im sure no one cares. but fuck if I care if god exists or not. the only reason i dont go out and kill someone or just kill myself or do anything "immoral" is because i have people that i love, and i dont want them to suffer the consequences because of me. thank you for reading this.
There is no proof on either side. When people choose their religion, they don't choose which theory on how we exist is most logical, they choose the religion with ethical ideals most similar to theirs. The cosmogony is used to support and drive forward the ethical ideals. In order to push religious ethics, a person needs a god to back them up and enforce them.
To those who think they are too smart to believe in a god, believing in no god is just as religious. Who is to say who is right?
Believing in "no" god is not religious. The burden of proof lies with those who believe, not those who don't. It is not possible to prove something "doesn't" exist. Get real.
WTF? Why are you all arguing over whether there is a god or not? Because I hope you know that there is a reason for a video being at the top of this page, it's to laugh at it!
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no. ive seen what he does. and do u think the earth just fell into the right spot in the right time with the right ingredents to creat life. being an athest means u don't beleive in anything. thats impossible. do u beleive the sun's going to rise tomarow.. do you beleive that you can drive down the road without getting killed!
No...being an atheist specifically means that you don't believe in a god. Not that you don't believe in the sun rising or whatever the fuck you were saying.
On another note, I do believe that the earth just fell into the right spot. Look at how many fucking planets there are. Clearly one of them was going to wind being in that perfect range. It's a simple matter of odds. Humans would have come to be regardless of whether or not this planet was the one that became earth.
"Humans would have come to be regardless of whether or not this planet was the one that became earth."
Not really. Humans came to be because just the right amount of gases, atmosphere, and vegetation allow us to survive. So you are saying life on any other plant would be just like human life? I mean, are you fucking retarded?
Where in my statement did I say that ANY other planet would be the same? Oh that's right, I didn't.
My point was that given the vast number of planetary bodies that were formed from the Big Bang (and we're talking millions of billions) it was almost guaranteed that at least one planet would have the perfect setting for humans to develop.
Seriously, your reading comprehension skills are suspect at best.
Its catholics and prodestants and muslims and jews and bla bla bla. They are sensitive about there 'God' they say they feel sorry for us. But maybe atheists beleive in what they do and not what someone wants them to do
So you learned what is right and wrong all by yourself? Your parents never taught you any of this stuff? Society doesn't want you to follow a certain set of rules?
I'll tell you a secret: Everyone believes in what they do and everyone does something someone wants them to do.
Theres laws wich i will abide. My parents taught me stuff and suprise suprise there not religious. Athiests. God dont tell me crap only whats wrote on the bible which i need not read
True Atheists don't believe in anything, they THINK there's no such a thing as god, but they're thinking, it's a rational process, not a faith process.
Rational? Not really. I am sorry if i want make it up on my own rather than have a so called 'God' telling me what i can and can not do. I have laws for that
Not arogant. I am listening to what you are saying. And moral rules are garbage? i dont think so. It keeps order in most plavces. Even though you gedt the bad places. Thats more than what the bbile achived. No pre-marital sex? wow thats just not right
Many bible rules are part of the law, that what I meant, neither I tried to say that bible was something to follow. And yes, moral is garbage, only ethic is valid, morals are based on traditions and rules, while ethic is based on reason.
@yoman258. Correction, it isn't funny to you and 35 dry humored folks like yourself. To others, its hilarious. And that's all that matters. If it bothers you, no one has asked you to stay with us. You are free to subsist as you choose.
Ethic is also mainly based on empathy; something that ALL animals with organized societies have.
Basically, if a social structure has no empathy (an instinctual preservation mechanism perhaps?) then the group would go around killing each other and would have no regard for their kin, basically resulting in a species wipe-out.
As for other animals, (without empathy/social structure) you see that they have other ways of sustaining their species group quite well.
every time i check my comments i wonder: wow what asshole arguing about god left me a comment this time? well at least i can pray you got the joke and arent braindead
I love that saying. If he can make a rock bigger then he can lift then he isnt all-mighty because he cant lift it. If he cant make a rock bigger then he can lift then he isnt all-mighty because he cant make a rock bigger then he can lift. That shows an all-mighty cant exist.
Wrong. The question itself is in error, so no answer is needed or even possible, for that matter. Contradictory questions are meaningless. You really should value logic a little more. Stupid and irrational is no way to go through life. Repent. Ha ha.
Excuse me? How are they meaningless? How does this have no logic in it? How is the question in error? Answer all the question LOGICALLY and then you will make sence but right now you arent making any sence. The question makes perfect sence and is an honest and since it is your God that is being questioned here then you should be inclined to answer it, not just say its not good enough! Logic is the reason I dont beleive in God, I value logic plenty.
Omnipotence means for YHWH that He can do all things consistent with His nature. One of the attributes of YHWH is immutability, which means that His nature is not subject or susceptible to change. Thus He can not stop being God by creating something not subject to His power or by creating something which would make Him no longer omnipotent. His omnipotence includes power to do all that's intrinsically possible, not to do the intrinsically impossible. Attribute miracles to Him, not nonsense.
Your definition of omnipotence is incorrect. The definiton is "unlimited power" and clearly what you are saying is that his powers are indeed limited. So what your saying does not work. God can make a universe but he cant explain one simple contradiction in his powers? What a pathetic God I must say.
What I do know about is the nature of humans who use sophistry, and fallacious, illogical reasoning to alleviate their accountability to God. Contradictory questions are meaningless and apparently so is this argument. Have a nice daydream. ☺
You still havent given a reason WHY contradictory questions dont work. "Have a nice daydream"- I dont know what that is supposed to mean but Im not the one that beleives in a flouting man in space that created everything. Have a nice daydream as well.
If God created the laws of gravity and other physical forces but then God can let's say deflect the bullet of the assassin Ali Agca as Pope John Paul II believed then God is showing off to whom? For what reason? Why does God deflect the bullet meant for the Pope but does not deflect the planes that crashed into the WTC?
These religious idiots claim a child pulled alive from rubble is a miracle but of thousands squashed by the earthquake?
Are you arguing against me? I dont really know what your trying to say. But about the miracle of the kid pulled out of the rubble is rediculous, what about the other 50 kids who were cruched and killed? Is that a miracle? They would be happy to say God meant it to happen to they could go to heaven but what if they worshiped the wrong god? haha, God doesnt exist.
You see what I'm saying, swans? This dumbass won't listen to reason. I mean he doesn't even recognize when another dumbass is agreeing with him. Ha ha.
brefinburgs has ice cream. brefinburgs has no ice cream. What flavor is it? Get it? Contradictory questions are null. Just like your ability to grasp that concept. Ha ha. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off to debate someone who can grasp that concept. A rock. Ha ha. No wait, I've tried that and it didn't work. That was you! Ha ha. Again, have a nice daydream. ☺
You still havent given me a reason why contradictory questions dont work! You cant use a straw man argument(which you did) to prove contradictory questions dont work. And the other guy that said he was agreeing with me didnt understand that I asked him if he did and all the other stuff I said to him was just talking, not arguing. Fuck Jesus, Fuck God, but oh wait, I cant, he doesnt exist!
We know so little about the human mind that saying you have felt god is an elementary conclusion to the natural experience you have had. You may have had an incredible experience and it may have been triggered because of your deep compassion for the idea of god, but that still doesn't mean it was god. Believe what you must, but when what you believe is determined by what you want to believe, then the beauties of reality and discovery are kept from your mind forever. "Preach with ears wide open"
there also is no answer to the simple question...Is there a God...so it is meaningless to even ask if there is one. and in that case, even more meaningless to believe in god or vic-a-versa to NOT believe in a god...that's why i have a problem with the stigma that God creates...it makes everything meaningless...
I took the comment that pantheistic Hinduism is older than western religions to be a valid point in this context. In the full sequence this video fragment comes from, Penn Jillette dismisses pantheism as something frivolous or trendy, he says, "except for a few wiccans" or "pagans" if I recall.
There are erudite athiests such as Dawkins or Hitchens whose philosophical unwrapping of faith/no faith is illuminating. Then you have teleprompter-reading high school graduates like Penn Jillette.
Pantheistic beliefs would say a rock and everything else in the universe is imbued with a divine spirit. That's not an esoteric idea - it is shared by over a billion Hindus, and is older than any western religion.
Penn obviously does not worship knowledge, aggressively spouting ignorance, having ended his formal education with high school. He seems to be in awe of money and those who have more of it than he does though. The one-note shouting of what's on the teleprompter sure gets old.
HALLEYUA!! There is a rock!! I pray to my rock. And my rock will smite thee from the heavens! (That's me throwing a rock in the air and hitting it on someone's head!!!)
A very good point indeed!!
PS I love those two Penn and Teller!! Great magicians. (Or trickster)
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listen if your an Atheists or if you involve your life with the lord it dont matter your still gonna die LOL so why not just hope for the best and enjoy your youtube..
Hope for the best? Meaning life after death? From what I've heard the Heaven's quite boring a place. The only reason it still entices people is that it only has to do better than Hell.
I say we need a decent marketplace of Heavens with good, unfair competition!
Or then you can just hope for the best for the rest of your life. Like I do. For me it's enough to stay healthy and get to see, learn and experience something new every day. Without wasting any time on religions (this comment excluded).
Yup. Plus Heaven's got to *at least* have the latest Guitar Hero, Rock Band and GTA available. Or maybe they really only got Harp Hero up there?
(And for those interested, I've studied enough comparative religion that I don't need pointing out that Heaven's not "a concrete place" where you actually sit on a some ethereal cloud. This is humour, mostly, y'know.)
harp hero? dude thats hell... there no way god would make one 0_0 if i went to heaving and they took away my guitar and replaced it with a harp... god help me i will smight the arse of the guy who took it and i will smigth him so hard he WILL go to hell....
just for the record thats a joke... ok so no comments saying im a prick....
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Hey! This is a great business opportunity, even at a time of global economic recession! Open a new after life eternal retirement resort!
As non-phyical beings, we would cost nothing to feed, house or otherwise maintain, and so whatever you charge (in advance, obviously) would be clear profit! Sign me up! ;-)))
Atheists should be defined on an individual basis, not under the "all atheists" bullshit. It's kinda like saying "All christians are really agnostics who try to deny the truth through faith."
Some (atheists) are ridiculously bitter towards religion. Others are very open minded and embrace certain ideas of Islam, Christianity, etc. as a philosophy to apply to their lives. Most are somewhere in between, and are usually regular people with their own philosophy and values, just minus the God part.
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There are No Atheists
atheists are crypto-theists who try hard to deceive themselves, so they embrace irrationality and hate
but b of good cheer, all the atheist's rants must use the laws of logic, which only god supplies the a priori necessities for, thus anti-theism presupposes theism
At least when something in a scientific book is discovered to be wrong the scientific community is greatfull for the correction.
If any part of your holy book appears wrong everybody just decides to "reinterpret" it. It not wrong you just have to read between the lines. Stop looking reading what it says, and start feeling what it means or some shit like that.
Nobody can definitively say that there is no God, but your very human like God is ridiculous thanks to religion.
well knucklehead, u as a dopey atheist call it nonsense due to the a posteriori fact that anti-theism lacks epistemic responsibility - so thanks for admitting this and this proves that anti-theism is irrational and self-refuting for girly-men who hate themselves as much as they hate God
Isn't *anti-theist* by definition someone who is against the God? Like anti-capitalist, anti-racist or anti-communist.
Atheist (non-theist) however doesn't believe in God, so she can't actually hate it. She can hate the concept (of blind fate, God &c.), but not God per se.
just like there isn't a spherical cube, there isn't a god. they're both impossibilities, and shouldn't even be taken into consideration as being real.
Eh you never know but yeah there is 99 percent no god!. Poepl see a bright light when they die. That's Obviosly is just the body shutting down. Btw I aint no christian.
even if by some weird, highly unlikely chance there IS a god, it isn't the "christian" god. that was made up. the bible has been proven false numerous times. the idea of "god" was made up to help people sleep better at night. kinda pathetic, actually.
Yes but some people are scared of death even though they shoulnd't be because you won't exist. Lol People say they will fear it. They won't even feel PHEER!
This is just the Danish "Erasmus Montanus" monologue converted into english...
BigAndTall666 9 months ago
Lol Penn, you noob.
TurboMcGamer 1 year ago
im sure no one cares. but fuck if I care if god exists or not. the only reason i dont go out and kill someone or just kill myself or do anything "immoral" is because i have people that i love, and i dont want them to suffer the consequences because of me. thank you for reading this.
bakeee 1 year ago
You guys realize that the arguments you're making are longer than the video?
Jokerhamil 2 years ago
God dosen't exist, people only say he COULD to avoid controversy, he dosent exist, fuck off
Mattelliott1234 2 years ago
who fucking cares
AnUUb1s 2 years ago
There is no proof on either side. When people choose their religion, they don't choose which theory on how we exist is most logical, they choose the religion with ethical ideals most similar to theirs. The cosmogony is used to support and drive forward the ethical ideals. In order to push religious ethics, a person needs a god to back them up and enforce them.
To those who think they are too smart to believe in a god, believing in no god is just as religious. Who is to say who is right?
Supersmashbrojory 2 years ago
Believing in "no" god is not religious. The burden of proof lies with those who believe, not those who don't. It is not possible to prove something "doesn't" exist. Get real.
emplehod 2 years ago 2
@Supersmashbrojory Good men do good things, bad men do bad things. But to get good men to do bad things takes religion!
buddybleau 4 months ago
WTF? Why are you all arguing over whether there is a god or not? Because I hope you know that there is a reason for a video being at the top of this page, it's to laugh at it!
CaptainEagle09 2 years ago
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omg another atheist vid
jv9ufxcy 2 years ago
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gay
steved3737 2 years ago
doesnt this guy do art stuff 2
Captain6313 2 years ago
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god is real... thats all i have to say.. i've experenced it and felt it and SEEN it.
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sumitvids 2 years ago
hahah of course...
youve seen god, im having a cup of tea with him now...
VistaXp1 2 years ago 5
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no. ive seen what he does. and do u think the earth just fell into the right spot in the right time with the right ingredents to creat life. being an athest means u don't beleive in anything. thats impossible. do u beleive the sun's going to rise tomarow.. do you beleive that you can drive down the road without getting killed!
well i guess not....
I feel bad for you.
sumitvids 2 years ago
We probably don't believe the sun will rise, but we know it will happen even if we don't believe in it...
LtSixString 2 years ago 3
No...being an atheist specifically means that you don't believe in a god. Not that you don't believe in the sun rising or whatever the fuck you were saying.
On another note, I do believe that the earth just fell into the right spot. Look at how many fucking planets there are. Clearly one of them was going to wind being in that perfect range. It's a simple matter of odds. Humans would have come to be regardless of whether or not this planet was the one that became earth.
buzzmoe10 2 years ago 8
"Humans would have come to be regardless of whether or not this planet was the one that became earth."
Not really. Humans came to be because just the right amount of gases, atmosphere, and vegetation allow us to survive. So you are saying life on any other plant would be just like human life? I mean, are you fucking retarded?
thebull284 2 years ago
What the fuck are you talking about?
Where in my statement did I say that ANY other planet would be the same? Oh that's right, I didn't.
My point was that given the vast number of planetary bodies that were formed from the Big Bang (and we're talking millions of billions) it was almost guaranteed that at least one planet would have the perfect setting for humans to develop.
Seriously, your reading comprehension skills are suspect at best.
buzzmoe10 2 years ago 2
Saying there would be other life unlike human also hints at evolution being true, with organisms changing with their environment and all.
BlobgiDude 2 years ago 3
taken out of context?...if you dont have enything good to say dont say anything ...and god is not for fags ,god is for people with weak minds
ktstrf 2 years ago 4
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Atheist shits. These guys are funny tho
KalmahRocks 2 years ago
taken out of context, that seemed really stupid
kradar 2 years ago
These guys are the incarnation of humor.
morrowindsky 2 years ago
(indiana theme plays) XD
BigGreen486 2 years ago 4
He's just stating that if God was real we would've seen him/her by now.. kinda like how they just saw that "real rock".. get it? :)
BytorocolypseXII 2 years ago 6
how come i dont see them in TV?
goldfighter8 2 years ago
Their show's only available on Showtime.
craccamusic 2 years ago
Your not looking hard enough....Or you dont/or cant afford cable
PumaFau 2 years ago
So that's where the rock from Indiana Jones ended up.
metalcom51 2 years ago 15
@metalcom51 lulz. :P
LucasTheNeko18 8 months ago
lulz
WillRoflForFood 2 years ago
LOL
HPJoker 2 years ago
is he a comiedian
wickedwyatt234 2 years ago
hes a critic
spookcow 2 years ago
No, Penn and Teller are really magicians. Seriously.
imeatingwatermelon 2 years ago
Actually, that's paper-mache, but we'll let it pass.
MikeIronweaver56 2 years ago 10
So where'd the rock come from? :D
dave55811 2 years ago 4
lol
vinnyStigerknight97 2 years ago
thats a big ass white stage.
8BitPerception 2 years ago 4
Cheezy :P
NashtyBixkitz 3 years ago 4
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They are retarded and lovers
brunte22 3 years ago
Actually they're not even really friends. They said that by not having personal lives mixed they do much better on stage.
SkyShaw 3 years ago 2
So that's where the rock from Indiana Jones went.
BlizBob 3 years ago 43
I dunno, looks kinda small...maybe the rock's kid. It's been a while.
Aznsrsexy 3 years ago 21
it's a trap!!!
calapanpo 3 years ago
Its catholics and prodestants and muslims and jews and bla bla bla. They are sensitive about there 'God' they say they feel sorry for us. But maybe atheists beleive in what they do and not what someone wants them to do
crazzer123 3 years ago
So you learned what is right and wrong all by yourself? Your parents never taught you any of this stuff? Society doesn't want you to follow a certain set of rules?
I'll tell you a secret: Everyone believes in what they do and everyone does something someone wants them to do.
theshlauf 3 years ago
Theres laws wich i will abide. My parents taught me stuff and suprise suprise there not religious. Athiests. God dont tell me crap only whats wrote on the bible which i need not read
crazzer123 3 years ago
True Atheists don't believe in anything, they THINK there's no such a thing as god, but they're thinking, it's a rational process, not a faith process.
augustofretes 3 years ago
Rational? Not really. I am sorry if i want make it up on my own rather than have a so called 'God' telling me what i can and can not do. I have laws for that
crazzer123 3 years ago
Ehem, first, moral rules are garbage, it doesn't matter if they're coming from a government or a god.
Many bible rules have constitutional range, so, you aren't just wrong, you're ignorant too.
augustofretes 3 years ago
Not arogant. I am listening to what you are saying. And moral rules are garbage? i dont think so. It keeps order in most plavces. Even though you gedt the bad places. Thats more than what the bbile achived. No pre-marital sex? wow thats just not right
crazzer123 3 years ago 2
Many bible rules are part of the law, that what I meant, neither I tried to say that bible was something to follow. And yes, moral is garbage, only ethic is valid, morals are based on traditions and rules, while ethic is based on reason.
augustofretes 3 years ago
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Arguing on the net is like running the special olympics.. even if you win, you're still retarded.
Klostradorez 2 years ago
Quoting old shit that used to be funny but isn't anymore is stupid.
yoman258 2 years ago 36
@yoman258. Correction, it isn't funny to you and 35 dry humored folks like yourself. To others, its hilarious. And that's all that matters. If it bothers you, no one has asked you to stay with us. You are free to subsist as you choose.
Momentum139 1 year ago
seriously that shit is fucking old, you can come up with a new one in a matter of seconds
SolarSansGamer 2 years ago
You can't argue with a moron, he'll bring you down to his level and beat you be experience.
Jontish316 2 years ago
sad but true
bs2137 2 years ago
watch?v=WfukfbfjIL4
HPJoker 2 years ago
omg awesom reply
jahoven 2 years ago
tho u proved his point hahaha
Wokinacar 2 years ago
Ethic is also mainly based on empathy; something that ALL animals with organized societies have.
Basically, if a social structure has no empathy (an instinctual preservation mechanism perhaps?) then the group would go around killing each other and would have no regard for their kin, basically resulting in a species wipe-out.
As for other animals, (without empathy/social structure) you see that they have other ways of sustaining their species group quite well.
It's all natural. :P
GodWantsBlood 2 years ago 4
Lol bouncy rock
Shirr0 3 years ago
LOL WTHeck
SORA5184 3 years ago
OMG Real things !!!!
HardGameGuider 3 years ago 2
Indiana Jones-esque boulder + Penn & Teller = WIN.
PhilipEbanks 3 years ago 7
You that actually makes sense!!
wreiad 3 years ago
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fuck your god
neonom1024 3 years ago 3
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fuck him with a big rubber dick
Dreamerx47 3 years ago
Indeed.
KintarosTiger 2 years ago
lol
imfreakingoutman 3 years ago
WWE09FAN, how come you're alowed to insult everyone here with minimalistic words, but you cannot say "God"?
deadlyspaceman 3 years ago 2
i LOVE THIS VIDEO!
this is exactly what i always say. hahaha man...
Sc0ttPrian 3 years ago
He's right! there actualy is a rock!
but there is not a(my personal beliefs have forbiten me to say the "g" word)
WWE09FAN 3 years ago
You can't say god or God (or is it that you can't say there isn't a God)?
tybo09 3 years ago
why not????
WWE09FAN 3 years ago
That's what I was asking you...
You said "my personal beliefs have forbidden me to say the 'g' word."
You can't say god?
tybo09 3 years ago 6
i am white...i am superior
insight1101 3 years ago
I don't know if it's just me, but it somehow feels that your comment actually counters your claim.
rintakumpu 3 years ago 4
i am caucasian i am superior
insight1101 3 years ago
Slightly better. Which part of the Caucasus are you from, by the way? Hate what the Russians did to Georgia.
rintakumpu 3 years ago 2
lmao?
insight1101 3 years ago
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lmfao. Damn, insight1101! Don't it just burn to be pwned by someone smart? ;-))))
Rosafanta 3 years ago
fuck you
WWE09FAN 3 years ago
I am also white and I say: "you'r a racist asshole"
WWE09FAN 3 years ago
ur gay im not so im superior
insight1101 3 years ago
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you'r the gay 1 so suck my dick
WWE09FAN 3 years ago
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your still gay im not so im superior (telling another guy to suck your dick?)
insight1101 3 years ago
wow... good job of treating others equally jackass
Godkiller23 3 years ago 3
Actually since we evolved in AFRICA we're all black, some are just lighter than others.
REGIFISHY 2 years ago
Priapus is my higher power.
happysleazeball 3 years ago
lmao rock
JK666AB 3 years ago
i insult randomn people on youtube... i am superior
Dreamerx47 3 years ago 13
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Wow, you are pathetic dreamerx47. How does insulting random people make u superior?
Shadow2100 3 years ago
every time i check my comments i wonder: wow what asshole arguing about god left me a comment this time? well at least i can pray you got the joke and arent braindead
Dreamerx47 3 years ago
Nicely done, by the way. I congratulate you on your asshole detector. ^^
cybawatt 3 years ago
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"well at least i can pray you got the joke and arent braindead"
...dream on! ;-)
Rosafanta 3 years ago
Clearly your not Alpha, you wouldn't understand.
VitaminJ 3 years ago
notice how no one likes your comment
that makes him superior
jonxjquee 3 years ago
OBEY HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
havelava 3 years ago 2
hahahahahahhahahahhahahahahhahahahhahahahahaha that's fucking hilarious
WWE09FAN 3 years ago
Could God make a rock so big that even He couldn't lift it?
ultrakool 3 years ago 2
I love that saying. If he can make a rock bigger then he can lift then he isnt all-mighty because he cant lift it. If he cant make a rock bigger then he can lift then he isnt all-mighty because he cant make a rock bigger then he can lift. That shows an all-mighty cant exist.
brefinburgs 3 years ago
Wrong. The question itself is in error, so no answer is needed or even possible, for that matter. Contradictory questions are meaningless. You really should value logic a little more. Stupid and irrational is no way to go through life. Repent. Ha ha.
ultrakool 3 years ago
Excuse me? How are they meaningless? How does this have no logic in it? How is the question in error? Answer all the question LOGICALLY and then you will make sence but right now you arent making any sence. The question makes perfect sence and is an honest and since it is your God that is being questioned here then you should be inclined to answer it, not just say its not good enough! Logic is the reason I dont beleive in God, I value logic plenty.
brefinburgs 3 years ago
Omnipotence means for YHWH that He can do all things consistent with His nature. One of the attributes of YHWH is immutability, which means that His nature is not subject or susceptible to change. Thus He can not stop being God by creating something not subject to His power or by creating something which would make Him no longer omnipotent. His omnipotence includes power to do all that's intrinsically possible, not to do the intrinsically impossible. Attribute miracles to Him, not nonsense.
ultrakool 3 years ago
Your definition of omnipotence is incorrect. The definiton is "unlimited power" and clearly what you are saying is that his powers are indeed limited. So what your saying does not work. God can make a universe but he cant explain one simple contradiction in his powers? What a pathetic God I must say.
brefinburgs 3 years ago
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You obviously no nothing of the nature of God.
ultrakool 3 years ago
You obviously know nothing about the nature of humans making up superior beings for comfort and to explain the unexplained.
brefinburgs 3 years ago
What I do know about is the nature of humans who use sophistry, and fallacious, illogical reasoning to alleviate their accountability to God. Contradictory questions are meaningless and apparently so is this argument. Have a nice daydream. ☺
ultrakool 3 years ago
You still havent given a reason WHY contradictory questions dont work. "Have a nice daydream"- I dont know what that is supposed to mean but Im not the one that beleives in a flouting man in space that created everything. Have a nice daydream as well.
brefinburgs 3 years ago
"flouting man"
A God that flouts his own rules.
If God created the laws of gravity and other physical forces but then God can let's say deflect the bullet of the assassin Ali Agca as Pope John Paul II believed then God is showing off to whom? For what reason? Why does God deflect the bullet meant for the Pope but does not deflect the planes that crashed into the WTC?
These religious idiots claim a child pulled alive from rubble is a miracle but of thousands squashed by the earthquake?
LOL
swansandtyphus 3 years ago
Are you arguing against me? I dont really know what your trying to say. But about the miracle of the kid pulled out of the rubble is rediculous, what about the other 50 kids who were cruched and killed? Is that a miracle? They would be happy to say God meant it to happen to they could go to heaven but what if they worshiped the wrong god? haha, God doesnt exist.
brefinburgs 3 years ago
I'm agreeing with you dumbass.
swansandtyphus 3 years ago
You see what I'm saying, swans? This dumbass won't listen to reason. I mean he doesn't even recognize when another dumbass is agreeing with him. Ha ha.
ultrakool 3 years ago
What the hell? Thats why I asked if you were arguing with me! Prick. And all the other stuff I was saying with or without you agreeing with me!
brefinburgs 3 years ago
brefinburgs has ice cream. brefinburgs has no ice cream. What flavor is it? Get it? Contradictory questions are null. Just like your ability to grasp that concept. Ha ha. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off to debate someone who can grasp that concept. A rock. Ha ha. No wait, I've tried that and it didn't work. That was you! Ha ha. Again, have a nice daydream. ☺
ultrakool 3 years ago
You still havent given me a reason why contradictory questions dont work! You cant use a straw man argument(which you did) to prove contradictory questions dont work. And the other guy that said he was agreeing with me didnt understand that I asked him if he did and all the other stuff I said to him was just talking, not arguing. Fuck Jesus, Fuck God, but oh wait, I cant, he doesnt exist!
brefinburgs 3 years ago
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fuck u how about that
sumitvids 2 years ago
We know so little about the human mind that saying you have felt god is an elementary conclusion to the natural experience you have had. You may have had an incredible experience and it may have been triggered because of your deep compassion for the idea of god, but that still doesn't mean it was god. Believe what you must, but when what you believe is determined by what you want to believe, then the beauties of reality and discovery are kept from your mind forever. "Preach with ears wide open"
brefinburgs 2 years ago
there also is no answer to the simple question...Is there a God...so it is meaningless to even ask if there is one. and in that case, even more meaningless to believe in god or vic-a-versa to NOT believe in a god...that's why i have a problem with the stigma that God creates...it makes everything meaningless...
Poonard 3 years ago
I took the comment that pantheistic Hinduism is older than western religions to be a valid point in this context. In the full sequence this video fragment comes from, Penn Jillette dismisses pantheism as something frivolous or trendy, he says, "except for a few wiccans" or "pagans" if I recall.
There are erudite athiests such as Dawkins or Hitchens whose philosophical unwrapping of faith/no faith is illuminating. Then you have teleprompter-reading high school graduates like Penn Jillette.
tonzimala 3 years ago
Pantheistic beliefs would say a rock and everything else in the universe is imbued with a divine spirit. That's not an esoteric idea - it is shared by over a billion Hindus, and is older than any western religion.
Penn obviously does not worship knowledge, aggressively spouting ignorance, having ended his formal education with high school. He seems to be in awe of money and those who have more of it than he does though. The one-note shouting of what's on the teleprompter sure gets old.
funboy7979 3 years ago 2
Pantheist could indeed say that. But don't use the "older than any Western religion" argument. That's kind of, old.
rintakumpu 3 years ago
You cant prove there isnt a God, and cant prove there is one either.
No evidnece for or against
AlamoJackson 3 years ago
Does the other guy ever talk?
TooMuchTelevision 3 years ago
Not quite often on TV and (never?) on stage.
(Though I think even on Bullshit! Teller's talked on few occasions off screen or with his mouth hidden.)
In real life they both (of course) talk.
rintakumpu 3 years ago
lol?
nickwhite94 3 years ago
god threw that rock at them as punishment.
VenisonFajitas 3 years ago 6
No, the Pope did!
weilyndude 3 years ago
Actually Joe Pesci did. Just ask Carlin.
Blackjellyfish 3 years ago
What an asshole...
weilyndude 3 years ago
I would not say that about Pesci, he may strike you down. ;)
Blackjellyfish 3 years ago
Oh dear! I would'nt want that to happen.
Hail Pesci! King of Kings, God of Gods!
weilyndude 3 years ago
King of Kings? No sorry Triple H will always be the King of Kings
MApoopdicator 3 years ago
HALLEYUA!! There is a rock!! I pray to my rock. And my rock will smite thee from the heavens! (That's me throwing a rock in the air and hitting it on someone's head!!!)
A very good point indeed!!
PS I love those two Penn and Teller!! Great magicians. (Or trickster)
MrSoprano0125 3 years ago
Which episode of Bullshit is this taken from? Please reply.
padraic2001eire 3 years ago
12-Stepping.
rintakumpu 3 years ago
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I fail to see how this video "proves" anything. It's really a waste of 1's and 0's on this wonderful thing we call the Internet.
EarendilTheBright 3 years ago
Oh, get a sense of humour.
Superphilipp 3 years ago 11
It proves at least one thing: the rocks do exist.
Biarry 3 years ago 3
actually nothing is wasted the space would have been taken up by electronic noise.
mattfox06 3 years ago 3
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listen if your an Atheists or if you involve your life with the lord it dont matter your still gonna die LOL so why not just hope for the best and enjoy your youtube..
hukatoker 3 years ago
Hope for the best? Meaning life after death? From what I've heard the Heaven's quite boring a place. The only reason it still entices people is that it only has to do better than Hell.
I say we need a decent marketplace of Heavens with good, unfair competition!
Or then you can just hope for the best for the rest of your life. Like I do. For me it's enough to stay healthy and get to see, learn and experience something new every day. Without wasting any time on religions (this comment excluded).
rintakumpu 3 years ago
good point. playing a golden harp on a cloud would be interesting for an hour or so, but it would be much cooler to play a guitar or piano lol
mattfox06 3 years ago
Yup. Plus Heaven's got to *at least* have the latest Guitar Hero, Rock Band and GTA available. Or maybe they really only got Harp Hero up there?
(And for those interested, I've studied enough comparative religion that I don't need pointing out that Heaven's not "a concrete place" where you actually sit on a some ethereal cloud. This is humour, mostly, y'know.)
rintakumpu 3 years ago
harp hero? dude thats hell... there no way god would make one 0_0 if i went to heaving and they took away my guitar and replaced it with a harp... god help me i will smight the arse of the guy who took it and i will smigth him so hard he WILL go to hell....
just for the record thats a joke... ok so no comments saying im a prick....
darthmars1 3 years ago
"we need a decent marketplace of Heavens with good, unfair competition!"
There SORT of is . . . at least . . . all the cool people go to the Pastafarian heaven. It has a beer volcano
technologysucks 3 years ago 2
sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
darthmars1 3 years ago
Is it specified in the holy writings what brand of beer the volcano erupts? Or does it handle all kinds of beer?
No offense, but a volcano of Bud sounds like, well, Hell.
rintakumpu 3 years ago
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Hey! This is a great business opportunity, even at a time of global economic recession! Open a new after life eternal retirement resort!
As non-phyical beings, we would cost nothing to feed, house or otherwise maintain, and so whatever you charge (in advance, obviously) would be clear profit! Sign me up! ;-)))
Rosafanta 3 years ago
lol.
Horus2299 3 years ago
"At least when something in a scientific book is discovered to be wrong the scientific community is greatfull for the correction."
So true.
MagnusIan 3 years ago 2
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what episode is this from?
mhale71 3 years ago
Atheists should be defined on an individual basis, not under the "all atheists" bullshit. It's kinda like saying "All christians are really agnostics who try to deny the truth through faith."
Some (atheists) are ridiculously bitter towards religion. Others are very open minded and embrace certain ideas of Islam, Christianity, etc. as a philosophy to apply to their lives. Most are somewhere in between, and are usually regular people with their own philosophy and values, just minus the God part.
CannibalBrain 3 years ago
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There are No Atheists
atheists are crypto-theists who try hard to deceive themselves, so they embrace irrationality and hate
but b of good cheer, all the atheist's rants must use the laws of logic, which only god supplies the a priori necessities for, thus anti-theism presupposes theism
anthonymilessee 3 years ago
sorry, but i have a problem with getting my morals from a giant tyrannical imaginary man.
read the book you must fervently believe in and then let me know who's more logical: atheists or the delusional authors of some "sacred" book
SunsetRubdownz 3 years ago 3
At least when something in a scientific book is discovered to be wrong the scientific community is greatfull for the correction.
If any part of your holy book appears wrong everybody just decides to "reinterpret" it. It not wrong you just have to read between the lines. Stop looking reading what it says, and start feeling what it means or some shit like that.
Nobody can definitively say that there is no God, but your very human like God is ridiculous thanks to religion.
modemmack 3 years ago 3
spoken like a true christian.
cheeseclo 3 years ago
well knucklehead, u as a dopey atheist call it nonsense due to the a posteriori fact that anti-theism lacks epistemic responsibility - so thanks for admitting this and this proves that anti-theism is irrational and self-refuting for girly-men who hate themselves as much as they hate God
anthonymilessee 3 years ago
There is a fundamental difference between atheism and anti-theism.
And anti-thesits doesn't hate God, we just dislike the idea of blind faith.
The11thgrape 3 years ago
Isn't *anti-theist* by definition someone who is against the God? Like anti-capitalist, anti-racist or anti-communist.
Atheist (non-theist) however doesn't believe in God, so she can't actually hate it. She can hate the concept (of blind fate, God &c.), but not God per se.
As God (in atheist's world-view) doesn't exist.
rintakumpu 3 years ago
A-theist = Person who doesn't believe in the existence of a god.
Anti-theist = Person who is against others belief in the existence of a god.
Since Anti-Theism could be described as an active form of Atheism.
As soon as an atheist hate the concept of god, s/he becomes an anti-theist.
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The11thgrape 3 years ago
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So an antitheist is a kind of evangelical atheist?
Hallelujah! Praise the void!
I think an antitheist would be just as boring a cunt to sit next to at a dinner party as a true fucking believer.
Each to his or her own, for fuck's sake.
Rosafanta 3 years ago
Indeed.
KintarosTiger 2 years ago
A person that hates god would be called a Misotheist or a Dystheist.
The11thgrape 3 years ago
An Athiest was someone who only believes In god Via Physical Proof. But In the meantime remains uncertain.
phazbla 3 years ago
Yes, and as I also take it, tries to some extent *disprove* god (although would accept god's existance if suitable evidence could be provided).
rintakumpu 3 years ago
Exactly. Basically I frown upon them. Yah either believe or you don't. Lol if he is real All athiests would be put to shame by him HAHAHAH!
phazbla 3 years ago
the good thing is.. god isn't real.
just like there isn't a spherical cube, there isn't a god. they're both impossibilities, and shouldn't even be taken into consideration as being real.
cheeseclo 3 years ago
Eh you never know but yeah there is 99 percent no god!. Poepl see a bright light when they die. That's Obviosly is just the body shutting down. Btw I aint no christian.
phazbla 3 years ago
even if by some weird, highly unlikely chance there IS a god, it isn't the "christian" god. that was made up. the bible has been proven false numerous times. the idea of "god" was made up to help people sleep better at night. kinda pathetic, actually.
cheeseclo 3 years ago 3
Yes but some people are scared of death even though they shoulnd't be because you won't exist. Lol People say they will fear it. They won't even feel PHEER!
phazbla 3 years ago
Atheists can&