This BiggerFatterBlog person needs to stop watching Fox Television, and start doing a little real personal research, on the sources of energy, the methods of energy conversion, and the truth of where we are now in 2011 going into 2012.
Leave your 50ties base science behind, and expand your mind into the present.
By the way, do you know that Google, and Virgin are planning a real trip to Mars, and yes they do not expect to find any little green men, or creatures from any black lagoon. Granpa!
Instead of cursing the darkness, why don't you light a candle, do your own research, join the revolution, bring your contributions to the table, why don't you!
As human beings, we are unlimited in what we can create, dead dinosaurs, are not the only source of fuel, wake up and live as a creator, instead of a dull slave. We are not like you, we create our own innovations, world, we are our own saviors, no religion, or government needed, LIVE WITH IT!
XOGEN Was a prototype presentation, a simple proof of concept created to invite others to participate in the process; before running off calling brilliant America inventors scam artist, why not do your own research, when did it became a crime to be creative, and entrepreneurial, Edison must be turning over in his grave, listening to the like of you.
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Their is far more things on the planet than what you learned in your little parish my fellow human. Your argument about energy never being created or destroyed is short sited, Energy can be transformed, and you can use one type of energy to triger or control the flow of another; as in the A bomb, the transistor to amplify sound.
@StreamingJaden No, solar wind can not be harvested and converted to electricity. More pseudo scientific fantasy horseshit from you.
No amount of "mind opening" is going to change this.
Absolute hard fact that you can not escape: You can not create or destroy energy. You can only convert it. And every time you convert its form, a part of that is converted to heat which is usually lost.
No amount of distractions or distortions is going to change these facts.
@a1mint please define how it becomes a scam also this guy=stanley mayer brother the guy who made patents for a H20 car,which by the way in this corporatocracy system monetary base they took him out.Now don't take my word for it check out the media/information that proposed here thanks.
@a1mint Stan Meyer dead due to the oil corporations wanting to keep this system going,silly really also he did patent the works for the rest of the world to look at so that might=a start to check out his information.Almost like not reading the authors book cause he/she did X meaning this in ad hominem way,the same thing have seen to Marko Rodin not even that almost the same thing happened to Nikola Tesla all cause of logical fallacies intentionally and not...Peace.nizkor o rg/features/fallacies/
@a1mint they do mention the input a solar panel or battery,not sure if watched the whole thing plus can use that energy to go back into the battery for instances.so really self sustaining lol maybe hooking it up to a rodin coil even that gives 3 times as much here we go screw monetary artificial scracity.true can always use solar ie UK,but can use tidal,wind(jet stream or off shore or both),geothermal etc also no planned obsolescence and no more debt money with proper information peace.
@Katharsis540 As long as the laws of nature, the conservation of energy in particular, is observed and understood, then anything is possible, within the confined of the quantity that the source of energy provides.
What is not possible is to produce hydrogen that provides more energy than the energy that is required to make that hydrogen. As long as we're all on board with that, we're good to discuss other things.
@a1mint True that does make sense but where does it state that physics=written in stone?at the end of the day this might seem as anomaly or paradox cause we don't hold to much information on it,and going here by Plato Cave Allegory how bound to the cave only know the shadows one gets free sees a vista,birds etc...for the first time then comes back and gets killed either physically,emotionally ie logical fallacies or all of the above,indeed keep questioning things in a creative critical manner.
@Katharsis540 Only scam artists and ignorant fools would suggest that the laws of nature aren't set, or somehow don't apply to whatever the hell it is that they're trying to sell. It's an attempt to remove a road block. An absolute pathetic attempt.
Fact is, that the if these laws of nature were incorrect, that just about anything we know about anything, would completely fall apart and everything would have to be re-learned. Possible or realistic? *NO* !
@Katharsis540 No patent is going to override or find an exception to any law of nature. You can not create or destroy energy, only convert it, period.
@a1mint Well maybe wouldn't get surprised that we may have some logical fallacies here in these,on top funny thing scientist use logical fallacies ie appeal to authority or ad hominem.On top we dealing here with semantics now in the language of math and science ie electricity as an example,we can take the same schematics to japan india etc..and will build the same thing there exist no i think they meant this or that hence why saying look at the patent look at that language peace.
@Katharsis540 Claiming there are logical fallacies in the laws of nature is a desperate attempt from the con-artist camp. Excuses excuses excuses, nothing but excuses. And nothing to show for. All their fantasy crap. Homeopathy, HHO, magnet motors, perpetual motion, overunity, the list goes on and on and on.
@a1mint meant logical fallacies in human language like in this language this form of communication,saying that not really down with homeopathy that can agree on for an example.Still if we look in the patents that use the language of math,science,chemistry,physics etc...we can relate there better and no logical fallacies not interpretations,of course the human error element still exist ie if meant to exist written as amps and wrote volt or miscalculation in the numbers. watch?v=Zu-Hg6ntgqI
@Katharsis540 Your communication shows some fallacies. It's hard to understand you.
The purpose of a patent is not to create a document showing just math, science, etc. The purpose of a patent is to convince / fool even, the government into them handing a government protected monopoly to the applicant. Patent have no credibility in the world of science at all.
As for your video, the source of energy there is electricity, not water. Water is not a source of energy.
@a1mint Why not look into the schematics of how the machine works in order to have a better comprehension,the language of math and science ie:electrician=the same symbols used here recognized globally.Even here we can then look into the physics of electricity how it behaves etc...Overall people did think we couldn't send information wirelessly,that we need wires always to send an electrical signal to somewhere globally yes Tesla achieved this in the start of it he got ridiculed hard.
@a1mint Ok still not a scam cause he does or the device does harness the energy,almost the same thing to say that wireless energy does travel on the air.Do wish could my hand on it to see it in action thou does solidify it more to use,and also helps to see how it made for future upgrades thus going as 5 year old where does energy come from in the start?
@a1mint Ok then where does it come from energy to start with(of course this=another topic now kinda side topic),like stated acting like 5 year old here to question where does it come from?how does it get "created"or"generated" etc...Applying here the 5 W's and 1 H,cause i don't know and coming here with Plato Allegory of the cave where expirencing something and would to share with others and work on it.From here didn't use ad hominem so no need to start with peace.
@a1mint Heard of Marko Rodin or the Rodin Coil?Still feels that formula just half of it don't seem full who knows...suggest to look up Plato Caves Allegory also cause all did was apply critical thinking,nothing more nor did use any logical fallacies ie appeal to authority or fear or novelty or pity etc...peace.
@a1mint where does that claim come from on the video?Not using burden of proof fallacy here w w w*nizkor*org/features/fallacies/burden-of-proof * html
@Katharsis540 u are like a broken robot.. u only say "u can't create or distroy energy"... obsesive...
U can't create from nothing... but still.. If u spin a magnet in a midle of a few wires u get electric energy!, Is not that from nothing?
Here, in fact, is a extremly simple chimical reaction... just divide the h2o in Hidrogen and Oxigen .. what is so friking hard to understand that? As i know, oxigen and hidrogen are 2 inflammable gases... why that is not working for u?
The Government, auto makers, and the oil companies have been in bed with each other for almost a hundred years. I played with this technology twenty years ago. The scientific literature clearly stated the energy loss is to great for their to be any positive energy through electrolysis. And thats where the dialogue ended. Please to any bright youthful minds out there. Don't let some over educated Institutionalized thinker tell you what's possible and what not possible. Your imagination
Because Oil Companies are making too much money right now by milking their time. Government makes a lot of money off taxing oil companies and to sign their own paychecks.
@heartlessvietboy Hydrogen can be used as energy storage. You need an energy source to make hydrogen. New upcoming fuel cells, and I'm talking actual fuel cells, not the HHO peddler electrolyzer kind which isn't a fuel cell at all (they abuse and misuse the term), convert hydrogen into electricity which can then drive an electric motor that moves cars and trucks.
Xogen is just doing ordinary electrolyzing water to make hydrogen (+oxygen) from water. Electrolyzers are a dime a dozen.
@heartlessvietboy People used to think flight was impossible. People used to think the earth was flat. All very stupid comparisons. All those things didn't involve science whatsoever. Science has revealed the laws of nature. There are countless of theories, tested, verified, supporting and relying on all the laws of nature.
Those things aren't opinions, those things are facts.
You can not create or destroy energy for instance. The essence of everything depends on that.
A good number of them aren't facts. They are impartial. If you cannot create energy where did it come from? Have you ever seen something that was just there??
@heartlessvietboy Under the current conditions of the universe, and especially on earth, you can not create or destroy energy. That's just a fact. If that weren't the case, you could be creating perpetual motion devices.
@a1mint this is not perpetual motion or over unity. They are saying that the have a way of pulsing the current in a way that break the covalent bonds with less energy than standard electrolysis. Theoretically it is possible and they did prove it to a patent inspector.
All matter has a harmonic vibration and maybe this Xogen thing can uses simple harmonic motion to break the water by hitting it resonating frequency like a singer can break a glass.
@a1mint They are not claiming they are creating energy out of nothing. They are claiming that they have a way to crack the bonds that hold water together.
When it comes to getting a patent it requires the applicant to prove their claims before a patent is granted. You can't get a patent on a perpetual motion machine.
You may want to read about the patent process.
I don't know if pulses can break the water bond but Exogen is claiming it does and they have proven it to a patent engineer
@BiggerFatterBlog You are WRONG! Any claim that you can "crack" the bonds holding oxygen and hydrogen together will less energy than what the energy that becomes available in the generated hydrogen plus heat, is a claim of creating energy.
Energy in = quantity of water molecules split + heat
It's THAT simple. NOTHING can break that rule.
The *ONLY* thing that can be done to improve it is by reducing the heat loss, which might not even be possible.
@a1mint I am not wrong. I am saying that exogen is claiming they have a way to break the bond between the electrons that comprise water. This in not a thermodynamic process they are using so you are barking up the wrong tree.
Nothing can break that rule? It was guys like you who said the sound barrier was impossible to break even though bullets were traveling at the speed of sound.
All matter has a resonating frequency. Exogen may have found a way to knock the electrons out of their shells.
@BiggerFatterBlog Electrolyzers have been invented long before Xogen. Xogen just has another electrolyzer. Xogen can not patent simply electrolyzer. Prior art, long long time ago.
If they claim that they have a better electrolyzer that can split water with less energy then they are lying.
The laws of nature you or Xogen, are NOT going to break. People once thinking that you couldn't break the sound barrier, flat earth, and impossible flight, those assumptions were completely unscientific.
The patent process is BULLSHIT, everyone knows that. It does NOT validate anything.
Xogen is making FALSE claims. Apparently they suckered government funding for themselves, and THAT must be put to a stop. This is pure and utter FRAUD FRAUD FRAUD.
@a1mint I read xogen's patent. They ran a motor on the gas their device produced. You have to prove your claim to get a patent. Xogen did not claim to have violated the laws of physics. They have been operating since 2004.
Xogen is legit and they are selling products and services to industries. They didn't scam anyone especially not the many scientists and engineers who evaluated their products who are a fucking lot smarter than you.
@BiggerFatterBlog Xogen pretends that water is a source of energy. They claim they can clean up city sewage through electrolysis. They claim that they can heat a house more efficiently by using electric energy to generate hydrogen and then burn that hydrogen in a furnace. A $20 electric space heater is 100% efficient. Xogen's system can NOT be more than 100% efficient. Xogen is most MOST definitely NOT legit.
I run circles around both you and the quacks at Xogen, you MORON !
@a1mint They are not making that claim you fucking retard. You also don't know the difference between efficiency and COP. A heat pump for example has a COP or 5 to 1.
Now go take your pea brain and fuck yourself douche bad.
Electrolysis to clean sewage water using electricity. That would have to be a very high amount of electricity, and where does that come from. Not so green after all!
"The province of Ontario has been very helpful to us". Yes, by scamming tax dollars. And more scamming ahead. Perhaps we can stop this nonsense.
"Water is the new oil". Another false claim. Water is NOT a source of energy.
@BiggerFatterBlog ... "great time to be in the water business". Through producing water by burning hydrogen produced through electrolysis. Anyone can do that. No need for Xogen for that.
"low cost solution".... ahum... electric power requirements? Oops?
How many kWh is required to break the bonds of 1 liter of water?
I haven't completely calculated it yet, but 1 kWh is 3.6 MJ. Liquid hydrogen has 10.1 MJ per liter. But there is oxygen taking up space.
@BiggerFatterBlog ... and *ANY* A C T U A L scientist that evaluates Xogen C R A P would conclude that it's a complete utter F R A U D . In your face bold bona fide carved in stone indisputable LIE after LIE after LIE and then some.
There is no way in HEHELL you can win this find, SUCKER !
@a1mint Xogen did receive a patent and they are operating in Canada. The received a US patent. Companies are buying their products. Obviously their products work as claimed. If their products did not work successful companies would not be buying them.
If this company were committing fraud they would be out of business and it principles would be in jail.
@a1mint You are not following. They were granted a patent and in order to get a patent you have to prove your claim. If Xogen had not proved its claim they could not have gotten a patent and if they defrauded the patent office the patent would be revoked. They have found a way to drive parahydrogen and 02 out of water with less energy. Alberta Research Counsel also tested the Xogen device.
Tell us all how many kilowatts if required to split a liter of water.
@BiggerFatterBlog "in order to get a patent you have to prove your claim". That is not true. The patent office just processes paperwork. They *try* to filter out the obvious perpetual motion machines, and certain claims must be backed by working demonstrations, but by far most things that pass, are not tested and proven at all. It is very well known that many so called inventions can not work, yet they managed to get a patent on it.
@BiggerFatterBlog So, your attempts to assign validity because of a patent completely does NOT work AT ALL!
So, how come you don't know all this? It's very common knowledge! Did you hope that I didn't know and that somehow you'd get away with making a point like this? Or perhaps you're knowingly lying and are trying to bullshit your way through!
The more you keep going, the more we reveal Xogen's nonsense. Keep it coming, I like shooting down quacks. Fun, knowing I can't lose.
"Current best processes have an efficiency of 50% to 80%,[21][22][23] so that 1 kg of hydrogen (which has an energy density of 143 MJ/kg, about 40 kWh/kg) requires 50 to 79 kWh of electricity with traditional methods and could be brought to 85% efficiency with new proposed methods, although efficiencies in the order of 100% are theoretically possible."
@a1mint It can because according to them it is not standard electrolysis.
You are thinking in terms of the 2nd law. This is about breaking molecular bonds and xogen recieved a patent because the proved that they can break molecular bond with less energy than standard electrolysys.
@BiggerFatterBlog ... and perhaps they WILL be charges. After all, they are making false claims.
I've seen other claims they make as well. A furnace powered by their hydrogen. Plain old electric heaters would do at least as good. So all that investing in electrolyzers and converting a furnace is a complete and utter waste of money.
@a1mint hydrogen, or oxy-hydrogen can be manipulated to perform a lot of different type of useful work, get your head out of the books, sterile theoretical, conjectures, and get in to your work shop,, and start experimenting, you will discover many things, and get personal proof, of what truly is, and what is not.
@StreamingJaden Fact remains, it takes more energy to make hydrogen from water, than the amount of energy you get from burning that hydrogen. No amount of excuses, bullshit, pseudo scientific fantasy crap, claims, suggestions, is going to change that fact.
Respond to this video... hydrogen, or oxy-hydrogen can be manipulated to perform a lot of different type of useful work, get your head out of the books, sterile theoretical, conjectures, and get in to your work shop,, and start experimenting, you will discover many things, and get personal proof, of what truly is, and what is not.
The Electrical Power Can flow from Solar. Wind, MicroHydro, or many other creative, energy conversion technologies, OPEN YOUR LIMITED MIND TO THE POSSIBILITIES.
Their is far more things on the planet than what you learned in your little parish my fellow human.
Your argument about energy never being created or destroyed is short sited, Energy can be transformed, and you can use one type of energy to triger or control the flow of another; as in the A bomb, the transistor to amplify sound,
@StreamingJaden No, solar wind can not be harvested and converted to electricity. More pseudo scientific fantasy horseshit from you.
No amount of "mind opening" is going to change this.
Absolute hard fact that you can not escape: You can not create or destroy energy. You can only convert it. And every time you convert its form, a part of that is converted to heat which is usually lost.
No amount of distractions or distortions is going to change these facts.
@heartlessvietboy I also invite you to watch?v=eUB4j0n2UDU the Baloney Detection Kit video. Let's see if whatever pseudo scientific horse shit that's on your mind holds up.
A good number of them aren't facts. They are miscalculations and impartial. If you cannot create energy where did it come from? Have you seen something that was just there??
Free energy is finaly here!But the Establishment doesn't want ppl to know this,Find a motor that needs no fuel or input at LT-MAGNET-MOTORdotCOM ,Big change is comming soon!
in plumbing a "harmful" side effect of closing a tap called water-hammer will destroy the pipes if an air chamber is not installed to cusion the shock. however the same "harmful" effect is harnessed in impulse pumps to lift water higher than the source with just gravity as the input (no elec. pwr) in electronics overcharging a capacitor wlii cause it to blow up (bad) but in this use the dielectric H2o is broken down for a (good) /useful purpose. I really hope this tech spreads like a plague THX
( I figured out how the process is occuring by studying basic electronic circuits online (wikibooks) to find out the functions of the parts in relation to each other.--- an LC or RLC circuit. ) my math skills are limited dyslexic w/ #s but if i can dope out the process and understand it, so too others. the electrolyte style is toxic and not viable in the long term. there are no Phisics laws being broken here. an "unwanted/harmful" electric circuit is used to do valuable work
this IS the technology that will liberate the people of the world. But the battle with Big corporate infrastructure and Govt.dependance on oil taxation revenue will be fierce. It will require the re-structuring of society in many ways, which will be painful at first. But this technology exists today and is in the public domain..... continued..
I think you are doing a great job. Skeptics can move along and away. I run my current work shop "lights and AC on this concept. We should get together sometime and mix our ideas.
I have one on my car and now went from 17.5 miles per gl. 27 Miles per gl. there are places all orver the USA to buy one . Proof is in the puddin. If you dont try one and see for your self " your stupid" nay sayers,
My 15 year oul son and I bult one. WORKS JUST FINE. People who have a closed mind will work and die and not have much in life.
Galileo was once accused of heresy and put on trial for claiming the earth was round. He went against all established beliefs of the time that the earth was flat. Those who claim that this is just a scam should do a little research and see who started Xogen. I bet many will be surprise to find out that it's someone with VERY close FAMILY ties to Stan Meyer who moved to Canada after Stan's death and has kept a very low profile. Should you be surprised then that they are able to achieve this?
Instead of making a video, why don't they just take the device or technology to recognized labs and universities and have them verify that they work? Meyers died over 10 years ago yet they have still failed to do this, just as they did when Meyers was alive!
Stan Meyer did just that when he was alive. His water capacitor was evaluated by several scientists including the chief Physicist at the University of Dublin in Ireland. His water buggy was not tested not because he didn't want to but because he was under contract with the defense ministry which strictly prohibited him from doing so. Mr O'Neil from the University of Dublin wrote a great paper which was used by Jean Louis Naudin to successfully replicate Meyer's work.
electrolysis will never produce a viable energy source. Solar collection was perfected by nature and the excess energy was compressed and stored deep within the earth. We will inevitably squander these resources even while we destroy the infrastructure that generated them. This technology, even when using solar collection, will cause more harm than good. Forcibly removing hydrogen from water wastes energy, only a fraction of the energy used is stored in the gases generated. PHOTOSYNTHESIS FTW
OK but Tesla disagrees with you...but hell what did he know compared to you..besides Einstein should of known Newton couldnt have been wrong what was he thinking.. silly boy the law of physics is the law ...geez if only you could have straighten them out...thx for the info draeperin..I almost believed Tesla's conclusion of a alterable eletrostatic capacity of a conducting body was real..He must of use smoke and mirrors..out there in colorado..in 1901
it seems that you have not understand the process as a whole!!! The definition of the process in physics is called "CATASTROPHIC DIALECTRIC FAILURE". The electrolysis is a method of separating chemically bonded elements and compounds by passing an electric current through them. Dielecric failure:The failure of an element in a dielectric medium that exists when an insulating element becomes conducting.
"none of them have failed" this sentence fragment has no context and no reference and so makes no sense whatsoever. I am trying to understand what you are talking about but it is impossible when you cannot communicate your thoughts coherently.
aside from that, you replied to MY reply to frostbitewinterwind, as evidence i point out usage of text from that reply in your post.
This particular method isn't electrolysis, what this method is called is the high voltage disassociation of water. It produces HHO at a much higher rate than conventional electrolysis and the amperage is restricted in this process making it extremely efficient. You won't see it being uses because it threatens the current oil, coal, and nuclear based economy. Conventional electrolysis cannot purify water because it requires purified water an a electrolyte additive in order to work.
I don't think it is really any different (at least, fundamentally) from ordinary electrolysis. True, they have optimized it for tap water with a well designed circuit (it is true that a higher voltage is required for water of lower conductivity), but keep in mind that hydrogen as well as "HHO" is an infrastructure/ energy storage plan, and not "free energy", as so many hopefull people seem to think :).
I think it is but the company behind this video seems to be nothing more than a website so who knows? I do know Stanley Meyers brother was suppose to be involved with this company. Obviously since Xogen is doing nothing at this moment, there must not be investors willing to invest or the technology is being suppressed at the corporate level.
If the Xogen system is real (that we can create Hydrogen Gas spontaneously using only a little electricity) Hydrogen Gas can run much cheaper than expected. Sea Water is abundant. One drop of water can create a tremendous amount of Hydrogen. The cost should only run $1.25 per 500 psi.
It seems like you read a few physics books under the influence and the garbled remains of what you managed to take in is surfacing in your convoluted and ignorant posts. You don't have to know anything special to understand that this process is a waste of time, the more you change the substance which carries the energy you intend to use the more energy you will waste in conversion. there are specialized needs for pure, lightweight and high energy fuels, but, these fuels are costly and wasteful.
Yea, they're trying to make money off people. Welcome to America... You can do this "technology" in your kitchen. Even the "signal generator" can be made out of pieces of little kids toys. This isn't "free energy" because free energy doesn't exist. Perpetual motion is bullshit. People who believe that they discovered perpetual motion or free energy are just too stupid to realize their ideas are shit. Get a job, work, die. Thats what we the people do best.
there's this and the magnetic generator. If the two work, then that means that any person can power their own house. I can see why the energy companies, especially the oil companies, would be willing to go to any lengths to keep this under wraps. They are the ones trying to preserve the current status quo, and they will go to any lengths to do it. 37 billion dollars will go a long way in trying to keep this quiet. We as a people must stand up to them. They can't silence 365 million of us.
Brilliant marketing. Obviously a company with designs on becoming the Microsoft of HHO technology that others such as myself are developing independently and releasing free of charge into the public domain.
DO NOT BE SUCKERED INTO PAYING FOR THAT WHICH OUGHT TO BE FREE!
Lol why are all of you guys from the oil-lobbies in here so intimately involved with this? Maybe because it threatens the whole idea of burning fossil fuel? :) Guys, have you searched for HHO lately on YouTube? The evidence is overwhelming!!! Just think about Fusion which uses water as fuel source. You can´t deny it any longer.
The fact is this is so easy to do that trying to sell it using fancy words is stupid. It would be better to hook a soler cell directly to a heater then to waste the power splitting hydrogen and oxygen then burning it.
the patent was issued for water treatment so its it doesnt matter is this system has been out there before if they have come up with a new way to use it then they can get a patent. however a patent isnt really worth anything till it has been defended successfully and you can bet that the oil companies will challenge it till these guys are out of money if hey can. this will be very interesting.
It takes more energy to make the Hydrogen Oxygen gas than you get when you burn it. This is a huge waste of energy! It is more efeshent to use a electric heater then to sepreate the H2O and recombine it again.
i dont know if it aplys to water in some magical chemical formula but to be optimistic if you lite a sheet of paper spending on th size of course it can very possibly give you a lot more energy than what was put it so if there is a way it might be made by lighting it on fire so realy its spliting water thats the first question to ask cuz hydrogen is the fuel they are after kinda drifted off here sorry to sum up id likie to think that there is a way taking optmism from my paper example
Don't listen to people who say "can't." All they are saying is is that they don't know how, and you better believe they have never tried. Or they sell power. You can certainly create very inexpensive power. The Law of Conservation of Energy may be called a law but it is still just theory. Something is only impossible until someone does it. Xogen uses a low voltage current oscillated around 20 kHz depending on the electrode size. You'll need a frequency generator. Google Brown's Gas.
While it is true that it takes more energy in the form of electricity to produce hydrogen by *conventional* hydrolysis - this technology is based on Stan Meyers work, which is not *conventional* hydrolysis. I've read the patent, studied electronics and am on my way to building a unit this year.
actually this is quite revolutionary, well not this device exactly but this is just stan meyers invenetion changed around a bit. stan meyers original device was quite revolutionary, and its amazing how neglected it has been.
the advancement in technology is learning how to use the precise electromagnetic pulse to crack the water. its not some fancy new science. You can build a system like that at home. just find plans for the pulse box
If you listen to all their pitch, it is all fluff. There is no real breakthrough technology here. The applications this oxy-hydrogen gas can be used are all bogus and are either not practical or not economical.
This produces atomic hydrogen (HH) and oxygen (O). They have completely different properties form what you were taught in high school chemistry, and this is a significant technology. Look up Stan Meyer in Google Video for some very interesting conference footage where he explains this to scientists.
No, this is not new technology. It's been around for a decade and a half, and just now people are starting to de-sphincter their heads.
So basically its just hydrogen burning in pure oxygen thats produced by electrolysis.... not exactly revolutionary. Also isn't the whole point of using hydrogen for energy that you don't have the inefficiency of combu
This BiggerFatterBlog person needs to stop watching Fox Television, and start doing a little real personal research, on the sources of energy, the methods of energy conversion, and the truth of where we are now in 2011 going into 2012.
Leave your 50ties base science behind, and expand your mind into the present.
By the way, do you know that Google, and Virgin are planning a real trip to Mars, and yes they do not expect to find any little green men, or creatures from any black lagoon. Granpa!
jemsewell 2 months ago
Instead of cursing the darkness, why don't you light a candle, do your own research, join the revolution, bring your contributions to the table, why don't you!
As human beings, we are unlimited in what we can create, dead dinosaurs, are not the only source of fuel, wake up and live as a creator, instead of a dull slave. We are not like you, we create our own innovations, world, we are our own saviors, no religion, or government needed, LIVE WITH IT!
StreamingJaden 3 months ago in playlist xogen and hho
XOGEN Was a prototype presentation, a simple proof of concept created to invite others to participate in the process; before running off calling brilliant America inventors scam artist, why not do your own research, when did it became a crime to be creative, and entrepreneurial, Edison must be turning over in his grave, listening to the like of you.
jemsewell 3 months ago
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StreamingJaden 3 months ago
@StreamingJaden If this were to be true, you would not be on youtube trying to convince web surfers that it is true; you would be on CNN discussing how you came up with the idea, and how you felt about winning the Nobel prize.
ldanley72 3 months ago
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StreamingJaden 3 months ago
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StreamingJaden 3 months ago
”A candle loses nothing of its light when lighting another”
Kahlil Gibran, solar panels are everyday powering homes all over the world, including military bases in Nevada, Sodium Solar Thermal Units are powering homes in Texas, in Lancaster California KB Homes is building and selling houses with pre-installed Solar Panels in the shape of roof shingles, you really need to get out more my primitive friend.
StreamingJaden 3 months ago
The Electrical Power Can flow from Solar. Wind, MicroHydro, or many other creative, energy conversion technologies, OPEN YOUR LIMITED MIND TO THE POSSIBILITIES.
Their is far more things on the planet than what you learned in your little parish my fellow human. Your argument about energy never being created or destroyed is short sited, Energy can be transformed, and you can use one type of energy to triger or control the flow of another; as in the A bomb, the transistor to amplify sound.
StreamingJaden 3 months ago
@StreamingJaden No, solar wind can not be harvested and converted to electricity. More pseudo scientific fantasy horseshit from you.
No amount of "mind opening" is going to change this.
Absolute hard fact that you can not escape: You can not create or destroy energy. You can only convert it. And every time you convert its form, a part of that is converted to heat which is usually lost.
No amount of distractions or distortions is going to change these facts.
a1mint 3 months ago
Let's see how long a scammer can wiggle around the truth.
a1mint 7 months ago 2
@a1mint please define how it becomes a scam also this guy=stanley mayer brother the guy who made patents for a H20 car,which by the way in this corporatocracy system monetary base they took him out.Now don't take my word for it check out the media/information that proposed here thanks.
Katharsis540 6 months ago
@Katharsis540
1) Stan Meyer is a bold in your face scamming lying con artist.
2) Water is not a source of energy.
3) Patents mean nothing, because the patent office just processes papers without understanding what it is that's being "patented".
4) Stan Meyer counts on the fact that morons like you, are not aware of the laws of nature.
a1mint 6 months ago
@a1mint Stan Meyer dead due to the oil corporations wanting to keep this system going,silly really also he did patent the works for the rest of the world to look at so that might=a start to check out his information.Almost like not reading the authors book cause he/she did X meaning this in ad hominem way,the same thing have seen to Marko Rodin not even that almost the same thing happened to Nikola Tesla all cause of logical fallacies intentionally and not...Peace.nizkor o rg/features/fallacies/
Katharsis540 6 months ago
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@Katharsis540
1) Stan Meyer is a bold in your face scamming lying con artist.
2) Stan Meyer's only system is to fool ignorant under educated fools like you into believing he deserved money for his scam project.
3) Stan Meyer has not delivered one single beneficial technology what,so,ever.
4) Only fools stick up for him.
a1mint 6 months ago
Xogen is a scam.
a1mint 8 months ago 5
@a1mint proof?but not applying logical fallacy burden of proof,just back up the comment please.
Katharsis540 6 months ago
@Katharsis540
1) Conservation of energy, a law of nature. You can not create or destroy energy. Every bit of energy that a device outputs, has to be input.
a1mint 6 months ago
@a1mint they do mention the input a solar panel or battery,not sure if watched the whole thing plus can use that energy to go back into the battery for instances.so really self sustaining lol maybe hooking it up to a rodin coil even that gives 3 times as much here we go screw monetary artificial scracity.true can always use solar ie UK,but can use tidal,wind(jet stream or off shore or both),geothermal etc also no planned obsolescence and no more debt money with proper information peace.
Katharsis540 6 months ago
@Katharsis540 As long as the laws of nature, the conservation of energy in particular, is observed and understood, then anything is possible, within the confined of the quantity that the source of energy provides.
What is not possible is to produce hydrogen that provides more energy than the energy that is required to make that hydrogen. As long as we're all on board with that, we're good to discuss other things.
a1mint 6 months ago
@a1mint True that does make sense but where does it state that physics=written in stone?at the end of the day this might seem as anomaly or paradox cause we don't hold to much information on it,and going here by Plato Cave Allegory how bound to the cave only know the shadows one gets free sees a vista,birds etc...for the first time then comes back and gets killed either physically,emotionally ie logical fallacies or all of the above,indeed keep questioning things in a creative critical manner.
Katharsis540 6 months ago
@Katharsis540 Only scam artists and ignorant fools would suggest that the laws of nature aren't set, or somehow don't apply to whatever the hell it is that they're trying to sell. It's an attempt to remove a road block. An absolute pathetic attempt.
Fact is, that the if these laws of nature were incorrect, that just about anything we know about anything, would completely fall apart and everything would have to be re-learned. Possible or realistic? *NO* !
a1mint 6 months ago
@a1mint Has any input gone into looking into the patents at least?
Katharsis540 6 months ago
@Katharsis540 No patent is going to override or find an exception to any law of nature. You can not create or destroy energy, only convert it, period.
a1mint 6 months ago
@a1mint Well maybe wouldn't get surprised that we may have some logical fallacies here in these,on top funny thing scientist use logical fallacies ie appeal to authority or ad hominem.On top we dealing here with semantics now in the language of math and science ie electricity as an example,we can take the same schematics to japan india etc..and will build the same thing there exist no i think they meant this or that hence why saying look at the patent look at that language peace.
Katharsis540 5 months ago
@Katharsis540 Claiming there are logical fallacies in the laws of nature is a desperate attempt from the con-artist camp. Excuses excuses excuses, nothing but excuses. And nothing to show for. All their fantasy crap. Homeopathy, HHO, magnet motors, perpetual motion, overunity, the list goes on and on and on.
a1mint 5 months ago
@a1mint meant logical fallacies in human language like in this language this form of communication,saying that not really down with homeopathy that can agree on for an example.Still if we look in the patents that use the language of math,science,chemistry,physics etc...we can relate there better and no logical fallacies not interpretations,of course the human error element still exist ie if meant to exist written as amps and wrote volt or miscalculation in the numbers. watch?v=Zu-Hg6ntgqI
Katharsis540 5 months ago
@Katharsis540 Your communication shows some fallacies. It's hard to understand you.
The purpose of a patent is not to create a document showing just math, science, etc. The purpose of a patent is to convince / fool even, the government into them handing a government protected monopoly to the applicant. Patent have no credibility in the world of science at all.
As for your video, the source of energy there is electricity, not water. Water is not a source of energy.
a1mint 5 months ago
@a1mint Ok using another word cause of semantics how about the schematics?
Katharsis540 5 months ago
@Katharsis540 Again, you're not making any sense.
a1mint 5 months ago
@a1mint if patents not the right word to use let us look into the schematics again going more precise with another word to diminish semantics.
Katharsis540 5 months ago
@Katharsis540 I still can't decipher what point you're making.
a1mint 5 months ago
@a1mint Why not look into the schematics of how the machine works in order to have a better comprehension,the language of math and science ie:electrician=the same symbols used here recognized globally.Even here we can then look into the physics of electricity how it behaves etc...Overall people did think we couldn't send information wirelessly,that we need wires always to send an electrical signal to somewhere globally yes Tesla achieved this in the start of it he got ridiculed hard.
Katharsis540 5 months ago
@Katharsis540 those comparisons do not fly at all.
We know that the laws of nature are real and can not be broken or compromised.
You can not create or destroy energy, no matter what.
a1mint 5 months ago 2
@a1mint Ok still not a scam cause he does or the device does harness the energy,almost the same thing to say that wireless energy does travel on the air.Do wish could my hand on it to see it in action thou does solidify it more to use,and also helps to see how it made for future upgrades thus going as 5 year old where does energy come from in the start?
Katharsis540 5 months ago
@Katharsis540 What an utter bunch of total baloney crap garbage you just puked up. Good grief man!
You can not create or destroy energy. What the FUCK part of that do you not understand ? ? ?
a1mint 5 months ago
@a1mint Ok then where does it come from energy to start with(of course this=another topic now kinda side topic),like stated acting like 5 year old here to question where does it come from?how does it get "created"or"generated" etc...Applying here the 5 W's and 1 H,cause i don't know and coming here with Plato Allegory of the cave where expirencing something and would to share with others and work on it.From here didn't use ad hominem so no need to start with peace.
Katharsis540 5 months ago
@Katharsis540 E=MC2. It's just there. You can convert it, but you can not create or destroy it.
The rest of your message is just a bunch of gibberish, without any cohesion.
a1mint 5 months ago 2
@a1mint Heard of Marko Rodin or the Rodin Coil?Still feels that formula just half of it don't seem full who knows...suggest to look up Plato Caves Allegory also cause all did was apply critical thinking,nothing more nor did use any logical fallacies ie appeal to authority or fear or novelty or pity etc...peace.
Katharsis540 5 months ago
@Katharsis540 Bla bla bla. Fact remains, you can not create or destroy energy, only convert it.
Any claim that relies on breaking these laws, is a scam.
a1mint 5 months ago
@a1mint where does that claim come from on the video?Not using burden of proof fallacy here w w w*nizkor*org/features/fallacies/burden-of-proof * html
Katharsis540 5 months ago
@Katharsis540 Regardless, the fact remains, you can not create or destroy energy, only convert it.
a1mint 5 months ago
@Katharsis540 u are like a broken robot.. u only say "u can't create or distroy energy"... obsesive...
U can't create from nothing... but still.. If u spin a magnet in a midle of a few wires u get electric energy!, Is not that from nothing?
Here, in fact, is a extremly simple chimical reaction... just divide the h2o in Hidrogen and Oxigen .. what is so friking hard to understand that? As i know, oxigen and hidrogen are 2 inflammable gases... why that is not working for u?
hapke21 3 months ago
@hapke21 i miss the person .. for @a1mint is my comment .. not for @Katharsis540
anyway.. @a1mint u are a petrol broker? or what
Few hundred years ago Napoleon say: "We have alrady descovered all that can be descovered in the wapons industry" ... and they use arrows ....
hapke21 3 months ago
The Government, auto makers, and the oil companies have been in bed with each other for almost a hundred years. I played with this technology twenty years ago. The scientific literature clearly stated the energy loss is to great for their to be any positive energy through electrolysis. And thats where the dialogue ended. Please to any bright youthful minds out there. Don't let some over educated Institutionalized thinker tell you what's possible and what not possible. Your imagination
maryjane123rd 8 months ago
Because Oil Companies are making too much money right now by milking their time. Government makes a lot of money off taxing oil companies and to sign their own paychecks.
tnguyen318 10 months ago
If the Hydrogen system is real, how come we dont begin a Hydrogen infrastructure??
heartlessvietboy 10 months ago
@heartlessvietboy Storage is a problem. Also, hydrogen is not an energy source but just an energy carrier.
a1mint 8 months ago
What can Hydrogen be used for in Civilizations Today?
heartlessvietboy 8 months ago
@heartlessvietboy Hydrogen can be used as energy storage. You need an energy source to make hydrogen. New upcoming fuel cells, and I'm talking actual fuel cells, not the HHO peddler electrolyzer kind which isn't a fuel cell at all (they abuse and misuse the term), convert hydrogen into electricity which can then drive an electric motor that moves cars and trucks.
Xogen is just doing ordinary electrolyzing water to make hydrogen (+oxygen) from water. Electrolyzers are a dime a dozen.
a1mint 8 months ago
What is energy storage? Using electricity (electrons) to heat the water vapor (air) to get it to drop (fall) is a dime a dozen.
heartlessvietboy 8 months ago
@heartlessvietboy What do you mean by "get it to drop"? What is the point you are trying to make?
a1mint 8 months ago
To get it to rain. Fill a room with water vapor. Then get a lightning rod and fire it. See if it will "rain in the room".
heartlessvietboy 8 months ago
@heartlessvietboy Are you drunk or something?
a1mint 8 months ago
75% of past human knowledge has at least some form of error. Use examination.
heartlessvietboy 8 months ago
@heartlessvietboy People used to think flight was impossible. People used to think the earth was flat. All very stupid comparisons. All those things didn't involve science whatsoever. Science has revealed the laws of nature. There are countless of theories, tested, verified, supporting and relying on all the laws of nature.
Those things aren't opinions, those things are facts.
You can not create or destroy energy for instance. The essence of everything depends on that.
a1mint 8 months ago
A good number of them aren't facts. They are impartial. If you cannot create energy where did it come from? Have you ever seen something that was just there??
heartlessvietboy 8 months ago
@heartlessvietboy Under the current conditions of the universe, and especially on earth, you can not create or destroy energy. That's just a fact. If that weren't the case, you could be creating perpetual motion devices.
a1mint 8 months ago
@a1mint this is not perpetual motion or over unity. They are saying that the have a way of pulsing the current in a way that break the covalent bonds with less energy than standard electrolysis. Theoretically it is possible and they did prove it to a patent inspector.
All matter has a harmonic vibration and maybe this Xogen thing can uses simple harmonic motion to break the water by hitting it resonating frequency like a singer can break a glass.
BiggerFatterBlog 7 months ago
@BiggerFatterBlog That is not possible ! Here's why: you can not create or destroy energy.
The amount of energy that becomes available in the produced hydrogen, is EXACTLY the same as the electric energy input, minus heat loss.
You can pulse, use AC, concoct any mechanism you wish, but it is *NOT* going make ONE AYOTA difference.
This is an ABSOLUTE IN YOUR FACE LIE !
The patent office just processes paperwork, they don't verify anything, and they're a disgrace.
Patents mean NOTHING !
a1mint 7 months ago 6
@a1mint They are not claiming they are creating energy out of nothing. They are claiming that they have a way to crack the bonds that hold water together.
When it comes to getting a patent it requires the applicant to prove their claims before a patent is granted. You can't get a patent on a perpetual motion machine.
You may want to read about the patent process.
I don't know if pulses can break the water bond but Exogen is claiming it does and they have proven it to a patent engineer
BiggerFatterBlog 7 months ago
@BiggerFatterBlog You are WRONG! Any claim that you can "crack" the bonds holding oxygen and hydrogen together will less energy than what the energy that becomes available in the generated hydrogen plus heat, is a claim of creating energy.
Energy in = quantity of water molecules split + heat
It's THAT simple. NOTHING can break that rule.
The *ONLY* thing that can be done to improve it is by reducing the heat loss, which might not even be possible.
a1mint 7 months ago 2
@a1mint I am not wrong. I am saying that exogen is claiming they have a way to break the bond between the electrons that comprise water. This in not a thermodynamic process they are using so you are barking up the wrong tree.
Nothing can break that rule? It was guys like you who said the sound barrier was impossible to break even though bullets were traveling at the speed of sound.
All matter has a resonating frequency. Exogen may have found a way to knock the electrons out of their shells.
BiggerFatterBlog 7 months ago
@BiggerFatterBlog Electrolyzers have been invented long before Xogen. Xogen just has another electrolyzer. Xogen can not patent simply electrolyzer. Prior art, long long time ago.
If they claim that they have a better electrolyzer that can split water with less energy then they are lying.
The laws of nature you or Xogen, are NOT going to break. People once thinking that you couldn't break the sound barrier, flat earth, and impossible flight, those assumptions were completely unscientific.
a1mint 7 months ago
@BiggerFatterBlog
Fundamentally:
Energy in = quantity of water molecules split + heat
What part of that do you not understand?
a1mint 7 months ago
@BiggerFatterBlog ...
The patent process is BULLSHIT, everyone knows that. It does NOT validate anything.
Xogen is making FALSE claims. Apparently they suckered government funding for themselves, and THAT must be put to a stop. This is pure and utter FRAUD FRAUD FRAUD.
a1mint 7 months ago
@a1mint I read xogen's patent. They ran a motor on the gas their device produced. You have to prove your claim to get a patent. Xogen did not claim to have violated the laws of physics. They have been operating since 2004.
Xogen is legit and they are selling products and services to industries. They didn't scam anyone especially not the many scientists and engineers who evaluated their products who are a fucking lot smarter than you.
BiggerFatterBlog 7 months ago
@BiggerFatterBlog Xogen pretends that water is a source of energy. They claim they can clean up city sewage through electrolysis. They claim that they can heat a house more efficiently by using electric energy to generate hydrogen and then burn that hydrogen in a furnace. A $20 electric space heater is 100% efficient. Xogen's system can NOT be more than 100% efficient. Xogen is most MOST definitely NOT legit.
I run circles around both you and the quacks at Xogen, you MORON !
a1mint 7 months ago
@a1mint They are not making that claim you fucking retard. You also don't know the difference between efficiency and COP. A heat pump for example has a COP or 5 to 1.
Now go take your pea brain and fuck yourself douche bad.
BiggerFatterBlog 7 months ago
@BiggerFatterBlog Here you go, you LOSER! watch?v=fc4E2cvkTjg
Electrolysis to clean sewage water using electricity. That would have to be a very high amount of electricity, and where does that come from. Not so green after all!
"The province of Ontario has been very helpful to us". Yes, by scamming tax dollars. And more scamming ahead. Perhaps we can stop this nonsense.
"Water is the new oil". Another false claim. Water is NOT a source of energy.
Carbon credits trading... ahum..electric power?
a1mint 7 months ago
@BiggerFatterBlog ... "great time to be in the water business". Through producing water by burning hydrogen produced through electrolysis. Anyone can do that. No need for Xogen for that.
"low cost solution".... ahum... electric power requirements? Oops?
How many kWh is required to break the bonds of 1 liter of water?
I haven't completely calculated it yet, but 1 kWh is 3.6 MJ. Liquid hydrogen has 10.1 MJ per liter. But there is oxygen taking up space.
Do you wish to continue?
a1mint 7 months ago
@BiggerFatterBlog ... and *ANY* A C T U A L scientist that evaluates Xogen C R A P would conclude that it's a complete utter F R A U D . In your face bold bona fide carved in stone indisputable LIE after LIE after LIE and then some.
There is no way in HEHELL you can win this find, SUCKER !
a1mint 7 months ago
@a1mint Xogen did receive a patent and they are operating in Canada. The received a US patent. Companies are buying their products. Obviously their products work as claimed. If their products did not work successful companies would not be buying them.
If this company were committing fraud they would be out of business and it principles would be in jail.
BiggerFatterBlog 7 months ago
@BiggerFatterBlog Name some of Xogen's clients. Xogen's video talks about future clients, not existing clients.
The existing client is the city of Orangeville, in Ontario, Canada.
And uhhh, do you know how many kWh is needed to split 1 liter of water into hydrogen and oxygen?
And doing that with a constant flow of sewage water?
1 toilet flush would cost... more than it costs to fill your gas tank.
a1mint 7 months ago 2
@a1mint You are not following. They were granted a patent and in order to get a patent you have to prove your claim. If Xogen had not proved its claim they could not have gotten a patent and if they defrauded the patent office the patent would be revoked. They have found a way to drive parahydrogen and 02 out of water with less energy. Alberta Research Counsel also tested the Xogen device.
Tell us all how many kilowatts if required to split a liter of water.
BiggerFatterBlog 7 months ago
@BiggerFatterBlog "in order to get a patent you have to prove your claim". That is not true. The patent office just processes paperwork. They *try* to filter out the obvious perpetual motion machines, and certain claims must be backed by working demonstrations, but by far most things that pass, are not tested and proven at all. It is very well known that many so called inventions can not work, yet they managed to get a patent on it.
It's very very common.
a1mint 7 months ago
@BiggerFatterBlog So, your attempts to assign validity because of a patent completely does NOT work AT ALL!
So, how come you don't know all this? It's very common knowledge! Did you hope that I didn't know and that somehow you'd get away with making a point like this? Or perhaps you're knowingly lying and are trying to bullshit your way through!
The more you keep going, the more we reveal Xogen's nonsense. Keep it coming, I like shooting down quacks. Fun, knowing I can't lose.
a1mint 7 months ago
@BiggerFatterBlog
It is *NOT* possible to split water with less energy than:
energy in = number of water molecules split + heat
The laws of nature, the conservation of energy, backs this claim.
The energy that becomes available in the generated hydrogen is ALWAYS less than the amount of energy that goes into the splitting of water.
EVERY actual scientists 100% agrees with me on this.
a1mint 7 months ago
@BiggerFatterBlog Wikipedia: Hydrogen_economy
"Current best processes have an efficiency of 50% to 80%,[21][22][23] so that 1 kg of hydrogen (which has an energy density of 143 MJ/kg, about 40 kWh/kg) requires 50 to 79 kWh of electricity with traditional methods and could be brought to 85% efficiency with new proposed methods, although efficiencies in the order of 100% are theoretically possible."
Xogen or you can not possibly improve on that.
a1mint 7 months ago
@a1mint It can because according to them it is not standard electrolysis.
You are thinking in terms of the 2nd law. This is about breaking molecular bonds and xogen recieved a patent because the proved that they can break molecular bond with less energy than standard electrolysys.
BiggerFatterBlog 7 months ago
@BiggerFatterBlog I think it *IS* electrolysis, disguised under a different name. But even if it was something else.
The rules remain, that you can NOT create more energy available in hydrogen than the energy required to make hydrogen from water.
That means any claims that suggests that they made it easier to break the bonds of water, is fundamentally BULLSHIT !
a1mint 7 months ago
@BiggerFatterBlog ... and perhaps they WILL be charges. After all, they are making false claims.
I've seen other claims they make as well. A furnace powered by their hydrogen. Plain old electric heaters would do at least as good. So all that investing in electrolyzers and converting a furnace is a complete and utter waste of money.
a1mint 7 months ago
@BiggerFatterBlog Also, look at the crap that "Xogen" claims: watch?v=fc4E2cvkTjg
It's absolutely STUNNING to think that they ACTUALLY think they get away with this.
Un-FREAKING believable !
a1mint 7 months ago
@a1mint hydrogen, or oxy-hydrogen can be manipulated to perform a lot of different type of useful work, get your head out of the books, sterile theoretical, conjectures, and get in to your work shop,, and start experimenting, you will discover many things, and get personal proof, of what truly is, and what is not.
StreamingJaden 3 months ago
@StreamingJaden Fact remains, it takes more energy to make hydrogen from water, than the amount of energy you get from burning that hydrogen. No amount of excuses, bullshit, pseudo scientific fantasy crap, claims, suggestions, is going to change that fact.
a1mint 3 months ago
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Respond to this video... hydrogen, or oxy-hydrogen can be manipulated to perform a lot of different type of useful work, get your head out of the books, sterile theoretical, conjectures, and get in to your work shop,, and start experimenting, you will discover many things, and get personal proof, of what truly is, and what is not.
StreamingJaden 3 months ago
The Electrical Power Can flow from Solar. Wind, MicroHydro, or many other creative, energy conversion technologies, OPEN YOUR LIMITED MIND TO THE POSSIBILITIES.
Their is far more things on the planet than what you learned in your little parish my fellow human.
Your argument about energy never being created or destroyed is short sited, Energy can be transformed, and you can use one type of energy to triger or control the flow of another; as in the A bomb, the transistor to amplify sound,
StreamingJaden 3 months ago
@StreamingJaden No, solar wind can not be harvested and converted to electricity. More pseudo scientific fantasy horseshit from you.
No amount of "mind opening" is going to change this.
Absolute hard fact that you can not escape: You can not create or destroy energy. You can only convert it. And every time you convert its form, a part of that is converted to heat which is usually lost.
No amount of distractions or distortions is going to change these facts.
a1mint 3 months ago
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intro79 1 month ago
@a1mint old-fashioned thinking
intro79 1 month ago
@intro79 The laws of nature are not "old fashioned". They're pure rules.
a1mint 1 month ago
@heartlessvietboy I also invite you to watch?v=eUB4j0n2UDU the Baloney Detection Kit video. Let's see if whatever pseudo scientific horse shit that's on your mind holds up.
a1mint 8 months ago
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A good number of them aren't facts. They are miscalculations and impartial. If you cannot create energy where did it come from? Have you seen something that was just there??
heartlessvietboy 8 months ago
Xogen is a company established by Stan Meyer's brother in Canada.
instantproducts 11 months ago
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glennjgd 1 year ago
Believe it is similar than believe in god. FAITH
salamandreta 1 year ago
The Oil companies are trying their best to stop free energy ideas from spreading to common people.
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despinapjr 1 year ago
in plumbing a "harmful" side effect of closing a tap called water-hammer will destroy the pipes if an air chamber is not installed to cusion the shock. however the same "harmful" effect is harnessed in impulse pumps to lift water higher than the source with just gravity as the input (no elec. pwr) in electronics overcharging a capacitor wlii cause it to blow up (bad) but in this use the dielectric H2o is broken down for a (good) /useful purpose. I really hope this tech spreads like a plague THX
AircondGypsy 2 years ago
( I figured out how the process is occuring by studying basic electronic circuits online (wikibooks) to find out the functions of the parts in relation to each other.--- an LC or RLC circuit. ) my math skills are limited dyslexic w/ #s but if i can dope out the process and understand it, so too others. the electrolyte style is toxic and not viable in the long term. there are no Phisics laws being broken here. an "unwanted/harmful" electric circuit is used to do valuable work
AircondGypsy 2 years ago
this IS the technology that will liberate the people of the world. But the battle with Big corporate infrastructure and Govt.dependance on oil taxation revenue will be fierce. It will require the re-structuring of society in many ways, which will be painful at first. But this technology exists today and is in the public domain..... continued..
AircondGypsy 2 years ago
I think you are doing a great job. Skeptics can move along and away. I run my current work shop "lights and AC on this concept. We should get together sometime and mix our ideas.
itissoeas 3 years ago 3
how can one buy a XOGEN sistem for A 4-5L car angin with ALL the instractions how to conect , tune it & run it exclusivly on water.
vshart 3 years ago
I have one on my car and now went from 17.5 miles per gl. 27 Miles per gl. there are places all orver the USA to buy one . Proof is in the puddin. If you dont try one and see for your self " your stupid" nay sayers,
My 15 year oul son and I bult one. WORKS JUST FINE. People who have a closed mind will work and die and not have much in life.
wolkenw55 3 years ago 7
@wolkenw55 where did you buy from or build it,willing to spread this uk london here peace.
Katharsis540 8 months ago
Galileo was once accused of heresy and put on trial for claiming the earth was round. He went against all established beliefs of the time that the earth was flat. Those who claim that this is just a scam should do a little research and see who started Xogen. I bet many will be surprise to find out that it's someone with VERY close FAMILY ties to Stan Meyer who moved to Canada after Stan's death and has kept a very low profile. Should you be surprised then that they are able to achieve this?
hardrider30 3 years ago
Stan Meyers brother..big deal!
Instead of making a video, why don't they just take the device or technology to recognized labs and universities and have them verify that they work? Meyers died over 10 years ago yet they have still failed to do this, just as they did when Meyers was alive!
quaheedus 3 years ago
Stan Meyer did just that when he was alive. His water capacitor was evaluated by several scientists including the chief Physicist at the University of Dublin in Ireland. His water buggy was not tested not because he didn't want to but because he was under contract with the defense ministry which strictly prohibited him from doing so. Mr O'Neil from the University of Dublin wrote a great paper which was used by Jean Louis Naudin to successfully replicate Meyer's work.
hardrider30 3 years ago
who is saying they failed????
jr9098 3 years ago
it is sad when you see people, that write against this technology without having a clue of what this is about!!
inform yourself before offering any hints of your inteligency...
jr9098 3 years ago
It sad when the people who claim to be able to do this have failed to prove so to the scientific community in almost 15 years!
quaheedus 3 years ago
i can see your inteligency splattered all over that post
draeperin 3 years ago
explain???
jr9098 3 years ago
electrolysis will never produce a viable energy source. Solar collection was perfected by nature and the excess energy was compressed and stored deep within the earth. We will inevitably squander these resources even while we destroy the infrastructure that generated them. This technology, even when using solar collection, will cause more harm than good. Forcibly removing hydrogen from water wastes energy, only a fraction of the energy used is stored in the gases generated. PHOTOSYNTHESIS FTW
draeperin 3 years ago
OK but Tesla disagrees with you...but hell what did he know compared to you..besides Einstein should of known Newton couldnt have been wrong what was he thinking.. silly boy the law of physics is the law ...geez if only you could have straighten them out...thx for the info draeperin..I almost believed Tesla's conclusion of a alterable eletrostatic capacity of a conducting body was real..He must of use smoke and mirrors..out there in colorado..in 1901
frostbitewinterwind 3 years ago
you can certainly throw names around, but when it comes to producing a sound argument you seem to be lacking something... ahh yes! THE ARGUMENT
draeperin 3 years ago
it seems that you have not understand the process as a whole!!! The definition of the process in physics is called "CATASTROPHIC DIALECTRIC FAILURE". The electrolysis is a method of separating chemically bonded elements and compounds by passing an electric current through them. Dielecric failure:The failure of an element in a dielectric medium that exists when an insulating element becomes conducting.
jr9098 3 years ago
what is your point
draeperin 3 years ago
The argument??? you are the one bringing photosynthesis???
none of them have failed!!!<-------argument
jr9098 3 years ago
Please explain "bringing photosynthesis".
"none of them have failed" this sentence fragment has no context and no reference and so makes no sense whatsoever. I am trying to understand what you are talking about but it is impossible when you cannot communicate your thoughts coherently.
aside from that, you replied to MY reply to frostbitewinterwind, as evidence i point out usage of text from that reply in your post.
draeperin 3 years ago
have a nice day!!!
jr9098 3 years ago
it's good that you know when to quit.
draeperin 3 years ago
yes, i quit!!
jr9098 3 years ago
This particular method isn't electrolysis, what this method is called is the high voltage disassociation of water. It produces HHO at a much higher rate than conventional electrolysis and the amperage is restricted in this process making it extremely efficient. You won't see it being uses because it threatens the current oil, coal, and nuclear based economy. Conventional electrolysis cannot purify water because it requires purified water an a electrolyte additive in order to work.
fywacia 3 years ago
That process sounds correct, but still hasn't been replicated.
Or do you know of one?
crippled82 3 years ago
there is a pilot project as we speak!!
they diverted a sewage main to the site and testing is being done since last september.
jr9098 1 year ago
I don't think it is really any different (at least, fundamentally) from ordinary electrolysis. True, they have optimized it for tap water with a well designed circuit (it is true that a higher voltage is required for water of lower conductivity), but keep in mind that hydrogen as well as "HHO" is an infrastructure/ energy storage plan, and not "free energy", as so many hopefull people seem to think :).
flyingfish555 2 years ago
Isn't this the "Stanley Meyers" method using what he called "water fracturization"???.
myleftnutts 2 years ago
I think it is but the company behind this video seems to be nothing more than a website so who knows? I do know Stanley Meyers brother was suppose to be involved with this company. Obviously since Xogen is doing nothing at this moment, there must not be investors willing to invest or the technology is being suppressed at the corporate level.
fywacia 2 years ago
If the Xogen system is real (that we can create Hydrogen Gas spontaneously using only a little electricity) Hydrogen Gas can run much cheaper than expected. Sea Water is abundant. One drop of water can create a tremendous amount of Hydrogen. The cost should only run $1.25 per 500 psi.
tnguyen318 10 months ago
It seems like you read a few physics books under the influence and the garbled remains of what you managed to take in is surfacing in your convoluted and ignorant posts. You don't have to know anything special to understand that this process is a waste of time, the more you change the substance which carries the energy you intend to use the more energy you will waste in conversion. there are specialized needs for pure, lightweight and high energy fuels, but, these fuels are costly and wasteful.
draeperin 3 years ago
Yea, they're trying to make money off people. Welcome to America... You can do this "technology" in your kitchen. Even the "signal generator" can be made out of pieces of little kids toys. This isn't "free energy" because free energy doesn't exist. Perpetual motion is bullshit. People who believe that they discovered perpetual motion or free energy are just too stupid to realize their ideas are shit. Get a job, work, die. Thats what we the people do best.
wallbangicus 3 years ago 2
so why are you wasting your time here
lamont22222 3 years ago
passing time till I die :P thats what were all doing...
wallbangicus 3 years ago
there site is down and they only specialize in water treatment crap
theoneagain 3 years ago
there's this and the magnetic generator. If the two work, then that means that any person can power their own house. I can see why the energy companies, especially the oil companies, would be willing to go to any lengths to keep this under wraps. They are the ones trying to preserve the current status quo, and they will go to any lengths to do it. 37 billion dollars will go a long way in trying to keep this quiet. We as a people must stand up to them. They can't silence 365 million of us.
25depleteduranium 3 years ago
365 million? what countries do you live in?
quaheedus 3 years ago
ok thats why i should of answer after i watched it lol
hourglasstint 3 years ago
Statistics on how much OxyHy is produced from how much electricity? How efficient do they say their process is?
I wonder if this group is still around-- their web site has little information, no much signs of activity the last couple of years.
epowerfan 3 years ago
Sweet! I like when people get thinking
nightimer5 3 years ago 2
Brilliant marketing. Obviously a company with designs on becoming the Microsoft of HHO technology that others such as myself are developing independently and releasing free of charge into the public domain.
DO NOT BE SUCKERED INTO PAYING FOR THAT WHICH OUGHT TO BE FREE!
ZeroFossilFuel 3 years ago
Lol why are all of you guys from the oil-lobbies in here so intimately involved with this? Maybe because it threatens the whole idea of burning fossil fuel? :) Guys, have you searched for HHO lately on YouTube? The evidence is overwhelming!!! Just think about Fusion which uses water as fuel source. You can´t deny it any longer.
Nichen 4 years ago
The fact is this is so easy to do that trying to sell it using fancy words is stupid. It would be better to hook a soler cell directly to a heater then to waste the power splitting hydrogen and oxygen then burning it.
Ham549 3 years ago 2
the patent was issued for water treatment so its it doesnt matter is this system has been out there before if they have come up with a new way to use it then they can get a patent. however a patent isnt really worth anything till it has been defended successfully and you can bet that the oil companies will challenge it till these guys are out of money if hey can. this will be very interesting.
volksgardencom 4 years ago
THIS IS BULL AND A SCAM!
It takes more energy to make the Hydrogen Oxygen gas than you get when you burn it. This is a huge waste of energy! It is more efeshent to use a electric heater then to sepreate the H2O and recombine it again.
Ham549 4 years ago
If you can't even spell "efficient" correctly, I highly doubt you have any business commenting on the validity of this topic.
themann0307 4 years ago 6
Just because I suck at spelling dosen't make what I stated any less of a fact.
Ham549 4 years ago
You need to remember that this isn't just about creating energy, it's also about creating clean, drinkable water.
rocktheflow 4 years ago
Yes and this can all be done without wasteing money on this scam. If you want to know how I will tell you for free.
Ham549 4 years ago
go ahead :)
rocktheflow 4 years ago
I want to know how. And using this process is there any way to get more energy out then i put in?
josh6132003 3 years ago
No you can't get more energy then you put in.
Ham549 3 years ago
Speak for yourself.
davidchenard 3 years ago
i dont know if it aplys to water in some magical chemical formula but to be optimistic if you lite a sheet of paper spending on th size of course it can very possibly give you a lot more energy than what was put it so if there is a way it might be made by lighting it on fire so realy its spliting water thats the first question to ask cuz hydrogen is the fuel they are after kinda drifted off here sorry to sum up id likie to think that there is a way taking optmism from my paper example
hourglasstint 3 years ago
Don't listen to people who say "can't." All they are saying is is that they don't know how, and you better believe they have never tried. Or they sell power. You can certainly create very inexpensive power. The Law of Conservation of Energy may be called a law but it is still just theory. Something is only impossible until someone does it. Xogen uses a low voltage current oscillated around 20 kHz depending on the electrode size. You'll need a frequency generator. Google Brown's Gas.
davidchenard 3 years ago
Let's see some of your proof of just how inefficient the process is.
rynlnk 4 years ago
While it is true that it takes more energy in the form of electricity to produce hydrogen by *conventional* hydrolysis - this technology is based on Stan Meyers work, which is not *conventional* hydrolysis. I've read the patent, studied electronics and am on my way to building a unit this year.
Strav777 4 years ago 4
correction - electrolysis
Strav777 4 years ago
It IS Yull Brown: Brown's Gas US Patent 4014777
pentax1812 4 years ago
actually this is quite revolutionary, well not this device exactly but this is just stan meyers invenetion changed around a bit. stan meyers original device was quite revolutionary, and its amazing how neglected it has been.
ultimategoobah 4 years ago 2
Great video !
Please come to:
overunity dot com/index.php/board,8.0.html
to discuss all overunity hydrogen on demand applications.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
overunitydotcom 4 years ago
What is the unique electrical signal?
robertastrauss 4 years ago
It is B.S. to sound fancey just any plane DC current will do the job.
Ham549 4 years ago
the advancement in technology is learning how to use the precise electromagnetic pulse to crack the water. its not some fancy new science. You can build a system like that at home. just find plans for the pulse box
vovera 4 years ago 3
Stan Meyer owns this
msdnvp 4 years ago
If you listen to all their pitch, it is all fluff. There is no real breakthrough technology here. The applications this oxy-hydrogen gas can be used are all bogus and are either not practical or not economical.
seshkanuri 4 years ago
the fact that you2 entity's aer debateting seam to me that you are an oreaborallies
heliraptorcbm 4 years ago
This produces atomic hydrogen (HH) and oxygen (O). They have completely different properties form what you were taught in high school chemistry, and this is a significant technology. Look up Stan Meyer in Google Video for some very interesting conference footage where he explains this to scientists.
No, this is not new technology. It's been around for a decade and a half, and just now people are starting to de-sphincter their heads.
RamDragon32 4 years ago
I cant find their website anymore., wasn´t it vvv,xogen,com ???
fladfisken 4 years ago
ww w,xogentechnologies,com
srawofni 4 years ago
i like this actor,he played a good part in a movie i seen
blazerblast 4 years ago
So basically its just hydrogen burning in pure oxygen thats produced by electrolysis.... not exactly revolutionary. Also isn't the whole point of using hydrogen for energy that you don't have the inefficiency of combu