You are very correct, but keep in consideration two things;
First, Leona is a lyric soprano, the timbre, comfort zone and weight of her voice are 100% soprano, so a C6 for such voice is within common standard range.
Second, the male voice sits a full octave below the female voice, so Leona's C6 is equal to a man's C5...and in that same sense my C6 in head voice is equivalent to a woman's C7 not in whistle register but operatic head voice.
@primohomme Well put. Isn't she a mezzo-soprano though? I though you were only considered a regular Soprano only if you go past C6 be it a half step higher or an octave higher like Christina Aguilera, whose range is from C3-C7?
No, Leona is soprano, her voice wobbles out of control in the low range, she is much.more comfy in the middle and upper middle. The common soprano range is C4-C6, but range is only criteria out of many to classify a voice, other criteria are timbre, tessitura, weight of voice, agility, etc.
If only range was counted I would be a soprano too as I have touched C8 as part of a vocal warm up.
And actually Christina is a mezzo, as she seems extremely uncomfortable in the upper middle and much more comfy in the lower middle. Some mezzos and even contraltos can sing full voiced C6 and even as high as F6 and higher with whistle tones, but their voice core is lower, and they are uncomfortable in soprano. That's how Aguilera's voice is.
And for the record, a tenor high C is equivalent to a mezzo's A5 and a contralto's F5.
@SONGbyrdRYzing So how is she a soprano but Beyonce a dramatic mezzo-soprano? I know their vocal weights and tones are both very differrent and Beyonce utilizes mellizma more often that Leona, but how if she is more comfortable with the middle range as well?
Giving a pop singer such classifications as "dramatic mezzo soprano" or "coloratura soprano" is absolutely ridiculous, as those classifications depend on the fact that the singers in opera must sing without microphone.
Beyonce is a mezzo indeed, as the color of her voice, weight and tessitura all suggest mezzo. She is a more agile and higher mezzo than Christina though, with operatic technique she would be a coloratura mezzo like Joyce DiDonato.
@primohomme I've heard this (the first sentence) before. But I know Mariah Carey is definitely a dramatic coloratura soprano because she utilizes mellisma AND the whistle range. Her mother is also an opera singer and/or coach and taught her how to sing. I feel like Christina would be more dramatic than lyric, though; her voice is to heavy to be lyric. She's only light and gentle on songs like "You Lost Me" (in the beginning at least) and Save Me From Myself.
Again, those classifications only apply for opera singers who sing without artificial amplification. They cannot be applied to POP singers who never in their life have had to sing projecting just with technique over a large orchestra.
Mariah is a soprano, and yes, has coloratura...but she is not a dramatic coloratura soprano, I think you've probably never actually heard a dramatic coloratura soprano as to make the comparison.
@primohomme I HAVE, I just don't remember how they sound. I remember listening to a lyric coluratura soprano and a dramatic one (probably via Wikipedia) and could tell the difference; I just don't remember now. Also, did you have to put such an emphasis on POP? LOL
I make emphasis on the word POP because one cannot use classical operatic vocal classifications to categorize pop singers who do not sing with the same technique as opera singers and that use microphones to project notes that otherwise they could not project (the low notes that are usually whispered and the whistle tones which are tiny and airy).
@primohomme Dude...I'M BLACK!!!!! I know how Kathleen Battle sounds. LOL I will look at the others another time though. I also know how Leontyne Price and Marian Anderson sound. BTW, would you agree with the general opinion that Maria Callas was the pest opera singer ever? I think she, despite her troubled life, was phenomenal and love her voice and the fact that she's a Sagittarius; we do it the best. ;-)
Well yes, and Maria Callas is my favorite singer in the world
And her voice was unclassifiable, and if one had to classify it one would say she was an Assoluta, a Soprano Sfogato, as she was able to sing both contralto and high coloratura soprano with equal ease.
And Christina is a lyric voice, her sound becomes very distorted when she tries to sing loud as opposed to blooming as would be with a naturally large voice. Lyrical voices are medium size, they are better singing at a medium volume, they become strained/distorted when singing loud. On the other hand spinto or dramatic voice bloom in color and beauty as they get louder, for example Whitney Houston and Monica Naranjo.
@primohomme NO idea who M.N is but I get it as far as Whitney Houston. MISS her voice, man... I think Patti LaBelle should also be included, but that's just me. ;-)
can you tell me whats is your lowest note in the low register, and whats your highest note in your chest register, and your highest note in your whistle register, im really interested in knowing. :)
My lowest note in chest voice is C2, though the lowest I would usually sing in public is Eb2...it is quite strong and resonant. The highest I can sing in a chesty sound is C5, though I usually would not take chest voice higher than G#4. The highest I've ever gone up to in whistle register was C8, but I do not sing up to that note often...highest is usually E7 or F7, and B6/C7 on a day-to-day basis.
That has already been discussed over and over here
This is head voice, not falsetto. Falsetto has a weak, airy, flute-like sound. This, on the other hand, has a brash metallic edge, it's supported and has a trumpet-like sound.
@primohomme, I'll admit you do get quiet high, but at 0:11 it flips over to falsetto. Just ask any college tenor or professor. Or any professed in the subject actually, they're gonna tell you the same thing.
Actually, you are quite wrong, for example at 0:04 I already introduced head voice into the mix, and as I climb the scale up to C5 it's a mixed voice sound as it still has core, as opposed to an airy falsetto which a lot of people tend to use on an "ee" vowel.
Here's an example of how I cross from the low register to the high register without any breaks or gaps in the voice:
watch?v=QInzK4i9Lp0
If there was falsetto there, you would hear a break in the voice, but there isn't
If you had bothered reading the description you would have known that this was for a class project about music production and thus all the effects on the vocals (which does include a slight auto-tune as EFFECT), and that I mentioned there's no way to "fake" a high note :)
But just in case, here's a 1-take no-pitch-correction studio performance of me
watch?v=QkMawVau0Vg
And a live acapella recording also with a C6 (held for longer)
Well, some countries in Europe have different notation systems, naming middle C as C' and soprano high C as C''', but in America we call middle C as C4, tenor high C is C5, soprano high C is C6
@primohomme no no, it;s C3 no one can sing C4 :) btw I can sing from small to C3 (4 octaves) and I'm naturally baritone Bu I can sing also tenor , alto, and soprano :D
@MisterGagaEmilio um... I can sing a C6.... and my friends and I have hit D6 and E6. This particular C6 is impressive because he is a tenor. He is hitting the C 2 octaves above usual.
Dumb cunt, I AM better than your fat voiceless whore Xtina, you doubt it? Show me a clip of her belting out a C6, or actually (since the male voice sits an octave below the female) show me a clip of her hitting C7 and holding it.
Dumb cunt, I AM better than your fat voiceless whore Xtina, you doubt it? Show me a clip of her belting out a C6, or actually (since the male voice sits an octave below the female) show me a clip of her hitting C7 and holding it.
Falsetto or not.... That was a pretty stable top C... It sounded as if you can even go higher than that.... a lof of professional countertenors and some mezzos would kill for that note.
Thank you :) I can go a semitone higher with this kind of register, but using whistle register I have sung the last C on the piano, C8. Though perhaps Eb7 is as high as I would comfortably sing.
You obviously don't understand the difference between falsetto and head voice, and the differences in the mechanisms of the two. I'll let a vocal coach explain it for you:
@primohomme Actually I do. What RocktheStage is telling is technically true, but it's not as simple as that. It's very doubtful that even his notes a full. More like a reinforced falsetto. Real vocal chord closure in the 5th octave sounds like real chest voice. The highest head(full) voice note by a male is a Bb5. Even those notes are sung by standard or high tenors. The misconception here is that falsetto always sounds airy and light, but that's not true at all.
"real vocal chord closure sounds like real chest voice"
Is that true for women as well, according to you, or just for men?
And according to that thinking there's only 1 register, nevermind that past a certain point the vocal folds will not be able to stretch anymore or bang harder against each other and that the vibration will go out of the chest and into the mouth or hard palate...
@primohomme This is true for both women and man. No matter what voice type or age, you could be a 14 year old soprano or a 60 year old bass. "And according to that thinking there's only 1 register" It will create and illusion of a single register. The mechanism is different, but the sound is the same. It's like having an extra octave of chest voice. It'll sound like you're singing up to D5, E5, or even maybe G5 is chest voice. Not only that, it takes stress off your upper chest register.
That's simply not true, because the vocal function of the chord as the voice goes up changes naturally, and head voice is NOT the same function as falsetto, it simply isn't. If it was we could say that all female operatic singers sing with 100% falsetto and only males use chest voice. That's ridiculous.
More so, the range of the human voice would be reduced to 2 octaves for males and 1 octave for females.
@primohomme No, I didn't say that. Female operatic singers usually use chest voice and falsetto. "the range of the human voice would be reduced to 2 octaves for males and 1 octave for females." Yes, that's absolutely true for operatic music. While in reality both males and females are capable of about 3,5 octaves of full voice. In operatic music females are taught to release their chest voice and flip into female head voice aka falsetto. If you want me to explain this further, just send a pm.
@primohomme The upper limit for females would be around E6 at best. Most would top off at around A5. I should note that females don't usually sing is genres that require such notes. This technique is almost exclusive to contemporary music. Usually rock, metal or some newer pop music. /watch?v=yi2a8hlwOg0 6:12 is an example of a full female A5.
Yes, indeed that has a belting quality, but it's not chest voice, it is mixed voice
And most vocal pedagoges would define full voice not as "voice that sounds like chest"
But voice with full support that is connected to the rest of the range (not disconnected as falsetto is) with no bumps or breaks in between, with full TA approximation (as opposed to just the edges as happens with falsetto).
@primohomme I listened to that clip and a few others. From what I've heard your full vocal range is C2-A4. That's less than three. Anything higher then that is falsetto. Almost any man can copy this "head voice" register. Even I can hit that high C and I suck at singing. I'm sorry to say, but you're centuries behind in vocal knowledge on this subject.
I would like to to hear your C6 since you think it's so easy and it's pure falsetto
Show me a sustained C6 by you please.
I just find it strange that every vocal pedagoge for the last 300 years is wrong when refering to a big strong resonant high note sung in head voice by a female or a male (in the bel canto period), and you are supposedly right. I think there's far more evidence of the contrary.
@primohomme Yeah, It's not chest voice, but it's a continuation of the chest tone. With real chord closure. If chest voice would go that high, it would sound like that. What you're doing is blending the sounds of your chest voice and falsetto. It's sounds connected enough, but nowhere near as much as full voice. You're notes above B4 sound like regular falsetto. If you learned to sing in full voice, you could do a lot more with your voice.
Why do people say this is falsetto it clearly is not, Falsetto is a lot more airy and does not have vocal closure while he clearly does have vocal closure.
@maddog8757 Who said falsette is always airy?? this is SO damm clearly a falsetto... omg uneducated people spreading the word and creating more uneducated people online... please don't talk if you don't know what are you talking about
Really? And according to you what is it that makes it so clearly falsetto?
And if it is so clearly falsetto, how come I can transition from my low to my middle to my upper register which is a sound like this one WITHOUT ANY BREAKS OR BUMPS? That would be practically impossible if this clearly falsetto ;)
Here's an example of how I cross my vocal range with no bumps or anything in between
@Blackwargreymon But still Falsetto is different from what is coming out of his throat right here. If you are such a genius give me a high detailed explanation on how this is falsetto.
@primohomme in short, is that it's kind of hard to know if this is head voice without you come from a low note, and also because it is possible to do a falsetto simulating a head voice.
Unless you were involved in the recording process, there's no way for you to actually be able to tell the real volume of that C6. It is truly a huge huge sound, when I record notes like that I have to sing at least 8 feet away from the microphone and the pre-amp has to be quite low to avoid clipping (and even then I still get a buzz on the microphone).
Also, this mix and comprossed, so you cannot tell its real volume...
"Power of tone" depends on resonance and volume, but I would appreciate if you can show me any female vocalist singing a high C in falsetto that sounds as full as mine here :) I can show you many many female singers singing in operatic head voice whose notes sound similar to this...
@primohomme females do not have falsetto - they only have head voice. If you don't understand the difference between falsetto and head voice - you may want to look it up
Actually, female falsetto does exist as proven scientifically, and though many voice teachers pretend it doesn't exist, Manuel Garcia (most influential voice teacher of the last 200 years) does give falsetto excercises for mezzos and contraltos to lighten the weight of chest voice.
So I will explain to you the actual difference. With falsetto only the edges of the cord vubrate, and with head voice the cord thins out and shortens and the full cord touches instead of just the edges.
I never said decresendo/mezza voce was impossible on high B or high D...I said it most likely won't be with chest voice pushed up. For example Caruso recorded "Celeste Aida" 2 times, one of them with a pushed loud high Bb, the other with a disconnected falsetto on high Bb.
There have been some tenors (specifically in the bel canto repertoire) that do use mix voice and head voice for the high notes: Chris Merrit, Gregory Kunde, Stanford Olsen, Richard Conrad, Nicolai Gedda, etc.
@SolomonD01 I just listened to his F5. That's mix/head voice. Not chest. If it were chest, he'd be hurting himself. The point is, ANYONE willing to put in the time to learn can. I can do it, myself.
@AtariMaxiToriyama listen to i'll singing with the saints at the end and you'll see. btw you got a good voice i watched your video you're definately a tenor
First of all, pure chest voice stops dead and I mean DEAD at around F#4 because of the size of the wave.
Modern tenors force their way higher by just shouting louder and louder (even in classical music) and the voice loses agility and dynamic range as it goes up because of that. In bel canto technique which tenors have not used for 200 years, the correct thing would be to use mixed voice which allows the voice more agility and dynamic range even on extreme top notes.
And also, David Phelps is more of a lyric tenor while I am more of a dramatic tenor/baritone, it is very dangerous for me too take too much weight as I go up the scale because it will cause my voice to not only lose agility but eventually also lose the top notes.
@SolomonD01 I just listened. And yes, that is mix, not chest. Just a very, very good mix. This means that he's singing the same way he talks, but the resonance is a mix between chest and head.
@primohomme that's difference of words really. The italians call anything that a male can't do without resorting to partial vocal cord vibration- falsetto. For all males (unless you are a biological anomoly like Michael Maniaci or castrated) that's tenor C5, D5, E5. Modern countertenors all use falsetto in higher range of course, and only true male sopranos like Maniaci uses his full vocal cords (modal voice) to produce high notes. "Head voice" is a modern "nice" word for the italian "falsetto"
Falsetto and head voice do not have same function on the cord though, falsetto only the edges make contact, while in head/mix the cords are "zipped" but they make full contact, not just the edges.
@primohomme that's still called falsetto - scientifically and classically. Simply, a woman sings C6 - a man physically can't reproduce (but can emulate with falsetto). Unless you're an exception mentioned (Maniaci, castrated). A man singing C6+ (countertenor) doesn't sound as good as a woman doing it - color, timbre, power etc, and critics say that Castrati do it even better than women (which I don't always agree with). Head voice is a modern euphemism for falsetto. Italians hated it of course.
What??!! The italians had the concept of "voce di testa" (head voice) even during the castrati, there's some confusion because Manuel Garcia calls that register falsetto (even in women he calls it falsetto) and in other books he calls it "mix" (again, even in women).
Anyways, the Italian's didn't hate it, in fact...tenors sang up to F5, G5 and even Bb5 (Giovanni David) in the early 19th century. They hated when tenors started shouting from chest instead of using head voice.
@primohomme Yes, I am talking about males only. For females, there is "head voice", not for males. For males it's chest voice + falsetto. Italians hated falsetto - that's why they call it "False voice". Giovanni David used falsetto in that day and age.
To be clearer, you can watch an operatic spinto tenor - watch?v=zpNufuZAhc8&
He hits D5 and that's high even for a Tenor. I don't know if Maestro Tenelli can hit E5 without falsetto but this is about the physical limit for men before falsetto.
If they hated HEAD VOICE (not falsetto) why is it that when Duprez sang a high C shouted from chest (as modern tenors do) Rossini spoke so negatively against it? And why is it that when in the late 19th century modern tenors who lacked the high Db and much less the high F for Puritani were cast in it the opera critics of the time opposed to tenors "who can shout well" as opposed to those using the old method?
@primohomme They hated falsetto, not head voice. Falsetto is for men only, it is not a term for women (to the Italians). We know only from modern science that women are also capable of a similar mechanism of vocal cord vibration much like male falsetto.
Duprez sings a chest high C and that's about the limit any man can sing from the chest (D5-F5 is possible but rarer)... he helped pioneer the Italian method that gave birth to Caruso, Gigli, and modern tenors like Pavarotti.
I know Duprez, that's why I said it...Rossini HATED his high C from chest, he didn't like that sound, he liked the other sound, the voce mista. And because Carusy, Gigli, Pavarotti, etc...did not use a mixed voice...they lacked both the range and flexibility to sing the bel canto repertoire (Pavarotti had to mutilate a lot of the scores that contained coloratura passages, Caruso did not have a high C, Corelli had no flexibility at all, etc).
@primohomme Question was - did Italians hate Falsetto? The name "Falsetto" is clearly biased against it. Bel Canto era (Donizetti, Rossini) was before the time of the Chest C but Romantic composers like Verdi would not accept a non-chest-voice in a man.
I see many vids trying to differentiate male "Falsetto" with "headvoice" - a very defensive position clearly. To opera buffs today, partially zipped cords are still falsetto. I happen agree because it clearly sounds different from a chest note.
If Verdi would not accept "non chest voice in a man", how come he wrote a high Bb to be sung ppp in Aida? (Which by the way, the tenor in the video you showed me was not able to do), or how come Verdi wrote a high D to be sung mezza voce in "I vespri Siciliani"? Or how come he wrote coloratura passages up to high Eb in "I due Foscari"? I seriously doubt Verdi would have expected ANY of those things to be done by a tenor pushing his chest voice up.
Furthermore, Verdi advocated a particular tuning because he wrote in consideration of where particular changes in timbre happened in the different voices, and those changes in timbre were thrown off by the tradition of tuning ever higher. Verdi WANTED the voice to change color from low to middle to upper register, he didn't expect it to keep the same color...and if you wanna get serious, a low C with equal support as a high C will not have the same color or placement.
Anyways, if you are interested I can send you some very interesting articles written by musicologists, they talk about the tenors in the bel canto period and their singing technique and how it later on changed to what is now. Or I could send you a clip showing how I slide from low to middle to upper register with absolutely no breaks (which would be impossible if I was truly using falsetto).
I'm very familiar with notes, I know music theory very well as I write and arrange music :)
She did sing Eb6 and was nice, but the Eb5 belted out was so strained and went flat right after she attacked it. She has a big ol' hole in her voice, useless thin strained notes Db5-G5 and then a nice falsetto/whistle register above that.
Pressed about what? I can belt out C6 and hold it for as long as I want. Your fave can't make it past Db5 or Eb5 in belting without cracking like an amateur or going flat :) (As she did at the Grammys this year, LOL)
4- I've also sang an even better C6 in a one-take recording just singing acapella into my tiny voice recorder, also in that little clip I sing a 2 octave range bass-baritone to dramatic tenor with equal support at both ends and transition smoothly to my upper extension.
watch?v=9vuz-CvFYf0
5- Oh and if you wanna see what I look like, this vid has pics of me :)
1- This is a studio recording, I didn't film myself recording it, would be pointless.
2- Comparing me to the castrati is an honor, they were the greatest singers in history being able to sing 3+ octaves in full voice and sing coloratura passages for 1 minute without running out of breathe.
3- Not my fault your fave can't belt out C6 and she strains and quite often can't even hold a decent C#5 (NBA SSB) or Eb5 (Grammys this year) without cracking or going flat :)
No, eso es voz de cabeza, y una diferencia tremenda...no escuchaste como subi del registro medio hacia el Do agudo de tenor y luego al Mi sobreagudo antes de saltar al Do agudo de soprano?
Aqui hay otro clip cantado acapella sin eco/reverb ni nada que muestra como transiciono entre registros sin quiebre alguno, my passaggio es totalmente suave e inperceptible.
Working on it ;) I have some full studio recordings on youtube as well as a couple of live acapellas, if you wanna check out, they all show a large range haha
My passagio starts to happen at around E4 usually, sometimes can take the more baritonal sound higher up to like G#4 or even A4, but by Bb4 I must change to a headier mix in order to reach the Bb, B and tenor high C.
@primohomme a passaggio on E4 would make you a baritone =) leggiero tenor: Ab4 or A4 lyric tenor: G4 or Ab4 spinto tenor: F#4 or G4 dramatic tenor: F4 or F#4 heldentenor: F4 lyric baritone: E4 or Eb4 dramatic baritone: Eb4 bass-baritone: D4 basso: C#4 or lower I am a lyric baritone and my passaggio is on Eb4 =)
I can sing tenor leggero quite comfortably and without tiring though, using a headier mix and higher placement. But can also sing lyric baritone comfortably and project as low as G2 still comfortably (lower than that it goes weak, unless singing pop and using a microphone, lol).
@primohomme You're mixing lol. It sounds like you're a lower tenor. I've heard of dramatic tenors that soften their voices and almost sound like light-lyrics when they sing high notes though.
Yes, I'm mixing...why would that cause you to laugh? It's the healthy correct way to do it on a note so high.
Even if someone was a tenore contraltino, or even a true male soprano...there's no chest voice so high up there, chest voice starts to leave at F#4, above that it's ratios of chest/head mix
@primohomme Oh nooo! I'm not laughing. It's a habit. I'm actually a contraltino. :] I don't have any songs recorded though but I do have voice clips if you care to take a listen.
@primohomme Oh yes I've already seen him. I have that song on my Itunes.. He sings in mixed voice too and its so beautiful that you can't tell.... you have great tastes.... Russel Oberlin. My hero. I think he stands at about 5 '10 ...or did before he got old. I watched a video lecture of his before on the Castrato he was teaching.
Sure! what would you want me to tell you about? first I developed my upper extension using the speech level singing by Seth Riggs, and then strengthtened it with bel canto technique.
@primohomme well i first wish to say, i love finding fellow singers :) makes me feel more like family :P
i still just need refining so i can have a clear note sang out (ill need to add a personal touch too , i may have lost my free styling when i went into choir lolz but it is refined and what not, )
Haha I can do this cause im a tenor altino. And 18 years old too, so don't say my voice hasn't changed or any crap like that.lol :P
Plus, he modifies his falsetto.I do it using almost a chesty voice, but heady too.Which i don't suggest you do unless you get training, cause it could screw up your voice something bad.
0:17 that was more like SCREAMING to me....That was NOWHERE near the C6 Leona Lewis pulled off. Not saying I, MYSELF, can do it, but still...
SONGbyrdRYzing 2 weeks ago
@SONGbyrdRYzing
You are very correct, but keep in consideration two things;
First, Leona is a lyric soprano, the timbre, comfort zone and weight of her voice are 100% soprano, so a C6 for such voice is within common standard range.
Second, the male voice sits a full octave below the female voice, so Leona's C6 is equal to a man's C5...and in that same sense my C6 in head voice is equivalent to a woman's C7 not in whistle register but operatic head voice.
primohomme 2 weeks ago
@primohomme Well put. Isn't she a mezzo-soprano though? I though you were only considered a regular Soprano only if you go past C6 be it a half step higher or an octave higher like Christina Aguilera, whose range is from C3-C7?
SONGbyrdRYzing 2 weeks ago
@SONGbyrdRYzing
No, Leona is soprano, her voice wobbles out of control in the low range, she is much.more comfy in the middle and upper middle. The common soprano range is C4-C6, but range is only criteria out of many to classify a voice, other criteria are timbre, tessitura, weight of voice, agility, etc.
If only range was counted I would be a soprano too as I have touched C8 as part of a vocal warm up.
primohomme 2 weeks ago
@SONGbyrdRYzing
(Continued)
And actually Christina is a mezzo, as she seems extremely uncomfortable in the upper middle and much more comfy in the lower middle. Some mezzos and even contraltos can sing full voiced C6 and even as high as F6 and higher with whistle tones, but their voice core is lower, and they are uncomfortable in soprano. That's how Aguilera's voice is.
And for the record, a tenor high C is equivalent to a mezzo's A5 and a contralto's F5.
primohomme 2 weeks ago
@SONGbyrdRYzing So how is she a soprano but Beyonce a dramatic mezzo-soprano? I know their vocal weights and tones are both very differrent and Beyonce utilizes mellizma more often that Leona, but how if she is more comfortable with the middle range as well?
SONGbyrdRYzing 2 weeks ago
@SONGbyrdRYzing
Giving a pop singer such classifications as "dramatic mezzo soprano" or "coloratura soprano" is absolutely ridiculous, as those classifications depend on the fact that the singers in opera must sing without microphone.
Beyonce is a mezzo indeed, as the color of her voice, weight and tessitura all suggest mezzo. She is a more agile and higher mezzo than Christina though, with operatic technique she would be a coloratura mezzo like Joyce DiDonato.
primohomme 2 weeks ago
@primohomme I've heard this (the first sentence) before. But I know Mariah Carey is definitely a dramatic coloratura soprano because she utilizes mellisma AND the whistle range. Her mother is also an opera singer and/or coach and taught her how to sing. I feel like Christina would be more dramatic than lyric, though; her voice is to heavy to be lyric. She's only light and gentle on songs like "You Lost Me" (in the beginning at least) and Save Me From Myself.
SONGbyrdRYzing 2 weeks ago
@SONGbyrdRYzing
Again, those classifications only apply for opera singers who sing without artificial amplification. They cannot be applied to POP singers who never in their life have had to sing projecting just with technique over a large orchestra.
Mariah is a soprano, and yes, has coloratura...but she is not a dramatic coloratura soprano, I think you've probably never actually heard a dramatic coloratura soprano as to make the comparison.
primohomme 2 weeks ago
@primohomme I HAVE, I just don't remember how they sound. I remember listening to a lyric coluratura soprano and a dramatic one (probably via Wikipedia) and could tell the difference; I just don't remember now. Also, did you have to put such an emphasis on POP? LOL
SONGbyrdRYzing 2 weeks ago
@SONGbyrdRYzing
I make emphasis on the word POP because one cannot use classical operatic vocal classifications to categorize pop singers who do not sing with the same technique as opera singers and that use microphones to project notes that otherwise they could not project (the low notes that are usually whispered and the whistle tones which are tiny and airy).
primohomme 1 week ago
@primohomme Fair enough. Our conversation has been interesting (at least on my end) don't you agree? LOL
SONGbyrdRYzing 1 week ago
@SONGbyrdRYzing
Yes, indeed...anyway, if you wanna listen to a real opera singer as reference, I'll show you a dramatic coloratura v/s a lyric coloratura voice.
Dramatic Coloratura Soprano - Joan Sutherland:
/watch?v=HUfpRqk9jLg
Lyric Coloratura Soprano - Kathleen Battle
/watch?v=eRafcL1WtXE
And if you want I'll show you examples of Coloratura Mezzo-Soprano and Coloratura Contralto.
primohomme 1 week ago
@primohomme Dude...I'M BLACK!!!!! I know how Kathleen Battle sounds. LOL I will look at the others another time though. I also know how Leontyne Price and Marian Anderson sound. BTW, would you agree with the general opinion that Maria Callas was the pest opera singer ever? I think she, despite her troubled life, was phenomenal and love her voice and the fact that she's a Sagittarius; we do it the best. ;-)
SONGbyrdRYzing 1 week ago
@SONGbyrdRYzing
Well yes, and Maria Callas is my favorite singer in the world
And her voice was unclassifiable, and if one had to classify it one would say she was an Assoluta, a Soprano Sfogato, as she was able to sing both contralto and high coloratura soprano with equal ease.
primohomme 1 week ago
@SONGbyrdRYzing
(continued)
And Christina is a lyric voice, her sound becomes very distorted when she tries to sing loud as opposed to blooming as would be with a naturally large voice. Lyrical voices are medium size, they are better singing at a medium volume, they become strained/distorted when singing loud. On the other hand spinto or dramatic voice bloom in color and beauty as they get louder, for example Whitney Houston and Monica Naranjo.
primohomme 2 weeks ago
@primohomme NO idea who M.N is but I get it as far as Whitney Houston. MISS her voice, man... I think Patti LaBelle should also be included, but that's just me. ;-)
SONGbyrdRYzing 2 weeks ago
can you tell me whats is your lowest note in the low register, and whats your highest note in your chest register, and your highest note in your whistle register, im really interested in knowing. :)
Anime00Freak 1 month ago
@Anime00Freak
My lowest note in chest voice is C2, though the lowest I would usually sing in public is Eb2...it is quite strong and resonant. The highest I can sing in a chesty sound is C5, though I usually would not take chest voice higher than G#4. The highest I've ever gone up to in whistle register was C8, but I do not sing up to that note often...highest is usually E7 or F7, and B6/C7 on a day-to-day basis.
primohomme 1 month ago
@primohomme O.O so you have a 6 octave vocal range?! Makes my 4 octave E2-E6 vocal range look like crap :(
MEareCAT 1 month ago
@MEareCAT
Well that's more like extremes of my voice...
On a day to day basis is more like 4+ octaves
Sometimes the highest whistle tones, in the 7th octave, cannot be reached
And sometimes the very lowest notes are also out of reach
It depends if I'm well rested and if the voice is feeling well :)
primohomme 1 month ago
Wow !! He can hit this note without head voice ! that's awesome ^^
punkyourownlife 1 month ago
@punkyourownlife No. He hit it without falsetto. He DID use head voice.
AtariMaxiToriyama 2 weeks ago
@AtariMaxiToriyama You're right it's without falsetto :) I'm french and i confuse falsetto and head voice. In France "falsetto" is not the same word.
punkyourownlife 2 weeks ago
@punkyourownlife
In here I made a video showing the difference between falsetto and head voice :)
/watch?v=fx6P0wYziBE
primohomme 2 weeks ago
Jesus dude. You got an insane voice!!
Mothor1995 1 month ago
@Mothor1995
Thank you man :)
primohomme 1 month ago
This is amazing as usually you're a vocal master!!
Marco686marques 2 months ago
@Marco686marques
Awww thank you so much :) you are too kind
primohomme 2 months ago
but thats a falsetto...anyone can do that
DrummerFDO 2 months ago
@DrummerFDO
That has already been discussed over and over here
This is head voice, not falsetto. Falsetto has a weak, airy, flute-like sound. This, on the other hand, has a brash metallic edge, it's supported and has a trumpet-like sound.
primohomme 2 months ago
ha i can do that
Danooo798 2 months ago
@Danooo798
Try
primohomme 2 months ago
@primohomme well clearly ive tried
or i woldnt say i could
Danooo798 2 months ago
Impressive!
Sjoera 3 months ago
Lol ur not actually hitting it, it's called falsetto
jjj5541 3 months ago
@jjj5541
This is head voice, not falsetto at all
The cord function is quite different.
primohomme 3 months ago
@primohomme, I'll admit you do get quiet high, but at 0:11 it flips over to falsetto. Just ask any college tenor or professor. Or any professed in the subject actually, they're gonna tell you the same thing.
jjj5541 3 months ago
@jjj5541
Actually, you are quite wrong, for example at 0:04 I already introduced head voice into the mix, and as I climb the scale up to C5 it's a mixed voice sound as it still has core, as opposed to an airy falsetto which a lot of people tend to use on an "ee" vowel.
Here's an example of how I cross from the low register to the high register without any breaks or gaps in the voice:
watch?v=QInzK4i9Lp0
If there was falsetto there, you would hear a break in the voice, but there isn't
primohomme 3 months ago
sounds autotuned...
songsterNJC 3 months ago
@songsterNJC
If you had bothered reading the description you would have known that this was for a class project about music production and thus all the effects on the vocals (which does include a slight auto-tune as EFFECT), and that I mentioned there's no way to "fake" a high note :)
But just in case, here's a 1-take no-pitch-correction studio performance of me
watch?v=QkMawVau0Vg
And a live acapella recording also with a C6 (held for longer)
watch?v=O8Zf6do3bDY
Have a nice day :)
primohomme 3 months ago
@primohomme I didn't say it was. I said it sounds like it was.
songsterNJC 3 months ago
It's C4...... C6 no one can sing it LOL!
MisterGagaEmilio 4 months ago
@MisterGagaEmilio
Where are you from?
in American scientific notation a C4 is middle C and C6 soprano high C
primohomme 4 months ago
@primohomme I'm from Macedonia, and thank you for the help :)..... btw I'm musician and I was confused about this and i helped me :D
MisterGagaEmilio 4 months ago
@MisterGagaEmilio
Well, some countries in Europe have different notation systems, naming middle C as C' and soprano high C as C''', but in America we call middle C as C4, tenor high C is C5, soprano high C is C6
primohomme 4 months ago
@primohomme 2C(SubContra), 1C(Contra), C(Big Octave), c (small octave), c1, c2, c3, c4 and c5 It's good to know it :)
MisterGagaEmilio 4 months ago
@MisterGagaEmilio
So I take it a soprano high C in the system of notation you use is C4 then?
So what do they call middle C?
primohomme 4 months ago
@primohomme no no, it;s C3 no one can sing C4 :) btw I can sing from small to C3 (4 octaves) and I'm naturally baritone Bu I can sing also tenor , alto, and soprano :D
MisterGagaEmilio 4 months ago
@primohomme Your C6 it's C3 in my system of notation. Btw I can sing from from small C to C3.... in your notation it's from from C2 to C6 :)
MisterGagaEmilio 4 months ago
@MisterGagaEmilio um... I can sing a C6.... and my friends and I have hit D6 and E6. This particular C6 is impressive because he is a tenor. He is hitting the C 2 octaves above usual.
DawsonDreamer 4 months ago
@DawsonDreamer I was confused because the notation system in different in Europe :)
MisterGagaEmilio 3 months ago
@MisterGagaEmilio i seeeee. how different?? I didnt even know that they were different
DawsonDreamer 3 months ago
@DawsonDreamer Yeah it's different :)
MisterGagaEmilio 3 months ago
Cher?? It's you?? Sors of this Corps ahaha and you say you are better? loooooooooooooooooool TURN OFF.. Thank you for making me laugh. :)
checkout403 5 months ago
@checkout403
Dumb cunt, I AM better than your fat voiceless whore Xtina, you doubt it? Show me a clip of her belting out a C6, or actually (since the male voice sits an octave below the female) show me a clip of her hitting C7 and holding it.
Go ahead, I'm waiting :)
primohomme 5 months ago
@primohomme I love you lol
maddog8757 4 months ago
@checkout403
Dumb cunt, I AM better than your fat voiceless whore Xtina, you doubt it? Show me a clip of her belting out a C6, or actually (since the male voice sits an octave below the female) show me a clip of her hitting C7 and holding it.
Go ahead, I'm waiting :)
primohomme 5 months ago 3
Falsetto or not.... That was a pretty stable top C... It sounded as if you can even go higher than that.... a lof of professional countertenors and some mezzos would kill for that note.
CallasAfrica 5 months ago 13
@CallasAfrica
Thank you :) I can go a semitone higher with this kind of register, but using whistle register I have sung the last C on the piano, C8. Though perhaps Eb7 is as high as I would comfortably sing.
primohomme 5 months ago
This note is 100% falsetto. You switched to falsetto on E4.
That C#6 you linked is also falsetto. The so called female "head voice" actually is falsetto.
lt53666 6 months ago
@lt53666
You obviously don't understand the difference between falsetto and head voice, and the differences in the mechanisms of the two. I'll let a vocal coach explain it for you:
watch?v=zU-OlPet7lk
primohomme 6 months ago
@primohomme Actually I do. What RocktheStage is telling is technically true, but it's not as simple as that. It's very doubtful that even his notes a full. More like a reinforced falsetto. Real vocal chord closure in the 5th octave sounds like real chest voice. The highest head(full) voice note by a male is a Bb5. Even those notes are sung by standard or high tenors. The misconception here is that falsetto always sounds airy and light, but that's not true at all.
lt53666 6 months ago
@lt53666
"real vocal chord closure sounds like real chest voice"
Is that true for women as well, according to you, or just for men?
And according to that thinking there's only 1 register, nevermind that past a certain point the vocal folds will not be able to stretch anymore or bang harder against each other and that the vibration will go out of the chest and into the mouth or hard palate...
primohomme 6 months ago
@primohomme This is true for both women and man. No matter what voice type or age, you could be a 14 year old soprano or a 60 year old bass. "And according to that thinking there's only 1 register" It will create and illusion of a single register. The mechanism is different, but the sound is the same. It's like having an extra octave of chest voice. It'll sound like you're singing up to D5, E5, or even maybe G5 is chest voice. Not only that, it takes stress off your upper chest register.
lt53666 6 months ago
@lt53666
That's simply not true, because the vocal function of the chord as the voice goes up changes naturally, and head voice is NOT the same function as falsetto, it simply isn't. If it was we could say that all female operatic singers sing with 100% falsetto and only males use chest voice. That's ridiculous.
More so, the range of the human voice would be reduced to 2 octaves for males and 1 octave for females.
primohomme 6 months ago
@primohomme No, I didn't say that. Female operatic singers usually use chest voice and falsetto. "the range of the human voice would be reduced to 2 octaves for males and 1 octave for females." Yes, that's absolutely true for operatic music. While in reality both males and females are capable of about 3,5 octaves of full voice. In operatic music females are taught to release their chest voice and flip into female head voice aka falsetto. If you want me to explain this further, just send a pm.
lt53666 6 months ago
@lt53666
If that were true that would mean a female could potentially sing for example G6 in what would sound like chest voice. Any examples of that?
primohomme 6 months ago
@primohomme The upper limit for females would be around E6 at best. Most would top off at around A5. I should note that females don't usually sing is genres that require such notes. This technique is almost exclusive to contemporary music. Usually rock, metal or some newer pop music. /watch?v=yi2a8hlwOg0 6:12 is an example of a full female A5.
lt53666 6 months ago
@lt53666
Yes, indeed that has a belting quality, but it's not chest voice, it is mixed voice
And most vocal pedagoges would define full voice not as "voice that sounds like chest"
But voice with full support that is connected to the rest of the range (not disconnected as falsetto is) with no bumps or breaks in between, with full TA approximation (as opposed to just the edges as happens with falsetto).
primohomme 6 months ago
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lt53666 6 months ago
@lt53666
I repeat, FULL VOICE DOES NOT MEAN IT SOUNDS LIKE CHEST VOICE
FULL VOICE MEANS IT'S CONNECTED, SUPPORTED, RESONANT
And I can do pretty much everything with my voice as it is...more than 5 octaves and agility in every register without any breaks in between
Here's an example:
watch?v=QInzK4i9Lp0
primohomme 6 months ago
@primohomme I listened to that clip and a few others. From what I've heard your full vocal range is C2-A4. That's less than three. Anything higher then that is falsetto. Almost any man can copy this "head voice" register. Even I can hit that high C and I suck at singing. I'm sorry to say, but you're centuries behind in vocal knowledge on this subject.
lt53666 6 months ago
@lt53666
I would like to to hear your C6 since you think it's so easy and it's pure falsetto
Show me a sustained C6 by you please.
I just find it strange that every vocal pedagoge for the last 300 years is wrong when refering to a big strong resonant high note sung in head voice by a female or a male (in the bel canto period), and you are supposedly right. I think there's far more evidence of the contrary.
primohomme 6 months ago
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@primohomme Yeah, It's not chest voice, but it's a continuation of the chest tone. With real chord closure. If chest voice would go that high, it would sound like that. What you're doing is blending the sounds of your chest voice and falsetto. It's sounds connected enough, but nowhere near as much as full voice. You're notes above B4 sound like regular falsetto. If you learned to sing in full voice, you could do a lot more with your voice.
lt53666 6 months ago
@primohomme I've never heard you in person, so I can't judge. Based on the quality of your voice, I suppose I can believe that. I'm subbing anyway.
Shadowinchester 7 months ago
Falsetto.. But still, strong voice.
Shadowinchester 7 months ago
@Shadowinchester
No, it is head voice :) compare the quality of my C6 to this C#6 sung by a soprano, on this video at 4:08
watch?v=xtenFJ6x75k
Hear how similar the placement and the register being used?
My C6 is certainly not the weak hooty airy hissy sound that falsetto is, it is head voice.
primohomme 7 months ago
@primohomme is a falsetto creeme is not a bad thing but is truly a falsetto
alecto9322 6 months ago
@alecto9322
No, this is HEAD VOICE, head mix actually, not pure head voice
Compare its quality and ring to the C#6 sung by this soprano here at 4:08
watch?v=xtenFJ6x75k
They are very similar in quality and ring, is her C#6 a falsetto?
primohomme 6 months ago
Why do people say this is falsetto it clearly is not, Falsetto is a lot more airy and does not have vocal closure while he clearly does have vocal closure.
maddog8757 7 months ago 22
@maddog8757 Who said falsette is always airy?? this is SO damm clearly a falsetto... omg uneducated people spreading the word and creating more uneducated people online... please don't talk if you don't know what are you talking about
Blackwargreymon 5 months ago
@Blackwargreymon
Really? And according to you what is it that makes it so clearly falsetto?
And if it is so clearly falsetto, how come I can transition from my low to my middle to my upper register which is a sound like this one WITHOUT ANY BREAKS OR BUMPS? That would be practically impossible if this clearly falsetto ;)
Here's an example of how I cross my vocal range with no bumps or anything in between
watch?v=QInzK4i9Lp0
primohomme 5 months ago
@Blackwargreymon But still Falsetto is different from what is coming out of his throat right here. If you are such a genius give me a high detailed explanation on how this is falsetto.
maddog8757 5 months ago
@maddog8757
sowwy, wrong reply :P
primohomme 5 months ago
@maddog8757 if this is not falsetto
I also came on that note, I actually step over
both the traditional falsetto, and that there
MegaGutem 4 months ago
@MegaGutem
No idea what you're trying to say
primohomme 4 months ago
@primohomme in short, is that it's kind of hard to know if this is head voice without you come from a low note, and also because it is possible to do a falsetto simulating a head voice.
But it is probably head voice
MegaGutem 4 months ago
@Pancreotit
Unless you were involved in the recording process, there's no way for you to actually be able to tell the real volume of that C6. It is truly a huge huge sound, when I record notes like that I have to sing at least 8 feet away from the microphone and the pre-amp has to be quite low to avoid clipping (and even then I still get a buzz on the microphone).
Also, this mix and comprossed, so you cannot tell its real volume...
primohomme 7 months ago
@primohomme it's not about the volume. I can scream with falsetto really lough. It is about the power of the tone.
Pancreotit 7 months ago
@Pancreotit
"Power of tone" depends on resonance and volume, but I would appreciate if you can show me any female vocalist singing a high C in falsetto that sounds as full as mine here :) I can show you many many female singers singing in operatic head voice whose notes sound similar to this...
primohomme 7 months ago
@primohomme females do not have falsetto - they only have head voice. If you don't understand the difference between falsetto and head voice - you may want to look it up
Pancreotit 7 months ago
@Pancreotit
Actually, female falsetto does exist as proven scientifically, and though many voice teachers pretend it doesn't exist, Manuel Garcia (most influential voice teacher of the last 200 years) does give falsetto excercises for mezzos and contraltos to lighten the weight of chest voice.
So I will explain to you the actual difference. With falsetto only the edges of the cord vubrate, and with head voice the cord thins out and shortens and the full cord touches instead of just the edges.
primohomme 7 months ago 3
he is singing in falsetto here
SolomonD01 8 months ago
@SolomonD01
It's certainly not falsetto, it is head voice. Falsetto has a hollow flutey quality, while my head voice mix has a trumpety quality.
primohomme 8 months ago
@primohomme wait a minute you sang this?
SolomonD01 8 months ago
I'm a countertenor and I cannot reach that! Uyyy! So jealous!
ActorFlautista 8 months ago
I would like to see your sources for citing what Verdi wanted from the roles he wrote.
Where did you get the idea that high B or D in decrescendo/mezza voce is impossible? It's difficult unless you're Gigli.
I will just say that no males sing opera (today/past 150 years) with Falsetto. It's chest all the up to E/F5 and I'll leave it at that.
I'm not particularly against falsetto, opera singers are. Modern singers who like to use it hate the negative connotation so try to change the word.
Zen0Jin 11 months ago
@Zen0Jin
I never said decresendo/mezza voce was impossible on high B or high D...I said it most likely won't be with chest voice pushed up. For example Caruso recorded "Celeste Aida" 2 times, one of them with a pushed loud high Bb, the other with a disconnected falsetto on high Bb.
There have been some tenors (specifically in the bel canto repertoire) that do use mix voice and head voice for the high notes: Chris Merrit, Gregory Kunde, Stanford Olsen, Richard Conrad, Nicolai Gedda, etc.
primohomme 11 months ago
@Zen0Jin No man can sing up to F5 in chest voice. It's mix and head voice.
AtariMaxiToriyama 9 months ago
@AtariMaxiToriyama I can sing a F5 in full voice, actually G5!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
kmaur21 8 months ago
@kmaur21
In full voice as in connected or as in chest voice? really? let's hear it
primohomme 8 months ago
@primohomme I'm sure he doesn't mean "chest".
AtariMaxiToriyama 8 months ago
@AtariMaxiToriyama that is incorrect david phelps can do it
SolomonD01 8 months ago
@SolomonD01 I just listened to his F5. That's mix/head voice. Not chest. If it were chest, he'd be hurting himself. The point is, ANYONE willing to put in the time to learn can. I can do it, myself.
AtariMaxiToriyama 8 months ago
@AtariMaxiToriyama listen to i'll singing with the saints at the end and you'll see. btw you got a good voice i watched your video you're definately a tenor
SolomonD01 8 months ago
@SolomonD01
First of all, pure chest voice stops dead and I mean DEAD at around F#4 because of the size of the wave.
Modern tenors force their way higher by just shouting louder and louder (even in classical music) and the voice loses agility and dynamic range as it goes up because of that. In bel canto technique which tenors have not used for 200 years, the correct thing would be to use mixed voice which allows the voice more agility and dynamic range even on extreme top notes.
primohomme 8 months ago
@SolomonD01
And also, David Phelps is more of a lyric tenor while I am more of a dramatic tenor/baritone, it is very dangerous for me too take too much weight as I go up the scale because it will cause my voice to not only lose agility but eventually also lose the top notes.
primohomme 8 months ago
@SolomonD01 I just listened. And yes, that is mix, not chest. Just a very, very good mix. This means that he's singing the same way he talks, but the resonance is a mix between chest and head.
AtariMaxiToriyama 8 months ago
falsetto.
/story
richzero0 11 months ago
@richzero0
Do you know the difference between falsetto and head voice/mix?
This is most definitely not falsetto.
primohomme 11 months ago
@primohomme indeed i do lol. sounds like falsetto mix to me. ill take you at your word tho . great voice lol.
id like to see a video of YOU singing tho it'd settle the arguments lol.
richzero0 11 months ago
@richzero0
I'll make a video comparing falsetto v/s head voice
primohomme 11 months ago
@primohomme that's difference of words really. The italians call anything that a male can't do without resorting to partial vocal cord vibration- falsetto. For all males (unless you are a biological anomoly like Michael Maniaci or castrated) that's tenor C5, D5, E5. Modern countertenors all use falsetto in higher range of course, and only true male sopranos like Maniaci uses his full vocal cords (modal voice) to produce high notes. "Head voice" is a modern "nice" word for the italian "falsetto"
Zen0Jin 11 months ago
@Zen0Jin
Falsetto and head voice do not have same function on the cord though, falsetto only the edges make contact, while in head/mix the cords are "zipped" but they make full contact, not just the edges.
primohomme 11 months ago
@primohomme that's still called falsetto - scientifically and classically. Simply, a woman sings C6 - a man physically can't reproduce (but can emulate with falsetto). Unless you're an exception mentioned (Maniaci, castrated). A man singing C6+ (countertenor) doesn't sound as good as a woman doing it - color, timbre, power etc, and critics say that Castrati do it even better than women (which I don't always agree with). Head voice is a modern euphemism for falsetto. Italians hated it of course.
Zen0Jin 11 months ago
@Zen0Jin
What??!! The italians had the concept of "voce di testa" (head voice) even during the castrati, there's some confusion because Manuel Garcia calls that register falsetto (even in women he calls it falsetto) and in other books he calls it "mix" (again, even in women).
Anyways, the Italian's didn't hate it, in fact...tenors sang up to F5, G5 and even Bb5 (Giovanni David) in the early 19th century. They hated when tenors started shouting from chest instead of using head voice.
primohomme 11 months ago
@primohomme Yes, I am talking about males only. For females, there is "head voice", not for males. For males it's chest voice + falsetto. Italians hated falsetto - that's why they call it "False voice". Giovanni David used falsetto in that day and age.
To be clearer, you can watch an operatic spinto tenor - watch?v=zpNufuZAhc8&
He hits D5 and that's high even for a Tenor. I don't know if Maestro Tenelli can hit E5 without falsetto but this is about the physical limit for men before falsetto.
Zen0Jin 11 months ago
@Zen0Jin
If they hated HEAD VOICE (not falsetto) why is it that when Duprez sang a high C shouted from chest (as modern tenors do) Rossini spoke so negatively against it? And why is it that when in the late 19th century modern tenors who lacked the high Db and much less the high F for Puritani were cast in it the opera critics of the time opposed to tenors "who can shout well" as opposed to those using the old method?
primohomme 11 months ago
@primohomme They hated falsetto, not head voice. Falsetto is for men only, it is not a term for women (to the Italians). We know only from modern science that women are also capable of a similar mechanism of vocal cord vibration much like male falsetto.
Duprez sings a chest high C and that's about the limit any man can sing from the chest (D5-F5 is possible but rarer)... he helped pioneer the Italian method that gave birth to Caruso, Gigli, and modern tenors like Pavarotti.
Zen0Jin 11 months ago
@Zen0Jin
I know Duprez, that's why I said it...Rossini HATED his high C from chest, he didn't like that sound, he liked the other sound, the voce mista. And because Carusy, Gigli, Pavarotti, etc...did not use a mixed voice...they lacked both the range and flexibility to sing the bel canto repertoire (Pavarotti had to mutilate a lot of the scores that contained coloratura passages, Caruso did not have a high C, Corelli had no flexibility at all, etc).
primohomme 11 months ago
@primohomme Question was - did Italians hate Falsetto? The name "Falsetto" is clearly biased against it. Bel Canto era (Donizetti, Rossini) was before the time of the Chest C but Romantic composers like Verdi would not accept a non-chest-voice in a man.
I see many vids trying to differentiate male "Falsetto" with "headvoice" - a very defensive position clearly. To opera buffs today, partially zipped cords are still falsetto. I happen agree because it clearly sounds different from a chest note.
Zen0Jin 11 months ago
@Zen0Jin
If Verdi would not accept "non chest voice in a man", how come he wrote a high Bb to be sung ppp in Aida? (Which by the way, the tenor in the video you showed me was not able to do), or how come Verdi wrote a high D to be sung mezza voce in "I vespri Siciliani"? Or how come he wrote coloratura passages up to high Eb in "I due Foscari"? I seriously doubt Verdi would have expected ANY of those things to be done by a tenor pushing his chest voice up.
primohomme 11 months ago
@Zen0Jin
Furthermore, Verdi advocated a particular tuning because he wrote in consideration of where particular changes in timbre happened in the different voices, and those changes in timbre were thrown off by the tradition of tuning ever higher. Verdi WANTED the voice to change color from low to middle to upper register, he didn't expect it to keep the same color...and if you wanna get serious, a low C with equal support as a high C will not have the same color or placement.
primohomme 11 months ago
@Zen0Jin
Anyways, if you are interested I can send you some very interesting articles written by musicologists, they talk about the tenors in the bel canto period and their singing technique and how it later on changed to what is now. Or I could send you a clip showing how I slide from low to middle to upper register with absolutely no breaks (which would be impossible if I was truly using falsetto).
primohomme 11 months ago
@Zen0Jin Except that "head voice" actually has full chord closure, unlike falsetto. Scientifically speaking, of course.
AtariMaxiToriyama 8 months ago
@Xtina4evahLegend
If by everyone you mean her stans...
I'm very familiar with notes, I know music theory very well as I write and arrange music :)
She did sing Eb6 and was nice, but the Eb5 belted out was so strained and went flat right after she attacked it. She has a big ol' hole in her voice, useless thin strained notes Db5-G5 and then a nice falsetto/whistle register above that.
Oh, and I can sing much higher than Eb6 ;)
In fact, here I sing and hold Eb7 :D
watch?v=sVCHKIj-WV8
primohomme 1 year ago
@Xtina4evahLegend
Pressed about what? I can belt out C6 and hold it for as long as I want. Your fave can't make it past Db5 or Eb5 in belting without cracking like an amateur or going flat :) (As she did at the Grammys this year, LOL)
primohomme 1 year ago
@Xtina4evahLegend
4- I've also sang an even better C6 in a one-take recording just singing acapella into my tiny voice recorder, also in that little clip I sing a 2 octave range bass-baritone to dramatic tenor with equal support at both ends and transition smoothly to my upper extension.
watch?v=9vuz-CvFYf0
5- Oh and if you wanna see what I look like, this vid has pics of me :)
watch?v=OEIC4EVhjGE
primohomme 1 year ago
@Xtina4evahLegend
1- This is a studio recording, I didn't film myself recording it, would be pointless.
2- Comparing me to the castrati is an honor, they were the greatest singers in history being able to sing 3+ octaves in full voice and sing coloratura passages for 1 minute without running out of breathe.
3- Not my fault your fave can't belt out C6 and she strains and quite often can't even hold a decent C#5 (NBA SSB) or Eb5 (Grammys this year) without cracking or going flat :)
primohomme 1 year ago
eso es un simple falsete
MadameBorgi 1 year ago
@MadameBorgi
No, eso es voz de cabeza, y una diferencia tremenda...no escuchaste como subi del registro medio hacia el Do agudo de tenor y luego al Mi sobreagudo antes de saltar al Do agudo de soprano?
Aqui hay otro clip cantado acapella sin eco/reverb ni nada que muestra como transiciono entre registros sin quiebre alguno, my passaggio es totalmente suave e inperceptible.
watch?v=9vuz-CvFYf0
primohomme 1 year ago
Wow. NICE.
I like that you can actually hit it. Most people on here just make squeaky noises.
louffylou 1 year ago
@louffylou
Thanks for listening :)
primohomme 1 year ago
He's another one of those natural male contraltos.
This one's tone is more similar to mine. watch?v=8dNW07P6sfo
I wish I was as good at singing though. I have the voice now I need the skills.
restlesspride666 1 year ago
teaching about how they would have sounded in this dark room to his class.
restlesspride666 1 year ago
Oh wow. I could totally listen to you singing for hours.
underthestarofnorth 1 year ago
@underthestarofnorth
Thank you so much :) I appreciate it
primohomme 1 year ago
Nice voice! Put out any CDs?
JorEl7771 1 year ago
@JorEl7771
Working on it ;) I have some full studio recordings on youtube as well as a couple of live acapellas, if you wanna check out, they all show a large range haha
primohomme 1 year ago
try singin some leo jimenez! check my channel
followingtheomens 1 year ago
@primohomme i would be pleased to. i need to get a web came or a reacorder my last one not working. wen i do you well be the first one i send it to
ayucatATONOMIplasma1 1 year ago
so you're primohomme! good to finally here you sing after listening to so many of your uploaded opera clips! ^v^
raigekimaru 1 year ago
@raigekimaru
hehe well, I have uploaded some other stuff, full songs :P such as my cover of Diva's song from blood+
primohomme 1 year ago
@primohomme
you like anime too?! wow, we really do have a lot in common ^v^
PS: are you sure you're a tenor? what note is your passaggio on?
raigekimaru 1 year ago
@raigekimaru
My passagio starts to happen at around E4 usually, sometimes can take the more baritonal sound higher up to like G#4 or even A4, but by Bb4 I must change to a headier mix in order to reach the Bb, B and tenor high C.
primohomme 1 year ago
raigekimaru 1 year ago
@raigekimaru
Perhaps :P
I can sing tenor leggero quite comfortably and without tiring though, using a headier mix and higher placement. But can also sing lyric baritone comfortably and project as low as G2 still comfortably (lower than that it goes weak, unless singing pop and using a microphone, lol).
primohomme 1 year ago
@primohomme You're mixing lol. It sounds like you're a lower tenor. I've heard of dramatic tenors that soften their voices and almost sound like light-lyrics when they sing high notes though.
restlesspride666 1 year ago
@restlesspride666
Yes, I'm mixing...why would that cause you to laugh? It's the healthy correct way to do it on a note so high.
Even if someone was a tenore contraltino, or even a true male soprano...there's no chest voice so high up there, chest voice starts to leave at F#4, above that it's ratios of chest/head mix
primohomme 1 year ago
@primohomme Oh nooo! I'm not laughing. It's a habit. I'm actually a contraltino. :] I don't have any songs recorded though but I do have voice clips if you care to take a listen.
restlesspride666 1 year ago
@primohomme The only contraltino's I've actually seen on youtube though are strangely enough all east asian.
restlesspride666 1 year ago
@restlesspride666
Here's a wonderful tenore contraltino, singing up to F5 and then at the end doing a cadenza down to D3
watch?v=RjrhTpnZ1Ug
primohomme 1 year ago
@primohomme Oh yes I've already seen him. I have that song on my Itunes.. He sings in mixed voice too and its so beautiful that you can't tell.... you have great tastes.... Russel Oberlin. My hero. I think he stands at about 5 '10 ...or did before he got old. I watched a video lecture of his before on the Castrato he was teaching.
restlesspride666 1 year ago
@raigekimaru My Passaggio is at F4 and Bb4. :]
restlesspride666 1 year ago
could i ask you? about some techniques to refine the voice further?
moa373 1 year ago
@moa373
Sure! what would you want me to tell you about? first I developed my upper extension using the speech level singing by Seth Riggs, and then strengthtened it with bel canto technique.
primohomme 1 year ago
@primohomme well i first wish to say, i love finding fellow singers :) makes me feel more like family :P
i still just need refining so i can have a clear note sang out (ill need to add a personal touch too , i may have lost my free styling when i went into choir lolz but it is refined and what not, )
moa373 1 year ago
i just can hit these note in very small headvoice sound. how to make it bigger?
banglinh222 1 year ago
@banglinh222
More support and dropping the jaw I guess.
primohomme 1 year ago
how on earth do you still keep connection to the body on a freaking C6?! There are so many females that struggle with that...including Leona.
KyoHanjin 1 year ago
@KyoHanjin
I listened to a lot of Monica Naranjo :P and I tried to find her placement for those high belting notes
primohomme 1 year ago
dude. this was epic :D
mrsnickjonas12 1 year ago 5
@mrsnickjonas12
Thanks :D please check out some of my other stuff, each song is different and shows more of my range.
primohomme 1 year ago
Haha I can do this cause im a tenor altino. And 18 years old too, so don't say my voice hasn't changed or any crap like that.lol :P
Plus, he modifies his falsetto.I do it using almost a chesty voice, but heady too.Which i don't suggest you do unless you get training, cause it could screw up your voice something bad.
TranquilApathy 1 year ago