@sythe179 as I said in the video, this is an over simplification of the problem. I recognized that there would be many things not covered, but as the point of the video was to compare which was more energy intensive, adding more energy costs was not really needed.
Assuming that the soil can be reused for subsequent harvests after the firs super expensive one (in terms of calories), I can only surmise that the subsequent caloric values of "Moon Wheat Harvests" would drop drastically.
I shall refer to this theory as caloric start up costs.
After the start up costs, can you guesstimate how many harvests and return deliver trips to earth would it take for Earth Meat to be less efficient that Moon Wheat?
And I'm in awe in front of your mad researching/math skills. You are awesome, and made the avalanche of numbers cool instead of dead boring (as it might have been had my physics teacher tried to do the same ^^)
This is very cool. I can't believe you did all that. The only thing I'm wondering about is if it would have been more energy efficient to do hydroponic wheat.
@acco8675309 undoubtedly, but hydroponics are a race against time, to grow the plant before it gets waterlogged called "Verticillium wilt" basically, over watering. for short cycle plants, this is not a problem, and for plants who will be transplanted to soil, also not a problem. all this means you'd need more people there to take care of the plants, which means more supplies. it's just a bad idea all around.
this becomes effective to grow on the oon using your calculations if we are able to grow 3,751,495 crops of wheat, with no more resources needed to be brought up... so essentially after 4million crops, we are more efficent tat the beef finally.... i wonder what the growing cycle of wheat in space would be, all gravity fields being diffrent and the like... :)
Only "nitpicky" thing: the camera wiggling at times. It was a touch irksome at times, but your fantastic powers of number-crunching canceled out most of the irk. Very, very nicely done.
Also: I was liking the little text comments throughout ^^
Though I'm a bit curious what the caloric value is of the heat, fertilizer, water pumps for irrigation, etc. would be for the space pasta. Though now that I think about it, the same could be calculated for the Earth beef -- in terms of caloric values of cow feed, transport to the slaughterhouse, etc... but given the massive amount of calculations you've already done, I'm not asking :P
@alunalai there was a LOT I had to leave out, (like the energy of the navel ships to pick up the capsules after they land in the ocean, ect. ) first because I didn't want it to turn into a full 50 minute lecture, and second, because it was 2am when I finished my first sec of number-crunching and i really didn't want to continue.
There seems to be a major hole in your math though. This is assuming that the wheat survives the radiation bath from the sun with out any mutations. It would take much more than just one crop to produce enough non-mutated grain for an acre of it.
@LadybugGirlShow sweet! my report has now been peer reviewed! XD
but yeah, the number crunching wasn't the hard part, it was the remembering the numbers so I could say them on camera without reading my notes that was the hard part.
Wow. I very briefly considered trying to figure out the problem (for about...0.32 seconds) but I didn't think anybody actually would. Very impressive!!!
You.are.amazing. And saved me hours of fruitless work because I would have had to try and do it and I would have failed miserably. You are made of awesome. Also you look and sound like my friend Tony. And I admire your intellect and patience sense you would need an abundance of both to do this. Once again. awesome.
again, some more things to consider.
energy cost for melting ice caps, and transport to the said "farm"?
energy cost for keeping "farmers" alive during the "cold season"?
source of food for farmers during "farming" time?
dirt would need to be deeper becouse, you do not lay seeds on flat dirt. trenches need to be there for exess water usage.
if its 7.** foot, then increase it it 9.23
whats the energy consumption for added event-varibles?
aka: solor-storm, metor hitting plants, cold time.
sythe179 10 months ago
@sythe179 as I said in the video, this is an over simplification of the problem. I recognized that there would be many things not covered, but as the point of the video was to compare which was more energy intensive, adding more energy costs was not really needed.
TheDanc1nghawk 10 months ago
so, with that amount of ships, a few things to consider also.
1. how much energy is used making the fuel?
2. are you making ore than 1 ship, and if so, how much, and how uch energy is spent making the ships.
3. how much energy is spend making the raw materials into pasta?
4. where are you lifing off from? area costs fluctuate depending on what economy your in.
5. what energy is spent keeping people alive inside the vessel during flight?
6. whats growing the plants?
sythe179 10 months ago
This was so cool that you did that. (In response to VlogBrother plea.)
I just watched a 6 min. math video & was very entertained.
It helped that the host was hot too ;-)
AuntEon 1 year ago
I still love this SO much!
outofthedark 1 year ago
@outofthedark YAY!
TheDanc1nghawk 1 year ago
You're my hero. I'm subscribing just from seeing this video.
sitbunnynow 1 year ago
Math for the win. That was so freaking epic. I just love number crunching.
Flashfire97 1 year ago
So good! Keep it up.
outofthedark 1 year ago
Assuming that the soil can be reused for subsequent harvests after the firs super expensive one (in terms of calories), I can only surmise that the subsequent caloric values of "Moon Wheat Harvests" would drop drastically.
I shall refer to this theory as caloric start up costs.
After the start up costs, can you guesstimate how many harvests and return deliver trips to earth would it take for Earth Meat to be less efficient that Moon Wheat?
Cathyjr322 1 year ago
@Cathyjr322 I covered that in the description bar
TheDanc1nghawk 1 year ago
THAT. I love nerdfighteria.
And I'm in awe in front of your mad researching/math skills. You are awesome, and made the avalanche of numbers cool instead of dead boring (as it might have been had my physics teacher tried to do the same ^^)
auroralunascopes 1 year ago
@auroralunascopes your physics teacher didn't have the benefit of jump cuts. >_<
TheDanc1nghawk 1 year ago
CONGRATS! Hank talked about your video! 8D
mouseinsneakers 1 year ago
This is why the space pasta should be made with quadrotriticali
Desdemonakaylose 1 year ago
@Desdemonakaylose I love you so hard right now. #TrekkiesFTW!!!
TheDanc1nghawk 1 year ago
If farmville took place on the moon I might actually play it.
enya0742 1 year ago
how about the cow feed?
MegaAppless 1 year ago
@MegaAppless He probably took that into account when calculating the energy cost of beef
copilot10 1 year ago
Not to be a creeper, but I'm kind of in love with you after watching this. Go Nerdfighters!
ams3188 1 year ago
Amurrica XD
Zanirtak 1 year ago
@Zanirtak XD
TheDanc1nghawk 1 year ago
vegetarians eat eggs. VEGANS don't.
Zanirtak 1 year ago
The text comments were hilarious!
punkslilncs 1 year ago
@punkslilncs thank you. I like them too. I'm thinking it might be a thing. I used it in my velociraptor video.
TheDanc1nghawk 1 year ago
This is very cool. I can't believe you did all that. The only thing I'm wondering about is if it would have been more energy efficient to do hydroponic wheat.
acco8675309 1 year ago
@acco8675309 undoubtedly, but hydroponics are a race against time, to grow the plant before it gets waterlogged called "Verticillium wilt" basically, over watering. for short cycle plants, this is not a problem, and for plants who will be transplanted to soil, also not a problem. all this means you'd need more people there to take care of the plants, which means more supplies. it's just a bad idea all around.
TheDanc1nghawk 1 year ago
Nicely done. You sir, are my hero.
Dezibahn 1 year ago
this becomes effective to grow on the oon using your calculations if we are able to grow 3,751,495 crops of wheat, with no more resources needed to be brought up... so essentially after 4million crops, we are more efficent tat the beef finally.... i wonder what the growing cycle of wheat in space would be, all gravity fields being diffrent and the like... :)
wonderful video
pyro5050 1 year ago
@pyro5050 growing it yes, but if we need to bring it to the earth, then it stops being more efficient.
TheDanc1nghawk 1 year ago
NERDFIGHTERS.
Only "nitpicky" thing: the camera wiggling at times. It was a touch irksome at times, but your fantastic powers of number-crunching canceled out most of the irk. Very, very nicely done.
Also: I was liking the little text comments throughout ^^
g2theIrishPianist 1 year ago 2
I usually use a tripod, but I couldn't find the quick-release plate, so the camera was on a kleenex box. sorry.
TheDanc1nghawk 1 year ago
well done
rubius0 1 year ago
"I've always wanted to say that..."
Haven't we all?
This was kind of epic.
waterfaerie124 1 year ago 14
This is a completely beast video.
zrzk 1 year ago
Well done, sir!
Though I'm a bit curious what the caloric value is of the heat, fertilizer, water pumps for irrigation, etc. would be for the space pasta. Though now that I think about it, the same could be calculated for the Earth beef -- in terms of caloric values of cow feed, transport to the slaughterhouse, etc... but given the massive amount of calculations you've already done, I'm not asking :P
alunalai 1 year ago
@alunalai there was a LOT I had to leave out, (like the energy of the navel ships to pick up the capsules after they land in the ocean, ect. ) first because I didn't want it to turn into a full 50 minute lecture, and second, because it was 2am when I finished my first sec of number-crunching and i really didn't want to continue.
TheDanc1nghawk 1 year ago
There seems to be a major hole in your math though. This is assuming that the wheat survives the radiation bath from the sun with out any mutations. It would take much more than just one crop to produce enough non-mutated grain for an acre of it.
xlstadal 1 year ago
@xlstadal I would assume that if there is a moon base (condition #2) , they have figured out the radiation problem.
TheDanc1nghawk 1 year ago
So much math. O_O. *head explode*
mariafoo 1 year ago
@mariafoo oh, shucks, and you had such a pretty head too. oh well. *grabs mop and bucket*
TheDanc1nghawk 1 year ago
YOU GOT FEATURED! =D
ZMComedy 1 year ago 2
@ZMComedy I SAW! XD
TheDanc1nghawk 1 year ago
Cool video! I have a math degree and my wife has an astrophysics degree so we loved all the number crunching. Thumbs up!!!
LadybugGirlShow 1 year ago
@LadybugGirlShow sweet! my report has now been peer reviewed! XD
but yeah, the number crunching wasn't the hard part, it was the remembering the numbers so I could say them on camera without reading my notes that was the hard part.
TheDanc1nghawk 1 year ago
omg. this was awesome.
Asraiah 1 year ago
We vegetarians have no problems with eggs. It's the vegans, you're thinking of :P
TheEditingShop 1 year ago 6
@TheEditingShop eh, you all look alike to me. #IsThatRacist?
TheDanc1nghawk 1 year ago 3
Wow. I very briefly considered trying to figure out the problem (for about...0.32 seconds) but I didn't think anybody actually would. Very impressive!!!
TresChic16 1 year ago
Whoa! :)
firnantok 1 year ago
NERD!!!!!!!!!!
LOL... thats a lot of research!
chrisbogdan 1 year ago
Wow, Jon ... wow ... *applauds*
- Jason
crimsong19 1 year ago
You.are.amazing. And saved me hours of fruitless work because I would have had to try and do it and I would have failed miserably. You are made of awesome. Also you look and sound like my friend Tony. And I admire your intellect and patience sense you would need an abundance of both to do this. Once again. awesome.
brightgreenskribbles 1 year ago
That was really, really amazing.
Ravenclaw ftw!
mouseinsneakers 1 year ago
This is an impressive way to spend time :)
SpeedyReedyTV 1 year ago
@SpeedyReedyTV I started researching at 10pm friday, and was done editing at 5:50am saturday.
TheDanc1nghawk 1 year ago