wouldn`t it be wild if we arrested him and exicuted him on the spot as an enemy combatant and then anounce to the world that a communist revolution will be a success as soon as hell freezes over and that shit like he and the rest of them tried to pull, will not be tollerated
@19or50 Obamas is a far left liberal who supports european socialist,communist, ideas,big government,take from the working give to the non working.never been hired by a poor person yet. he just needs to be removed from office and save our economy an way of life.nothing racial about it . just that Obama is really bad, as we all can see now, for america. along with the rest of the democrats.broke worse than ever with him. vote him out
Obama is not a natural born citizen ,and there for not allowed to be president. Hes father was not a us citizen. only hes mother , you must be of parents that are both born here in the us ,to be a natural born citizen.also he was taken to indonesia to live at age 3 ,was listed as a citizen of that country then.Obama is a fraud ,in office because of liberal , socialist,communist, far left people and the liberal news media.who bluffed the many dumb voters out there into voting him into office.
@TheBell1423 Obama's mom was not a citizen long enough for Obama to be considered a citizen. The law stated at the time of his birth is, that if only one parent was a US citizen at the time, they would have had to live in the US for 10 yrs and 5 of those years would have to be over the age of 16. Obama's mom was only 18 when Obama was born.
@MrOTLChamp "Obama's mom was not a citizen long enough for Obama to be considered a citizen. The law stated at the time of his birth is, that if only one parent was a US citizen at the time, they would have had to live in the US for 10 yrs and 5 of those years would have to be over the age of 16. Obama's mom was"
Obama's mom was a Natural born CITIZEN she was born in Kansas. Obama was born in Hawaii he didn't needed his mom to be a NBC he was born in US soil. The law is the same. cont.
@MrOTLChamp cont. Do you know how many teens and having babies in the US every day? Their babies if born in US soil are natural born citizens, the mother's age is irrelevant. Born here=natural born , you are recycling a stupid birther idea that was debunked long time ago. Stop using drugs!
@clarity023 You obviously misunderstood what the law said. US Law very clearly stipulates: ".If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16." Barack Obama's father was not a U.S. citizen and Obama's mother was only 18 when Obama was born, which means though she had been a U.S. citizen for 10 years, cont....
@clarity023 (or citizen perhaps because of Hawai'i being a territory) the mother fails the test for being so for at least 5 years **prior to** Barack Obama's birth, but *after* age 16. It doesn't matter *after*.
This law was in place from December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986?
@MrOTLChamp" the mother fails the test for being so for at least 5 years **prior to** Barack Obama's birth" Where is the evidence of that? What law? Show me her passport with the stamp that she was not in the US, go ahead, show Congress.
@TheBell1423 You said Obama is not natural born because his father was not US citizen, what about 7 other presidents? or Romney, did you know that his father was born in Mexico? or Santorum? his father was Italian. So what if he was taken to Indonesia at age 6 not 3, the only fraud here are the birthers, trying to remove an eligible president you should be in jail for sedition and promoting violence toward the president. Ignorant go read a book or two.
@clarity023 facts are: george romney,mitts dad, by us law was considered a natural born citizen ,due to him being borned to two american citizens.doesnt matter were they are at the time.granted at birth as long as parents are both us citizens. the law when Obama was borned ,parents have to have lived here for 10yrs,and at least 5 yrs after the age of 16,before a childs birth. Obamas mother was 18 when he was borned and obamas father, has never been a american citizen. ignorant
@TheBell1423 James Madison, The Founders’ Constitution Volume 2, Article 1, Section 2, Clause 2, Document 6 (1789)
“It is an established maxim, received by all political writers, that every person owes a natural allegiance to the government of that country in which he is born. Allegiance is defined to be a tie, that binds the subject to the state, and in consequence of his obedience, he is entitled to protection…
@TheBell1423 cont'd The children of aliens, born in this state, are considered as natural born subjects, and have the same rights with the rest of the citizens.”
Obama was born in US soil (Hawaii) read what Madison said look in the Constitution stop reading WnutDaily, or birthers site, not reliable. Born in US soil=natural.native born.
You are the ignorant and you CAN'T change our laws, even children of illegal aliens born here are NATURAL BORN CITIZENS, GROW A BRAIN.
@TheBell1423 Go to h t t p : / / w w w . usconstitution . net / consttop _ cit i . html
Read the 8 topics who is a natural born citizen and who can be president NO two citizens, parent if the child is born IN US soil. Read the definition of JUS SOLI. Now who is the ignorant?.....YOU. Obama is your eligible natural president. End of story.
@clarity023 as usual ,far left liberals when confronted with anything not to their beliefs ,or to the support of their commie leaders,Obama ect,attack name calling ,ignorant,nazis,redneck,screaming and so on. Like Obama ,blow smoke up rears, keep on the attack ,blame bush ,do anything to cover ,the failure,of their liberal leaders and the record they have had so far.one thing is for sure ,over three yrs of Obama has broke the country ,nothing has helped,high ever thing vote him out
@TheBell1423 Did you see the video? Did you read the 8 topics? Did you learn that Obama is NBC and that you don't need 2 American parents to be natural born? Oh well good. Have a nice day.
He is african born and not eligible. Americans dont like Russians and they are white so lets quit the race bullcrap this time. Now: to fake his ideology for so long is a very serious crime.
@TheTuboholic "He is african... let quit the race bullcrap this time"
YES is racism!
Then why are you claiming he is African when you know it's not true . He was born in Hawaii and there's overwhelming evidence about it. Why the birthers are not calling Romney the Mexican , by now everybody knows his father was born in MEXICO.
@clarity023 how about THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES? Watch the video again. I dont need to clarify your mind. Search yourself for evidence and clarify this. If you want to keep lying to yourself, it is not my problem.
@clarity023 Here's your evidence. Here's the latest on your hero.
Court papers dated 1/26/12 The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program. To qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship. Obama is not a US citizen. He is a fraud. WAKE UP!
Let this serve as a message to all you idiots that support this criminal.
@MrOTLChamp That court paper is bs .When Obama attended Occidental College he used his name Barack Obama not Soetoro, that lie was debunked long time ago by Jim Tranquada the director of communications. Recycling old debunked lies wont make it true even if you repeat them. You birthers are an embarrasment for our country, get lost of move to Canada!
@clarity023 Jim Tranquada could not have debunked it, because the records have never been released. All obummer has to do is say OK, and the records will be released. But he refuses to. Not to mention the judge in atlanta said there is enough evidence proving obummer is not a citizen, that the court hearing WILL continue. Also Georgia, at this point will not even put obummer on the ballot.
If the US president was a white man and there was controversy as to whether he was US born, he would have been pounced upon before he was even elected but they are afraid to pounce on Obama just because he's black out of fear of being lableled RACIST.
You do realise that his full birth cert was presented. Please don't be one of those retards that thinks it's not an authentic U.S. birth cert or some other crazy belief,..
@MrNarwhalbacon That may not have happened before but there could always be a first time and this just might be it. And you say I could not be more wrong? Well I'll bet anyone a ten to a pound of shit that I'm not.
One more thing. What White woman is going to go to Kenya for a very brief period to have her baby? How about finding documentation of where Obamas mother was when he was born?
Wait if Obama wouldn't have won the elections and if john Mc cain would have won would you have impeached him too?no because he is white...but he wasn't born in U.S. grounds he was born in PANAMA in a military base!!!!
I am a white men and I find an American McCain is worse then an Muslim Obama... Not saying they are but you get my point. Because McCain is trying to pass the national defense authorization bill.
The Constitution leaves no room for doubt upon this subject. The words 'natural born citizen of the United states' appear in it, and the other provision appears in it that, "Congress shall have power to pass a uniform system of naturalization." To naturalize a person is to admit him to citizenship. Who are natural born citizens but those born within the Republic? Those born within the Republic, whether black or white, are citizens by birth--natural born citizens.
if he is not a us citizen why they aint impeach him? cause that's a load of shit (CHARTERCRUZE) you need to open your ears the white hateful people (not all of them) made this a raciest thing, everybody no this is the only president who had to deal with all this stupid bullshit everybody been talking about it, i no you heard it we fuck up as people when we let (BUSH) have two terms he spent all the money im done with this situation no use arguing (VOTE) cause all this name calling need to stop
All the people so concerned about obama, and who the president is, when will you people learn the president is just a puppet. Presidents come and go, but the agenda is still always the same, its still all about money and power once you cut around all the bullshit. Wake up people its the corporations behind the curtain pulling the strings we need to bring justice to. Not the puppet that tells us their message.
Obama is a clever fellow who imbibed hatred of America with his mother’s milk, worked his way up the ladder of education & career.
He shares resentment of Muslims against the encroachment of American culture, although not their religion. Hes lives with his subjects, learns their language & elicits their hopes & fears & remains at a emotional distance. He's equivalent of a sociopath. The difference is ,hes practicing not on a primitive tribe but on the population of the USA .
@lavieinrose1 No, I don't think Obama's grandmother said " Obama is a native of this village" would get him out of office nor do I think that a report by the Associated Press, a pro-Obama news agency, telling the truth that Obama was Kenyan-born would get him out of office.
I remember in the story of Troy, once the Trojan horse revealed its real identity, the people could not get rid of it. I believe someday history will tell the truth that Obama was Kenyan born and it's not funny.
your daddy aint a us citizen.. get your tea party ass off of you tube !!! yall got his birth cirtificate now what ? yall cant stand that a black man in the white house be real speak the truth since yall speaking it
@dazjah00 Problem is its not a real birth certificate hes not a US citizen you can use that race card all you want but your still wrong and you sound like a raciest or your just really stupid.He is a islamic from Kenya so he needs to be Inpeached
@theshow2k8 - i graduated in 2003 i put shit the way i want it this aint no class room i pay this internet service. If it's fake why he still in office? why uncul tom aint impeach him? cause yall cant touch him hook up with fox 5 and find something that will stick he has my vote along with alot other.
please stop this your only herding your self I mean I now you want to say it his that niger in the white house so say it and go to sleep I now you don't like him, but this really his ridiculous...
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"It thus clearly appears by the law of England for the last three centuries,beginning before the settlement of this country,and continuing to the present day,aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the crown of England,were within...the jurisdiction of the English sovereign;and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural born subject,unless the child of an ambassador..."
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In wong Kim Ark v. the Supreme Court traced the phrase "Natural born citizen" back to English common law and showed that it applied to children of aliens born in the UK and its colonies.The Court also showed that this legal doctrine was in force at the time of the Declaration of Independence and the writing of the Constitution.
Would you agree that applying to a U.S. university and signing that he was a foreign student applying and accepting U.S. funds designated only for foreign students would be a repudiation after attaining majority age? Would you agree that traveling on a foreign passport is evidence of the desire to retain foreign citizenship? Would you agree that maintaining TWO foreign passports while seeking to establish U.S. citizenship (even if by his mere presence on the soil of,) conflicts our law?
What if he repudiated the U.S., which is highly probable as a student in Indonesia. Then, he would have had to take affirmative steps as an adult to re-affirm his citizenship after his parent(s) gave it up. He did no re-affirmation of citizenship. This is not a simple issue. Firstly, disregard what the current law of hawaii is. It is irrelevant! The controlling law was 1-when he was born, 2- when he needed to reaffirm his allegiance to the U.S.
@mediatingmensan Declarations by a minor(and President Obama was not 18 years old when he lived in Indonesia) are not valid as it is assumed that minors do not have the required maturity to renounce U.S citizenship.
@mediatingmensan Under US law, a child who is a US citizenship CAN NOT lose his US citizenship while in another country, regardless of the intent of the custodial parent. Even if he had gained Indonesian citizenship while living there, he never lost his US citizenship. He did not need to reaffirm his allegiance to the US when he returned to live in Hawaii at age 10. Sure would help if you had a clue as to what you were posting.
@derkinator90210 Wrong..... The constitution clearly states who is allowed to be president, and it's a natural born citizen, and natural born citizens were always someone born to two citizens, not one. The clause was put in their specifically to help prevent someone like Obama from being president, someone who's allegiances were split, someone who doesn't actually love this country as it was founded and is, but wants to change it, making it socialist, marxist, and fascist to cement Dem power.
@leeuniverse Really? born to two citizens? What about Buchanan and Arthur? Both had Irish parents!
Wong Kim (2 Chinese parents not naturalized) the Supreme Court decided he was a natural born.
Mitt Romney's father was born in MEXICO! Even children of illegal immigrants born here are NBC go read the Constitution. Obama was born HERE of an American mother, he is 100% American. Grow a brain!
@clarity023 Jibber jabbing liberal junk you don't actually know the details of. Buchanan's parents were in the U.S. when the Constitution was ratified, thus they qualified as citizens under the grandfather clause. Arthur succeeded the Presidency after Garfield was assassinated, he didn't directly seek the office of presidency. Since anyone down the line could be president by succession, not having to have had citizen parents at the time of birth, his not fitting the clause isn't unreasonable.
@clarity023 However, even if "technically" he likely shouldn't have been president, a past mistake by government does not excuse Obama's intentional actions. Obama's a constitutionalist, and not only that, but oversaw McCains being questioned about his own qualifications to be president, and thus new very well the law. Naturalized citizen is not the same as "natural born" citizens. Learn English. As to Romney, Romney's father was a citizen, thus Romney qualifies.
@leeuniverse Obama said on national tv during his campaign in 2008 that his father was from Kenya. Why hasn´t the Republican party, Congress, the Senate, SCOTUS, or any other official body done anything about it?
Your argument is stupid you just don't want to admit he is a natural born. You're an idiot.
@clarity023 What does illegal immigrants have to do with anything? A citizen is not a natural born citizen. Natural Born citizen means being born to two U.S. citizens. This has always been the meaning of the term. The founders put it in the constitution for a purpose, and put the grandfather clause in for themselves for a purpose. If your claim was true, there would have been no need for the grandfather clause. Watch this video and YOU "get a brain": youtube com /watch?v=QEnaAZrYqQI
@leeuniverse I'm just citing that if a child of an illegal immigrant is born in US soil he/she is consider NBC he/she can even run for president. Please cite me the law word from word stating that you need "2 citizen parents" to be natural born, cite the Amendment, clause all. Believing in birtherism causes brain damage, remember that.Go Check where Mitt Romney's father was born and he is running! No grandfather clause bs. just cite the law word for word.
@clarity023 No he/she isn't. Watch the video, and even Obama himself states he doesn't qualify when he applies the law to McCaine. One such act is called the "Naturalization Act of 1790". It defines what a natural born citizen is quote: "the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens". There are other examples out there, such as in the video. Note the word "citizens" plural.
@clarity023 No it doesn't, it means "born here", not natural born. Can your brain understand the difference between "born" and the addition of the "natural"? I don't recall it being "76", but if you actually read most of the reasons "why" they were dropped is because of "lack of jurisdiction", etc., not because Obama has been proven to be natural born. If the courts haven't even allowed argumentation, how can you say you've won???
@clarity023 Not case closed, his father WAS NOT born here, thus he doesn't qualify to be president per the constitution. Further, I've quoted you actual U.S. Law, and various videos quote you actual U.S. law, and they ALL say a natural born citizen is someone born to "citizens" PLURAL, NOT "singular" like you claim. You however have quoted not a single law proving your claim. Your feelings are not fact, you do not show fact to prove your position. Just admit it, you are in love with Obama.
@leeuniverse The naturalization act of 1790 was nullified in before the end of the century. Point dismissed. There are 2 types of American citizens. natural born (citizen at birth), eligible for president. naturalized (alien at birth) uneligible. Why dont you go see who the USCIS and State Department of Foreign Affairs(AKA the government) counts as a citizen at birth. That should clear up your confusion. Or if you continue in ignorance, I will provide links and/or examples.
@UncontestedTruth Sorry, I've studied for myself all the history and claims on the issue, including the liberal side, and the liberal side OMITS important and key history and legal judgments in order to make your claims, as well as the always known meaning of the term itself. We are talking the intent of the Constitution itself, not the liberal legal winding and interpretations since while ignoring the other case law. Liberals always' try to change law to make it work in their favor.
@leeuniverse Blame libs? For 200 years the 3 branches of government have been forming the USC. The very idea of Jus naturale has been accepted since the adoption of the Constitution in America. Jus sanguinis is inhereted citizenship. It only requires 1 parent to inherent citizenship. While Jus naturale was started by Greeks, Jus soli and Jus sanguinis are both recognized as Roman principles. Look up Roman philosophers such as Marcus Aurelius and Cicero. The Constitution accepted these principles
@UncontestedTruth Citizenship is not the issue, the issue is natural born. To be natural born, one must be born to "citizens", plural, not singlular. That was always the meaning of the law from since the writings put it in the Constitution. People trying to have their own definitions since, or variety's before doesn't change the fact.
@leeuniverse Beyond that, it doesnt matter what you say. Your definition and the Romans definition and most importanty, the laws definition are different. I dont know what you follow nor do I care. But I do care what America follows. Your viewpoint is irrelevant when faced with law. The Constitution (AKA the law) does NOT support your claims of requiring 2 citizen parents. That requirement has never been brought forth by law. You can whine incessantly. The law is the law. End of discussion.
@UncontestedTruth Actually, the INTENT of the law is the actual law. Read my previous post. We can disagree and think our own judgment is the true judgment. But none of that matters, what matters is the intent of the Founders. Either your commited to the intent, or your commited to liberalism to make us just like and low as other country's. I believe in the values that established this country, to the be greatest in the world. You do not. You believe in changing those values, digressing.
@UncontestedTruth Listen, even my own children cannot be President, & I'm true blue American and as Patriotic as can be, why, because their mother is Chinese from Malaysia. They are even living there now, and will for at least a couple more years, thus their allegiances are split. This example as well as Obama, is the VERY REASON for the natural born clause, to prevent such people who have split allegiances from being President. Forget everything you think about it, & get back to the intent!
@leeuniverse Citizenship is not the issue? Yes it is. Its about whether he was a NBC or not. The Constitution does not support your claims. There has NEVER been a requirement of 2 citizens. Even when the Constitution was written. Back then Jus soli ruled and Jus sanguinis was incorporated later. At first, practically no one fit your incorrect interpretation of NBC. The original intent was to use natural law. That had been defined by the Greeks and Romans.
@UncontestedTruth Yes, "simple" citizenship absolutely wasn't the issue. The issue was allegience to America and the Constitution, over any other country. We are clearly not going to go anywhere else on this, for we disagree. But, if you let go of your intellectual judgment, and get down to brass tacks, the purpose of the clause was to ensure know-one was president who had allegience or split allegience to any other country. THAT is the actual issue.
@leeuniverse Where is anything you said in the Constitution? Article, Section, clause. You cant speak for the law. Scholars have studied the document for years. What knowledge or understanding do you have that has eluded all those to work in the 3 branches of government since the beginning of America? Who are you to interpret the law for the law?
@UncontestedTruth Neither of our interpretations history, articles, laws, etc. actually matter. What matters is the INTENT of the Founders. The intent was absolutely clear, & that was to prevent anyone from being President who didn't have FULL Allegiance to America. All interpretations to try and say something else doesn't change THAT SIMPLE FACT. So, where does your allegiance reside, to liberalism & Obama, or the ideology's of the founders which made this country the greatest in the world?
@UncontestedTruth If you where with the law, you wouldn't keep trying to change it according to your marxist socialist image. Allowing criminals to vote, allowing illegals to vote, ignoring the constitutional intent, trying to take away guns the right to self defense, allowing a non-natural born citizen to be President, a man who's allegience is clearly in question etc. You ignore history & the law, selectively quoting it, to make Obama as natural born, when the full picture says otherwise.
@leeuniverse Marxist socialist? First, the wording is superfluous. Second Marxism is an economic policy which has NOTHING to do with what this discussion is about. So....what? Since when did I say anything about voting? Youre just making things up. DONT speak for me and then criticize what YOU say as if that is MY viewpoint. So idiotic. Selectively quoting? The law either says something or it doesnt. Again where is your degree in interpretation of the law?
@leeuniverse Just for the sake of argument. If Obama isnt a natural born citizen by your standards, then what is he? He cant be naturalized. Congress set up naturalization laws as directed in Article 1 section 8 and it [the law] says he doesnt fit. And theres only 2 types of citizens. He is either natural born or he is naturalized as said in the constitution [the law]. So which is he? Might wanna figure that one out.
@UncontestedTruth He is simply a Citizen.... He was born here. He wasn't born to two parents, thus not natural born, and he didn't come here and become a citizen, thus not a naturalized citizen. Someone simply "born here" is not eligible to be President, such as someone born to illegals. A natural born citizen is someone born to citizens. As such, there are not only "two" qualifications of citizen, there are actually THREE. There is citizen by birth place, natural born, & naturalized.
@leeuniverse The constitution only states 2 ways to acquire citizenship. You are giving three? Neither the constitution nor any law supports your claim of 3 ways to aquire citizenship. You preach about the implications and intent behind the constitution but dont actually follow what it says nor does what you say make sense. VERY hypocritical. Until you mend this hypocrisy your argument is null. Unless you can show me where the constitution or derivitive law supports your claim then you are wrong
@UncontestedTruth I've already told you that the liberal line IGNORES important facts and laws of the issue, THAT is why you think there is only "two". But there are three.... Please use your brain beyond your liberal programing. Common sense should tell you that there is "citizen by birth", not only natural born, and not only naturalized. Don't believe me, just expand your brain and learn more.
@UncontestedTruth 1. Constitutional Convention, Hamilton submitted his plan, John Jay wrote a letter to Washington explaining that the President should not be allowed to those with foreign allegiances, only those who are natural born citizens. Article changed to "natural born citizen".
@UncontestedTruth 2. John Bingham later opined on the subject, made clear that the intent of the natural born clause was the parents had to be citizenS. Note, he is also the chief author of the 14 Amendment, which you believe justifies your claims, nullifying the Naturalization Act. Further, the 14 Amendment does not nullify the original Article, it adds & clarifies. The natural born clause is still valid, & was ALWAYS known to mean that a natural born citizen was a citizen born to citizenS.
@leeuniverse ALL courts have ruled in my favor. None in yours. You make things up that I NEVER said. When did I even mention the 14th amendment? Did I even say the word "amendment" in ANY of my comments prior to this? The Naturalization Act of 1790 was nullified by the Naturalization Act of 1795. That simple fact DESTROYS your points about the Act in 1790. Yet instead of researching, you spout ignorance. Oh and if "natural" refers to heritage, Obama inherited citizenship from his mom. Good job.
@UncontestedTruth A half-breed German Sheperd with a Pit Bull does not make a natural born Pit Bull..... So no, he is not a "natural born". Such a person is born to TWO Citizens, as it was always viewed. Not true that "all" courts have ruled in your favor, further proof that you ignore facts to make your claims. Plus, that doesn't do you any good, judicial activism is not a moral principle. Unless you wish to claim Court approved Abortion as being moral and right, and Gov responsibility.
@leeuniverse That dog comparison was stupid. "German shepherd" is the equivalent to human RACES not citizenship. ALL courts have ruled in my favor. Know why I can say that? Because what I say IS THE LAW. Courts cant just ignore the law. That would defeat the very purpose of courts. So that is "further proof that you ignore fact to make your claims." This has nothing to do with "morals and right."I wasnt even talking about right or wrong. I was talking about law. Youre losing credibility rapidly.
@leeuniverse Except that Bingham did not write the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, Senator Jacob Howe of Michigan did. Bimgham, years after the fact, was only giving his opinion, which carries no more weight than yours or mine. There is nothing that states that NBC requires two citizen parents. You lose again.
@UncontestedTruth Listen, just because some courts have "ruled" in your favor, not all have, and especially reading the disenting opinions. One must still go back to the ORIGINAL intent and meaning. Your wanting to rely on liberal law and legal opinions, does not make your case. My case is the original intent, the original meaning of the word, etc. Obama is a "native born citizen", but not a natural born citizen. Also look at the word itself. "Natural" refers to heritage, not birth place.
@leeuniverse Well the Supreme Court in Wong Kim Ark v.US traced the origin of natural born citizen back to English common law and showed that children of aliens born in the UK and its colonies were natural born subjects of the Crown.The Court then showed that this doctrine was in effect at the time of the writing of the Constitution;Obama is a natural born citizen.
@leeuniverse From where do you get that the intent of the Founders was that NBC require two citizen parents? That is nowhere to be found in their writings nor in the Constitution nor in 230+ years of law. THE SIMPLE FACT is that you are wrong.
@leeuniverse If your children were born in the US and by the age of 23 renounce their Chinese citizenship, then they would be eligible to run for President someday (if they fulfill the other 2 requirements). You truly know nothing about this issue from what you have been posting.
@leeuniverse The Supreme Court recognizes only TWO citizenships: natural born or naturalized ,no not a third one that's birthers BS. If a person is born in US that person is NBC, by jus soli principle, read about it. Educate yourself before posting.
@clarity023 No they don't..... As someone who has three children with a non-citizen of the U.S. know very well the laws. Even my children are not eligible to be President because of their non-citizen mother, and I'm true blue American/Citizen, and so are my children. However, I wouldn't want them to be president either, because they are currently living in Malaysia, thus their allegiances will be split, not solely to the U.S., JUST LIKE OBAMA, which the law was made to prevent.
@leeuniverse NO, NBC does not mean being born of 2 citizen parents. In fact, there is no legal definition of what NBC means exactly. You have no clue as to what you are speaking of.
@clarity023 1. Clearly I'm talking to an ostrig with head in the sand. 2. That's what Natural Born means, it's the definition. Don't believe me, read the history and caselaws yourself, I have, what's your malfunction?. 3. Clearly you're with head in sand to ignore facts and arguments simply because you have a bias against the so-called "source". And the video WASN'T made by a "birther". If you had actually watched it, you would know this. The Birth certificate is irrelevant to this issue.
@leeuniverse Actually the Constitution does not clearly spell out who is eligible for the Presidency.It does not define natural born citizen.
However since the passage of the 14th Amendment,natural born citizen has come to be interpreted as someone who is born a citizen of the U.S as opposed to someone who was naturalized after birth.
@johndgray1 I know it doesn't clearly spell out the meaning of natural born, but it's implied. No, the 14th Amendment doesn't do what you claim it does. Someone "born" in the U.S. is considered a Citizen, compared to a naturalized citizen which occurs after. Just bc some morons in government such as Hawaii's record lady improperly used the term "natural born citizen" when describing Obama's cert doesn't change what the term has always meant even today. An NBC is someone born to "citizens".
@leeuniverse Well the Federal courts have the final say on what the Constitution actually means and they have ruled that the 14th Amendment defines who is and who is not a natural born citizen,so YOU'RE WRONG AGAIN.
@johndgray1 True, the courts have determined that, but you are actually wrong, they have determined that a natural born citizen is one born to "citizens" of the United States, and they've done it like 2 or three times. Not only that, but even refering to English common law for the definition of what "natural born" means. So sorry, you are wrong again. Listen, I don't give a rats behind if he is natural born or not, I despize the guy all alone by who he is, but the rules are the rules.
@johndgray1 Even futher if you don't believe me, Obama HIMSELF when they were questioning McCain's eligibility states that Obama's not a natural born citizen, though not intentionally doing so, instead stating the law that applies, which states that McCain is a "natural born citizen because he was born to CITIZENS" plural. Watch the video "Exactly What IS a Natural Born Citizen?".
@leeuniverse IN the non-binding Senate Resolution which Obama co-sponsored to help McCain with his nuisance suits, it is stated that children born to 2 citizen parents outside the US and its Territories should be considered NBC. This case does not apply to Obama since he was born in Hawaii. You have no clue as to what you are posting.
@leeuniverse Where is it implied? How is it implied? Let's say that parental citizenship was implied, show me where it is made clear that two citizen parents are needed as opposed to only the father being a citizen or the mother being a citizen. Show me where it states that citizenship need only be the parents and not the grandparents as well. You can not because there is no evidence of the Founders' meaning when it come to NBC. You lose.
@w7qho Actually, it most certainly IS defined in the Constitution, but does so "indirectly" in the natural born clause statement itself. It has a "grandfather clause" in the statement. In other words, the clause in question delineates between those who were not natural born, i.e. the founders, and those who needed to be in the future to be eligible to be president. Further, there is title law and court cases which makes clear the definition of natural born.
@leeuniverse NO, "indirectly," "implied," etc., do not constitute inclusion. Subsequent title law and court cases have indeed clarified the term and the issue of presidential eligibility but these do not constitute or equate to a constitutional amendment.
@w7qho I know that, but Natural Born is natural born. The term was writen in there because it was known what the term meant, and subsequent rulings, title law etc., and what was in the founders minds has made clear what the term means, that is someone born to two citizens makes a "natural born citizen". The right of the people to bear arms is also not "defined" in the Constitution, but it says what it means, and subsequent law has made clear what it meant, as well as the founders intentions.
@leeuniverse The only one having an issue with Black or Negro as a race are the birthers. Nor Congress or the Republicans. BTW Black or Negro is an American term, African WAS consider a race back then. Africans considers themselves as Africans go read a book and educate yourself.
@tgear77 Sorry, I wouldn't be saying it if it was wrong. I've studied the issue thoroughly. You are wrong in your judgments of the issue. I go to the facts related to the "intent" of the Constitution's wording. Absence of enough "facts" in YOUR mind which proves my point doesn't change what the intent was. Further, the very fact of who Obama is, has acted proves the very thing they were afraid of. A Manchurian candidate, someone who's truly NOT patriotic and who's allegiances are split.
@leeuniverse Sorry, but just because you are saying it does not make it right. Once again, neither you nor anyone else can prove the "intent" of the Founders in placing the term Natural Born Citizen into the Constitution. If such 'facts' existed, then by now, someone in authority would have challenged Obama on it. Idiots like yourself, who hate Obama which such intensity that it blinds them to truth and logic, always ignore the obvious. Were what you are charging to be true actually was, then...
@tgear77 (cont) someone in the Clinton campaign, the Edwards campaign, the McCain campaign, the DNC, the RNC, the FEC, the GOP (when opposing Health Care Reform or the Stimulus.....) or any reporter looking for a big headline would have brought this up years ago. Yet they never did. Why is that? It would have won McCain the Presidency. The reason none of this occurred was there is nothing that requires a Presidential candidate born in the US to have 2 citizen parents. Give it up. You've lost.
@tgear77 there are a ton of relevant issues that the media dont address substantively. lts not as simple as looking for a big headline........the wrong headline will end a reporters career or life, depending on the importance of the issue, what was uncovered and the reporters tenacity in doing so. I voted for Obama and that makes it even worse that he does not produce the documentation
@TheWakeup011 First off, he has already provided documentation. He does not need to produce anything else. Second, while I agree that not everything important gets the proper coverage, something like this would have been jumped on by reporters. By claiming he is not eligible due to his father's nationality, there would be no worry about a reporter's career. This would be just putting the simple facts to paper. Obama is eligible and that is why he is the President.
@id493337 Such ignorance, yet so typical of a Birther.
1) Kenya did exist prior to 1963, it just was not independent of the British Commonwealth yet. Strike One!
2) Yes, it was. In fact, if one checks out the Nordyke twins BCs (the ones Birthers were using to prove Obama could not have been born there) you will find the same name on their BC. Strike Two!
3) On a BC, the nurse writes down whatever answer the parent(s) provide to the question. There is no "official government" answer...
@tgear77 (cont) Even though I am a white Irish American, had I answered "Korean" when asked by the nurse while filling out the forms for any one of my 4 kids, that is what she would have had to write down. If Ann Dunham answered "African" when asked about the race of the father, then the nurse was obligated to write it down. Strike 3 and you are out!
@id493337 If you want to argue his accomplishments as a President, fine. But it's these moronic Birthers spreading lies and innuendos that burn me up. They deserve to be shown up as the moronic assholes they are.
@id493337 I post nothing on the basis of having heard someone else say it. I research everything. Part of it is because I love to find things out. But also, I would hate to post something and then have it easily debunked by someone else. To be honest, sometimes doing the research is more fun than showing up one of these blowhard Birthers.
@tgear77 I appreciate that in your liberal mind when you are blind, that you just HAVE to attribute the other side with blindness, racism, or other ignorant & immoral judgment, but you are simply wrong. I would have the same problem if it was a conservative or a president I liked. I'm simply informed, while you are not enough. You are learned, and think you are wise, when you aren't. Anyway, I see the facts, and others see the facts, just because you don't that's all on you.
@leeuniverse No, I am not. Unlike your BS claim, I have actually researched this subject matter. You are wrong on every point you have presented. The simple fact is that the Founders never defined NBC in the matter that you believe and no court decision since the founding of the nation has determined the matter in the way you want. Obama, by virtue of his birth in Hawaii, is fully eligible to be President which explains why he still is in the Oval Office without challenge now. Give it up. You...
@tgear77 (cont) have yet to provide anything that would support your claim other than your opinion on the issue. Which is because there is nothing to support your claim. The sad part is that you use your children as props in your argument without ever realizing how wrong you are and how wrong that is.
@moomoopowa how has anything he's done..this "socialism" you speak of,how has it affected you..honestly,name one aspect of your life that has changed...just one. and he will be re-elected,so get used to it.
African is NOT a Race. Back in 1961 Blacks were called Negro. Therefore, no way this Document was printed in 1961, it has been Edited, to say the least.
@nignog87 African is NOT a Race. Back in 1961 Blacks were called Negro.....if your from America. and you leave out that option to name your own. African is NOT a Race, yes it is, black and negro are only descriptors.
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@nignog87 In 1961 African-Americans were referred to as "Negro".President Obama's father was not an African-American, he was African,therefore under race he was described as "African".
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@nignog87 Chinese and Japanese aren't race either,but the would have shown up on a birth certificate in Hawaii too.Again African-Americans were referred to as "Negro" and His father was not African -American and would have been classified as African instead.
Obama is only a native born citizen of USA if he was actually born in Honolulu, Hawaii and not Mombasa, Kenya as it is widely claimed. But to qualify to run for office of US President one has to be a Natural Born Citizen. A Natural Born Citizen is one who is born in USA to parents who are both legal citizens of USA. Obama's father was a citizen of Kenya, so this menas Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen but only a Native Born Citizen of USA. That is not enough to be eligible for President.
@prajna8 Obama is only a native born citizen....the native and natural born are interchangeable. source for this US v Wong Kim Ark (p.s. there are only 2 types of citizenship Natural born, or naturalized, anything else would be a subset) A Natural Born Citizen is one who is born in USA to parents who are both legal citizens....only if born aboard. if born on US soil the citizenship of the parents means nothing(unless diplomats or enemy) Source US v Low Hong.
@noliesundead No, U are wrong, dear. But then it is difficult to explain because of word limit here. Natural Born is not the same as Native born and is not interchangable in the case of running for US President which is a whole different ball game altogether. Obama fails the Natural Born test in many instances, not just one. Obama's case is so complex that his application should have been thrown out by Howard Dean. Obama's Natural Born status is so laughable because he is now even President .
wouldn`t it be wild if we arrested him and exicuted him on the spot as an enemy combatant and then anounce to the world that a communist revolution will be a success as soon as hell freezes over and that shit like he and the rest of them tried to pull, will not be tollerated
19or50 1 day ago
@19or50 Obamas is a far left liberal who supports european socialist,communist, ideas,big government,take from the working give to the non working.never been hired by a poor person yet. he just needs to be removed from office and save our economy an way of life.nothing racial about it . just that Obama is really bad, as we all can see now, for america. along with the rest of the democrats.broke worse than ever with him. vote him out
TheBell1423 1 day ago
Obama is not a natural born citizen ,and there for not allowed to be president. Hes father was not a us citizen. only hes mother , you must be of parents that are both born here in the us ,to be a natural born citizen.also he was taken to indonesia to live at age 3 ,was listed as a citizen of that country then.Obama is a fraud ,in office because of liberal , socialist,communist, far left people and the liberal news media.who bluffed the many dumb voters out there into voting him into office.
TheBell1423 2 days ago
@TheBell1423 Obama's mom was not a citizen long enough for Obama to be considered a citizen. The law stated at the time of his birth is, that if only one parent was a US citizen at the time, they would have had to live in the US for 10 yrs and 5 of those years would have to be over the age of 16. Obama's mom was only 18 when Obama was born.
MrOTLChamp 1 day ago
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@MrOTLChamp "Obama's mom was not a citizen long enough for Obama to be considered a citizen. The law stated at the time of his birth is, that if only one parent was a US citizen at the time, they would have had to live in the US for 10 yrs and 5 of those years would have to be over the age of 16. Obama's mom was"
Obama's mom was a Natural born CITIZEN she was born in Kansas. Obama was born in Hawaii he didn't needed his mom to be a NBC he was born in US soil. The law is the same. cont.
clarity023 1 day ago
@MrOTLChamp cont. Do you know how many teens and having babies in the US every day? Their babies if born in US soil are natural born citizens, the mother's age is irrelevant. Born here=natural born , you are recycling a stupid birther idea that was debunked long time ago. Stop using drugs!
clarity023 1 day ago
@clarity023 You obviously misunderstood what the law said. US Law very clearly stipulates: ".If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16." Barack Obama's father was not a U.S. citizen and Obama's mother was only 18 when Obama was born, which means though she had been a U.S. citizen for 10 years, cont....
MrOTLChamp 12 hours ago
@clarity023 (or citizen perhaps because of Hawai'i being a territory) the mother fails the test for being so for at least 5 years **prior to** Barack Obama's birth, but *after* age 16. It doesn't matter *after*.
This law was in place from December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986?
MrOTLChamp 12 hours ago
@MrOTLChamp" the mother fails the test for being so for at least 5 years **prior to** Barack Obama's birth" Where is the evidence of that? What law? Show me her passport with the stamp that she was not in the US, go ahead, show Congress.
clarity023 11 hours ago
@clarity023 Watch this: /lnAoY_i5UGY It was on national tv.
Where is your evidence that this is not true?
clarity023 11 hours ago
@TheBell1423 You said Obama is not natural born because his father was not US citizen, what about 7 other presidents? or Romney, did you know that his father was born in Mexico? or Santorum? his father was Italian. So what if he was taken to Indonesia at age 6 not 3, the only fraud here are the birthers, trying to remove an eligible president you should be in jail for sedition and promoting violence toward the president. Ignorant go read a book or two.
clarity023 1 day ago
@clarity023 facts are: george romney,mitts dad, by us law was considered a natural born citizen ,due to him being borned to two american citizens.doesnt matter were they are at the time.granted at birth as long as parents are both us citizens. the law when Obama was borned ,parents have to have lived here for 10yrs,and at least 5 yrs after the age of 16,before a childs birth. Obamas mother was 18 when he was borned and obamas father, has never been a american citizen. ignorant
TheBell1423 1 day ago
@TheBell1423 James Madison, The Founders’ Constitution Volume 2, Article 1, Section 2, Clause 2, Document 6 (1789)
“It is an established maxim, received by all political writers, that every person owes a natural allegiance to the government of that country in which he is born. Allegiance is defined to be a tie, that binds the subject to the state, and in consequence of his obedience, he is entitled to protection…
cont'd
clarity023 1 day ago
@TheBell1423 cont'd The children of aliens, born in this state, are considered as natural born subjects, and have the same rights with the rest of the citizens.”
Obama was born in US soil (Hawaii) read what Madison said look in the Constitution stop reading WnutDaily, or birthers site, not reliable. Born in US soil=natural.native born.
You are the ignorant and you CAN'T change our laws, even children of illegal aliens born here are NATURAL BORN CITIZENS, GROW A BRAIN.
clarity023 1 day ago
@TheBell1423 Go to h t t p : / / w w w . usconstitution . net / consttop _ cit i . html
Read the 8 topics who is a natural born citizen and who can be president NO two citizens, parent if the child is born IN US soil. Read the definition of JUS SOLI. Now who is the ignorant?.....YOU. Obama is your eligible natural president. End of story.
clarity023 1 day ago
@clarity023 as usual ,far left liberals when confronted with anything not to their beliefs ,or to the support of their commie leaders,Obama ect,attack name calling ,ignorant,nazis,redneck,screaming and so on. Like Obama ,blow smoke up rears, keep on the attack ,blame bush ,do anything to cover ,the failure,of their liberal leaders and the record they have had so far.one thing is for sure ,over three yrs of Obama has broke the country ,nothing has helped,high ever thing vote him out
TheBell1423 1 day ago
@TheBell1423 Did you see the video? Did you read the 8 topics? Did you learn that Obama is NBC and that you don't need 2 American parents to be natural born? Oh well good. Have a nice day.
clarity023 1 day ago
He is african born and not eligible. Americans dont like Russians and they are white so lets quit the race bullcrap this time. Now: to fake his ideology for so long is a very serious crime.
TheTuboholic 3 weeks ago
@TheTuboholic "He is african... let quit the race bullcrap this time"
YES is racism!
Then why are you claiming he is African when you know it's not true . He was born in Hawaii and there's overwhelming evidence about it. Why the birthers are not calling Romney the Mexican , by now everybody knows his father was born in MEXICO.
clarity023 2 weeks ago
@clarity023 Ok if this is racism my name is Mickey Mouse, nice to meet you.
TheTuboholic 2 weeks ago
@TheTuboholic I see you're registered all over the county "Mickey"Ha ha ha da dems-B-loonies
eddyjames1952 2 weeks ago
@clarity023 Romney is one of the worst scumbag I have ever seen. I would rather have Obama in power. But Obama is just not eligible.
TheTuboholic 2 weeks ago
@TheTuboholic Show me why he is not eligible. Cite the law and show evidence.
clarity023 2 weeks ago
@clarity023 how about THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES? Watch the video again. I dont need to clarify your mind. Search yourself for evidence and clarify this. If you want to keep lying to yourself, it is not my problem.
TheTuboholic 2 weeks ago
@clarity023 Here's your evidence. Here's the latest on your hero.
Court papers dated 1/26/12 The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program. To qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship. Obama is not a US citizen. He is a fraud. WAKE UP!
Let this serve as a message to all you idiots that support this criminal.
MrOTLChamp 3 days ago
@MrOTLChamp That court paper is bs .When Obama attended Occidental College he used his name Barack Obama not Soetoro, that lie was debunked long time ago by Jim Tranquada the director of communications. Recycling old debunked lies wont make it true even if you repeat them. You birthers are an embarrasment for our country, get lost of move to Canada!
clarity023 3 days ago
@clarity023 Jim Tranquada could not have debunked it, because the records have never been released. All obummer has to do is say OK, and the records will be released. But he refuses to. Not to mention the judge in atlanta said there is enough evidence proving obummer is not a citizen, that the court hearing WILL continue. Also Georgia, at this point will not even put obummer on the ballot.
MrOTLChamp 2 days ago
@MrOTLChamp Who is obummer? I don't know him.
clarity023 2 days ago
@clarity023 You know who obummer is.
MrOTLChamp 2 days ago
@MrOTLChamp No I don't know him. Sorry.
clarity023 2 days ago
@clarity023 That's exactly why you shouldn't do drugs.
They don't call it dope because it makes you smarter.
MrOTLChamp 1 day ago
@MrOTLChamp Really? the drugs can make you smarter? Wow no wonder you're a birther.
clarity023 1 day ago
there only attacking him because he black
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Obama the will try to steal your certificate so hide it well because this man is racist
swag2k100 1 month ago
white supremists are using an american president's ethnic background as an excuse to make a RACIST propaganda video.
interstellarwonder 1 month ago
This guy is the biggest fraud ive ever heard of... No, not Obama, this guy here talking! You have to be an idiot to think obama was born elsewhere.
zulonz 1 month ago
yep yep. LOL.
jeremyoyer1 2 months ago
If the US president was a white man and there was controversy as to whether he was US born, he would have been pounced upon before he was even elected but they are afraid to pounce on Obama just because he's black out of fear of being lableled RACIST.
unhooked25 2 months ago 3
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You do realise that his full birth cert was presented. Please don't be one of those retards that thinks it's not an authentic U.S. birth cert or some other crazy belief,..
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@unhooked25 of course not...that has never happened before...and you could not be more wrong
MrNarwhalbacon 2 weeks ago
@MrNarwhalbacon That may not have happened before but there could always be a first time and this just might be it. And you say I could not be more wrong? Well I'll bet anyone a ten to a pound of shit that I'm not.
unhooked25 2 weeks ago
This faggot clearly doesn't care for the constitution, he's just racist.
ThePerishable 2 months ago
One more thing. What White woman is going to go to Kenya for a very brief period to have her baby? How about finding documentation of where Obamas mother was when he was born?
armourdude1 3 months ago
I really belive he was born in Hawaii. But it where he was raised that should be the real concern.
armourdude1 3 months ago
Wait if Obama wouldn't have won the elections and if john Mc cain would have won would you have impeached him too?no because he is white...but he wasn't born in U.S. grounds he was born in PANAMA in a military base!!!!
ismacruz100 3 months ago
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I am a white men and I find an American McCain is worse then an Muslim Obama... Not saying they are but you get my point. Because McCain is trying to pass the national defense authorization bill.
id493337 1 month ago
The Constitution leaves no room for doubt upon this subject. The words 'natural born citizen of the United states' appear in it, and the other provision appears in it that, "Congress shall have power to pass a uniform system of naturalization." To naturalize a person is to admit him to citizenship. Who are natural born citizens but those born within the Republic? Those born within the Republic, whether black or white, are citizens by birth--natural born citizens.
John Bingham
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This nigger is a fraud.
StartTheRaceWar 3 months ago
fuck illuminati .. killuminati ...
Tupacbldz 4 months ago
if he is not a us citizen why they aint impeach him? cause that's a load of shit (CHARTERCRUZE) you need to open your ears the white hateful people (not all of them) made this a raciest thing, everybody no this is the only president who had to deal with all this stupid bullshit everybody been talking about it, i no you heard it we fuck up as people when we let (BUSH) have two terms he spent all the money im done with this situation no use arguing (VOTE) cause all this name calling need to stop
dazjah00 5 months ago
All the people so concerned about obama, and who the president is, when will you people learn the president is just a puppet. Presidents come and go, but the agenda is still always the same, its still all about money and power once you cut around all the bullshit. Wake up people its the corporations behind the curtain pulling the strings we need to bring justice to. Not the puppet that tells us their message.
NY10909 6 months ago
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Obama is a clever fellow who imbibed hatred of America with his mother’s milk, worked his way up the ladder of education & career.
He shares resentment of Muslims against the encroachment of American culture, although not their religion. Hes lives with his subjects, learns their language & elicits their hopes & fears & remains at a emotional distance. He's equivalent of a sociopath. The difference is ,hes practicing not on a primitive tribe but on the population of the USA .
onstageagain 6 months ago
Obama Is Not A Natural Born U.S. Citizen And Is Ineligible For The Presidency... WHAT A LOAD OF B.S.
joegreaser 6 months ago
@joegreaser did you even watched the video dumbass?
baker707 6 months ago
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joegreaser 6 months ago
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@baker707 Whats the difference? I commented on the title dumber-ass
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abdietrich12 6 months ago
@lavieinrose1 No, I don't think Obama's grandmother said " Obama is a native of this village" would get him out of office nor do I think that a report by the Associated Press, a pro-Obama news agency, telling the truth that Obama was Kenyan-born would get him out of office.
I remember in the story of Troy, once the Trojan horse revealed its real identity, the people could not get rid of it. I believe someday history will tell the truth that Obama was Kenyan born and it's not funny.
simon6071 6 months ago
hey dude in the beginning, stfu
PrivationProductions 6 months ago
ILLUMINATI TV?
macfanleapord 6 months ago
your daddy aint a us citizen.. get your tea party ass off of you tube !!! yall got his birth cirtificate now what ? yall cant stand that a black man in the white house be real speak the truth since yall speaking it
dazjah00 6 months ago
@dazjah00 Problem is its not a real birth certificate hes not a US citizen you can use that race card all you want but your still wrong and you sound like a raciest or your just really stupid.He is a islamic from Kenya so he needs to be Inpeached
Chartercruze 6 months ago
@dazjah00
1.learn how to put a sentence together.
2.the birth certificate has already been proven to be a fake.
theshow2k8 5 months ago
@theshow2k8 - i graduated in 2003 i put shit the way i want it this aint no class room i pay this internet service. If it's fake why he still in office? why uncul tom aint impeach him? cause yall cant touch him hook up with fox 5 and find something that will stick he has my vote along with alot other.
dazjah00 5 months ago
please stop this your only herding your self I mean I now you want to say it his that niger in the white house so say it and go to sleep I now you don't like him, but this really his ridiculous...
nanky432 6 months ago
@uncontestedtruth My Allegiance #is to the #Republic , to #Democracy ! #LOL
Fjallgeirr 7 months ago
Obama #FAIL Truth #FTW
Fjallgeirr 7 months ago
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"It thus clearly appears by the law of England for the last three centuries,beginning before the settlement of this country,and continuing to the present day,aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the crown of England,were within...the jurisdiction of the English sovereign;and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural born subject,unless the child of an ambassador..."
johndgray1 7 months ago
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In wong Kim Ark v. the Supreme Court traced the phrase "Natural born citizen" back to English common law and showed that it applied to children of aliens born in the UK and its colonies.The Court also showed that this legal doctrine was in force at the time of the Declaration of Independence and the writing of the Constitution.
Obama is a natural born citizen.
johndgray1 7 months ago
Would you agree that applying to a U.S. university and signing that he was a foreign student applying and accepting U.S. funds designated only for foreign students would be a repudiation after attaining majority age? Would you agree that traveling on a foreign passport is evidence of the desire to retain foreign citizenship? Would you agree that maintaining TWO foreign passports while seeking to establish U.S. citizenship (even if by his mere presence on the soil of,) conflicts our law?
mediatingmensan 7 months ago
@mediatingmensan It might, but none of that applies to Obama. Why don't you try using the facts before making a fool of yourself again?
tgear77 4 months ago
What if he repudiated the U.S., which is highly probable as a student in Indonesia. Then, he would have had to take affirmative steps as an adult to re-affirm his citizenship after his parent(s) gave it up. He did no re-affirmation of citizenship. This is not a simple issue. Firstly, disregard what the current law of hawaii is. It is irrelevant! The controlling law was 1-when he was born, 2- when he needed to reaffirm his allegiance to the U.S.
mediatingmensan 7 months ago
@mediatingmensan Declarations by a minor(and President Obama was not 18 years old when he lived in Indonesia) are not valid as it is assumed that minors do not have the required maturity to renounce U.S citizenship.
johndgray1 7 months ago
@mediatingmensan Under US law, a child who is a US citizenship CAN NOT lose his US citizenship while in another country, regardless of the intent of the custodial parent. Even if he had gained Indonesian citizenship while living there, he never lost his US citizenship. He did not need to reaffirm his allegiance to the US when he returned to live in Hawaii at age 10. Sure would help if you had a clue as to what you were posting.
tgear77 4 months ago
He was born to an American woman. That makes him American. It does not matter where he was born in the world he is considered because of his mom.
derkinator90210 7 months ago
@derkinator90210 Wrong..... The constitution clearly states who is allowed to be president, and it's a natural born citizen, and natural born citizens were always someone born to two citizens, not one. The clause was put in their specifically to help prevent someone like Obama from being president, someone who's allegiances were split, someone who doesn't actually love this country as it was founded and is, but wants to change it, making it socialist, marxist, and fascist to cement Dem power.
leeuniverse 7 months ago
@leeuniverse Really? born to two citizens? What about Buchanan and Arthur? Both had Irish parents!
Wong Kim (2 Chinese parents not naturalized) the Supreme Court decided he was a natural born.
Mitt Romney's father was born in MEXICO! Even children of illegal immigrants born here are NBC go read the Constitution. Obama was born HERE of an American mother, he is 100% American. Grow a brain!
clarity023 7 months ago
@clarity023 Jibber jabbing liberal junk you don't actually know the details of. Buchanan's parents were in the U.S. when the Constitution was ratified, thus they qualified as citizens under the grandfather clause. Arthur succeeded the Presidency after Garfield was assassinated, he didn't directly seek the office of presidency. Since anyone down the line could be president by succession, not having to have had citizen parents at the time of birth, his not fitting the clause isn't unreasonable.
leeuniverse 7 months ago
@clarity023 However, even if "technically" he likely shouldn't have been president, a past mistake by government does not excuse Obama's intentional actions. Obama's a constitutionalist, and not only that, but oversaw McCains being questioned about his own qualifications to be president, and thus new very well the law. Naturalized citizen is not the same as "natural born" citizens. Learn English. As to Romney, Romney's father was a citizen, thus Romney qualifies.
leeuniverse 7 months ago
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@leeuniverse Obama said on national tv during his campaign in 2008 that his father was from Kenya. Why hasn´t the Republican party, Congress, the Senate, SCOTUS, or any other official body done anything about it?
Your argument is stupid you just don't want to admit he is a natural born. You're an idiot.
clarity023 7 months ago
@clarity023 What does illegal immigrants have to do with anything? A citizen is not a natural born citizen. Natural Born citizen means being born to two U.S. citizens. This has always been the meaning of the term. The founders put it in the constitution for a purpose, and put the grandfather clause in for themselves for a purpose. If your claim was true, there would have been no need for the grandfather clause. Watch this video and YOU "get a brain": youtube com /watch?v=QEnaAZrYqQI
leeuniverse 7 months ago
@leeuniverse I'm just citing that if a child of an illegal immigrant is born in US soil he/she is consider NBC he/she can even run for president. Please cite me the law word from word stating that you need "2 citizen parents" to be natural born, cite the Amendment, clause all. Believing in birtherism causes brain damage, remember that.Go Check where Mitt Romney's father was born and he is running! No grandfather clause bs. just cite the law word for word.
clarity023 7 months ago
@clarity023 No he/she isn't. Watch the video, and even Obama himself states he doesn't qualify when he applies the law to McCaine. One such act is called the "Naturalization Act of 1790". It defines what a natural born citizen is quote: "the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens". There are other examples out there, such as in the video. Note the word "citizens" plural.
leeuniverse 7 months ago
@leeuniverse blah, blah, blah. You cant change what is stated in US laws: Born here=natural born.
Why do you think all the 76+ lawsuits against Obama's eligibility have been dumped?
Facts are facts. He was born here and his mother was American. Case closed.
clarity023 7 months ago
@clarity023 No it doesn't, it means "born here", not natural born. Can your brain understand the difference between "born" and the addition of the "natural"? I don't recall it being "76", but if you actually read most of the reasons "why" they were dropped is because of "lack of jurisdiction", etc., not because Obama has been proven to be natural born. If the courts haven't even allowed argumentation, how can you say you've won???
leeuniverse 7 months ago
@clarity023 Not case closed, his father WAS NOT born here, thus he doesn't qualify to be president per the constitution. Further, I've quoted you actual U.S. Law, and various videos quote you actual U.S. law, and they ALL say a natural born citizen is someone born to "citizens" PLURAL, NOT "singular" like you claim. You however have quoted not a single law proving your claim. Your feelings are not fact, you do not show fact to prove your position. Just admit it, you are in love with Obama.
leeuniverse 7 months ago
@leeuniverse The naturalization act of 1790 was nullified in before the end of the century. Point dismissed. There are 2 types of American citizens. natural born (citizen at birth), eligible for president. naturalized (alien at birth) uneligible. Why dont you go see who the USCIS and State Department of Foreign Affairs(AKA the government) counts as a citizen at birth. That should clear up your confusion. Or if you continue in ignorance, I will provide links and/or examples.
UncontestedTruth 7 months ago
@UncontestedTruth Sorry, I've studied for myself all the history and claims on the issue, including the liberal side, and the liberal side OMITS important and key history and legal judgments in order to make your claims, as well as the always known meaning of the term itself. We are talking the intent of the Constitution itself, not the liberal legal winding and interpretations since while ignoring the other case law. Liberals always' try to change law to make it work in their favor.
leeuniverse 7 months ago
@leeuniverse Blame libs? For 200 years the 3 branches of government have been forming the USC. The very idea of Jus naturale has been accepted since the adoption of the Constitution in America. Jus sanguinis is inhereted citizenship. It only requires 1 parent to inherent citizenship. While Jus naturale was started by Greeks, Jus soli and Jus sanguinis are both recognized as Roman principles. Look up Roman philosophers such as Marcus Aurelius and Cicero. The Constitution accepted these principles
UncontestedTruth 7 months ago
@UncontestedTruth Citizenship is not the issue, the issue is natural born. To be natural born, one must be born to "citizens", plural, not singlular. That was always the meaning of the law from since the writings put it in the Constitution. People trying to have their own definitions since, or variety's before doesn't change the fact.
leeuniverse 7 months ago
@leeuniverse Beyond that, it doesnt matter what you say. Your definition and the Romans definition and most importanty, the laws definition are different. I dont know what you follow nor do I care. But I do care what America follows. Your viewpoint is irrelevant when faced with law. The Constitution (AKA the law) does NOT support your claims of requiring 2 citizen parents. That requirement has never been brought forth by law. You can whine incessantly. The law is the law. End of discussion.
UncontestedTruth 7 months ago
@UncontestedTruth Actually, the INTENT of the law is the actual law. Read my previous post. We can disagree and think our own judgment is the true judgment. But none of that matters, what matters is the intent of the Founders. Either your commited to the intent, or your commited to liberalism to make us just like and low as other country's. I believe in the values that established this country, to the be greatest in the world. You do not. You believe in changing those values, digressing.
leeuniverse 7 months ago
@UncontestedTruth Listen, even my own children cannot be President, & I'm true blue American and as Patriotic as can be, why, because their mother is Chinese from Malaysia. They are even living there now, and will for at least a couple more years, thus their allegiances are split. This example as well as Obama, is the VERY REASON for the natural born clause, to prevent such people who have split allegiances from being President. Forget everything you think about it, & get back to the intent!
leeuniverse 7 months ago
@leeuniverse Citizenship is not the issue? Yes it is. Its about whether he was a NBC or not. The Constitution does not support your claims. There has NEVER been a requirement of 2 citizens. Even when the Constitution was written. Back then Jus soli ruled and Jus sanguinis was incorporated later. At first, practically no one fit your incorrect interpretation of NBC. The original intent was to use natural law. That had been defined by the Greeks and Romans.
UncontestedTruth 7 months ago
@UncontestedTruth Yes, "simple" citizenship absolutely wasn't the issue. The issue was allegience to America and the Constitution, over any other country. We are clearly not going to go anywhere else on this, for we disagree. But, if you let go of your intellectual judgment, and get down to brass tacks, the purpose of the clause was to ensure know-one was president who had allegience or split allegience to any other country. THAT is the actual issue.
leeuniverse 7 months ago
@leeuniverse Where is anything you said in the Constitution? Article, Section, clause. You cant speak for the law. Scholars have studied the document for years. What knowledge or understanding do you have that has eluded all those to work in the 3 branches of government since the beginning of America? Who are you to interpret the law for the law?
UncontestedTruth 7 months ago
@UncontestedTruth Neither of our interpretations history, articles, laws, etc. actually matter. What matters is the INTENT of the Founders. The intent was absolutely clear, & that was to prevent anyone from being President who didn't have FULL Allegiance to America. All interpretations to try and say something else doesn't change THAT SIMPLE FACT. So, where does your allegiance reside, to liberalism & Obama, or the ideology's of the founders which made this country the greatest in the world?
leeuniverse 7 months ago
@leeuniverse My allegiance lies with America. My allegiance lies with the law. Yours seemingly does not.
UncontestedTruth 7 months ago
@UncontestedTruth If you where with the law, you wouldn't keep trying to change it according to your marxist socialist image. Allowing criminals to vote, allowing illegals to vote, ignoring the constitutional intent, trying to take away guns the right to self defense, allowing a non-natural born citizen to be President, a man who's allegience is clearly in question etc. You ignore history & the law, selectively quoting it, to make Obama as natural born, when the full picture says otherwise.
leeuniverse 7 months ago
@leeuniverse Marxist socialist? First, the wording is superfluous. Second Marxism is an economic policy which has NOTHING to do with what this discussion is about. So....what? Since when did I say anything about voting? Youre just making things up. DONT speak for me and then criticize what YOU say as if that is MY viewpoint. So idiotic. Selectively quoting? The law either says something or it doesnt. Again where is your degree in interpretation of the law?
UncontestedTruth 7 months ago
@leeuniverse Just for the sake of argument. If Obama isnt a natural born citizen by your standards, then what is he? He cant be naturalized. Congress set up naturalization laws as directed in Article 1 section 8 and it [the law] says he doesnt fit. And theres only 2 types of citizens. He is either natural born or he is naturalized as said in the constitution [the law]. So which is he? Might wanna figure that one out.
UncontestedTruth 7 months ago
@UncontestedTruth He is simply a Citizen.... He was born here. He wasn't born to two parents, thus not natural born, and he didn't come here and become a citizen, thus not a naturalized citizen. Someone simply "born here" is not eligible to be President, such as someone born to illegals. A natural born citizen is someone born to citizens. As such, there are not only "two" qualifications of citizen, there are actually THREE. There is citizen by birth place, natural born, & naturalized.
leeuniverse 7 months ago
@leeuniverse The constitution only states 2 ways to acquire citizenship. You are giving three? Neither the constitution nor any law supports your claim of 3 ways to aquire citizenship. You preach about the implications and intent behind the constitution but dont actually follow what it says nor does what you say make sense. VERY hypocritical. Until you mend this hypocrisy your argument is null. Unless you can show me where the constitution or derivitive law supports your claim then you are wrong
UncontestedTruth 7 months ago
@UncontestedTruth I've already told you that the liberal line IGNORES important facts and laws of the issue, THAT is why you think there is only "two". But there are three.... Please use your brain beyond your liberal programing. Common sense should tell you that there is "citizen by birth", not only natural born, and not only naturalized. Don't believe me, just expand your brain and learn more.
leeuniverse 7 months ago
@leeuniverse I am simply asking WHERE in the constitution it says so. Article, section, clause. Thats all you have to provide.
UncontestedTruth 7 months ago
@UncontestedTruth 1. Constitutional Convention, Hamilton submitted his plan, John Jay wrote a letter to Washington explaining that the President should not be allowed to those with foreign allegiances, only those who are natural born citizens. Article changed to "natural born citizen".
leeuniverse 7 months ago
@UncontestedTruth 2. John Bingham later opined on the subject, made clear that the intent of the natural born clause was the parents had to be citizenS. Note, he is also the chief author of the 14 Amendment, which you believe justifies your claims, nullifying the Naturalization Act. Further, the 14 Amendment does not nullify the original Article, it adds & clarifies. The natural born clause is still valid, & was ALWAYS known to mean that a natural born citizen was a citizen born to citizenS.
leeuniverse 7 months ago
@leeuniverse ALL courts have ruled in my favor. None in yours. You make things up that I NEVER said. When did I even mention the 14th amendment? Did I even say the word "amendment" in ANY of my comments prior to this? The Naturalization Act of 1790 was nullified by the Naturalization Act of 1795. That simple fact DESTROYS your points about the Act in 1790. Yet instead of researching, you spout ignorance. Oh and if "natural" refers to heritage, Obama inherited citizenship from his mom. Good job.
UncontestedTruth 7 months ago
@UncontestedTruth A half-breed German Sheperd with a Pit Bull does not make a natural born Pit Bull..... So no, he is not a "natural born". Such a person is born to TWO Citizens, as it was always viewed. Not true that "all" courts have ruled in your favor, further proof that you ignore facts to make your claims. Plus, that doesn't do you any good, judicial activism is not a moral principle. Unless you wish to claim Court approved Abortion as being moral and right, and Gov responsibility.
leeuniverse 7 months ago
@leeuniverse That dog comparison was stupid. "German shepherd" is the equivalent to human RACES not citizenship. ALL courts have ruled in my favor. Know why I can say that? Because what I say IS THE LAW. Courts cant just ignore the law. That would defeat the very purpose of courts. So that is "further proof that you ignore fact to make your claims." This has nothing to do with "morals and right."I wasnt even talking about right or wrong. I was talking about law. Youre losing credibility rapidly.
UncontestedTruth 7 months ago
@leeuniverse Except that Bingham did not write the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, Senator Jacob Howe of Michigan did. Bimgham, years after the fact, was only giving his opinion, which carries no more weight than yours or mine. There is nothing that states that NBC requires two citizen parents. You lose again.
tgear77 4 months ago
@UncontestedTruth Listen, just because some courts have "ruled" in your favor, not all have, and especially reading the disenting opinions. One must still go back to the ORIGINAL intent and meaning. Your wanting to rely on liberal law and legal opinions, does not make your case. My case is the original intent, the original meaning of the word, etc. Obama is a "native born citizen", but not a natural born citizen. Also look at the word itself. "Natural" refers to heritage, not birth place.
leeuniverse 7 months ago
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@leeuniverse Well the Supreme Court in Wong Kim Ark v.US traced the origin of natural born citizen back to English common law and showed that children of aliens born in the UK and its colonies were natural born subjects of the Crown.The Court then showed that this doctrine was in effect at the time of the writing of the Constitution;Obama is a natural born citizen.
johndgray1 7 months ago
@leeuniverse From where do you get that the intent of the Founders was that NBC require two citizen parents? That is nowhere to be found in their writings nor in the Constitution nor in 230+ years of law. THE SIMPLE FACT is that you are wrong.
tgear77 4 months ago
@leeuniverse If your children were born in the US and by the age of 23 renounce their Chinese citizenship, then they would be eligible to run for President someday (if they fulfill the other 2 requirements). You truly know nothing about this issue from what you have been posting.
tgear77 4 months ago
@leeuniverse The Supreme Court recognizes only TWO citizenships: natural born or naturalized ,no not a third one that's birthers BS. If a person is born in US that person is NBC, by jus soli principle, read about it. Educate yourself before posting.
clarity023 7 months ago
@clarity023 No they don't..... As someone who has three children with a non-citizen of the U.S. know very well the laws. Even my children are not eligible to be President because of their non-citizen mother, and I'm true blue American/Citizen, and so are my children. However, I wouldn't want them to be president either, because they are currently living in Malaysia, thus their allegiances will be split, not solely to the U.S., JUST LIKE OBAMA, which the law was made to prevent.
leeuniverse 7 months ago
@leeuniverse But again, you are wrong. They could very well become President someday if they were born in the US or its Territories.
tgear77 4 months ago
@leeuniverse NO, NBC does not mean being born of 2 citizen parents. In fact, there is no legal definition of what NBC means exactly. You have no clue as to what you are speaking of.
tgear77 4 months ago
@leeuniverse China is communist...
clarity023 7 months ago
@leeuniverse I see you can't cite the law stating "2 citizens parents" .
Go to Constitutional Topic: Citizenship read the 8 topics. NOTHING about 2 American parents.
That video was made by a birfer, not valid.
clarity023 7 months ago
@clarity023 1. Clearly I'm talking to an ostrig with head in the sand. 2. That's what Natural Born means, it's the definition. Don't believe me, read the history and caselaws yourself, I have, what's your malfunction?. 3. Clearly you're with head in sand to ignore facts and arguments simply because you have a bias against the so-called "source". And the video WASN'T made by a "birther". If you had actually watched it, you would know this. The Birth certificate is irrelevant to this issue.
leeuniverse 7 months ago
@leeuniverse Actually the Constitution does not clearly spell out who is eligible for the Presidency.It does not define natural born citizen.
However since the passage of the 14th Amendment,natural born citizen has come to be interpreted as someone who is born a citizen of the U.S as opposed to someone who was naturalized after birth.
johndgray1 7 months ago
@johndgray1 I know it doesn't clearly spell out the meaning of natural born, but it's implied. No, the 14th Amendment doesn't do what you claim it does. Someone "born" in the U.S. is considered a Citizen, compared to a naturalized citizen which occurs after. Just bc some morons in government such as Hawaii's record lady improperly used the term "natural born citizen" when describing Obama's cert doesn't change what the term has always meant even today. An NBC is someone born to "citizens".
leeuniverse 7 months ago
@leeuniverse Well the Federal courts have the final say on what the Constitution actually means and they have ruled that the 14th Amendment defines who is and who is not a natural born citizen,so YOU'RE WRONG AGAIN.
johndgray1 7 months ago
@johndgray1 True, the courts have determined that, but you are actually wrong, they have determined that a natural born citizen is one born to "citizens" of the United States, and they've done it like 2 or three times. Not only that, but even refering to English common law for the definition of what "natural born" means. So sorry, you are wrong again. Listen, I don't give a rats behind if he is natural born or not, I despize the guy all alone by who he is, but the rules are the rules.
leeuniverse 7 months ago
@leeuniverse Care to state the case and relevant decision?Sorry,you're just plain wrong.
johndgray1 7 months ago
@johndgray1 Even futher if you don't believe me, Obama HIMSELF when they were questioning McCain's eligibility states that Obama's not a natural born citizen, though not intentionally doing so, instead stating the law that applies, which states that McCain is a "natural born citizen because he was born to CITIZENS" plural. Watch the video "Exactly What IS a Natural Born Citizen?".
leeuniverse 7 months ago
@leeuniverse IN the non-binding Senate Resolution which Obama co-sponsored to help McCain with his nuisance suits, it is stated that children born to 2 citizen parents outside the US and its Territories should be considered NBC. This case does not apply to Obama since he was born in Hawaii. You have no clue as to what you are posting.
tgear77 4 months ago
@leeuniverse Where is it implied? How is it implied? Let's say that parental citizenship was implied, show me where it is made clear that two citizen parents are needed as opposed to only the father being a citizen or the mother being a citizen. Show me where it states that citizenship need only be the parents and not the grandparents as well. You can not because there is no evidence of the Founders' meaning when it come to NBC. You lose.
tgear77 4 months ago
"Natural borne is not defined ANYWHERE in the Constitution.
w7qho 8 months ago
@w7qho Actually, it most certainly IS defined in the Constitution, but does so "indirectly" in the natural born clause statement itself. It has a "grandfather clause" in the statement. In other words, the clause in question delineates between those who were not natural born, i.e. the founders, and those who needed to be in the future to be eligible to be president. Further, there is title law and court cases which makes clear the definition of natural born.
leeuniverse 7 months ago
@leeuniverse NO, "indirectly," "implied," etc., do not constitute inclusion. Subsequent title law and court cases have indeed clarified the term and the issue of presidential eligibility but these do not constitute or equate to a constitutional amendment.
w7qho 7 months ago
@w7qho I know that, but Natural Born is natural born. The term was writen in there because it was known what the term meant, and subsequent rulings, title law etc., and what was in the founders minds has made clear what the term means, that is someone born to two citizens makes a "natural born citizen". The right of the people to bear arms is also not "defined" in the Constitution, but it says what it means, and subsequent law has made clear what it meant, as well as the founders intentions.
leeuniverse 7 months ago
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@leeuniverse The only one having an issue with Black or Negro as a race are the birthers. Nor Congress or the Republicans. BTW Black or Negro is an American term, African WAS consider a race back then. Africans considers themselves as Africans go read a book and educate yourself.
clarity023 7 months ago
@leeuniverse Bullshit.
tgear77 4 months ago
@tgear77 Sorry, I wouldn't be saying it if it was wrong. I've studied the issue thoroughly. You are wrong in your judgments of the issue. I go to the facts related to the "intent" of the Constitution's wording. Absence of enough "facts" in YOUR mind which proves my point doesn't change what the intent was. Further, the very fact of who Obama is, has acted proves the very thing they were afraid of. A Manchurian candidate, someone who's truly NOT patriotic and who's allegiances are split.
leeuniverse 4 months ago
@leeuniverse Sorry, but just because you are saying it does not make it right. Once again, neither you nor anyone else can prove the "intent" of the Founders in placing the term Natural Born Citizen into the Constitution. If such 'facts' existed, then by now, someone in authority would have challenged Obama on it. Idiots like yourself, who hate Obama which such intensity that it blinds them to truth and logic, always ignore the obvious. Were what you are charging to be true actually was, then...
tgear77 4 months ago
@tgear77 (cont) someone in the Clinton campaign, the Edwards campaign, the McCain campaign, the DNC, the RNC, the FEC, the GOP (when opposing Health Care Reform or the Stimulus.....) or any reporter looking for a big headline would have brought this up years ago. Yet they never did. Why is that? It would have won McCain the Presidency. The reason none of this occurred was there is nothing that requires a Presidential candidate born in the US to have 2 citizen parents. Give it up. You've lost.
tgear77 4 months ago
@tgear77 there are a ton of relevant issues that the media dont address substantively. lts not as simple as looking for a big headline........the wrong headline will end a reporters career or life, depending on the importance of the issue, what was uncovered and the reporters tenacity in doing so. I voted for Obama and that makes it even worse that he does not produce the documentation
TheWakeup011 3 months ago
@TheWakeup011 First off, he has already provided documentation. He does not need to produce anything else. Second, while I agree that not everything important gets the proper coverage, something like this would have been jumped on by reporters. By claiming he is not eligible due to his father's nationality, there would be no worry about a reporter's career. This would be just putting the simple facts to paper. Obama is eligible and that is why he is the President.
tgear77 3 months ago
@tgear77
The "provided documentation" were fakes.
You can tell it fake because on his birth certificate it said:
1.The country of Kenya did not exist until 1963.
2. The Kapi'olani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital was not known by that name until 1978
3. A birth certificate from 1961 would not have listed "African" as a race, rather than "Negro" or "Black"
id493337 1 month ago
@id493337 Such ignorance, yet so typical of a Birther.
1) Kenya did exist prior to 1963, it just was not independent of the British Commonwealth yet. Strike One!
2) Yes, it was. In fact, if one checks out the Nordyke twins BCs (the ones Birthers were using to prove Obama could not have been born there) you will find the same name on their BC. Strike Two!
3) On a BC, the nurse writes down whatever answer the parent(s) provide to the question. There is no "official government" answer...
tgear77 1 month ago
@tgear77 (cont) Even though I am a white Irish American, had I answered "Korean" when asked by the nurse while filling out the forms for any one of my 4 kids, that is what she would have had to write down. If Ann Dunham answered "African" when asked about the race of the father, then the nurse was obligated to write it down. Strike 3 and you are out!
Embarrassing moronic birthers is just too easy.
tgear77 1 month ago
@tgear77
Okay okay, but that still does not make him any better of a president.
id493337 1 month ago
@id493337 If you want to argue his accomplishments as a President, fine. But it's these moronic Birthers spreading lies and innuendos that burn me up. They deserve to be shown up as the moronic assholes they are.
tgear77 1 month ago
@tgear77
but how can you tell if they are spreading lies or just spreading what they believe is the truth.
id493337 1 month ago
@id493337 Even if they believe it with all their heart and soul, it does not make it any less a lie.
tgear77 1 month ago
@tgear77
I guess that is true, but how do you know if it true or not? Do you listen to someone else, like the news or do your own research?
id493337 1 month ago
@id493337 I post nothing on the basis of having heard someone else say it. I research everything. Part of it is because I love to find things out. But also, I would hate to post something and then have it easily debunked by someone else. To be honest, sometimes doing the research is more fun than showing up one of these blowhard Birthers.
tgear77 1 month ago
@tgear77 I appreciate that in your liberal mind when you are blind, that you just HAVE to attribute the other side with blindness, racism, or other ignorant & immoral judgment, but you are simply wrong. I would have the same problem if it was a conservative or a president I liked. I'm simply informed, while you are not enough. You are learned, and think you are wise, when you aren't. Anyway, I see the facts, and others see the facts, just because you don't that's all on you.
leeuniverse 4 months ago
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tgear77 4 months ago
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@leeuniverse No, I am not. Unlike your BS claim, I have actually researched this subject matter. You are wrong on every point you have presented. The simple fact is that the Founders never defined NBC in the matter that you believe and no court decision since the founding of the nation has determined the matter in the way you want. Obama, by virtue of his birth in Hawaii, is fully eligible to be President which explains why he still is in the Oval Office without challenge now. Give it up. You...
tgear77 4 months ago
@tgear77 (cont) have yet to provide anything that would support your claim other than your opinion on the issue. Which is because there is nothing to support your claim. The sad part is that you use your children as props in your argument without ever realizing how wrong you are and how wrong that is.
tgear77 4 months ago
he better not win the next damn election or im gonna be pissed....he cant take his socialism and shove it right up his ass
moomoopowa 8 months ago
@moomoopowa how has anything he's done..this "socialism" you speak of,how has it affected you..honestly,name one aspect of your life that has changed...just one. and he will be re-elected,so get used to it.
xfactorb25222 8 months ago
Didn't George Bush, Ronald Reagan, and Jimmy Carter not present their birth certificates? Why should Obama have had to?
bpa619 8 months ago
African is NOT a Race. Back in 1961 Blacks were called Negro. Therefore, no way this Document was printed in 1961, it has been Edited, to say the least.
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@nignog87 African is NOT a Race. Back in 1961 Blacks were called Negro.....if your from America. and you leave out that option to name your own. African is NOT a Race, yes it is, black and negro are only descriptors.
noliesundead 8 months ago
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clarity023 7 months ago
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@nignog87 In 1961 African-Americans were referred to as "Negro".President Obama's father was not an African-American, he was African,therefore under race he was described as "African".
johndgray1 7 months ago
@johndgray1 African is not a Race, just as American is not a Race.
nignog87 7 months ago 22
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@nignog87 Chinese and Japanese aren't race either,but the would have shown up on a birth certificate in Hawaii too.Again African-Americans were referred to as "Negro" and His father was not African -American and would have been classified as African instead.
johndgray1 7 months ago
@nignog87
Wow. That's all i can say.
First off, please give a source that shows black people's birth certificates saying "negro" instead of "black" that's from 1961 hawaii.
Until then your whole argument is LAUGHABLE.
It's so funny how even after releasing the FULL certificate you IDIOTS still refuse to believe it.
Talk about BRAINWASHED.
Get over it. He's an American. You lost.
militantatheist7 6 months ago
Obama is only a native born citizen of USA if he was actually born in Honolulu, Hawaii and not Mombasa, Kenya as it is widely claimed. But to qualify to run for office of US President one has to be a Natural Born Citizen. A Natural Born Citizen is one who is born in USA to parents who are both legal citizens of USA. Obama's father was a citizen of Kenya, so this menas Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen but only a Native Born Citizen of USA. That is not enough to be eligible for President.
prajna8 8 months ago
@prajna8 Obama is only a native born citizen....the native and natural born are interchangeable. source for this US v Wong Kim Ark (p.s. there are only 2 types of citizenship Natural born, or naturalized, anything else would be a subset) A Natural Born Citizen is one who is born in USA to parents who are both legal citizens....only if born aboard. if born on US soil the citizenship of the parents means nothing(unless diplomats or enemy) Source US v Low Hong.
noliesundead 8 months ago
@noliesundead No, U are wrong, dear. But then it is difficult to explain because of word limit here. Natural Born is not the same as Native born and is not interchangable in the case of running for US President which is a whole different ball game altogether. Obama fails the Natural Born test in many instances, not just one. Obama's case is so complex that his application should have been thrown out by Howard Dean. Obama's Natural Born status is so laughable because he is now even President .
prajna8 8 months ago