E.g. I might be a 12 year-old Japanese girl from a rich family; I read Oliver Twist and it seems boring; I then watch three or four good documentaries about Victorian Britain, understand more about the culture and begin to like Oliver Twist and it becomes my favourite book.
Contrastingly, no matter how much I learn about the real-life culture & habits of 21st century American batchelors, Two and a Half Men will ALWAYS be a piece of shit.
Am I the only one wondering why Nirvana let Chinese people write their lyrics using hurled alphabet fridge-magnets?
I mean, there's a dim sense of social commentary in there - and boy do I mean dim - but I feel like it's not even trying. I thought Bleach was the best and most 'edgy' Nirvana album when I was in my teens but at the time I couldn't decipher any of it and assumed I was simply not cool enough to understand. Like a crappy old toy, I made it better with sheer imagination.
@FrogmortonHotchkiss Art is imagination, if you can't understand the beauty of something capable of being interpreted, then, I have a solution for you, it's 16, is famous for it's hair, and sings like a girl.
@modulomath Haha, that was totally unnecessary and snooty, but funny. I actually have studied the theory of art in some depth and the whole question of relative vs absolute standards is always a tricky one. The lyrics of Bleach DO suck though. Suck hard. Kurt even said so himself!
@FrogmortonHotchkiss Art is imagination. Do you not get that? Basically you either get it or you don't. Art does not abide by standards, the standards creators are nothing but idiots trying to dish on their subliminal urges. Just as I can call anything I want art, I can all anything I want the most brilliant piece of art on earth. And in the tradition of all great artists, I'll take being the only one calling rocks supreme art with a heavy dose of ironic pride.
@modulomath If you reduce it to nothing you're left with nothing. Artists are trying to say SOMETHING. What does Big Cheese say? You can say 'oh any expression is art' - fair enough, but I can call it bad art if I want. What's being expressed? Something beautiful and profound or something base and stupid? Think about it, don't be a lazy relativist with throwaway sayings like 'art is imagination'. Anyone can say that but not everyone can make something beautiful.
@FrogmortonHotchkiss I understand that you think there is a relevant level of quality in art, but quality is also relative to and degraded by time; and not always because it is outmoded, but sometimes just too different. When you compare things is how you fail as an observer, if you simply observe art and its merits as presented, as opposed to comparing art with innately comparison based modes of thinking like "beauty", then you can understand the depth that exists in the superficially asinine.
@modulomath That seems interesting but somewhat unclear. If you are saying that Big Cheese is good in a way that is distinctly 'of its time' that is harder to appreciate now, well, I know that this is possible but if you want me to accept that Big Cheese is a case of this you have to make the case, which is what art criticism/analysis is about. When people don't have the background to appreciate some piece of art, you can sometimes fill in the blanks for them so they can get it.
@FrogmortonHotchkiss Think of the lyrics as an accent to the song. If you read the lyrics alone they fail, it is not a poem. The meaning, if there is anything to be read into it realistically could only be known in the abstract, I don't think anything particular when I listen to this song, I just sense the energy and angst. There's something about the repetition and randomness that tug at my thoughts as I listen.
@modulomath Yep I understand that about lyrics. I listened to the song this way as a teenager. I didn't know what half the lyrics were exactly and I would wonder what exactly Kurt was singing, what it meant and I would dreamily imagine allsorts and get abstract impressions or bits of stories. This is fine. Now I'm older the song reads to me like juvenilia. This isn't because I have become conservative and stodgy; it's because I have more confidence and clarity of thought.
@FrogmortonHotchkiss I disagree, you are conservative and stodgy. You want to compare things, because you *think* you know what is beautiful and right in the world. You have been programmed by a lifetime of watching the news and TV and reading reviews to think there are real boundaries between good and bad and there are not.
@modulomath Think about it for a moment: you obviously make comparative judgements and have your own views of what is and isn't beautiful - obviously, just from what you've said here. Don't pretend otherwise while making cliched assumptions about strangers. You seem to believe you're an elite intelligent person in a world of TV-watching zombies - sorry, you're wrong. I have been patient with you but your conversation has been arrogant and pointlessly rude; does rudeness get you off or something?
@FrogmortonHotchkiss I feel I have to come back to this point because it has importance beyond just questions about art: YOU CANNOT ESCAPE RELATIVE JUDGEMENT. It's the nature of mind itself. No black without white, no good without bad, no something without nothing, etc. Don't pretend to transcend this; you are only ignoring your own prejudices while pointing accusingly at others, which is gross hubris. If you actually manage to transcend relativity someday please tell me about it.
@FrogmortonHotchkiss I am saying do not make comparisons. I am not saying pretend you like everything equally. I am personally sick of how society tries to categorize everything with ratings, its dumb. Even in schools now there is a movement to do away with all the testing, because human beings are not comparable, we are each unique and while some of us may prefer certain things, we should refrain from saying xyz is better, or even worse, that xyz sucks, you have no right to denigrate any art
@modulomath Think it through. Instead of rattling off a reply in the same vein as before, literally take five minutes to think about what I'm saying, please. 'Not liking everything equally' is THE SAME as comparing things; your likes and dislikes are constructed out of contrast and comparison. You like to be at normal temperature and not covered in boiling oil or liquid nitrogen. You like the Big Cheese but not the sound of cats fucking - this is comparison and 'rights' don't come into it.
@FrogmortonHotchkiss From the Wiki entry on Bleach: Cobain told Spin in 1993 that on Bleach he "didn't give a flying fuck what the lyrics were about", and claimed that 80 percent of the lyrics were written the night before recording. He was often still working on the words on the drive to the recording studio. He explained:
@FrogmortonHotchkiss "It was like I'm pissed off. Don't know what about. Let's just scream negative lyrics, and as long as they're not sexist and don't get too embarrassing it'll be okay. I don't hold any of those lyrics dear to me." So tell me, does Cobain have, in your words, 'the right to denigrate' his own art or not?
@FrogmortonHotchkiss Yes & no. He has special rights as the creator, but anything he says regarding his art should be considered part of the art itself. He cannot truly denigrate his own art, he can only add to the legacy of his artistic expression.
@FrogmortonHotchkiss I don't care what he says!! Seriously, he can say that he wrote them based on the phonetic similarity to pigs f***ing and it wouldn't affect my approach to his art.
@FrogmortonHotchkiss Frog, I assure you that there is a difference between saying "I prefer song A over song B" vs "Song A is better than Song B". One is not a comparison, the other is. Why is that? Because preference is not a comparison, it is simply preference. You like something because you like it, not because it is "better" than everything else.
@antman5000000 Actually, Nevermind is not overrated. I consider Nevermind my favorite mainly because before I really officially called myself a Nirvana fan, I knew almost every song on that album. My favorite song, Lounge Act, accompanied other favorites. It's all opinionated, and you would prolly get flamed for your list. But really, how could their singles be better than Nevermind? Their singles are just the overrated songs put into one album.
this song was practicly a joke to his producer manager, with this song he ment to say he will always be free and kind of Anarchy/Punk, same thing with randomly changing the lyrics of his songs.
the song´s title is based on Jonathan Poneman, co-founder of sub pop records, Kurt said he was expressing all the pressures he felt from him at the time because he was so judgmental about what they were recording during the bleach sessions... I love nirvana... I feel young again when I listen to their songs!!!...
the song´s title is based on Jonathan Poneman, co-founder of sub pop records, Kurt said he was expressing all the pressures he felt from him at the time because he was so judgmental about what they were recording during the bleach sessions... I love nirvana... I feel young again when I listen to their songs!!!...
It's not "She is glue, how are you?" it's "She eats glue, how 'bout you?" and it's not "Show you all, what a man is" (WTF) it's "Sure you are, but what am I?" This song is kinda like an elementary school I think. I.E. Sure you are, but what am I?, No trading back, Go to the office.
If you don't already know them check out The Wipers. Probobly the first ever "grunge" band-their debut came out in 1979 or 1980 I think and their first 3 albums are all essential. Nirvana covered their song D7.
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VaiPeppe 1 week ago
Not sure of it was this or Mr. Moustache, but one of 'em was about their tour manager at the time
BIGxBOSSxx1 2 weeks ago
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3rdMemberBand 2 months ago
Limp Bizkit ripped off this begining
bigdTE71or44 2 months ago
do caralho
alissonverdao 2 months ago
So this song was a play on between what Sub Pop was wanting out of Nirvana, and this was Kurt's way of a parody at Bruce.
warzIbanez 3 months ago
Where in blue hell did my favorites bar go? Its just gone..
TomPirate1 4 months ago
whats the best thing about being a rockstar?.......evidently being dead.
annalee963 5 months ago
1:37 homer simpson
TheCreator4 6 months ago 3
@TheCreator4 You, sir, should kindly go and fuck yourself -.-
Rezaak1024 4 months ago 3
Best $600 investment ever made, kids.
gamesDAMNED 6 months ago 5
@gamesDAMNED triple that
NinjaFlip11 6 months ago
..l..
nirvanarules27 7 months ago
CheezIts Commercial.
MrRedEspiritu 7 months ago
How about both FrogmortonHotchkiss and modulomath shut up and listen to the song, then watch a different video or hit the replay button?
3NickJrProductions 8 months ago in playlist Bleach
E.g. I might be a 12 year-old Japanese girl from a rich family; I read Oliver Twist and it seems boring; I then watch three or four good documentaries about Victorian Britain, understand more about the culture and begin to like Oliver Twist and it becomes my favourite book.
Contrastingly, no matter how much I learn about the real-life culture & habits of 21st century American batchelors, Two and a Half Men will ALWAYS be a piece of shit.
FrogmortonHotchkiss 9 months ago 2
@FrogmortonHotchkiss @modulomath @aequatorisimperium It's about Kurt poking fun at Jonathan Poneman for looking to 'change the sound of the song to get more people to listen to it'
warzIbanez 10 months ago
it means a big cum lol, i always got that impression
aequatorisimperium 10 months ago
Am I the only one wondering why Nirvana let Chinese people write their lyrics using hurled alphabet fridge-magnets?
I mean, there's a dim sense of social commentary in there - and boy do I mean dim - but I feel like it's not even trying. I thought Bleach was the best and most 'edgy' Nirvana album when I was in my teens but at the time I couldn't decipher any of it and assumed I was simply not cool enough to understand. Like a crappy old toy, I made it better with sheer imagination.
FrogmortonHotchkiss 11 months ago
@FrogmortonHotchkiss Art is imagination, if you can't understand the beauty of something capable of being interpreted, then, I have a solution for you, it's 16, is famous for it's hair, and sings like a girl.
modulomath 10 months ago
@modulomath Haha, that was totally unnecessary and snooty, but funny. I actually have studied the theory of art in some depth and the whole question of relative vs absolute standards is always a tricky one. The lyrics of Bleach DO suck though. Suck hard. Kurt even said so himself!
FrogmortonHotchkiss 10 months ago
@FrogmortonHotchkiss Art is imagination. Do you not get that? Basically you either get it or you don't. Art does not abide by standards, the standards creators are nothing but idiots trying to dish on their subliminal urges. Just as I can call anything I want art, I can all anything I want the most brilliant piece of art on earth. And in the tradition of all great artists, I'll take being the only one calling rocks supreme art with a heavy dose of ironic pride.
modulomath 10 months ago
@modulomath If you reduce it to nothing you're left with nothing. Artists are trying to say SOMETHING. What does Big Cheese say? You can say 'oh any expression is art' - fair enough, but I can call it bad art if I want. What's being expressed? Something beautiful and profound or something base and stupid? Think about it, don't be a lazy relativist with throwaway sayings like 'art is imagination'. Anyone can say that but not everyone can make something beautiful.
FrogmortonHotchkiss 10 months ago
@FrogmortonHotchkiss I understand that you think there is a relevant level of quality in art, but quality is also relative to and degraded by time; and not always because it is outmoded, but sometimes just too different. When you compare things is how you fail as an observer, if you simply observe art and its merits as presented, as opposed to comparing art with innately comparison based modes of thinking like "beauty", then you can understand the depth that exists in the superficially asinine.
modulomath 9 months ago
@modulomath That seems interesting but somewhat unclear. If you are saying that Big Cheese is good in a way that is distinctly 'of its time' that is harder to appreciate now, well, I know that this is possible but if you want me to accept that Big Cheese is a case of this you have to make the case, which is what art criticism/analysis is about. When people don't have the background to appreciate some piece of art, you can sometimes fill in the blanks for them so they can get it.
FrogmortonHotchkiss 9 months ago
@FrogmortonHotchkiss Think of the lyrics as an accent to the song. If you read the lyrics alone they fail, it is not a poem. The meaning, if there is anything to be read into it realistically could only be known in the abstract, I don't think anything particular when I listen to this song, I just sense the energy and angst. There's something about the repetition and randomness that tug at my thoughts as I listen.
modulomath 9 months ago in playlist Rock N' Roll
@modulomath Yep I understand that about lyrics. I listened to the song this way as a teenager. I didn't know what half the lyrics were exactly and I would wonder what exactly Kurt was singing, what it meant and I would dreamily imagine allsorts and get abstract impressions or bits of stories. This is fine. Now I'm older the song reads to me like juvenilia. This isn't because I have become conservative and stodgy; it's because I have more confidence and clarity of thought.
FrogmortonHotchkiss 9 months ago
@FrogmortonHotchkiss I disagree, you are conservative and stodgy. You want to compare things, because you *think* you know what is beautiful and right in the world. You have been programmed by a lifetime of watching the news and TV and reading reviews to think there are real boundaries between good and bad and there are not.
modulomath 9 months ago
@modulomath Think about it for a moment: you obviously make comparative judgements and have your own views of what is and isn't beautiful - obviously, just from what you've said here. Don't pretend otherwise while making cliched assumptions about strangers. You seem to believe you're an elite intelligent person in a world of TV-watching zombies - sorry, you're wrong. I have been patient with you but your conversation has been arrogant and pointlessly rude; does rudeness get you off or something?
FrogmortonHotchkiss 9 months ago
@FrogmortonHotchkiss I feel I have to come back to this point because it has importance beyond just questions about art: YOU CANNOT ESCAPE RELATIVE JUDGEMENT. It's the nature of mind itself. No black without white, no good without bad, no something without nothing, etc. Don't pretend to transcend this; you are only ignoring your own prejudices while pointing accusingly at others, which is gross hubris. If you actually manage to transcend relativity someday please tell me about it.
FrogmortonHotchkiss 9 months ago
@FrogmortonHotchkiss I am saying do not make comparisons. I am not saying pretend you like everything equally. I am personally sick of how society tries to categorize everything with ratings, its dumb. Even in schools now there is a movement to do away with all the testing, because human beings are not comparable, we are each unique and while some of us may prefer certain things, we should refrain from saying xyz is better, or even worse, that xyz sucks, you have no right to denigrate any art
modulomath 9 months ago
@modulomath Think it through. Instead of rattling off a reply in the same vein as before, literally take five minutes to think about what I'm saying, please. 'Not liking everything equally' is THE SAME as comparing things; your likes and dislikes are constructed out of contrast and comparison. You like to be at normal temperature and not covered in boiling oil or liquid nitrogen. You like the Big Cheese but not the sound of cats fucking - this is comparison and 'rights' don't come into it.
FrogmortonHotchkiss 9 months ago
@FrogmortonHotchkiss From the Wiki entry on Bleach: Cobain told Spin in 1993 that on Bleach he "didn't give a flying fuck what the lyrics were about", and claimed that 80 percent of the lyrics were written the night before recording. He was often still working on the words on the drive to the recording studio. He explained:
FrogmortonHotchkiss 9 months ago
@FrogmortonHotchkiss "It was like I'm pissed off. Don't know what about. Let's just scream negative lyrics, and as long as they're not sexist and don't get too embarrassing it'll be okay. I don't hold any of those lyrics dear to me." So tell me, does Cobain have, in your words, 'the right to denigrate' his own art or not?
FrogmortonHotchkiss 9 months ago
@FrogmortonHotchkiss Yes & no. He has special rights as the creator, but anything he says regarding his art should be considered part of the art itself. He cannot truly denigrate his own art, he can only add to the legacy of his artistic expression.
modulomath 9 months ago
@FrogmortonHotchkiss I don't care what he says!! Seriously, he can say that he wrote them based on the phonetic similarity to pigs f***ing and it wouldn't affect my approach to his art.
modulomath 9 months ago
@FrogmortonHotchkiss Frog, I assure you that there is a difference between saying "I prefer song A over song B" vs "Song A is better than Song B". One is not a comparison, the other is. Why is that? Because preference is not a comparison, it is simply preference. You like something because you like it, not because it is "better" than everything else.
modulomath 9 months ago
i really love that song !
Masterconker 1 year ago 2
The Bleach album for is the best.
cbottgerc 1 year ago 2
Huh. I always thought he said " She eats glue" .... I think I liked that better.
HeavyMetalAddict918 1 year ago
@ 1.39 Homer yelps!
studas2011 1 year ago 2
A great song, but what the hell are the lyrics supposed to mean?
NationalOrder 1 year ago
@NationalOrder what i wrote below
aequatorisimperium 10 months ago
legendary kurt,u live forever in our heart..
silocadanifia 1 year ago
reminds me of moist vagina.
jjc19461 1 year ago
@antman5000000
Are you seriously !! lol Nevermind are the best !!
Or all nirvana albums are the best !!
TheKevin94800 1 year ago
@antman5000000 Actually, Nevermind is not overrated. I consider Nevermind my favorite mainly because before I really officially called myself a Nirvana fan, I knew almost every song on that album. My favorite song, Lounge Act, accompanied other favorites. It's all opinionated, and you would prolly get flamed for your list. But really, how could their singles be better than Nevermind? Their singles are just the overrated songs put into one album.
TheKerplode 1 year ago
Limp Bizkit ripped the intro
Studas2006 1 year ago
voice sounds like the ramones on the chorus haha
brownybum123 1 year ago
Who cut the big cheese?Hardy har har
CyanoticFuture 1 year ago
1:40 woou
peterschrepp666 1 year ago
0:48-0:55 is this true double bass???? chad canning did double bass?
Prozac20RXmg 1 year ago
@Prozac20RXmg Yeah he did, he also used it in Negative Creep
Paedicat 1 year ago
This song is awesome...I love the whole 90s grunge era
lowboi19 1 year ago
im a lefty play guitar righty wanna learn lefty
zombielandful 1 year ago
this song was practicly a joke to his producer manager, with this song he ment to say he will always be free and kind of Anarchy/Punk, same thing with randomly changing the lyrics of his songs.
fsfsfsfsfsfsg 1 year ago
after Alice In Chains, Nirvana is my favourite on grunge
boyolashin2 2 years ago
the song´s title is based on Jonathan Poneman, co-founder of sub pop records, Kurt said he was expressing all the pressures he felt from him at the time because he was so judgmental about what they were recording during the bleach sessions... I love nirvana... I feel young again when I listen to their songs!!!...
IZRAELECTRIK 2 years ago
the song´s title is based on Jonathan Poneman, co-founder of sub pop records, Kurt said he was expressing all the pressures he felt from him at the time because he was so judgmental about what they were recording during the bleach sessions... I love nirvana... I feel young again when I listen to their songs!!!...
IZRAELECTRIK 2 years ago
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IZRAELECTRIK 2 years ago
Song is fun on guitar. I feel like a noob playing all nirvana songs but they are my fav band. Cuz of them I got kinda good.
stevenkh3 2 years ago
I guess the big cheese is a boss?
HippieRapINC 2 years ago 20
@HippieRapINC Yes it is, thats what the whole songs about
Thatbasskid477 2 months ago
I love this weird song. Why it's named big cheese?
SuperBrictson 2 years ago
Because you touch yourself at night.
JohnObscureful 2 years ago
rofl
TENNESSEETITAN72 2 years ago
@SuperBrictson and your adopted
asdf123stupid 2 years ago
BBBBEEEEESSSSSSTTTTTT
vargatomi1976 2 years ago 2
i like the 2 album more but all nirvana rocks
xione7 2 years ago
It's not "She is glue, how are you?" it's "She eats glue, how 'bout you?" and it's not "Show you all, what a man is" (WTF) it's "Sure you are, but what am I?" This song is kinda like an elementary school I think. I.E. Sure you are, but what am I?, No trading back, Go to the office.
brookerREALLYsucks 2 years ago 9
How I wish to be back in 1988 and see Chad playing the drums in this song.
josemesmo 2 years ago 3
from the peppers?
syrensounds 2 years ago
this shit is so good....
kanon0853 2 years ago 2
Hehe,Favourite:)
djader1444 2 years ago
greatest band ever. and if you dont agree then u suck.
mwcegghead 2 years ago 4
Oh don't be all thought police on me, little brother.
Koolkitties 2 years ago 26
No, you suck. Everyone has a right to their own opinion.
brookerREALLYsucks 2 years ago
lyrics are way wrong
reissue 3 years ago
its not (straight back) its (no trading back)
hardwear10 3 years ago
anyone know any bands like this besides melvins and mudhoney?
sultanofmuzic 3 years ago
If you don't already know them check out The Wipers. Probobly the first ever "grunge" band-their debut came out in 1979 or 1980 I think and their first 3 albums are all essential. Nirvana covered their song D7.
honeypower 3 years ago
and they had return of the rat that song is the bomb shig
mikeisocoo 2 years ago
mother love bone
onlyeyesabove 2 years ago
L7, TAD, Alice in Chains, Shonen Knife, The Wipers, Dwarves...
CalebTheDestroyer 2 years ago
Shonen Knife? Really?!
Alice in Chains is the only one of those worth a shit.
PlaztikJeezus 2 years ago 2
how many albums do they have
sunnygriffin 3 years ago
4, in order Bleach, Nevermind, Intescide, In utero, From the muddy banks of Wishka, Nirvana, With the lights out box set
sultanofmuzic 3 years ago
unplugged
sk33tsk33tz 3 years ago
in an interview with kurt-
"what's the best thing about being a rockstar?"
kurt-you know those big pieces of cheese at the shops? well i can buy them now.
lol. just thought i'd share :)
FailureByDesign99 3 years ago 101
I like tits to :)
Staal75 3 years ago
Dude, that's hilarious. I need to learn my Nirvana history. Thanks for sharing that.
5burowz 3 years ago
@FailureByDesign99
hahahahaha, cool!
DrumGuitarDude 1 year ago
@FailureByDesign99 hahahahahahaha thats my favorite quote ever now!
wolfeman323232 1 year ago
@FailureByDesign99 haha What interview was that is it on youtube? I love Nirvana and cheese lol
kozmicblues14 5 months ago
So fucking amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Vladis112 3 years ago 4
I wanna eat some big cheese!!!!!XD
kool4ever 3 years ago 4
god-damn I luv Nirvana soooo-fuckin' much, one of the best underground bands ever, I luv u forever Kurt, rest in peace bro. ;)
kool4ever 3 years ago 7
they are not underground... almost every metal head on the world knows them
inika152 3 years ago 4
they were underground at the time
footywizz 3 years ago
you should have mentioned that before
inika152 3 years ago
u got that right!!
half1life 3 years ago 5
NIRVANA!!!!!!!!
THE BEST
juancamilopuertaospi 3 years ago 7