And this was long before superstars had their own personal trainers and regimens. If he'd entered the league 25 years later, he could have had a 25-year career.
Speed, quickness and a relentless movement that destroyed other players breath and desire to guard him you will never see another like him again in the nba.
Im a Laker fan and i dont need to explain the rivalry that we have with Bean Town, but 8 championships is something that should be respected by all who love basketball.
I think we should all realize that to be a true, mature Lakers fan is to be, at least secretly, a true Celtics fan (or anti-fan, because we still hate them).
I didn't post this video to start a stupid argument. Everyone here has valid points, just do it without pointless name calling. Otherwise, you're blocked.
Besides man how many steals they have? not enough to be compared to Hondo had at least more then Jordan he is at least 2nd in steals they didn't count steals back then, so fuck off.
So now your trying to say that Russell Malone Cowens or Rodman were supposed to have as many steals as the great John Havlicek who was 1 of my favorite C's who I had the pleasure of watching play at the Garden for 16 SEASONS? Big guys the size of the 4 players I mentioned usually don't have the quick hands like guards and don't cover the ballhandler giving them a better chance at getting a steal. Go look at the steal leader every year it's always a guard or forward never a center. Later FOOL
Hondo was playing second fiddle to Walton [the only guard better than him] half his career he would have much much more high stats if he had played every game. Oh yes and the American Associaition didn'tcount steals as a stat so if he averaged three steals a game x all the games he was in the AA hmm that would put him above the record for most steals. I'm not saying that he would but he had more steals then Jordan thats for damn sure.
The only Waltons in NBA history that played at the same time John "Hondo" Havlicek did in the NBA are: a) Bill of the Portland Trail Blazers, who was a center, and b) Lloyd of the Milwaukee Bucks who was a guard, who played "second fiddle" to Brian Winters. So, I don't know what on earth you're talking about.
Stick with the New Jersey Devils because YOU KNOW DICK ABOUT BASKETBALL if you think Walton was a guard. American Association? Where did you get that from you devil you?
wow.... Seriously? you are one very opionated bastard besides i was born and raised a celts fan so stop being a dick. You probably like Dennis Rodman.
Me like Dennis Rodman? Don't make me LMAO. One thing I can say is that if I was a coach and needed a rebound in a key situation there would be 4 players I would want going after it Bill Russell,Dave Cowens,Moses Malone or Dennis Rodman. Russell and Malone were the best at positioning themselves for a rebound and Cowens or Rodman would run through a fucking brick wall for it. Stick with the New Jersey Devils and Hockey dumbass.
John Havlicek was arguably the greatest guard-forward to ever play the game he had a sick floor game he was a great shooter and defender. In fact, Elliot Kalb who is called "Mr. Stats" by his colleagues (he's ABC's and ESPN's #1 statistician) said that if the NBA kept records of steals (before 1974), HE WOULD'VE BEEN RANKED #1 IN STEAL ALL-TIME, not Stockton! I'm 36 years old, and I only saw him play his last two years in the league, but he still showed flashes of what he was, an all-time great.
And I'll respond to what Ice wrote, are the players better one-on-one players today?, absolutely. Are they better athletes today?, no doubt about it. Are they better fundamentally?, no way. Are they better team players?, not on your life. You also stated that today's player is a more skilled player, I disagree, passing, shooting and moving without the basketball are all fundamental skills, b-ball 101 which is lacking today. That's why the rule in guarding the U.S. Olympic teams now are, pack ...
... in your half court defense, get back in transition and let the United States shoot from the perimeter, because if you stop their fast break, force them to execute their half-court offense and shoot from the perimeter, you can beat the U.S. That's why a lot of international players are filling NBA roster spots foreign countries focus on the fundamentals of the game, not the flash like we do. I'm 36 years old and still play ball, and I'm always trying to educate these youngins' on the basics.
At one point, I questioned whether Paul Pierce would ever surpass him, or even Larry Bird for that matter, but now that KG and Ray Allen are with him, it won't ever happen. Not only that, Havlicek once said someone told him, "You will pass out before you injure yourself."
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can you imagine how badly guys like these would just get flat out schooled by the kobes, lebrons, and wades in this league. players back then dont match up to skill, a player in college is better than nba players in the 50s and 60s
Yeah really. Maybe the greatest swingman, if you wanna talk about being able to do it all on both ends. Kinda like a Grant Hill who never got hurt. But 2-guard....there is only one. And we all know his name.
what position did he play
realtalk300 9 months ago
Havlicek may have been the most well-conditioned NBA player ever. This guy could run FOREVER. Unreal.
amd77j 10 months ago
@amd77j
And this was long before superstars had their own personal trainers and regimens. If he'd entered the league 25 years later, he could have had a 25-year career.
americanaccents 10 months ago
Just a beautiful player to watch!!
BigdogH201 11 months ago
Speed, quickness and a relentless movement that destroyed other players breath and desire to guard him you will never see another like him again in the nba.
ThePleasanthill 1 year ago
This guy was very good and very underrated .
garioldwin 1 year ago
Class personified and true greatness is Hondo Havilcek
easyscore 1 year ago
lol this video makes hondo look like a criminal on americas most wanted. he wasn't THAT good at stealing was he?
4thwonder 2 years ago
Havlicek stole the ball.
kiminokami 2 years ago
Im a Laker fan and i dont need to explain the rivalry that we have with Bean Town, but 8 championships is something that should be respected by all who love basketball.
TemplarReturns 2 years ago
I think we should all realize that to be a true, mature Lakers fan is to be, at least secretly, a true Celtics fan (or anti-fan, because we still hate them).
kiminokami 2 years ago
I see what your saying. i mean I hate the Celtics but we (we true Laker fans) have to give Boston some respect. But that rivalry will never die.
TemplarReturns 2 years ago
WTF? no i am saying that hondo had at least the esecond most steals in history smart one.
NewJerseyDevilsFan23 2 years ago
I would hope so stupid fuck since he had those quick hands and played 16 seasons. Just admit you don't have a clue. Later Mr e?second smart one..
13war25en 2 years ago 4
I didn't post this video to start a stupid argument. Everyone here has valid points, just do it without pointless name calling. Otherwise, you're blocked.
americanaccents 2 years ago
NewJerseyDevilsFan23-Just read my comment below.
13war25en 2 years ago
come on come up with new come backs.
Besides man how many steals they have? not enough to be compared to Hondo had at least more then Jordan he is at least 2nd in steals they didn't count steals back then, so fuck off.
NewJerseyDevilsFan23 2 years ago
So now your trying to say that Russell Malone Cowens or Rodman were supposed to have as many steals as the great John Havlicek who was 1 of my favorite C's who I had the pleasure of watching play at the Garden for 16 SEASONS? Big guys the size of the 4 players I mentioned usually don't have the quick hands like guards and don't cover the ballhandler giving them a better chance at getting a steal. Go look at the steal leader every year it's always a guard or forward never a center. Later FOOL
13war25en 2 years ago 3
Wow, 8 championships. What a career.
Paperbagman555 2 years ago 3
Hondo was playing second fiddle to Walton [the only guard better than him] half his career he would have much much more high stats if he had played every game. Oh yes and the American Associaition didn'tcount steals as a stat so if he averaged three steals a game x all the games he was in the AA hmm that would put him above the record for most steals. I'm not saying that he would but he had more steals then Jordan thats for damn sure.
NewJerseyDevilsFan23 3 years ago
The only Waltons in NBA history that played at the same time John "Hondo" Havlicek did in the NBA are: a) Bill of the Portland Trail Blazers, who was a center, and b) Lloyd of the Milwaukee Bucks who was a guard, who played "second fiddle" to Brian Winters. So, I don't know what on earth you're talking about.
americanaccents 3 years ago 3
Stick with the New Jersey Devils because YOU KNOW DICK ABOUT BASKETBALL if you think Walton was a guard. American Association? Where did you get that from you devil you?
13war25en 2 years ago 2
wow.... Seriously? you are one very opionated bastard besides i was born and raised a celts fan so stop being a dick. You probably like Dennis Rodman.
NewJerseyDevilsFan23 2 years ago
Me like Dennis Rodman? Don't make me LMAO. One thing I can say is that if I was a coach and needed a rebound in a key situation there would be 4 players I would want going after it Bill Russell,Dave Cowens,Moses Malone or Dennis Rodman. Russell and Malone were the best at positioning themselves for a rebound and Cowens or Rodman would run through a fucking brick wall for it. Stick with the New Jersey Devils and Hockey dumbass.
13war25en 2 years ago 3
Hondo's the man.
PositiveEdge 3 years ago
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fengineer08 3 years ago
John Havlicek was arguably the greatest guard-forward to ever play the game he had a sick floor game he was a great shooter and defender. In fact, Elliot Kalb who is called "Mr. Stats" by his colleagues (he's ABC's and ESPN's #1 statistician) said that if the NBA kept records of steals (before 1974), HE WOULD'VE BEEN RANKED #1 IN STEAL ALL-TIME, not Stockton! I'm 36 years old, and I only saw him play his last two years in the league, but he still showed flashes of what he was, an all-time great.
alcorderyjr 3 years ago
And I'll respond to what Ice wrote, are the players better one-on-one players today?, absolutely. Are they better athletes today?, no doubt about it. Are they better fundamentally?, no way. Are they better team players?, not on your life. You also stated that today's player is a more skilled player, I disagree, passing, shooting and moving without the basketball are all fundamental skills, b-ball 101 which is lacking today. That's why the rule in guarding the U.S. Olympic teams now are, pack ...
alcorderyjr 3 years ago 2
... in your half court defense, get back in transition and let the United States shoot from the perimeter, because if you stop their fast break, force them to execute their half-court offense and shoot from the perimeter, you can beat the U.S. That's why a lot of international players are filling NBA roster spots foreign countries focus on the fundamentals of the game, not the flash like we do. I'm 36 years old and still play ball, and I'm always trying to educate these youngins' on the basics.
alcorderyjr 3 years ago
VERY well put!
americanaccents 3 years ago
Hondo.
NMQuimbo 3 years ago
most points in celtic history
fartbag777 4 years ago
At one point, I questioned whether Paul Pierce would ever surpass him, or even Larry Bird for that matter, but now that KG and Ray Allen are with him, it won't ever happen. Not only that, Havlicek once said someone told him, "You will pass out before you injure yourself."
americanaccents 4 years ago
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can you imagine how badly guys like these would just get flat out schooled by the kobes, lebrons, and wades in this league. players back then dont match up to skill, a player in college is better than nba players in the 50s and 60s
lcgroves11191 4 years ago
What's your point? Tell me what positive effect your post had?
Soul74 4 years ago
What's your point? Tell me what positive effect your post had?
Soul74 4 years ago
USA players back then didn't lose to Spain and Greece
oldjoe5 3 years ago
SLACK, these guys are the founders of modern day Basketball
ritches48 3 years ago
Oh please, those are two different eras your judging lcgroves.
joesakic91 3 years ago
John Havlicek might be the greatest two guard in NBA history. He did it all at both ends and he had class.
jerjets11 4 years ago 9
hehehe
craxytun 3 years ago
@jerjets11 isnt Jordan 2 guard?
TheKinepik 1 year ago
@TheKinepik
Yeah, really.
americanaccents 1 year ago
@TheKinepik , Today, Hondo would be a 2. Also, he played both guard and forward, and Jordan did too.
jerjets11 1 year ago
@jerjets11 He was a great player but better than Jordan? nope.
Sovnarkom 5 months ago
@Sovnarkom
Yeah really. Maybe the greatest swingman, if you wanna talk about being able to do it all on both ends. Kinda like a Grant Hill who never got hurt. But 2-guard....there is only one. And we all know his name.
americanaccents 5 months ago
@jerjets11 careful with that statement there are alot of michael jordan dick riders here
samtheman7975 3 weeks ago