I guess the officer is feeling pressure to respond to the dispatcher. He sounded like he was on your side, that is, he understood the law and that you weren't doing anything wrong according to your law, but felt oblidged to respond the the dispatcher's directions.
If 5 people call the police on a suspicious character riding a bicycle at night, the police will probably attempt to chat with the subject, if only to ascertain his demeanor.
1) Be a tad bit more polite. Make sure the officer understands that you are respectful, even if that means you have to tell him that specifically (for example: "I respectfully decline to provide my ID").
2) Provide minimal information as required by law (during Terry). See "Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada", which ruled that you must provide your name and address to police when asked for it.
Nope. Name and addr will not ever be provided unless they state I've done something wrong. The next 'stop' will likely begin with 'Good afternoon officer, am I free to go?'
If the cop is performing a Terry stop (has reasonable suspicion that a crime has been, is, or is about to be committed, and is stopping you for it), name and address are not protected under your 5th.
However, I don't think a "man with a gun" call counts as reasonable suspicion required for a Terry stop, but if an actual crime is reported in your area, then they could require you to provide a name and address. They could also pat you down and take your gun.
@diggingforgold the mere fact that a crime was committed isnt enough, there must be a suspect descripton which he fits. Mere proximity isnt probably cause for a terry stop. Ill have to find the case law. the stuff is terrible to dig through
I think you should be just a *little* gentler / less strident. He was 99% in your court, you just stick to your guns (figuratively) and be polite(r) and you'll be better off / create more good will.
You figure this guy probably didn't want to talk to you but HAD to in order to fulfill his job.
... So instead of addressing my lengthy comment on the other video, which would clearly imply that I don't suggest you just "roll over to the police", you decide to respond with this masterpiece... Way to raise the bar. Do you usually put words in people's mouths to avoid a real debate, or what?
What is that? That I don't just roll over to police? Good person not doing anything wrong! Have Mr. Police man rub your belly! Wag your tail for him! Woof Woof.
But I have one bit of advice: Never speak to the police. They will find anything possible to use against you. Remember the 5 magic words. "I have nothing to say".
How is it to be determined whether someone is in fact legally allowed to open carry? What if a non-citizen or felon was open carrying? How should this be addressed? I don't really see much harm in providing identification to verify validity of citizenship or non-felon status. No? Just curious.
With transcrip can you please just put what you said in text, it cuts into audio so quick I cant even hear you
sad face
Damn youtube wont let me put a parathese!
JaySkuh 1 year ago
I guess the officer is feeling pressure to respond to the dispatcher. He sounded like he was on your side, that is, he understood the law and that you weren't doing anything wrong according to your law, but felt oblidged to respond the the dispatcher's directions.
If 5 people call the police on a suspicious character riding a bicycle at night, the police will probably attempt to chat with the subject, if only to ascertain his demeanor.
Wwallace67 2 years ago
great work
siranar 2 years ago
I'm moving to NH!
rachelabombdotcom 2 years ago
My suggestions:
1) Be a tad bit more polite. Make sure the officer understands that you are respectful, even if that means you have to tell him that specifically (for example: "I respectfully decline to provide my ID").
2) Provide minimal information as required by law (during Terry). See "Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada", which ruled that you must provide your name and address to police when asked for it.
Keep up the good work!
diggingforgold 2 years ago
Nope. Name and addr will not ever be provided unless they state I've done something wrong. The next 'stop' will likely begin with 'Good afternoon officer, am I free to go?'
OpenCarryNH 2 years ago
If the cop is performing a Terry stop (has reasonable suspicion that a crime has been, is, or is about to be committed, and is stopping you for it), name and address are not protected under your 5th.
However, I don't think a "man with a gun" call counts as reasonable suspicion required for a Terry stop, but if an actual crime is reported in your area, then they could require you to provide a name and address. They could also pat you down and take your gun.
Looking forward to your next videos.
diggingforgold 2 years ago
@diggingforgold the mere fact that a crime was committed isnt enough, there must be a suspect descripton which he fits. Mere proximity isnt probably cause for a terry stop. Ill have to find the case law. the stuff is terrible to dig through
YllwFvrPB 1 year ago
I think you should be just a *little* gentler / less strident. He was 99% in your court, you just stick to your guns (figuratively) and be polite(r) and you'll be better off / create more good will.
You figure this guy probably didn't want to talk to you but HAD to in order to fulfill his job.
svenp 2 years ago
... So instead of addressing my lengthy comment on the other video, which would clearly imply that I don't suggest you just "roll over to the police", you decide to respond with this masterpiece... Way to raise the bar. Do you usually put words in people's mouths to avoid a real debate, or what?
RunawayRed 2 years ago
I think you're just kind of.... missing something.
RunawayRed 2 years ago
What is that? That I don't just roll over to police? Good person not doing anything wrong! Have Mr. Police man rub your belly! Wag your tail for him! Woof Woof.
Wait, no that's BAHHH BAHH sheep.
OpenCarryNH 2 years ago
PWNed
JacobSpinney 2 years ago
Great stuff!
But I have one bit of advice: Never speak to the police. They will find anything possible to use against you. Remember the 5 magic words. "I have nothing to say".
SIDCIAVIC 2 years ago
The more I get detained in a given town the less I have to say to them. I do my best to be very careful about what I say.
OpenCarryNH 2 years ago
How is it to be determined whether someone is in fact legally allowed to open carry? What if a non-citizen or felon was open carrying? How should this be addressed? I don't really see much harm in providing identification to verify validity of citizenship or non-felon status. No? Just curious.
tardbuster007 2 years ago
How? 1) the person gives their name/ID and they look 'em up.
2) The person says they aren't.
3) They don't. If they don't have reason to believe you are, they have no way to know.
OpenCarryNH 2 years ago
Nicely done, doobie!
Keep up the good work.
gunnar420 2 years ago