Jojo Mayer - practise paradiddle with musical idea into it

[ediot6969]

U people crack me up. The title is not things that no one else can do. Jojo is not dating that either. And yes marching guys can play this way better some of them. But they don't have to play a whole kit and have awesome foot technique like us elite drummers with fast feet.

[Nusssaft]

and joey jordison is the best drummer in the world? pff.. This is a perfect paradiddle with accents.. nr.1

[chillidrum]

Hey guys, there's an excellent book to practice freeing up the accents within a paraddidle sticking. It's the Unreel book by Marc Atkinson. Basically he writes out sixteenth notes in the beginning of the book and moves the accents around. The idea of the exercise is to take any rudiment and go through the accent exercise. I practiced this exercise with various rudiments and I gotta say it really freed up my hands and ideas.

[condobleN]

The greatest reason i wish i lived in the US is all the drum corps i would be in. We don't have that kind of stuff where i live. Every drummer in the US who considers himself somewhat serious should DEFINITELY be part of drum corps (given the chance to do so, of course).

[PositivelyBored]

The easiest way to practice these paradiddle accents is to practice them in drills rather than just improvise and play whatever you feel.

Accent the first note, then the second, then the 3rd, then the 4th, 5th, 6th, etc.

Rlrr lrll rLrr lrll rlRr lrll rlrR lrll rlrr Lrll rlrr lRll etc etc

Be able to play each phrase IN ORDER when you do these drills once you master the accent placement.

[IPstixrawesume]

@PositivelyBored Yeah, but that's just it: it becomes a DRILL then the way you'd phrase it. And those tend to be a bit boring. Though I agree, start with this, but have multiple musical accent "etudes" written out to go into after doing that.

[PositivelyBored]

@IPstixrawesume

Right on.

Its more of a help for strong beginners or intermediates who have a nice paradiddle down but not a lot of freedom or structure applying a "feel " or purpose to them. Those kind of drills can be so useful, if not tedious like you said.

That is the system I picked up along the way, hope it helps someone. ;)

[Toshfunk]

Me: *begins to slooooowly practice this*

[BOURNtoPLAYdrums95]

The only reason this guys is this insane is not because he puts in more time than us (although i'm sure he does) it's mainly because when he does practice, HE ACTUALLY PRACTICES. He probably doesn't just jam, he works on technique, and musical theory. Sure he does some jamming i'm sure, but if you sit down and actually make your self practice rudiments on your hands AND feet, and polyrythms, AND technique for 45 min a day...you improve fast and drasticaly. TRULY PROFESSIONAL

[Isntthisalreadytaken]

Completely agree with PositivelyBored. Yeahm Jojo is good, but this shouldn't blow you away. There are people who can play an rudiment or hybrid you can think of with accents anywhere they want them, at any time. Look up otsyn. He does some pretty insane shit. He does videos of grids, which are just rudiments/hybrids with shifting accents. It's always hard when you first start learning a grid, but, eventually, it's cake.

[drumguyrobc]

@Isntthisalreadytaken Obviously you're not one of them, but I always hate to hear that a lot of drummers today don't know that all that is going on. For guys in drum corps and WGI that kind of stuff is standard, daily routine. Before I aged-out, those kinds of things were my life...still are being an instructor. I don't think a lot of guys out there realize that mastering rudiments and hybrids makes the drumset infinitely expandable!

[Isntthisalreadytaken]

@Isntthisalreadytaken Typo. The guy's username is "optsyn".

[MrSoad1fan]

I think paradiddlediddles are easier but I'm not sure about accents

[spacitydrummer4JC]

He's just doing paradiddles with random accents. Sounds easy, but go try it. 

[tejanodrum]

If you just play paradiddles a little each practice and when you are just jammin. you get to where you just play them and don't get lost. It's more teaching youre mind and hands to just do it and when youre minds hears an accent youre hands play it on the right or left. Practice and creativity. Cool Huh!

[paulwall1981]

A gr8 drummer, but he really should have the snares on his snare drum trunned on as he souns like he is hitting metal box. But still a brilliant drummer and fantastic teacher.

[fallingfromjupiter]

@paulwall1981 you have to realize this is in a room filled with people and is going through the microphone on a camera, it's a Sonor snare they all sound amazing in person or properly mic'd.

[fallingfromjupiter]

This is the only thing I honestly believe Buddy rich would mess up on.

[PositivelyBored]

@fallingfromjupiter

Buddy would mess up on? Hes one of the drummers who mastered this stuff and brought it into drumset drumming! Studying paradiddles and the permutations of different accents is really not that advanced, it's standard practice.

[fallingfromjupiter]

@PositivelyBored that doesn't really have anything to do with the difficulty of what Jojo is playing. I don't think Buddy ever really practised or used anything too similar to this in his playing, and it's a very unnatural thing to play, I really think Buddy Rich couldn't play this that well. But like I said, it would be one of the ONLY things he would mess up on.

[PositivelyBored]

@fallingfromjupiter

Take my word for it on this ( I am educated and experienced ) there isn't much I know, but drum set drumming and snare drumming are two things I do. Accented paradiddles and all of the permutations ARE NOT difficult, are not unnatural and DEFINETLY not advanced.

If you can't play them, okay, it takes practice. But don't make assumptions that it's something out-of-this-world. Ask any marching drummer or any experienced professional drum set drummer.

[fallingfromjupiter]

@PositivelyBored I'm not saying I know better than you, but I do consider the placing of the accents on this pretty unnatural. Especially when you play a double with whichever hand and one of the notes is accented and the other isn't. And I can play this, abeit pretty damn slow, and I showed this to everyone in my high school marching band, and they all laughed at how easy it sounded, and then messed up when they tried to play it. I don't really see how you can say this isn't that difficult.

[PositivelyBored]

@fallingfromjupiter

It's great you are learning those. I think it's better to keep it a "secret weapon" , personally. It IS very easy to learn! However , not if you are a beginner.

Learn and practice it to develop push/pull and pull-out accents. That's where it's @ now adays.

I think what drummers should do is master the 40 basic rudiments first, then start the accented paradiddles. You won't have nearly as much trouble then, they'll feel more natural

[fallingfromjupiter]

@PositivelyBored well I hardly consider myself a beginner, but only because I've been playing kit a lot longer than I've been practicing anything with just my hands. I played this for about 2 hours yesterday, and I picked it up more or less. I guess I just took it for how it sounded and never really stuck into it. I've never had any proper lessons, so it took me a while to pick up a practice pad. I use the push pull quite a bit, especially with traditional. Thanks for the advice! :)

[fallingfromjupiter]

@PositivelyBored I also want to add, no one in my high school marching band is that good, and I haven't been playing that long, I just felt like this is a weird thing to play and maybe Buddy would actually have to sit down and practice this (for about 5 minutes lol) instead of just tearing apart the drum like he does with everything else.

[drumguyrobc]

@fallingfromjupiter I'm definitely not dissing on what you do, and I don't know how competitive it is where your from; but in the competitive marching circuits in the states, a percussion instructor would be pretty quickly fired if they weren't teaching that kind of stuff. You should definitely look into it!

[fallingfromjupiter]

@drumguyrobc Well I'm not talking about the sticking pattern itself or anything, I mean the actual difficulty of improvising something like this but keeping the pattern RLRRLRLL. That's much more difficult than ANYTHING I've ever seen a marching band do.

[drumguyrobc]

@fallingfromjupiter Then you're definitely not watching the right marching bands.

[fallingfromjupiter]

@drumguyrobc well no one else on the comments seems to think this is as easy as you're making it out to be, no offence.

[drumguyrobc]

@fallingfromjupiter No offense again, but people who can't do this are just too lazy to practice it. Practice is all it takes.

[xhilikus]

@drumguyrobc it's perfectly reasonable to assume he is improvising that entire passage. while most drumlines can easily play parts like that, the ability to improvise a piece like that and make it sound easy and effortless requires true mastery of the instrument.

[fallingfromjupiter]

@xhilikus haha thank you. I know this is months late but that's exactly what I meant to drumguyrobc. It's the level of improvisation and freedom from the original pattern that I find amazing. The sticking itself it simple.

[fallingfromjupiter]

@drumguyrobc well of course, that doesn't change how difficult this is without practice compared to A LOT of other stuff you can play.

[xrobmctx]

lol the stand behind him makes his chin look huge

[s1ntax]

haha the guy holding the mic is tapping his foot and he cant keep up

[octavarium23]

What you're witnessing here is the epitome of hand control.

[macben17]

Jojo Mayer, whilst practicing paradiddles can destroy mere mortals who have 5+ piece kits.

[fallingfromjupiter]

Buddy ONLY took lessons to learn how to read, and he was already considered one of the best drummers around. From what I understand he was in his 30's or 40's. Otherwise he's completely self taught

[LHondrums]

this is insanity. i was drumming the paradiddle with my hands on the table while watching that and his accents were so completly free of the original pattern i couldn't fucking keep track! and when he does it it looks like a warmup.

this isn't fair man :D

[midinerd]

if you accent every 3rd stroke of a paradiddle, the accent stroke pattern follows doubles LLRR. kind of sweet! You can also blend between 3/4 4/4 just by accenting the first hit (like anyone) or switching to every 3rd stroke. I like that...

[midinerd]

sorry, meant to say RRLLLLRR which could be offset to RRRRLLLL or whatever.

[mattehISme]

@LHondrums same here

[aczeppelindc2908]

@LHondrums holy fuck i did the same, this dude is AWESOME!

[DrummerRF]

@LHondrums Indeed.requires a lot of practice in standart paradiddles including any combination thinkable with accents and notaccents/ghostnotes untill you had most of the possible rhythms and then its a little easyer.

[bomberbadj]

@DrummerRF Agreed.. This is incredible. Jim Chapin would be impressed.

[digitaldown]

i love how he can throw those accents in where ever he wants at will

[calleroev]

wonder how many paradiddles jojo's in his day.

[Helslinky]

buddy wrote a book on rudiments, he knew more than he let on !!!!!!

[PositivelyBored]

Funny how kids (and even adults) believe everything Buddy said. Buddy guarded everything he knew, gave no secrets, said he never took a lesson, etc. He could sell them a bridge in London

[sweetfly66]

@kyjello12 ... nope ...buddy never took lessons and from what i understand did very little practicing ... he never had time ..he was on the road from the age of 10 until he died ...

[kyjello12]

i know he didnt practice. and it wasnt cuz he didnt have time its cuz he though it would curb his creativity.

[TheSyncopator]

Wrong, buddy took lesson but mostly to learn how to read.

[ScreamxBloodyxGore]

Firstly... he said he didn't practice (And probalby meant after a certain point, many high profile drummers quit practicing apparently)

And you can be self taught and play at buddys level. You're gonna have to have some killer genes or somethin but its pretty fathomable.

[spacitydrummer4JC]

Yeah, really. I picked up Buddy's book and didn't expect to see what I saw..

[43trip]

i was there!

[Shotty09]

He wasn't doing straight paradiddles the whole time...

[Jaythedrummerman]

Some where inverted and accented differently but those were all paradiddles

[Jaythedrummerman]

i have seen him do this excercise in person at a clinic those are all paradiddles bro

[inflames612]

R L R R L R L L, singles and doubles have very little to do with it. Its up to the drummer to chose to do a double paradidle or not.

[jackATTACK2226]

you failed

[LHondrums]

@Shotty09

haha noooo. ask a drumteacher :P

[zingarelle7]

SICK STUFF !!!

[x360z0cker]

hes just like my drum teacher; when he starts to play he cant stop xD

[MadTurtleGaming]

lol most drummers are like that.

[insanedrummer89]

paradittledittles kick more ass thoo

[bendinggreenvans]

this is what you want to be able to do = play whatever you think of! the way Jojo can just string things together in his playing, it must be beyond just thinking of rudiments... Buddy Rich didn't know anything about rudiments and he's one of the greatest drummers ever to have lived!

[MadTurtleGaming]

Just because Buddy didn't know anything about rudiments didn't mean he didn't play them. he used them alot.

[bendinggreenvans]

I know, that was exactly my point! he didn't even have to think he just used them, he just played whatever he wanted to

[KillMeNow1990]

This is deceivingly difficult, for sure. You can do some triple-strokes, hybrids, pataflaflas, whatever, and still look like a baby when you try to do this. It's pretty revealing. Jojo makes it look so damn easy...

[rx2411]

He`s inspirational, in my opinion.

[winnerbaby44]

those hands *-*

[chopsuey6666]

not hands, but brain! It´s all in his head...

[simonpca]

Check out for the microphone-stand-guy :P