off shows the truth about China in Tibet.
tibet108 3 years ago
Have you been to Tibet Hitting Stick? Have you read even one book about Tibetan history? Do you speak enough Tibetan to know what Tibetans think about the Chinese invasion, conquest, and colonization of Tibet?
tibet108 3 years ago
Thanks for answering one of the question, could you answer the other one now. What nationality are you? Thanks
hittingstick 3 years ago
Hitting Stick the Grand Inquisitor. What Nationality are you? Are you Yellow or are you White? (as you phrase it) You Answer A question, if asking them is so important.Can you imagine that Chinese who care about the future of China, want to see a strong China, built on truth, not a weak China built on Lies?
tibet108 3 years ago
Don't be so proud about taking over China if you don't want want them to take you over. the only thing worse than communist propaganda is Dalai Lama propaganda.
johnclaussjr 3 years ago
Santa Claus-- So what is Dalai Lama Propaganda? Its a fact of history that the Chinese Communist Party killed more of its own people than any other government in History. Are you so ignorant you do not know that?
tibet108 3 years ago
Sleeper-- stay asleep. So Tibetans ruled themselves before the Chinese invasion of 1950. Exactly. Thats the point. Whether Tibetan self rule before the invasion was good, bad, or indifferent, Any Tibetan ruler was, is and will always be preferred, by Tibetans to even the BEST Chinese ruler. Hello. If your argument were true then the US should invade China since the Chinese Communist Party Rulers of China have murdered 70 million Chinese. Worse government than the Nazi.
tibet108 3 years ago
The Origin of Tibet Flag:
In the end of 18 century, the Chinese central government designed the snow lion flag, and then the Chinese emporor awarded this flag to Tibet troop to encourage them fighting against invaders. Ever since then This snow lion flag has been regarded as a symbol of tibet autonomous region.
The history of tibet flag itself speaks silenty for the truth that tibet has been a part of China in the last hundreds of years.
hellokinghello 3 years ago
The Origin of Tibet Flag:
In the end of 18 century, the Chinese central government designed the snow lion flag, and then the Chinese emporor awarded this flag to Tibet troop to encourage them fighting against invaders. Ever since then This snow lion flag has been regarded as a symbol of tibet autonomous region.
The history of tibet flag itself speaks silenty for the truth that tibet has been a part of China in the last hundreds of years.
hellokinghello 3 years ago
HKing-- This is a lie. Snow Lion Flag with Rising sun was designed during the time of the 13th Dalai Lama--and Chinese had nothing to do with it. There were Japanese military trainers training the independent Tibetan Army at that time, and THEY influenced the flag by contributing the rising sun. LOL Have you been to Tibet? Have you read a single history about Tibet? What makes you think you can drop lies like this and not be called on it. You are either foolish, uneducated, or malevolent.
tibet108 3 years ago
so we cant say that this video your making isnt a prapaganda too?
q1ax 3 years ago
The facts of history as presented in this video are not 'propaganda' they are facts. Propaganda means that facts have been distorted, for political purposes. The Chinese state twists facts of history when it says Tibet "has been part of China" since the 13th Century. That is not a fact. So when the Government says that, it is a lie. It is propaganda. This video tries to counter government propaganda amongst Chinese.
tibet108 3 years ago
Thank you so very much! I am Manchurian and Tibetan Buddhist....We Manchus have never dared to take over Tibet like the Communist Chinese have wrote. China's claim that Tibet is part of China was never true and I know this from 5 generations of royal historical context. My family was there when various emperors made delagtional meetings with the various Dalai Lamas, Panchen Lamas, and Karmapas. We have always had a peaceful co-existance until the communist Chinese made there BS Propaganda!
dracokaiser 3 years ago
Draco, I am curious about Manchu language. Did the Manchus, in 1612, have an alphabet? Or did they use characters? The Dalai Lama says that Manchurian Emperors developed a Priest-Patron relationship with his predecessors-- and that the relationship between them cannot be explained by contemporary international law, which is all based on western concepts. He says that relationship was religious, not political. Your comment?
tibet108 3 years ago
Manchurian language is mostly base on Mongolian language but the writing system is base on Chinese. Qing Dynasty relationship with Tibet is base on religious.
VanFinales 3 years ago
Well Van I was hoping to hear some details from a Manchurian. In fact I hear that the Manchu's wrote an imperial history in Manchu, not Chinese, and using an alphabhet, not characters. So I was hoping to have some details on that from a Manchu speaker....
tibet108 3 years ago
No, I said it base on Mongolian Language therefore, it base on Mongolian alphabet. But the writing style from top to bottom is similar to Chinese system. At the same time, Qing Emperor used both Chinese & Manchu language to govern China. P.S. How do you know I'm not Manchurian?
VanFinales 3 years ago
Van, actually I just heard from a Manchu (who says they are Manchu, which you have not done) about this and he says that the Manchu used four languages, but their primary form of writing was with the Uighur alphabet, which was also used by the Mongols. That concurs with what I read in histories. The issue here is that it was a Manchu Empire, ruled by Manchu, for Manchu Benefit. And the Manchu were not Chinese--as the Chinese confirmed when they murdered millions of Manchu after after 1912.
tibet108 3 years ago
Although I'm not a Manchu speaker, from what my father told me, my ancestor indeed used three different language (Manchu, Chinese, & Mongolian). But fourth one, please tell me which one (Maybe Russian?). When you mean Uighur, do you mean Uyghur script? Anyways, Qing Dynasty, were indeed rule by Manchu aristocratic. But, time goes by most of Manchu Elites were assimilated into Chinese culture. When they said, murdered millions of Manchu, they meant aristocratic personal army & family members.
VanFinales 3 years ago
The truth is, you don't really care for human rights. It is not something that you don't have, in fact you probably have better living standards than most of your TAR counterparts inside Tibet itself, and not just Tibet but all over the poor village regions of China. But.. you're not fighting for their rights. No, you are far from it. You're fighting for your right to brainwash those people into believing this so called "historical truth" that is portrayed in your video here.
daisoir 3 years ago
Daisoir, Who do you assume I am? Your assumptions are wrong. This video present one fact about Chinese history-- that China's borders (when it was ruled by Chinese) never encompassed Tibet.Thats a fact of history. Until the Mongol conquest the Tibetans never submitted to ANY foreign power. Can Chinese say that? No. China was invaded and raped by foreigners for millennia and now distorts that history to its own people. No one believes Chinese lies that Mongol conquests were Chinese ones. Wake up
tibet108 3 years ago
This video is complete bullshit.
What is this? I don't believe there are now Exilists among Exilist Tibetans. It looks like there's a new youth movement for a Free Tibet- one that is starting to fray from the conjectures of the dalai lama himself.. which is ironically against lamaism in it's pseudo-"bhuddist" form. So no longer is the fight for religious freedom, or theocratic rule, it's about the freedom for a political Tibet, not the freedom of human rights.
daisoir 3 years ago
Daisoir, its easy to say that this video is untrue (though an educated person might find a more intelligent way to do so), but impossible for your to prove that belief you have is true. Read a book. Tibet was never conquered by Chinese until 1950. China's dictators lie to the Chinese people about this so they do not have to expose the nature of their rule. China is ruled now by murdering dictators. The Great Nation of China will throw off these yellow running dogs who rule them. Free China!
tibet108 3 years ago
VanFinal you recent post was accidentally deleted, please repost.
tibet108 3 years ago
good video hope the chinese learn something of it..but there needs to be a correction the tibetans are not thier brother and sisiter and and will never like to be seen in the same one nation as china..because they have always had a seperate identity..
tashitrulgu 3 years ago
Yes Tashi, Tibetans have always had a separate identity. But what will you do now that the Dalai Lama says "Past is Past" and urges Tibetans to remain within China, IF real autonomy within China is granted. He keeps saying that its good for Tibetans to remain inside of China (even though history proves Tibet was never part of China before 1950). So, what to do about that? For that to happen Chinese and Tibetans must become brothers and sisters.
tibet108 3 years ago
my friend with all due respect to hishollines so many things has happend among the tibetans and the chinese that the current n the coming generation wil find it realy hard to live side by side with the chinese. and if something like that happens i guess the tibetans will someway or the other please themselves to live with the chines butitsthe chinese who will never give the tibetans thier rights nwill look down at them.and looking at the new tibtn generation i dnt think they r happy withautonomy
tashitrulgu 3 years ago
Yes Tashi, I agree with all your write. IF His Holiness can convince Chinese leaders to allow real Autonomy in Tibet and stop the colonization of Tibet by Chinese, then because of respect for Dalai Lama, most Tibetans would compromise and accept real autonomy. IF HHDL dies in exile last chance for such compromise also dies. China has unique final chance to resolve Tibet issue now. But IF they do not want to resolve, if they are playing HHDL, to keep him quite, as they colonize:events now in play
tibet108 3 years ago
its gud to see that u have a gud idea bout all this stuff..yes because of the respect for HHDL the tibetans are quiet unfortunately the chinese for some rason dont understand it. but what i can predict is if china is unable to resolve the issue at the moment umm unfortunately i guess i must say that they are asking fortrouble even if they are econimicaly or defensively strong. as forthe tibetans every tibetan will fight for thier rights and will continues and follow from generations to genrtions
tashitrulgu 3 years ago
Tashi, Tibetans agree with your assessment. There will be violence for decades as Tibetans fight for independence (like In Chechnya) unless current Dalai Lama closes a deal for real autonomy within China, within his lifetime. Experts even in China) understand this. But the Chinese Communist Party has imposed its will through mass murder for 50 years. It sees no need to compromise now. A great tragedy is unfolding. While Chinese people are ignorant of what has been done in their name
tibet108 3 years ago
i tottaly agree man.. and yeah i checked out ur page.. i wasnt surprised to see all the commets by the chinese!! by now u musthave got a clear idea what an unbelivable bunch of ppl they are..imagine that whom the tibetans are up against..lol hopefully the chinese wake up!!
tashitrulgu 3 years ago
Tashi, Yes it's been educational to engage in discussion with Chinese, who believe that Tibet has been part of China since the Yuan dynasty. Their belief is so strong they are not willing to even study history. It's scary when you understand a billion people DEMAND the world accept their version of history even when that version is a lie. This discussion exposes the true nature of the Chinese nation. At least some Party leaders know the lies about Tibetan history are lies. The people don't.
tibet108 3 years ago
i know exactly what u mean thats the only things which has been stopping in resolving the tibetan cause thats why his hollines always says that the change has to come from inside china he refers to the chinese people who have been kept away from the truth..wish all the young chinese who try to be very angry and who have been shouting and hurting the pro tibetan supporters around the world get to meet the dalai lama. i am sure they will be convinced immediately what is wrong and whats right!
tashitrulgu 3 years ago
YES. Just like the Native Indians and Hawaiians.
hittingstick 3 years ago
Native and Americans and Hawaiians frequently protest how they are treated by the US Government, today. When were 200 Native Americans shot dead for speaking freely? 100 years ago, Not today. You are distorting the facts, because you want to support the actions of the Chinese government. These lies convince no one except a few Chinese. Most Chinese want to be free of the fascist rule of the Chinese Communist Party, just like Tibetans. The Communist Party will be destroyed by the Chinese People.
tibet108 3 years ago
Okay thats cool, maybe Americans(White people) should give back the land to the Native Hawaniians and Indians. Sounds Good?
hittingstick 3 years ago
Also if you are a really peace loving person, you should do a video on the Iraq situation. I would be very appreciated. Thanks my Friend.
hittingstick 3 years ago
Also my Friend when you say things about the protest in March, sounds like you were just there experienced it. Man, I wish I had the money to go there during the protest! Good for you!!!
hittingstick 3 years ago
china has spend billion of dollars trying to fix tibet and make it modern. that space pic, u probably got it from some US site that want china to fall cuz they are afraid china will be more powerful then them. The US hate communish therefore the CIA has been working w. dali lama. They only don't express their dislike of china in open cuz china's a big trading partner.
xtori729 3 years ago
Extori-- Yes, Billions to make Tibet Modern. Am sure thats the crap you have been taught to believe. Very sad to see you so ignorant. But did they teach you about the 50 million Chinese and Tibetans the Party murdered? Are you paid 5 Mao to write this crap or do you really believe it?
tibet108 3 years ago
crap i taught to believe? have u been to tibet? ive seen some pictures of tibet and some places are amazing. have u heard all of dali's speeches. there's one recently when he was interviewed about olympics. he himself said he wants modernization in tibet and he know the chinese has been giving that to tibet. even he agrees-.- plus u know how he always says i don't want independence, he just wants his religion. well he doesn't want independence cuz he know china can give tibet wat they dont have.
xtori729 3 years ago
Xtori-- Yes you should go to Tibet. I lived there several years. IF China were using the money it spends in Tibet to develop the country some Tibetans would be happy with Chinese presence. You think Tibetans think they are Chinese? Go talk to Tibetans.
But--for Example ALL the stone workers on the reconstruction of the Potala were CHINESE. Chinese brought to Potala to cut stone, when Tibetans dont have jobs?
If you want Tibetans to love China quit shooting them. Quit taking their jobs.
tibet108 3 years ago
conti. from other comment.
like i said before i do feel sorry for the tibetians too cuz i know&admit my gov. is rather harsh on them. but they are a tribe of chinese ppl¬ every1 there wants independence. only dali's followers and ppl who have been influenced by it. There's many things out there that proves china is doing good for tibet while others disagree. the truth comes from the tibetians thats why i personally want to go there&visit s/t. but for now i believe both
xtori729 3 years ago
Dear Xtori am glad to hear you have enough heart to feel sorry for what the Party has done to the Tibetans. Tibetans do NOT feel they are tribe of Chinese. Chiense feel that. You feel that. But Tibetans do not feel that. They feel Chinese and Tibetans are seperate people. Tibetans use alphabet, Chinese use Characters. Tibetan history prooves (for Tibetans) that They were never part of China. I understand you disagree. Please go to Tibet and talk to Some Tibetans. Listen to them , & to your heart
tibet108 3 years ago
lol some map you have, i wonder who made it, and what time period is it, hmm theres the FORMER USSR, so that will make it after 1990. ironic isnt it, you say tibet dont belong to china and show a fake map when i say tibet belongs to china since the yuan dynasty from world history archive. kid do some research before you humiliate your self.
USAF0314 3 years ago
USAF-- Young Person, its you who needs to do some research. If the Mongol Conquest of Tibet (and then 40 years later, China) somehow makes Tibet part of China, then so are Korea, and Mongolia. Ask the Mongols if their conquest of Tibet made it part of China. Ask the Tibetans. Having a Billion Chinese belief that the Mongol Conquest of Tibet 600 years ago, is proof Tibet is part of China today, means nothing. Tibet is part of China because Chinese conquered it, in 1950. Historians know this.
tibet108 3 years ago
pshh, then should i say united states shouldnt be united states but belongs to the natives? if thats so, the every country in the Continental America should be kicked back to Europe. tibet was a part of china even after the mongol conquest because the hans took back china and it still belongs to china. its just fact face it.
USAF0314 3 years ago
USAF- The Hans, never took anything from Tibet. T he Manchu and the Mongols had relations with the Tibetans, but the Chinese were just slaves of the Mongols and the Manchu. Just Face it. You and most Chinese are angry because during the past 700 years Chinese were ruled by Foreigners (Manchu and Mongols) for 500 years. Chinese are boiling inside because they know 'the great Chinese nation' lived as slaves for centuries. So you lie and try to make Mongol Conquest Chinese. LOL
tibet108 3 years ago
lol with out the chinese advance technology the mongols wouldnt even get out of asia. and manchu are the ones screwed china up. qing dynasty is the ones who burned the largest fleet ever assembled by man. and hans are the ones built the forbidden city. it was because of the manchu china was in the hand of foreigners without advance. by the way the manchu are not foreigners, they are one of 54 ethnic in china, that goes for you tibetans too. slavery? tibet is famous for that.
USAF0314 3 years ago
USA-- again you show complete lack of knowledge re Mongols. Mongols had Uygher scribes and Arab technicians when Genghis conquered towards EU. That happened BEFORE the conquest of the Song. Which is it "Manchu screwed China up"? or "Manchu are not foreigners"? Can't be both. Manchus were foreigners who ruled Chinese as slaves. Some chinese were GOOD slaves, and helped Chinese dictatorship. Slavery, yes Chinese are famous for that, today. Read the headlines.
tibet108 3 years ago
Tibetan Relations with Sung China and with the Mongols - Can't find this one.
In China Among Equals - Can't find this one.
The Mongol Empire and its Legacy - Read this one.
China: A new history - Can't find this one
History of Tibet" by the fifth Dalai Lama - can't find this one but instead I read "Why the Dalai Lama Matters: His Act of Truth as the Solution for China, Tibet, and the World"
VanFinales 3 years ago
Tibetan Relations with Sung China and with the Mongols, is an article by Luciano Petech IN the book edited by Morris Rossabi, which is called China Among Equals: The Middle Kingdom and Its Neighbors, published Univeristy of California Press. Its on Amazon. And in big university libraries-- would not be in small town libraries.
What did you read in The Mongol Empire and Its Legacy that "prooved" some how the Mongol Conquest made Tibet "Part of China"?
tibet108 3 years ago
lol It's seems you assume a lot of things. Just by one simple question & you are already assume all that? Okay, Yuan Dynasty conquered Tibet. Yuan Emperor had given them the right to the Tibetans to selves govern their country but they still belong & are subject to the empire. They must pay tribute with luxury goods, such as, gold, silver & etc. From this, Ming Dynasty had the similar deal with Tibet, instead being conquered, Tibet were subject to Ming Dynasty. Hence, Tibet part of Ming Dynasty.
VanFinales 3 years ago
Van-No, Tibet was never conquered by the Ming, was never part of the Ming. Look at the Ming Period maps in Jonathan Spence's book "The Search for Modern China"-- a primary source for any freshman course on Chinese history in US. They show Tibet outside of the Ming Borders. Yes, PRC scholars try to interpret Ming history as 'proving' Tibet was under the MIng. But that revisionist interpretation has found no traction amongst free scholars. Even Chinese sholars leaving PRC change their tune...
tibet108 3 years ago
I'll repost. No, I don't mean conquered by Ming. There is differences between subject to & conquered by Ming. In the beginning of Ming Dynasty, Tibet have the right to self-govern, & military assistances in exchange for paying tribute to the Ming. However, sending the Imperial army to protect Dalai Lama & Tibet, proves too costly to Ming Dynasty. Hence, Ming relinquished Tibet as their provinces. With the threat in North East (Manchurians) & East (Japan), they see in no point keeping Tibet.
VanFinales 3 years ago
Historians, like Jonathan Spence, in The Search for Modern China, do not say that Tibet was subject to the Ming. Modern China's conflation of 'paying tribute' as though it came from 'subject nations' is innaccurate. Thailand for example, "paid tribute" to the Manchu. The Thai kings were even 'approved' by the Manchu Emperors. Does that make Thailand part of China? No. See Sarasin Viraphol "Tribte and Profit: Sino Siamese Trade 1652-1853". "Tribute Missions" were just foreign trade missions.
tibet108 3 years ago
Here a quote for you, "All history is a lie. It depends on who does the talking, & who does the listening." Even if Spence, research about Ming Dynasty, how do you know his point of view was objective / subjective? He may have interpret the some of the facts but not all. During the rise of Ming, the history between Ming & Tibet was so short, it was considered insignificant by most historians. Of course, Ming being proud country, they considered they never taken Tibet as one of their province.
VanFinales 3 years ago
Hence, when you google image for Ming Dynasty, all the map shows Tibet never belong to Ming. But if you were to type Ming in Chinese character, you see things differently. As for the Thailand, it was never conquered by Qing, nor conquered by Ming either. Therefore, the modern day China never considered Thailand as their provinces. Instead a good trading partner. For Tibet tribute mission are considered tribute to the Empire. Not a foreign trade mission between China & Tibet.
VanFinales 3 years ago
Finally. I finished reading the books. I finally understand why you came the conclusion why Tibet doesn't belong to China. I have to say, I disagree with you. Tibet belongs to China.
VanFinales 3 years ago
Excellent that you read some books. Which ones did you read?
tibet108 3 years ago
I disagree. While Tibet was a free nation, it is no longer. China has conqoured it, and I believe that if a nation is captured by another, it automatically loses all its soverignty. It is the only way we can keep the right to conquest alive. GLORY FOR EMPIRES
Scitech101 3 years ago
Scitech, so of course the US and India should both be part of The British Empire? People have no right to national self determination through their freely expressed will? I am going to assume you are being sarcastic-- not a very funny joke!
tibet108 3 years ago
To be quite frank, I am really a supporter of the concept of a "world government"
Scitech101 3 years ago
Tibet108, a better response to Scitech's comment would be about how China "illegally" conquered Tibet after signing agreements with the rest of the world.
JetZep 3 years ago
OHHHH. Next time say so.
Scitech101 3 years ago
Nice video.
It remembers the most important thing : the chinese people are not guilty, their rulers are.
ZarathustraDK 3 years ago
Zara-- Yes, it is the dictatorship of the Chinese Communist Party (the CCP) that is oppressing the Chinese and the Tibetan people. With free elections, to freely determine the will of the Tibetan, and the Chinese people, inside a democracy that dealt with the resentment the Tibetans feel, Tibetans might choose (as Quebecois do in Cananda) to remain a part of a Free China. That day is coming and no amount of propaganda can prevent it.
tibet108 3 years ago
The CCP propaganda campaign is damaging to the Chinese reputation. TREASON!
JetZep 3 years ago
But the ruling Chinese people have been tricked as well...
JetZep 3 years ago
Well, some how my questions disappeared. Anyway, please these questions.
1) What is your major in undergraduate studies?
2) What is your ethic background?
3) How long have you study this Chinese history?
4) Anymore, list of books that supports your argument.
Thank you.
VanFinales 3 years ago
Van, you have asked some of these personal questions a number of times, and I have not responded, have I? Get the message? I won't and have my reasons. Have studied Tibetan and Chinese history at a post doc level for a decade. You might want to read "A History of Tibet" by the fifth Dalai Lama. If you need an english translation see the one by Zahiruddin. "the Mongo Empire and its Legacy" edited by David Morgan. See the Petech Chapter and the Bira chapter. Fairbanks " China: A new history"
tibet108 3 years ago
Hello Tibet108,
You are very knowledgeable about the history of China. All the facts you said here are historical facts that most of Chinese do not event know because they have been brain-washed by the communist. Thanks for posting this video clips.
CONBO08 3 years ago
CONBO08, a nation aspiring to be Great would nurture and cultivate it's free thinkers. The CCP does not, they are "cracked down" upon with human rights violations.
JetZep 3 years ago
This is so true. Its the most BASIC Chinese history, and guess what. Most Chinese people don't know! LOL
Anyone, who has taken Chinese history has learned the significance of the great wall of China, was to keep foreigners from China of invading. and guess whats not INDLAND, and outside the great wall... TIBET! OIGHUR!
This is a great video, because its so SIMPLE, its so easy to understand that YES, the MONGOLS may have had Tibet for a bit. BUT NO, The Chinese NEVER owned Tibet till the 1900s
crapcrap86 3 years ago
all brain-washed sina-people must learn right history to liberate their own red brains.
so they would not be abele to spread anti-japan facism like nanking masscared.
voltaire2667 3 years ago
Yes, CCP propaganda is successful amongst the poor Chinese people. However if you think that the Nanking Massacre did not occur, you are either ignorant, or a liar. Japanese colonialism in China was one of the great tragedies of the 20th Century. Japan killed Millions of inocent Chinese. Which makes Chinese colonialism in Tibet all the more terrible. The Chinese know what it means to be invaded. So why would they commit the same crime, which they have suffered under, against Tibetans?
tibet108 3 years ago
go to hell ur stupid tibet terroist ... this is propaganda shit... china today is nothing like a communism state... if u have been in china u will see no signs of communist at all... TIBET IS APART OF CHINA!!!!
doooooohh 3 years ago
Tibet is a part of China because the CCP holds a gun to the heads of all Tibetans. The CCP is a bunch of murdering thugs. Tibet was invaded in 1950 and has resisted Chinese colonialism since. Yet uneducated Chinese, kept blinded by the CCP, are unaware of that. Whats frightening is to have blind people, like "dooooh", who want to curse anyone who disagrees with them. The rest of the world is growing more aware of the ugly nature of Chinese nationalism. Thanks for helping us see that.
tibet108 3 years ago
Historic documents show Tibet an inseparable part of China.
watch?v=sRqc6IzmqZA
Chinaheartforever 3 years ago
That's what Chinese believe. The Tibetan people, and historians around the world, disagree with this Chinese belief. If Chinese believe the world is flat, does that make the world flat? History proves Tibet was never part of China until it was invaded in 1950. The Mongol and Manchu conquests of Tibet made it part of empires, not part of China. The Mongols and the Manchus did not conquer territory in the name of China. By your reasoning then India can claim New Zealand. Because UK Conquered both.
tibet108 3 years ago
China is not a very charming place to do business in.
You feel like you're in the Truman Show.
unicorn187 3 years ago
Then Quit doing business there. You can buy things in India, or Thailand too you know. When we buy cheap Chinese shoes we are opressing the Chinese People. The CCP is the slave master for the western corporations. The CCP prevents Chinese from forming free trade unions. The CCP prevents environmental protection in China. Things from China are cheap because the CCP enslaves the Chinese people. We have a choice about where we buy things from. End the Dictatorship of the CCP.
tibet108 3 years ago
西藏过去，现在，将来，永远都是中国的领土!
西藏過去，現在，將來，永遠都是中國的領土!
Tibet WAS, IS, and ALWAYS WILL BE a part of China!!
チベットは過去、現在、これからの将来、永遠に中国の領土であり!
티베트는 과거,현재,아프로 영원히 중국의 땅이다!!!
Tibet war, ist und wird immer ein Teil von China!!
Tibet était, est, et sera toujours une partie inséparable de la Chine!
Tibet war und ist ein Bestandteil von China und es wird immer sein!!!!
N'importe d'avant,aujourd'hui ou future,Tibet est toujour une partie de chine.
Chinaheartforever 3 years ago
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Tibet was never part of China until 1950. China invaded Tibet in 1950.
China has held a gun to the head of the Tibetans ever since.
Chinese believe that "Tibet WAS, IS, and ALWAYS WILL BE a part of China!!"Yes, we know. It doesnt not make it so.
Christians believe they are going to heaven. It dont make it so. No amount of belief can turn beliefs into fact. If Chinese won't listen to Tibetans, and quit shooting them like dogs, then Tibetans will continue to feel that Chinese are invaders.
tibet108 3 years ago
dude Vietnam has never been under the Mongols
2eyes1mouth 3 years ago
Correct, but it was invaded, at least twice. Tibet was never invaded with such a massive force, it was co-opted in a relatively peaceful way. A Mongol Invasion of Vietnam did not make Vietnam part of China. A Mongol invasion of China did not make China Mongol. A Chinese invasino of Tibet does not make Tibet, part of China. It makes Tibet an occupied country
tibet108 3 years ago
Tibet108:
thanks for making this video. Long Live Tibet and Long Live His Holiness the Great 14th Dalai Lama!!!!
tibgurl08 3 years ago
Tibet108:
Thank you for making this video!
tibgurl08 3 years ago
Okay, lets be fair about this. I'm a Canadian Citizen, 3rd yrs student at University of Toronto. Please list several books, that proves / supports your arguement about "Tibet does not belong to China." I'll wait for your replied.
VanFinales 3 years ago
Tibet has been occupied by China since 1950. Governments all over the world recognize Tibet as part of China, today. Be sure you understand the argument, clearly. Tibet has been part of China since 1950. However, the Mongol and Manchu conquests of Tibet, China, and Mongolia, did not make Mongolia and Tibet part of China since ancient timess. To proove that Tibet was not part of Tang China see Pan, Yihong, Song of Heaven and Heavenly Qaghan: Sui-Tang China and its Neighbors, 1997.
tibet108 3 years ago
To proove that Tibet was not made part of China by the Mongol Conquest (but was made part of a Mongol State) see Petech, Luciano, Tibetan Relations with Sung China and with the Mongols, in China Among Equals, ed, Morris Rossabi. 1983.See also The Mongol Empire and its Legacy, David O. Morgan, 1999. More? There is agreement among historians on this. Tibet was never part of China until the 1950 conquest. The Party is lieing when it says "Tibet has been part of China since ancient Times."
tibet108 3 years ago
tibet108 listen to what you're saying. You're simply aruging that Han Chinese is the only legitimate representation of China, by telling people that the Manchu dynasty can not represent China. If you want it that way, why blame CCP for spreading hate? According to your logic, the Hans can all see the minorities in CHina as unwelcomed foreigners and there is no need to treat them equally.
Your logic flows both ways. Also I would suppose since you love democracy you would approve my comment.
markfeng66 3 years ago
Markfeng66-- Your circular reasoning is faith based, not fact based. History shows that the CCP's claim to have 'inherited' its borders from Manchu conquests (Or Mongol or Tang depending on how dumb the Chinese making the argument is...) is faith based, not fact based. Only CCP hacks make the argument that Tibet has been part of China since the 13th Century. Because if Mongol Conquests make a country part of China ,then everhything from Moscow to Seoul would be part of China. Appealing but false
tibet108 3 years ago
tibet108:
Are you then saying if Han had made the conquest then it is justified??
markfeng66 3 years ago
The world needs a fact based relationship with China. China is too important to be lying to the world. Its a matter of integrity. Can the world community trust the Chinese State? China says its rise will be peaceful. Is that true? Is that what Sino Tibetan history teaches us? CCP is willing to lie about history to its own people, and to the world. It gives out partisan misinformation. Why? What does that say about the integrity of the CCP State? It cannot be trusted.
tibet108 3 years ago
You didn't answer me. I asked you would Han conquest be justified, since you don't think Manchu Dynasty can represent China.
markfeng66 3 years ago
Justified? You want China's occupation of Tibet to be based on imperial conquest? CCP does not want to justify its conquest with the imperialist reality of its actions. Thats why it lies to you about history. If it faces history then it has to say, "We conquered Tibet in 1950. Its ours. " Then how are CCP conquests in 1950 of Xingjiang and Tibet any different from UK and EU imperialist conquests in 1850? CCP is an imperialist, racist dictatorship-- misrepresenting history to the Chinese people
tibet108 3 years ago
No that's not I meant. I'm simply asking you if the Emepror of Qing Dynasty was Han would you think the current rule over Tibet is justified then?
markfeng66 3 years ago