Every time you create a subdivision, an opposition, or a new religion you make the Black race weaker. We become less and less significant. Those of you attacking the NOI are not about race, first of all. You are part of this color blind agenda the government has going on. You have no idea how significant your melanin is. You have no idea how significant it is to be Black. You've been lied to about yourself and to go so far as to attack those who are trying to educate you, that's suicide.
@Satansoppressed Islam existed and was perfected (Qu'ran 5:3) before Elijah Poole or W.D. Ford so in reality it is they who are creating a division not the Muslims. I was at the MMM, I have seen Farrakhan in person countless times and have had a one on one discussion with Ben Chavis back in 1997. What are your credentials on the NOI?
@mrskiddles1 Your opinion is total rubbish with no historical backing being that Muhammad pbuh never invaded Africa and personally freed more than 1000 slaves of various colors. The first people o enslave Africans were the non-Muslim pagan Africans themselves. A few criminals like Yahweh Ben Yaweh and Malachi Z. York promote th non-sensical view of the original Hebrews being Black simply to placate guilible Black Americans and pilfer their women and money.
If there was no youtube,nobody would you who you are.I respect those who stay in the lion's den to fight and lose than those who run like cowards like you and then you condemn the one's who stayed and fought.SO WHAT you know how to speak and read Arabic and quote the Quran.If I were put in a cage by an oppressor,I respect the man who tried to free me even though he failed,than the man who did nothing like yourself & others like you.Your religion is not Islam,your religion is "to be seen of men".
@wali81191 I was at the Million Man March in 1995 and the failed Million Family March in 2000 I also participated in the 2003 march on Washington that Farrakhan had 0% to do with. Elijah Poole did not free you the NOI has not progressed since his death. In 25 year the Prophet Muhammad pbuh over came a far greater enemy than the USA but in 70 years Elijah's false doctrine ha not pogressed Blacs as a whole even 0.1%. If my religion was to be seen of men I'd wear a fancy red bow-tie.
@VoyageIslam,all due respect,you are a silly person.you don't even know why Minister called for that March.If you know anything about the US government,before they invade a nation,they demonize the leader and/or people to justify why the had to destroy that nation.Minister said,which is a fact,the white government demonized black males not only in the eyes of America,but also in the eyes of the world.However,after the March,the world didn,t see black males as animals anymore.
@wali81191 Actually you must not know why he called that march. Follow this link and you will see Farrakhan LIED to get the majority non-Muslim audience in D.C.
watch?v=lqAE6PxOdgA
I was at this rally in 1994 check the audience closely and you can actually see me. Where were you? After the MMM the majority of the U.S. prison population is still Black due to biased American drug laws that demonize Blacks and go easy on Whites with money.
I was at the MMM..Before the MMM,the Minister did a nationwide tour to speak to black men about "stopping the killing".Please,tell me this lie your'e talking about.Elite Whites use of slavery has shifted from chattel slavery to jim crow to imprisonment of black men.Imprison black people are virtally slaves.Again,who will stand up to speak out against this injustice.I have a question for you.Did Prophet Muhammad speak out against the leaders of his tribe for the injustices they were committing?
You said things changed after the MMM but in actuality there are more Blacks in prison now than in 95 are you saying that is a positive thing or were you simply spreading propaganda and hoping I was stupid? Farrakhan promoted the MMM as a tidal wave of change and it turned out to be a gentle flood of the same old rhetoric. Yes, prophet Muhmmad pbuh spoke out against his tribes NATIONALISM (HQ 58:22) but Elijah Poole promoted his tribes NATIONALISM. Elijah Poole was the ANTI-MUHAMMAD.
@VoyageIslam You act like you don't know the government is corrupt. The Black prison population rose after 95' because more Blacks felt liberated and more Blacks were challenging the government.The same thing is going to happen again this year.Every time Farrakhan speaks more people go to jail and that's because the White dominated government has laws set up to criminalize people who have balls. Moors, Radicals, Separatist are all inclusive. Stop fulfilling the William Lynch letter.
The prison population rose because of biased drug laws. If you care to actually inform yourself on the topic search: "Prof. Michelle Alexander: The New Jim Crow."
The answer could not be properly explained in one post not adequately for proper clarification and truth to be known. there was more than one question. my Brother so i addressed all of them.
as a matter of fact 5heeshi asked me a question and you came in on the conversation that is why I responded to you brother. I address u when u post ur evidence then i simply post my response.
If you don't want me here brother just say so and i will leave. I am a peaceful individual but i do think it objective to let others put their proof up when u attempt to misrepresent the teachings.
@55heeshi The NOI is right and exact and it can be proven at no limit of time. Submission to ALLAH and his truth is the proper way. I hear and I obey! Salaam my brothers and sisters in keep the faith!
@5heeshi The khalifas of the Holy Prophet include not only his successors who possessed worldly rule, such as Hazrat Abu Bakr and Umar, but also his spiritual successors who came to revive the true teachings of Islam in every age. The spiritual khalifas are also mentioned in another hadith of the Holy Prophet in the following words:"Surely Allah will raise up for the Muslims, at the head of every century, one who will revive their religion." (Abu Dawood) did u know this?
@5heeshi "Allah has promised to those of you who believe, and do good, that He will surely make them khalifas in the earth as He made those before them to be khalifas " (24:55) By "those before them" are meant the Israelites. The Holy Prophet Muhammad said in explanation:
"The Israelites used to be led by prophets; whenever a prophet died, another came after him. After me there is no prophet, but there will be khalifas and there will be many." (Bukhari, book 60, ch. 50)
@5heeshi1. cont. Whom he said was in the form of a well made man. Who and what was Jabril? He (Farrakhan) always bears witness that ALLAH is one, and That there is not God but ALLAH also that Muhammad is his messenger. Including his final and seal of the prophets. I also heard him say that non knows the the full interpretation except ALLAH himself. never heard him say that The Prophet made a mistake tell me what lecture and at what point. Please.
First I greet you in peace my brother/sister which ever is most appropriate or As Salaam Alaikum! Thank you for your inquiry and i will do my best with the subjects. Insha Allah
I do not understand what you mean by Islamic but if you mean the deification of The Arabs, their traditions, or culture then the NOI definately is not that from what i c. The beliefs from what i heard Farrakhan say. 1. That the Holy Quran was revealed to The Prophet Muhammad Ibn Abdullah(PBUH) by Jabril.
I invite brother/sister 5heeshi I am sorry to interrupt and I encourage you to comment in addition to these few words I must say which are: Islam is NOT Arab traditionalism, nationalim or culture it is in fact the followers of the NOI who follow the cultural ways of the pagan Quraish who were the epitome of Arab culture exemplified in there NATIONALISM and self exhortation. Elijah Poole taught the ways of the Quraish he taught a racially exclusive mentality while Islam does not.
@VoyageIslam LOL! My brother! so u have returned? I have not heard from u in a while, but always feel free to join in its all about dialogue to clear up misunderstandings. There is no nationalism in NOI Islam is supposed to be one just like The Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) established it. That's why it's called The Nation meaning one. If ALLAH is one then his community should b 1. Just like when the pilgrims congregate in MECCA. This is the highest expression of unity on the planet earth
@VoyageIslam I like u brother! i also find this conversation so necessary to continue hurling truth at falsehood until we bash out its brains! I only hear the exultation of ALLAH and his message revealed by The Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) Racism was not introduced into Islam by the NOI. The Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) saw it creeping in thats why he stated there is no superiority of the Arab over the Non Arab. The best are those who are most careful to their duty to ALLAH. Peace!
@VoyageIslam I am proud of you my brother for your growth however when one forsakes his foundation then he no stable stance. I love for my brothers what i love for myself if i have a bowl of bean soup my brother has half. If it there was no NOI u would have never moved out of your devilishment like Malcolm and many others. They are doing their job. ur proof.
@VoyageIslam Salam brother, I know Islam is not linked to any culture or race. You can be a white pakistani muslim or a black american muslim and your considered equal. I am a muslim, I follow Quran, Sunnah and Hadith.
The NOI believe such bizarre stuff and they violate the shahadah with their belief in mr poole.
Yhe Shahadah is the 1st pillar of Islam. If anyone believes contrary to this I dont see how they could be considered muslims as it is in direct violation of the shahadah.
@othellosson Islamic ie the orthodox beliefs, 1 Allah, final messenger..
THe problem is all nation memebers hold contradictory beliefs, I have seen farah say that he is Elijah he is the messiah? I have seen mr poole say that he is a prophet?
Your saying the complete opposite. There is others saying that Allah and angels are equal and that prophet muhammad pbuh made mistakes. Chek it out /watch?v=0pfOrb3mdmo
We dont have a problem with leaders, just those claiming prophethood
The nation is not islamic. I was just talking to a nation member and you beliefs are not islamic at all.
He said that you believe angels or elohims talked to Prophet Muhammad pbuh. That the Prophet Muhammad pbuh didnt understand what the angel was telling him and made mistake.
That the angels are equall to God as in they are gods themselves??
If you believe that God isnt one and Prophet Muhammad pbuh isnt the final messenger then your not muslim.
@voyageislam I just hope it does not surprise u too much. It is racism in ISLAM that causes the Arabs to ignore the warnings if the people selected to raise the light of ISLAM in the west. They have deviated from the Prophet dividing up the family and arrogantly persist in that way. that is why the family is too weak to defend against the attacks of the imperialists. they will answer for the destruction of the caliphate! where does it say in the Quran that this is n Quran. D Prophet taught this
@voyageislam Now thats a little my brother keep working the refinement and it will get better. ok now so u have not been studying NOI for as 55 years then u have not studied it before i was born. As far as the Quran and hadith. see ISLAM in America interview with The Honorable Minister and that will help u to know what u missed. I applaud you on ur zeal to find the true message but I know u will find out THE NOI is right and exact.
@othellosson I do not know what is sadder the fact that you are 55 and still have not outgrown Elijah Pooles Similac pedagogy or that you are a grown man with a cartoon for a profile pic.
@othellosson You judge Muslims for wearing the clothing of the prophet Muhammad pbuh but you do not want Calypso Louie Walcott to be judged for wearing Versace suits that he buys with your money? If it is not about what he wears on the exterior hy will he only wear the most expensive Italian suits that money can buy? Why do you speak three European languages and 0% Arabic? You are extremely confused. Before 1964 Malcolm X was a kafr and taught kufr. DO NOT MULTI POST!!!!
@VoyageIslam My brother as stated i,m not fixated on a persons outer garments as a measure of a person. I look at the words spoken, manner in which they speak them, and if they correspond with the actions of the body because the physical body of a person manifests the nature of the spirit and whats in the mind and heart. This is a result of a spiritual being housed within a physical being. Please take more time to BUILD your message REFINE ur delivery so ur message has substance.
@othellosson My message is based on Qu'ran and hadith while your response in no more than New Age Oprah Winfrey-ish malarkey. I was studying the NOI before you were even born. Islam is based on Qu'ran and sunnah not Elijah Poole.
@voyaheislam wow the division of the fam is getting crazy. As taught by the lessons of the NOI the price for disunity is servitude and if it continues in ISLAM then all will be servants of other than ALLAH subjected to imperialism. NOI = revolutionary ISLAM on the highest level by overthrowing satan in the mind and quickening of the spirit to obey The Holy Quran. They don't need bombs, or guns because they have the word. and their word is bond 4 life hypocrites fall off. Farrakhan still on post
@voyageislam I speak 3 languages and yes they are european (english, German, spanish) taking on Arabic in the near future as i continue my university studies. As far as Muhammad Ali is concerned i just saw a vid of his interview w/Ian woolridge he states his conversion @02:05-02:10 as Islam and Muslim. (shown and proven) in 1969. then see malcolm x Muhammad Ali is my friend and brother. Malcolm speaks of ISLAM before 1964 see his speeches. NOI influence is crazy even in intellectuals.
@voyageislam Second about the quote you gave of the prophet signals that you are steeped in Arab culturalism not true ISLAM. Europeans and Arabs have the same thing going IMPERIALISM. The NOI sees both as unnecessary and address the need for change. this is why they are both coming hard at the position they take. I am in no way jealous of either because they both have lost the way. Actually i pity them both because they will get the reward due to them and i'm not the judge.
So if everyone else knows better why could they not do what the NOI did and continues to do. u now see others from all religious faiths adopting the NOI posture and biting the program fundamentals. which is flattering. and shows and proves something is not like they say it is.
@othellosson If Farrakhan is not pro-European colonialist why does he wear Italian suits? The Prophet Muhammad pbuh said he who imitates a people is one of them. You dress like Europeans you are too lazy to even attempt to learn a non-European language you appear jealous of them. Malcolm did not start talking about Islam until 1964 in Makkah and Ali only became Muslim in the 80's. NOI is a faltering group in America that thrives off the poor and gullible.
@VoyageIslam First and foremost As Salaam Alaikum Sir. I respectfully contend with ur statements in the best of manner to correct the errors therein because positive education corrects all errors. If the only thing you can say about The Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan Muhammad is that he wears Italian suits lets me know that ur measure of a man is based on pretense. It is not about what he has on his exterior but the interior is the true substance, his spirit, his heart.
inside america!! When Malcolm, and Muhammad ALI was talkn about ISLAM no one except the moorish science temple. But the NOI popularized it and made it acceptable and comfortable for all these people who running around with the attributes of ALLAH. they put in the ground work! they did the deen on that!! so everyone who supposed to know Islam better owe them a debt of grattitude. because they went to jail and suffered the persecution simply from professing the faith.
I think that is why everybody is talking about Farrakhan and the NOI!!! That tells me something in itself. i mean from all over the globe. if it wasnt for the NOI who is the vanguard organization when it comes to ISLAM in North America and it is the reason for the light of ISLAM to rise from the west. that truly is the work of ALLAH. that can never be erased from the pages of history. so stop hating! black men would no nothing of ISLAM if it was not for the NOI. they were talkn ISLAM first.
to teach my people in a way that is so magnificent to understand such an awesome way of life. I have been among arabs, indians, chinese,and other groups listening to the messages and they were beautiful. But none can touch Minister Louis Farrakhan theologically nor in the application of ISLAM breaking it down to the most minute compounds to where it is crystal clear that a blind man can see it!! I am happy that they are not considered part of the establishment because the purity may be lost.
I attempt express my faith without labels, stereotypes, or any divisive mechanisms because i have been instructed that the best of us are those who are most careful of our duties to ALLAH. A muslim is a muslim! u should know that brother i have never been the places u have but man i am just hearing and learning from what i hear and i knew it was right since first hearing in the 80s. Then my journey began and it has been beautiful. I thank ALLAH for his blessings that he has sent by sending 1
The NOI is right and exact!! period!!! there is no other way to cut that pie. especially if you would like to be a muslim and maintain ur identity because it does not sell out to arab culturalism, nationalism nor divisions whithin the family. when i travel to the east and present myself they are curious about my actions, and my approach to the faith especially in its understanding. They just dont know where it comes from but its foundation is the NOI. they just dont know and they agree
My brother if it is not about the arab way then why are you dressed and giving the appearance of the arabs of the desert? Why have you become other than ur self? respectfully; i have studied arab history and listened to Dr. Clarke discussing the interaction between arabs and black people and it is an imperialistic one to the current time. i know that there is an attack on the NOI. it is all in the Quran. I laugh because it is so simple to see undercutting, posturing, and jealousy.
@VoyageIslam Doesn't matter which version b'coz the Arabic words in the above order and sentence-structures translates in English as, "Person (Wajh)", The Guide (Al-Hahdi or Mahdi), and so forth! I've given you an answer and question of substance I expect the same. And know that, not every word in Al-Qur'an is Arabic; such as the names: Ibrahim or Nuh!!!! You appear to be proficient in Arabic reading and writing, right? Good day
@1Mussalman Wajh means face it does not mean person clocks have faces but they are not people. The concept of Mahdi is not illustrated in the Qu'ran even once. No I appear to be on a lvel of Arabic higher than yours but I am not proficient.
There the “Wajh” does not stand for Allah’s “Face”, but is used for the whole; because wajh is the noblest part. Similarly, the word, “wajhi” in Surah 3:20 signifies, “My person, or myself”. It means (1) Face, but it may also imply (2) Countenance or favour, as in Surah 92:20; (3) Honour, glory, presence as applied to Allah; as in Surah 2:115 and also in the above quoted verse. (4) Cause, sake, as in Surah 76:8. You need to seek a proficient Imam who knows and understand Arabic.
@VoyageIslam NEVER HEARD? I HAVE NEVER SEEN PROPHET MUHAMMAD IBN BUT I DONT DOUBT THE GREAT WORK OF ALLAH..I NEVER SAW MUSA EITHER BUT THERE IS EVIDENCE HE EXISTED FOR THE PROSPERITY OF ALL HUMAN FAMILIES OF THE PLANET EARTH. WE WERE KIDNAPPED BY CAUCASIANS AND BROUGHT TO THE NORTH OF AMERICA, WHERE OUR PROPHET AND MESSENGER AROSE...THE QURAN SAYS VIVIDLY THAT ALL PEOPLES HAVE A MESSENGER FROM WITHIN, AND WHO CAN PREPARE A MESSENGER OTHER THAN THE PROPHET OF ALLAH...THE ESSENCE OF LIFE ITSELF...
Big letters for a small statement. The Prophet for the Black man is the same as the prophet for the White, Hispanic, Asian and every other man and that prophet is Muhammad Ibn Abdullah according to Qu'ran 21:107 (Picktall) "We sent thee not save as a mercy for the peoples" If you believe the Qu'ran it is obvious no prophet came to every people except Muhammad pbuh he was the seal of the prophets (Qu'ran 33:40) and the best of examples (Qu'ran 33:21)
@VoyageIslam no point intended with the big cases letters, my cap lock was on..thats all...i must say that Black is not a race of people , for your information, every culture other than white has naturally dark complexion people. Black is the "dominant" and man is the "mind" look up their derivatives. In my eyes "Oriental" or Asians, Polynesian, Indians, Mexicans are all black.. Ghandi, Chavez, and Olmec just to name a few. God is One not many. Allah is the Black matter that exist n all worlds
Allah is not created of matter he describes himself in the Qu'ran as Al-Lateef or the one who can not be comprehended see my featured video fo more information and evidence.
@VoyageIslam u cannot define matter?? i can it can not be created nor destroy just change in form...thats Allah brother...my whole point is we are all brothers. and the NOI promote the sanctity of the original people in the hells of america..im not NOI but i respect them like i repsect every other man white or black. to each is his own
@GRIPTEAM Matter is material they stem from the same linguistic root all material is finite while Allah is infinite Allah pre-dates matter and all else. Yes we all all physically brothers in Adam regardless of color but Muslims are not spiritual brothers with followers of Elijah Poole. Satan is older than the Black man so in actuality he is the original and Elijah's message resembles his.
@GRIPTEAM the more proper phrase is energy can not be created nor destroyed it just changes forms. It is the energy which keeps the matter together when the energy leaves then matter falls into a state of decay. This is a spiritual level of teaching from the NOI we can discuss if you would like. have a nice day.
@VoyageIslam Allah is the Essence of Life and The Black man is the Supreme vehicle in which Allah moves physically about this world. This is why Allah has no parents because he existed before this physical body..it says in the Quran in the Cow (2nd Surah) that amongst every people is a Messenger, but everyone doesn't get the message, thats a fact. the Quran was revealed to Muhammad but it was written by the Original man.
@GRIPTEAM Africans had the message long before Elijah Poole are you saying Blacks in America re not African? We are not new people so there is no need for a new message. The Qu'ran was not written at all it was revealed the Arabic word used for it's revelation is Wahi.
@VoyageIslam thats correct Original Asiatic people in America are not African.. who named that continent Africa it surely was not my ancestors..they named it Kemet, Nubia, and Alkebelan..Alkebelan is where there slaves are from, quote on quote the jungles of Alkebelan, now called Congo Republic..this is a fact my brother..Fard never called himself God , the Original people did, thats also a fact. The Quran was revealed in Quarish Language thats why it was named the Quran it has mny dffrent names
@GRIPTEAM Qu'ran means to recite or follow it is rooted in the same three tri-literal root as iqra'a. Quraish is the name of a tribe of NATIONALIST like Elijah.
@VoyageIslam no point of arguing with you i dont know nor do i care i just dont like brothers hating on eachother, thats all. If you are a good person and you take care of your family i have no beef with you..good people exist everywhere and there are more that misinterpret the Quran than really understand it.. I was told if to men are fighting and they both say they come in the name of Allah, then one of them is doing devilishment..Peace to you brother, may good tidings bless you
@GRIPTEAM The Arabic word khatam denotes a finality the English word seal is weak hat is why we have to learn Arabic the original language the Qu'ran was revealed in. The NOI promotes a neo-colonialisim by insinuating the English language is as good as Qu'ranic Arabic.
@GRIPTEAM Most NOI claim they do not eat pork yet they shop at non-Muslim grocers where the food is laced with pork based chemicals. See my featured video for a detailed refutation of Elijah Pooles heaven on earth theory.
@VoyageIslam lets deal with facts, your opinion is yours alone but the Truth is for everybody..Just because we speak English doenst mean we dont get the full meaning of the Quran thats kinda bias. There have been weak translations made by devils but Abdullah Yusuf Ali and Maulana Muhammad Ali have excellent translations which is the NOI subscribed Book. There is no element in the universe in which my body doesnt consist of, you cant name 1 if you tried..fyi Elijah Muhammad was Fards last student
@GRIPTEAM I have no opinion every statement I made was made with Qu'ranic evidence. The NOI on the other hand is 100% the opinion of Elijah Poole not Islamic scriptures and that as you put it is a fact. Allah is not an element and when you die those elements in your body will go in the ground and rot just like any other race of human.
Prophet Muhammad said that there would be no prophet after him but he did say that the Mahdi would come after him. Why would the world need a Mahdi? Because the prophet Muhammad said that a generations after him will stray from the straight path. The Mahdi is God in person. God came in person to Abraham before he destroyed S&G. How are you going to transform African Americans speaking Arabic, that is foreign.
1. The Mahdi does not arrive until the last days. And there are many major signs prior to the arrival of the Mahdi that are unfulfilled.
2. W.D. Fard does not match the physical description of the Mahdi given in many hadith.
3. The prophet said the first THREE generations after him were the best and Elijah was not part of those generations. Read Ibn Abbas he was part of the first generation and his tafseer is the best.
@faard If you dislike Arabs remove the Libyan flag from your profile because Libya is an Arab country. BTW I bought those clothes in Africa; where do you shop Walmart?
85% of the population of the earth are common people who are deaf dumb and blind and have no knowledge of Masonic principles or symbolism. So when Messenger Elijah Muhammad came with a teaching, most people didn't and still don't understand his teaching. His teaching wasn't a teaching of orthodox practice, but rather principles of Egyptian science that cultivates God realization in Self.
As Moslem Shriners recognize Osiris, so does Elijah Muhammad also recognize this living principle.
The nation of Islam is a black nationalist group it's racist and its teachings are a mirror image of the Ku klux klan. Not to mention that it's teachings are completely opposite to the true Islam
Salaam alaikum brother you are right the nation of Islam are NOT Muslims. Islam says whether red yellow black or white we are all special in his sight. It's a religion of peace and brotherhood and the nation of Islam preaches against the white man we must stay away from these groups of heresy
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People think for a second, what interest would a Immaterial being have in Human being affairs? How could a Immaterial being be a "Protecting Friend" which means Wali in Arabic? Only Supreme Man can Manifest Such.
@TheScientific777 The man/God theory migrated to Elijah Poole via Christian philosophy no Muslim outside of the USA accepts it. The god-man philosophy is as American made as crack cocaine and just as deadly. Stop trolling and asking the same thing under different channels.
@VoyageIslam Well if the Messenger said this knowledge had been held secret for trillions of years that would be a good reason why the orthodox world doesn't know or accept it, and it is the Major factor of the Orthodox Muslim world's present Confusion!!!! The Questions are really Rhetorical and for those coming to your videos, where you speak ignorantly!!! Sir, I can do as I please. Just ignore it or Block me!!! As Long as you have these videos up, I'll be there hahaha!!
@TheScientific777 What is orthodox Islam? Give me an Islamic non-American source proving there is more than one Islam. I am not a Sir the term sir was coined by the British and was used during the crusades to attempt to wipe out Islam. The Knights Templer (who later became known as Free Masons) and Elijah Poole (who was a Freemason) can be called sir but not me. Address the facts in the video please. Thank you for contributing o my view count.
@VoyageIslam If you know you've talked to me before, Osdeus777 or BroCleotisX, how come you ask the same things? I've told you Orthodox Islam means Traditional Islam. We are New Islam!!! All you have to do is read the Messenger's books? You are really not trying to debate me on the usage of Sir, that's petty and off topic. Keyword WAS. We have all of Islam not 33 degrees, you do know that's what Masonary is? I have though? There is a Problem with Mr Farrakhan NOT Mr Elijah!!!
@TheScientific777 Where is the word "orthodox" Islam in any Islamic text? Do you really expect me to debate you on made up terms? I am glad you admit you are a "NEW ISLAM" and not the Islam practiced by the prophets.
"..Beware of newly invented matters, for every invented matter is an innovation and every innovation is a going astray, and every going astray is in Hell-fire." -Muhammad Ibn Abdullah- pbuh
@VoyageIslam I never said it was in any islamic text? Our Messenger calls you all orthodox and so will I. No, because this is really not up for debate. Of course we Practice the same Islam worship the same and have the same principles. The Prophets knew it was no Immaterial being giving them information, because that's illogical!!! Do you know what the Qu'ran means by Hell Fire?
@TheScientific777 If you statements are not based on Islamic text then they are not Islam. Your messenger was a false prophet allowed to thrive in order to counter the civil rights movement that J. Edgar Hoover saw as the real menace. No we do not practice the same Islam you just said you follow a "NEW ISLAM" which means you reject the prophets.If you have to back away from your words that proves you have not thought them out. The term hell fire is never in original Qu'ran.
@VoyageIslam Well they said the same thing about Muhammad Ibn Abdullah. The accused Muhammad of not being from God. I can use the Qu'ran to back up what I say of the Messenger because He had the interpretation to it and the bible. The 33rd degree Hoover knew it was the truth which is why he hurled those false accusations . I'm not backing away from anything, the Messenger is the fulfillment and as the Bible teaches Christ came to make all things NEW!! You mentioned "hell fire".
Shall we compare Muhammad pbuh to Elijah? Prophet Muhammad gave everything away to his followers, Elijah did nothing but talk and accept donations from his followers. The Prophet Muhammad pbuh died with no bread in his house, Elijah Poole died in an air conditioned mansion paid for by his followers. The Prophet Muhammad over came an enemy who were cannibalizing the dead and burying females alive, Elijah was afraid his enemy would catch him with a pocket knife.
@VoyageIslam Wow, our Messenger gave nothing? He went to Prison for us, he was on the run from his family for 7 years? He sacrificed alot. First, Muhammad of 1,400 was in a different time. The Qu'ran speaks about the Messenger spoken of in the Bible, which is speaking of Messenger Elijah Muhammad who was a man like Moses. Again we don't believe him to be dead. No, the Messenger forbid us to carry weapons because it would take trust away from Allah's Protection!!!!
@TheScientific777 To say Elijah Pooles teaching suggest he is still alive is like saying a liar is telling the truth because he says he is telling the truth. Black people die every day yet Allah can not die or decrease in power. Read Q 2:255
@VoyageIslam Well He hasn't lied yet, so I have faith enough to know that he'll fulfill what he teaches about bringing us and the Orthodox World a Book that'll lead us into the hereafter.After all look the Conditions of the Muslims in the East!!! Again Allah also means Original People according to Question number one of the 1 through 40 Lessons.So as a People we are Eternal!!! Again I don't just "read" the Qu'ran, I seek to UNDERSTAND it!!!
Malcolm X said "I stopped believing in Elijah Muhammad when I realized Elijah Muhammad didn't believe in Elijah Muhammad." I am still waiting for you to validate the use of the word orthodox...can you prove there is such a thing without using "The man's" dictionary? You base your religion on English encyclopedia's I base my religion on the Qu'ran and people ho knew Muhammad pbuh. The word for original people in Arabic would be Qawm ul fitra and Allah is never called that.
@VoyageIslam The differences between the NOI and Traditional Islam are very apparent, except that many traditional, sunni, or orthodox muslims seem to hate Elijah Muhammad and the NOI- especially black converts. It seems as if the black converts are embarrassed by him or want to show the rest of the muslim world that they are 'true' muslims by attacking him and thus distancing themselves from him. However you never see NOI members attacking traditional muslims just for having different beliefs.
@VoyageIslam We should leave them alone. They don't bother us. Anyone with intelligence can tell the difference. Didn't Elijah Muhammad acknowledge Muhammad (pbuh) as a prophet? That's ten times more than most will do. Didn't Elijah acknowledge the truth of the Qur'an? There was a man named Mu'awiyah ibn Abu Sufyan and his son Yazid, they professed all the proper beliefs and practices of true Islam yet they murdered Muhammad's grandchildren and took the reigns of Islam for 100 years. Think.
@sahih79 This video is just here fulfilling the obligation of Amir bil Maruf wa anil munkar. Anyone who does not wish to watch does not have to. I do not understand what you mean by "they do not bother us" are you saying it does not bother you when people say Allah was a man?
@VoyageIslam "The Saudi royals who follow your religion and same creed, buy immensely oplulent mansions, spend $billions of dollars of their countries wealth
openly, on champagne, luxury jets and prostitutes. To them you say nothing, yet you focus your negativity on Elijah Muhammad because he had bought a large home. Pitiful."
@freds974 Muslims do not follow the kingdom of Saudi Arabia we are ordered to follow the prophet Muhammad pbuh he is the best of examples Quran 33:21, the seal of the prophets Qu'ran 33:40. If you believe the Qu'ran Muhammad pbuh is the example not Saudi Arabia and certainly not Elijah Poole.
@sahih79 "This is not to mention the large palaces built by the Umayyad dynasty who claimed a hereditary rule over so-called Islam, or the Bahraini's opulent lifestyle or the excessive, lavish purshases of the princes of the UAE, yet you strain at little Elijah, who worked to give his people knowledge and love of self for 34 years. I'm sorry but you seem way off base."
@VoyageIslam Why did you quote the Hypocrite for? What do you mean "Validate" it, I told you who used it and why we call you guys that. Again, If The Supreme Being is NOT a Man how was the "Angel"able to communicate with Muhammad? Because I define a word with a text that would describe the word properly you insinuate that I base my religion off it? See how fallacious your logic is, bro? Allah just doesn't mean Original people. Why don't you research before you confront something?
@VoyageIslam Is Elijah part of the Ummah of the faithful? If your answer is no leave him alone. If your answer is yes, don't seek to slander his human character.
@freds974 Invset in a book called Riyadh us Saliheen and turn to the page on backbiting (pg 729) and you will see it is obligatory for Muslims to separate ourselves from Elijah Poole, Drew Ali, Malachi York, Rashid Khalifa, Ghulam Ahmad ect. I speak out on Elijah Poole because I know his philosophy best.
@VoyageIslam Oh, and I don't understand your logic, you say all the Umayyad caliphs and the Saudis are not in the Qur'an as examples to follow (who said they were anyway?), but neither are the men you mentioned by name.
@freds974 I am sorry I forgot that all Arabs are the same to you. Imam Nawawi was a scholar who collected the sayings of the FIRST generation that were with the prophet, they were THE BEST GENERATION neither Elijah Muhammad or the Ummayad dynasty are among that generation. The king of Saudi Arabia does not make claims to be a scholar and the Ummayad dynasty was never approved by Muhammad pbuh.
@VoyageIslam No problem on contributing to your view count, I'm just here to set the record straight, my friend!! Thanks for allowing me to voice my beliefs!!
@TheScientific777 You are not setting the record straight you are muddying the waters by talking bout everything and anything except the direct evidence in the video against Elijah Poole. I welcome you voicing your belief I want people to know that you people believe Elijah Poole is still alive, Blacks are Asians and God can die.
@VoyageIslam Okay I'll address what you feel is "Direct Evidence"? Well his Teachings suggest he is still alive, after all He taught there is No grave for Elijah, you will not find his grave. We're Asiatic because planet was known asia. The Individual can die but the Black people as a Whole(Allah) can never die!!!! This why you have to Listen to the Messenger for yourself. Again you have Mr Farrakhan and our Messenger Mixed up, I can explain?
@TheScientific777 To say Elijah Pooles teaching suggest he is still alive is like saying a liar is telling the truth because he says he is telling the truth. Black people die every day yet Allah can not die or decrease in power. Read Q 2:255
@VoyageIslam: U seem to show urself as a shallow or surface person. U can block me if u'd like, but logic and reasoning will prevail in Islam (mathmatics). I'll continue to make clear myself as well as the teachings from Master Fard Muhammad. Mahdi of the muslims, Messiah of the Christians! Is it necessary that U now must see my face? What difference would it make? I've already explained to U the difference b/t lower g and capitol g! If u'd just think over that metaphor in psalms, perhaps U'd C.
@Followingfist Why would I allow you to post 4 post to my every 1 post? You claim to be a God and you do not even have the power to summarize. And Islam is not mathematics if you can count to one you can be a Muslim regardless of your color. I have no use for your American born religion or your American born mongrel prophet Elijah. If you want to talk straight Qu'ran and Sunnah or actually address one of the issues in my video then at that point our conversation can begin.
@VoyageIslam:...my point across in a single post or I'm babbling? That's non-sense! Some understandings need explaining, so I do so (giving clear arguments). Learn Arabic if I'm God as I claim n' speak all languages? For fallen man, U should know that's a process of attainment. 76 trillion yrs ago, already Ancient? Correct, which is why I take the Ancient of days approach. N' that letter change (g or G)? Where?..and Ruh? Ok, and?
@Followingfist If you have so much explaining to do put it in a video and I will gladly respond but continued multi-posting will not be permitted.. The Bible never uses capital "G" when calling man a god so why did you change it?
@VoyageIslam: as far as God always been is true as far as consciousness goes. Consciousness goes as far back as 76 trillion yrs. B4 this "time" was not recorded.
@VoyageIslam:..with no bulb, that energy is there. However until a bulb is placed in there, we don't actually see it (energy). BTW..I use Quranic translations by Maulana Muhammad Ali, or Yusuf Ali. Now in terms of Quran 33:40 this is obviously referring to Prophet Muhammad, I agree. But, then U have Quran 5:19 or 5:21 in the Yusuf Ali translation. These two coupled with 33:40 tells of two diffrent Messengers
@VoyageIslam:...have revealed Quran to Prophet. The spirit of God spoken of in this capacity is a ...person, commissioned to do a job, or carry out an instruction. Spirit in of itself is Energy/Breath of life so-to-speak, a mannerism, inspiration if U will. What is done with, or in spirit, deals with the function of such a word or phrase. Spirits can only be seen by the encasing carrying it. Ex. U could have a lamp plugged in2 a wall with no bulb,yet we know although the switch is on...
@VoyageIslam: I know the Quran doesn't call man the child of GOD. (When referring to child)..what is produced is a smaller U of lesser degree, thus the phrase: ye R all Gods, children of the most High God (it's a truth in Bible.) Spirit of Allah is Jibril? = according to Ikrimah jibr means servant and IL meaning God. Quran 2:97..Gabriel/Jabril is also mentioned in as Ruh Al-Amin/faithful spirit Quran 26:193,194 and Ruh Al-Qudus/Holy Spirit Quran 16:102...In all these places, he is said to..
@VoyageIslam: ..Ilah (GOD) vs. (the 1 true GOD) Allah? wow...I'll expain it: The name of GOD in proto-semetic religious traditon consisted of 2 letters: " 'l with a period just on the right side of the letter and on the bottom of the letter". The proto-semetic divine name L (as I described above) is A-lah (some say it as U did/ilah), which eventuated in the Hebrew as Alah, (EL is also common in Hebrew with the same root letter). Then there's the Syriac: Alaha, and Arabic Allah. All rooted.
@VoyageIslam:..if Allah/God never appeared in any man...explain the GOD in U, explain: "ye are all Gods, children of the Most High God"? Where does Allah/God come from, explain to me his self creation? What is the spirit, of God? If the definition of the word "Raheem" is correct, then why wouldn't man have mercy from his creator or fellow bethren (this is conditional)? From my uunderstandings Ahmadiya are Muslims...they're in agreement with Prophet Muhammad.
@Foll The Qu'ran never calls man the child of Allah we are the children of Adam for Allah BEGETS NOT. Allah has always been he was not created he is the creator of time itself he is eternal and absolute. The spirit of Allah is Jibril. All the mercy that in the world represents 1% of Allah's mercy (Sahih hadith.) Part of Allah's mercy is the opportunity he is giving you right now to choose Islam over kufr.Ahmadiya's believe in a prophet after Muhammad which violates Qu'ran 33:40
@VoyageIslam:..thing for us to believe as a ppl is the true knowledge of GOD and Devil. Tell me something..."Who" is GOD? "What" is GOD and "Who is the Mystery GOD/Person U teach of?....... and if I just gave to U an English translation of both words, then enlighten me.
@Followingfist God is an English word that can be used for the Hindu Brahma, the Buddhist Buddha, Jesus of the Christians and even your W.D. Fraud can be called a god all of them false. In the QU'RANIC Arabic the word for god is ilah but the word foe the one true God who never appeared in any man is Allah.
@VoyageIslam: Mistanslated (by who????????) in every English Quran? Does this inlcude the one u've posted too? B'cuz the one u've posted clearly says our open enemy who is ths same as Jesus's enemy, has interpreted ur Quran. The soul diffrence b/t the two words.. is one is more intense than the other in terms of administering of mercy. Rahman for the disbelievers, Raheem for the believers. Both have the same root. Are U saying Elijah (didn't) point this out to us? ...what for? The hardest ....
Every time you create a subdivision, an opposition, or a new religion you make the Black race weaker. We become less and less significant. Those of you attacking the NOI are not about race, first of all. You are part of this color blind agenda the government has going on. You have no idea how significant your melanin is. You have no idea how significant it is to be Black. You've been lied to about yourself and to go so far as to attack those who are trying to educate you, that's suicide.
Satansoppressed 2 hours ago
@Satansoppressed Islam existed and was perfected (Qu'ran 5:3) before Elijah Poole or W.D. Ford so in reality it is they who are creating a division not the Muslims. I was at the MMM, I have seen Farrakhan in person countless times and have had a one on one discussion with Ben Chavis back in 1997. What are your credentials on the NOI?
VoyageIslam 1 hour ago
TRY TO ALWAYS REMEMBER ISLAM SLAVED UE "BLACKS/ HEBREWS FIRST" ISLAM SLAVE US FIRST :2013
mrskiddles1 5 days ago
@mrskiddles1 Your opinion is total rubbish with no historical backing being that Muhammad pbuh never invaded Africa and personally freed more than 1000 slaves of various colors. The first people o enslave Africans were the non-Muslim pagan Africans themselves. A few criminals like Yahweh Ben Yaweh and Malachi Z. York promote th non-sensical view of the original Hebrews being Black simply to placate guilible Black Americans and pilfer their women and money.
VoyageIslam 2 days ago
Thank you for exposing teh truth brother. May Allah guide these lost sheep known as "The Nation of Islam"...
HASHANIMATIONS 1 week ago
If there was no youtube,nobody would you who you are.I respect those who stay in the lion's den to fight and lose than those who run like cowards like you and then you condemn the one's who stayed and fought.SO WHAT you know how to speak and read Arabic and quote the Quran.If I were put in a cage by an oppressor,I respect the man who tried to free me even though he failed,than the man who did nothing like yourself & others like you.Your religion is not Islam,your religion is "to be seen of men".
wali81191 1 week ago
@wali81191 I was at the Million Man March in 1995 and the failed Million Family March in 2000 I also participated in the 2003 march on Washington that Farrakhan had 0% to do with. Elijah Poole did not free you the NOI has not progressed since his death. In 25 year the Prophet Muhammad pbuh over came a far greater enemy than the USA but in 70 years Elijah's false doctrine ha not pogressed Blacs as a whole even 0.1%. If my religion was to be seen of men I'd wear a fancy red bow-tie.
VoyageIslam 1 week ago
@VoyageIslam,all due respect,you are a silly person.you don't even know why Minister called for that March.If you know anything about the US government,before they invade a nation,they demonize the leader and/or people to justify why the had to destroy that nation.Minister said,which is a fact,the white government demonized black males not only in the eyes of America,but also in the eyes of the world.However,after the March,the world didn,t see black males as animals anymore.
wali81191 1 week ago
@wali81191 Actually you must not know why he called that march. Follow this link and you will see Farrakhan LIED to get the majority non-Muslim audience in D.C.
watch?v=lqAE6PxOdgA
I was at this rally in 1994 check the audience closely and you can actually see me. Where were you? After the MMM the majority of the U.S. prison population is still Black due to biased American drug laws that demonize Blacks and go easy on Whites with money.
VoyageIslam 1 week ago
I was at the MMM..Before the MMM,the Minister did a nationwide tour to speak to black men about "stopping the killing".Please,tell me this lie your'e talking about.Elite Whites use of slavery has shifted from chattel slavery to jim crow to imprisonment of black men.Imprison black people are virtally slaves.Again,who will stand up to speak out against this injustice.I have a question for you.Did Prophet Muhammad speak out against the leaders of his tribe for the injustices they were committing?
wali81191 1 week ago
You said things changed after the MMM but in actuality there are more Blacks in prison now than in 95 are you saying that is a positive thing or were you simply spreading propaganda and hoping I was stupid? Farrakhan promoted the MMM as a tidal wave of change and it turned out to be a gentle flood of the same old rhetoric. Yes, prophet Muhmmad pbuh spoke out against his tribes NATIONALISM (HQ 58:22) but Elijah Poole promoted his tribes NATIONALISM. Elijah Poole was the ANTI-MUHAMMAD.
VoyageIslam 1 week ago
@VoyageIslam You act like you don't know the government is corrupt. The Black prison population rose after 95' because more Blacks felt liberated and more Blacks were challenging the government.The same thing is going to happen again this year.Every time Farrakhan speaks more people go to jail and that's because the White dominated government has laws set up to criminalize people who have balls. Moors, Radicals, Separatist are all inclusive. Stop fulfilling the William Lynch letter.
Satansoppressed 2 hours ago
@Satansopp
The prison population rose because of biased drug laws. If you care to actually inform yourself on the topic search: "Prof. Michelle Alexander: The New Jim Crow."
VoyageIslam 1 hour ago
@wali81191 Beautiful!!!
MrAdaire1 17 hours ago
THIS GUY IS SO FAKE.
tomhikooo 2 weeks ago
The answer could not be properly explained in one post not adequately for proper clarification and truth to be known. there was more than one question. my Brother so i addressed all of them.
othellosson 2 weeks ago
@othellosson Blocked for multi-posting. Trolls beware!
VoyageIslam 2 weeks ago
as a matter of fact 5heeshi asked me a question and you came in on the conversation that is why I responded to you brother. I address u when u post ur evidence then i simply post my response.
othellosson 2 weeks ago
@othellosson He asked you ONE question look at how many replies you made. Reply post for post no more no less. THAT'S CALLED EQUAL TIME!
VoyageIslam 2 weeks ago
If you don't want me here brother just say so and i will leave. I am a peaceful individual but i do think it objective to let others put their proof up when u attempt to misrepresent the teachings.
othellosson 2 weeks ago
continue to troll me and you will be blocked if you have something to say about my evidence ageist Elijah Poole in the video feel free to address it.
VoyageIslam 2 weeks ago
@55heeshi The NOI is right and exact and it can be proven at no limit of time. Submission to ALLAH and his truth is the proper way. I hear and I obey! Salaam my brothers and sisters in keep the faith!
othellosson 2 weeks ago
@5heeshi The khalifas of the Holy Prophet include not only his successors who possessed worldly rule, such as Hazrat Abu Bakr and Umar, but also his spiritual successors who came to revive the true teachings of Islam in every age. The spiritual khalifas are also mentioned in another hadith of the Holy Prophet in the following words:"Surely Allah will raise up for the Muslims, at the head of every century, one who will revive their religion." (Abu Dawood) did u know this?
othellosson 2 weeks ago
@5heeshi "Allah has promised to those of you who believe, and do good, that He will surely make them khalifas in the earth as He made those before them to be khalifas " (24:55) By "those before them" are meant the Israelites. The Holy Prophet Muhammad said in explanation:
"The Israelites used to be led by prophets; whenever a prophet died, another came after him. After me there is no prophet, but there will be khalifas and there will be many." (Bukhari, book 60, ch. 50)
othellosson 2 weeks ago
@5heeshi1. cont. Whom he said was in the form of a well made man. Who and what was Jabril? He (Farrakhan) always bears witness that ALLAH is one, and That there is not God but ALLAH also that Muhammad is his messenger. Including his final and seal of the prophets. I also heard him say that non knows the the full interpretation except ALLAH himself. never heard him say that The Prophet made a mistake tell me what lecture and at what point. Please.
othellosson 2 weeks ago
First I greet you in peace my brother/sister which ever is most appropriate or As Salaam Alaikum! Thank you for your inquiry and i will do my best with the subjects. Insha Allah
I do not understand what you mean by Islamic but if you mean the deification of The Arabs, their traditions, or culture then the NOI definately is not that from what i c. The beliefs from what i heard Farrakhan say. 1. That the Holy Quran was revealed to The Prophet Muhammad Ibn Abdullah(PBUH) by Jabril.
othellosson 2 weeks ago
I invite brother/sister 5heeshi I am sorry to interrupt and I encourage you to comment in addition to these few words I must say which are: Islam is NOT Arab traditionalism, nationalim or culture it is in fact the followers of the NOI who follow the cultural ways of the pagan Quraish who were the epitome of Arab culture exemplified in there NATIONALISM and self exhortation. Elijah Poole taught the ways of the Quraish he taught a racially exclusive mentality while Islam does not.
VoyageIslam 2 weeks ago
@VoyageIslam LOL! My brother! so u have returned? I have not heard from u in a while, but always feel free to join in its all about dialogue to clear up misunderstandings. There is no nationalism in NOI Islam is supposed to be one just like The Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) established it. That's why it's called The Nation meaning one. If ALLAH is one then his community should b 1. Just like when the pilgrims congregate in MECCA. This is the highest expression of unity on the planet earth
othellosson 2 weeks ago
@VoyageIslam I like u brother! i also find this conversation so necessary to continue hurling truth at falsehood until we bash out its brains! I only hear the exultation of ALLAH and his message revealed by The Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) Racism was not introduced into Islam by the NOI. The Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) saw it creeping in thats why he stated there is no superiority of the Arab over the Non Arab. The best are those who are most careful to their duty to ALLAH. Peace!
othellosson 2 weeks ago
@VoyageIslam I am proud of you my brother for your growth however when one forsakes his foundation then he no stable stance. I love for my brothers what i love for myself if i have a bowl of bean soup my brother has half. If it there was no NOI u would have never moved out of your devilishment like Malcolm and many others. They are doing their job. ur proof.
othellosson 2 weeks ago
@VoyageIslam Salam brother, I know Islam is not linked to any culture or race. You can be a white pakistani muslim or a black american muslim and your considered equal. I am a muslim, I follow Quran, Sunnah and Hadith.
The NOI believe such bizarre stuff and they violate the shahadah with their belief in mr poole.
Yhe Shahadah is the 1st pillar of Islam. If anyone believes contrary to this I dont see how they could be considered muslims as it is in direct violation of the shahadah.
5heeshi 2 weeks ago
@othellosson Islamic ie the orthodox beliefs, 1 Allah, final messenger..
THe problem is all nation memebers hold contradictory beliefs, I have seen farah say that he is Elijah he is the messiah? I have seen mr poole say that he is a prophet?
Your saying the complete opposite. There is others saying that Allah and angels are equal and that prophet muhammad pbuh made mistakes. Chek it out /watch?v=0pfOrb3mdmo
We dont have a problem with leaders, just those claiming prophethood
5heeshi 2 weeks ago
Aslam alykum my brother much love may Allah bless you brother
HOLLOW8877 3 weeks ago
@HOLLOW8877 Wa likum as salam, tabarak Allah.
VoyageIslam 3 weeks ago
check mate!
othellosson 3 weeks ago
@othellosson
The nation is not islamic. I was just talking to a nation member and you beliefs are not islamic at all.
He said that you believe angels or elohims talked to Prophet Muhammad pbuh. That the Prophet Muhammad pbuh didnt understand what the angel was telling him and made mistake.
That the angels are equall to God as in they are gods themselves??
If you believe that God isnt one and Prophet Muhammad pbuh isnt the final messenger then your not muslim.
Care to explain?
5heeshi 2 weeks ago
@voyageislam I just hope it does not surprise u too much. It is racism in ISLAM that causes the Arabs to ignore the warnings if the people selected to raise the light of ISLAM in the west. They have deviated from the Prophet dividing up the family and arrogantly persist in that way. that is why the family is too weak to defend against the attacks of the imperialists. they will answer for the destruction of the caliphate! where does it say in the Quran that this is n Quran. D Prophet taught this
othellosson 3 weeks ago
@othellosson If there is racism in Islam why is your cult called the Nation of ISLAM?????? The Muslims are weak because we have become nationalist.
VoyageIslam 3 weeks ago
@voyageislam Now thats a little my brother keep working the refinement and it will get better. ok now so u have not been studying NOI for as 55 years then u have not studied it before i was born. As far as the Quran and hadith. see ISLAM in America interview with The Honorable Minister and that will help u to know what u missed. I applaud you on ur zeal to find the true message but I know u will find out THE NOI is right and exact.
othellosson 3 weeks ago
@othellosson I do not know what is sadder the fact that you are 55 and still have not outgrown Elijah Pooles Similac pedagogy or that you are a grown man with a cartoon for a profile pic.
VoyageIslam 3 weeks ago
@voyageislam peace my brother. May Allah bless u and keep u!
othellosson 3 weeks ago
@othellosson You judge Muslims for wearing the clothing of the prophet Muhammad pbuh but you do not want Calypso Louie Walcott to be judged for wearing Versace suits that he buys with your money? If it is not about what he wears on the exterior hy will he only wear the most expensive Italian suits that money can buy? Why do you speak three European languages and 0% Arabic? You are extremely confused. Before 1964 Malcolm X was a kafr and taught kufr. DO NOT MULTI POST!!!!
VoyageIslam 3 weeks ago
@VoyageIslam My brother as stated i,m not fixated on a persons outer garments as a measure of a person. I look at the words spoken, manner in which they speak them, and if they correspond with the actions of the body because the physical body of a person manifests the nature of the spirit and whats in the mind and heart. This is a result of a spiritual being housed within a physical being. Please take more time to BUILD your message REFINE ur delivery so ur message has substance.
othellosson 3 weeks ago
@othellosson My message is based on Qu'ran and hadith while your response in no more than New Age Oprah Winfrey-ish malarkey. I was studying the NOI before you were even born. Islam is based on Qu'ran and sunnah not Elijah Poole.
VoyageIslam 3 weeks ago
@voyaheislam wow the division of the fam is getting crazy. As taught by the lessons of the NOI the price for disunity is servitude and if it continues in ISLAM then all will be servants of other than ALLAH subjected to imperialism. NOI = revolutionary ISLAM on the highest level by overthrowing satan in the mind and quickening of the spirit to obey The Holy Quran. They don't need bombs, or guns because they have the word. and their word is bond 4 life hypocrites fall off. Farrakhan still on post
othellosson 3 weeks ago
@voyageislam I speak 3 languages and yes they are european (english, German, spanish) taking on Arabic in the near future as i continue my university studies. As far as Muhammad Ali is concerned i just saw a vid of his interview w/Ian woolridge he states his conversion @02:05-02:10 as Islam and Muslim. (shown and proven) in 1969. then see malcolm x Muhammad Ali is my friend and brother. Malcolm speaks of ISLAM before 1964 see his speeches. NOI influence is crazy even in intellectuals.
othellosson 3 weeks ago
@voyageislam Second about the quote you gave of the prophet signals that you are steeped in Arab culturalism not true ISLAM. Europeans and Arabs have the same thing going IMPERIALISM. The NOI sees both as unnecessary and address the need for change. this is why they are both coming hard at the position they take. I am in no way jealous of either because they both have lost the way. Actually i pity them both because they will get the reward due to them and i'm not the judge.
othellosson 3 weeks ago
so lets get off that fallacy!! people!!
othellosson 3 weeks ago
So if everyone else knows better why could they not do what the NOI did and continues to do. u now see others from all religious faiths adopting the NOI posture and biting the program fundamentals. which is flattering. and shows and proves something is not like they say it is.
othellosson 3 weeks ago
@othellosson If Farrakhan is not pro-European colonialist why does he wear Italian suits? The Prophet Muhammad pbuh said he who imitates a people is one of them. You dress like Europeans you are too lazy to even attempt to learn a non-European language you appear jealous of them. Malcolm did not start talking about Islam until 1964 in Makkah and Ali only became Muslim in the 80's. NOI is a faltering group in America that thrives off the poor and gullible.
VoyageIslam 3 weeks ago
@VoyageIslam First and foremost As Salaam Alaikum Sir. I respectfully contend with ur statements in the best of manner to correct the errors therein because positive education corrects all errors. If the only thing you can say about The Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan Muhammad is that he wears Italian suits lets me know that ur measure of a man is based on pretense. It is not about what he has on his exterior but the interior is the true substance, his spirit, his heart.
othellosson 3 weeks ago
inside america!! When Malcolm, and Muhammad ALI was talkn about ISLAM no one except the moorish science temple. But the NOI popularized it and made it acceptable and comfortable for all these people who running around with the attributes of ALLAH. they put in the ground work! they did the deen on that!! so everyone who supposed to know Islam better owe them a debt of grattitude. because they went to jail and suffered the persecution simply from professing the faith.
othellosson 3 weeks ago
I think that is why everybody is talking about Farrakhan and the NOI!!! That tells me something in itself. i mean from all over the globe. if it wasnt for the NOI who is the vanguard organization when it comes to ISLAM in North America and it is the reason for the light of ISLAM to rise from the west. that truly is the work of ALLAH. that can never be erased from the pages of history. so stop hating! black men would no nothing of ISLAM if it was not for the NOI. they were talkn ISLAM first.
othellosson 3 weeks ago
to teach my people in a way that is so magnificent to understand such an awesome way of life. I have been among arabs, indians, chinese,and other groups listening to the messages and they were beautiful. But none can touch Minister Louis Farrakhan theologically nor in the application of ISLAM breaking it down to the most minute compounds to where it is crystal clear that a blind man can see it!! I am happy that they are not considered part of the establishment because the purity may be lost.
othellosson 3 weeks ago
I attempt express my faith without labels, stereotypes, or any divisive mechanisms because i have been instructed that the best of us are those who are most careful of our duties to ALLAH. A muslim is a muslim! u should know that brother i have never been the places u have but man i am just hearing and learning from what i hear and i knew it was right since first hearing in the 80s. Then my journey began and it has been beautiful. I thank ALLAH for his blessings that he has sent by sending 1
othellosson 3 weeks ago
The NOI is right and exact!! period!!! there is no other way to cut that pie. especially if you would like to be a muslim and maintain ur identity because it does not sell out to arab culturalism, nationalism nor divisions whithin the family. when i travel to the east and present myself they are curious about my actions, and my approach to the faith especially in its understanding. They just dont know where it comes from but its foundation is the NOI. they just dont know and they agree
othellosson 3 weeks ago
My brother if it is not about the arab way then why are you dressed and giving the appearance of the arabs of the desert? Why have you become other than ur self? respectfully; i have studied arab history and listened to Dr. Clarke discussing the interaction between arabs and black people and it is an imperialistic one to the current time. i know that there is an attack on the NOI. it is all in the Quran. I laugh because it is so simple to see undercutting, posturing, and jealousy.
othellosson 3 weeks ago
Dear Bro. I like your humble spirit! However, the Holy Qur'an does state the Supreme Being is a Supreme Human Being and can be seen and is the-Mahdi:
“And there endures forever the Person of thy Lord, the Lord of Glory and Honour.” Al-Qur’an, Al-Rahman, 55:27.
"..And surely Allah is Al-Mahdi of those who believe, into a right path." Al-Hajj 22:54.
“They wait for naught but that Allah should come to them in the shadows of the clouds with Angels…” Holy Qur’an 2:210.
Pure Qur'anic Truths!!!!
1Mussalman 4 weeks ago
@1Mussalman What version of the Qu'ran are you reading? I looked up three translations and none of them say what you claim they say.
VoyageIslam 3 weeks ago
@VoyageIslam Doesn't matter which version b'coz the Arabic words in the above order and sentence-structures translates in English as, "Person (Wajh)", The Guide (Al-Hahdi or Mahdi), and so forth! I've given you an answer and question of substance I expect the same. And know that, not every word in Al-Qur'an is Arabic; such as the names: Ibrahim or Nuh!!!! You appear to be proficient in Arabic reading and writing, right? Good day
1Mussalman 3 weeks ago
@1Mussalman Wajh means face it does not mean person clocks have faces but they are not people. The concept of Mahdi is not illustrated in the Qu'ran even once. No I appear to be on a lvel of Arabic higher than yours but I am not proficient.
VoyageIslam 3 weeks ago
There the “Wajh” does not stand for Allah’s “Face”, but is used for the whole; because wajh is the noblest part. Similarly, the word, “wajhi” in Surah 3:20 signifies, “My person, or myself”. It means (1) Face, but it may also imply (2) Countenance or favour, as in Surah 92:20; (3) Honour, glory, presence as applied to Allah; as in Surah 2:115 and also in the above quoted verse. (4) Cause, sake, as in Surah 76:8. You need to seek a proficient Imam who knows and understand Arabic.
1Mussalman 3 weeks ago
@1Mussalman
5:27 (Y. Ali) But will abide (for ever) the FACE of thy Lord,- full of Majesty, Bounty and Honour.
YUSUF ALI (above) confirms my position.
Pickthall translates wajh as countenance
M. Asad translates it as "Self."
I ask you again what translation are you using?
VoyageIslam 3 weeks ago
@VoyageIslam By the way I live in a Muslim country I have access to hundreds of Imams all of whom have never heard of Elijah Muhammad.
VoyageIslam 3 weeks ago
@VoyageIslam NEVER HEARD? I HAVE NEVER SEEN PROPHET MUHAMMAD IBN BUT I DONT DOUBT THE GREAT WORK OF ALLAH..I NEVER SAW MUSA EITHER BUT THERE IS EVIDENCE HE EXISTED FOR THE PROSPERITY OF ALL HUMAN FAMILIES OF THE PLANET EARTH. WE WERE KIDNAPPED BY CAUCASIANS AND BROUGHT TO THE NORTH OF AMERICA, WHERE OUR PROPHET AND MESSENGER AROSE...THE QURAN SAYS VIVIDLY THAT ALL PEOPLES HAVE A MESSENGER FROM WITHIN, AND WHO CAN PREPARE A MESSENGER OTHER THAN THE PROPHET OF ALLAH...THE ESSENCE OF LIFE ITSELF...
GRIPTEAM 3 weeks ago
@GRIPTEAM
Big letters for a small statement. The Prophet for the Black man is the same as the prophet for the White, Hispanic, Asian and every other man and that prophet is Muhammad Ibn Abdullah according to Qu'ran 21:107 (Picktall) "We sent thee not save as a mercy for the peoples" If you believe the Qu'ran it is obvious no prophet came to every people except Muhammad pbuh he was the seal of the prophets (Qu'ran 33:40) and the best of examples (Qu'ran 33:21)
VoyageIslam 3 weeks ago
@VoyageIslam 21:107 (Y. Ali) We sent thee not, but as a Mercy for ALL creatures.
VoyageIslam 3 weeks ago
@VoyageIslam no point intended with the big cases letters, my cap lock was on..thats all...i must say that Black is not a race of people , for your information, every culture other than white has naturally dark complexion people. Black is the "dominant" and man is the "mind" look up their derivatives. In my eyes "Oriental" or Asians, Polynesian, Indians, Mexicans are all black.. Ghandi, Chavez, and Olmec just to name a few. God is One not many. Allah is the Black matter that exist n all worlds
GRIPTEAM 3 weeks ago
@GRIPTEAM
Allah is not created of matter he describes himself in the Qu'ran as Al-Lateef or the one who can not be comprehended see my featured video fo more information and evidence.
VoyageIslam 3 weeks ago
@VoyageIslam u cannot define matter?? i can it can not be created nor destroy just change in form...thats Allah brother...my whole point is we are all brothers. and the NOI promote the sanctity of the original people in the hells of america..im not NOI but i respect them like i repsect every other man white or black. to each is his own
GRIPTEAM 3 weeks ago
@GRIPTEAM Matter is material they stem from the same linguistic root all material is finite while Allah is infinite Allah pre-dates matter and all else. Yes we all all physically brothers in Adam regardless of color but Muslims are not spiritual brothers with followers of Elijah Poole. Satan is older than the Black man so in actuality he is the original and Elijah's message resembles his.
VoyageIslam 3 weeks ago
@GRIPTEAM the more proper phrase is energy can not be created nor destroyed it just changes forms. It is the energy which keeps the matter together when the energy leaves then matter falls into a state of decay. This is a spiritual level of teaching from the NOI we can discuss if you would like. have a nice day.
othellosson 2 weeks ago
@VoyageIslam Allah is the Essence of Life and The Black man is the Supreme vehicle in which Allah moves physically about this world. This is why Allah has no parents because he existed before this physical body..it says in the Quran in the Cow (2nd Surah) that amongst every people is a Messenger, but everyone doesn't get the message, thats a fact. the Quran was revealed to Muhammad but it was written by the Original man.
GRIPTEAM 3 weeks ago
@GRIPTEAM Africans had the message long before Elijah Poole are you saying Blacks in America re not African? We are not new people so there is no need for a new message. The Qu'ran was not written at all it was revealed the Arabic word used for it's revelation is Wahi.
VoyageIslam 3 weeks ago
@VoyageIslam thats correct Original Asiatic people in America are not African.. who named that continent Africa it surely was not my ancestors..they named it Kemet, Nubia, and Alkebelan..Alkebelan is where there slaves are from, quote on quote the jungles of Alkebelan, now called Congo Republic..this is a fact my brother..Fard never called himself God , the Original people did, thats also a fact. The Quran was revealed in Quarish Language thats why it was named the Quran it has mny dffrent names
GRIPTEAM 3 weeks ago
@GRIPTEAM Qu'ran means to recite or follow it is rooted in the same three tri-literal root as iqra'a. Quraish is the name of a tribe of NATIONALIST like Elijah.
VoyageIslam 3 weeks ago
@VoyageIslam no point of arguing with you i dont know nor do i care i just dont like brothers hating on eachother, thats all. If you are a good person and you take care of your family i have no beef with you..good people exist everywhere and there are more that misinterpret the Quran than really understand it.. I was told if to men are fighting and they both say they come in the name of Allah, then one of them is doing devilishment..Peace to you brother, may good tidings bless you
GRIPTEAM 3 weeks ago
@GRIPTEAM Wa laik.
VoyageIslam 3 weeks ago
@VoyageIslam a seal can be opened just as a blind deaf and dumb person can be saved
GRIPTEAM 3 weeks ago
@GRIPTEAM The Arabic word khatam denotes a finality the English word seal is weak hat is why we have to learn Arabic the original language the Qu'ran was revealed in. The NOI promotes a neo-colonialisim by insinuating the English language is as good as Qu'ranic Arabic.
VoyageIslam 3 weeks ago
@VoyageIslam Napoleon named Egypt and other devils that claimed our land renamed it, just like the Phillipines were named after King Philip II
GRIPTEAM 3 weeks ago
@GRIPTEAM Irrelevant hogwash and off topic.
VoyageIslam 3 weeks ago
@VoyageIslam by the way i dont eat swine or think swine bro, im at the seventh level of heaven.
GRIPTEAM 3 weeks ago
@GRIPTEAM Most NOI claim they do not eat pork yet they shop at non-Muslim grocers where the food is laced with pork based chemicals. See my featured video for a detailed refutation of Elijah Pooles heaven on earth theory.
VoyageIslam 3 weeks ago
@VoyageIslam lets deal with facts, your opinion is yours alone but the Truth is for everybody..Just because we speak English doenst mean we dont get the full meaning of the Quran thats kinda bias. There have been weak translations made by devils but Abdullah Yusuf Ali and Maulana Muhammad Ali have excellent translations which is the NOI subscribed Book. There is no element in the universe in which my body doesnt consist of, you cant name 1 if you tried..fyi Elijah Muhammad was Fards last student
GRIPTEAM 3 weeks ago
@GRIPTEAM I have no opinion every statement I made was made with Qu'ranic evidence. The NOI on the other hand is 100% the opinion of Elijah Poole not Islamic scriptures and that as you put it is a fact. Allah is not an element and when you die those elements in your body will go in the ground and rot just like any other race of human.
VoyageIslam 3 weeks ago
@VoyageIslam In 3:20 Allah never says myself. Any questions you have should be cleared up in my one hour featured video.
VoyageIslam 3 weeks ago
Prophet Muhammad said that there would be no prophet after him but he did say that the Mahdi would come after him. Why would the world need a Mahdi? Because the prophet Muhammad said that a generations after him will stray from the straight path. The Mahdi is God in person. God came in person to Abraham before he destroyed S&G. How are you going to transform African Americans speaking Arabic, that is foreign.
Jasmine17313 1 month ago
@Jasmine17313
1. The Mahdi does not arrive until the last days. And there are many major signs prior to the arrival of the Mahdi that are unfulfilled.
2. W.D. Fard does not match the physical description of the Mahdi given in many hadith.
3. The prophet said the first THREE generations after him were the best and Elijah was not part of those generations. Read Ibn Abbas he was part of the first generation and his tafseer is the best.
VoyageIslam 1 month ago
@VoyageIslam
4. How can Arabic be foreign if Elijah claimed the original Arabs were Black??????
VoyageIslam 1 month ago
we are human being, not ghost.
like i stated before the Arabs are invader of Afraka.
i was in the NOI for 30, and I have studied Islam from other school thought.
THEM set up businesses for the black communities.
push Afrakan unity with the our people here.
faard 1 month ago
@faard
Elijah Muhammad messenger of Allah or Satan?
watch?v=oSGDyvZiHhU
VIDEO FEATURED ON HOME PAGE
VoyageIslam 1 month ago
@VoyageIslam dumb ass question bro..
faard 1 month ago
i'm not into making my people into slaves for the Arabs.
the Arabs been here in the U.nited S.nakes of A.ssassins over 50 years.
they have not made strong black men,sense the T.H.E.M..
i'm not down for no religion for black people.
faard 1 month ago
@faard Muslims are all slaves o Allah who is not an Arab or a Black man.
VoyageIslam 1 month ago
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faard 1 month ago
@faard If you would have said Libya at least they are somewhat Muslim Marcus Garvey was a kafir.
VoyageIslam 1 month ago
your a black man wear arab garment.
learn ur history of the black man.
faard 1 month ago
@faard If you dislike Arabs remove the Libyan flag from your profile because Libya is an Arab country. BTW I bought those clothes in Africa; where do you shop Walmart?
VoyageIslam 1 month ago
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85% of the population of the earth are common people who are deaf dumb and blind and have no knowledge of Masonic principles or symbolism. So when Messenger Elijah Muhammad came with a teaching, most people didn't and still don't understand his teaching. His teaching wasn't a teaching of orthodox practice, but rather principles of Egyptian science that cultivates God realization in Self.
As Moslem Shriners recognize Osiris, so does Elijah Muhammad also recognize this living principle.
JusBeCuzz 1 month ago
The nation of Islam is a black nationalist group it's racist and its teachings are a mirror image of the Ku klux klan. Not to mention that it's teachings are completely opposite to the true Islam
omarherat 1 month ago
Salaam alaikum brother you are right the nation of Islam are NOT Muslims. Islam says whether red yellow black or white we are all special in his sight. It's a religion of peace and brotherhood and the nation of Islam preaches against the white man we must stay away from these groups of heresy
omarherat 1 month ago
@omarherat Wa laikum as salam, thanks for the comment insha'Allah spread the word about this dawah video and please do not forget to rate insha'Allh. Tabarak'Allah.
VoyageIslam 1 month ago
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tigersforchrist 1 month ago
People think for a second, what interest would a Immaterial being have in Human being affairs? How could a Immaterial being be a "Protecting Friend" which means Wali in Arabic? Only Supreme Man can Manifest Such.
TheScientific777 2 months ago
@TheScientific777 The man/God theory migrated to Elijah Poole via Christian philosophy no Muslim outside of the USA accepts it. The god-man philosophy is as American made as crack cocaine and just as deadly. Stop trolling and asking the same thing under different channels.
VoyageIslam 2 months ago
@VoyageIslam Well if the Messenger said this knowledge had been held secret for trillions of years that would be a good reason why the orthodox world doesn't know or accept it, and it is the Major factor of the Orthodox Muslim world's present Confusion!!!! The Questions are really Rhetorical and for those coming to your videos, where you speak ignorantly!!! Sir, I can do as I please. Just ignore it or Block me!!! As Long as you have these videos up, I'll be there hahaha!!
TheScientific777 2 months ago
@TheScientific777 What is orthodox Islam? Give me an Islamic non-American source proving there is more than one Islam. I am not a Sir the term sir was coined by the British and was used during the crusades to attempt to wipe out Islam. The Knights Templer (who later became known as Free Masons) and Elijah Poole (who was a Freemason) can be called sir but not me. Address the facts in the video please. Thank you for contributing o my view count.
VoyageIslam 2 months ago
@VoyageIslam If you know you've talked to me before, Osdeus777 or BroCleotisX, how come you ask the same things? I've told you Orthodox Islam means Traditional Islam. We are New Islam!!! All you have to do is read the Messenger's books? You are really not trying to debate me on the usage of Sir, that's petty and off topic. Keyword WAS. We have all of Islam not 33 degrees, you do know that's what Masonary is? I have though? There is a Problem with Mr Farrakhan NOT Mr Elijah!!!
TheScientific777 2 months ago
@TheScientific777 Where is the word "orthodox" Islam in any Islamic text? Do you really expect me to debate you on made up terms? I am glad you admit you are a "NEW ISLAM" and not the Islam practiced by the prophets.
"..Beware of newly invented matters, for every invented matter is an innovation and every innovation is a going astray, and every going astray is in Hell-fire." -Muhammad Ibn Abdullah- pbuh
Sahih (sound) Hadith.
VoyageIslam 2 months ago
@VoyageIslam I never said it was in any islamic text? Our Messenger calls you all orthodox and so will I. No, because this is really not up for debate. Of course we Practice the same Islam worship the same and have the same principles. The Prophets knew it was no Immaterial being giving them information, because that's illogical!!! Do you know what the Qu'ran means by Hell Fire?
TheScientific777 2 months ago
@TheScientific777 If you statements are not based on Islamic text then they are not Islam. Your messenger was a false prophet allowed to thrive in order to counter the civil rights movement that J. Edgar Hoover saw as the real menace. No we do not practice the same Islam you just said you follow a "NEW ISLAM" which means you reject the prophets.If you have to back away from your words that proves you have not thought them out. The term hell fire is never in original Qu'ran.
VoyageIslam 2 months ago
@VoyageIslam If your statements are not based on Islamic text then they are not Islam.
VoyageIslam 2 months ago
@VoyageIslam Well they said the same thing about Muhammad Ibn Abdullah. The accused Muhammad of not being from God. I can use the Qu'ran to back up what I say of the Messenger because He had the interpretation to it and the bible. The 33rd degree Hoover knew it was the truth which is why he hurled those false accusations . I'm not backing away from anything, the Messenger is the fulfillment and as the Bible teaches Christ came to make all things NEW!! You mentioned "hell fire".
TheScientific777 1 month ago
Shall we compare Muhammad pbuh to Elijah? Prophet Muhammad gave everything away to his followers, Elijah did nothing but talk and accept donations from his followers. The Prophet Muhammad pbuh died with no bread in his house, Elijah Poole died in an air conditioned mansion paid for by his followers. The Prophet Muhammad over came an enemy who were cannibalizing the dead and burying females alive, Elijah was afraid his enemy would catch him with a pocket knife.
VoyageIslam 1 month ago
@VoyageIslam Wow, our Messenger gave nothing? He went to Prison for us, he was on the run from his family for 7 years? He sacrificed alot. First, Muhammad of 1,400 was in a different time. The Qu'ran speaks about the Messenger spoken of in the Bible, which is speaking of Messenger Elijah Muhammad who was a man like Moses. Again we don't believe him to be dead. No, the Messenger forbid us to carry weapons because it would take trust away from Allah's Protection!!!!
TheScientific777 1 month ago
@TheScientific777 To say Elijah Pooles teaching suggest he is still alive is like saying a liar is telling the truth because he says he is telling the truth. Black people die every day yet Allah can not die or decrease in power. Read Q 2:255
VoyageIslam 2 months ago
@VoyageIslam Well He hasn't lied yet, so I have faith enough to know that he'll fulfill what he teaches about bringing us and the Orthodox World a Book that'll lead us into the hereafter.After all look the Conditions of the Muslims in the East!!! Again Allah also means Original People according to Question number one of the 1 through 40 Lessons.So as a People we are Eternal!!! Again I don't just "read" the Qu'ran, I seek to UNDERSTAND it!!!
TheScientific777 1 month ago
Malcolm X said "I stopped believing in Elijah Muhammad when I realized Elijah Muhammad didn't believe in Elijah Muhammad." I am still waiting for you to validate the use of the word orthodox...can you prove there is such a thing without using "The man's" dictionary? You base your religion on English encyclopedia's I base my religion on the Qu'ran and people ho knew Muhammad pbuh. The word for original people in Arabic would be Qawm ul fitra and Allah is never called that.
VoyageIslam 1 month ago
@VoyageIslam The differences between the NOI and Traditional Islam are very apparent, except that many traditional, sunni, or orthodox muslims seem to hate Elijah Muhammad and the NOI- especially black converts. It seems as if the black converts are embarrassed by him or want to show the rest of the muslim world that they are 'true' muslims by attacking him and thus distancing themselves from him. However you never see NOI members attacking traditional muslims just for having different beliefs.
sahih79 1 month ago
@VoyageIslam We should leave them alone. They don't bother us. Anyone with intelligence can tell the difference. Didn't Elijah Muhammad acknowledge Muhammad (pbuh) as a prophet? That's ten times more than most will do. Didn't Elijah acknowledge the truth of the Qur'an? There was a man named Mu'awiyah ibn Abu Sufyan and his son Yazid, they professed all the proper beliefs and practices of true Islam yet they murdered Muhammad's grandchildren and took the reigns of Islam for 100 years. Think.
sahih79 1 month ago
@sahih79 This video is just here fulfilling the obligation of Amir bil Maruf wa anil munkar. Anyone who does not wish to watch does not have to. I do not understand what you mean by "they do not bother us" are you saying it does not bother you when people say Allah was a man?
VoyageIslam 1 month ago
@VoyageIslam "The Saudi royals who follow your religion and same creed, buy immensely oplulent mansions, spend $billions of dollars of their countries wealth
openly, on champagne, luxury jets and prostitutes. To them you say nothing, yet you focus your negativity on Elijah Muhammad because he had bought a large home. Pitiful."
freds974 1 month ago
@freds974 Muslims do not follow the kingdom of Saudi Arabia we are ordered to follow the prophet Muhammad pbuh he is the best of examples Quran 33:21, the seal of the prophets Qu'ran 33:40. If you believe the Qu'ran Muhammad pbuh is the example not Saudi Arabia and certainly not Elijah Poole.
VoyageIslam 1 month ago
@sahih79 "This is not to mention the large palaces built by the Umayyad dynasty who claimed a hereditary rule over so-called Islam, or the Bahraini's opulent lifestyle or the excessive, lavish purshases of the princes of the UAE, yet you strain at little Elijah, who worked to give his people knowledge and love of self for 34 years. I'm sorry but you seem way off base."
freds974 1 month ago
@freds974 The Ummayyad empire is never mentioned in the Qu'ran as an example to follow.
VoyageIslam 1 month ago
@VoyageIslam Why did you quote the Hypocrite for? What do you mean "Validate" it, I told you who used it and why we call you guys that. Again, If The Supreme Being is NOT a Man how was the "Angel"able to communicate with Muhammad? Because I define a word with a text that would describe the word properly you insinuate that I base my religion off it? See how fallacious your logic is, bro? Allah just doesn't mean Original people. Why don't you research before you confront something?
TheScientific777 1 month ago
@VoyageIslam Is Elijah part of the Ummah of the faithful? If your answer is no leave him alone. If your answer is yes, don't seek to slander his human character.
freds974 1 month ago
@freds974 Invset in a book called Riyadh us Saliheen and turn to the page on backbiting (pg 729) and you will see it is obligatory for Muslims to separate ourselves from Elijah Poole, Drew Ali, Malachi York, Rashid Khalifa, Ghulam Ahmad ect. I speak out on Elijah Poole because I know his philosophy best.
VoyageIslam 1 month ago
@VoyageIslam I'm familiar with that book. I can access it online. However, on line there are no page numbers. Which chapter, description and number?
freds974 1 month ago
@freds974 The chapter number is 256, the chapters title is "When backbiting is permissible"
VoyageIslam 1 month ago
@VoyageIslam Oh, and I don't understand your logic, you say all the Umayyad caliphs and the Saudis are not in the Qur'an as examples to follow (who said they were anyway?), but neither are the men you mentioned by name.
freds974 1 month ago
@freds974 I am sorry I forgot that all Arabs are the same to you. Imam Nawawi was a scholar who collected the sayings of the FIRST generation that were with the prophet, they were THE BEST GENERATION neither Elijah Muhammad or the Ummayad dynasty are among that generation. The king of Saudi Arabia does not make claims to be a scholar and the Ummayad dynasty was never approved by Muhammad pbuh.
VoyageIslam 1 month ago
@VoyageIslam Peace be upon you and Allah's mercy.
freds974 1 month ago
@VoyageIslam I love that book, Riyad - us saliheen. That's about all the hadith you need.
freds974 1 month ago
@freds974 Peace be to all who are true seekers of guidance my man. I never met a Fred I didn't like. :)
VoyageIslam 1 month ago
@VoyageIslam No problem on contributing to your view count, I'm just here to set the record straight, my friend!! Thanks for allowing me to voice my beliefs!!
TheScientific777 2 months ago
@TheScientific777 You are not setting the record straight you are muddying the waters by talking bout everything and anything except the direct evidence in the video against Elijah Poole. I welcome you voicing your belief I want people to know that you people believe Elijah Poole is still alive, Blacks are Asians and God can die.
VoyageIslam 2 months ago
@VoyageIslam Okay I'll address what you feel is "Direct Evidence"? Well his Teachings suggest he is still alive, after all He taught there is No grave for Elijah, you will not find his grave. We're Asiatic because planet was known asia. The Individual can die but the Black people as a Whole(Allah) can never die!!!! This why you have to Listen to the Messenger for yourself. Again you have Mr Farrakhan and our Messenger Mixed up, I can explain?
TheScientific777 2 months ago
@TheScientific777 To say Elijah Pooles teaching suggest he is still alive is like saying a liar is telling the truth because he says he is telling the truth. Black people die every day yet Allah can not die or decrease in power. Read Q 2:255
VoyageIslam 2 months ago
@VoyageIslam: U seem to show urself as a shallow or surface person. U can block me if u'd like, but logic and reasoning will prevail in Islam (mathmatics). I'll continue to make clear myself as well as the teachings from Master Fard Muhammad. Mahdi of the muslims, Messiah of the Christians! Is it necessary that U now must see my face? What difference would it make? I've already explained to U the difference b/t lower g and capitol g! If u'd just think over that metaphor in psalms, perhaps U'd C.
Followingfist 2 months ago
@Followingfist Why would I allow you to post 4 post to my every 1 post? You claim to be a God and you do not even have the power to summarize. And Islam is not mathematics if you can count to one you can be a Muslim regardless of your color. I have no use for your American born religion or your American born mongrel prophet Elijah. If you want to talk straight Qu'ran and Sunnah or actually address one of the issues in my video then at that point our conversation can begin.
VoyageIslam 2 months ago
@VoyageIslam:...my point across in a single post or I'm babbling? That's non-sense! Some understandings need explaining, so I do so (giving clear arguments). Learn Arabic if I'm God as I claim n' speak all languages? For fallen man, U should know that's a process of attainment. 76 trillion yrs ago, already Ancient? Correct, which is why I take the Ancient of days approach. N' that letter change (g or G)? Where?..and Ruh? Ok, and?
Followingfist 2 months ago
@Followingfist If you have so much explaining to do put it in a video and I will gladly respond but continued multi-posting will not be permitted.. The Bible never uses capital "G" when calling man a god so why did you change it?
VoyageIslam 2 months ago
@VoyageIslam: as far as God always been is true as far as consciousness goes. Consciousness goes as far back as 76 trillion yrs. B4 this "time" was not recorded.
Followingfist 2 months ago
@Followingfist 76 trillion years ago Allah was already ancient he has no beginning and cotrary to Elijah Pooles lies Allah has no end.
VoyageIslam 2 months ago
@VoyageIslam:..with no bulb, that energy is there. However until a bulb is placed in there, we don't actually see it (energy). BTW..I use Quranic translations by Maulana Muhammad Ali, or Yusuf Ali. Now in terms of Quran 33:40 this is obviously referring to Prophet Muhammad, I agree. But, then U have Quran 5:19 or 5:21 in the Yusuf Ali translation. These two coupled with 33:40 tells of two diffrent Messengers
Followingfist 2 months ago
@Followingfist Why don't you learn Arabic if you are God as you claim you should bne able to speak all languages.
VoyageIslam 2 months ago
@VoyageIslam:...have revealed Quran to Prophet. The spirit of God spoken of in this capacity is a ...person, commissioned to do a job, or carry out an instruction. Spirit in of itself is Energy/Breath of life so-to-speak, a mannerism, inspiration if U will. What is done with, or in spirit, deals with the function of such a word or phrase. Spirits can only be seen by the encasing carrying it. Ex. U could have a lamp plugged in2 a wall with no bulb,yet we know although the switch is on...
Followingfist 2 months ago
@Followingfist Cease multi posting if you can not get your point across in a single post that means your babbling.
VoyageIslam 2 months ago
@VoyageIslam: I know the Quran doesn't call man the child of GOD. (When referring to child)..what is produced is a smaller U of lesser degree, thus the phrase: ye R all Gods, children of the most High God (it's a truth in Bible.) Spirit of Allah is Jibril? = according to Ikrimah jibr means servant and IL meaning God. Quran 2:97..Gabriel/Jabril is also mentioned in as Ruh Al-Amin/faithful spirit Quran 26:193,194 and Ruh Al-Qudus/Holy Spirit Quran 16:102...In all these places, he is said to..
Followingfist 2 months ago
@Followingfist Why did you change the lower case "g" in the Bible to a capital "G"? The Arabic word Ruh means spirit :!
VoyageIslam 2 months ago
@VoyageIslam: ..Ilah (GOD) vs. (the 1 true GOD) Allah? wow...I'll expain it: The name of GOD in proto-semetic religious traditon consisted of 2 letters: " 'l with a period just on the right side of the letter and on the bottom of the letter". The proto-semetic divine name L (as I described above) is A-lah (some say it as U did/ilah), which eventuated in the Hebrew as Alah, (EL is also common in Hebrew with the same root letter). Then there's the Syriac: Alaha, and Arabic Allah. All rooted.
Followingfist 2 months ago
@Followingfist
Mistake 1. There are no periods in Arabic.
Mistake 2. The Prophet Muhammad pbuh was not revealed the Qu'ran in Hebrew or Syriac.
VoyageIslam 2 months ago
@VoyageIslam:..if Allah/God never appeared in any man...explain the GOD in U, explain: "ye are all Gods, children of the Most High God"? Where does Allah/God come from, explain to me his self creation? What is the spirit, of God? If the definition of the word "Raheem" is correct, then why wouldn't man have mercy from his creator or fellow bethren (this is conditional)? From my uunderstandings Ahmadiya are Muslims...they're in agreement with Prophet Muhammad.
Followingfist 2 months ago
@Foll The Qu'ran never calls man the child of Allah we are the children of Adam for Allah BEGETS NOT. Allah has always been he was not created he is the creator of time itself he is eternal and absolute. The spirit of Allah is Jibril. All the mercy that in the world represents 1% of Allah's mercy (Sahih hadith.) Part of Allah's mercy is the opportunity he is giving you right now to choose Islam over kufr.Ahmadiya's believe in a prophet after Muhammad which violates Qu'ran 33:40
VoyageIslam 2 months ago
@VoyageIslam:..thing for us to believe as a ppl is the true knowledge of GOD and Devil. Tell me something..."Who" is GOD? "What" is GOD and "Who is the Mystery GOD/Person U teach of?....... and if I just gave to U an English translation of both words, then enlighten me.
Followingfist 2 months ago
@Followingfist God is an English word that can be used for the Hindu Brahma, the Buddhist Buddha, Jesus of the Christians and even your W.D. Fraud can be called a god all of them false. In the QU'RANIC Arabic the word for god is ilah but the word foe the one true God who never appeared in any man is Allah.
VoyageIslam 2 months ago
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Followingfist 2 months ago
@VoyageIslam: Mistanslated (by who????????) in every English Quran? Does this inlcude the one u've posted too? B'cuz the one u've posted clearly says our open enemy who is ths same as Jesus's enemy, has interpreted ur Quran. The soul diffrence b/t the two words.. is one is more intense than the other in terms of administering of mercy. Rahman for the disbelievers, Raheem for the believers. Both have the same root. Are U saying Elijah (didn't) point this out to us? ...what for? The hardest ....
Followingfist 2 months ago