4. Shock jocks and climate change fairy tales - Steaming Toad with HG Nelson

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Oh Christ! Is this fucking for real? These pathetic smug conformist lefty clods are UNBELIEVABLY UNFUNNY! Comedy has to have a least some kernel of truth and basis in reality to work from. So monumentally teenage. So very very laughably laugh free. Embarrasing logical fallacy from lazy ABC echo twerps. Asshats. No, really. Colonel Robert Neville blogspot com, iowahawk typepad com, thepeoplescube com, ZOMBIETIME com, wattsupwiththat com, climatedepot com, eco imperialism com, PJTV com.

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@gmakepiece Must not be Australian - humour bypass.

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@topologyrob Riiight. So it's MY fault that 2 smug conformist left ABC mediocrities R witlessly & embarrassingly UNFUNNY. Got it. Show me the funny. I missed it. Actually I'm Australian with Irish, English & Scottish parents & family. So no. Again, where is the factual epirical basis 4 a single moment of their excrutiatingly UNFUNNY TAX payer funded undergrad drivel? It's all phony abstract ad hominem abstracted from zero. Ugh. A useless shite act. No, really. colonelrobertneville blogspot com

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@topologyrob I await your post of empirical evidence that proves why they R so funny, cos it's sure not apparent from their ACT. Er, iowahawk typepad com IS a great satirical site. Check out the range of comments & who they're from. Gee, maybe YOU can post your brilliant online work books & articles? I'm sure you are a brilliant wit. No. thepeoplescube com dismantles the left twerps on this AWFUL vid. There is nothing they drivel that is NOT a sickening cognitive dissonant logical fallacy

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What's really funny is your list of websites - what a cesspool of nonsense that is. You really think you can persuade people with a bunch of fairy tales?

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@topologyrob Excellent cesspool of logical fallacy, comrade! So we're agreed. YOU have likely never been to any of these sites & never will. Being a left drone you judge in absentia. After all, you have your narcissistic moral vanity driven smug superiority & that's enough for any left phony. You don't really read, do you. You have been well indoctrinated in the art of not reading, being incurious & never doubting a single card in the House of Cards that is leftism. Carry on, junior twerp.

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@gmakepiece Yeah, mate, I read the science - I don't need to go into a bunch of unsubstantiated amateur vanity-published nonsense. I am quite busy enough keeping up with Nature, Science etc. You know, quality, reliable knowledge. When you can point to some decent evidence in the proper literature, you know, where actual science is done, you might persuade someone.

Until then, you can expect to be treated like a creationist or 9/11 "truther" - climate denial is on the same intellectual level.

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@topologyrob Woh, U said the word "science" & that U er, "read it". Sure U do & saying "science" is not proof of anything. The names of the scientists websites books & articles concerned then. U have made a series of baseless false assertions, logical fallacy strawmen, ad hominems, circular arguments & false arguments etc. Nature magazine was embroiled in documented & admitted scandal of manipulating publication of counter facts. Surely U read about it? "climate denial" is a Nazi slur ad hominem

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@gmakepiece I agree, saying "science" is not proof (not that I did that) - evidence is what counts. If you can show some reliable, published, peer-reviewed (ie scholarly) evidence that accounts for the mountainrange of evidence establishing the ridiculously high consensus (at least 97%) amongst the experts, you'll do better than anyone else ever has. It's up to those who want to say the experts are wrong (and to find the evidence, just open any established journal of climate science) to show it.

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@topologyrob Christie has a view that the climate has been effected by people. What he does not agree with is the mass conformist gravy train of exagerated claims of GW elites. Richard Lindzen is another of over 750 scientists who have much to say about what a QUALITY CONTROL FREE money & influence train Global Warming now is. SCIENCE is NOT "consensus". Even Christie and Lindzen and Roy Spencer & many more do not necessarily prove anything. This is an appeal 2 authority & an appeal 2 numbers

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@gmakepiece Your clinging to extremely marginal mavericks indicates that you have an agenda. The default position of a non-expert (which I assume you are) is to go with what mainstream science says. But perhaps that truth is rather too inconvenient for you. It's hardly an appeal to authority - rushing to the margins is far more of that. The evidence indicates AGW - that's why you should stop pretending it's somehow untrue. Completely illogical, mate. And you still don't get HG's humour.

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@topologyrob JOHN R CHRISTIE is NOT "marginal", you disingenupus fool, and you know it or should. Name your "mainstream science". This is a false & meaningless definition. "mavericks" ARE science. Science is largely the story of sceptical individuals who went against the group. Richard Lindzen ditto. Richard Siegmund Lindzen (born February 8, 1940, Webster, Massachusetts) is an American atmospheric physicist & Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

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@gmakepiece Here we go with more appeals to authority. Good one mate - see you, I don't have time for such badly written, incoherent and illogical nonsense. Grow up and deal with the inconvenient truth - we're all in this problem together, and shirkers just make the job for the rest of us harder.

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@topologyrob APparently your er, "job" is saving the world with your unread evidence free brilliance I presume. AGAIN asshat, post the names of your scientists, EVIDENCE, sites, books, articles, links to VIDS & books etc. You never will because you can't because your very first statement was a lie as were all the following ones. "I read the science". You are a typical logical fallacy spouting UNREAD unsourced evidence free left lying twerp. Five stars and goodbye, you ineffective circular twit

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@gmakepiece I don't know why I bother, but I suppose you have a point about citing - though the burden of evidence is on those who would go against mainstream science, to show how the consensus is wrong. It's published everywhere, summarised in the IPCC reports, but here's a good paper summarising some of the evidence for you: Rosenzweig et al. Attributing physical and biological impacts to anthropogenic climate change. Nature 453, 353-357. How do you account for that evidence.

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@topologyrob NO. The burden of evidence is on THE PERSON PRESENTING THE THEORY. This is a basic of logic & the scientific method. Thus showing U R an ignorant lying unread witless asshat leftard. Apparently after 100 German scientists published a book saying Einstein was wrong, Einstein was asked how many scientists it takes to prove someting is true. He answered only one. ALL science is "going against mainstream science". That's how science advances. Science is NOT static or how many agree.

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@topologyrob Ah, of course. Blame the audience because the alleged comedian is not funny. Got it. I don't "get HG's humour" because he is not funny. NAME your top massively qualified scientists working in the atmospheric, climate, oceans & earth fileds. I have named 3. John R Christie, Richard Lindzen & Roy Spencer. Name your websites with massive sourced empirical database OPEN to criticism & correction by ANYBODY, wattsupwiththat com greenspirit com eco-imperialism & climatedepot com

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@gmakepiece Um, any reputable scientific journal, eg. Nature, Science. You seem to think Nature is unreliable - then that makes all of science unreliable. You will have to chuck out the baby with the bathwater. Nature is the world's most respected science journal. Better turn off that computer.

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@topologyrob U don't really care about the scientific method or U WOULD be very concerned how the billions of tax dollars available to academics, groups, politicians & scientists who jump on the GW gravy train, has distorted, compromised & utterly bankrupted rules of logic & evidence. Again, if you actually read Nature, you would know of their manipulation scandals. AGAIN, you said you "read the science". No names, no sites, no articles and no books etc, etc. U R a phony & an incompetent liar

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@topologyrob That is correct. Nature Magazine is unbreliable, though U can always rely on it to censor, manipulate & deny any dissenting counter evidence. This is the nature of their scandal which resulted in resignations & whistleblowing etc. Oh, but you would know that, because you er, "read the science" & "Nature Magazine". U R a luaghable liar & a disingenuous unread phony. Again, name your SCIENTISTS & sites etc. Ya got nothing but logical fallacy strawmen & ad hominem. In short, a leftard

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@topologyrob Your mass indoctrinated left mob ecofasist mind dismantled here. zombietime com, thepeoplescube com, PJTV com, breitbart com, iowahawk tyepad com,atlasshrugs2000 typepad com, lookingattheleft com, michellemalkin com,Tim Blair & andrew Bolt blogs, steynonline com, ringospictures com, dissectleft blogpsot com,ANY PJ ORourke, jihadwatch org, thereligionofpeace com, islammonitor org, Jamie Glazov, Jonah Goldberg,Thomas Sowell, Lt Col Allen B West, FA Hayek, Milton Freidman,prodos com

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@topologyrob Thank U. U did. But then the GW crowd move the goal posts & definitions seemingly everyday. The "peer review" myth has been utterly corrupted. "experts" are often wrong. Why is GW grop think filled with carpetbagging left politicians, leftist academics after GW "research" money in agreement, Marxist leftist radical socialist ecofascist activists & militant unionists of all types and political transvestities making a BILLION DOLLARS in less than years? The money power & influence.

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@gmakepiece How have you arrived at the wild idea that the peer-review process has been corrupted? You should definitely turn off your computer - it relies on technology through science that is verified through peer review. Quick - it's been corrupted! You're in danger.

Or maybe you've been duped by big carbon's deep pockets and lies. There is no corruption of peer review - or show me wrong with some evidence. (And "climategate" does not qualify - that has been completed demonstrated as smear).

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@topologyrob I see that you are laughably INCAPABLE of following a logical train of thought for even a whole sentence. You collapse into juvenile baseless unread logical fallacy every single jaw droppingly disingenuous witless time. AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN, NOW POST YOUR EVIDENCE, your scientists, sites, articles, books, videos, posts and other gee, scientific method proven empirical linked sourced facts. SO far the tally is my, my...ZERO. You are a fake and utterly out of your depth.

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@gmakepiece Sorry mate, you're dreaming. My posts are demonstrably logical, whereas yours are incoherent, spittle strewn rants. I believe you're projecting rather badly.

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@topologyrob Regards your purile strawman argument, "911 Truther" is a left & anarchist thing. I'm a conservative. Conservatism being a set of four proven PRINCIPLES. Respect for the Constitution, meaning rule of law, private property, right to bear arms etc, then limited government, low tax, respect fo life & personal responsibility. Your 'values' on the other hand, are whatever fashionable ecofascist left indoctrination has trained you to have. zombietime com, thepeoplescube com

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@gmakepiece It's nothing to do with left-right - it's about whether the science is reliable. It so clearly is. Your fairy tale ideas are on the level of 911 truth - ie pseudoscientific, evidence-free nonsense.

Btw if you're Australian, I'm not sure why you're going on about the American thing of the "right to bear arms" (going against that redneck craziness was one of John Howard's good points)

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@topologyrob Bwahaha. Riiight. Cos only "redneck crazies" have guns, such as Aboriginal stockmen, Asian sports shooters, all kinds of rofessional women, the military, children and teenagers, Moari's, Olympic shooters, Japanese fishermen, the police, John Howard's security and so on. "redneck" is a racist term but then most leftists are racists and bigots. It's the narcissism and moral vanity smugness. Pure incoherent gold. Again, you are blocke, twerp. Bye bye. You're a bore.

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@topologyrob It's almost EVRYTHING to do with the Marxist sodden ecofascist left. Conservatives prefer proof of why and how etc, leftists demand their same bankrupting, failed and ultimately murderous Utopian narcissistic dreams now. Name a single left idea that DOES NOT involve more government control and higher taxes. There are precisely none. You are a hilarious witless twerp.

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@topologyrob The right 2 bear arms guarantees the right to freedom of speech. One supports the other. There is no freedom of speech without the right 2 bear arms. Without freedom of speech there R no other rights. All truly free people have both while all unfree people ultimately have neither. Thus dictators agree gun control works. Australians are no longer authentically free but provisionally free, that is at the whim of the govt which has removed free speech with the Race & Rel Vil & gun acts

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@topologyrob The right to self defence & the right to bear arms is not just "American", but comes from the British Magna Carta, British Common & Constitutional Law and in other forms in the Australian Constitution. The right to self defence is Natural Law, ie, from the Creator & is an unalienable right for all time & without the need for any justification or pleading to any authority. With this right denied you are NOT free. YouTube PJTV com's Bill Whittle video in six parts 'What We Believe.'

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@gmakepiece I think my right to safety from gun nuts trumps your right to bear arms.

It's great you're conservative - that means you'll want to conserve the environment, hence you'll be on the side of action to address climate change.

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@topologyrob Satire that works is funny. Peter Cook & Dudley Moore are funny. So is P.J O'Rourke, Jerry Seinfeld, Bob Hope, Tim Blair, Groucho Marx & Mark Steyn. So is iowhawk typepad com, bestobamafacts com, thepeoplescube com, thenoseonyourface com & theonion com. Why? Talent QUALITY CONTROL courage individuality & not merely playing to the mutual agreement left mob. Yet the most important part is that the material has SOME connection to a fact or 2. Without this it's literally just stale air

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@gmakepiece This comedy has connection to fact - the fact that there are drongos out there who are so blind that they actually believe the hoax of climate change denial.

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@topologyrob Logical fallacy & thus an irrational argument line. "climate denial", the ad hominem Nazi slur against dissent & the basis of the scientific method which is SCEPTICISM, is not an empirical or measurable fact. IN SCIENCE, the burden of proof is on the one positing the HYPOTHESIS & NOT on anyone to accept it. You appear to have no basic method or logic training whatsoever. "Climate Change" is a tautology, meaning that one of both words are redundant & thus utterly meaningless

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@topologyrob So John R Christie is a "drongo" then? "B.A. in Mathematics (1973) from the California State University, Fresno and a M.S. and Ph.D. in Atmospheric Sciences (1984, 1987) from the University of Illinois. Prior to his scientific career, Christy taught Physics and Chemistry as a missionary teacher in Nyeri, Kenya (1973-75).

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@topologyrob Cont. JOHN R CHRISTIE. "After earning a Master of Divinity degree (1978) from Golden Gate Baptist Seminary he served four years as a bivocational mission-pastor in Vermillion, South Dakota where he also taught college math. [1]

He is a distinguished professor of atmospheric science, and director of the Earth System Science Center at the University of Alabama in Huntsville. He was appointed Alabama's state climatologist in 2000."

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@gmakepiece Christie appears to be a shill for the fossil fuel industry - he is certainly very much denigrated by his peers. His evidence has not managed to persuade the experts. Why do you cling to marginal mavericks instead of looking at what mainstream science says? Do you do that in all areas of science? If so, why are you using a computer - it will probably blow up in your face?

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In other words, Christie may not be a drongo - he may be saying what he needs to say to keep his minders happy and to fit his politics and beliefs in with what he can cope with (but I'm not a mind reader)

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@topologyrob Christie HAS no "minders". U R a disgusting glib laughable evidence & source free UNREAD incurious liar. "Lindzen is known for his work in the dynamics of the middle atmosphere, atmospheric tides and ozone photochemistry. He has published more than 200 books & scientific papers.[1] He was one of ten lead authors working under the co-ordinating lead author Thomas Stocker on Chapter 7, 'Physical Climate Processes and Feedbacks,' of the IPCC Third Assessment Report on climate change.

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@topologyrob Name John Christie's "minders". Naturally U have scientifically based empirical evidence U can link 2. U seem an unread laughably disingenuous incurious lying phony too embarrassed 2 admit U know little 2 nothing beyond the 2nd hand logical fallacy U have passively been indoctrinated with, largely from MSM & friends. Most of the left R unread incurious narcissistic fakes fake rebels fake caring fake facts real conformists & no guts. U R a twit. zombietime com lookingaththeleft com

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@gmakepiece Competitive Enterprise Institute and Exxxxxxon

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@topologyrob Excellent undergrad high schooll student 911Truther conspiracy scattergun strawman cliche comment. I told you that irrational evidence free Trutherism is a left thing. Anything but reading proven facts and serious empirical research, eh. You are as they say, a twit.

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@topologyrob So you put two words together in a juvenile sub slogan and this to you, is evidence. Of what. That you're an unread glib fool. AGAIN drimble, POST your SCINETISTS, the science you ACTUALLY read, the sites, books, articles & videos. You have nothing and know it. Thus you blather about anything but the subject at hand. Good leftard drone.

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@topologyrob JOHN R CHRISTIE. "For his development of a global temperature data set from satellites he was awarded NASA's Medal for Exceptional Scientific Achievement, and the American Meteorological Society's "Special Award."[2] In 2002, Christy was elected Fellow of the American Meteorological Society.[3]

Status and view."

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@topologyrob JOHN R CHRISTIE. "Christy was a lead author for the 2001 report by the IPCC[4] and the US CCSP report Temperature Trends in the Lower Atmosphere - Understanding and Reconciling Differences.[5] Christy helped draft and signed the American Geophysical Union statement on climate change.[6]"