MSG 10/28/91 Ric Flair Vs Roddy Piper Part 1

[wwkwrestling117]

Modern day

Ziggler vs punk

[atheistasylum]

Piper is a dirty rat.

[jdbankshot]

@atheistasylum watch what you say, punk, you're talking about a guy that wrestled his first match in 1969 when he was 15. if you meant it as a compliment, ok. he WAS a dirty player in his style, but do not call him a dirty rat, unless you want the 'pride pipers' tracking you down.

[atheistasylum]

@atheistasylum The "Pride Pipers"? Dude, lighten up.

[ashqelonsunset]

Piper had a car repair shop in Portland, oregon.

[nightwolfe28]

i remember back in the day on tv when ric flair was in wwf they censored the world heavy weight title

[lampini]

skrew a white wedding flair had a white mullet

[666Horns]

Did WWF in only have house shows in MSG?, because it seems like there are so many of these MSG matches around on youtube

[jdbankshot]

@666Horns i believe that none of this footage was on house shows... unless they aired it on a house show taping as a special attraction. the msg cards were always a big deal, advertised on tv taping shows that were airing within driving distance of nyc.pre wrestlemania, most of the american wwf house shows were taped in poughkeepsie, ny. the ones that aired in canada were taped in toronto, aired as maple leaf wrestling. after wm 1, it was all over the map, but mostly taped in connecticut.

[mossfreak7]

Bret is the best technical wrestler and Flair is the Best on mic.

[jdbankshot]

@mossfreak7 as gorilla monsoon would say, GIMME A BREAK !!! bret had the same 15-30 moves in every match, flair EASILY outshines hart in EVERY aspect, not even close... & i'm from canada ! hell, have you ever heard of billy robinson? coulda crippled bret just by winking at him...bret isn't even in the top 25 of all time, maybe not even the top 50. anyone that actually believes bret is superior to ric in the ring is not worth my time.

[mossfreak7]

@jdbankshot I didn't that Bret was better than Flair but I do believe he was I mean flair dosen't have that much of an arsenal of moves either his main thing is and was chops.

[jdbankshot]

@mossfreak7 is & was chops? ok, later on in his career, yes.... cuz he was in his 50's ! check out flair matches from 78 to 89, vs some of the best, like steamboat, or some of the mediocre, like kerry von erich. ric flairs' career is not about the end of it, the end was cool cuz he was older than the old guy that runs your local grocery... & don't forget the broken back from a plane crash years before his fame. also, the worst flair promo is better than brets' best over promo.

[mossfreak7]

@jdbankshot Yah I know about the crash it did change his style after that too because he couldn't do some of what he used to I get you he was a great wrestler. Hell even in his 50's the guy was better than most but I just think that in they're prime's Bret could take him. And I know Bret didn't have Flair like promo skills but he did do a couple of good ones in his career but he wasn't a Ric flair yeah yeah I get it but Bret could do all his talking in the ring.

[jdbankshot]

@mossfreak7 to be honest, imo, bret hit his prime with neidhart, in 88... he was still good afterwards, & i'm sure if bret was in mid-atlantic in 82-85, he & flair woulda had a good run. however, if we're all famillar with in-ring flair-isms, it may be due to the fact that he had approx 4,000 more matches than bret. in 83' only stampede wrestling in calgary knew of bret, whereas flair was already global, & about to beat harley at starrcade. the nwa had territories everywhere, & flair had 'IT'.

[RAV52]

Two greats that helped define an era of pro wrestling. Top 5 heels to boot...

[blancmel21]

Hot Rod and The Nature Boy- two giants of the sport.

Gorilla had it called correctly... "Pandemonium"

[nriab23]

where is JR?

[jdbankshot]

@nriab23 r u serious? this is 1991, jr is in wcw, the old nwa taken over by ted turner...btw, it was jim ross before vince had to fuck up something else.

[jdbankshot]

the smirk on pipers face when he's walking down is extremely rare & very priceless... these dudes were & still are buddies. piper can't help but smile, you can tell he's all giddy n shit. so cool.

[tommydreamer53]

Canadian Piper,wish i could get his autograph.

I met him in BC,me being an bumberling fool panicked and dint ask for his autogrpah.

[kcphillyeagles]

This is the greatest match ever. The two dirtiest scoundrels ever in the world of wrestling (three if you count Bobby Heenan) in the ring at one time. I love this., Pure magic.

[josephD32]

Even up to the mid-90's, the WWF's MSG shows were... different... then the other shows they would do. Although it was clear that Pay-Per-View had already begun to change things (and by the mid-90's they would change completely), the MSG shows were still done similar to how they were going back to the 60's, 70's and 80's. They actually gave even the opening and midcard matches the time they needed to build, as opposed to the quick TV squash matches.

[Antrizzle2009]

Bret Hart is right. Ric Flair's ring pyschology is overrated. He'd do a move and then follow it up with a move that made no sense. That comedic fall down thing he'd always do was stupid. It made no sense at the time he'd do them. Plus you could do tell back then he'd always call the matches with people cuz he'd never do anything to mak himself look bad. He didn't tell a story in the ring the way other "great" workers did.

[chazatlas]

@Antrizzle2009 Hey, it's fine if you don't like Flair and you're a Bret Hart fan. But to say Flair's ring psychology is overrated, stupid, had bad timing, didn't tell a story in the ring like other "great" workers...well that's just not true at all. I'm 40 yo and started watching him when I was a kid in 78. If you were a little older and saw him over the years, I think you would have a different opinion.

[Antrizzle2009]

@chazatlas Let's be honest, during his run in WWF in the early 90's, he was overrated. He had one great match and that was with Savage bumping all over the place for him. I live in Baltimore and the NWA came here all the time back in the 80's so I saw Flair as a kid and even going back and watching matches now, if he was working with another great worker (Steamboat, Sting, etc...) then yea he was great. But some spots he does make no sense within the story of the match he's trying to tell.

[chazatlas]

@Antrizzle2009 Yes, let's be honest. Once again, Flair was not overrated in the early 90's.  Flair always worked with other great workers, he never was a "mid" carder. To say he had one great match with Savage during that run is quite naive. You must be basing that on a couple of PPV's you saw when you were 9. Just b/c you don't personally like a particular bump he did doesn't disqualify him from telling a "story" in the ring? Not many could go for 60 mins like Flair. That IS story telling.

[Antrizzle2009]

@chazatlas I've seen alot of those 45 and 60 minute matches you're referring to and maybe its my generation and we all have ADD and waht not, but many of them are boring in spots. Now I understand with those long matches that there will be lulls in the action, but there's a certain way to pace the match so that those lulls aren't any longer than they have to be. Hart-Michaels at WM 12 is a perfect example of that. They started off slow so that the last 30 minutes were hot.

[chazatlas]

@Antrizzle2009 I would agree, it's (G.A.D.D.) generational attention deficit disorder. :-)

What's unfortuneate is you have some WWE teens today that think the early 90's stuff is slow, much less 80's haha. You are lucky to have lived in an area that had both WWF and NWA/WCW shows. But I would still put up Early 80's Mid-Atlantic Championship/NWA house shows from Greenville, Charlotte, Greensboro up against any era/federation. Slaughter, Piper, Steamboat, Brisco's, Flair, Valentine, etc.

[jdbankshot]

@Antrizzle2009 only boring to those that aren't really getting it. those lulls feature "real" holds, they need to do it as a way to catch their breath. if they're gonna go awhile, gotta pace yourself.... pay attention to everything, the selling, the ref, the little things always count... hart-michaels are nothing compared to steamboat-flair....

[jdbankshot]

@Antrizzle2009 i'm a canuck, bret hart's a fuck, flair is the best ever, PERIOD. over.

[donneric]

@jdbankshot first off HBK is the greatest, Bret was a tech mat genius but Ric was Ric

[jdbankshot]

@donneric shawn was good, but the greatest...? you must be on the crack, sonny.

[brnleague99]

Flair's 1991-1993 WWF run was underrated as hell. Great matches with Hulk Hogan, Roddy Piper, Bret Hart, Randy Savage and Mr. Perfect.

[steburton]

was it part of Gorilla Monsoon's contract for him to describe the reaction of the crowd as "pandamonium?"

[bobhansenobc]

@steburton No. He did it for free, because he was awesome.

[snuka12000]

CLASSIC WRESTLING AT ITS BEST!!!

[odg1190]

i hate ric he cheats and is fucking gay. But i love seeing his ass get kicked. ( fucking pussy motherfucker falir is )

[falcopunchhh]

Oh wow the big gold belt in the WWF and isn't censored! Awesome!

[bigrigbob2010]

@falcopunchhh it was the NWA belt not the WCW belt. Ric was STILL actually the NWA champ here. WCW sued WWF over it and lost because the belt was not their property. Ric talked about it in his book

[falcopunchhh]

@bigrigbob2010 Oh thanks for that! I was reading The death of WCW, and it mentions that since Flair had to legally give the belt back they just got some random belt and heavily pixelated it on WWF TV, I guess that's what I remember as a kid, so seeing the actual belt is a first for me!

[bigrigbob2010]

@falcopunchhh They also had a $20,000 deposit of Ric's, Jim herd wasn't going to give it back to him.( the champ put a deposit down so if he ever refused to drop the belt ETC they had a reason to give it back) so he said i'm keeping it. There was some worry expressed by the judge in the law suit over how the belt would be treated He said in the book it was an old tag belt pix'd to look like the real thing.

Pick up his book "To be the man" great read. stuff about the NWA inner workings ETC

[BCEagle73]

arguably the two GREATEST heels of the '80s..

[SuperNabil89]

Always thought Piper had skinny legs.

[QuentinDude]

I cant believe that WWF didnt create a special PPV to showcase Hogan vs Flair back in the day. I mean they did the Tuesday in Texas PPV as a extra PPV in 91, so its not like they didnt have the means to do it!

[xhemexx]

Even though Rowdy Piper didn't win one World championship, and Ric Flair 16 world titles, Piper is still better many would say. That shows how little the World title means in the BIG Picture.

[DJglasgowSon]

@xhemexx

piper won the wcw belt from hogan at starrcade one year. that was about it for piper tho. he was terrible in his old age, but pretty good in his prime, i agree.

[Hartebreaker84]

@DJglasgowSon true never won it!

[lovham89]

gorilla and flair is aweszome. (was)

[bcushing]

He's taking an awful schlacking! {LOL}

[steburton]

Take notes, WWE Sports "entertainers". This is how to put on a show. Two of the best, entertaining the crowd like no others.

[MRGEANSIMMONS]

worrier couldent wrestle at all! he was a jacked up guy with a chartacter idea and thats all he was known for hurting people in the ring vince claims he was a mistake

[bcushing]

How about speaking english?

[golongusa]

Was this match at a house show or a PPV? Does anyone know?

[victort1973]

It's an MSG house show but all MSG shows were shown on TV.

[Tubewings]

@victort1973 Actually, most, if not all, shows at Madison Square Garden were broadcast on the MSG Network from the mid-70s until March 23, 1992, and then one more time on March 16, 1997.

[Rlotpir1972]

@victort1973 Most likely for WWF's "Prime Time Wrestling".

[bigwurm27]

house

[BigTroubles]

its a msg straight to tape.

[LT1HILLINGHOE]

Flair is the best ever!!!!!

[tomwalker389]

"Self-proclaimed" champ?

You suck, McMahon.

[epegrino]

Piper was juiced like hell during this period.

[iloveboobs5]

everyone was juiced like hell during this period....

[6stringgunslinger]

Piper doesn't look any diffrent than the old GCW days days.

[funforalgernon]

I don't think he was juiced then. Mid-to-late 80s, though, most definitely.

[epegrino]

I have a feeling that he and a bottle of Winstrol were well acquainted.

[lockenjr]

I was thinking last night how Roddy piper would have went over in both world class and memphis. I think he would have ended up a great face in texas with the von erichs and a great heel in Memphis mocking lawler.

[malleyalmostkilledme]

"What a stinging blow!"

[ECWnWWF]

We got a superb match here between Piper & Flair that few people know about..and all people can do is bash Hogan & Ultimate Warrior.

Flair was good, Piper was great, and Hogan and Warrior are on pedistals of their own. The 2 biggest draws in the history of Wrestling. Roided up or not no one put on a better show than Hogan or Warrior, and that includes The Rock.

[spogoa]

Men like Piper, Flair -- and even Hogan -- ran circles against Warrior.

[cbaldwinjr]

So why was the Warrior so freakin' popular. That's the only thing the guy said...and he was right...the Warrior was the biggest draw in wrestling for a year. A YEAR! I mean...the dude made a ton of money for McMahon

[2012evolution2012]

Ric Flair and Roddy Piper,two of the most entertaining wrestlers of all time.Those two in my opinnion were better than Hogan and Warrior.

[juzt156]

yes. Two wrestlers who could be very 'dirty' but it did not stop mstches from being fun.

[charismatic9904]

warrior was just a big roided up no talented douche