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  • Check out Gary lam Taiji 4 clip, my master never let my feet solid on the ground, so he bounce and toss me without this kind hard move.

  • I can refere you good Taiji master if you realy want learn taiji

  • Check out Gary lam Taiji on YouTube the second clip have push hand demo

  • It is so sham to see this kind of Chinese famous master show nothing about Taiji internal kongfu. This master know nothing about Taiji at all. This is kind of kongfu but don't say Taiji kong Fu please!

  • @bdzbk1 where's your fucking video?

  • He's throwing that guy are around like nothing, and he's half his size.

  • Dropped him like a sack of puppies.

  • Excellent throw

  • Why would a traditional stylist water down their art and play by MMA rules designed to protect the participants from harm? I have eperience with MMA and I have taught combatives to military personel. The two are different, traditional arts are designed for combat applications. Chen Bing rocks.

  • @BlindApe79 finally someone who can appreciate the differences between mma and traditional arts....both are good and it depends on what you really want to learn...sport vs. combat....thanks ape!

  • @BlindApe79 ah. touche!

  • i can see why people might find the idea of him beating an mma hard to believe because it looks like Master Chen Bing would need to get a good hold on him and maybe an MMA fighter would just use fast strikes to knock him out, but surely Master Bing would be able to pwn in like olympic wrestling, where its all about getting a good hold and stuff?

  • Chen Style in the cage?....It's about time.

  • Yeah, it's about time.

    Now, where is it?

  • The techniques look effective - but it's not 'wrong' to question things deeply. In the end, we're all looking for effective ideas and techniques, so we all have to look at the positives AND see the shortfalls. Chen Bing is great, but he IS demonstrating, not fighting. I don't think it's a crime to honestly assess what we're seeing.

  • the INTERNAL STYLES USE BODY SENSITIVITY TRAINING SO AS TO ENHANCE THE ABILITY TO CONTROL A RESISTING OPPONENT WITH OUT RAW MUSCLE. AN MMA FIGHTER WOULD HAVE A VERY DIFFICULT TIME TRYING TO SUBDUE SOMEONE LIKE CHEN BING.

  • @lopda777 Does master Chen Bing know punching and kicking? From what I've seen his throwing skills are phenomenal, but as we all know MMA is a sport, and as such you need to have good punching and kicking, to hold up well in such scenario.

  • @lopda777 to be effective in the sport of wrestling you must also train body sensitivty. And there is a great deal of emphasis on it espesially at a collegiate level. Alot if not most mma guys have a wrestling background and thru it have aquired a solid base. So it would be foolish to underestimate that.

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  • @Kilik11 Interesting, sounds like this guy is truly amazing, would love to see more of his stuff.

  • The fact that it is making mma wannabes so mad and upset is proof that this video is proving Tai Chi is an effective fighting system. Oh, sorry, too bad so sad, just because you did mma for a month DOES NOT mean you can beat someone trained in authentic traditional martial arts. Sorry that this video bursts your delusions about tma and shows that mma is not superior.

  • And just because he does a little holding hands and tossing around a student doesn't mean this will work in a fight either.

    Keep in mind i'm a TMA practitioner, I've never done MMA in my life.

  • I will take on any challenge that someone wants to put forth..I am a Chen Family Taiji Decisiplem, ad a trus expoent will take on challenges....so those that want a shot at me as I believe I am the only taiji fighter that will actually fight. Old school rules, knock outor submisssion...Kimbo style....let's see who steps up.

  • Internet challenges became a joke somewhere in 1996...

    If you're truly serious about it why won't you get into a local MMA competition, kick ass, take names and post video to youtube.

    Understand that I'm not saying you can't, but after more than 15 years of modern vale tudo/mma events it's YOU (or other Chen stylists, doesn't matter) that needs to step up, not the other way around.

  • Your right! Traditional Martial Artists do need to step up, accept challenges. I do what I do. I make it plainly clear that anyone that thinks I am bullshit can find me. Any traditional fighters that don't accept challenges are not fighters. No one has challenged me. As for my personally stepping up. I NEVER said MMA fighters were shitty to begin with. I love the sport, got no beef w/ them, only them w/ us, so its they that should challenge 1 of us...just beat our asses on UTube & end it.

  • OK, I can see your point now.

    I myself *don't* believe in "not-in-MMA => doesn't work" and most of us know this is BS.

    However, I do believe that MMA is an excellent testing ground for exposing weaknesses (and strengths) of styles and techniques.

    I myself would LOVE to see a Chen stylist entering the octagon and kicking ass... that would be interesting to watch.

    The vid shows impressive power generation but many of us reserve judgement until we see an actual application in a (MMA?) competition.

  • I'm not sure it would do well in MMA, he needs a more well-rounded style. It's awesome in a real-life application where you can put someone on his ass and run away, but in the ring the other fighter will just get up and pound him into submission.

  • chen taiji is designed for an armies. not for running away.

  • @halfassedfart Tai Chi is one of the most well-rounded martial arts. It encompasses Shuai (wrestling), Na (seizing/locking), Ti (Kicking), and Da( Striking). Some of the best Lei Tai(no-rule MMA on raised wooden platforms) fighters in ancient China were Tai Chi practitioners.

  • @ForwardIntent Perhaps in ancient China. But martial arts sports has evolved a lot since then. Back then people only did one style, nowdays, people take the best of each style and adapt them to their own self, thereby creating a more advanced and athletic form of sport. In terms of well-rounded, I really haven't seen that from all these masters. I feel the ones that can use applications mostly focus on push-hands, or grappling/throws, and some qin na, but I haven't seen much good kicking/boxin

  • @wushumaro Why haven't you seen kicking and striking from all these masters? Is it because you've never trained with them before? Is it because you only rely on Youtube as your ultimate source to understanding a martial art? It's also a shame that you compare a martial art designed for killing to watered down sport fighting.

  • (PART 2) There has been countless martial arts since ancient times with plenty of mixing and cross training. People used only one style?? WHAT A JOKE! Ancient Lei Tai Beimo had everything in modern MMA, but more realistic and brutal. Getting maimed or killed were common results of ancient Lei Tai. Death waivers were signed prior to entering the platform. Modern MMA is extremely watered down.

  • @ForwardIntent I must admit I haven't trained Chen style taiji, I've only researched through countless books, and websites looking at the best each person says they have to offer. I would think it safe to assume that if you read about their websites, see all their videos, read their writings and theories, etc, then you would be better apt to making a decision on to the goals and strengths of a style more aptly than by spending a few months studying with one of them, right?

  • @ForwardIntent Oh, and by the way, I'm mostly talking about Jeet Kun Do in that previous comment. Bruce Lee claimed that he himself went out and fought all these masters who claimed they were taiji masters but found they weren't apt fighters. I don't know who he was talking about, nor am i discrediting master Chen Bing. I'm merely saying that in terms of fighting, it seems to lack a few things. Can you show videos otherwise? I would love to be "better informed" as you might put it.

  • @banarelo Don't forget MMA is still a sport. and some martial arts (ie Krav Maga) just wouldn't work under those rules. So each element of martial arts has it's purpose, martial sports purpose is to win based on the rules, martial arts for military's purpose is to kill the most efficiently, martial arts for self-defense is to avoid trouble, martial arts for performance and stunts also has it's purpose. To each their own. I'm just sayin!

  • @wushumaro

    1. MMA is indeed a sport but currently there is no other, more realistic (and legal) way to test someone's skills in H2H combat. (not to mention that MMA competitions are much MORE realistic than all the sparring sessions in the dojos). This point has been beaten to death before and you'' have to come up with something better than this.

    2. MMA competition is a sport but on the street anyone, including the MMA fighter, can use dirty techniques. Do you eye gouge in sparring?thought so

  • @banarelo I don't have to come up with anything pal.

    A more realistic Martial Art can be found in the true origins of the word "martial," aka in War, or law enforcement.

    I eye gouge in sparring all the time, i kick in the crotch. We wear eye protection in my style though, and cups...

    So what's your point? My point still stands, that each style has the best needs for their own purpose. MMA is good for sports/athletic competitions, Military style are best for killing/maming, and so on...

  • @wushumaro MMA competitons are a sport (i.e they have rules), same as Karate competitions, TC push hands competitions, sparring sessions in your gym/dojo/kwoon (you don't eye gouge - you SIMULATE eye gouge and use protection, there's no protection and no simulation on da str33t....), sports gun shooting, etc.. but the MAs THEMSELVES can be used differently. What stops a boxer from punching someone in the back of the head if the need arises?what stops a BJJ player from dislocating someone's arm?

  • @banarelo You fight the way you train. If you fight with rules you will instinctively develop a fighting method based on those same rules. If you train eye gouging, you will instinctively go for the eye gouge in a real fight situation where instinct takes over, and since the other person won't be wearing goggles.... What do you think will be the end result? Do you practice martial arts? You should know that if you've ever been in any fights before.

  • @wushumaro [re: rules] but _YOU_ DO fight with rules... you don't actually eye gouge nor maim your training partners nor stab them with a real knife nor smash a chair on their head etc. etc.

    According to your logic ("you fight the way you train" which I agree on... to a point) - on the street you'll refrain from using those techniques because you've never used them for real...

    Dirty techniques are all good, but they're the cherry on top, if you will, not Kryptonite.

  • @banarelo I'm not saying you will refrain from using techniques, I'm saying instinctively you will fight the way you train. In a fight, (if you've ever been in one) everything happens so quickly and instantaneously. There's hardly ever a moment to think "oh i should eye gouge." If you didn't train to go for that move you will not execute it. Plain and simple. You fight the way you train, you compete the way you train, you execute the way you train...

  • @wushumaro [dirt, cont.] Training someone to eye gouge or bite is nothing - there's no technique involved, hell, even a 5 y.o girl knows how to bite and pull hairs..

    But it take skill to take unwilling opponent down, it takes skill to punch a kickboxer or get in a mount position on someone with grappling experience. You can't eye gouge someone if you're not in a position 1st, or are busy being knocked out/choked out.

  • @banarelo again, "pulling hair?" Where do you get this from? If you don't train how to properly or effectively eye gouge, then you're just brawling and "pulling hair and scratching face" as you mention. Which is more effective than doing nothing, but probably not as effective unless you get lucky. It's more effective if you're trained properly on how to incapacitate a person based on bio-mechanics. Hence the point of training, again...

  • @banarelo Oops... "salsasociety" was me. Someone was using my computer and forgot to log out. My bad.

  • @wushumaro Unarmed police officer taking down armed opponent = dead LEO. Police officer taking down (not shooting) unarmed opponent = grappling.

    "It's more effective if you're trained properly on how to incapacitate a person based on bio-mechanics" EXACTLY my point. I'm surprised you don't agree with me. You will have VERY hard time to gouge someone's eye without a proper position - the exact positions training in BJJ will teach you to get even against a resisting opponent.

  • @wushumaro [re: biting] a lot of RBSD people claim it's very effective and will disagree with you.

    I thought you were talking about dirty techniques in general that's why I mentioned other things.

    Why in your opinion an eye gouge is easier to achieve than a bite?

  • @wushumaro Also, you didn't adress the issues of training specifically to eye gouge - again, there's NO technique involved! (in the action of the finger/thumb itself)

    The technical/hard part is achieving the position and controlling (and staying conscious avoiding being knocked out) the other person to do it in the 1st place.

    Also, maiming/killing someone will land you in jail unless you can PROVE (in court) beyond a shadow of a doubt you were in danger for your life. Good luck with that.

  • @wushumaro [dirt part 3 :) ] And another point for you to ponder on: you believe that if you don't train how to eye gouge and bite you won't do it in a real fight yet in reality many rape(/attempts) victims (women with no MA background whatsoever) do it *instinctively* when facing their assailant (others, sadly, freeze. Or do some other thing but that's not the point). How do you reconcile this?

    They never did any fancy training with goggles yet know to bite and claw their attacker's face...

  • @banarelo who said anything about biting? Biting isn't very effective bro, not to mention it can chip your teeth or worse... when did i say anything about biting? Will you please just address the points I talk about and not bring up things you imagine i said? thanks.

  • @wushumaro [cont.]

    Since you don't eye gouge in sparring nor maiming or killing - you in fact practice with similar "sporting" rules! There's no way around it.

    3. How come one can't use TC/IMA/KF in a ring to prove it's effectiveness? What, there's are no kicks, punches, grabs which aren't directed at "forbidden" body parts? (if so, how do you spar, exactly?)

    4. In the video there's a demonstration of using the internal mechanics/energy in sparring - why can't they use it in a competition?

  • @banarelo 3. The reason is that the rules are diffn't. MMA has rules setup as a sport. That's the same reason Jiu jitsu fighters were winning so much early on. The rules were in their advantage. Would you ask Military styles of MA to "prove" themselves at a sports tournament? lol

    4. I don't know enough about Tai Ji to comment on that.

  • @wushumaro

    First, lets lay to rest the notion that UNarmed MAs have ever been used extensively on battlefields - they never were.

    Wars involved weapons ever since the first human decided to grab a stone or a thigh bone to strike with and in no point in history did an Aikido army stormed upon the Karate army (to paraphrase Marc McYoung)... Anyone who ever found himself without a weapon in the midst of a battlefield (modern or ancient) was in dip shit.

    

  • @banarelo In a military style battle, you have your weapons. The moment you become disarmed you better know how to fight empty handed. End of story.

  • @wushumaro [re: "military styles"] Could you give an example of "military style" empty handed MA?

    If you're disarmed it's "nice" to know H2H but lets face it - facing a gun, sword, an arrow from a bow or even a knife - you have very slim chances.

    And that was my whole point: talking about the efficacy of empty hand MAs on the battlefield is ludicrous and no such MA have been proven effective (because it was never used extensively on any battlefield because it's suicide).

  • @banarelo Police taking down an armed opponent, or even an unarmed one. Riot police going against an angry mob where minimal violence must be used... i can go on.

  • @wushumaro [cont.] Also, check out Meir Shahar's book "The Shaolin Monastery: History, Religion, and the Chinese Martial Arts". He's a professor of history and culture of the far east and an expert on the subject who researched the origins of the Shaolin martial arts through scriptures and stone inscribing. His conclusion about EMPTY HAND styles is that they were developed as a gymnastic exercise rather than combat systems and used to promote health and spirituality. so much for the "War" stuff

  • @banarelo Hey, thanks for the book recommendation, will check it out as it seems an interesting read. Note: I never said Shaolin Martial Arts weren't acrobatics or exercise based. I appreciate the point you're making about Shaolin Empty hand not being a military style. But that's not what I'm talking about here...

  • @banarelo Secondly. The reason it favored BJJ fighters is because the matting, the fence, and the rules. Either way, it wasn't very realistic to an open field situation. It's also not very realistic as a "fighting art" in a brawl. Since once you go down to the ground, there's the possibility that you're gonna have his buddies come over and kick you in the back of the head. There goes the idea of being like a "str33t fight" as you call them.

  • @wushumaro [re: BJJ]: matting - helps the non-grappler more (he's the one who's gonna land on it after all :). Fence - Unless you live in a desert most places have walls, whether it's on the street with buildings/fences/shops etc. or in barroom. It wouldn't change much because it faster for human to go forward than back (trying to protect from a takedown). Rules... see my previous comment.

    Multiple opponents/brawls - Agreed, not a good plan to go willingly to the ground.

  • @wushumaro [BJJ cont.] Note that the Gracies themselves do not advocate going to the ground for the same reasons but you do need to be familiar with it and know how the get up = grappling.

    A lot of fights also happen between 2 people without intervention.

    Also, I never claimed that BJJ is the ultimate MA. It has it's limitations but the techniques and training methods have proven effective many times.

  • @banarelo I disagree, why would they want to step up when they don't practice by MMA rules? We all know MMA is just a sport, but a real life combat/ ie military style, it's different. as is self-defense, etc. I don't think Chen stylists need to do anything to prove themselves though.

  • really? where do u live?

  • @taijiboxer954

    What part of the country are you in? I'm in Houston, and would love to take you up. However, if you live in any major city in the U.S., all you need do is find a Gracie Jiujitsu gym and sign the waiver. I'm sure they would allow you to film it.

  • @dcjkd103 How would you like to engage? By what rules? Are you interested in just beating up someone or are you interested in actually sharing knowledge and benefitting everyone? I'm in Houston too and I love sparring with everyone.

  • @Bluesiytangco Well, we could possibly to it at Sugarland Mixed Martial Arts where I train, or perhaps in one of the parks close to Bellaire where you are located. And, we can either use mma gloves to protect our hands (I have broken my knuckles too many times over the years) or just wraps.

  • @dcjkd103 Sounds great! I've been trying to place my email address on here so you can contact me and we can work out the details of when, where, and how. But for some reason this thing won't let me. However, you can get my email through my website which is posted on my channel.

  • @taijiboxer954 I would like to try (i know i would get my ass beat) but it'd be fun just to see and feel it, and afterward I would probably ask you to teach me some skills. Are you near L.A. by any chance?

  • Thank you very much for putting this video up and please don't worry about what nameless and faceless people anonymously say about it online. There are alot of crappy Tai Chi videos on the internet and this more combat oriented type of demonstration is really what there is a REAL need for.

  • I really wanna see this mma idiot get hurt, but he's obviously full of shit and making things up. As if he ever met Chen Xiaowang. See people who do chen style arent generally stupid and gullible enough to believe stories from people who are obviously unintelligent and ignorant too. Heelhook is just a moron kid who got brainwashed by watching too many mma fights and gay porn videos. The reality is no mma fighter has ever seen a real tma fighter, a true tma fighter will kill any modern idiot.

  • i have a great time learning from master chen bing. He's really down to earth. Healthwise, practicing tai chi can good for back. Martial art wise, more awareness about your balance and minimizing our weakness. I'm not a big stature guy. i can't fight big guy with karate. i have to use softer style like kung fu, taichi or aikido. Some people think that strength alone can fit their style, if they are big and strong, then it is for them. But the idea that only strength that prevail is ridiculous.

  • Dude, thats been said of most wrestling also. Wrestlers, BJJ'ers, Judo players etc would get knockd the f out by strikers. and its true, if thats all they do (this also goes for tai chi).

    But whats interesting is that Tai Chi looks pretty good in comparison to the current takedowns in MMA. Maybe someone who mixes strikes with this style of take downs might be a good fighter?

  • Fighters aren't supposed to have skill in talking, go to law school if you want to debate. You say that he would get beaten in a real fight, but he was just demoing GRAPPLING, and that's it. Striking wasn't a part of what he was showing off. Now get back to your energy drinks and wanking off to Gracie videos.

  • sounds like your head had been injured in wrestling.

  • any where near nc? if you are, I will show you that taiji doesn't cry. Just have paramedics standing by.

  • where are you. It is easy to hide behind a gay online persona. I have been itching for a fight to show youtube about taiji. Peronal message me where you are. I get around the US a little bit.

  • This was supposed to be a private email, but heelhook has friendslock on. Must be scared.

    Hmmmm, you like rolling around on the ground with sweaty dudes, and you all me a fag. I did not drop to the levels of insults. Just offered to show you.

    The paramedics were for you.

    Rich.

    If you want to be like a little boy, hiding behind your online screenname, fine. If you care to see that taiji is a martial art, let me know where you are.

    I figure you are too scared.

  • so, all you know how to fight with is grade school insults and words. You give legitimate MMA a bad wrap. Go home and grow up.

    The invitation still stands if you would like to find out what BS you spew. BTW, my account is not friends only, so you could private message me if you were afraid of public humiliation.

    I am just sick and tired of idiot babies like you that are always spewing comments here.

  • Cali is a big state scaredy boy. I will be in LA in Nov. are you close to there?

  • Maybe you should listen morre (in this case read more). North Carolina.

  • how is that pussying out. I told you where. If you get to NC, I would drive to meet you.

    The only "pussy" in this whole thread seems to be you.

    I trained all day today to meet silly little boys like you.

  • It felt weird having a day without a blatantly stupid comment from HeelHook123. I truly have never conversed with one so unintelligent and disrespectful. Unless you count my kids when they were 11.

  • Not sure why you keep calling me son, considering my son would probably be able to take you. Obviously you talk out your fourth point of contact.

    It is also obvious that you do not comprehend the English language. If you are going to be in North Carolina, South Carolina or North Georgia, let me know.

  • i see what you are saying and i appreciate the input about the throws, but the truth is that in this video Chen Bing is leaving out strikes because if he were to use any percussive force against this guy he would probably cause serious internal damage, taiji does have strikes and they are mainly implamented when the opponent is off balance and weak, using fa jing to deliver the force

  • Yeah but don't you know that Chen style tai chi ALSO has elbows, needs, punches, kicks, shoulder strikes, palm heel to the nose, throat strikes etc...

  • Again I have respect for anyone who trains hard in any art that they choose. There is always something to learn from ALL arts. Many of my better friends are avid MMA practitioners and we share knowledge all the time. However I have NO respect for anyone who throws their negative comments as if they were fishing for a fight for no reason.

  • I say put up or shut dumbass. You apparently have no honor, respect, or any positive qualities whatsoever. These are elements that were taught in the traditional arts but are sorely lacking in today's modern practitioners.

  • in the art of war mma promotion in china there is a lot of sanda and bjj but there has been some successful tai chi guys

  • Beautifully done.

  • I believe all original styles, maintain the Taiji fighting skills, i.e. Mario Napoli, CMC stylist, handled the Chinese at their own game in push hands in Jiazuo, China, Bruce Frantzis Wu stylist,has powerful taiji skills, all legitimate styles can move with internal power. The reason so many Taiji teachers do not have this skill is because they did not have teachers who knew it or they teach Taiji as simply a health & meditation art, not to mention the "New Age" taiji types...

  • Chen-family Taiji Quan ("Tai Chi") is very different from the modern variations that come from it. The Chen's maintain the original martial power of taiji that has so often been lost. ...and it happens to be really great for your physical, mental, & spiritual health! What more can you ask for?

  • yo! can we see more of what he does? (please)

    thank you!

  • Having attended two workshops with chen,bing I can honestly say that I personally have seen him throw large men who have challenged him. He weighs around 150 lbs. He is not "buffed", in the muscular sense, but he knows how to throw people around. He may not have any ground skills but he is difficult to throw because he is rooted/grounded. He is also a very humble, nice person who is willing to share his knowledge openly.

  • Modern kungfu = win.

  • Beautiful!

  • The real taiji =)

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