Speechless...Silencing the Christians - Part 4 of 7

[mabdancer]

Basically they believe "it's ok to perform hate crimes on gays?" News Flash : there isn't a gay agenda. All gay people want is the same civil rights as any tax paying law abiding citizen. If you don't won't to be persecuted then don't spew out hate and discrimination. Stop making yourselves out to be a martyr.

[IcedCoffee81]

Of course it's terrible and sad what happened to people like Mathew Shepherd in Wyoming. It's awful that a young bright man like him was killed by heterosexual bullies. But why are Christians being so villified for being homophobes. You liberal, hippie, fruity, wimpy, tree hugging, trailer trash, occultist, and leftist shrimps don't criticize fundamentalist Muslims and Jews for being just as critical and harsh toward gays, women, and minorities around the world. Mathew himself was a Christian.

[GAYPRIDE1985]

I am against the fact that we all pay more taxes because your church, and all churches are NOT taxed just because. And I am against the fact that abstinence is taught in school with my tax dollars but you know what? It doesnt change anything. Hate crime laws are totally justified. The fact that they want to even eliminate laws against those just proved that hate, ignorance, and homophobia really is the true motivation for everything they do.

[JiC87]

Stephen: Could i have the government funded documents please!? And the gay group is fine because schools have BASIC Brother and sisters in christ. Could I have his newspaper letter please? Could I have his case documents please. P.S. the U.S. Constitution has the 1st amendment . So equating hate crime laws in Canada to the U.S. is questionable. Provide me with the court documents of ANY U.S. case where a person was prosecuted and convicted for preaching against gays.

[gilliamjf]

Gay is not an external factor, and happiness comes from within

[giramino]

@CyborgNinja7 Second read the Bible for yourself. Get to know and understand the scriptures. You'll notice that your hate toward Christians who proclaim God's Word and your hypocritical and hateful nonsense comments will make a lot more sense. And finally, get with a good pastor who can council and help you with your current state of mind, spirituality, homosexuality and the confusion about what is right and what is wrong and the ability to know the difference.

[giramino]

@CyborgNinja7 It always amazes me when someone who claims to be a Christian, claims to have read the Bible and claims to be on the side of God and His Son Jesus writes hateful comments about Christians who quote the Word of God, the Bible and then accuse those Christians of being someone's 'judge' or of being 'hateful'. First of all, I'm no one's judge, however God is. And it is He Who said that your homosexuality is sinful and wrong not me.

[CyborgNinja7]

I wonder if these people would campaign against hate crimes for black people, or Jews, or anything except gays. No? What a surprise.

[giramino]

@CyborgNinja7 You seem to be offended by correction and the inability to know the difference between correction and hate. In addition, the sin of homosexuality has nothing whatsoever to do with someone's race. A person is born a certain race and has no choice whereas a sinful activity is a choice someone makes. The persons you accuse do not hate anyone but present correction and perhaps conviction. There is a difference much the same as a parent correcting their child. No hate whatsoever.

[DumblyBrilliant]

America is being sold cultural Marixm under the guise of gay rights and feminist rights etc. It is all smoke and mirrors and it is designed to destroy your society, piece by piece, from within. Read what the early feminists who were funded by the Soviets and the Rothchilds said about destroying the family and the Church. Their allies, the gay militants have said the same things. WAKE UP America or every freedom you hold dear will die and the State will rule your every thought.

[oddjob29]

the little old lady and pregnant women are probably not hate crimes. my guess is they would be attacked for their purses since they're easy targets. that's THEFT! it's a crime... but not cause they're women etc. if the robbers yelled 'bitch! 'Whore!' etc at them, then it's a hate crime. they're attacked BECAUSE they're women, not just for money. hate crimes make perfect sense and are needed

[Sarasxynswt1990]

With all due respect the little old lady and pregnant woman are protected under hate crime laws. A ahte crime is nothing more than a crime committed againt a person for who they are. the little old lady would be protected on the basis of her age and or sex.

[j4unumber1]

No need to say sorry giramino. I am not... Not one bit.

However, may I suggest that your demographic and your fundamentalist Christian friends leave gay people alone? Otherwise the demographic that you affiliate with will truly be sorry and feel deep regret. So-called hate crimes legislation is policy enacted in order to protect gay people from people like you. It is not to protect fundamentalists from consequences in spewing hate propaganda towards gay people. Remember that!

[giramino]

Christians have a deep respect for God and His Word. It is God Who has said that your sin of homosexuality is an 'abomination' to Him and 'unnatural'. You should therefore take up your protest with God rather than His followers, as they are only doing as they are told to do. If you have a protest with what God has said, then I would not want to be in your shoes, but that's entirely up to you. He has given you a free will to do as you choose.

[giramino]

I deleted your last comment only due to your profanity so that it would not offend others. Im sorry you feel that way about a Christian and hope that someday you will understand your error, seek forgiveness through God's Son, Jesus and become a Christian yourself. You may or not know that the Apostle Paul also was extremely critical and hateful towards Christians and those with higher morals than his at the time, but eventually ended up writing 3/4 of the New Testament.

[ColonPal]

@giramino --I have moral standards and ethical codes that FAR EXCEED those of the BIble. Christians need to realize that there are many who believe that Biblical morality is archaic, substandard, out-dated and IMMORAL.

Furthermore, if you don't like this, or you disagree, file it under the category of TOO BAD. Christian beliefs and morality is IRRELEVANT in today's society. It's refreshing to see that religion is fading away. Hopefully there will be a day when we can exist in peace and harmony.

[giramino]

@ColonPal It seems that you've set yourself up as your own god, something God has also forbidden. I hope you will come to know Him through His Son, Jesus. Everything will make perfect sense to you at that point, as you are extremely confused it seems at least from your comments. Accept Jesus and know that He died for you because He loves you so much. Just accept that love and salvation.

[ColonPal]

@giramino -- And perhaps it's YOU who should read the new testament, I've read it and was horrified by much of it and have no need or reason to read it more. I also don't HAVE any questions that the Bible could ever begin to answer, but the question I have of you is this: WHY is it that you're so threatened by those who have opposing views? What is it that makes you fear homosexuals so? And if God is so powerful, then why have no Christians returned from the dead like Jesus did?

[giramino]

@ColonPal From your comments I can at least understand why the Word of God would cause you to be 'horrified' especially the many scriptures concerning the Judgment Day of God and the many teachings on the blessings and curses and so forth. I'm sure it could be quite concerning for someone outside the Kingdom of God and I really can't blame you. I only hope you will accept the salvation of Jesus and allow Him to be your Lord and Savior.

[ColonPal]

@giramino -- What horrified me was the immoral acts that the Bible endorses. Like slavery, killing children who curse, not allowing women to even SPEAK in church, burning children alive as an offering to God. Allowing slave owners the right to rape women who are not virgins.

If you'd like the quotes, I'd be happy to provide them, of course if you're well-versed in the Bible then you know what I'm referring to.

There is no 'salvation' in Jesus except the one you INVENT for yourself.

[giramino]

@ColonPal Please read the New Testament once again as you are missing a whole lot starting with Jesus Who came to set the captives free, a full understanding of Paul's teaching to the church concerning women speaking out during a church meeting, etc. Salvation is God's free gift to all who will simply receive Him.

[mikeroephonics]

@giramino Super cool story, bro.

[j4unumber1]

Evidently, the man here being interviewed at the start of this video is wearing clothing made from more than one fabric while expressing his disdain for gay people. Pathetic!  Looks like he would be the better candidate for going to Hell for his own disobedience. This guy doesn't even realize he is commiting a sin for wearing that outfit. Pity...

[giramino]

He's not commiting any sin. Read the entire New Testament for full details why.

[j4unumber1]

but also you seem to rate or scale which is considered the more grave sin than others. That's God's job but uhhh...according your rendition of God, the Hebrew God, God explicitly states that God is against people eating pigs and shellfish. The Hebrew God also believes the act of individuals growing vegetable gardens as a sinful act. Also the sin of wearing clothing made from more than one fabric. 

Make sure you get rid of your wardrobe before criticizing gay people again. Ok? :-)

[giramino]

Again, read and study the entire New Testament before making such absurd comments. Thanks.

[j4unumber1]

People are not obligated here to stop any so-called nonsense towards a person that believes Hebrew theology is the be-all-end-all regarding spritual knowledge. Ok? You believe in Christianity and that the Holy Bible is the correct scripture when not only you judge negatively child marriages between children and even children married to adults (15 year olds in a sexual relationship and married with 22 year olds was typical in biblical times, by the way),

[jardef1986]

CBALLEN: where are your resources for "male sodomites" being more disease covered than heterosexual men? Or can you prove that they have more contact transmitted disease? If you make a claim, back it up with resources.

[CBALLEN]

As a group of people,male sodomites carry more disease than any other group around and yes there are many diseases that can be caught off a toilet seat.

[Likwidlyric]

Expressing values is pandering? You can "think for yourself" , or believe whatever you want... just be surprised if everyone doesn't agree.

[Likwidlyric]

Where did I pick and choose anything? I am not the judge, and never claimed to be. I am merely going by whats written in the word of God. No one is forcing you to belive anything, however do not be shocked that Bible-believeing Christians dont condone this lifestyle.

[ramboministry2256]

glory the problem is satan hates the truth. keep standing for biblical truth.

[Likwidlyric]

i guess Christians are supposed to ignore our moral values, and say homosexuality is ok...or else we "hate" them. Great logic

[JoeyBoya]

yea you should!! Just like we ignore Obesity (GLUTNY), DIVORCE, Judgement, Eating shrimp (SHELLFISH), ETC the only different with all those sins is that they are openly accepted yet not debated.... Where everyone debates wether gay people are even a sin?

[Likwidlyric]

Im not sure who the "we" is you are talking about here, but the fact that you think anyone should ignore moral values speaks for itself in my view. Eating shrimp was a dietary law because it was unhealthy. Thats not a moral law. also it is written divorce is not a sin if the spouse is sexually immoral. that leaves gluttony, which is the sin of greed... people may say greed is ok but im not one of them. There is no debate whether homosexuality is sinful, it is spelled out pretty clearly.

[JoeyBoya]

"PICK AND CHOOSE" all you want, If you truly from the bottom of your heart feel there is a moral obligation of problem to people whom are gay!! Who are you to judge whom are you to condemn? Even if i thought it was a choice or a sin i couldnt imagine god would want me to force myself onto them i would think i should expose my beliefs and let them come to me....BUT LET ME BE CLEAR I KNOW ITS NOT A CHOICE OR A SIN!!

[ramboministry2256]

glory!!! best answer on here

[giramino]

So is incest and so is statutory rape (full consent of a 15 year old with a 22 year old), and most 60 year old child molesters will swear the little 5 year old girl was flirting with him and both male and female adulators were completely consenting. Please, lets stop this nonsense. I think youre attempting to troll which not many have time for. Homosexuality is wrong, its a sin and if you dont agree, then please pray about that with God and have Him direct you.

[errskin]

"Homosexuality is wrong" - is it wrong in that its bad in itself? if so, then explain how. is it wrong because the bible says so? if so, then your opinion is empty.

[Pooperscooper1112]

Look, how is homosexuality right? is it right because the constitution says we are free?

Is rape right and just? no because it is morally wrong. To me, homosexuality is morally wrong.

[IantoCross]

Problem is, "pooper", that rape is illegal, and being gay is not. Score one for a secular, non-religious government!

[ramboministry2256]

children need a mom and dad. not too of the same sex.

[errskin]

why?

[PhilosoFighter2012]

@ramboministry2256 *two. and the only thing a child needs is a caring and loving environment. Children don't need a mom and a dad...they need someone who will love them and take care of them.

[s3tione]

@ramboministry2256 your sentence maid know cents.

[giramino]

Please consult your concordance and locate all of them.

[giramino]

Homosexulity was already happening and that's why God warned Abraham and his wife to leave.

[giramino]

There are scriptures throughout, especially the Old Testament. Please consult your concordance and locate all of them.

[giramino]

Homosexuality was one of the abominations already happening there. That's why God warned Abraham and his wife to quickly leave.

[giramino]

I personally think that rapists should receive capital punishment for conviction on the first offense. But thats just me. The subject here however is homosexuality, another sin God has forbidden in both the Old and New Testaments. If you wish to troll for a rape argument then you should type in the keyword rape and start there. Were talking about one sin here, homosexuality not rape. And I think Ive been clear concerning my opinion of rapists. You're attempting to avoid the main subject

[giramino]

If you love someone who happens to be another male or female the same as you and have sex with them is that then OK? No thats the sin of homosexuality. Love is not a sin. Bestiality, incest, adultery and homosexuality are all sins regardless of how much you are in love with or love your pet, parents, brothers or sisters, next door neighbors or someone who is another male or female like yourself.

[giramino]

You can truly love your pet dog, but would you have sex with the dog and then say its OK since after all, you love your dog or cat? No thats the sin of bestiality. If you love your parents and have sex with them is that OK also? No thats a sin of incest. If you love someone who is not your husband or wife and have sex with them, is that OK as long as you love the person youre breaking your holy vows of matrimony with? No thats the sin of adultery.

[giramino]

You've missed the point again.  The point is this: To say you love or to actually love someone does not give you a free pass to sin. "I sinned, but I love this person" is not a justification for your sin.

[giramino]

First of all, love is not a sin as you have assumed. Two, the video and the conversation is not about the sin of rape but of homosexuality.

[giramino]

You seem to acknowledge one or two of the fruits of the Holy Spirit but ignore others, specifically "self-control" (Galatians 5:22-23) "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control."

Jesus also taught that good works, giving to the poor, loving others and a whole list of good deeds will not in themselves give us salvation, eternal life in Heaven or the fulfillment of the Kingdom of God.

[giramino]

If you help an old lady cross the street safely and after shes on the other side, you rob her purse, does the fact you loved this lady enough to help her across the street give you a free pass then to commit the sin of theft? We should of course love everyone, but because you love someone or anyone in itself does not give you the right to sin against God.

[giramino]

The only point I was making is the fact that you can evidently genuinely and indeed love someone and still commit a sin with or against them all at the same time. There are news reports in almost any newspaper to support this point. I never said you didnt love someone or did not love them.

[JohnnyBB82]

These people are morally and intellectually bankrupt. Trying to make money off of spreading a message of hate from "God", and using the Orwellian title "Silencing the Christians" for their hour-long hate film against gays. Despicable.

[JoeyBoya]

If the so called christians who made this movie want to represent god they should spread LOVE not HATE

[giramino]

There is no hate anywhere in this entire series. You could possibly perceive the truth as hate as a result of your own guilt, conscience or conviction of the Holy Spirit. Thats good though as it will eventually lead you to repentance. Nobody in this series is hateful and certainly God does not hate you. He loves you and in fact wants all of us to rebuke the evil that causes the distance between Him and His children.

[JoeyBoya]

I know god does not hate me!!!! Dude u know this video is messed up so stop trying to defend it. We as a human race have to come together and love eachother and apart of that love is acceptance of our differences....NO MATTER HOW MUCH SOME PEOPLE MIGHT WANT US ALL TO BE THE SAME thats just not how things work we are all so different and instead of judging one of those differences try embracing it youll find urslef much happier as well as those around you my generation is generation X

[giramino]

In reference with your acceptance plan, are you advocating that we should also accept adultery, cheating, lying and stealing as being acceptable behavior? Does your plan of acceptance also include those who are child molesters and rapists? Should they not be reprimanded either? What about murderers? Are you treating all equal in your acceptance plan?

[JoeyBoya]

My acceptance plan includes everyone who spreads love and is living their own lives not hurte someone else!!! SO NO MY PLAN DOESNT INCLUDE PPL WHO MOLEST CHILDREN OR RAPIST OR PEOPLE LIKE U WHOM MARCH AROUND WITH YOUR AGENDA TRYING TO FIT EVERYONE INTO YOUR SQUARE SHAPE BOX

[giramino]

So evidently adultery, lying and stealing are OK with you and acceptable? You pick and choose a child molester or rapist as not being acceptable, however one who commits adultery or is a lair or thief or homosexual is OK?

[anyname13579]

that guy says that the 14th amendment gives everyone the equal rights. note that he conveniently left out the part that the amendment was made specifically for the recently freed (male) slaves. women didn't have equal rights until the 19th amendment when they were granted suffrage.

[anyname13579]

(oops, i said the equal rights. lol. take out that the)

oh, and that whole hate crime thing with the pastor happened IN CANADA!!! how in the world does that relate to america and it's laws? i know that it's a very global society and things need to be paid attention to, but this whole video is about how this all affects the US so the fact that it is in canada totally negates the argument and renders it useless.

[JoeyBoya]

How can a real christian support this video??? This is sad and wrong!! These people need to get a life and leave the gay and lesbian community and their allies alone LOVE THY NEIGHBOR

[giramino]

The Word of God is clear. God loves us without measure, but hates sin the same as parents who love their children but hate certain behavior. It's not a 'love thy neighbor' issue but a sin issue and has nothing to do with God hating anyone because He doesn't hate anyone. He loves everyone, but does not approve of certain behavior.

[giramino]

Unlike other sins, homosexuality has a severe judgment administered by God Himself. This judgment is simple: They are given over to their passions. That means that their spirits are allowed to be ignored by their sins (Romans 1:18). As a result, they can no longer detect the error of what they are doing. Without an awareness of their sinfulness, there will be no repentance and trusting in Jesus. Without Jesus, they will have no forgiveness. Without forgiveness, there is no salvation.

[JohnnyBB82]

Basically you're saying people who are gay get their moral compass revoked by God, and therefore incapable of ever repenting? You're a tool. Grow up, no gay person wants to sleep with you, so you'll be just fine.

[giramino]

No not at all. Youve put the context completely backwards. The fact is, they turn from God. God never changes or moves from anyone. They choose for reasons unknown to move away from Him, not the other way around. He loves them the same but desire a close relationship with His creation, not one thats distant or worse, removed from Him. Without the acknowledgment of their error there is no repentance (turning to God and turning away from sin).

[JohnnyBB82]

So my wanting a real, fulfilling relationship with someone who happens to be of the same sex turns me away from God, because God is grossed out by gay sex? I don't get it, and I'm sure you don't either.

[giramino]

Sexually normal people say the same thing as they continue an illicit love affair outside of their promised vows of marriage. What could be wrong with me loving this other person? We could start with your husband or wife's disapproval, God's disapproval, societys disapproval just for starters. It's the same with homosexuality. Because you decide to commit sin and call it love is no justification.

[giramino]

In addition, people have killed other people that they swore they "loved" but killed them anyway. So then killing is OK if you love them? Your justification attempt is just not valid.

[JohnnyBB82]

You're twisting it as apparently you like to do, with your promotion of this propaganda. Love is in no way comparable to killing, so that analogy goes right out the window, secondly, our love of our companion isn't in any way comparable to an illicit affair, because our relationship DOESN'T HURT PEOPLE, whereas obviously murder and infidelity do. So your fallacious argument is based upon what, again?

[hbfarker]

There is a two-tier system in our country: DADT and DOMA are illegal under the same 14th Amendment that Matt Barber is referring to. Yet he supports both of these laws. Hate Crimes Laws were put in place because local law enforcement often looks the other way when crimes against minority groups have taken place.

[Itchhhh]

Noody to blame but ourselves (conservatives)! We've allowed this to get way out of hand.

[Nasvan]

Bah "Look whats coming in through the back door of our country"

[DianaArmstrongGonzal]

It seems to me it is us, the Christians that are targets of hate crimes today~

[j2jpop]

Everybody is the target of hate crimes. Women, men, blacks, whites, gays, straights. Not only today, but yesterday, and the day before that, and the day before that.

[Nauticalman]

Bottom line: 'hate crime' legislation is UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

I broke up a fight TWICE by two homosexuals, only to have them arrested the third time when one maced the other in the face. -Should he have been charged with hate crime since the person he attacked was a homosexual, or are homosexuals EXCLUDED?

In the state of law we keep it simple: Domestic violence=SOMEONE goes to jail.

[thatlamphasrabies]

I don't think you're understanding what a hate crime is. A hate crime is done out of hate or disgust for a certain characteristic of a person, such as race, gender, or religious beliefs.

The homosexuals in the fights you broke up weren't fighting each other because of hatred of the characteristic of being homosexual, they were fighting each other for another reason.

[RoseEEOE]

"... when my tax dollars were used to fund ..."

Then why do gay people have to pay for social security, medical, marriage, etc benefits they are not allowed to enjoy???

[Deferio]

And if truth is what is being propagandized....what is the problem?

Are you suggesting that we believe your non religious propaganda against religious propaganda?

[RoseEEOE]

"And if truth is what is being propagandized....what is the problem?

Are you suggesting that we believe your non religious propaganda against religious propaganda?"

There is probably not even a 5min swatch of this movie in which some main point can not be fully discredited. Thats the problem.

[Deferio]

Why not give us an example?

[RoseEEOE]

Well, first of all, the entire movie is based on the lie that most (or even many) gay people have even read that absurd book, not to mention read and follow it.

"I have never known a crime that was done out of pleasure"

It happens, sadly, and the whole statement is a diversion to what the law means.

"Special class of people"

Religion is (as in they are) covered under the same laws, most changes of which give even more clout to religious institutions with regard to hiring and otherwise.

[RoseEEOE]

I don't really want to page through this whole movie again and write a novel ....

[nonamelef]

They do make a good point on the agenda, and the plan that the book lays out. You can see the change, and how it is now politically incorrect to say anything anti gay. Regardless of where you stand on the issue, it seems that moray wise, as well as legislatively speaking, their plan is working to the point where Christians are now starting to be discriminated against.

[Nauticalman]

"All people should be created equal". Homosexuals REJECT this, insisting that crimes against them deserve greater punishment than crimes comited against the elderly. Furthermore, homosexuals (not called 'gays') FORCE their sexual beliefs on children in public schools, and have SUED parents who supported their children's RIGHT to stand up for their beliefs that don't embrace homosexuality, even if it is on a religious basis.

"Tolerance", huh??? Hmmmm....

[RoseEEOE]

"Homosexuals REJECT this, insisting that crimes against them deserve greater punishment than crimes comited against the elderly."

Terroism against a specific group DOES hurt more than just those persons in that group that they tried to make an example of.

[Nauticalman]

ROFL... 'terrorism'! Lay off the propaganda!

[RoseEEOE]

"ROFL... 'terrorism'! Lay off the propaganda!"

Thats the whole point. Make them as taboo, teased, discriminated against, etc to scare gay children straight (I.E. into the closet). Its no wonder how many of them end up killing themselves.

[kristinh883]

Um, I hate to say it, but some people do commit a crime for the pleasure of it. So I believe Hate Crimes Legislation is a good idea when the hate of a person is the motivation, be it because they're gay or jewish or whatever.

[robertbrownell]

The problem with Hate Crime Legislation is that once the government defines someone who opposes homosexuality as Hateful, then sooner or later the law needs to oppose him, his speech, his opinions, his faith.

It's already illegal to do any kind of violence against homosexuals. (as it should be)

[casehater]

Hate crime legislation is a measure to prevent crime which is more likely to happen. It isn't that gays have a higher value; it is that they are at higher risk of assault. How many pregnant women or old women are beaten because they are pregnant or old women?