To all you make comments here, he talk about the truth , now you have to decide and find more info on your own, remember you can't hide from all merciful, God watch you at all time, fear God and everything else will fear you, love God and everything else will love you, bag the Almighty to guide you to truth.
"And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many." Matthew 24:4-5
@Infame16 That's a great point! And what is his name? It's Jesus! Therefore, anyone coming in his name, the name 'Jesus', claiming to be the Christ, is a deceiver. By this verse we know that the return of Christ will come in a 'new name'. That new name is all over the Bible: the glory of the Father, Baha'u'llah.
Are you a Baha'i in good standing? Is this message approved by the institutions of the Faith? Do believe in the covenant? Do you follow the guidance from the Universal House of Justice on Mount Carmel?
Baha'u'llah did not meet the timeline or the extensive criteria for the Paraclete that Jesus was talking about in the passages when he mentions the prince.
the bible says that there is only one mediator between God and man...and and names the man JESUS CHRIST!!!
the bible also says that its not enough to just believe in Jesus...but you must FOLLOW HIM....AND OBEY HIM.....the bible says that even SATAN BELIEVES IN JESUS....BUT HE'S NOT GOING TO HEAVEN!!!......THE BIBLE SAYS THAT BELIEVING WITHOUT FOLLOWING HIM IS WORTHLESS!!!!....THOUGHT YOU MIGHT WANT TO STUDY IT OUT A LITTLE MORE
In the Aramaic translation by Aramaic scholar George Lamsa it says
From the Aramaic
"Hereafter I will not talk much with you; for the Prince of this world comes; and yet he has nothing against me." John 14:30
Baha'u'llah was not the Prince of this world/cosmos because he did not meet the timeline or the criteria for the paraclete. When Jesus is talking about the Prince of the world he also talking about the paraclete.
I recommend that you read the Aramaic bible. When Jesus is talking about the paraclete he also says:
"The prince of this world is coming. He has no hold over me but the world must learn that I love the Father and that I do exactly what my father has commanded me". John 14:30
Exactly an "exclusive system..." not an inclusive one.
Yes. feel free speak so we know you by your words.
And open you eyes to society instead of hanging on to a false claim to power. Your claims come from greed and selfishness. You want the power and control, even though you know that belongs to god alone.
I know that I am powerless, and poor. And this battle isn't in my heart. And pray that one day it wont be in yours.
I have posted a video response. Did you had a look at it? I am behind the video camara. We are worshiping Jesus in our own lengauge. But as you can hear, Jesus name is mentioned and you can clearly hear it "JESUS" and see how the Holy Spirit moves among us. You cannot see the Holy Spirit, but see the sisters and brothers being touch by the Holy Spirit. We are worshiping the Lord in Spirit and in Truth
You are so full of shit and intractably deceived that only a miracle could turn your thinking around. Jesus said that in that day many would come saying "he is here. or there", and to believe it not. The angels also said to the witnesses of Christs ressurection to not mourn, for christ would return in the same way you've seen him go up. So when Baha u llah comes to earth in the clouds, let me know. "even the elect might be deceived", and you definitely are.
The clouds are the misconceptions which veil your eyes from the light; the false doctrines of the paid clergy which block your sight.
Baha'u'llah fulfills prophecy, just as Jesus Christ does.
The Bible says that Jesus went into "heaven", not the sky. Jesus explains in John 3:13 KJV that he was in heaven while on earth, showing that according to Jesus, heaven is not a physical place, but a spiritual state.
This guy do not speak for us Bahai's. He is representing bahai's under provision and the real bahai's do not acknowledge his grand son to be the head of the faith. We have the universal house of justice as the head of the faith. Read more about it. These guy's are called bahai's under provision. Not the actual Bahai's.
You must be talking about the fallible UHJ that the Hands of the Cause established in 1963 after by-passing essential steps outlined by Shoghi Effendi's EXPLICIT instructions like first creating a Baha'i World Court? You mean that UHJ? You follow that fallible headless body? Even though they abdicated the Guardianship which Shoghi EXPLICITLY stated that w/out it "the Faith would be permanently mutilated"? Why would anyone who's thinking clearly following those covenant breakers?
Hi, at 3:10 when you talk about Satan having power over the ecumenical churches, isn't it a bit too early in both the gospel account and history of the church to be saying that the use of this Greek word implies that Satan already has power over something which has not yet been established let alone had time to split into denominations?
Also, isn't the significant point that Jesus spurned Satan's offer?
I agree the Council of Nicea wasn't necessarily altogether helpful.
Thank you for your excellent question. At the time Jesus was alive, the oikoumene (ecumenical world) consisted of Rome and those territories paying tribute (tithes) to Rome. The line of Satan is the line of succession in the Babylonian religion, of which the Caesar's were Pontifex Maximus, the spiritual head. This position was passed to the Popes with Pope Damasus. So in reality, the Babylonian trinitarian religion controlled by Satan grew to envelope the Christian world, the oikoumene
But I feel that in the context it is used here, the word would be referring to this earlier oikoumene of Rome etc, because the Christian world didn't exist yet.
Just because we use the same word for a different set of territories later on, we can't presume that the writer anticipated this. We have to interpret the passage according to what was known at the time. I'm not saying Satan is not in charge of the church by the way, I have no idea if he is or not.
If we are in acceptance that Jesus had this vision & experience on the mountain, & if we agree that the text is scripture, there should be no problem in at the very least theorizing that this vision might also be prophetic, as in 2 Cor. 4 we read that Satan is the "god of this age [aeon]", the aeon being clarified in other passages to be the time period until the return of Christ. The satanic power controls that time period through the oikoumene. That time period is now done.
For my concept, Lucifer is not refered to satan. As Jesus said, from the beginning satan was a lair, so from the beginning he could not be a angel of perfection like Lucifer was. I think Lucifer has more to do with Adam, Adam was made perfect. Studie this part little bit more and pray for more revalations. Blessed be the name of Jesus Christ the son of God
you're talking about folklore associated with "satan", all of which you're co-mingling with what the bible says, and what you "think". we're basing the stated beliefs in this video on what the bible actually says on the matter; it gets convoluted if you start mixing and matching from various sources.
Isaiah tells us that Lucifer was the 1st king of Babylon, which was Nimrod. It says that Lucifer "fell from heaven". Separately, we have Jesus who explains that he saw "Satan as lightning fall from heaven". It is from these 2 sources that the parallel is drawn, showing that Jesus understood Lucifer to be synonymous with Satan.
Jesus did not explian no where that he saw Satan as a lightning fall from heaven. And Jesus never understood Lucifer to be synonymous with Satan. Watch your words concerning Jesus. Jesus knows better then you an I who is Lucifer and who is Satan.
Check yourself - "And he [Jesus] said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven" Luke 10:18 KJV
"How thou art fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!" Isaiah 14:12 KJV
It is CLEAR to the discerning eye that Jesus IS making Satan synonymous with Lucifer. Jesus often referenced Old Testament passages in his words. Lucifer means "light bringer", hence "lightning".
Hey hey hey why do you play your self wise?? Wisdom comes right from God's trone. Not from logic. Jesus told His disiples those words after The seventy returned with joy, saying, "Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name."
And it has to do with what the disiples told Jesus, and have nothing to do with Isaiah 14:12. Dont miss understand things
According to Daniel, to be wise is to use the power of understanding, the intellect. The wicked are those that refuse to use their God-given intellect to investigate the truth for themselves.
The FACT is that YOU stated earlier:
"Jesus did not explain no where that he saw Satan as a lightning fall from heaven"
But JESUS said:
"I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven" Luke 10:18 KJV
You can try now to back-peddle, but your own comment is right there to read.
Yes.., its true! I did say Jesus did not EXPLAIN no where. Jesus SAID. Do you know the maining in between SAY and EXPLAIN??????
Jesus told those words because His disiples told Him; "Lord, even demons are subject to us in Your name."
Jesus explained about heaven and hell. Heaven for those who acknoledge the wisdom of God to manifest in there lifes and hell for those who play smart. Thinking they knows everything better then anyone else on earth
I'm not playing anything here. This isn't a game. And are you really about to give me an English lesson? Have you taken a close look at your sentences?
The word "explain" means to "make plain & comprehensible". That is exactly what Jesus did when he SAID the above stated verse.
And that is exactly what we are doing through these videos.
I admire the video you posted about the 3 days and 3 night Jesus said he was going to be in the belly of earth. The Thomb of Christ. Excellent..!
God bless you with heavenly riches with more wissdom.
But this video I can not agree with you Adamjacob9. Sorry.., I CANNOT.
Its not about teaching you English. 1 thing im very bad in is english. But for me, Jesus did say those words in the corresponding verse. But for me, He never explain, as you telling me He made plain? No sir! Not true!
O my loving friends! Consort with all the peoples, kindreds and religions of the world with the utmost truthfulness, uprightness, faithfulness, kindliness, good-will and friendliness, that all the world of being may be filled with the holy ecstasy of the grace of Bahá, that ignorance, enmity, hate and rancor may vanish from the world and the darkness of estrangement amidst the peoples and kindreds of the world may give way to the Light of Unity.Such are the attributes of the sincere!-Abdul-Baha
Out of knowing the Baha'is, they all have the same bright smile and radiant energy; no matter their nationalities, their back grounds and/or their cultures they all carry the same love for the creator and humanity. Therefore, one can recognize a Baha'i through their undeniable positive energy.
If Bahaullah is Jesus Christ, why there is still tyranny and oppression in this world? in Christianity and Islam its said Jesus Christ will come and there will come a Golden Age or an age with no problems, DID IT HAPPENED?
Good question. The Bible says that when the gospel (good news) of the kingdom (Davidic) is proclaimed to all the world, then the end (of war, oppression etc...) will come. Baha'u'llah has yet to be proclaimed to the whole world as the Return of Christ. Baha'u'llah is not the same Personage of Jesus Christ, but is the prophesied return of Christ, another descendant of David, this time seated upon the throne, coming in fulfllment of prophecy with God's Plan for Peace.
What does any of this have to do with this video? Have you even watched it? We accept Jesus, and all the Prophets.
We'll have to agree to disagree about your interpretations for as I've demonstrated here and elsewhere they conflict with various other verses. We have to accept ALL the verses of the Bible, right? Well your interpretations set aside other points made throughout the Bible and willfully ignore others. Let's just agree to disagree, okay?
We'll have to agree to disagree about your interpretations for as I've demonstrated here and elsewhere they conflict with various other verses. We have to accept ALL the verses of the Bible, right? Well your interpretations set aside other points made throughout the Bible and willfully ignore others. Let's just agree to disagree, okay?
Besides, what does all this have to do with this video? Have you even watched it? We accept Jesus, and all the Prophets. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for contributing all these great verses. We actually like every single verse in the Bible, so thanks but you needn't trouble yourself with rewriting every one of them here. We've ventured away from the actual topic of this video with the tangents, and from the looks of it you haven't actually commented on the content of this video. We do try to stay on topic here, so let's get back to the subject: The Prince of this World.
Yes, all who saw Jesus glimpsed the future coming of the Glory of God, Baha'u'llah, as They are One. In the face of Christ is the "knowledge of the glory of God", & every tongue confesses that Jesus is Lord to Baha'u'llah, as this is what Baha'u'llah also proclaims.
Another astonishingly compelling rebuttal. You can't answer the challenges posed to your logic, so its straight to an ah hominem attack? Thanks for clearing up that up for us.
FWIW, we don't sell literature; it's all free. Our classes are also free, as it says the waters of life are free to all who seek it.
Very compelling rebuttal; I especially like your use of repeating everything you've been told the Bible says, versus considering what it actually says about these matters. Apparently even though Jesus himself said he didn't come to bring peace isn't compelling enough for you to reconsider your entirely uneducated position on the matter? You'll prefer to cling to this mythical unsourced fantasy about this over what Jesus actually said about it? Fascinating.
Not according to Jesus: "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." (Matt:10:34)
Isaiah's description of the "Prince of Peace" doesn't describe Jesus in any way. Clearly this promised one he is describing refers to the 2nd Christ, who according to the OT is not the same Christ coming twice, but two different Christs. Christians of course have a fundamental belief in Jesus coming twice, but unfortunately they are fundamentally wrong.
Well, you could do what I suggested and check some of the other videos I explained answered your questions. The Divine Standard video on this channel explains in much greater details than I could in these comment boxes what you're asking about. Also, the entire genealogy of Baha'u'llah is available on our site "bupc" "dot" "org", at the top of the right hand column, as is a full explanation in the tab below that. Your answers are in these locations, not in these comment boxes.
A literal Prince, actually. This is quite clear in the content of the video, isn't it? Baha'u'llah was a literal prince being the son of the Exilarch on the Throne of David. There is another video on this channel called "The Divine Standard" that outlines Baha'u'llah's royal father to son lineage tracing it all the way back to David.
Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Baha'u'llah is not mentioned in Isaiah 9:6-7. Your making this stuff up.
Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Baha'u'llah's name means "glory of the Father". One of the title of the Prince of Peace is "Everlasting Father", NOT "Son".
Jesus' warning is that if anyone comes "in my name", which is the name "Jesus" & claimes to be the Christ, they are surely a deceiver. Therefore, "Jesus" the Christ will NEVER come to planet earth again, as he said: "The world seeth me no more"
Baha'u'llah comes in the prophesied name given by Jesus himself in Mark 8:38 & by Ezekiel & Isaiah.
In book of Aghdas Baha'ullah said:feed your family first than if you have more give them to your relative than if any left give that to poors.(in fasting rule section)poor say to him oh my glory Baha thanks for all your left over LoL, please don't get angry that is in Baha most hooly book of Aghdas look up is there , Jesus said give everything you have to the poor so you can walk in to kingdom of God ,not your left over,i guss Baha son of royalty couldn't feel what is mean to be hungry and down.
Rich, we've answered the questions you ask, so why re-ask them & accuse us of being "afraid of the truth"? You're obviously intolerant of views that diverge from your own, so why the daily barrage of posts? Are you waiting for us to convert?
This teaching effort of yours is a very curious approach; righteous indignation mixed w/ belittling insults & condemnation. Do you get extra brownie points for all the heretics you chastise daily? I bet you're making Jesus real proud. Keep up the good work.
Also, I just realized you are a BUPC Bahai. Excuse mine ire directed towards thee, for such wrath is only directed upon those people of perdition, the Haifan uhj bahaim!
But from now on, the Son of Man will be seated at the right hand of the mighty God." They all asked, "Are you then the Son of God?" He replied, "You are right in saying I am."
Perhaps his most provocative title was his favourite, the 'Son of Man', mentioned over 80 times in the Gospels.[26] Far from merely emphasising his humanity, this is an unmistakable reference to Daniel 7:13,14 where we are shown a supernatural figure who is 'given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshipped him.'
Jesus identified himself as this divine-human Messiah figure from Book of Daniel, and accepted the title from others. Matt 14:33, Matt. 28:17; Lk 24:52; Jn 9:38, 20:28
Try putting this self-serving Book of Daniel pseudo-exegesis in front of a Rabbi and see the response you get. Furthemore your gospels *as is* are fabricated and interpolated texts of an anti-Semitic "Church" propaganda.
The title "Son of Man" is used all throughout scripture in a variety of contexts. Ezekiel is addressed as "Son of Man", did you know that? Is Ezekiel Jesus now?
Do you have a thinking persons reply to this question? Come on, you can do it. I know the temptation will be just to ignore my question & post some unrelated verse, but I just know you're up to the challenge.
meaculpa9r, did you decide to join Youtube yesterday (7/23/08) just to comment on these videos? What an honor; we're totally flattered and glad to have inspired you like this. We really appreciate the support because incessant flurries of commenting like you're doing help these videos rank high in searches. Thanks.
So, I wonder if you have any comments about all these verses you're posting? We too accept every single verse in the Bible, and believe in Jesus. What exactly is your point?
Muhammed accepted and professed Jesus as having come in the flesh & being of God. According to the Bible, Muhammad is therefore "of God". So you don't accept him as a Messenger of God? So what? That's your loss. But how can you call him a false prophet when he doesn't fit the criteria the Bible gives to be called one?
Yeah, I read it. Can you be specific? Where is the explicit verse you're referring to? Are you here to engage in any sort of discussion about the verses you post? If not, there's not much point, as we don't disagree with what the Bible says.
11 = HU = bahhaaj/magnificence = the Pentagram. The circle around the pentagram represents the word Allah which makes the Pentalpha enclosed by the circle represent the phrase Huwa'Llah/'It is the Godhead' or Allah HU (same meaning). The gematria/numerical value of these two words together (which consists of 6 letters to the value of the letter waw) is 77. 7 + 7 = 14 = wajh/Face. 7 x 7 = 49 Al-Hayy/the Living (with the definite article counted). 4 + 9 = 13/Ahad (the One). 4 x 9 = 36/ilah (god).
If you mean the Pentagram, you are wrong. The Pentagram is a symbol of the True Godhead. The Bahaim fake greatest name symbol is one of the marks of the Beast as is the various symbols asssociated with Paulianity and the Church who are another one of the spawns of satan along with the bahaim.
Mutatis mutandis, God doesn't need a "son" in order to Reveal Itself either nor should you Paulianist heretics therefore be wearing a cross as a testimony to such "revelation". Furthemore, Yeshua is no more the fulfillment of the prophesies of Daniel than Husayn 'Ali Nuri is that of the Bayan. The pentagram is a symbol of the Divine Theophany: A symbol which a small-minded literalist Churchianist fool, and another spawn of satan like the bahaim, such as you or your kind can fathom.
com one mr vahid azal what is nomber 11 to you i know you know a lot just ansewr this one you see all these lost sheep come on bring your truth you sound like another Rasoul just bring your light here i lost my coins in this dark mybe i find it in your light
1 Timothy 4:1 "The Spirit [The Holy Spirit] clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons."
The explanation given at the end of this video of the Pentagram (haykal) is absolutely laughable. The pentagram represents the Greatest Name which is HU (NOT as you bahaim claim baha'). Five outward points (equivalent to the letter Ha' and the word Bab/gate) and six inward houses representing the letter Waw = 11 = HU. It is also the representation the Talismanic-Temple (haykal) of the Theophany of the Godhead embodied within the vehicle of the Divine Mirror who is the Point of Primality.
Mirza Husayn 'Ali Nari is not only considered the antichrist/dajjal to Christians, he is the preeminent antichrist/dajjal of the Revelation of the Bayan as well.
Government of God? You people are dangerous FASCISTS more dangerous than the mullahs!
wahidazal, you said he's "considered the antichrist/dajjal to Christians" and "of the Bayan as well.". You're saying you speak for all "Christians" that the see him as the Antichrist? I don't know one Christian who's ever heard of him. Dajjal is a term from Islam; are you sure you're not exaggerating or even embellishing these claims a little? And the Bayan too? I assume you know that's his forerunner's Revelation? But he's the "Antichrist/Dajjal" to all the Babis? Would you please elaborate?
I speak for the TRUTH when I say that this shameless usurper and satanic spawn of bloodthirsty Imperialists was the manifestation of pure evil, yes. I would be happy to elaborate except that you Bahaim (Hebrew for 'beasts') are too far brainwashed to listen.
And His Holiness the Primal Point nor His Revelation had anything to do with this dajjal false claimant you call your manifestation.
Oh, I see. You're one of Mirza Yaya's followers. Well, if you really feel we are that big of a threat that you have to come here and slander and call us names then I truly feel sorry for you. How sad that you feel you must tear us down to bolster the claims of the one you follow. Yours are no threat to our beliefs, for they are between us & God; neither do we threaten you in any direct way. I pray you find the voice of the Beloved in your heart & success in all your endeavors. Peace be with you.
Quit playing the victim (mazlum nama'i nakon). You so-and-sos have spent the past 140 years slandering and defaming the Covenant of the Primal Point and His legitimately designated successor and Mirror, His Holiness Subh-i-Azal. You people have lied and lied and then lied some more, and then one the table are turned you cry foul. Zereshk!
Go feel sorry for yourself who is a follower of utter perversity!
meaculpa9r, did you decide to join Youtube yesterday (7/23/08) just to comment on these videos? What an honor; we're totally flattered and glad to have inspired you like this. We really appreciate the support because incessant flurries of commenting like you're doing help these videos rank high in searches. Thanks.
So, I wonder if you have any comments about all these verses you're posting? We too accept every single verse in the Bible, and believe in Jesus. What exactly is your point?
Sperma of David? Jesus is descended from God because God is his father. He is also descended from David because David was an ancestor of Mary the mother of Jesus. The full genealogy is found in Luke 3:23-38.
The "prince of this kosmos" is "cast [ekbalo] out" just as the Son is "cast [ekbalo] out" of the vineyard, as the Son reflect the Prince of Peace of this world [kosmos], which is the Father. The world is judged by its rejection of the prince of this world, the Prince of Peace, Baha'u'llah.
The greek doesn't convey "he has no hold on me", but rather "hath nothing in me", meaning that the Father is Independent of the Son, whereas the Son is dependent upon the Father.
And now you know His New Name, so now you can actually become a part of the church of Philadelphia if you choose. Now that's good news! On second thought...
Baha'u'llah is a Jew (from the tribe of Judah), a direct descendant of King David on the throne line of Kings. The Exilarchs (exiled monarchs of David) went up into Persia around 817 AD.
Rich, I've been away from my computer for several days, & am here to inform you that your about to be blocked from this channel. You've continuously spammed my videos with the same comments & are burying any real conversation with your misguided preaching. So long.
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Rich, we've answered to your comments, so why re-ask them & accuse us of being "afraid of the truth"? You pitifully rely on Proof by Assertion. You're obviously intolerant of views that diverge from your own, but why the daily barrage of posts?
This teaching effort of yours is a very curious approach; righteous indignation mixed w/ belittling insults & condemnation. Do you get extra points for all the heretics you chastise daily? I bet you're making Jesus real proud. Keep up the good work.
Rich, we've answered the questions you ask, so why re-ask them & accuse us of being "afraid of the truth"? You're obviously intolerant of views that diverge from your own, so why the daily barrage of posts? Are you waiting for us to convert?
This teaching effort of yours is a very curious approach; righteous indignation mixed w/ belittling insults & condemnation. Do you get extra brownie points for all the heretics you chastise daily? I bet you're making Jesus real proud. Keep up the good work.
Rich, this teaching effort of yours is a very curious approach; righteous indignation mixed with belittling insults and condemnation. Did you learn these things in the Bible too? Do you get extra brownie points for all the heretics you chastise daily? I bet you're making Jesus real proud. Keep up the good work.
"Next, why does Adam Jacob lie about Jesus Christ and his Mother Mary?"
aj9,jm999 & gd aren't lying,it's just that they'd rather "have a meaningful discussion about the various aspects and possible interpretations of the Bible."That's why they don't use whole verses and passages and prefer arguing over words and quote parts of verses.
This channel is for people who don't read the Bible but who have an Opinion about it's content.;-)
I know you'd love to believe what you're writing, & perhaps you sincerely do. What "whole verses" do you feel we are avoiding? We've clearly answered any & all questions you've had in the past, & you can't stop coming back. Which passages do you feel are being avoided related to THIS video?
Rich, this teaching effort of yours is a very curious approach; righteous indignation mixed with belittling insults and condemnation. Did you learn these things in the Bible too? Do you get extra brownie points for all the heretics you chastise daily? I bet you're making Jesus real proud. Keep up the good work.
Rich, you keep spamming this channel w/ endless rhetoric, but can't answer direct ???'s If Jesus is in fact God incarnate, why would he say "I am ascending to my father to your father; to MY GOD to your God." (Jn20:17)? How is God Jesus' God if Jesus himself is God?
"No man has seen God at any time".
"The father is greater than I".
"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus".
Please reconcile this dichotomy between your ideas and these explicit verses.
Rich, you keep spamming this channel w/ endless rhetoric, but can't answer direct ???'s If Jesus is in fact God incarnate, why would he say "I am ascending to my father to your father; to MY GOD to your God." (Jn20:17)? How is God Jesus' God if Jesus himself is God?
"No man has seen God at any time".
"The father is greater than I".
"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus".
Please reconcile this dichotomy between your ideas and these explicit verses.
Rich, you keep spamming this channel w/ endless rhetoric, but can't answer direct ???'s If Jesus is in fact God incarnate, why would he say "I am ascending to my father to your father; to MY GOD to your God." (Jn20:17)? How is God Jesus' God if Jesus himself is God?
"No man has seen God at any time".
"The father is greater than I".
"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus".
Please reconcile this dichotomy between your ideas and these explicit verses.
The curse was said to later be lifted in Jer 51, and vindication granted; but you would know that if you weren't just cherry picking the verses that suite your purposes.
It's impossible to account vacuum of evidences for Mary being a descendant of David with ad hominem attacks on me and my beliefs. Luke's genealogy is for "his father Joseph"; are you calling Luke a liar too? You're still in a state of wanting. (Bwhahaha)
Rich, it's really a shame you can't find something productive to do with your time. I usually enjoy discussions with Christians here, but this isn't a discussion as you haven't once responded to any of our replies, but rather create endless strings of comments, most of which are bumped to the back pages and never see the light of day. Why you must recycle old posts 10 and 12 times each is strange and leaves me concerned for your well being. Manic-depression is treatable Rich; don't postpone joy.
Rich, it's really a shame you can't find something productive to do with your time. I usually enjoy discussions with Christians here, but this isn't a discussion as you haven't once responded to any of our replies, but rather create endless strings of comments, most of which are bumped to the back pages and never see the light of day. Why you must recycle old posts 10 and 12 times each is strange and leaves me concerned for your well being. Manic-depression is treatable Rich; don't postpone joy.
The curse was said to later be lifted in Jer 51, and vindication granted; but you would know that if you weren't just cherry picking the verses that suite your purposes.
It's impossible to account vacuum of evidences for Mary being a descendant of David with ad hominem attacks on me and my beliefs. You're still in a state of wanting.
Rich, that's patently absurd propaganda that is not supported by the verses you're quoting. Those verses clearly state that it's "his father Joseph" that both the Luke and Matthew genealogies are stating. Matthew's genealogy does have him descend from Solomon, so your own logic just negated itself. Nice try, but Jews NEVER trace descent matrilinealy, and Paul negates the notion that its thru adoption stating he was "made of the seed (sperma in Greek) of David according to the FLESH" (Rms1:3).
daomen, diversion won't cover up the holes in this absurd notion that Mary is a descendant of David. It's a tired farce which has no scriptural backing. Its an invention of the Church, like the Trinity & his divinity; none of which are corroborated by Scripture, yet Rich would have us accept these lies readily while calling us the liars.
As to your question, it was answered fully during your debates w/ Adam over the past year on his Christ & AntiChrist video. Refer to it as often as necessary.
"...It's a tired farce which has no scriptural backing."
Why?
Because you say so?
"As to your question,it was answered fully..."
Since i don't presuppose bahaism do be true,i question their claims and If in my "debates" w/Adam you feel/believe he "fully answered"my question,then,i question your feelings.And i Still question your belief that both Genealogies are Josephs although they differ.
Luke's genealogy is accurate, as he went back into the archives & did the research. Matthew's purpose was to point out that Jesus was the Christ by virtue of his geneology through Joseph back to David, which is a pre-requisite (male sperm descendant) to be the Messiah. Matthew doesn't have all the right names, but the overall point of why he included the genealogy stands firm.
If I cut through the rhetoric,your answer to my question "How do you explain the differences?" is "They are due to Matthew' inaccuracy with names but the differences are overshadowed by the purpose/point of tracing Jesus back to David".Yes?
I'm to blame if you misunderstood the question which should've been"How do you explain that Matt'.genealogy goes from David-Solomon while Luke' goes from David-Nathan?
Its the same answer as the 1st time you asked. To what end must we all drudge through this whole litany of questions you possess for a 2nd time? You asked this exact line of questions 6 months ago, then 2days ago; he's answered this very question twice now. The difference is that Luke was a Roman citizen and had access to the records and is more accurate. Matthews genealogy isn't considered accurate by any scholar; there's names missing and the descent is incorrect; I'd like to know why you ask.
Because bahai'still explain away the contradictions of this particular belief of theirs.Luke having access to records doesn't explain why he traces Jesus ancestry through Nathan.Matthew not being"considered accurate by any scholar"(puhleez)doesn't explain why he traces Jesus ancestry through Solomon.
"Matthews genealogy isn't considered accurate by any scholar..."
Which gen. do you use for baha'who?'llah' ancestry?
"baha'who?'llah"? Seriously? What are you 12? Is being rude and sarcastic to peoples of other Faiths one of your Christian values? Real mature. Have you had many other positive interactions by demeaning & insulting the foundering fathers of other Religions? Not that what you think matters an iota, but do you really expect to be extended any courtesies here if you're going to be rude and insulting? The Q&A is over for you. Bu-bye.
Christianity is the greater,bahaism is the lesser religion.Your appeals to the earlier and greater to legitimize the claims of your founder are as desperate as those of the m'who?'hammadean muslim.You can keep your later and lesser christ,We await the return of the Lord Jesus-Christ.Rev 22:20.;-)
btw.I guess both Genealogies are Joseph' because...you say they are?
Great, thanks for verifying my original presumption that your intent is merely to demean and demoralize us non-Christian heretics, and not have a meaningful discussion about the various aspects and possible interpretations of the Bible. Engaging in base-level exchanges are never productive, but thanks for sharing. Take care.
btw, for answers to all your ???s you may refer to the first time they were answered by Adam as often as necessary. I'm afraid we have no new answers for you at this time.
"...your intent is merely to demean and demoralize us non-Christian heretics,..."
You can believe whatever you want,but don't claim your beliefs to be Biblical.Because as soon as you do,men and women who Know the Biblical narrative will challenge your claims.
And the "defense" you put up are adequate Only if you presume bahaism to be true.;-)
We Christians are more interested in the Big Picture provided by all the Biblical Vs while you'z are more interested at cherry picking the already cherry picked Vs.So this is why R2 can Out-verse & out-argue your belief.
btw,please spare me the "offended maiden" act.
It is unwelcome in the realm of apologetics,
that is,if you consider yourself an apologist of bahaism?...;-)
The "big picture" you refer to, it wouldn't happen to have been painted by the church, now would it have? Possibly by the same artist that painted the famous hazelnut hair painting of "Jesus" hung in the homes of many "Christians".
You see, the problem with your "big picture" is that its been vandalized & tagged with words like "trinity" & "rapture" which are not found in the real picture.
If you really want to know the source of the picture you see, go back to Babylon.
Rich, i think you've mistaken this channel for 1 that will tolerate prejudice, put downs, & intolerance. by all means keep it up; you're one more spamming/insult escapade away from being blocked and having all your comments deleted into oblivion. You aren't commenting on our replies or even engaging in any dialog. now you're just cutting and pasting old comments you've made; have you run out of original thoughts and have to resort to recycling? How sad you don't have anything productive to do.
I confess that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, made of the seed [from the greek SPERMA] of David according to the flesh.
Do you?
Because the verse you just quoted above about testing the spirits gives my response as the criteria for those who are "of God".
Now, by the power of the Spirit, witness that we accept Jesus Christ as having come in the flesh, & according to the very verse you are quoting, we are right with God.
While Richbee pollutes this comment section with an endless diatribe completely unrelated to this video's topic & refuses to engage in dialog but rather just spams this channel, I'd like to remind viewers that unlike some people (I'm looking at you Rich) we completely respect the fact that there are varying views and opinions on these matters, and that even though we may respectfully disagree at times, we do welcome any and all comments and respect your rights to worship God however you see fit.
While Richbee pollutes this comment section with an endless diatribe completely unrelated to this video's topic & refuses to engage in dialog but rather just spams this channel, I'd like to remind viewers that unlike some people (I'm looking at you Rich) we completely respect the fact that there are varying views and opinions on these matters, and that even though we may respectfully disagree at times, we do welcome any and all comments and respect your rights to worship God however you see fit.
why are you posting these same verses on every video of this channel? are we supposed to convert to your religion based on these? i have an idea; why not make a video summarizing these points instead of spamming this channel?
Rich, it's a shame you can't account for the contradictions we have pointed out in your logic, but instead can only accuse us of being "liars". I would love to see you answer even 1 of the unanswered questions put to your conclusions. Now that your done with your flurry of posts that make clear your beliefs will you go on ignoring any of the questions put to them? I've bothered to give your ideas considerations & asked logical questions; you could extend the common courtesy of answering them.
While Richbee pollutes this comment section with an endless diatribe completely unrelated to this video's topic (Return of Christ), I'd like to remind viewers that unlike some people (I'm looking at you Rich) we completely respect the fact that there are varying views and opinions on these matters, and that even though we may respectfully disagree at times, we do welcome any and all comments and respect your rights to worship God however you see fit.
While Richbee pollutes this comment section with an endless diatribe completely unrelated to this video's topic (Return of Christ), I'd like to remind viewers that unlike some people (I'm looking at you Rich) we completely respect the fact that there are varying views and opinions on these matters, and that even though we may respectfully disagree at times, we do welcome any and all comments and respect your rights to worship God however you see fit.
While Richbee pollutes this comment section with an endless diatribe completely unrelated to this video's topic (Return of Christ), I'd like to remind viewers that unlike some people (I'm looking at you Rich) we completely respect the fact that there are varying views and opinions on these matters, and that even though we may respectfully disagree at times, we do welcome any and all comments and respect your rights to worship God however you see fit.
While Richbee pollutes this comment section with an endless diatribe completely unrelated to this video's topic (Return of Christ), I'd like to remind viewers that unlike some people (I'm looking at you Rich) we completely respect the fact that there are varying views and opinions on these matters, and that even though we may respectfully disagree at times, we do welcome any and all comments and respect your rights to worship God however you see fit.
While Richbee pollutes this comment section with an endless diatribe completely unrelated to this video's topic (Return of Christ), I'd like to remind viewers that unlike some people (I'm looking at you Rich) we completely respect the fact that there are varying views and opinions on these matters, and that even though we may respectfully disagree at times, we do welcome any and all comments and respect your rights to worship God however you see fit.
While Richbee pollutes this comment section with an endless diatribe completely unrelated to this video's topic (Return of Christ), I'd like to remind viewers that unlike some people (I'm looking at you Rich) we completely respect the fact that there are varying views and opinions on these matters, and that even though we may respectfully disagree at times, we do welcome any and all comments and respect your rights to worship God however you see fit.
While Richbee pollutes this comment section with an endless diatribe completely unrelated to this video's topic (Return of Christ), I'd like to remind viewers that unlike some people (I'm looking at you Rich) we completely respect the fact that there are varying views and opinions on these matters, and that even though we may respectfully disagree at times, we do welcome any and all comments and respect your rights to worship God however you see fit.
you have right! prince of peace (return of Christ) / Baha'u'llah / Kalki Avatar / Maitreya are one and same person!
cloudkicker1000 2 months ago
click on the LIKE
persiaisparadise 4 months ago
“O thou who art waiting,
tarry no longer, for He is come.
Behold His Tabernacle
and His Glory dwelling therein. It is the Ancient Glory,
with a new Manifestation.” Baha'u'llah
sayar119 1 year ago
wow , well done my friend.
To all you make comments here, he talk about the truth , now you have to decide and find more info on your own, remember you can't hide from all merciful, God watch you at all time, fear God and everything else will fear you, love God and everything else will love you, bag the Almighty to guide you to truth.
God help you all
shahebozorg 1 year ago
"And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many." Matthew 24:4-5
Infame16 1 year ago
@Infame16 That's a great point! And what is his name? It's Jesus! Therefore, anyone coming in his name, the name 'Jesus', claiming to be the Christ, is a deceiver. By this verse we know that the return of Christ will come in a 'new name'. That new name is all over the Bible: the glory of the Father, Baha'u'llah.
adamjacob9 1 month ago
Are you a Baha'i in good standing? Is this message approved by the institutions of the Faith? Do believe in the covenant? Do you follow the guidance from the Universal House of Justice on Mount Carmel?
MrNeosoul99 2 years ago
Baha'u'llah is a fraud like the movie the man who would be king
Valllick 2 years ago
Baha'u'llah did not meet the timeline or the extensive criteria for the Paraclete that Jesus was talking about in the passages when he mentions the prince.
academysounds 2 years ago
the bible says that there is only one mediator between God and man...and and names the man JESUS CHRIST!!!
the bible also says that its not enough to just believe in Jesus...but you must FOLLOW HIM....AND OBEY HIM.....the bible says that even SATAN BELIEVES IN JESUS....BUT HE'S NOT GOING TO HEAVEN!!!......THE BIBLE SAYS THAT BELIEVING WITHOUT FOLLOWING HIM IS WORTHLESS!!!!....THOUGHT YOU MIGHT WANT TO STUDY IT OUT A LITTLE MORE
PPPOOONNNEEEYYY 2 years ago 2
In the Aramaic translation by Aramaic scholar George Lamsa it says
From the Aramaic
"Hereafter I will not talk much with you; for the Prince of this world comes; and yet he has nothing against me." John 14:30
Baha'u'llah was not the Prince of this world/cosmos because he did not meet the timeline or the criteria for the paraclete. When Jesus is talking about the Prince of the world he also talking about the paraclete.
academysounds 2 years ago
What proves this is referring to the "Comforter"?
thegreatcheesedemon 2 years ago
I recommend that you read the Aramaic bible. When Jesus is talking about the paraclete he also says:
"The prince of this world is coming. He has no hold over me but the world must learn that I love the Father and that I do exactly what my father has commanded me". John 14:30
academysounds 2 years ago
Exactly an "exclusive system..." not an inclusive one.
Yes. feel free speak so we know you by your words.
And open you eyes to society instead of hanging on to a false claim to power. Your claims come from greed and selfishness. You want the power and control, even though you know that belongs to god alone.
I know that I am powerless, and poor. And this battle isn't in my heart. And pray that one day it wont be in yours.
seanm512 2 years ago
Ok AdamJacob.. interesteing. Compelling argument as always from you.....So how does Baha'u'Llah's lineage trace to King David? Evidence or net-rumor?
whiteboygangsta 2 years ago
@whiteboygangsta You can see Baha'u'llah's full genealogy at bupc dot org, or uhj dot net.
adamjacob9 1 month ago
I have posted a video response. Did you had a look at it? I am behind the video camara. We are worshiping Jesus in our own lengauge. But as you can hear, Jesus name is mentioned and you can clearly hear it "JESUS" and see how the Holy Spirit moves among us. You cannot see the Holy Spirit, but see the sisters and brothers being touch by the Holy Spirit. We are worshiping the Lord in Spirit and in Truth
EvangelistaLorne 2 years ago
Wow youtube allows cults to teach from their website? They are the BUCP check out who they are before buying into this.
seanm512 2 years ago
sean,
The definition of "cult" is: "followers of an exclusive system of religious beliefs and practices"
According to this primary definition, just about anyone involved in any religion is in a "cult".
And are you suggesting that people that have different ideas from you shouldn't be allowed freedom of speech on youtube?
And everyone else, yes, please "check out who" the BUPC are. I'll be the first to tell you not to accept anything that isn't true.
adamjacob9 2 years ago
Yes, yes they do. It's called the first amendment.
thegreatcheesedemon 2 years ago
4UV,
Can you please provide even 1 verse where Jesus is referred to as the Everlasting Father? I've never seen such a verse.
And please don't quote Isaiah without anything more than the assertion of your paid clergy.
Thanks
adamjacob9 2 years ago
You are so full of shit and intractably deceived that only a miracle could turn your thinking around. Jesus said that in that day many would come saying "he is here. or there", and to believe it not. The angels also said to the witnesses of Christs ressurection to not mourn, for christ would return in the same way you've seen him go up. So when Baha u llah comes to earth in the clouds, let me know. "even the elect might be deceived", and you definitely are.
charliegator89 2 years ago
charlie,
Baha'u'llah does come with the clouds.
The clouds are the misconceptions which veil your eyes from the light; the false doctrines of the paid clergy which block your sight.
Baha'u'llah fulfills prophecy, just as Jesus Christ does.
The Bible says that Jesus went into "heaven", not the sky. Jesus explains in John 3:13 KJV that he was in heaven while on earth, showing that according to Jesus, heaven is not a physical place, but a spiritual state.
Baha'u'llah comes from this heaven.
adamjacob9 2 years ago
This guy do not speak for us Bahai's. He is representing bahai's under provision and the real bahai's do not acknowledge his grand son to be the head of the faith. We have the universal house of justice as the head of the faith. Read more about it. These guy's are called bahai's under provision. Not the actual Bahai's.
jahlegion 2 years ago
You must be talking about the fallible UHJ that the Hands of the Cause established in 1963 after by-passing essential steps outlined by Shoghi Effendi's EXPLICIT instructions like first creating a Baha'i World Court? You mean that UHJ? You follow that fallible headless body? Even though they abdicated the Guardianship which Shoghi EXPLICITLY stated that w/out it "the Faith would be permanently mutilated"? Why would anyone who's thinking clearly following those covenant breakers?
jeffmichaud999 2 years ago
Hi, at 3:10 when you talk about Satan having power over the ecumenical churches, isn't it a bit too early in both the gospel account and history of the church to be saying that the use of this Greek word implies that Satan already has power over something which has not yet been established let alone had time to split into denominations?
Also, isn't the significant point that Jesus spurned Satan's offer?
I agree the Council of Nicea wasn't necessarily altogether helpful.
Thanks
carolinedexter 2 years ago
caroline,
Thank you for your excellent question. At the time Jesus was alive, the oikoumene (ecumenical world) consisted of Rome and those territories paying tribute (tithes) to Rome. The line of Satan is the line of succession in the Babylonian religion, of which the Caesar's were Pontifex Maximus, the spiritual head. This position was passed to the Popes with Pope Damasus. So in reality, the Babylonian trinitarian religion controlled by Satan grew to envelope the Christian world, the oikoumene
adamjacob9 2 years ago
Thanks, I didn't know that.
But I feel that in the context it is used here, the word would be referring to this earlier oikoumene of Rome etc, because the Christian world didn't exist yet.
Just because we use the same word for a different set of territories later on, we can't presume that the writer anticipated this. We have to interpret the passage according to what was known at the time. I'm not saying Satan is not in charge of the church by the way, I have no idea if he is or not.
carolinedexter 2 years ago
caroline,
If we are in acceptance that Jesus had this vision & experience on the mountain, & if we agree that the text is scripture, there should be no problem in at the very least theorizing that this vision might also be prophetic, as in 2 Cor. 4 we read that Satan is the "god of this age [aeon]", the aeon being clarified in other passages to be the time period until the return of Christ. The satanic power controls that time period through the oikoumene. That time period is now done.
adamjacob9 2 years ago
OK, thanks, something to ponder.
Caroline
carolinedexter 2 years ago
Jesus? Oh, you must follow the incarnate god lie.
Also, it makes no sense for Jesus to die for our sins and be the only way if the Old Testament prophets went to heaven.
thegreatcheesedemon 2 years ago
For my concept, Lucifer is not refered to satan. As Jesus said, from the beginning satan was a lair, so from the beginning he could not be a angel of perfection like Lucifer was. I think Lucifer has more to do with Adam, Adam was made perfect. Studie this part little bit more and pray for more revalations. Blessed be the name of Jesus Christ the son of God
EvangelistaLorne 3 years ago
you're talking about folklore associated with "satan", all of which you're co-mingling with what the bible says, and what you "think". we're basing the stated beliefs in this video on what the bible actually says on the matter; it gets convoluted if you start mixing and matching from various sources.
jeffmichaud999 2 years ago
Ur muslims problem is that you believe more in mans teaching instead to believe in God's teaching.
Baha u la.., mohamed and you all will perish if you keep sticked to humanity teaching. The only logic that excist in this world is "HELL"
If we are talking about God's teaching, then you should realize we are talking about uncommon happenings.
Every one believes that if you stick a pc of paper into fire, it will burn. That is logic, things of this world. Be aware
BlackDaim0nd 2 years ago
Ok here is it, I dont "think"
The Bible no where say's that Lucifer is meaned to be Satan. Other name that the bible gives spoken by Jesus is "Belzebu" The leader in evil doing.
Go read ur koran better, and if you see anywhere that any words say that Lucifer = Satan pls lett me know.
EvangelistaLorne 2 years ago
evangelista,
Isaiah tells us that Lucifer was the 1st king of Babylon, which was Nimrod. It says that Lucifer "fell from heaven". Separately, we have Jesus who explains that he saw "Satan as lightning fall from heaven". It is from these 2 sources that the parallel is drawn, showing that Jesus understood Lucifer to be synonymous with Satan.
adamjacob9 2 years ago
Jesus did not explian no where that he saw Satan as a lightning fall from heaven. And Jesus never understood Lucifer to be synonymous with Satan. Watch your words concerning Jesus. Jesus knows better then you an I who is Lucifer and who is Satan.
EvangelistaLorne 2 years ago
Evangel,
Check yourself - "And he [Jesus] said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven" Luke 10:18 KJV
"How thou art fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!" Isaiah 14:12 KJV
It is CLEAR to the discerning eye that Jesus IS making Satan synonymous with Lucifer. Jesus often referenced Old Testament passages in his words. Lucifer means "light bringer", hence "lightning".
adamjacob9 2 years ago
Hey hey hey why do you play your self wise?? Wisdom comes right from God's trone. Not from logic. Jesus told His disiples those words after The seventy returned with joy, saying, "Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name."
And it has to do with what the disiples told Jesus, and have nothing to do with Isaiah 14:12. Dont miss understand things
EvangelistaLorne 2 years ago
Evangelista,
According to Daniel, to be wise is to use the power of understanding, the intellect. The wicked are those that refuse to use their God-given intellect to investigate the truth for themselves.
The FACT is that YOU stated earlier:
"Jesus did not explain no where that he saw Satan as a lightning fall from heaven"
But JESUS said:
"I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven" Luke 10:18 KJV
You can try now to back-peddle, but your own comment is right there to read.
adamjacob9 2 years ago
Are you playing smart??
Yes.., its true! I did say Jesus did not EXPLAIN no where. Jesus SAID. Do you know the maining in between SAY and EXPLAIN??????
Jesus told those words because His disiples told Him; "Lord, even demons are subject to us in Your name."
Jesus explained about heaven and hell. Heaven for those who acknoledge the wisdom of God to manifest in there lifes and hell for those who play smart. Thinking they knows everything better then anyone else on earth
EvangelistaLorne 2 years ago
Evangelista,
I'm not playing anything here. This isn't a game. And are you really about to give me an English lesson? Have you taken a close look at your sentences?
The word "explain" means to "make plain & comprehensible". That is exactly what Jesus did when he SAID the above stated verse.
And that is exactly what we are doing through these videos.
adamjacob9 2 years ago
I admire the video you posted about the 3 days and 3 night Jesus said he was going to be in the belly of earth. The Thomb of Christ. Excellent..!
God bless you with heavenly riches with more wissdom.
But this video I can not agree with you Adamjacob9. Sorry.., I CANNOT.
Its not about teaching you English. 1 thing im very bad in is english. But for me, Jesus did say those words in the corresponding verse. But for me, He never explain, as you telling me He made plain? No sir! Not true!
EvangelistaLorne 2 years ago
Thank you. :)
whiteboygangsta 2 years ago
O my loving friends! Consort with all the peoples, kindreds and religions of the world with the utmost truthfulness, uprightness, faithfulness, kindliness, good-will and friendliness, that all the world of being may be filled with the holy ecstasy of the grace of Bahá, that ignorance, enmity, hate and rancor may vanish from the world and the darkness of estrangement amidst the peoples and kindreds of the world may give way to the Light of Unity.Such are the attributes of the sincere!-Abdul-Baha
jeffmichaud999 3 years ago 2
Nope, wrong again.
jeffmichaud999 3 years ago
Not quite. Somehow you manage to keep missing the mark.
jeffmichaud999 3 years ago
Out of knowing the Baha'is, they all have the same bright smile and radiant energy; no matter their nationalities, their back grounds and/or their cultures they all carry the same love for the creator and humanity. Therefore, one can recognize a Baha'i through their undeniable positive energy.
mowa7edabellah 3 years ago
If Bahaullah is Jesus Christ, why there is still tyranny and oppression in this world? in Christianity and Islam its said Jesus Christ will come and there will come a Golden Age or an age with no problems, DID IT HAPPENED?
pipetube21 3 years ago
pipetube21,
Good question. The Bible says that when the gospel (good news) of the kingdom (Davidic) is proclaimed to all the world, then the end (of war, oppression etc...) will come. Baha'u'llah has yet to be proclaimed to the whole world as the Return of Christ. Baha'u'llah is not the same Personage of Jesus Christ, but is the prophesied return of Christ, another descendant of David, this time seated upon the throne, coming in fulfllment of prophecy with God's Plan for Peace.
adamjacob9 3 years ago
What does any of this have to do with this video? Have you even watched it? We accept Jesus, and all the Prophets.
We'll have to agree to disagree about your interpretations for as I've demonstrated here and elsewhere they conflict with various other verses. We have to accept ALL the verses of the Bible, right? Well your interpretations set aside other points made throughout the Bible and willfully ignore others. Let's just agree to disagree, okay?
jeffmichaud999 3 years ago
We'll have to agree to disagree about your interpretations for as I've demonstrated here and elsewhere they conflict with various other verses. We have to accept ALL the verses of the Bible, right? Well your interpretations set aside other points made throughout the Bible and willfully ignore others. Let's just agree to disagree, okay?
Besides, what does all this have to do with this video? Have you even watched it? We accept Jesus, and all the Prophets. Thanks for sharing.
jeffmichaud999 3 years ago
Thanks for contributing all these great verses. We actually like every single verse in the Bible, so thanks but you needn't trouble yourself with rewriting every one of them here. We've ventured away from the actual topic of this video with the tangents, and from the looks of it you haven't actually commented on the content of this video. We do try to stay on topic here, so let's get back to the subject: The Prince of this World.
jeffmichaud999 3 years ago
jcour,
Yes, all who saw Jesus glimpsed the future coming of the Glory of God, Baha'u'llah, as They are One. In the face of Christ is the "knowledge of the glory of God", & every tongue confesses that Jesus is Lord to Baha'u'llah, as this is what Baha'u'llah also proclaims.
adamjacob9 3 years ago
Another astonishingly compelling rebuttal. You can't answer the challenges posed to your logic, so its straight to an ah hominem attack? Thanks for clearing up that up for us.
FWIW, we don't sell literature; it's all free. Our classes are also free, as it says the waters of life are free to all who seek it.
Thanks for sharing; take care.
jeffmichaud999 3 years ago
Very compelling rebuttal; I especially like your use of repeating everything you've been told the Bible says, versus considering what it actually says about these matters. Apparently even though Jesus himself said he didn't come to bring peace isn't compelling enough for you to reconsider your entirely uneducated position on the matter? You'll prefer to cling to this mythical unsourced fantasy about this over what Jesus actually said about it? Fascinating.
jeffmichaud999 3 years ago
jcour,
Did you know that Jesus' native tongue was Galilean Aramaic, and that the way he said "God" was "Allah"?
Jesus called God Allah.
adamjacob9 3 years ago
Not according to Jesus: "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." (Matt:10:34)
Isaiah's description of the "Prince of Peace" doesn't describe Jesus in any way. Clearly this promised one he is describing refers to the 2nd Christ, who according to the OT is not the same Christ coming twice, but two different Christs. Christians of course have a fundamental belief in Jesus coming twice, but unfortunately they are fundamentally wrong.
jeffmichaud999 3 years ago
Well, you could do what I suggested and check some of the other videos I explained answered your questions. The Divine Standard video on this channel explains in much greater details than I could in these comment boxes what you're asking about. Also, the entire genealogy of Baha'u'llah is available on our site "bupc" "dot" "org", at the top of the right hand column, as is a full explanation in the tab below that. Your answers are in these locations, not in these comment boxes.
jeffmichaud999 3 years ago
A literal Prince, actually. This is quite clear in the content of the video, isn't it? Baha'u'llah was a literal prince being the son of the Exilarch on the Throne of David. There is another video on this channel called "The Divine Standard" that outlines Baha'u'llah's royal father to son lineage tracing it all the way back to David.
jeffmichaud999 3 years ago
Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
thomast7420 3 years ago
Baha'u'llah is not mentioned in Isaiah 9:6-7. Your making this stuff up.
Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
thomast7420 3 years ago
thomast,
Baha'u'llah's name means "glory of the Father". One of the title of the Prince of Peace is "Everlasting Father", NOT "Son".
Jesus' warning is that if anyone comes "in my name", which is the name "Jesus" & claimes to be the Christ, they are surely a deceiver. Therefore, "Jesus" the Christ will NEVER come to planet earth again, as he said: "The world seeth me no more"
Baha'u'llah comes in the prophesied name given by Jesus himself in Mark 8:38 & by Ezekiel & Isaiah.
adamjacob9 3 years ago
Well put, I love your videos
brilliant1990 3 years ago
John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
thomast7420 3 years ago 2
thomas,
And here you are, led by Jesus to the Everlasting Father (see Isaiah 9:6-7), Baha'u'llah.
adamjacob9 3 years ago
In book of Aghdas Baha'ullah said:feed your family first than if you have more give them to your relative than if any left give that to poors.(in fasting rule section)poor say to him oh my glory Baha thanks for all your left over LoL, please don't get angry that is in Baha most hooly book of Aghdas look up is there , Jesus said give everything you have to the poor so you can walk in to kingdom of God ,not your left over,i guss Baha son of royalty couldn't feel what is mean to be hungry and down.
hedayatullah9 3 years ago
Rich, we've answered the questions you ask, so why re-ask them & accuse us of being "afraid of the truth"? You're obviously intolerant of views that diverge from your own, so why the daily barrage of posts? Are you waiting for us to convert?
This teaching effort of yours is a very curious approach; righteous indignation mixed w/ belittling insults & condemnation. Do you get extra brownie points for all the heretics you chastise daily? I bet you're making Jesus real proud. Keep up the good work.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
Also, I just realized you are a BUPC Bahai. Excuse mine ire directed towards thee, for such wrath is only directed upon those people of perdition, the Haifan uhj bahaim!
wahidazal 3 years ago
No problem. Have fun with your "Baha'i War" that you're waging. Take care.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
I challenge you to look up the First Council of Nicaea and Roman Emperor Constantine I
terry1919 3 years ago
I AM A lost ship are you the shepherd ? if you are what is 19 to you and WHO is HU to you and what nomber is 9 ?
hedayatullah9 3 years ago
Luke 22:69 and Luke 22:70
But from now on, the Son of Man will be seated at the right hand of the mighty God." They all asked, "Are you then the Son of God?" He replied, "You are right in saying I am."
meaculpa9r 3 years ago
We totally agree and accept every word of the Bible. No need to post the whole thing here verse by verse. Thanks.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
Perhaps his most provocative title was his favourite, the 'Son of Man', mentioned over 80 times in the Gospels.[26] Far from merely emphasising his humanity, this is an unmistakable reference to Daniel 7:13,14 where we are shown a supernatural figure who is 'given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshipped him.'
meaculpa9r 3 years ago
Jesus identified himself as this divine-human Messiah figure from Book of Daniel, and accepted the title from others. Matt 14:33, Matt. 28:17; Lk 24:52; Jn 9:38, 20:28
meaculpa9r 3 years ago
Try putting this self-serving Book of Daniel pseudo-exegesis in front of a Rabbi and see the response you get. Furthemore your gospels *as is* are fabricated and interpolated texts of an anti-Semitic "Church" propaganda.
wahidazal 3 years ago
meaculpRICH,
The title "Son of Man" is used all throughout scripture in a variety of contexts. Ezekiel is addressed as "Son of Man", did you know that? Is Ezekiel Jesus now?
Do you have a thinking persons reply to this question? Come on, you can do it. I know the temptation will be just to ignore my question & post some unrelated verse, but I just know you're up to the challenge.
So, what have you got?
adamjacob9 3 years ago
meaculpa9r, did you decide to join Youtube yesterday (7/23/08) just to comment on these videos? What an honor; we're totally flattered and glad to have inspired you like this. We really appreciate the support because incessant flurries of commenting like you're doing help these videos rank high in searches. Thanks.
So, I wonder if you have any comments about all these verses you're posting? We too accept every single verse in the Bible, and believe in Jesus. What exactly is your point?
genraldisarray 3 years ago
meaculp,
Muhammed accepted and professed Jesus as having come in the flesh & being of God. According to the Bible, Muhammad is therefore "of God". So you don't accept him as a Messenger of God? So what? That's your loss. But how can you call him a false prophet when he doesn't fit the criteria the Bible gives to be called one?
adamjacob9 3 years ago
John 12:31
Now is the time for the judgment of this world to begin. Now will the ruler of this world be thrown out.
See Revelation chapter 17 about the spirit of Babylon and what this means, and she is the whore, so flee from evil spirits that deny Jesus Christ.
Jesus said: Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
meaculpa9r 3 years ago
meaculpa,
It seems as though you're attempting to make a connection between the prince of this world & the whore of Babylon?
Do you have any verses or passages from scripture that make that implication?
adamjacob9 3 years ago
Revelation 17
meaculpa9r 3 years ago
meaculp,
Yeah, I read it. Can you be specific? Where is the explicit verse you're referring to? Are you here to engage in any sort of discussion about the verses you post? If not, there's not much point, as we don't disagree with what the Bible says.
adamjacob9 3 years ago
11 = HU = bahhaaj/magnificence = the Pentagram. The circle around the pentagram represents the word Allah which makes the Pentalpha enclosed by the circle represent the phrase Huwa'Llah/'It is the Godhead' or Allah HU (same meaning). The gematria/numerical value of these two words together (which consists of 6 letters to the value of the letter waw) is 77. 7 + 7 = 14 = wajh/Face. 7 x 7 = 49 Al-Hayy/the Living (with the definite article counted). 4 + 9 = 13/Ahad (the One). 4 x 9 = 36/ilah (god).
wahidazal 3 years ago
Sounds like the mark of the beast?
meaculpa9r 3 years ago
If you mean the Pentagram, you are wrong. The Pentagram is a symbol of the True Godhead. The Bahaim fake greatest name symbol is one of the marks of the Beast as is the various symbols asssociated with Paulianity and the Church who are another one of the spawns of satan along with the bahaim.
wahidazal 3 years ago
God doesn't need a Pentagram to reveal himself. Jesus is the "Son of Man" prophesied in the Book of Daniel.
meaculpa9r 3 years ago
Mutatis mutandis, God doesn't need a "son" in order to Reveal Itself either nor should you Paulianist heretics therefore be wearing a cross as a testimony to such "revelation". Furthemore, Yeshua is no more the fulfillment of the prophesies of Daniel than Husayn 'Ali Nuri is that of the Bayan. The pentagram is a symbol of the Divine Theophany: A symbol which a small-minded literalist Churchianist fool, and another spawn of satan like the bahaim, such as you or your kind can fathom.
wahidazal 3 years ago
Who are you to tell God how he can inform the people of his creation?
Isaiah 6, 7, 9
meaculpa9r 3 years ago
Are you addressing me? If so, I say with al-Hallaj "I Am the Truth/ana al-haqq" :)
wahidazal 3 years ago
com one mr vahid azal what is nomber 11 to you i know you know a lot just ansewr this one you see all these lost sheep come on bring your truth you sound like another Rasoul just bring your light here i lost my coins in this dark mybe i find it in your light
hedayatullah9 3 years ago
Cool. Thanks for sharing. Have fun waging your "Baha'i Wars". Take care.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
1 Timothy 4:1 "The Spirit [The Holy Spirit] clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons."
meaculpa9r 3 years ago
meaculpRichbee,
So what's your excuse. Here Timothy warned you so clearly, yet still you persist in worshipping the Son of Perdition.
adamjacob9 3 years ago
I AM A lost ship are you the shepherd ? if you are what is 19 to you and WHO is HU to you and what nomber is 9 ?
hedayatullah9 3 years ago
The explanation given at the end of this video of the Pentagram (haykal) is absolutely laughable. The pentagram represents the Greatest Name which is HU (NOT as you bahaim claim baha'). Five outward points (equivalent to the letter Ha' and the word Bab/gate) and six inward houses representing the letter Waw = 11 = HU. It is also the representation the Talismanic-Temple (haykal) of the Theophany of the Godhead embodied within the vehicle of the Divine Mirror who is the Point of Primality.
wahidazal 3 years ago
Mirza Husayn 'Ali Nari is not only considered the antichrist/dajjal to Christians, he is the preeminent antichrist/dajjal of the Revelation of the Bayan as well.
Government of God? You people are dangerous FASCISTS more dangerous than the mullahs!
wahidazal 3 years ago
wahidazal, you said he's "considered the antichrist/dajjal to Christians" and "of the Bayan as well.". You're saying you speak for all "Christians" that the see him as the Antichrist? I don't know one Christian who's ever heard of him. Dajjal is a term from Islam; are you sure you're not exaggerating or even embellishing these claims a little? And the Bayan too? I assume you know that's his forerunner's Revelation? But he's the "Antichrist/Dajjal" to all the Babis? Would you please elaborate?
genraldisarray 3 years ago
I speak for the TRUTH when I say that this shameless usurper and satanic spawn of bloodthirsty Imperialists was the manifestation of pure evil, yes. I would be happy to elaborate except that you Bahaim (Hebrew for 'beasts') are too far brainwashed to listen.
And His Holiness the Primal Point nor His Revelation had anything to do with this dajjal false claimant you call your manifestation.
wahidazal 3 years ago
Oh, I see. You're one of Mirza Yaya's followers. Well, if you really feel we are that big of a threat that you have to come here and slander and call us names then I truly feel sorry for you. How sad that you feel you must tear us down to bolster the claims of the one you follow. Yours are no threat to our beliefs, for they are between us & God; neither do we threaten you in any direct way. I pray you find the voice of the Beloved in your heart & success in all your endeavors. Peace be with you.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
Quit playing the victim (mazlum nama'i nakon). You so-and-sos have spent the past 140 years slandering and defaming the Covenant of the Primal Point and His legitimately designated successor and Mirror, His Holiness Subh-i-Azal. You people have lied and lied and then lied some more, and then one the table are turned you cry foul. Zereshk!
Go feel sorry for yourself who is a follower of utter perversity!
wahidazal 3 years ago
Okay then. God Bless.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
meaculpa9r, did you decide to join Youtube yesterday (7/23/08) just to comment on these videos? What an honor; we're totally flattered and glad to have inspired you like this. We really appreciate the support because incessant flurries of commenting like you're doing help these videos rank high in searches. Thanks.
So, I wonder if you have any comments about all these verses you're posting? We too accept every single verse in the Bible, and believe in Jesus. What exactly is your point?
genraldisarray 3 years ago
Excellent verse, Jesus is born of the woman. Gal. 4:4
meaculpa9r 3 years ago
Sperma of David? Jesus is descended from God because God is his father. He is also descended from David because David was an ancestor of Mary the mother of Jesus. The full genealogy is found in Luke 3:23-38.
meaculpa9r 3 years ago
Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
meaculpa9r 3 years ago
meaculpa,
The "prince of this kosmos" is "cast [ekbalo] out" just as the Son is "cast [ekbalo] out" of the vineyard, as the Son reflect the Prince of Peace of this world [kosmos], which is the Father. The world is judged by its rejection of the prince of this world, the Prince of Peace, Baha'u'llah.
adamjacob9 3 years ago
John 14:30 I will not speak with you much longer, for the prince of this world is coming. He has no hold on me...
meaculpa9r 3 years ago
meaculpa,
The greek doesn't convey "he has no hold on me", but rather "hath nothing in me", meaning that the Father is Independent of the Son, whereas the Son is dependent upon the Father.
adamjacob9 3 years ago
What is the big picture?
meaculpa9r 3 years ago
Rich,
And now you know His New Name, so now you can actually become a part of the church of Philadelphia if you choose. Now that's good news! On second thought...
adamjacob9 3 years ago
Rich,
We've been over this. You apparently don't accept Jesus' explanation that John the Baptist was the return of Elijah. Oh well.
adamjacob9 3 years ago
Rich,
Baha'u'llah is a Jew (from the tribe of Judah), a direct descendant of King David on the throne line of Kings. The Exilarchs (exiled monarchs of David) went up into Persia around 817 AD.
adamjacob9 3 years ago
Rich, I've been away from my computer for several days, & am here to inform you that your about to be blocked from this channel. You've continuously spammed my videos with the same comments & are burying any real conversation with your misguided preaching. So long.
adamjacob9 3 years ago
Rich, thanks again for all your support of this channel. All your comments to it help it rank higher on searches done on the tags attached to it. We're ranking up in the top 10 now for searches done on all these tags, and it's supporters like you that will help us stay there. Thanks again for all you support; keep up the good work.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
Rich, we've answered to your comments, so why re-ask them & accuse us of being "afraid of the truth"? You pitifully rely on Proof by Assertion. You're obviously intolerant of views that diverge from your own, but why the daily barrage of posts?
This teaching effort of yours is a very curious approach; righteous indignation mixed w/ belittling insults & condemnation. Do you get extra points for all the heretics you chastise daily? I bet you're making Jesus real proud. Keep up the good work.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
Rich, we've answered the questions you ask, so why re-ask them & accuse us of being "afraid of the truth"? You're obviously intolerant of views that diverge from your own, so why the daily barrage of posts? Are you waiting for us to convert?
This teaching effort of yours is a very curious approach; righteous indignation mixed w/ belittling insults & condemnation. Do you get extra brownie points for all the heretics you chastise daily? I bet you're making Jesus real proud. Keep up the good work.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
Rich, this teaching effort of yours is a very curious approach; righteous indignation mixed with belittling insults and condemnation. Did you learn these things in the Bible too? Do you get extra brownie points for all the heretics you chastise daily? I bet you're making Jesus real proud. Keep up the good work.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
"Next, why does Adam Jacob lie about Jesus Christ and his Mother Mary?"
aj9,jm999 & gd aren't lying,it's just that they'd rather "have a meaningful discussion about the various aspects and possible interpretations of the Bible."That's why they don't use whole verses and passages and prefer arguing over words and quote parts of verses.
This channel is for people who don't read the Bible but who have an Opinion about it's content.;-)
daome2012 3 years ago
daome,
I know you'd love to believe what you're writing, & perhaps you sincerely do. What "whole verses" do you feel we are avoiding? We've clearly answered any & all questions you've had in the past, & you can't stop coming back. Which passages do you feel are being avoided related to THIS video?
adamjacob9 3 years ago
Yes,Amen!,thanks.;-)
daome2012 3 years ago
Rich, this teaching effort of yours is a very curious approach; righteous indignation mixed with belittling insults and condemnation. Did you learn these things in the Bible too? Do you get extra brownie points for all the heretics you chastise daily? I bet you're making Jesus real proud. Keep up the good work.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
Rich, you keep spamming this channel w/ endless rhetoric, but can't answer direct ???'s If Jesus is in fact God incarnate, why would he say "I am ascending to my father to your father; to MY GOD to your God." (Jn20:17)? How is God Jesus' God if Jesus himself is God?
"No man has seen God at any time".
"The father is greater than I".
"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus".
Please reconcile this dichotomy between your ideas and these explicit verses.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
Rich, you keep spamming this channel w/ endless rhetoric, but can't answer direct ???'s If Jesus is in fact God incarnate, why would he say "I am ascending to my father to your father; to MY GOD to your God." (Jn20:17)? How is God Jesus' God if Jesus himself is God?
"No man has seen God at any time".
"The father is greater than I".
"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus".
Please reconcile this dichotomy between your ideas and these explicit verses.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
Rich, you keep spamming this channel w/ endless rhetoric, but can't answer direct ???'s If Jesus is in fact God incarnate, why would he say "I am ascending to my father to your father; to MY GOD to your God." (Jn20:17)? How is God Jesus' God if Jesus himself is God?
"No man has seen God at any time".
"The father is greater than I".
"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus".
Please reconcile this dichotomy between your ideas and these explicit verses.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
The curse was said to later be lifted in Jer 51, and vindication granted; but you would know that if you weren't just cherry picking the verses that suite your purposes.
It's impossible to account vacuum of evidences for Mary being a descendant of David with ad hominem attacks on me and my beliefs. Luke's genealogy is for "his father Joseph"; are you calling Luke a liar too? You're still in a state of wanting. (Bwhahaha)
genraldisarray 3 years ago
Rich, it's really a shame you can't find something productive to do with your time. I usually enjoy discussions with Christians here, but this isn't a discussion as you haven't once responded to any of our replies, but rather create endless strings of comments, most of which are bumped to the back pages and never see the light of day. Why you must recycle old posts 10 and 12 times each is strange and leaves me concerned for your well being. Manic-depression is treatable Rich; don't postpone joy.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
Rich, it's really a shame you can't find something productive to do with your time. I usually enjoy discussions with Christians here, but this isn't a discussion as you haven't once responded to any of our replies, but rather create endless strings of comments, most of which are bumped to the back pages and never see the light of day. Why you must recycle old posts 10 and 12 times each is strange and leaves me concerned for your well being. Manic-depression is treatable Rich; don't postpone joy.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
The curse was said to later be lifted in Jer 51, and vindication granted; but you would know that if you weren't just cherry picking the verses that suite your purposes.
It's impossible to account vacuum of evidences for Mary being a descendant of David with ad hominem attacks on me and my beliefs. You're still in a state of wanting.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
Rich, that's patently absurd propaganda that is not supported by the verses you're quoting. Those verses clearly state that it's "his father Joseph" that both the Luke and Matthew genealogies are stating. Matthew's genealogy does have him descend from Solomon, so your own logic just negated itself. Nice try, but Jews NEVER trace descent matrilinealy, and Paul negates the notion that its thru adoption stating he was "made of the seed (sperma in Greek) of David according to the FLESH" (Rms1:3).
genraldisarray 3 years ago
"Those verses clearly state that it's "his father Joseph" that both the Luke and Matthew genealogies are stating."
How do you explain the differences?
daome2012 3 years ago
daomen, diversion won't cover up the holes in this absurd notion that Mary is a descendant of David. It's a tired farce which has no scriptural backing. Its an invention of the Church, like the Trinity & his divinity; none of which are corroborated by Scripture, yet Rich would have us accept these lies readily while calling us the liars.
As to your question, it was answered fully during your debates w/ Adam over the past year on his Christ & AntiChrist video. Refer to it as often as necessary.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
"...It's a tired farce which has no scriptural backing."
Why?
Because you say so?
"As to your question,it was answered fully..."
Since i don't presuppose bahaism do be true,i question their claims and If in my "debates" w/Adam you feel/believe he "fully answered"my question,then,i question your feelings.And i Still question your belief that both Genealogies are Josephs although they differ.
How do You explain the differences?
daome2012 3 years ago
daome,
Luke's genealogy is accurate, as he went back into the archives & did the research. Matthew's purpose was to point out that Jesus was the Christ by virtue of his geneology through Joseph back to David, which is a pre-requisite (male sperm descendant) to be the Messiah. Matthew doesn't have all the right names, but the overall point of why he included the genealogy stands firm.
adamjacob9 3 years ago
aj9,
If I cut through the rhetoric,your answer to my question "How do you explain the differences?" is "They are due to Matthew' inaccuracy with names but the differences are overshadowed by the purpose/point of tracing Jesus back to David".Yes?
I'm to blame if you misunderstood the question which should've been"How do you explain that Matt'.genealogy goes from David-Solomon while Luke' goes from David-Nathan?
daome2012 3 years ago
Its the same answer as the 1st time you asked. To what end must we all drudge through this whole litany of questions you possess for a 2nd time? You asked this exact line of questions 6 months ago, then 2days ago; he's answered this very question twice now. The difference is that Luke was a Roman citizen and had access to the records and is more accurate. Matthews genealogy isn't considered accurate by any scholar; there's names missing and the descent is incorrect; I'd like to know why you ask.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
"...I'd like to know why you ask."
Because bahai'still explain away the contradictions of this particular belief of theirs.Luke having access to records doesn't explain why he traces Jesus ancestry through Nathan.Matthew not being"considered accurate by any scholar"(puhleez)doesn't explain why he traces Jesus ancestry through Solomon.
"Matthews genealogy isn't considered accurate by any scholar..."
Which gen. do you use for baha'who?'llah' ancestry?
daome2012 3 years ago
"baha'who?'llah"? Seriously? What are you 12? Is being rude and sarcastic to peoples of other Faiths one of your Christian values? Real mature. Have you had many other positive interactions by demeaning & insulting the foundering fathers of other Religions? Not that what you think matters an iota, but do you really expect to be extended any courtesies here if you're going to be rude and insulting? The Q&A is over for you. Bu-bye.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
"baha'who?'llah"? Seriously?"
Christianity is earlier,bahaism is later.
Christianity is the greater,bahaism is the lesser religion.Your appeals to the earlier and greater to legitimize the claims of your founder are as desperate as those of the m'who?'hammadean muslim.You can keep your later and lesser christ,We await the return of the Lord Jesus-Christ.Rev 22:20.;-)
btw.I guess both Genealogies are Joseph' because...you say they are?
daome2012 3 years ago
Great, thanks for verifying my original presumption that your intent is merely to demean and demoralize us non-Christian heretics, and not have a meaningful discussion about the various aspects and possible interpretations of the Bible. Engaging in base-level exchanges are never productive, but thanks for sharing. Take care.
btw, for answers to all your ???s you may refer to the first time they were answered by Adam as often as necessary. I'm afraid we have no new answers for you at this time.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
"...your intent is merely to demean and demoralize us non-Christian heretics,..."
You can believe whatever you want,but don't claim your beliefs to be Biblical.Because as soon as you do,men and women who Know the Biblical narrative will challenge your claims.
And the "defense" you put up are adequate Only if you presume bahaism to be true.;-)
daome2012 3 years ago
"...possible interpretations of the Bible."
I think what you meant is"...Biblical verses."
We Christians are more interested in the Big Picture provided by all the Biblical Vs while you'z are more interested at cherry picking the already cherry picked Vs.So this is why R2 can Out-verse & out-argue your belief.
btw,please spare me the "offended maiden" act.
It is unwelcome in the realm of apologetics,
that is,if you consider yourself an apologist of bahaism?...;-)
daome2012 3 years ago
Okey dokey; thanks again for sharing. Take care.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
daome,
The "big picture" you refer to, it wouldn't happen to have been painted by the church, now would it have? Possibly by the same artist that painted the famous hazelnut hair painting of "Jesus" hung in the homes of many "Christians".
You see, the problem with your "big picture" is that its been vandalized & tagged with words like "trinity" & "rapture" which are not found in the real picture.
If you really want to know the source of the picture you see, go back to Babylon.
adamjacob9 3 years ago
"The "big picture" you refer to, it wouldn't happen to have been painted by the church, now would it have?"
"We Christians are more interested in the Big Picture provided by all the Biblical Vs"is Still my answer.
"...THIS video?"
My commenting on this video is due to an answer given by genraldisarray.Sorry,No actual comment on this video.
daome2012 3 years ago
Oh, flee from the spirit of Babylon.
meaculpa9r 3 years ago
O, that verse was John 12:31 >>
Now is the time for the judgment of this world to begin. Now will the ruler of this world be thrown out.
And, see Revelation chapter 17 about the spirit of Babylon and what this means. Sorry for my typos.
meaculpa9r 3 years ago
daome,
Good to see your true colors shining through again.
adamjacob9 3 years ago
Rich, i think you've mistaken this channel for 1 that will tolerate prejudice, put downs, & intolerance. by all means keep it up; you're one more spamming/insult escapade away from being blocked and having all your comments deleted into oblivion. You aren't commenting on our replies or even engaging in any dialog. now you're just cutting and pasting old comments you've made; have you run out of original thoughts and have to resort to recycling? How sad you don't have anything productive to do.
damntheman19 3 years ago
Well Well, I think you are a fish in a small and
people who think that all the peoples of the world are one and the same human beings and one truth then we are a Fish in the Ocean!!!
Please investigate further.....
racettegm 3 years ago
Richbee,
I confess that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, made of the seed [from the greek SPERMA] of David according to the flesh.
Do you?
Because the verse you just quoted above about testing the spirits gives my response as the criteria for those who are "of God".
Now, by the power of the Spirit, witness that we accept Jesus Christ as having come in the flesh, & according to the very verse you are quoting, we are right with God.
Go make a video.
adamjacob9 3 years ago
While Richbee pollutes this comment section with an endless diatribe completely unrelated to this video's topic & refuses to engage in dialog but rather just spams this channel, I'd like to remind viewers that unlike some people (I'm looking at you Rich) we completely respect the fact that there are varying views and opinions on these matters, and that even though we may respectfully disagree at times, we do welcome any and all comments and respect your rights to worship God however you see fit.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
While Richbee pollutes this comment section with an endless diatribe completely unrelated to this video's topic & refuses to engage in dialog but rather just spams this channel, I'd like to remind viewers that unlike some people (I'm looking at you Rich) we completely respect the fact that there are varying views and opinions on these matters, and that even though we may respectfully disagree at times, we do welcome any and all comments and respect your rights to worship God however you see fit.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
troll alert!
why are you posting these same verses on every video of this channel? are we supposed to convert to your religion based on these? i have an idea; why not make a video summarizing these points instead of spamming this channel?
damntheman19 3 years ago
Rich, it's a shame you can't account for the contradictions we have pointed out in your logic, but instead can only accuse us of being "liars". I would love to see you answer even 1 of the unanswered questions put to your conclusions. Now that your done with your flurry of posts that make clear your beliefs will you go on ignoring any of the questions put to them? I've bothered to give your ideas considerations & asked logical questions; you could extend the common courtesy of answering them.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
While Richbee pollutes this comment section with an endless diatribe completely unrelated to this video's topic (Return of Christ), I'd like to remind viewers that unlike some people (I'm looking at you Rich) we completely respect the fact that there are varying views and opinions on these matters, and that even though we may respectfully disagree at times, we do welcome any and all comments and respect your rights to worship God however you see fit.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
While Richbee pollutes this comment section with an endless diatribe completely unrelated to this video's topic (Return of Christ), I'd like to remind viewers that unlike some people (I'm looking at you Rich) we completely respect the fact that there are varying views and opinions on these matters, and that even though we may respectfully disagree at times, we do welcome any and all comments and respect your rights to worship God however you see fit.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
While Richbee pollutes this comment section with an endless diatribe completely unrelated to this video's topic (Return of Christ), I'd like to remind viewers that unlike some people (I'm looking at you Rich) we completely respect the fact that there are varying views and opinions on these matters, and that even though we may respectfully disagree at times, we do welcome any and all comments and respect your rights to worship God however you see fit.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
While Richbee pollutes this comment section with an endless diatribe completely unrelated to this video's topic (Return of Christ), I'd like to remind viewers that unlike some people (I'm looking at you Rich) we completely respect the fact that there are varying views and opinions on these matters, and that even though we may respectfully disagree at times, we do welcome any and all comments and respect your rights to worship God however you see fit.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
While Richbee pollutes this comment section with an endless diatribe completely unrelated to this video's topic (Return of Christ), I'd like to remind viewers that unlike some people (I'm looking at you Rich) we completely respect the fact that there are varying views and opinions on these matters, and that even though we may respectfully disagree at times, we do welcome any and all comments and respect your rights to worship God however you see fit.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
While Richbee pollutes this comment section with an endless diatribe completely unrelated to this video's topic (Return of Christ), I'd like to remind viewers that unlike some people (I'm looking at you Rich) we completely respect the fact that there are varying views and opinions on these matters, and that even though we may respectfully disagree at times, we do welcome any and all comments and respect your rights to worship God however you see fit.
genraldisarray 3 years ago
While Richbee pollutes this comment section with an endless diatribe completely unrelated to this video's topic (Return of Christ), I'd like to remind viewers that unlike some people (I'm looking at you Rich) we completely respect the fact that there are varying views and opinions on these matters, and that even though we may respectfully disagree at times, we do welcome any and all comments and respect your rights to worship God however you see fit.
genraldisarray 3 years ago