Capitalism is dead. That's all. The book is natural reaction, something that HAS to happen. The yankee in the screen saying nonesenses like "western (world) way of life" (maybe he thinks we're in the 50's) is just another way to make us lose our time and make we get confused of our duty: Change the world to save the planet.
Saying "Capitalism is dead" only proves you haven't the slightest clue as to what capitalism is. I'd assume you've believed the Marxist theories that reject out of hand what has been explicitly demonstrated, in Hong Kong. If you care to read the dissent to your genocidal failure of a philosophy, you can google "Asderathoslchaimclassicalliberalism Capitalism" [yes run together like that], and click the first result. In the mean time, do try not to kill another 100 million people.
Only a European would consider the age of an institution as evidence of its ideas' validity. This is the essence of ad hominem.
I've spoken to many Socialists, almost none of which accept my definition of Socialism, why then should a Capitalist accept a Socialist's definition of Capitalism? The term was popularized by Marx but has come to be popularly synonymous with a Free Market System, necessitating Govt's restriction from interfering in voluntary market conditions but in their maintenance.
no real change has ever occurred without violence. coming from a republican who's party went to war to get rid of communism, who's party equipped the Taliban with weapons is now asking for peaceful revolution?
1tly Glenn Beck is not a Republican. 2ndly You do realize the Democrats started the Civil War right? [among others] Now stop the Party BS. The only thing worse than collective condemnation lacking shared relevant criteria, is collective condemnation by irrelevant criteria projected upon one not even of that group!
Idiots like Beck don't realize that the "liberals" he despises (and confuses with radicals) have been keeping capitalism alive since the Great Depression with welfare of one form or another.
Were the masses forced to taste the "leveling hand of the market" w/o relief (as we are now approaching, as even America's line of credit is expired), they would rise up and remove parasites like him and his heroes.
@OuTofJoY In a social contract 'democratic republic' style govt., There is a 'progressive model' which effected the death of the roman empire. Govt.'s initial purpose being to secure individual "Negative Rights" against the govt. [as well as guard against fraud theft & coercion from at home & abroad], The next 'role' of govt. is to grant material rights, such as FDR's "New Bill of Rights" Funded of course by taxes, these are "Positive Rights" & they are the definition of socialism.
Capitalism is only a free market system. When govt. "Pics winners & losers" [individually or corporate] or just plain effects the market significantly [outside its role in 'negative rights'] that is socialism. That was FDR's New Deal [which was just an endless band of experimentations with centrally economic planning].
Welfare & Govt. Bureaucracy are the new "Bread & Circuses".
My point being welfare is socialism IE cannot 'protect capitalism' The illusory need of it was caused by the Govt!
Since you hate capitalists so much, maybe you should, i dunno, actually know what capitalism IS? To a Capitalist!? Understanding opposition is only good honest to goodness debate prep. So in want of not posting 5 more sets of 500 characters I posted a link to yer profile.
[In my initial response I didn't realize you meant the Marxist definition of "Capitalism" IE any who "Capitalize" on a situation, regardless]
I think you're confusing me with another person you were debating with. I've posted once in this thread. The only point you address that I made was "progressive schemes" as life-support for capitalism.
"Capitalism" is more than the "free market." It includes assumptions about "property rights" (acquisition and maintenance) which other free market systems (ex. "Agorism"/Mutualism) reject. This is why capitalism is inherently authoritarian/statist, and ALWAYS "regulates."
My responses were all directed at you, in response to your claiming Beck is an idiot for 'hating' those "liberals" whom you purport have maintained "Capitalism". Thus defining capitalism outside of the Marxist pejorative, It is extraordinarily foolish to claim that socialists & their socialist systems such as welfare, do anything for Capitalism.
The transformation of the U.S into a "big spender" was inevitable given its origins in - and continued reliance upon - authority, conquest and "natural advantage". The "welfare state" aspects of this (aside from the larger cost of industrial/corporate welfare) is "life support" insofar as the American proletariat would have revolted LONG AGO w/o them.
(Btw - there is no link posted to my channel profile last time I checked; hence the confusion over who you're talking to.)
@OuTofJoY It sure is obvious that a nation founded on the principle of "No Taxation Without Representation", individual sovereignty; a nation born out of a revolution caused by economic & social tyrannies such as the stamp act, would turn out Socialist! Pftsh.
The universal cause for revolution is hunger. In this you have your order's out of wack. Govt. interferes, creating a problem, then Govt. proposes a solution, funded on the back of the tax payer.
@OuTofJoY If I was a historian [which I'm not] I'd challenge you to come up with ONE govt. born, taxpayer funded 'solution' that wasn't either fake, or made for a problem born of the govt. in the first place.
@OuTofJoY I posted the link to your frontpage, it showed up when I did it. I'll send it via message then.
There's a default setting that may require comment approval for front pages, if you only went straight to it not checking messages; of course YT has inconsistent glitches about links
As for "capitalism", definitions vary; I'll grant this. Same goes for "socialism."
By "capitalism" I refer to A market system (as it is not the only one) with strong notions of title (exclusive right to dispose of property.) The "right" to theoretically endless accumulation REQUIRES a monopolization of violence (the state) as humans are generally disinclined to recognize property beyond ability of utilization/possession.
@OuTofJoY I've yet to here a rebuttal to the economic/governance perspective [that is the dichotomy of; negative vs positive rights] for capitalism's definition.
"Violence" is a prejudicial word, incorrect in its application to the LAW's Citizen Representative's exclusive right to "Force" OF LAW, authority, within the nation.
"Endless Accumulation" is an illusory problem, which demonizes in its supposition the very incentives to cooperative creation of possible resources for sustenance.
@OuTofJoY Rebuttal is merely descriptively expressed disagreement; presumed to be held. You claim my view to be "unexamined", which btw, is ad hominem. But the concept is built from "State of Nature" suppositions. If the structure of your perspective is rooted in the "monopoly on violence" dictum, [in dichotomy to my "Negative Rights" position,] then you might say as much.
It is not that I don't "appreciate the implications", its that I reject the language & the reasoning.
Profit is gain & Gain Alone! [you might argue that profit motivates cold war perdition, but not that it IS those things], it is BORN of cooperation, or violence, or trickery, or fraud, or production, or luck. The Self Interest/Profit MOTIVE, is guided by the Invisible hand to benefit society. [seriously Adam Smith's excerpts are on it aren't that long].
Society is born of cooperation driven by self interest, in a state of nature trust is born of necessity!
The NEED for the U.S to implement social-welfare measures has to do with the inherently anti-libertarian character of capitalism (both in terms of its human costs and what it does to the ability of the state to govern with any degree of impartiality.) Further, "the new deal" and similar measures were a boon for many industries - both for direct benefit (subsidies) AND by mollifying the masses with something less than actual socialism (worker control of production.)
@OuTofJoY Claiming a need does not demonstrate a need. The relation of a praise-able term as purportedly anti-pejorative describes nothing but opinion without basis. Further vagaries say nothing.
WWII was a "Boon" to many industries. The New Deal shuffled money around creating bureaucracies, which mostly wasted wealth. One of its Cheif Architects denounced it as a failure "We have tried [8 years of] spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work."
@OuTofJoY I would assume [from what you've said so far] that by Democracy you mean 'Democracy', except "Democracy putting authority in the hands of any majority allows for the abuse of the minority, without rule of law governing the actions of that majority, which although Republic commonly refers to "Representative Democracy" the Etymology of "Republic" refers to Rule of Law over people [equally]. Embodied in the quote " A Govt. of Law not Men". perhaps you addressed this in later replies.
@OuTofJoY The only reason the History books are Pro-FDR is because it was his own men writing them. The Govt. action of slaughtering tons of baby pigs, had the wanted effect of increasing the price of pork; & thus such a plan can be said [by fools] to be a "Boon to Industry". One socialism is minimum wage, in the New Deal Era we had MINIMUM PRICE, look up the NRA, Blue Eagle.
Worker Control IE Communism as literally IMPOSSIBLE as black markets are fostered & rulers chosen to then benefit.
...AND once again - I KNOW the welfare state has failed. There is no "socializing" capitalism. It has only prolongued the agony.
Where exactly do "black markets" figure into a cashless, stateless community (and community of communities) where all property, production and distribution is held in common? Or even more to the point, how is this MORE of a problem for such a community than in a monetary market economy that gives the every means and motive for such problems?
There is no method of enforcing Commonality of property but Force of Authority, & Authority of Force. [btw Subjugation may be achieved by Force without Violence]
Self interest being in the nature of man, unless there is a restriction of means, by famine, small numbers, or isolation etc, as with the admired tribes that hold such a system, individuals will dissent, 'hoarding' will insue, & then trade.
There is a great book that covers 1800's Communes "A Conservative History of The American Left"
@OuTofJoY The real problem with your "Stateless Communitarian-ism" is that it requires the sacrifice of self interest, by authority or volition. If authority, it is no longer "Stateless", if volition, People leave.
Now, there are tribes that practice, I assume you would agree, some like version of your system; they are few & sparse.
Black markets aren't really the problem with your system, population of it is. Very few with another option wants it. Go start a commune!
As for Black Markets in a "monetary System" the common thread [amongst the many possible forms] that can be stated is that the nature of the laws making Substances Illegal, the level of taxation upon goods & services, border control & citizenship policy [or lack thereof], are what contribute to Black Markets. These issues are VERY SEPARATE from the "Monetary System" itself. These Civil policies, which includes those of economic interference, are all that foster black markets.
Capitalism necessitating Property Rights was implied in the reply mentioning protection against "Theft" under "Negative Rights-Govt." & the subsequent mention of Positive Rights being in effect socialism. Of course the link I posted made it all the more clear.
Without a system of voluntary market conditions the only alternative is involuntary, which is "Authoritarian".
By your logic any governance is "Statist". Anarchy's direct result is tribal fiefdom, outside of nonhuman culture.
Horizontal, participatory, directly democratic governance would be "stateless" in the sense that "the state" is being used. Everything else is oligarchy of one sort or another (even if not "autocratic.")
Such voluntary assembly (with consensus democracy, as disassociation is always possible) will ALWAYS gravitate toward actual "socialism" (worker self management) and communism (distribution according to need and availability) as this represents the balance of common self-interest.
Oligarchy's pejorative-ness inherently necessitates authoritarianism. The "Power" necessary to describe "Oligarchy" [as an evil] must originate with the governors, for if they originate with, even if by defused authority, THE PEOPLE, it is a representative power. You must reject "Representation" itself to deny this; Direct democracy subjugates the minority to any majority utterly. To reject Representation, is to reject the supremacy of Law over all men, which DEMANDS Tyranny/Slavery.
Humans have neurological characteristics which reward altruistic behavior (it is pleasure giving.) This evolved capacity helps encourage the supremely beneficial strategy of unmercenary "mutual aid" - the ability to help one another outside of exacting models of compensation.
Our ability to act upon this is greatly retarded by a lack of organization and clarity, so as to be able to rely that our altruism will be reciprocated. Anarchist-communism addresses that hurdle.
@OuTofJoY The human character is formed by combination of "Nature" & "Nurture".
Hitler & Gandhi, both human.
The purpose of the "Democratic-Republican" form of Govt. chosen by the Founders, was [besides being inspired by a vast education on "Democracy"; denounced by them all], to vest indirect representation in a culpable individual, selected by a "Religious And Moral People".
Mob rule felled The Roman Empire with Bread Circuses.
What you describe requires WAY more "good faith" than stateless communism, whose inter-subjective consensus is much simpler - an acknowledgment that LIBERTY and PROPERTY have ALWAYS been social phenomena, and the logical consequences of such a realization when wedded to mutual self interest.
A polity that RELIES on people exercising a heroic negation of self-interest in the confines of said system is a losing proposition. After all - where did the minarchy of "the founders" go?
@OuTofJoY As the great apes are closely related the study of them as well as anthropologically studying tribes today, gives us a hearty glimpse at "early man", which we can base our "State of Nature" standards upon.
One which to me, dictates that "Might Makes Right" was the original "property law". The development of language & necessity by climate shift drove development of "Voluntary" cooperation, alongside Property & trade. Ppl were buried with preferential items after all.
My response to your "heroic negation" as a losing proposition, is simply that Americans give ENORMOUSLY in charity, more than any other ppl. Of course the nature of a ppl's character is formed by culture, the chief ingredient in "nurture" & Looking into the dichotomous american culture, the Capitalist gives more than the socialist. & that's just in percentage of income. Consider that you must have wealth in order to give it away
I have a library of recommended reading to explain where they went
@OuTofJoY The structure of the constitution is exactly the same as it ever was, the most enduring Social Compact in History, of course the progressive movement distorted the meaning of terms as opportunity allowed, "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance."
& the restoration of CLASSICAL LIBERALISM, is only an education away, a resurgence of which we are in the beginning of.
Go read Alexander Tytler's [attributed] "Cycle of Democracies" its short. or Kipling's "Gods of the Copybook Headings"
@OuTofJoY Benjamin Franklin & the Bible hold that the greatest service to God is Charity. [the greek word "agape" typically translated to "Love" means specifically what is called colloquially "Christian or Brotherly Love", that of selfless charity] An action severely crippled by inability of 'infinite accumulation'.
I give you one John Huntsman Sr. who's life goal is to give away his fortune, Bill gates Who is giving away half of his, impossible to do if they did not have it.
The New Testament is quite clear about mercenary economics and hierarchy amongst the believers - it's against them. "Eye of the needle"? Love thy neighbor AS thyself? Lend w/o expectation of repayment? The first Christians living with COMMON property with alotment on the basis of NEED?
No need for theology to justify such communities. The marvel of the materialist-communist being more of a PRACTICAL CHRISTIAN than most of those who spend their Sundays saying "Lord, Lord!"
@OuTofJoY 'Eye of the needle' can be paraphrased "YOU CAN'T TAKE IT WITH YOU", IE equality in soul, & the love of God.
The Bible does not demonize the wealthy, that interpretation was largely born out of South American Communists infiltrating the church because it had control of the Govt.
The "Social Gospel' was largely born in the 20th century, as a political maneuver. Incidentally Obama's Rev. Wright, was of "Black Liberation Theology" which was derived by James Cone, from South America.
The Golden Rule inherently appeals to the standard of self love, and deifies its projection unto empathy.
The Fellowship of Believers was plain & 1stly a covenant of learning [as such the standards of monks; not one doctrine for all times or all people], in which much charity was engaged in, but reading Gill's exposition one learns that only the converted Jews sold everything they had due to the impending destruction of their city, & the charity was put to the purpose of spreading the gospel.
@OuTofJoY Of course the redemptive value in charity is choosing to give, without which, there is left only theft. The idea of a voluntary commune is not against Christian teachings, but the extremes of charity are no common doctrine for all Christians in all times either. Nor especially is involuntary redistribution any doctrine of Christianity; but perhaps in as something to accept as an outside injustice, to be resisted in spirit.
@OuTofJoY And of course it is a fatal detriment to anyone's logic to indulge in the Zero Sum Fallacy [linked to in the link I sent] Also I must recommend Hayek's "Use of Knowledge In Society" & the parable "I-Pencil", not to mention Adam Smith's "Wealth of Nations", or at least the excerpts on "The Invisible Hand".
@asderathos No, Capitalism and Democracy doesn't work. I know what I'm talking about this guy obviousely doesn't. Or maybe he does, he's just trying to spill a bunch of non-sense, and propaganda. P.S. think about it what does Al Quida really represent? Why do they hate America so much?
I'll go out on a limb here and say you're probably confusing Corporatism/Socialism with "Capitalist Free Market System", & Democratic Republic with "Democracy". & No Corporatism & democracy don't work, voters redistribute wealth and big corps buy regulations unachievable by [typically smaller] competition
As for Al Qaeda, they hate the Jews, and want Sharia Law [Theocracy], but their parent organization The Muslim Brotherhood worked with Leftists in Egypt & later took over.
@chris96kalonji I contend you don't know what Democracy or Capitalism are [as most don't], & your belief in 'their not going together' is based on the common misconception rather than their actual natures. The Original American Form of Govt. Is A Free Market-Republic two mutually Inclusive blended concepts.
Many other nations; Britain Spain Germany Russia have had terror attacks, by Islamo-Fascists. Not being on the same day is no point at all.
@asderathos Have you ever lived in a socialist country? Huh, you ignorant son of a bitch don't know what Communism is. I don't like it when assholes like you claim to have any grasp about my intellegence! If you're happy with the way things are well then you must be living in a completely diffrent world.
@chris96kalonji Hey dummy, Socialism and Communism are not synonyms. It is the difference between Govt. interference in the market on a small scale [Nationalizing an industry here and there, having a central bank set up as a ponzi scheme, high regulation influenced by big business 4 monopolization etc], and Absolute dictatorships like Cuba, China, & North Korea.
Perhaps you don't know, but I'm not a socialist, and the US being socialist; the status quo is not a positive thing for me.
@chris96kalonji & btw I've seen documentaries on North Korea, which is about the worst place to live on earth [the only place coming close that comes to mind being Zimbabwe]. All the more reason to advocate for INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM & LIMITED GOVT.!
The nature of the extremes of democracy being able to
influence markets is what makes a Free Market and Democracy
mutually exclusive as govt. interference is what a Free Market is free from
What we have is Socialist corporatism not capitalism: by govt. market influences; that have been broadened over time from trust busting, the Fed, new deal the great society, to the bailouts, stimulus & Financial Bill.
& the "Democratic Republic" has fallen prey all the evils of interested manipulative law.
@asderathos Okay, talking is great but real question is what are you going to do about it? Are you going to try to influence people through this bullshit video?
@chris96kalonji This particular video is not about The original American form of govt., [ this one is - /watch?v=DioQooFIcgE ] but upon its subject it cannot be construed as "BS" by anyone but that disbelieves Beck's prediction AFTER IT HAS ALREADY COME TO BE. Example: GREECE to Wisconsin, among others between.
There is only one way to fight on the battlefield of ideas, and that's to talk. The Founders fought on it for decades before taking up arms.
The USA Constitution's 2nd Amendment & Founding Fathers' explicit expoundatures on its being defense against tyranny are far more exact, with the saturate culture of times Known to have been gun'self defense culture, in which all able bodied men were considered "The Militia".
Beck says nothing that is "Jabber", you'd only suggest otherwise out of sheer ignorance, ask & I can define.
"The Invisible Committee" are exactly Anarcho Communists, read the damn book, the eBook is free online.
@stabilizeYourself Ha! He called it a Terrorist book. What a fucking lunatic. Yet, I have to admit that it takes balls to take something as stupid as that.
Nous sommes condamnés! "" Sécuriser nos frontières! "" L'Europe est condamnée! "" "Ils protestent!" Mon dieu! ils commencent «les syndicats!" Comme un canular Internet je pense à écrire un livre sur ma propre organisation terroriste et d'obtenir Beck en faire la publicité pour moi.
Of course there is such a thing as dangerous Ideas (of that there is no question), but the fundamental response to 'dangerous ideas' is what separates Fascism from Liberty. A Classical Liberal like Beck tells you to read the "Dangerous Book", whereas every leftist I've ever heard of has only heaped scorn upon any opposition, never recommending you read/listen/watch, while often demonstrating that they themselves hadn't either.
@stabilizeYourself My philosophy that you would denigrate into inversion is that which holds high the constitutional libertarian principle illustrated with visceral revulsion by Fahrenheit 451[the movie] in which Montag's captain says "we must burn the books Montag" & holding up Mein Kampf says "all of the books."
I'm telling you to read the book, not burn it & so is Glenn.
BUT Just because society okays free expression doesn't mean we okay direct instigation of crime, which itself is a crime.
It is a balance between Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.'s "clear and present danger" as "falsely shouting fire in a theatre and causing a panic." & Louis Dembitz Brandeis' "Fear of serious injury cannot alone justify suppression of free speech and assembly." "[do] not exalt order at the cost of liberty. . ."
You cannot stop a peaceful protest, you can arrest anyone trying to turn one into a riot. its just that simple.
@asderathos Our worlds are too far apart to start any sensible "communicative debate" (whatever you think that means). Anything anarcho-collectivist and left bent is very positive to me, anything neo-liberal, conservative and right bent truly scares me. But that you'll never get, your world has a face of Glen Back and there's no hope that you'll ever be able to really 'communicate'. You anyway posted this video only to spit on others who don't share your opinion. Good hunting, cowboy!
The 1st step in communicative debate is defining your terms. You're an Anarcho-Collectivist, My perspective is called Constitutional Federalist Libertarianism [or Classical Liberalism]. It is not Statist as your pejoratives would suggest. Milton Friedman did not call himself "Conservative" for good reason; as it intimates a retention of the status quo.
It would seem you're more interested in spitting pejorative ignorance than defending your ideas with any critical thought or considering others.
This is what happens when a not very bright little boy memorizes his daddy's cowboy mantra and then gets opportunity to share it with the rest of the world. This guy is very funny, we need many more of these clowns in order to expose a comic quality of the new right. Bring it on, little Glenn!
@MrKaralic Ad Hominem is not an argument. You have no substantive challenge thus far. So, lets see if you will simply stfu, Continue blithering slander (& get blocked), or Actually attempt communicative debate. My bet is rather highly against the latter.
The book advocates violence & is of an anarcho-collectivist, left bent.
@greenhell666 Oh, goood, maybe you'd like to check out, Mein Kampf, The Communist Manifesto, Osama Bin Laden's Personal Copy of the Quran, Saul Alinsky's Rules For Radicals, & Mao's Little Red Book... but enough jokes, here's a real suggestion (not that you shouldn't read the ravings of madmen) "they thought they were free" by milton mayer & The Myth of the Robber Barons by Burton W. Folsom
Get the FREE PDF eBOOK in the Description of the Coming Insurrection & don't forget to compare it to the Declaration of Independence & Bill of Rights.
The Constitution says "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." -2nd amendment. There is great difference between "Taking Up Arms" and having "The Right To Bear Arms". Read the Coming Insurrection & the Constitution + Declaration of Independence. Its 'Govt.'s are instituted to secure Individual Rights' VS 'There are no Individuals & communities must be liberated from bonds of having rights'
Well now, wasn't it quick that he lumped 911 truth in there as well, while saying Ron Paul was a dangerous kook? Yes, the man that goes ON and ON about his nation and how he'd like to go back doesn't do anything except torpedo people trying to find a better idea and VISION for the future. That's a great damned hero that is.
California is worse off than Greece (or at least as bad off), and I (Living here), can recognize the problems that caused it. (we are arguably the most Socialist State) You can browse my videos for "Armstrong And Getty" they are the most popular talk radio program in the state and often enunciate our woes with humor.
@smudge6699 Terrorism is not in the eye of the beholder. Terrorism is targeting civilians & civilian institutions. There can be NO excuse for it, you don't like the country that much LEAVE. If you're prevented that means you live in China, North Korea, or Cuba, Communist countries that have no real Civilian institutions. Trying to "Save the World" is putting all your eggs in one basket as well as your dove eggs in with chicken eggs.
Ppl thought the SSR was doomed, but they just transformed.
@smudge6699 Your version is too close to conspiracy theory for my taste, or at least lends itself too well to it. "Giving as best you can" That lines up Perfectly with Christianity and Capitalism. I don't know if I gave you this link b4 or not. /view_play_list?p=FD0C2BE5463ED59E
Pensions Social Security Medicare Etc, all socialisms fail, yeah duh. Glenn does the light math of it in "Common Sense" /view_play_list?p=8157EEC032829E90
It would seem your chasing Utopia without knowing "Good Enough"
@smudge6699 Capital is the Product of Labor, to attack Capital is to attack grapes in your own vineyard; however the monopolized federal reserve & Paper bank note system (which decide the form of capital) are a corruption kept seemingly for the lack of alternatives. No single material standard could support our economy. I'm not familiar with the complications of a mixed standard. Of course Minimum wage is dyer limitation on Jobs & Union Corruption a drain on industry and damage to govt integrity
I'm Real Unlike those that claim that they are Keeping it so
Gates bought into the AGW Hoax, He doesn't explain how Vaccines & Health Care reduces population; I would presume with the lack of context that its a generalized correlation with higher standards of living coinciding with dwindling population. Given his other ridiculous math (in that he doesn't question conclusions of AGW) I would say that is more likely than some crazy Vaccine Conspiracy
@smudge6699 We aren't Currently in a Full Blown Depression specifically because of Mutual Economic Destruction read "Tragedy And Hope" by Carroll Quigley. I should also mention that the political beliefs of Philanthropist does not negate his giving... Unless your talking about George Sorros who's fortune is spent in a highly political way.
I OF COURSE am against all the bail outs and the "To Big To Fail" BS. Socializing Losses & Privatizing Profits Yup, That's the Socialism of Hitler & FDR.
@smudge6699 Banks are a special case (which only works under the original federal reserve system with the right men in power), however actually unless I'm mistaken the Banks' TARP relief ended up going to corporations. The Entire Obama Plan has been WORSE than FDR's New Deal, the majority of cash is pay offs. Not Building anything. I Suggest you watch The Milton Friedman Video on the Federal Reserve. /watch?v=EY-HYUFlCPs
@smudge6699 I failed to mention that JOB CREATION is also a meritocratic distribution in and of its self. Even Tho Bill Gates is a leftist I still highly doubt your claim, post the /watch url for it on YT. There is a better example But I forget the guy's name, Friend of Beck's, Of course Beck gives to, so does Dr. Savage. The simple fact is efficient allocation for benefit of society is achieved best by the earners Check out the OECD stats at the Heritage Foundation.
Besides the law being an ass, a beast of burden Lead by men; whatever Government maintains law, it is a morality in and of its self perceived corrupt or not depending on the individual. Antioxidants? Or something else?
Profit motive does not define corruption, Bill Gates gives more charity than anyone. We are all ppl; romanticizing the poor proves one thing: that you want Class Warfare. The argument must be what is meritocratic, otherwise you subsidize failure and punish success however defined.
You know what gets me? They are anarchist for communism. That makes no sense, in fact it is INSANE. Which makes them even more dangerous. Didn't Van Jones read this in prison?
@DeltaBravo1216 Actually grass roots communism was attempted in the 1800s and failed miserably :) (A Conservative History of the American Left, is a great book) it does make more sense than top down communism if your goal is voluntary association with the cause & look at the political spectrum from the stand point of national vs local, centralized vs decentralized Govt. Better to be a servant that can leave than a slave.
But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security
the book is very similar to another document hmm "That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it" " But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security"
The book being anarchist in nature; you are ignoring several parts of the declaration.
"to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation"
"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed"
@asderathos But they do "declare the causes" thats what the books about. It gives many reasons for "seperation" I dont support violence as a means to seperate mankind but how else should seperation occur and be heard without the use of power?
@funkiliciouus You cannot "Declare the causes for a separation" when you are advocating and hoping to organized what is effectively an insurgency! Not a separation. The American Colonies had been denied representation while being taxed to death (The colonies were effectively enslaved; There is no freedom without property rights, which I highly doubt the Invisible Committee and their sympathizers would uphold; in fact is that not what they wish to tear down? This is just another French Rev not US
A document about Grass Roots Guerrilla Warfare does not sound much like it is declaring any causes for rebellion to supposed usurpers nor even presuming an attempt of separation. Does the book not suggest by the very tactics described that there is no value in the golden rule? much less value any amount of popular sovereignty IE Consent of the Governed, or rule of law at all?
Arbitrary power is most easily established on the ruins of liberty abused to licentiousness. -Washington
I guess bieng insurrectionary impossible, even if you are far right. No if a far right member throws bricks at democrats he is just exspressing his outrage.
GB what a stooge! it isn't ultra left books and revolutionaries that are bringing western civilization to the brink of ruin lol. Our civilization was already on the brink of ruin, the ultra left movement is just one reaction to the circumstances we are already in. The fact is, EVERYTHING is coming into question. We have to find new ways of living, cause it's not going back to the way it was. Buckle your seatbelts people...
Never seen such a stupid video. He's just mixing things he doesnt know, at all. At the time, no one in France cared about this small anarchist group of weirdos, no need to make a big deal about it. From fake or biased facts, he draws the silly conclusions he wants to come up with. Hope no one in America was stupid enough to believe this dumbass. What a shame, fuck FoxNews, lousy channel.
More like arranging things in a way which you do not understand.
Yes lets ignore this terrorist cell, that's never ended in tragedy before....
There are two main arrangements of Collectivism, Anarcho-Socialism & Centralized Keynesian Socialism, the fact that you know nothing about Political Spectrums only makes you ignorant, not them wrong.
& way to ad hominem "Fox News" Its the least shitty news network on TV; Of course your probly stupid enough to blindly watch the others like a tool.
Uhhh the Japanese have had a fairly large Communist movement for a long time. And also during the 1960s the Japanese Red Army terrorist group was actively highjacking airplanes, sticking up banks and bombing various targets.
And at around 5:54 he lets you know that he has not read the book but plans to later.
I know about the Japanese Communists, Beck's one week point that I've noticed is the politics of other countries (Japan And England Mainly). He should be praising and expounding upon the specific capitalist policies of Japan that have been beneficial.
Beck has several teams, and discusses material he himself has not read (Yet), as does the president whom I would not deride for it. (back said I think, on his radio show that he has STARTED reading it on the date this aired.) I've also started it.
Hey Fuktard, (And there's no if about it your a fuktard) you know what yer doing with your Fuktarded Gay Joke. So STFU Goebbels
Glenn did not start or sponsor the TEA PARTY Movement, He merely ACTUALLY Covered it without the retardation to which you yourself refer. The Coming Insurrection IS a disestablishmentarianism Anarchist, TERRORISM ADVOCACY How To Book, The Tea Parties were about Constitutional Limited Govt. & Advocacy of the Free Market Economy
its communistic anarchy, that doesn't mean it's bad. and the news covers tea parties, not a commentator. he did however encourage the teabagger movement, which is by definition, sponsorship.
the coming insurrection is not a terrorist book, i recommend you read it, try to understand the point of the writers, and open your mind.
they are just as anti-government as the teabaggers are, they just actually DO things instead of bitching about it!
"its communistic anarchy, that doesn't mean it's bad."
LAMO!!!~
stop saying "Tea Bagger" or I will block you for slander. They are only called that by ignorant old ppl and slanderous fuktards.
Advocacy is not sponsorship.
I've downloaded the E-Book of C-I & Have read some of it already. its a terrorist manifesto/manuel.
The Tea Partiers are anti National Govt Pro Federal govt in the actual lingually definitive sense of the words. Maybe read the Constitution Federalist Papers & Declaration.
lol, open up man, its a political theory, something to think about, it will only be dangerous in the hands of people like yourself caught in hysteria.
and i say "teabagger" because its satire, nobody takes them seriously because they have not actually done anything. they say they oppose the government but yet they want more corporatism. they are fighting to strip you of your rights.
Anarchism has no "Hands" it being by definition ZERO GOVERNMENT & Thus only a transiton to tyranny of the strongest and most heavily armed.
"Nobody Takes Them Seriously" Take a look at the most recent polls. The US majority are now self described Independents, which is specifically the anti Party message of the Tea Parties.
They appose National Govt which is what we have And are pro Constitutional FEDERAL Govt. & Corporatism is another word for Socialism which they're clearly anti.
dude, the tea party is a joke. and don't use polls, they are all skewed left and right. i'm not asking you to change your opinion, but i'm asking you to understand. the tea party protests everything that is even remotely liberal, claiming it is for the constitution. now having said that, try to understand that the founding fathers were just as corrupt as any politician, -> whiskey rebellion. but people like glenn beck say "holy shit this book has new ideas, it must be evil!!! :( "
There is no "Hysteria" that's the vilest sort of propaganda. & you can find NO Violence from the tea parties except where SEIU Thugs Beat down an olde black guy for selling Gadsden Flags. The Left Are Lying To You, searching out the 5 birther/truthers amongst 10,000 and you're eating it up.
glenn beck tells you to fear all new ideas, now how free does that sound? he is an absolute master of propaganda, and people buy in to it because their frightened. He says things like communism can't provide freedoms, when capitalism limits them more (unless your rich, like beck)
Stop being such a nub. "Fear New Ideas" name one "new Idea" or ANYTHING Glenn says to "Fear", that is BS wake up and smell it.
If you understood ANYTHING about basic economics Supply & Demand or The simple john lock ayn rand philosophies of FREEDOM, well you wouldn't be such a nub.
Comparing the schools of thought of, Freedom from want VS freedom of reaping the lion share of what you sew; the results have been exampled in the Hong Kong of the 80s, freer periods of America vs Socialist States
The tea party movement is about small govt & Capitalism & your stripe of pathetic conspiracy BS is both being used to paint the tea parties while spew such retardations as you just have.
Homes burned that environmentalist did not approve of being built in their green zones? Big cars burned at an auto dealerships, because they were not environmentally friendly. And what about Greenpeace ramming whaling ships and then wanting the Japanese to pay for their damage? Peta people throwing paint on a woman in a fur coat, is that not destroying someone else's property? Obama's surrounds himself with people who love the tactics this book. Beck is right.
Actually the FBI was convicted in a US court of bombing Judi Bari car causing her extreme disfigurement. Judi Barri was associated with EarthFirst and ELF
"Representative Scott McInnis, then chairman of the US House Subcommittee on Forests and Forest Health suggested it was "luck" no one has been killed by an ELF (or ALF) attack."
The point being They Are Terrorists. My favorite morning duo often deride the ridiculousness of having vastly different sentences for Attempted Murderers Vs Murderers. You get leniency for sucking. Without such stupidity maybe Obama's political career might never have taken off (being launched in the home of one Terrorist, William Ayers).
So, I'm confused. We should buy the book, read it seriously, because everything it predicts will happen actually will, because people really are fed up and angry...so Glenn Beck agrees with the book? Help?
This is a Anarcho Socialist book, Advocating Terrorism, GB is a Constitutional Libertarian Advocating Peace, Civil Debate, Working within the system, but Preparing for the worst which just might come down to self defense & Self preservation.
@asderathos er, so the idea is that we should act as if everything is fine, debate like friends, but stockpile guns or whatever in the meantime, 'just in case,' because we know things are actually really bad?
You presume a greater state of danger than there is and lack a faith in the spirit of the American ppl that Glenn has.
Everyone should be prepared to defend themselves, regardless of political climate: stockpiling Guns is not the way to do it. Community Organizing is... (No, Not the Obama syle.)
Question With Boldness, Hold to the Truth (whatever that may be, [no 9-11 "truth" is a lie]) Speak Without Fear.
@asderathos civil debate? are you kidding? how is anything he does part of a civil debate? all he does is make fun, criticize, belittle, and talk to his viewers like they are 3rd graders, and then offers no solutions. the fear mongering on his show is laughable, and I especially love when he tells his viewers to invest in gold because the end is near, and then a commercial plays in the break where he's telling everyone to look up GoldLine. Great ethics!
If you actually watched and listened to his shows you'd know that no opposition will go on them except for the odd radio caller who inevitably misrepresents Becks' positions much as you have. (Straw-Man much?)
It takes Two for a "Civil Debate" and the inevitable misrepresentation breaks civility in and of its self.
His endorsement in gold is based in his beliefs, the opposite of which would be hypocrisy. You must presume disingenuous-ness to criticize.
Only if you go by the supreme retardation that is the conventional 2 dimensional political spectrum.
There are quite a great many Socialist Utopian Disestablishmentarians out there who aren't Big Govt Top Down Socialists, but rather Grass Roots Anarchist Bottom Up Socialists; nonetheless they are socialists.
Check your eyes for blinders, cuz yer vision is narrowed.
Wow you broke the ignorance-o-meter LOL, Govt subsidization of industry is by definition Socialism not to mention the Interferences dating back to the institution of the Federal Reserve.
America has not been purely capitalist for 100 years, the recession is directly caused by socialism and the prosperity of the west come directly and traceable from the freedoms of the market the UNfreedoms explainably detracting from over all prosperity.
First of all, public sector involvement in the private sector in the way you've described it isn't "Socialist" in any sense of the word, it is however State Capitalist, or Corporatist.
Actual Socialism always intends towards the diminishing of private concentrations of power and the democratization of services and resource allocation.
Secondly, to incite that state involvement caused the Recession is absurd and idiotic. The Recession was caused by the deregulation of the Financial Sector.
The Fuktarded Left MUST Demonize all opposition as Fascist to hide that Fascism is solely a leftist phenomena. Big Govt, Tyrannical Dictatorship Propagandized Ignorance. What do the Jacobins, Mussolini, Woodrow Wilson, Hitler, FDR, & Stalin Have In Common? FASCISM A RELIGION OF THE STATE, A Political Uniformity Silencing Opposition, Totalitarianism, Populist Dictatorship under Cult Personality. THE WHOLE OF HUMAN HISTORY IS AGAINST YOUR CANARD DRIVEL bow b4 the truth or continue ranting ignominy
Capitalism is dead. That's all. The book is natural reaction, something that HAS to happen. The yankee in the screen saying nonesenses like "western (world) way of life" (maybe he thinks we're in the 50's) is just another way to make us lose our time and make we get confused of our duty: Change the world to save the planet.
mbcrra 6 months ago
Saying "Capitalism is dead" only proves you haven't the slightest clue as to what capitalism is. I'd assume you've believed the Marxist theories that reject out of hand what has been explicitly demonstrated, in Hong Kong. If you care to read the dissent to your genocidal failure of a philosophy, you can google "Asderathoslchaimclassicalliberalism Capitalism" [yes run together like that], and click the first result. In the mean time, do try not to kill another 100 million people.
asderathos 6 months ago
@asderathos A very old european University says i have idea about what capitalism is. That's all.
mbcrra 6 months ago
Only a European would consider the age of an institution as evidence of its ideas' validity. This is the essence of ad hominem.
I've spoken to many Socialists, almost none of which accept my definition of Socialism, why then should a Capitalist accept a Socialist's definition of Capitalism? The term was popularized by Marx but has come to be popularly synonymous with a Free Market System, necessitating Govt's restriction from interfering in voluntary market conditions but in their maintenance.
asderathos 6 months ago
The deviation from which is definitively those with wealth purchasing privilege from the govt.; Capitalism to a Socialist, Socialism to a Capitalist.
asderathos 6 months ago
no real change has ever occurred without violence. coming from a republican who's party went to war to get rid of communism, who's party equipped the Taliban with weapons is now asking for peaceful revolution?
gtfo....
bobflyer 7 months ago
1tly Glenn Beck is not a Republican. 2ndly You do realize the Democrats started the Civil War right? [among others] Now stop the Party BS. The only thing worse than collective condemnation lacking shared relevant criteria, is collective condemnation by irrelevant criteria projected upon one not even of that group!
asderathos 7 months ago
Idiots like Beck don't realize that the "liberals" he despises (and confuses with radicals) have been keeping capitalism alive since the Great Depression with welfare of one form or another.
Were the masses forced to taste the "leveling hand of the market" w/o relief (as we are now approaching, as even America's line of credit is expired), they would rise up and remove parasites like him and his heroes.
OuTofJoY 9 months ago
@OuTofJoY In a social contract 'democratic republic' style govt., There is a 'progressive model' which effected the death of the roman empire. Govt.'s initial purpose being to secure individual "Negative Rights" against the govt. [as well as guard against fraud theft & coercion from at home & abroad], The next 'role' of govt. is to grant material rights, such as FDR's "New Bill of Rights" Funded of course by taxes, these are "Positive Rights" & they are the definition of socialism.
asderathos 8 months ago
Capitalism is only a free market system. When govt. "Pics winners & losers" [individually or corporate] or just plain effects the market significantly [outside its role in 'negative rights'] that is socialism. That was FDR's New Deal [which was just an endless band of experimentations with centrally economic planning].
Welfare & Govt. Bureaucracy are the new "Bread & Circuses".
My point being welfare is socialism IE cannot 'protect capitalism' The illusory need of it was caused by the Govt!
asderathos 8 months ago
Since you hate capitalists so much, maybe you should, i dunno, actually know what capitalism IS? To a Capitalist!? Understanding opposition is only good honest to goodness debate prep. So in want of not posting 5 more sets of 500 characters I posted a link to yer profile.
[In my initial response I didn't realize you meant the Marxist definition of "Capitalism" IE any who "Capitalize" on a situation, regardless]
asderathos 8 months ago
@asderathos
I think you're confusing me with another person you were debating with. I've posted once in this thread. The only point you address that I made was "progressive schemes" as life-support for capitalism.
"Capitalism" is more than the "free market." It includes assumptions about "property rights" (acquisition and maintenance) which other free market systems (ex. "Agorism"/Mutualism) reject. This is why capitalism is inherently authoritarian/statist, and ALWAYS "regulates."
OuTofJoY 8 months ago
My responses were all directed at you, in response to your claiming Beck is an idiot for 'hating' those "liberals" whom you purport have maintained "Capitalism". Thus defining capitalism outside of the Marxist pejorative, It is extraordinarily foolish to claim that socialists & their socialist systems such as welfare, do anything for Capitalism.
asderathos 8 months ago
@asderathos
The transformation of the U.S into a "big spender" was inevitable given its origins in - and continued reliance upon - authority, conquest and "natural advantage". The "welfare state" aspects of this (aside from the larger cost of industrial/corporate welfare) is "life support" insofar as the American proletariat would have revolted LONG AGO w/o them.
(Btw - there is no link posted to my channel profile last time I checked; hence the confusion over who you're talking to.)
OuTofJoY 8 months ago
@OuTofJoY It sure is obvious that a nation founded on the principle of "No Taxation Without Representation", individual sovereignty; a nation born out of a revolution caused by economic & social tyrannies such as the stamp act, would turn out Socialist! Pftsh.
The universal cause for revolution is hunger. In this you have your order's out of wack. Govt. interferes, creating a problem, then Govt. proposes a solution, funded on the back of the tax payer.
asderathos 8 months ago
@OuTofJoY If I was a historian [which I'm not] I'd challenge you to come up with ONE govt. born, taxpayer funded 'solution' that wasn't either fake, or made for a problem born of the govt. in the first place.
asderathos 8 months ago
@asderathos
You're asking the wrong man - "welfare" is a band-aid solution for a system I wholly reject.
OuTofJoY 8 months ago
@OuTofJoY I posted the link to your frontpage, it showed up when I did it. I'll send it via message then.
There's a default setting that may require comment approval for front pages, if you only went straight to it not checking messages; of course YT has inconsistent glitches about links
asderathos 8 months ago
@asderathos
I think I know what happened - I'm using the mobile app. It won't show. However, I did get the link in my "inbox." I'll look at it later.
OuTofJoY 8 months ago
@asderathos
As for "capitalism", definitions vary; I'll grant this. Same goes for "socialism."
By "capitalism" I refer to A market system (as it is not the only one) with strong notions of title (exclusive right to dispose of property.) The "right" to theoretically endless accumulation REQUIRES a monopolization of violence (the state) as humans are generally disinclined to recognize property beyond ability of utilization/possession.
OuTofJoY 8 months ago
@OuTofJoY I've yet to here a rebuttal to the economic/governance perspective [that is the dichotomy of; negative vs positive rights] for capitalism's definition.
"Violence" is a prejudicial word, incorrect in its application to the LAW's Citizen Representative's exclusive right to "Force" OF LAW, authority, within the nation.
"Endless Accumulation" is an illusory problem, which demonizes in its supposition the very incentives to cooperative creation of possible resources for sustenance.
asderathos 8 months ago
@asderathos
What was there to rebut exactly? You described what you think a capitalist state does with regard to an unexamined concept of "private property."
You may not appreciate the implications of my concision, but that is all it is - "monopoly on violence" is entirely accurate.
"Profit" is not cooperation - it's predation. It is "cold war" and betrays a lack of civilization, the essence of which is mutual confidence.
OuTofJoY 8 months ago
@OuTofJoY Rebuttal is merely descriptively expressed disagreement; presumed to be held. You claim my view to be "unexamined", which btw, is ad hominem. But the concept is built from "State of Nature" suppositions. If the structure of your perspective is rooted in the "monopoly on violence" dictum, [in dichotomy to my "Negative Rights" position,] then you might say as much.
It is not that I don't "appreciate the implications", its that I reject the language & the reasoning.
asderathos 8 months ago
Profit is gain & Gain Alone! [you might argue that profit motivates cold war perdition, but not that it IS those things], it is BORN of cooperation, or violence, or trickery, or fraud, or production, or luck. The Self Interest/Profit MOTIVE, is guided by the Invisible hand to benefit society. [seriously Adam Smith's excerpts are on it aren't that long].
Society is born of cooperation driven by self interest, in a state of nature trust is born of necessity!
asderathos 8 months ago
@OuTofJoY Tribe & Common Culture breed trust by equalities under necessary authority.
asderathos 8 months ago
@asderathos
The NEED for the U.S to implement social-welfare measures has to do with the inherently anti-libertarian character of capitalism (both in terms of its human costs and what it does to the ability of the state to govern with any degree of impartiality.) Further, "the new deal" and similar measures were a boon for many industries - both for direct benefit (subsidies) AND by mollifying the masses with something less than actual socialism (worker control of production.)
OuTofJoY 8 months ago
@OuTofJoY Claiming a need does not demonstrate a need. The relation of a praise-able term as purportedly anti-pejorative describes nothing but opinion without basis. Further vagaries say nothing.
WWII was a "Boon" to many industries. The New Deal shuffled money around creating bureaucracies, which mostly wasted wealth. One of its Cheif Architects denounced it as a failure "We have tried [8 years of] spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work."
asderathos 8 months ago
@asderathos
You won't get any argument from me on the failure of the welfare state. It is a poor substitution for actual democracy (political and economic.)
OuTofJoY 8 months ago
@OuTofJoY I would assume [from what you've said so far] that by Democracy you mean 'Democracy', except "Democracy putting authority in the hands of any majority allows for the abuse of the minority, without rule of law governing the actions of that majority, which although Republic commonly refers to "Representative Democracy" the Etymology of "Republic" refers to Rule of Law over people [equally]. Embodied in the quote " A Govt. of Law not Men". perhaps you addressed this in later replies.
asderathos 8 months ago
@OuTofJoY The only reason the History books are Pro-FDR is because it was his own men writing them. The Govt. action of slaughtering tons of baby pigs, had the wanted effect of increasing the price of pork; & thus such a plan can be said [by fools] to be a "Boon to Industry". One socialism is minimum wage, in the New Deal Era we had MINIMUM PRICE, look up the NRA, Blue Eagle.
Worker Control IE Communism as literally IMPOSSIBLE as black markets are fostered & rulers chosen to then benefit.
asderathos 8 months ago
@asderathos
...AND once again - I KNOW the welfare state has failed. There is no "socializing" capitalism. It has only prolongued the agony.
Where exactly do "black markets" figure into a cashless, stateless community (and community of communities) where all property, production and distribution is held in common? Or even more to the point, how is this MORE of a problem for such a community than in a monetary market economy that gives the every means and motive for such problems?
OuTofJoY 8 months ago
There is no method of enforcing Commonality of property but Force of Authority, & Authority of Force. [btw Subjugation may be achieved by Force without Violence]
Self interest being in the nature of man, unless there is a restriction of means, by famine, small numbers, or isolation etc, as with the admired tribes that hold such a system, individuals will dissent, 'hoarding' will insue, & then trade.
There is a great book that covers 1800's Communes "A Conservative History of The American Left"
asderathos 8 months ago
@OuTofJoY The real problem with your "Stateless Communitarian-ism" is that it requires the sacrifice of self interest, by authority or volition. If authority, it is no longer "Stateless", if volition, People leave.
Now, there are tribes that practice, I assume you would agree, some like version of your system; they are few & sparse.
Black markets aren't really the problem with your system, population of it is. Very few with another option wants it. Go start a commune!
asderathos 8 months ago
As for Black Markets in a "monetary System" the common thread [amongst the many possible forms] that can be stated is that the nature of the laws making Substances Illegal, the level of taxation upon goods & services, border control & citizenship policy [or lack thereof], are what contribute to Black Markets. These issues are VERY SEPARATE from the "Monetary System" itself. These Civil policies, which includes those of economic interference, are all that foster black markets.
asderathos 8 months ago
Capitalism necessitating Property Rights was implied in the reply mentioning protection against "Theft" under "Negative Rights-Govt." & the subsequent mention of Positive Rights being in effect socialism. Of course the link I posted made it all the more clear.
Without a system of voluntary market conditions the only alternative is involuntary, which is "Authoritarian".
By your logic any governance is "Statist". Anarchy's direct result is tribal fiefdom, outside of nonhuman culture.
asderathos 8 months ago
@asderathos
Horizontal, participatory, directly democratic governance would be "stateless" in the sense that "the state" is being used. Everything else is oligarchy of one sort or another (even if not "autocratic.")
Such voluntary assembly (with consensus democracy, as disassociation is always possible) will ALWAYS gravitate toward actual "socialism" (worker self management) and communism (distribution according to need and availability) as this represents the balance of common self-interest.
OuTofJoY 8 months ago
Oligarchy's pejorative-ness inherently necessitates authoritarianism. The "Power" necessary to describe "Oligarchy" [as an evil] must originate with the governors, for if they originate with, even if by defused authority, THE PEOPLE, it is a representative power. You must reject "Representation" itself to deny this; Direct democracy subjugates the minority to any majority utterly. To reject Representation, is to reject the supremacy of Law over all men, which DEMANDS Tyranny/Slavery.
asderathos 8 months ago
@asderathos
Humans have neurological characteristics which reward altruistic behavior (it is pleasure giving.) This evolved capacity helps encourage the supremely beneficial strategy of unmercenary "mutual aid" - the ability to help one another outside of exacting models of compensation.
Our ability to act upon this is greatly retarded by a lack of organization and clarity, so as to be able to rely that our altruism will be reciprocated. Anarchist-communism addresses that hurdle.
OuTofJoY 8 months ago
@OuTofJoY The human character is formed by combination of "Nature" & "Nurture".
Hitler & Gandhi, both human.
The purpose of the "Democratic-Republican" form of Govt. chosen by the Founders, was [besides being inspired by a vast education on "Democracy"; denounced by them all], to vest indirect representation in a culpable individual, selected by a "Religious And Moral People".
Mob rule felled The Roman Empire with Bread Circuses.
asderathos 8 months ago
@asderathos
What you describe requires WAY more "good faith" than stateless communism, whose inter-subjective consensus is much simpler - an acknowledgment that LIBERTY and PROPERTY have ALWAYS been social phenomena, and the logical consequences of such a realization when wedded to mutual self interest.
A polity that RELIES on people exercising a heroic negation of self-interest in the confines of said system is a losing proposition. After all - where did the minarchy of "the founders" go?
OuTofJoY 8 months ago
@OuTofJoY As the great apes are closely related the study of them as well as anthropologically studying tribes today, gives us a hearty glimpse at "early man", which we can base our "State of Nature" standards upon.
One which to me, dictates that "Might Makes Right" was the original "property law". The development of language & necessity by climate shift drove development of "Voluntary" cooperation, alongside Property & trade. Ppl were buried with preferential items after all.
asderathos 8 months ago
My response to your "heroic negation" as a losing proposition, is simply that Americans give ENORMOUSLY in charity, more than any other ppl. Of course the nature of a ppl's character is formed by culture, the chief ingredient in "nurture" & Looking into the dichotomous american culture, the Capitalist gives more than the socialist. & that's just in percentage of income. Consider that you must have wealth in order to give it away
I have a library of recommended reading to explain where they went
asderathos 8 months ago
@OuTofJoY The structure of the constitution is exactly the same as it ever was, the most enduring Social Compact in History, of course the progressive movement distorted the meaning of terms as opportunity allowed, "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance."
& the restoration of CLASSICAL LIBERALISM, is only an education away, a resurgence of which we are in the beginning of.
Go read Alexander Tytler's [attributed] "Cycle of Democracies" its short. or Kipling's "Gods of the Copybook Headings"
asderathos 8 months ago
@OuTofJoY Benjamin Franklin & the Bible hold that the greatest service to God is Charity. [the greek word "agape" typically translated to "Love" means specifically what is called colloquially "Christian or Brotherly Love", that of selfless charity] An action severely crippled by inability of 'infinite accumulation'.
I give you one John Huntsman Sr. who's life goal is to give away his fortune, Bill gates Who is giving away half of his, impossible to do if they did not have it.
asderathos 8 months ago
@asderathos
The New Testament is quite clear about mercenary economics and hierarchy amongst the believers - it's against them. "Eye of the needle"? Love thy neighbor AS thyself? Lend w/o expectation of repayment? The first Christians living with COMMON property with alotment on the basis of NEED?
No need for theology to justify such communities. The marvel of the materialist-communist being more of a PRACTICAL CHRISTIAN than most of those who spend their Sundays saying "Lord, Lord!"
OuTofJoY 8 months ago
@OuTofJoY 'Eye of the needle' can be paraphrased "YOU CAN'T TAKE IT WITH YOU", IE equality in soul, & the love of God.
The Bible does not demonize the wealthy, that interpretation was largely born out of South American Communists infiltrating the church because it had control of the Govt.
The "Social Gospel' was largely born in the 20th century, as a political maneuver. Incidentally Obama's Rev. Wright, was of "Black Liberation Theology" which was derived by James Cone, from South America.
asderathos 8 months ago
The Golden Rule inherently appeals to the standard of self love, and deifies its projection unto empathy.
The Fellowship of Believers was plain & 1stly a covenant of learning [as such the standards of monks; not one doctrine for all times or all people], in which much charity was engaged in, but reading Gill's exposition one learns that only the converted Jews sold everything they had due to the impending destruction of their city, & the charity was put to the purpose of spreading the gospel.
asderathos 8 months ago
@OuTofJoY Of course the redemptive value in charity is choosing to give, without which, there is left only theft. The idea of a voluntary commune is not against Christian teachings, but the extremes of charity are no common doctrine for all Christians in all times either. Nor especially is involuntary redistribution any doctrine of Christianity; but perhaps in as something to accept as an outside injustice, to be resisted in spirit.
asderathos 8 months ago
@OuTofJoY And of course it is a fatal detriment to anyone's logic to indulge in the Zero Sum Fallacy [linked to in the link I sent] Also I must recommend Hayek's "Use of Knowledge In Society" & the parable "I-Pencil", not to mention Adam Smith's "Wealth of Nations", or at least the excerpts on "The Invisible Hand".
asderathos 8 months ago
I wish I could flag videos for stupidity.
chris96kalonji 11 months ago
@chris96kalonji Your blithering Ignorance is no criticism of Beck's ideas.
asderathos 11 months ago
@asderathos No, Capitalism and Democracy doesn't work. I know what I'm talking about this guy obviousely doesn't. Or maybe he does, he's just trying to spill a bunch of non-sense, and propaganda. P.S. think about it what does Al Quida really represent? Why do they hate America so much?
chris96kalonji 11 months ago
I'll go out on a limb here and say you're probably confusing Corporatism/Socialism with "Capitalist Free Market System", & Democratic Republic with "Democracy". & No Corporatism & democracy don't work, voters redistribute wealth and big corps buy regulations unachievable by [typically smaller] competition
As for Al Qaeda, they hate the Jews, and want Sharia Law [Theocracy], but their parent organization The Muslim Brotherhood worked with Leftists in Egypt & later took over.
asderathos 11 months ago
@asderathos I think you misunderstood. What I meant to say Democracy and Capitalism don't go together.
Also, I would like you to ask yourself why did 9/11 only happen to America? Why does everyone always target America?
chris96kalonji 11 months ago
@chris96kalonji I contend you don't know what Democracy or Capitalism are [as most don't], & your belief in 'their not going together' is based on the common misconception rather than their actual natures. The Original American Form of Govt. Is A Free Market-Republic two mutually Inclusive blended concepts.
Many other nations; Britain Spain Germany Russia have had terror attacks, by Islamo-Fascists. Not being on the same day is no point at all.
asderathos 11 months ago
@asderathos Have you ever lived in a socialist country? Huh, you ignorant son of a bitch don't know what Communism is. I don't like it when assholes like you claim to have any grasp about my intellegence! If you're happy with the way things are well then you must be living in a completely diffrent world.
chris96kalonji 11 months ago
@chris96kalonji Hey dummy, Socialism and Communism are not synonyms. It is the difference between Govt. interference in the market on a small scale [Nationalizing an industry here and there, having a central bank set up as a ponzi scheme, high regulation influenced by big business 4 monopolization etc], and Absolute dictatorships like Cuba, China, & North Korea.
Perhaps you don't know, but I'm not a socialist, and the US being socialist; the status quo is not a positive thing for me.
asderathos 11 months ago
@chris96kalonji & btw I've seen documentaries on North Korea, which is about the worst place to live on earth [the only place coming close that comes to mind being Zimbabwe]. All the more reason to advocate for INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM & LIMITED GOVT.!
asderathos 11 months ago
The nature of the extremes of democracy being able to
influence markets is what makes a Free Market and Democracy
mutually exclusive as govt. interference is what a Free Market is free from
What we have is Socialist corporatism not capitalism: by govt. market influences; that have been broadened over time from trust busting, the Fed, new deal the great society, to the bailouts, stimulus & Financial Bill.
& the "Democratic Republic" has fallen prey all the evils of interested manipulative law.
asderathos 11 months ago
@asderathos Okay, talking is great but real question is what are you going to do about it? Are you going to try to influence people through this bullshit video?
chris96kalonji 11 months ago
@chris96kalonji This particular video is not about The original American form of govt., [ this one is - /watch?v=DioQooFIcgE ] but upon its subject it cannot be construed as "BS" by anyone but that disbelieves Beck's prediction AFTER IT HAS ALREADY COME TO BE. Example: GREECE to Wisconsin, among others between.
There is only one way to fight on the battlefield of ideas, and that's to talk. The Founders fought on it for decades before taking up arms.
asderathos 11 months ago
May I cite from the German Constitutional Law?
Article 20:
(1) Germany is a democratic and social federal state.
(2) All authority comes from the people. [...] (left out by me)
(3) Legislative is bound to constitutional order, executive and judiciary are bound to law and justice.
(4) Against everyone who may threaten this order, every German has the right to resistance if other relief is not feasible.
One may focus on paragraph 4.
stabilizeYourself 1 year ago
@stabilizeYourself And, what does the German [democratic socialist] constitution have to do with a Anarcho-Communist Terrorist book? spell it out.
asderathos 1 year ago
@asderathos
We have the right to use weapons. Just in case.
btw: Please define "anarcho-communist". Try not to repeat Beck's jabber.
stabilizeYourself 1 year ago
The USA Constitution's 2nd Amendment & Founding Fathers' explicit expoundatures on its being defense against tyranny are far more exact, with the saturate culture of times Known to have been gun'self defense culture, in which all able bodied men were considered "The Militia".
Beck says nothing that is "Jabber", you'd only suggest otherwise out of sheer ignorance, ask & I can define.
"The Invisible Committee" are exactly Anarcho Communists, read the damn book, the eBook is free online.
asderathos 1 year ago
@asderathos He's a moron.
chris96kalonji 11 months ago
@chris96kalonji Ad Hominem is not an argument.
asderathos 11 months ago
@stabilizeYourself Ha! He called it a Terrorist book. What a fucking lunatic. Yet, I have to admit that it takes balls to take something as stupid as that.
chris96kalonji 11 months ago
Nous sommes condamnés! "" Sécuriser nos frontières! "" L'Europe est condamnée! "" "Ils protestent!" Mon dieu! ils commencent «les syndicats!" Comme un canular Internet je pense à écrire un livre sur ma propre organisation terroriste et d'obtenir Beck en faire la publicité pour moi.
jusguyz 1 year ago
@jusguyz Si vous allez porter des accusations le faire en anglais.
asderathos 1 year ago
"dangerous book" , i like it. nice train of thaught.
paddybasterd 1 year ago
Of course there is such a thing as dangerous Ideas (of that there is no question), but the fundamental response to 'dangerous ideas' is what separates Fascism from Liberty. A Classical Liberal like Beck tells you to read the "Dangerous Book", whereas every leftist I've ever heard of has only heaped scorn upon any opposition, never recommending you read/listen/watch, while often demonstrating that they themselves hadn't either.
asderathos 1 year ago
@asderathos
Dangerous ideas like thought crimes as in "1984"?
stabilizeYourself 1 year ago
@stabilizeYourself My philosophy that you would denigrate into inversion is that which holds high the constitutional libertarian principle illustrated with visceral revulsion by Fahrenheit 451[the movie] in which Montag's captain says "we must burn the books Montag" & holding up Mein Kampf says "all of the books."
I'm telling you to read the book, not burn it & so is Glenn.
BUT Just because society okays free expression doesn't mean we okay direct instigation of crime, which itself is a crime.
asderathos 1 year ago
It is a balance between Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.'s "clear and present danger" as "falsely shouting fire in a theatre and causing a panic." & Louis Dembitz Brandeis' "Fear of serious injury cannot alone justify suppression of free speech and assembly." "[do] not exalt order at the cost of liberty. . ."
You cannot stop a peaceful protest, you can arrest anyone trying to turn one into a riot. its just that simple.
asderathos 1 year ago
@paddybasterd
Yeh. We had "dangerous books" in Germany. Around the 30s/40s of last century. Thought people learned a bit of that time. Obviously some didn't.
stabilizeYourself 1 year ago
@asderathos Our worlds are too far apart to start any sensible "communicative debate" (whatever you think that means). Anything anarcho-collectivist and left bent is very positive to me, anything neo-liberal, conservative and right bent truly scares me. But that you'll never get, your world has a face of Glen Back and there's no hope that you'll ever be able to really 'communicate'. You anyway posted this video only to spit on others who don't share your opinion. Good hunting, cowboy!
MrKaralic 1 year ago
The 1st step in communicative debate is defining your terms. You're an Anarcho-Collectivist, My perspective is called Constitutional Federalist Libertarianism [or Classical Liberalism]. It is not Statist as your pejoratives would suggest. Milton Friedman did not call himself "Conservative" for good reason; as it intimates a retention of the status quo.
It would seem you're more interested in spitting pejorative ignorance than defending your ideas with any critical thought or considering others.
asderathos 1 year ago
This is what happens when a not very bright little boy memorizes his daddy's cowboy mantra and then gets opportunity to share it with the rest of the world. This guy is very funny, we need many more of these clowns in order to expose a comic quality of the new right. Bring it on, little Glenn!
MrKaralic 1 year ago
@MrKaralic Ad Hominem is not an argument. You have no substantive challenge thus far. So, lets see if you will simply stfu, Continue blithering slander (& get blocked), or Actually attempt communicative debate. My bet is rather highly against the latter.
The book advocates violence & is of an anarcho-collectivist, left bent.
asderathos 1 year ago
I have this book, it is awesome
greenhell666 1 year ago
@greenhell666 Oh, goood, maybe you'd like to check out, Mein Kampf, The Communist Manifesto, Osama Bin Laden's Personal Copy of the Quran, Saul Alinsky's Rules For Radicals, & Mao's Little Red Book... but enough jokes, here's a real suggestion (not that you shouldn't read the ravings of madmen) "they thought they were free" by milton mayer & The Myth of the Robber Barons by Burton W. Folsom
asderathos 1 year ago
Get the FREE PDF eBOOK in the Description of the Coming Insurrection & don't forget to compare it to the Declaration of Independence & Bill of Rights.
asderathos 1 year ago
I thought the Constitution encourage people to be armed? Isn't it?
LouisC89 1 year ago
The Constitution says "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." -2nd amendment. There is great difference between "Taking Up Arms" and having "The Right To Bear Arms". Read the Coming Insurrection & the Constitution + Declaration of Independence. Its 'Govt.'s are instituted to secure Individual Rights' VS 'There are no Individuals & communities must be liberated from bonds of having rights'
asderathos 1 year ago
ASSHOLE OF ALL ASSHOLES
jonnyb4u 1 year ago
@jonnyb4u I'm sure Homer is put to shame and Shakespeare is exposed as a concubine to his publisher with that resplendent and detailed witticism.
If you're going to just curse in comments the least you could do is direct it at someone.
asderathos 1 year ago
Well now, wasn't it quick that he lumped 911 truth in there as well, while saying Ron Paul was a dangerous kook? Yes, the man that goes ON and ON about his nation and how he'd like to go back doesn't do anything except torpedo people trying to find a better idea and VISION for the future. That's a great damned hero that is.
A.G.
AussieGriffin 1 year ago
@smudge6699
California is worse off than Greece (or at least as bad off), and I (Living here), can recognize the problems that caused it. (we are arguably the most Socialist State) You can browse my videos for "Armstrong And Getty" they are the most popular talk radio program in the state and often enunciate our woes with humor.
A good start -
/watch?v=1vjdrTkLX0s
/watch?v=NNik3uSIx4I
/watch?v=YAAycY3L2CY
And any featuring Tom McClintock
asderathos 1 year ago
@smudge6699 Terrorism is not in the eye of the beholder. Terrorism is targeting civilians & civilian institutions. There can be NO excuse for it, you don't like the country that much LEAVE. If you're prevented that means you live in China, North Korea, or Cuba, Communist countries that have no real Civilian institutions. Trying to "Save the World" is putting all your eggs in one basket as well as your dove eggs in with chicken eggs.
Ppl thought the SSR was doomed, but they just transformed.
asderathos 1 year ago
@smudge6699 Your version is too close to conspiracy theory for my taste, or at least lends itself too well to it. "Giving as best you can" That lines up Perfectly with Christianity and Capitalism. I don't know if I gave you this link b4 or not. /view_play_list?p=FD0C2BE5463ED59E
Pensions Social Security Medicare Etc, all socialisms fail, yeah duh. Glenn does the light math of it in "Common Sense" /view_play_list?p=8157EEC032829E90
It would seem your chasing Utopia without knowing "Good Enough"
asderathos 1 year ago
@smudge6699 Capital is the Product of Labor, to attack Capital is to attack grapes in your own vineyard; however the monopolized federal reserve & Paper bank note system (which decide the form of capital) are a corruption kept seemingly for the lack of alternatives. No single material standard could support our economy. I'm not familiar with the complications of a mixed standard. Of course Minimum wage is dyer limitation on Jobs & Union Corruption a drain on industry and damage to govt integrity
asderathos 1 year ago
@smudge6699
I'm Real Unlike those that claim that they are Keeping it so
Gates bought into the AGW Hoax, He doesn't explain how Vaccines & Health Care reduces population; I would presume with the lack of context that its a generalized correlation with higher standards of living coinciding with dwindling population. Given his other ridiculous math (in that he doesn't question conclusions of AGW) I would say that is more likely than some crazy Vaccine Conspiracy
I say my model seems pretty sturdy
asderathos 1 year ago
@smudge6699 We aren't Currently in a Full Blown Depression specifically because of Mutual Economic Destruction read "Tragedy And Hope" by Carroll Quigley. I should also mention that the political beliefs of Philanthropist does not negate his giving... Unless your talking about George Sorros who's fortune is spent in a highly political way.
I OF COURSE am against all the bail outs and the "To Big To Fail" BS. Socializing Losses & Privatizing Profits Yup, That's the Socialism of Hitler & FDR.
asderathos 1 year ago
@smudge6699 Banks are a special case (which only works under the original federal reserve system with the right men in power), however actually unless I'm mistaken the Banks' TARP relief ended up going to corporations. The Entire Obama Plan has been WORSE than FDR's New Deal, the majority of cash is pay offs. Not Building anything. I Suggest you watch The Milton Friedman Video on the Federal Reserve. /watch?v=EY-HYUFlCPs
asderathos 1 year ago
@smudge6699 I failed to mention that JOB CREATION is also a meritocratic distribution in and of its self. Even Tho Bill Gates is a leftist I still highly doubt your claim, post the /watch url for it on YT. There is a better example But I forget the guy's name, Friend of Beck's, Of course Beck gives to, so does Dr. Savage. The simple fact is efficient allocation for benefit of society is achieved best by the earners Check out the OECD stats at the Heritage Foundation.
asderathos 1 year ago
Besides the law being an ass, a beast of burden Lead by men; whatever Government maintains law, it is a morality in and of its self perceived corrupt or not depending on the individual. Antioxidants? Or something else?
Profit motive does not define corruption, Bill Gates gives more charity than anyone. We are all ppl; romanticizing the poor proves one thing: that you want Class Warfare. The argument must be what is meritocratic, otherwise you subsidize failure and punish success however defined.
asderathos 1 year ago
You know what gets me? They are anarchist for communism. That makes no sense, in fact it is INSANE. Which makes them even more dangerous. Didn't Van Jones read this in prison?
DeltaBravo1216 1 year ago
@DeltaBravo1216 Actually grass roots communism was attempted in the 1800s and failed miserably :) (A Conservative History of the American Left, is a great book) it does make more sense than top down communism if your goal is voluntary association with the cause & look at the political spectrum from the stand point of national vs local, centralized vs decentralized Govt. Better to be a servant that can leave than a slave.
asderathos 1 year ago
@DeltaBravo1216 & no the Coming Insurrection came out (In English & in America) way after Van Jones was jailed.
asderathos 1 year ago
I am reading it to learn how the enemy thinks. No I don't necessarily mean by guns and war. Jeeze.
DeltaBravo1216 1 year ago
But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security
funkiliciouus 1 year ago
the book is very similar to another document hmm "That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it" " But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security"
funkiliciouus 1 year ago
@funkiliciouus
The book being anarchist in nature; you are ignoring several parts of the declaration.
"to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation"
"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed"
asderathos 1 year ago
@asderathos But they do "declare the causes" thats what the books about. It gives many reasons for "seperation" I dont support violence as a means to seperate mankind but how else should seperation occur and be heard without the use of power?
funkiliciouus 1 year ago
@funkiliciouus You cannot "Declare the causes for a separation" when you are advocating and hoping to organized what is effectively an insurgency! Not a separation. The American Colonies had been denied representation while being taxed to death (The colonies were effectively enslaved; There is no freedom without property rights, which I highly doubt the Invisible Committee and their sympathizers would uphold; in fact is that not what they wish to tear down? This is just another French Rev not US
asderathos 1 year ago
@funkiliciouus
A document about Grass Roots Guerrilla Warfare does not sound much like it is declaring any causes for rebellion to supposed usurpers nor even presuming an attempt of separation. Does the book not suggest by the very tactics described that there is no value in the golden rule? much less value any amount of popular sovereignty IE Consent of the Governed, or rule of law at all?
Arbitrary power is most easily established on the ruins of liberty abused to licentiousness. -Washington
asderathos 1 year ago
I guess bieng insurrectionary impossible, even if you are far right. No if a far right member throws bricks at democrats he is just exspressing his outrage.
Deathlordtwo 1 year ago
Is that comment directed at me?
tickettoberlin 2 years ago
No its directed at your slightly less retarded twin.
asderathos 2 years ago
GB what a stooge! it isn't ultra left books and revolutionaries that are bringing western civilization to the brink of ruin lol. Our civilization was already on the brink of ruin, the ultra left movement is just one reaction to the circumstances we are already in. The fact is, EVERYTHING is coming into question. We have to find new ways of living, cause it's not going back to the way it was. Buckle your seatbelts people...
tickettoberlin 2 years ago
Read a book on economics you ignoramous.
asderathos 2 years ago
Never seen such a stupid video. He's just mixing things he doesnt know, at all. At the time, no one in France cared about this small anarchist group of weirdos, no need to make a big deal about it. From fake or biased facts, he draws the silly conclusions he wants to come up with. Hope no one in America was stupid enough to believe this dumbass. What a shame, fuck FoxNews, lousy channel.
servicetek7 2 years ago
More like arranging things in a way which you do not understand.
Yes lets ignore this terrorist cell, that's never ended in tragedy before....
There are two main arrangements of Collectivism, Anarcho-Socialism & Centralized Keynesian Socialism, the fact that you know nothing about Political Spectrums only makes you ignorant, not them wrong.
& way to ad hominem "Fox News" Its the least shitty news network on TV; Of course your probly stupid enough to blindly watch the others like a tool.
asderathos 2 years ago
Uhhh the Japanese have had a fairly large Communist movement for a long time. And also during the 1960s the Japanese Red Army terrorist group was actively highjacking airplanes, sticking up banks and bombing various targets.
And at around 5:54 he lets you know that he has not read the book but plans to later.
chosenmachine 2 years ago
I know about the Japanese Communists, Beck's one week point that I've noticed is the politics of other countries (Japan And England Mainly). He should be praising and expounding upon the specific capitalist policies of Japan that have been beneficial.
Beck has several teams, and discusses material he himself has not read (Yet), as does the president whom I would not deride for it. (back said I think, on his radio show that he has STARTED reading it on the date this aired.) I've also started it.
asderathos 2 years ago
"Every generation needs a new revolution."
- Thomas Jefferson
AlaricxMalgraith 2 years ago
An even "worse" book just came out, "Willful Disobedience" by Wolfi Landstreicher published by Ardent Press.
Could ya review that one Glenn?
m0bi 2 years ago
Why don't you Tweet him about it?
asderathos 2 years ago
Don't assume that everyones buying in to all the new technology these days, because a lot of us aren't...
m0bi 2 years ago
Tea Bagger
NotDanMartineau 2 years ago
how can he say that the coming insurrection is evil when he basically sponsored his own anti-government protest, the teabaggers?
MRmattconnell 2 years ago
Hey Fuktard, (And there's no if about it your a fuktard) you know what yer doing with your Fuktarded Gay Joke. So STFU Goebbels
Glenn did not start or sponsor the TEA PARTY Movement, He merely ACTUALLY Covered it without the retardation to which you yourself refer. The Coming Insurrection IS a disestablishmentarianism Anarchist, TERRORISM ADVOCACY How To Book, The Tea Parties were about Constitutional Limited Govt. & Advocacy of the Free Market Economy
Its working In The system vs Destroying it
asderathos 2 years ago
its communistic anarchy, that doesn't mean it's bad. and the news covers tea parties, not a commentator. he did however encourage the teabagger movement, which is by definition, sponsorship.
the coming insurrection is not a terrorist book, i recommend you read it, try to understand the point of the writers, and open your mind.
they are just as anti-government as the teabaggers are, they just actually DO things instead of bitching about it!
MRmattconnell 2 years ago
"its communistic anarchy, that doesn't mean it's bad."
LAMO!!!~
stop saying "Tea Bagger" or I will block you for slander. They are only called that by ignorant old ppl and slanderous fuktards.
Advocacy is not sponsorship.
I've downloaded the E-Book of C-I & Have read some of it already. its a terrorist manifesto/manuel.
The Tea Partiers are anti National Govt Pro Federal govt in the actual lingually definitive sense of the words. Maybe read the Constitution Federalist Papers & Declaration.
asderathos 2 years ago
lol, open up man, its a political theory, something to think about, it will only be dangerous in the hands of people like yourself caught in hysteria.
and i say "teabagger" because its satire, nobody takes them seriously because they have not actually done anything. they say they oppose the government but yet they want more corporatism. they are fighting to strip you of your rights.
MRmattconnell 2 years ago
Anarchism has no "Hands" it being by definition ZERO GOVERNMENT & Thus only a transiton to tyranny of the strongest and most heavily armed.
"Nobody Takes Them Seriously" Take a look at the most recent polls. The US majority are now self described Independents, which is specifically the anti Party message of the Tea Parties.
They appose National Govt which is what we have And are pro Constitutional FEDERAL Govt. & Corporatism is another word for Socialism which they're clearly anti.
asderathos 2 years ago
dude, the tea party is a joke. and don't use polls, they are all skewed left and right. i'm not asking you to change your opinion, but i'm asking you to understand. the tea party protests everything that is even remotely liberal, claiming it is for the constitution. now having said that, try to understand that the founding fathers were just as corrupt as any politician, -> whiskey rebellion. but people like glenn beck say "holy shit this book has new ideas, it must be evil!!! :( "
MRmattconnell 2 years ago
We Anarchists did rather well in Spain and the Ukraine thank you very much. And we would have Anarchy too if it wasn't for those meddling Bolsheviks.
AlaricxMalgraith 2 years ago
There is no "Hysteria" that's the vilest sort of propaganda. & you can find NO Violence from the tea parties except where SEIU Thugs Beat down an olde black guy for selling Gadsden Flags. The Left Are Lying To You, searching out the 5 birther/truthers amongst 10,000 and you're eating it up.
asderathos 2 years ago
glenn beck tells you to fear all new ideas, now how free does that sound? he is an absolute master of propaganda, and people buy in to it because their frightened. He says things like communism can't provide freedoms, when capitalism limits them more (unless your rich, like beck)
MRmattconnell 2 years ago
Stop being such a nub. "Fear New Ideas" name one "new Idea" or ANYTHING Glenn says to "Fear", that is BS wake up and smell it.
If you understood ANYTHING about basic economics Supply & Demand or The simple john lock ayn rand philosophies of FREEDOM, well you wouldn't be such a nub.
Comparing the schools of thought of, Freedom from want VS freedom of reaping the lion share of what you sew; the results have been exampled in the Hong Kong of the 80s, freer periods of America vs Socialist States
asderathos 2 years ago
The tea party movement is about manipulating groups of people who lack the intelligence to form their own opinions.
NotDanMartineau 2 years ago
The tea party movement is about small govt & Capitalism & your stripe of pathetic conspiracy BS is both being used to paint the tea parties while spew such retardations as you just have.
asderathos 2 years ago
@asderathos Agreed.
spikeman23 2 years ago
Homes burned that environmentalist did not approve of being built in their green zones? Big cars burned at an auto dealerships, because they were not environmentally friendly. And what about Greenpeace ramming whaling ships and then wanting the Japanese to pay for their damage? Peta people throwing paint on a woman in a fur coat, is that not destroying someone else's property? Obama's surrounds himself with people who love the tactics this book. Beck is right.
falkmonster4 2 years ago
You forgot E.L.F., they actually bomb ppl's houses & kill ppl.
asderathos 2 years ago
The ELF hasn't killed a single person.
AlaricxMalgraith 2 years ago
Actually they have.
asderathos 2 years ago
They haven't. I've been following the ELF activities for years. Who precisely do you imagine they have killed?
AlaricxMalgraith 2 years ago
Maybe I was thinking of ALF.
Somebody was attacked with a pick axe. A Guy's house was blown up. sumthin.
ELF has been the FBI's Top Domestic Terrorist Group.
asderathos 2 years ago
@asderathos
Actually the FBI was convicted in a US court of bombing Judi Bari car causing her extreme disfigurement. Judi Barri was associated with EarthFirst and ELF
chosenmachine 2 years ago
@asderathos
"Representative Scott McInnis, then chairman of the US House Subcommittee on Forests and Forest Health suggested it was "luck" no one has been killed by an ELF (or ALF) attack."
chosenmachine 2 years ago
The point being They Are Terrorists. My favorite morning duo often deride the ridiculousness of having vastly different sentences for Attempted Murderers Vs Murderers. You get leniency for sucking. Without such stupidity maybe Obama's political career might never have taken off (being launched in the home of one Terrorist, William Ayers).
asderathos 2 years ago
So, I'm confused. We should buy the book, read it seriously, because everything it predicts will happen actually will, because people really are fed up and angry...so Glenn Beck agrees with the book? Help?
RedwhiskeredBubul 2 years ago
This is a Anarcho Socialist book, Advocating Terrorism, GB is a Constitutional Libertarian Advocating Peace, Civil Debate, Working within the system, but Preparing for the worst which just might come down to self defense & Self preservation.
asderathos 2 years ago
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RedwhiskeredBubul 2 years ago
@asderathos er, so the idea is that we should act as if everything is fine, debate like friends, but stockpile guns or whatever in the meantime, 'just in case,' because we know things are actually really bad?
RedwhiskeredBubul 2 years ago
@RedwhiskeredBubul Isn't that sort of how WWI started?
RedwhiskeredBubul 2 years ago
You presume a greater state of danger than there is and lack a faith in the spirit of the American ppl that Glenn has.
Everyone should be prepared to defend themselves, regardless of political climate: stockpiling Guns is not the way to do it. Community Organizing is... (No, Not the Obama syle.)
Question With Boldness, Hold to the Truth (whatever that may be, [no 9-11 "truth" is a lie]) Speak Without Fear.
asderathos 2 years ago
@asderathos civil debate? are you kidding? how is anything he does part of a civil debate? all he does is make fun, criticize, belittle, and talk to his viewers like they are 3rd graders, and then offers no solutions. the fear mongering on his show is laughable, and I especially love when he tells his viewers to invest in gold because the end is near, and then a commercial plays in the break where he's telling everyone to look up GoldLine. Great ethics!
batemapa 2 years ago
done with yer caricature are yuh?
If you actually watched and listened to his shows you'd know that no opposition will go on them except for the odd radio caller who inevitably misrepresents Becks' positions much as you have. (Straw-Man much?)
It takes Two for a "Civil Debate" and the inevitable misrepresentation breaks civility in and of its self.
His endorsement in gold is based in his beliefs, the opposite of which would be hypocrisy. You must presume disingenuous-ness to criticize.
asderathos 2 years ago
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batemapa 2 years ago
This isn't written by the "far left", it's by anarchists. A great example of fox news propaganda.
songsofrebellion 2 years ago
Only if you go by the supreme retardation that is the conventional 2 dimensional political spectrum.
There are quite a great many Socialist Utopian Disestablishmentarians out there who aren't Big Govt Top Down Socialists, but rather Grass Roots Anarchist Bottom Up Socialists; nonetheless they are socialists.
Check your eyes for blinders, cuz yer vision is narrowed.
asderathos 2 years ago
America should really need a new revolution. I wonder if they will overthrow capitalism in their country before us in Europe...
Trotten84 2 years ago
Wow you broke the ignorance-o-meter LOL, Govt subsidization of industry is by definition Socialism not to mention the Interferences dating back to the institution of the Federal Reserve.
America has not been purely capitalist for 100 years, the recession is directly caused by socialism and the prosperity of the west come directly and traceable from the freedoms of the market the UNfreedoms explainably detracting from over all prosperity.
Look up "ACORN caused Recession"
asderathos 2 years ago
First of all, public sector involvement in the private sector in the way you've described it isn't "Socialist" in any sense of the word, it is however State Capitalist, or Corporatist.
Actual Socialism always intends towards the diminishing of private concentrations of power and the democratization of services and resource allocation.
Secondly, to incite that state involvement caused the Recession is absurd and idiotic. The Recession was caused by the deregulation of the Financial Sector.
TheDynamicPsyche 2 years ago
Idiots that listen to Glen Beck are juts retarded. !.. go dribble on yourselves.. fucking Fascist ! Antifa ~!!!!!!!!
Crasstian 2 years ago
The Fuktarded Left MUST Demonize all opposition as Fascist to hide that Fascism is solely a leftist phenomena. Big Govt, Tyrannical Dictatorship Propagandized Ignorance. What do the Jacobins, Mussolini, Woodrow Wilson, Hitler, FDR, & Stalin Have In Common? FASCISM A RELIGION OF THE STATE, A Political Uniformity Silencing Opposition, Totalitarianism, Populist Dictatorship under Cult Personality. THE WHOLE OF HUMAN HISTORY IS AGAINST YOUR CANARD DRIVEL bow b4 the truth or continue ranting ignominy
asderathos 2 years ago
So the book he is holding is for fucktards only? Or is this real? Read a book once in a while.
pandabead 2 years ago