Otto Graham took the browns to ten straight nfl championships and won 8. i know, i know, someone is gonna come on here and say but that was way back when. well, if thats the case then the Yankees need to give back all their world series rings prior to the 50's !
you have it all wrong 10 jay cutler 9 dan marino 8 joe montana 7 tom brady 6 ben rothlisberger 5 brett farve 4 jake plummer 3 drew brees 2michal vick 1 john elway
@trojan24YMCA now sir i do agree that drew brees will be a top 10 all time qb not many people will deny that but saying that ben rothelisberger,mike vick, jay fuckin cutler, jake plummer!!!!! are top 10 is absolutely attrotous and insulting to football fans every where u must be the biggest piece of dog shit that ive ever seen ur not funnny nor comical and your presence offends the many true football fans go suck cutlers dick while he throws 1000 picks if u think that he is so good moron!
Montana is rightfully at the top of the list. Elway is overrated. He was great, but not top 5 great, I don't think. Favre is WAY overrated, and was his entire career. He didn't deserve that third MVP. It should have gone entirely to Barry Sanders.
Someone who might need to be on the list is the QB with a better completion percentage than everyone of those on it: Kurt Warner. Tom Brady needs to be on it if Manning is on it. And finally, Steve Young is often underrated, even here.
If Bradshaw is on the list, Moon should be on the list.
And 777zippy777, have you ever looked at Moon's statistics? The man has about 50,000 yards, and if you added his stats from the CFL, he'd have more than 70,000 yards.
And in the NFL that was all on garbage teams, for the most part.
@Cartesiantheater CFL? How many guys are in the hall of fame because of their CFL careers? None. Then maybe we should start putting in guys that were great in the USFL, WFL, NFL Europe, Arena league, XFL...? Nah.
Vinny Testaverde threw for 46,233 yards. I suppose he should be in hall of fame too...? Uh...no.
Moon was a great passer, but that's about it. He piled up gaudy passing stats in a pass-happy system over a 17-year career, fumbled more than anyone else and never made an AFCC game.
QBs are measured by championships. Moon never once even made it past the divisional round of the playoffs. That is pathetic for a 1st-ballot hall of fame QB. Moon is the most ridiculous token black in the history of sports.
You said that Moon "was a product of the run-and-shoot system." There were many QBs who ran the run and shoot, and none reached Moon's statistics.
This in and of itself IS a another argument for him to be in the hall of fame! A representative of the system itself. The run and shoot was a big chunk of NFL offensive history. It makes perfect sense that the best QB produced by it should be in the Hall.
Why does everyone like Montana so much? Elway won just as many regular season games with a much worse cast of players. The 49ers had alot going for them. And wheres the love for Tom Brady? Warren Moon? Bart Starr? Kurt Warner?
@Ledmetacdc Because Montana is the king of super bowl QBs. 11 TDs, 0 INTs, 4-0. Brady, IMO, is very close to that feat. Elway actually won 31 more reg season games than Montana, but he also started 67 more games than Montana.
Elway was great- top 5 for sure- but he never won anything without just as monstrous a team as Montana had. The '97-'98 Broncos vs the '88-'89 49ers? That's a toss-up.
@Ledmetacdc The 1981 49ers were a monster team? Not sure about that one. The 1989 Broncos had the league's #1 defense. I also never saw Montana throw 3 INTs with a 36.8 rating in one SB and 0 TDs, 2 INTs with a 19.4 rating in another.
@Ledmetacdc Starr and Warner will always be underrated but Moon? The most overrated QB ever other than Namath. Don't even get me started on Moon. The fact that he was a first-ballot HOFer is a joke, and says more about affirmative action than Moon's career, which was nothing more than a bunch of gaudy passing stats in a pass-happy system. Moon in the Hall of Fame is the ultimate "token black" moment.
@777zippy777 Thats the same as saying Brees is only good because the Saints throw 600 times a season. You have to have some capability for a team to want to use you in that way, and Moon had a big arm and a quick release. He could have had a much better career if NFL GMs didn't have a racial bias when he came out of the draft against black qbs. Honestly, he could have been a top 10 pick easy. He earned the Hall of Fame.
@Ledmetacdc Moon was a great passer and that's about it. He was a product of the run-and-shoot system. Cody Carlson started six games when Moon was injured in '92 and threw for 1,710 yards and 9 touchdowns. There you have it. Plus Moon was a fumbling MACHINE. He holds the NFL record for fumbles lost in the reg season AND postseason. In a playoff game against KC in '94, Moon fumbled an NFL-record 5 times.
Maybe he'd be better than 3-7 in the postseason if he learned how to hang onto the ball.
@777zippy777 Almost every quarterback is a product of the system they are in. You have Joe Montana, you throw short and intermediate passes. You have McNabb, you let him roll out. You have Moon, you put him in a position to use his big arm. The Run and Shoot does nothing special or weird other than giving you more vertica options than normal. It is the definition of a deep passing game. It just has safety valves built in for your human throwing machine.
@gotmyhedonstrate Oh you gotta be kidding. "At no point was he the best QB in the league"? He won three straight MVPs from 1995-1997 and he was first-team all-pro those years. He threw 112 TD passes and just 42 INTs in that span. In '96 he won MVP and the super bowl in the same season.
I'm not even a big Favre fan- his postseason chokes are the stuff of legend- but to say he was never the best QB in the league at any time is way off.
@gotmyhedonstrate NFL record for completions, yards, TDs, plus dozens of others, 11-time pro bowler, 3-time MVP, super bowl champ, the streak.... Sure he's thrown a ton of INTs but he has a better TD/INT ratio than any top 10-worthy QB other than Manning (+173). If he isn't top 10 worthy, I don't know who is.
The top 10 should always include these names: Unitas, Graham, Montana, Elway, Marino, Favre, Manning, and Brady. Then fill in the last two spots with Staubach, Bradshaw, Young, Aikman, Starr, etc...
In my lifetime of 42 years here's how I see it: 1. John Elway 2.Joe Montana 3.Terry Bradshaw 4.Troy Aikman 5.Brett Favre 6. Payton Manning 7.Tom Brady 8.Dan Marino 9.Kurt Warner 10.Steve Young 11.Warren Moon ( I just didn't want to leave him out, he was a great QB!)
@ChrisinLosAngeles .......I believe you nailed it . But I wonder how good Montana would have been without Jerry Rice . Elway had no offensive line help or no superstars in the WR department . Jerry Rice had a talent for getting open and Montana had time to throw to him . I'm just sayin !!
@Youngisgod .......Your comment is totally irrelevant as everyone knows that one player can't win a SuperBowl by himself . C'mon now ! . Thank God he got help and was able to win a SuperBowl before his career ended ....But his greatness was evident far before that achievement . But thanks for your two cents .
@JohnnieRhodes Your right by what u say, but my point is to say that u dont hav a strong arguement earlier. Ok, Montana had rice for a while, but pre-1985, there was no Rice and Montana still won two superbowls. I am not knocking Elway,he a fabulous qb, but you dont hav an arguement here on why Elway is better than montana just cause he had rice ina few of his latter years. Couldn't i with the same point say brodie couldda been better than bradshaw if he were a steeler? u can't prove that.
@Youngisgod ......My point is this.......I've watched Elway's career from the very beginning....and he always had to run for his life as he never had any protection....what he did was always during extreme pressure and scrambling . Montana , Manning ? .....they always had time to read the defense and wait for someone to get open . Can you imagine what Elway would have done had he had that kind of time ? Boggles the mind !!
@Youngisgod .........The hype over Peyton Manning makes me sick as he has time to sit back and read the Sunday paper before even thinking about throwing the ball. My Grandmother can do that......but every time he is pressured (and I mean EVERY time) , he sucks and is a very below average QB. Montana also had sufficient time to wait for a WR to get open....Elway never had this luxury....Never ! I would place Marino over Peyton and Montana despite the fact that he never won a SuperBowl .
@JohnnieRhodes Manning may have less sacks than most people partially because he has an above average line but a big reason why he lacks in sacks is because he has a very quick release (like Dan Marino). And I understand that u may have hard feeling against himcause of the hype arround him, but to call him a below average quarterback and to say he sucks is a flat out lie and you know it. w/out manning, Indianapolis would be 5-11 at best. I feel sorry for u that u hav to invent the truth to win.
@Youngisgod ....oh please....you feel sorry for me....whatever . Let's not be melodramatic , alright ? I am not inventing anything.......you pick any game where he had pressure and tell me how he did . Regarding the quick release....what quick release ? He sits back in the pocket for hours before he throws and only his offensive line allows this....not his scrambling ability . He's a puss and anyone who believes in his fake talent is a puss , as well .
@brandobum9 .......Elway was a much better Quarterback than Peyton Manning as he had no protection and had to do all of his amazing accomplishments while running for his life . Peyton never has to run...and when he is pressured , he is a below average Quarterback . Look at film and show me when he was successful while being pressured . Extremely over-rated !
@brandobum9 ....you're right , you never said anything about Peyton . But my point is (and always has been) that Elway had to make all of his accomplishments with no help from the offensive line (whatsoever). That should place him higher on this list in my opinion . He did it all....and all by himself !
nice video, pretty good selections too, i have to say 3 things however. Peyton Manning and Steve Young, ok, but over Tom Brady? ahhh I don't think so!! second In My opinion you can't have an all time top 10 without Dan Foust. and last, for my money John Elway was simply the greatest player in the history of the game. He led the broncos to FIVE superbowls!! No other QB has been to that many, AND he pretty much CARRIED THREE of those teams on his back. ELWAY is the greatest
it is because you live in Cleveland, John Elway is the best. Remember "The Drive", remember "The Fumble"? I doubt Browns fans will ever forget, ahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!! 2 SUPERBOWLS BITCH!! BACK-2-BACK!! SUCK ON IT!!!!
John Elway is the best and Im not just sayin that because Im a Colorado-native Broncos fan, Im sayin it because he's the only QB to appear in 5 superbowls, he has more 4th Quarter comebacks than any other QB, and he did what every athlete can only dream of doing, he got to win a championship and retire, and is now in the Pro-Football Hall of Fame
FINALLY.......................someone gets it right! Montana, unitas , graham...............in any order as top three case closed no need for any more discussion. The 3 top quarterbacks of all time in football the start , the middle and the current! best of the best throw em in the air and any 1 could win it all for your team!
Hard to argue with too much of this, but I think Unitas is #1, mostly because he INVENTED the position, along with the 2 minute drill. He set the standard for the rest to follow. I have no problem with Montana, LOVED watching him play, just make Unitas #1, and Joe 1 1/2 :)
otto graham should be number one...he went to the league title game ALL 10 years of his professional career winning 6 titles! its easy to forget greatness when it happened so long ago!
3 days ago 1.montana 2.dan marino 3.manning 4.elway 5.staubach most overated of alltime 1.bradshaw 2.steve young 3.bob griese 4.tarkenton 5.moon 6. maybe not overated but shouldnt be in top ten brett favre
But the postseason is where, like Manning and Favre, Marino falters. His regular season rating: 86.4. Postseason? 77.1. That pretty much sums it up. The top 5 is reserved for the elite QBs that ELEVATED their play in the biggest games. 8-10 in the postseason isn't top 5 material.
Marino threw at least 2 INTs in 9 of his 10 playoff losses. Maybe if some of those INTs had been TDs, Marino would be looked at in a totally different light.
TheChampIsHere1011 you're just a fucking hater who mixed he's not likeness of players with their capabilities, there is no list of top QB of all time without Brett Favre. So please don't comment if you don't know anything about sports kid.
Now with that said: 1. Joe Montana 2. Tom Brady 3. John Elway 4. Brett Favre 5. Peyton Manning (numbers 4 and 5 are subject to change depending on this year and how the rest of mannings career plays out) 6. Dan Marino 7. Steve Young (ok how is Marino better than Young? I dont know,just how I see it) 8. Johnny Unitas 9. Fran Tarkenton 10. Kurt Warner I'm only 23 yrs old, Never seen the old guys play so I cant discuss that. None of them have GREAT numbers or lots of rings so..
u and the person who made this video are the ONLY people Ive seen that KNOW how much manning is OVERRATED and how Brady and the pats are CLEARLY better. Everyone thinks manning is better because; A: he is more popular(what dumb asses :D) or B: he has higher (NOT better) numbers than Brady.but thats the same reason why favre has higher numbers than manning...BECAUSE HES PLAYED LONGER!! not to mention the colts pass 95 percent of the time(HINT last in rushing this year)where as pats do both
@shall2347 you had me right up to montana, then fell asleep after you casually forgot otto graham.............in the future you ca n form an educated opinion, just by reading or evaluating the history of the nfl, not very hard to do. When you have done this and come back with montana, unitas, and graham as your top 3 then we can further look at your list! Now, people its about winning, not friggen statistics, rings bitches! Montana, Unitas, and Otto did this better than anyone ever has!
@DieHardSportsFan92 Hey my friend, I am a Patriots fan , live 3 miles from Gillette stadium and actually WORK for the Patriots, and even I have to say Elway is the GREATEST !1 Hands down. He is my all time favorite player (which is saying something because i really don't like the broncos, But I will say this. being a life long football, I feel so privileged to have been able to watch Elways entire career, he did things on the field that defy LOGIC, not to mention being a great role model.
@shall2347 lots of rings? before the Superbowl there was a NFL championship game Otto Graham lead the Browns to 4 AAFC Championships and after joining the NFL won 3 NFL Championships, thats 7 Championships in 10 years, as for stats todays stats are skewed due to rules changes to facilitate more passing and protect[pussify] the quarterback position. Go back to the rules of the 40's 50's and 60's and those gaudy numbers would disappear quickly.
u guys r idiots, u have to take it case by case, Just bcuz Trent Dilfer has more rings than Dan Marino doesnt make him better. But the fact that Brady has more rings than Manning does. Montana is the unquestioned best QB in history by far, but Aikman has 3 doesnt make him better than Elway. Favre has less rings than Phil Simms but Favre is clearly better. If you're unbiased u can make a top 10 QB list despite sum1 may have better stats but less rings or sum 1 with more rings but less stats
he won't make it.... he's only missed 16 games i think his entire career so don't say she like he's a pussy, also he has the most rings of any active qb (3)
brady always has an excuse for why things arent going well, watch his press conferences and youll notice that its always the teams fault..how the team dosent play with energy or motiveded or what ever...but he dosent mention tom brady..no.., i would suggest him to stop talking so much giving the world excuses and start playing better football games..3 superbowls in the fisrt 4 years of the decade...an of course his kicker also makes him look better in the superbowls..
say what you want but the fact remains that Brady has more rings than everyone on this list except for Montana, and montana's 49ers were much better than the patriots i think.
Here is the real list little boys...most of you fags never even saw marino, montana, elway in their prime. 1. Dan Marino ( Played on teams with no running backs and no defence. would have won 6 super bowls if he played with 49ers. also think about if he had won just one superbowl is there any question he would be #1
you unrealistic nerd..listen up, you say marino would have won 6 with the niners an all that..well get over it cause it didnt happen!..you are operatig on a false assumption and living in neverland..not reality, you think the niners in 1981 had a dream team???..marino had his chance vs the niners, comming to the game with the "highest numers in the nfl" and montana gave him a class on how to win a superbowl...stop living in your little dream world bubble...Montana is the grestest piriod.
Hey Pinhead, if you knew anything about this subject you would know marino never had the team montana did and the best wide receiver to ever live....not to mention Montana had numerous Pro bowl players to throw to...Marino hand two midgets Clayton & Duper and he broke all kind of records with second or third string players...know what your talking about before you question my knowledge you Fat slob
Montana was great because he won 4 super bowls with great teams like any great qb should have done...this goes for TerryB and the rest who have won more then two Super bowls... First it starts with the team and then you plugg in a great QB = Super Bowl......Marino never ever had anywhere near a great team nor did he ever have a great wide receiver...END OF STORY
By your retarded logic, Warren Moon or Dan Fouts should be #2 and #3 all-time. "Waaaahhh, they didn't have any running game... they didn't play with any skill position hall of famers.. waaaahhhh!!"
All they did was put up a ton of empty regular season numbers with nothing to show for it at the end of every season.
Marino: 8-10 in the postseason. hahahaha! WORTHLESS.
Warren Moon , Dan fouts...lol...you have no clue faggot. It just shows you don't know football. When you come on here and try to compare warren moon to Marino is a total faggot move. get you're dads b@lls out of you're face fag boy
I've forgotten more about football than you'll ever know, faggot. Just keep coming up with lame excuses for your boy. Montana kicks his ass. Marino is a choke artist just like Manning and Favre. Montana was clutch. The only clutch you know anything about is clutching your sad excuse for a dick while whacking off to that Marino poster over your bed in your mom's basement. U been OWNED, bitch.
Who's the homo all over Montana's jock...Eveyone and anyone except your faggot ass knows Marino is in the top 5 QB's of all time. I'm not making excuses just FACTS cum face..
Yeah riiight, those are facts... you clueless fag. Hey dickcheese, Montana led a shitty Chiefs team to their first AFC championship in 24 years, so fuck you faggot. Young won ONE super bowl, dumbfuck. Montana won two BEFORE Rice came along, shitforbrains.
I admit Marino was great -- in the regular season, just like Manning and Favre. Those guys all deserve to be in the top 10, but not top 5. Only Marino dickriders like you would think Marino is #1 all-time.
If you would stop and clear Montana's Juice off your face you could easily see that. You still haven't answered my question fat boy....what happen to Montana when he went to KC and why is it that once he left SF steve young won a super bowl right after?
and by the way...i remeber when both played...and the buzz was always on Steve Young..NOT on DANNY BOY..at the end Steve Young has more pass titles, SB titles, SB records, championship titles, way more effectivness and pass %, more Leauge and SB MVPs than Marinos billion ex records..no SB, 1 MVP and billion yards 16 year carrier...and YOUNG DID IT IN 7 YEARS...Thats why Steve Young is better than Marino...and his 62-7last game of his carrier loss....JJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJJAJAJA!!!!!
Wow, someone else with some knowledge and persepective that isn't just impressed with a ton of passing yards. If anything, Young is underrated. For sure ahead of Marino. Young's running talent alone puts him ahead of Dan-o. Marino was a stone statue back there. If it wasnt for the Cowboys & Packers, Young would've matched Montana in SB rings.
And yeah, the greatest QB of all-time lost 62-7 to the Jags and was benched in his final game?? Uh, yeah, I don't think so...
why r u aggin on Marino so much? I agree, I think young is better than Marino and young is underrated, but marino was a wonderful quarterback and if there had ever been a qb that desevered a SB win in there career that never got one, it would b marino. And marino was NOT a stone wall! He didnot have the quicknees or speed of young but he had his own way mobility that many of the best qbs could only dream of having the ability 2 do. He could side step toevade the best of pass rushers. A WOOAP!!
I think #7 all-time is just about right for Marino. These fans also ignore the fact that Marino played with 55 players named to the pro bowl in his career. Four times in Marino's career, the Dolphins had 5 or more pro bowlers in a single season. He also joined a team that had just gone to the super bowl the year before and played for one of the greatest coaches in NFL history.
Get a fucking clue you sorry excuse for a human...The team comes first then QB. You can't reverse it....I'm not going on arguing with a cum sucking woman like you who can't even admit Marino was a great QB....Just leave this page because this convo is way above your grade level
Hey guys. I appericate the hard debatewith Marino and there r good points fom both sides but I would like u keep out calling each other fags pls, i dont appericate it. secondly, Marino was a fantastic qb, rating a qb 7out of 10 all-time is nota spit inthe face. but b/c he didnt win the big one and he was more self centered about himself, he is lower than favre. How/e, he did some amazing things like 36 4thQ comebacks in a regular and post-season total. I like his spot and I stick by it.
Yes, Steve Young is better than Dan Marino..the thing is that too many people including yourself fall in love with BRUTE numers..and not effectiveness..Steve Young..2 league MVP, 6 NFL pass titles, 6 SB TD pass record) has the highets effectiveness pass rating in history 96.6,..46 rushing Tds (record) the Qb of the decade along with Favre...and most important..was never eclipsed by Mariuno or Elway in the 7 years as a starter he played..NEVER..
actually, it was elway and farve who made it as qb of the decade, young didnt make it which is total shit! I totally understand why elway and favre made it, but why the fuck didnt young? And to make matters worse, Montana and Fouts made it as qbs of the decade but not Marino. There is no good argument you can make for Fouts 2 say he deserves qb of the decade but not Marino! Everyone has to agree w/ me on that!
I would never put Fouts ahead of Marino. Marino kills him in every stat, award and even postseason success. Thats a no-brainer. Compared to Young, Marino WAS a stone statue.
I rag on Marino because of the homer Dolphin fans that are blinded and dazzled by his gaudy regular season numbers. They falsely believe that he had the worst defense in the league EVERY year of his career and, like Manning fans, blame everyone else that isn't the one taking snaps from the center.
Where is all this "QB of the decade" stuff coming from? When did that beome an official award? Sounds like just more opinion to me. Montana, yeah, but Fouts for the 80s? No way. Marino and Elway blew him out of the water for that decade.
and yeah marino in 16 years threw for 61 k yards..420 pass Tds, i admit an impresive 1984 season MVP (the year the niners crushed the dolphins in the SB)..hes got like a billion records but ironacly an effectivenss pass rating of only86..Why does he only have 1 league MVP?? and has a horrible playoff record..now u know why he has never won a SB..yeah he played consistently for 16 years as a starter..and that how he got his 61 k yards, and he did play some good games.. but thats it with marino...
Too bad, asshole face. As soon as you start making excuses for your guy, it's all over for you. Marino had plenty of chances to get to super bowls- he did it once. Manning has proved you can do that without a running game.
Fucking crybaby Marino fans- so fucking predictable. Always the same whiny bullshit. "Waaahhh, if Marino played on the 49ers, he would've won 50 super bowls! waaaahhh! He never had any good teammates! waaaaahhh!!"
Shut the fuck up, faggot pussy crybaby. Montana is #1, bitch
One more thing you fat piece of slime...what happen when Montana went to kansas city ? and what happen when Montana left didn't steve young win a super bowl right after? are you saying steve young was better then Marino because he won a super bowl....lol your a total joke.
I saw 'em all, Marino had no run game, yes, but he did have the NFL's #1 scoring defense twice (1983, 1998) He also had a #7 in '84 and a #4 in '90.
He also threw at least 2 INTs in 9 of his 10 playoff losses.
He was the Manning of the 80s and 90s- without the all-important super bowl win.
His career rating was 86.4, his postseason rating was 77.1. Marino didn't elevate his game when it counted the most. You cant rate QBs based on what they might've done playing for other teams.
Again, you can't compare any of Marino's teams to Montana's, Don't get me wrong I saw Montana and if he's not #1 then he's #2 but I feel if Marino had those weapons is there any question he would have won a few Super Bowls? If you really saw Marino play in his prime then this is a no-brainer
@spadesjim... Maybe because he has never lost a Super Bowl unlike Favre or Marino, maybe because he was the best damn double feature threat the NFL has ever seen or maybe because I don't give a shit about hype which Brett Farve and Dan Marino have a lot more of than Steve Young. Hype is shit, it is what gave Ingram the Heisman this year when it was Gerhart who deserved it. Putting Farve and Marino as the #5 & #6 quarterbacks of the all time is not an insult, putting Montana at #5 or #6 is!
steve young has the greates QB rating in history, he also won a superbowl setting at the time a recod 6 Td passes, he in his 7 years as complete starter of the 49ers threw for more than 29,000 yards, (29000 x 2= 58,000 yards that he could have very well acomplished in 14 years is he would have been a starter all the 14 years, plus two more he would of also passed marinos 61,000 yard marker. and about Brett Favre..alot of Qbs are better than favre, only is he would throw so many interceptions!!
and also i remeber when marino and young both played in the 90´s, Marino never out shinned Young in those years in the league..Never, the only guy I accept was a tough "competition" was Favre, but Favre´s greatest challenge has been to throw less inteception, he is also not great under pressure Qb in the last seconds of the game. Steve Young and Brett Favre where the best Qbs of the 90´s, but i personaly trust more in Youngs ability than Favre. Put Manning lower,he too is better than favre
sorry to have removed the last comment from spadesjim, I ment to hit reply!
The reason Young didn't leave the 49ers is because he wanted to take over the 49ers. They were an excelent football team that any quaterback would wish to have and why would want to leaveonce he is on.
Never said Young wasn t good. .And I pray you re not going to rate his greatness on a QB rating......as football fans one of the rules is " do not fall in love with stats"....He inherited a great San Fran Team.....and before you mention the Superbowl win, back in those days the AfC was the NfC's kicked dog....I don 't consider him the top ten greatest of all time....you can give him top 25
haha thats not true, the way manning and brady play, they would get the ball off before anyone could even touch them. Basically what i'm saying is that with the advancement of technology and knowledge of athletics, the athletes today train so much better because we know so much more on how to get in better shape. So I guarantee you someone like Otto Graham coming into the league today would get killed because athletes are so much faster now
i dont think u can really compare QB's from back in the day to QB's now. Like Otto Graham? He might have been good but the way athletes train now are insane. I guarantee you, if you took favre, brady or manning and made them play back then they would tear shit up
u also gotta take in account that back then there was no penalties protecting the QBs so more of them got hurt if u throw brady or manning in those times they would be fucked up
Overall a good list, prob the best list on youtube. Elway needs to be moved up a lot though. I respect that you put a pre-merger QB in there, but i think Otto is too high, and i like Sammy Baugh over him.
Sorry but if your going off how they played the game brett farve is number one in my opinion you dont see many QB's sprinting 30-40 yards down the field at 40 to lay out one of the top LB in the NFC to me thats the best QB and peyton manning has to be number 2 he is going to crush every single record by far!!
rings are won by teams not just the QBs. Montana had Rice and Taylor and played on great teams.... Steve Young as well... besides Defenses win championships...
I am a diehard Broncos fan since back in the day when they were Super Bowl losers. Elway was great in the clutch, but I agree 100% with your rating Montana as #1. He revolutionized the qb position. Hell, that offense revolutionized football. RB's never caught so many passes before Craig and Rathman. Good job!
ok thats cool but brady still has 2 rings and will always be better then manning, ever1 that gave me thumbs down are player haters, and jsut straight up jealous,
haha eli manning got his ring at a younger age then peyton
in case you havent noticed, its not about RINGS or STATS....it about how you play/played the game. In my opinion Brett has the played the game with more heart and determination than any other qb i've seen. Every through emotion adversity, he's played his heart out. Of course, since im biased on this subject, i,m gonna see things a little bit differently than somebody else. I still think he's the best qb nonetheless.
it is about rings, what would be the point of playing in the pros if there werent any rings... its a buisness its the whole damn point. and if brett really played with more determination he would have more then 1 ring
"its a business....its the whole damn point." damn man....im glad you dont play for my cowboys. talk about playing for the wrong reasons. The whole point is to win....that has nothing to do with business
u just its not about winning its about determination ... and no duh its a buisness its entertainment people are paying to watch a game its easy economics: win u get more money dont win u lose money,
haha cowboys.. jerry is all about making his money there.. ask his billion dollar stadium.
It dosent matter how determined u are u need a good team to win a superbowl, unless a team completely lucks out on its way to the superbowl like the Giants last 2 superbowls.
i wasnt talking about his stats though. I'm ruling stats completely out of the equation. Now i wasnt born in 1930 or 1957 to witness all these old qb's but out of every FOOTBALL PLAYER, and every qb i've witness and seen on film, brett is the greatest in my opinion. He has the most heart, most determination, most guts, etc etc. Thats just my opinion. To me, he'll always be the greatest PLAYER ever to grace the sport. And like i said, im not talking about stats at all.
Yeah I know it's your fucking opinion. I got that part. But how the fuck do you decide that guy has more heart than this guy? Your opinion is as fucked as your attitude, crybaby.
So you base it off of something that can't be measured. How do you prove that Bradshaw had more heart than Montana or Unitas or Manning or whomever? You can't. Skill? Bradshaw had more skill than any other QB ever? Yeah, that's why he almost threw more picks than TDs.
Giving Bradshaw the credit for winning 4 super bowls and then saying Montana was only good because of his defense and WRs may just be the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
Go check out the Steelers' 1974 draft class: Swann, Lambert, Stallworth, Webster. And then there was a little thing called the "Steel Curtain". Maybe you've heard of it. Bradshaw had more help than any other HOF QB ever. 8 HOF teammates.
Bradshaw also threw 212 TDs and 210 INTs behind one of the greatest O-lines in history.
where is Bart Starr
DXC898 4 months ago
manning defnintly cracks the top 5 on my list
ethanpoki 6 months ago
I agree Montana was the greatest of all time.
edpost2011 6 months ago
lol, steve young top 10 all time.... for real dude? and terry is good too, but come on man... i like manning, just not at 10, he should be higher
ColtonSaylor713 8 months ago
peyton manning is definatly a top 5 quarterback
and terry bradshaw is too high on the list
thestarwarsfan12345 8 months ago
where was tom brady?
i must of missed him... i better have
TheDuckaneer 1 year ago
brett farve is not the 6th and is not in front of peyton manning
CODplayer70 1 year ago
Otto Graham took the browns to ten straight nfl championships and won 8. i know, i know, someone is gonna come on here and say but that was way back when. well, if thats the case then the Yankees need to give back all their world series rings prior to the 50's !
luzzgn8a 1 year ago 2
you have it all wrong 10 jay cutler 9 dan marino 8 joe montana 7 tom brady 6 ben rothlisberger 5 brett farve 4 jake plummer 3 drew brees 2michal vick 1 john elway
trojan24YMCA 1 year ago
@trojan24YMCA drew brees, mike vick, and ben rothlisherger? what kind of cocaine are you taking?!?!
Brodcastb0t 1 year ago
@trojan24YMCA WTF are you on?
DwightWhite78 9 months ago
@trojan24YMCA now sir i do agree that drew brees will be a top 10 all time qb not many people will deny that but saying that ben rothelisberger,mike vick, jay fuckin cutler, jake plummer!!!!! are top 10 is absolutely attrotous and insulting to football fans every where u must be the biggest piece of dog shit that ive ever seen ur not funnny nor comical and your presence offends the many true football fans go suck cutlers dick while he throws 1000 picks if u think that he is so good moron!
BreesyBaby9 4 months ago
No Tom Brady? What are you, retarded? Do you watch Gridiron Football?
agentsirus 1 year ago
c mon elway is the greatest
lion69173 1 year ago
brady has 3 super bowls manning has 2 cmon now who do you think is better >.>
joker321boom 1 year ago
@joker321boom Manning has 1 Super Bowl and Brady is WAY better. Id toss Roethlisberger in there as well.
SuRRePPtiOUsWritings 1 year ago
10 steve young
9 randell cunningham
8 bart starr
7 terry bradshaw
6 dan marino
5 jonny unitas
4 john elway
3 brett farve
2 payton manning
1 joe montana
TheCarmeloFan15Nug 1 year ago
Montana is rightfully at the top of the list. Elway is overrated. He was great, but not top 5 great, I don't think. Favre is WAY overrated, and was his entire career. He didn't deserve that third MVP. It should have gone entirely to Barry Sanders.
Someone who might need to be on the list is the QB with a better completion percentage than everyone of those on it: Kurt Warner. Tom Brady needs to be on it if Manning is on it. And finally, Steve Young is often underrated, even here.
Cartesiantheater 1 year ago
Marino > Favre
Young > Elway
All 9 > Bradshaw
If Bradshaw is on the list, Moon should be on the list.
And 777zippy777, have you ever looked at Moon's statistics? The man has about 50,000 yards, and if you added his stats from the CFL, he'd have more than 70,000 yards.
And in the NFL that was all on garbage teams, for the most part.
Cartesiantheater 1 year ago
@Cartesiantheater CFL? How many guys are in the hall of fame because of their CFL careers? None. Then maybe we should start putting in guys that were great in the USFL, WFL, NFL Europe, Arena league, XFL...? Nah.
Vinny Testaverde threw for 46,233 yards. I suppose he should be in hall of fame too...? Uh...no.
Moon was a great passer, but that's about it. He piled up gaudy passing stats in a pass-happy system over a 17-year career, fumbled more than anyone else and never made an AFCC game.
777zippy777 1 year ago
QBs are measured by championships. Moon never once even made it past the divisional round of the playoffs. That is pathetic for a 1st-ballot hall of fame QB. Moon is the most ridiculous token black in the history of sports.
777zippy777 1 year ago
@777zippy777
You said that Moon "was a product of the run-and-shoot system." There were many QBs who ran the run and shoot, and none reached Moon's statistics.
This in and of itself IS a another argument for him to be in the hall of fame! A representative of the system itself. The run and shoot was a big chunk of NFL offensive history. It makes perfect sense that the best QB produced by it should be in the Hall.
Cartesiantheater 1 year ago
Why does everyone like Montana so much? Elway won just as many regular season games with a much worse cast of players. The 49ers had alot going for them. And wheres the love for Tom Brady? Warren Moon? Bart Starr? Kurt Warner?
Ledmetacdc 1 year ago
@Ledmetacdc Because Montana is the king of super bowl QBs. 11 TDs, 0 INTs, 4-0. Brady, IMO, is very close to that feat. Elway actually won 31 more reg season games than Montana, but he also started 67 more games than Montana.
Elway was great- top 5 for sure- but he never won anything without just as monstrous a team as Montana had. The '97-'98 Broncos vs the '88-'89 49ers? That's a toss-up.
777zippy777 1 year ago
@777zippy777 But Montana never got there without a monster team. I never saw the 92 Chiefs go to a super bowl, did you?
Ledmetacdc 1 year ago
@Ledmetacdc The 1981 49ers were a monster team? Not sure about that one. The 1989 Broncos had the league's #1 defense. I also never saw Montana throw 3 INTs with a 36.8 rating in one SB and 0 TDs, 2 INTs with a 19.4 rating in another.
777zippy777 1 year ago
@Ledmetacdc Starr and Warner will always be underrated but Moon? The most overrated QB ever other than Namath. Don't even get me started on Moon. The fact that he was a first-ballot HOFer is a joke, and says more about affirmative action than Moon's career, which was nothing more than a bunch of gaudy passing stats in a pass-happy system. Moon in the Hall of Fame is the ultimate "token black" moment.
777zippy777 1 year ago
@777zippy777 Thats the same as saying Brees is only good because the Saints throw 600 times a season. You have to have some capability for a team to want to use you in that way, and Moon had a big arm and a quick release. He could have had a much better career if NFL GMs didn't have a racial bias when he came out of the draft against black qbs. Honestly, he could have been a top 10 pick easy. He earned the Hall of Fame.
Ledmetacdc 1 year ago
@Ledmetacdc Moon was a great passer and that's about it. He was a product of the run-and-shoot system. Cody Carlson started six games when Moon was injured in '92 and threw for 1,710 yards and 9 touchdowns. There you have it. Plus Moon was a fumbling MACHINE. He holds the NFL record for fumbles lost in the reg season AND postseason. In a playoff game against KC in '94, Moon fumbled an NFL-record 5 times.
Maybe he'd be better than 3-7 in the postseason if he learned how to hang onto the ball.
777zippy777 1 year ago
@777zippy777 Almost every quarterback is a product of the system they are in. You have Joe Montana, you throw short and intermediate passes. You have McNabb, you let him roll out. You have Moon, you put him in a position to use his big arm. The Run and Shoot does nothing special or weird other than giving you more vertica options than normal. It is the definition of a deep passing game. It just has safety valves built in for your human throwing machine.
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gotmyhedonstrate 1 year ago
@gotmyhedonstrate Oh you gotta be kidding. "At no point was he the best QB in the league"? He won three straight MVPs from 1995-1997 and he was first-team all-pro those years. He threw 112 TD passes and just 42 INTs in that span. In '96 he won MVP and the super bowl in the same season.
I'm not even a big Favre fan- his postseason chokes are the stuff of legend- but to say he was never the best QB in the league at any time is way off.
777zippy777 1 year ago
@gotmyhedonstrate NFL record for completions, yards, TDs, plus dozens of others, 11-time pro bowler, 3-time MVP, super bowl champ, the streak.... Sure he's thrown a ton of INTs but he has a better TD/INT ratio than any top 10-worthy QB other than Manning (+173). If he isn't top 10 worthy, I don't know who is.
777zippy777 1 year ago
The top 10 should always include these names: Unitas, Graham, Montana, Elway, Marino, Favre, Manning, and Brady. Then fill in the last two spots with Staubach, Bradshaw, Young, Aikman, Starr, etc...
777zippy777 1 year ago
my tops are. 1. Montana 2. Elway 3. Favre 4. Marino 5. Unitas 6. Manning 7. Brady 8. Baugh 9. Tarkenton 10. Moon 11. Warner 12. Stabler 13. Bradshaw 14. Young 15. Starr
southpark997 1 year ago
1 montana 2 young 3 aikman 4 marino 5 tarkenton 6 favre 7 simms 8 manning 9 unitas 10 warner
imo
LBJstevenash13 1 year ago
Im a Brady fan but even i think manning deserves to be listed better
SERIOUSLYJAYBLES 1 year ago
In my lifetime of 42 years here's how I see it: 1. John Elway 2.Joe Montana 3.Terry Bradshaw 4.Troy Aikman 5.Brett Favre 6. Payton Manning 7.Tom Brady 8.Dan Marino 9.Kurt Warner 10.Steve Young 11.Warren Moon ( I just didn't want to leave him out, he was a great QB!)
ChrisinLosAngeles 1 year ago
@ChrisinLosAngeles .......I believe you nailed it . But I wonder how good Montana would have been without Jerry Rice . Elway had no offensive line help or no superstars in the WR department . Jerry Rice had a talent for getting open and Montana had time to throw to him . I'm just sayin !!
JohnnieRhodes 1 year ago
@JohnnieRhodes Elway never won a superbowl until he got an offense. I'm just saying.
Youngisgod 1 year ago
@Youngisgod .......Your comment is totally irrelevant as everyone knows that one player can't win a SuperBowl by himself . C'mon now ! . Thank God he got help and was able to win a SuperBowl before his career ended ....But his greatness was evident far before that achievement . But thanks for your two cents .
JohnnieRhodes 1 year ago
@JohnnieRhodes Your right by what u say, but my point is to say that u dont hav a strong arguement earlier. Ok, Montana had rice for a while, but pre-1985, there was no Rice and Montana still won two superbowls. I am not knocking Elway,he a fabulous qb, but you dont hav an arguement here on why Elway is better than montana just cause he had rice ina few of his latter years. Couldn't i with the same point say brodie couldda been better than bradshaw if he were a steeler? u can't prove that.
Youngisgod 1 year ago
@Youngisgod ......My point is this.......I've watched Elway's career from the very beginning....and he always had to run for his life as he never had any protection....what he did was always during extreme pressure and scrambling . Montana , Manning ? .....they always had time to read the defense and wait for someone to get open . Can you imagine what Elway would have done had he had that kind of time ? Boggles the mind !!
JohnnieRhodes 1 year ago
@Youngisgod .........The hype over Peyton Manning makes me sick as he has time to sit back and read the Sunday paper before even thinking about throwing the ball. My Grandmother can do that......but every time he is pressured (and I mean EVERY time) , he sucks and is a very below average QB. Montana also had sufficient time to wait for a WR to get open....Elway never had this luxury....Never ! I would place Marino over Peyton and Montana despite the fact that he never won a SuperBowl .
JohnnieRhodes 1 year ago
@JohnnieRhodes Manning may have less sacks than most people partially because he has an above average line but a big reason why he lacks in sacks is because he has a very quick release (like Dan Marino). And I understand that u may have hard feeling against himcause of the hype arround him, but to call him a below average quarterback and to say he sucks is a flat out lie and you know it. w/out manning, Indianapolis would be 5-11 at best. I feel sorry for u that u hav to invent the truth to win.
Youngisgod 1 year ago
@Youngisgod ....oh please....you feel sorry for me....whatever . Let's not be melodramatic , alright ? I am not inventing anything.......you pick any game where he had pressure and tell me how he did . Regarding the quick release....what quick release ? He sits back in the pocket for hours before he throws and only his offensive line allows this....not his scrambling ability . He's a puss and anyone who believes in his fake talent is a puss , as well .
JohnnieRhodes 1 year ago
@JohnnieRhodes dude, whatever... you are such a troll.
Youngisgod 1 year ago
@Youngisgod ....okay dude . I'm glad you put me in my place . I'm scarred for life !
JohnnieRhodes 1 year ago
elway....shouldnt be that high
brandobum9 1 year ago
@brandobum9 .......Elway was a much better Quarterback than Peyton Manning as he had no protection and had to do all of his amazing accomplishments while running for his life . Peyton never has to run...and when he is pressured , he is a below average Quarterback . Look at film and show me when he was successful while being pressured . Extremely over-rated !
JohnnieRhodes 1 year ago
@JohnnieRhodes i never said anything about peyton at all, just that elway is to high on everyones list in my mind
brandobum9 1 year ago
@brandobum9 ....you're right , you never said anything about Peyton . But my point is (and always has been) that Elway had to make all of his accomplishments with no help from the offensive line (whatsoever). That should place him higher on this list in my opinion . He did it all....and all by himself !
JohnnieRhodes 1 year ago
Montana greatest QB of all time
ThePikachu1995 1 year ago
nice video, pretty good selections too, i have to say 3 things however. Peyton Manning and Steve Young, ok, but over Tom Brady? ahhh I don't think so!! second In My opinion you can't have an all time top 10 without Dan Foust. and last, for my money John Elway was simply the greatest player in the history of the game. He led the broncos to FIVE superbowls!! No other QB has been to that many, AND he pretty much CARRIED THREE of those teams on his back. ELWAY is the greatest
cyberump 1 year ago
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cyberump 1 year ago
No one is better than Marino.
dolphinbuc 1 year ago
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southpark997 1 year ago
it is because you live in Cleveland, John Elway is the best. Remember "The Drive", remember "The Fumble"? I doubt Browns fans will ever forget, ahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!! 2 SUPERBOWLS BITCH!! BACK-2-BACK!! SUCK ON IT!!!!
DieHardSportsFan92 1 year ago
John Elway is the best and Im not just sayin that because Im a Colorado-native Broncos fan, Im sayin it because he's the only QB to appear in 5 superbowls, he has more 4th Quarter comebacks than any other QB, and he did what every athlete can only dream of doing, he got to win a championship and retire, and is now in the Pro-Football Hall of Fame
DieHardSportsFan92 1 year ago
this is my first time watching this and bret favre better not b num one... no fuckin way ok??? lets see lol
batttman 1 year ago
10 Peyton Manning...DISLIKE!!!!!!!!
91mfhashmi 1 year ago
Peyton Manning is Lebron James (Turned his team from nothing into something by himself)
Tom Brady is Kobe Bryant (he got his three by cruising with team Shaq but in this case DEFENSE)
Peyton Manning is better than Brady in terms of the Quarterback position.
Peyton Manning has thrown 30+ TD more than Tom Bradys(1 50TD)...and he did it practically by himself
91mfhashmi 1 year ago
good choosing but what about troy Alkimen
ahonore3640 1 year ago
FINALLY.......................someone gets it right! Montana, unitas , graham...............in any order as top three case closed no need for any more discussion. The 3 top quarterbacks of all time in football the start , the middle and the current! best of the best throw em in the air and any 1 could win it all for your team!
BIGRED224FOREVER 1 year ago
fuc peton manning and john elway is way better then joe montanna
xxTOXICxx34 1 year ago
elway 1 montana 2
MrGreenday1209 1 year ago
agreed
DieHardSportsFan92 1 year ago
Tom Brady? Really?
DSNicely 1 year ago
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sportsavant 1 year ago
whres namath?!?!
sk8skiboard3 1 year ago
Hard to argue with too much of this, but I think Unitas is #1, mostly because he INVENTED the position, along with the 2 minute drill. He set the standard for the rest to follow. I have no problem with Montana, LOVED watching him play, just make Unitas #1, and Joe 1 1/2 :)
Montgumby 1 year ago
ever heard of a guy named Tom Brady? he belongs in there
SERIOUSLYJAYBLES 1 year ago
@SERIOUSLYJAYBLES fuc tom brady
xxTOXICxx34 1 year ago
otto graham should be number one...he went to the league title game ALL 10 years of his professional career winning 6 titles! its easy to forget greatness when it happened so long ago!
yoboy620 1 year ago
farve is way better than young elway graham but not marino and montana
theultamatevideofly 1 year ago
This list is perfect! Finally someone rechignizes otto Graham
multisoldier88 1 year ago
rockfan7777 1 year ago
Fran Tarkenton? broadway joe?
LordOfTheTombs 1 year ago
forgot phil sims and kurt warner but its okay
firerustdragon 1 year ago
Peyton manning only number 10?!?!?!?!?!?
Sauske579 1 year ago
People always talk rings rings rings....does he have a ring? my guy does your guy doesn't!!.
And you know what? SB's are what it's all about but if it always holds true the Trent Dilfer was a better QB than Dan Marino.
Anyone wanna make that statement? go ahead and say it "Trent Dilfer was a better QB than Dan Marino"
Sounds dumb doesn't it?
nug1234567890 1 year ago
my favorite is JOE MONTANA
wmv849ers 1 year ago
But the postseason is where, like Manning and Favre, Marino falters. His regular season rating: 86.4. Postseason? 77.1. That pretty much sums it up. The top 5 is reserved for the elite QBs that ELEVATED their play in the biggest games. 8-10 in the postseason isn't top 5 material.
Marino threw at least 2 INTs in 9 of his 10 playoff losses. Maybe if some of those INTs had been TDs, Marino would be looked at in a totally different light.
777zippy777 1 year ago
Joe Namath anyone?
zedzeppelin21 1 year ago
Namath kinda sucked, his career Qb rating was 65.0....
willywallies 1 year ago
skillege123 2 years ago
TheChampIsHere1011 you're just a fucking hater who mixed he's not likeness of players with their capabilities, there is no list of top QB of all time without Brett Favre. So please don't comment if you don't know anything about sports kid.
Thinker9713 2 years ago
ELWAY IS THE BEST
MrIvan72 2 years ago
Montana number 1# no Hands down!
2 super bowls under his belt even before Rice came in the picture. And whooped on Elway and Marino!
trinitystarr11 2 years ago
no way Brett Farve is on this list
he is the most overreated player in the NFL
and Peyton at 10?
TheChampIsHere1011 2 years ago
shall2347 2 years ago 3
WOW!!
u and the person who made this video are the ONLY people Ive seen that KNOW how much manning is OVERRATED and how Brady and the pats are CLEARLY better. Everyone thinks manning is better because; A: he is more popular(what dumb asses :D) or B: he has higher (NOT better) numbers than Brady.but thats the same reason why favre has higher numbers than manning...BECAUSE HES PLAYED LONGER!! not to mention the colts pass 95 percent of the time(HINT last in rushing this year)where as pats do both
passwordbird 2 years ago
@shall2347 you had me right up to montana, then fell asleep after you casually forgot otto graham.............in the future you ca n form an educated opinion, just by reading or evaluating the history of the nfl, not very hard to do. When you have done this and come back with montana, unitas, and graham as your top 3 then we can further look at your list! Now, people its about winning, not friggen statistics, rings bitches! Montana, Unitas, and Otto did this better than anyone ever has!
BIGRED224FOREVER 1 year ago
Elway is better than Brady
DieHardSportsFan92 1 year ago
@DieHardSportsFan92 Hey my friend, I am a Patriots fan , live 3 miles from Gillette stadium and actually WORK for the Patriots, and even I have to say Elway is the GREATEST !1 Hands down. He is my all time favorite player (which is saying something because i really don't like the broncos, But I will say this. being a life long football, I feel so privileged to have been able to watch Elways entire career, he did things on the field that defy LOGIC, not to mention being a great role model.
cyberump 1 year ago
@shall2347 lots of rings? before the Superbowl there was a NFL championship game Otto Graham lead the Browns to 4 AAFC Championships and after joining the NFL won 3 NFL Championships, thats 7 Championships in 10 years, as for stats todays stats are skewed due to rules changes to facilitate more passing and protect[pussify] the quarterback position. Go back to the rules of the 40's 50's and 60's and those gaudy numbers would disappear quickly.
dredandmrbears 1 year ago
u guys r idiots, u have to take it case by case, Just bcuz Trent Dilfer has more rings than Dan Marino doesnt make him better. But the fact that Brady has more rings than Manning does. Montana is the unquestioned best QB in history by far, but Aikman has 3 doesnt make him better than Elway. Favre has less rings than Phil Simms but Favre is clearly better. If you're unbiased u can make a top 10 QB list despite sum1 may have better stats but less rings or sum 1 with more rings but less stats
shall2347 2 years ago 6
No Troy Aikman??? 3 superbowl rings and not on that list?
mino117american 2 years ago
He was an Above average qb but at least 5 ACTIVE QB'S are better than him, argue for stubach not aikman
pallknowing1 1 year ago
Aikman was at the right place at the right time playing on those teams. Aikman is 11-16th
mrrice69 1 year ago
great list but put brady in there and and put marino in graham and it will be a great list
s2hisawesome 2 years ago
Where the heck is tom brady
411ward 2 years ago
brady...she wont make this list this year
eliece7 2 years ago
he won't make it.... he's only missed 16 games i think his entire career so don't say she like he's a pussy, also he has the most rings of any active qb (3)
Jordan8789 2 years ago
brady always has an excuse for why things arent going well, watch his press conferences and youll notice that its always the teams fault..how the team dosent play with energy or motiveded or what ever...but he dosent mention tom brady..no.., i would suggest him to stop talking so much giving the world excuses and start playing better football games..3 superbowls in the fisrt 4 years of the decade...an of course his kicker also makes him look better in the superbowls..
eliece7 2 years ago
say what you want but the fact remains that Brady has more rings than everyone on this list except for Montana, and montana's 49ers were much better than the patriots i think.
Jordan8789 2 years ago
Here is the real list little boys...most of you fags never even saw marino, montana, elway in their prime. 1. Dan Marino ( Played on teams with no running backs and no defence. would have won 6 super bowls if he played with 49ers. also think about if he had won just one superbowl is there any question he would be #1
2.Joe Montana
3. John Elway
4. Johnny Unitas
5.Brett Favre
6.Terry Bradshaw
7. Roger starbuck
8. Tom Brady
9. Fran Tarkentons
10.Bart Starr
mrrice69 2 years ago
you unrealistic nerd..listen up, you say marino would have won 6 with the niners an all that..well get over it cause it didnt happen!..you are operatig on a false assumption and living in neverland..not reality, you think the niners in 1981 had a dream team???..marino had his chance vs the niners, comming to the game with the "highest numers in the nfl" and montana gave him a class on how to win a superbowl...stop living in your little dream world bubble...Montana is the grestest piriod.
eliece7 2 years ago
Hey Pinhead, if you knew anything about this subject you would know marino never had the team montana did and the best wide receiver to ever live....not to mention Montana had numerous Pro bowl players to throw to...Marino hand two midgets Clayton & Duper and he broke all kind of records with second or third string players...know what your talking about before you question my knowledge you Fat slob
mrrice69 1 year ago
Montana was great because he won 4 super bowls with great teams like any great qb should have done...this goes for TerryB and the rest who have won more then two Super bowls... First it starts with the team and then you plugg in a great QB = Super Bowl......Marino never ever had anywhere near a great team nor did he ever have a great wide receiver...END OF STORY
mrrice69 1 year ago
By your retarded logic, Warren Moon or Dan Fouts should be #2 and #3 all-time. "Waaaahhh, they didn't have any running game... they didn't play with any skill position hall of famers.. waaaahhhh!!"
All they did was put up a ton of empty regular season numbers with nothing to show for it at the end of every season.
Marino: 8-10 in the postseason. hahahaha! WORTHLESS.
777zippy777 1 year ago
Warren Moon , Dan fouts...lol...you have no clue faggot. It just shows you don't know football. When you come on here and try to compare warren moon to Marino is a total faggot move. get you're dads b@lls out of you're face fag boy
mrrice69 1 year ago
I've forgotten more about football than you'll ever know, faggot. Just keep coming up with lame excuses for your boy. Montana kicks his ass. Marino is a choke artist just like Manning and Favre. Montana was clutch. The only clutch you know anything about is clutching your sad excuse for a dick while whacking off to that Marino poster over your bed in your mom's basement. U been OWNED, bitch.
777zippy777 1 year ago
Who's the homo all over Montana's jock...Eveyone and anyone except your faggot ass knows Marino is in the top 5 QB's of all time. I'm not making excuses just FACTS cum face..
mrrice69 1 year ago
Yeah riiight, those are facts... you clueless fag. Hey dickcheese, Montana led a shitty Chiefs team to their first AFC championship in 24 years, so fuck you faggot. Young won ONE super bowl, dumbfuck. Montana won two BEFORE Rice came along, shitforbrains.
I admit Marino was great -- in the regular season, just like Manning and Favre. Those guys all deserve to be in the top 10, but not top 5. Only Marino dickriders like you would think Marino is #1 all-time.
777zippy777 1 year ago
If you would stop and clear Montana's Juice off your face you could easily see that. You still haven't answered my question fat boy....what happen to Montana when he went to KC and why is it that once he left SF steve young won a super bowl right after?
mrrice69 1 year ago
and by the way...i remeber when both played...and the buzz was always on Steve Young..NOT on DANNY BOY..at the end Steve Young has more pass titles, SB titles, SB records, championship titles, way more effectivness and pass %, more Leauge and SB MVPs than Marinos billion ex records..no SB, 1 MVP and billion yards 16 year carrier...and YOUNG DID IT IN 7 YEARS...Thats why Steve Young is better than Marino...and his 62-7last game of his carrier loss....JJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJJAJAJA!!!!!
eliece7 1 year ago
@eliece7
Wow, someone else with some knowledge and persepective that isn't just impressed with a ton of passing yards. If anything, Young is underrated. For sure ahead of Marino. Young's running talent alone puts him ahead of Dan-o. Marino was a stone statue back there. If it wasnt for the Cowboys & Packers, Young would've matched Montana in SB rings.
And yeah, the greatest QB of all-time lost 62-7 to the Jags and was benched in his final game?? Uh, yeah, I don't think so...
777zippy777 1 year ago
why r u aggin on Marino so much? I agree, I think young is better than Marino and young is underrated, but marino was a wonderful quarterback and if there had ever been a qb that desevered a SB win in there career that never got one, it would b marino. And marino was NOT a stone wall! He didnot have the quicknees or speed of young but he had his own way mobility that many of the best qbs could only dream of having the ability 2 do. He could side step toevade the best of pass rushers. A WOOAP!!
Youngisgod 1 year ago
I think #7 all-time is just about right for Marino. These fans also ignore the fact that Marino played with 55 players named to the pro bowl in his career. Four times in Marino's career, the Dolphins had 5 or more pro bowlers in a single season. He also joined a team that had just gone to the super bowl the year before and played for one of the greatest coaches in NFL history.
777zippy777 1 year ago
its always refreshing to know that there are still people who look further than just numebrs...but in actual performance...
eliece7 1 year ago
Get a fucking clue you sorry excuse for a human...The team comes first then QB. You can't reverse it....I'm not going on arguing with a cum sucking woman like you who can't even admit Marino was a great QB....Just leave this page because this convo is way above your grade level
mrrice69 1 year ago
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777zippy777 1 year ago
Hey guys. I appericate the hard debatewith Marino and there r good points fom both sides but I would like u keep out calling each other fags pls, i dont appericate it. secondly, Marino was a fantastic qb, rating a qb 7out of 10 all-time is nota spit inthe face. but b/c he didnt win the big one and he was more self centered about himself, he is lower than favre. How/e, he did some amazing things like 36 4thQ comebacks in a regular and post-season total. I like his spot and I stick by it.
Youngisgod 1 year ago
Yes, Steve Young is better than Dan Marino..the thing is that too many people including yourself fall in love with BRUTE numers..and not effectiveness..Steve Young..2 league MVP, 6 NFL pass titles, 6 SB TD pass record) has the highets effectiveness pass rating in history 96.6,..46 rushing Tds (record) the Qb of the decade along with Favre...and most important..was never eclipsed by Mariuno or Elway in the 7 years as a starter he played..NEVER..
eliece7 1 year ago
actually, it was elway and farve who made it as qb of the decade, young didnt make it which is total shit! I totally understand why elway and favre made it, but why the fuck didnt young? And to make matters worse, Montana and Fouts made it as qbs of the decade but not Marino. There is no good argument you can make for Fouts 2 say he deserves qb of the decade but not Marino! Everyone has to agree w/ me on that!
Youngisgod 1 year ago
I would never put Fouts ahead of Marino. Marino kills him in every stat, award and even postseason success. Thats a no-brainer. Compared to Young, Marino WAS a stone statue.
I rag on Marino because of the homer Dolphin fans that are blinded and dazzled by his gaudy regular season numbers. They falsely believe that he had the worst defense in the league EVERY year of his career and, like Manning fans, blame everyone else that isn't the one taking snaps from the center.
777zippy777 1 year ago
Where is all this "QB of the decade" stuff coming from? When did that beome an official award? Sounds like just more opinion to me. Montana, yeah, but Fouts for the 80s? No way. Marino and Elway blew him out of the water for that decade.
777zippy777 1 year ago
and yeah marino in 16 years threw for 61 k yards..420 pass Tds, i admit an impresive 1984 season MVP (the year the niners crushed the dolphins in the SB)..hes got like a billion records but ironacly an effectivenss pass rating of only86..Why does he only have 1 league MVP?? and has a horrible playoff record..now u know why he has never won a SB..yeah he played consistently for 16 years as a starter..and that how he got his 61 k yards, and he did play some good games.. but thats it with marino...
eliece7 1 year ago
Too bad, asshole face. As soon as you start making excuses for your guy, it's all over for you. Marino had plenty of chances to get to super bowls- he did it once. Manning has proved you can do that without a running game.
Fucking crybaby Marino fans- so fucking predictable. Always the same whiny bullshit. "Waaahhh, if Marino played on the 49ers, he would've won 50 super bowls! waaaahhh! He never had any good teammates! waaaaahhh!!"
Shut the fuck up, faggot pussy crybaby. Montana is #1, bitch
777zippy777 1 year ago
One more thing you fat piece of slime...what happen when Montana went to kansas city ? and what happen when Montana left didn't steve young win a super bowl right after? are you saying steve young was better then Marino because he won a super bowl....lol your a total joke.
mrrice69 1 year ago
I saw 'em all, Marino had no run game, yes, but he did have the NFL's #1 scoring defense twice (1983, 1998) He also had a #7 in '84 and a #4 in '90.
He also threw at least 2 INTs in 9 of his 10 playoff losses.
He was the Manning of the 80s and 90s- without the all-important super bowl win.
His career rating was 86.4, his postseason rating was 77.1. Marino didn't elevate his game when it counted the most. You cant rate QBs based on what they might've done playing for other teams.
777zippy777 1 year ago
Again, you can't compare any of Marino's teams to Montana's, Don't get me wrong I saw Montana and if he's not #1 then he's #2 but I feel if Marino had those weapons is there any question he would have won a few Super Bowls? If you really saw Marino play in his prime then this is a no-brainer
mrrice69 1 year ago
.How on earth is Steve Young a better QB than Bret Favre and Dan Marino???
Try this list on for size
Unitas , Favre , Marino , Elway , Bradshaw , Montana , Manning , Staubach , Fouts , Brady..and honorable mention Plunkett , Stabler , Kelly and Aikman.
spadesjim 2 years ago
@spadesjim... Maybe because he has never lost a Super Bowl unlike Favre or Marino, maybe because he was the best damn double feature threat the NFL has ever seen or maybe because I don't give a shit about hype which Brett Farve and Dan Marino have a lot more of than Steve Young. Hype is shit, it is what gave Ingram the Heisman this year when it was Gerhart who deserved it. Putting Farve and Marino as the #5 & #6 quarterbacks of the all time is not an insult, putting Montana at #5 or #6 is!
Youngisgod 2 years ago
steve young has the greates QB rating in history, he also won a superbowl setting at the time a recod 6 Td passes, he in his 7 years as complete starter of the 49ers threw for more than 29,000 yards, (29000 x 2= 58,000 yards that he could have very well acomplished in 14 years is he would have been a starter all the 14 years, plus two more he would of also passed marinos 61,000 yard marker. and about Brett Favre..alot of Qbs are better than favre, only is he would throw so many interceptions!!
eliece7 2 years ago
and also i remeber when marino and young both played in the 90´s, Marino never out shinned Young in those years in the league..Never, the only guy I accept was a tough "competition" was Favre, but Favre´s greatest challenge has been to throw less inteception, he is also not great under pressure Qb in the last seconds of the game. Steve Young and Brett Favre where the best Qbs of the 90´s, but i personaly trust more in Youngs ability than Favre. Put Manning lower,he too is better than favre
eliece7 2 years ago
sorry to have removed the last comment from spadesjim, I ment to hit reply!
The reason Young didn't leave the 49ers is because he wanted to take over the 49ers. They were an excelent football team that any quaterback would wish to have and why would want to leaveonce he is on.
Youngisgod 2 years ago
dude. young was good. look at his stats. marino maight be close, but not favre
Libnanman 2 years ago
Never said Young wasn t good. .And I pray you re not going to rate his greatness on a QB rating......as football fans one of the rules is " do not fall in love with stats"....He inherited a great San Fran Team.....and before you mention the Superbowl win, back in those days the AfC was the NfC's kicked dog....I don 't consider him the top ten greatest of all time....you can give him top 25
spadesjim 2 years ago
he just !
DDwish 2 years ago
marino should be higher on the list, johnny unitas should be #1
crazytrain112 2 years ago
haha thats not true, the way manning and brady play, they would get the ball off before anyone could even touch them. Basically what i'm saying is that with the advancement of technology and knowledge of athletics, the athletes today train so much better because we know so much more on how to get in better shape. So I guarantee you someone like Otto Graham coming into the league today would get killed because athletes are so much faster now
psinerius 2 years ago
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psinerius 2 years ago
dude, peyton mannig deserves better than #10, so does Brett favre
Yankeefanman333 2 years ago
i dont think u can really compare QB's from back in the day to QB's now. Like Otto Graham? He might have been good but the way athletes train now are insane. I guarantee you, if you took favre, brady or manning and made them play back then they would tear shit up
psinerius 2 years ago
u also gotta take in account that back then there was no penalties protecting the QBs so more of them got hurt if u throw brady or manning in those times they would be fucked up
Datlef2008 2 years ago
i like the list but young shoul belate if on the list if not brady should be in
juniorvarcity 2 years ago
Overall a good list, prob the best list on youtube. Elway needs to be moved up a lot though. I respect that you put a pre-merger QB in there, but i think Otto is too high, and i like Sammy Baugh over him.
ftblplaya0792 2 years ago
Sorry but if your going off how they played the game brett farve is number one in my opinion you dont see many QB's sprinting 30-40 yards down the field at 40 to lay out one of the top LB in the NFC to me thats the best QB and peyton manning has to be number 2 he is going to crush every single record by far!!
brettthevik 2 years ago
brady ova manning
s2hisawesome 2 years ago
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jsfr1209 2 years ago
rings are won by teams not just the QBs. Montana had Rice and Taylor and played on great teams.... Steve Young as well... besides Defenses win championships...
lumpythefish 2 years ago
how is Brady not on this list?
Srrvant1 2 years ago
I am a diehard Broncos fan since back in the day when they were Super Bowl losers. Elway was great in the clutch, but I agree 100% with your rating Montana as #1. He revolutionized the qb position. Hell, that offense revolutionized football. RB's never caught so many passes before Craig and Rathman. Good job!
frogtmd 2 years ago
ok thats cool but brady still has 2 rings and will always be better then manning, ever1 that gave me thumbs down are player haters, and jsut straight up jealous,
haha eli manning got his ring at a younger age then peyton
That0neGuy223 2 years ago
he has 3
jasinski7 2 years ago
woops put 2, my bad
That0neGuy223 2 years ago
Montana number one??????? maybe top 3 but not number one. Brett will always be number one.
nebulae87 2 years ago
brett only has 1 ring, do the math dude... 18 years in the nfl and will never get the same amount of rings as montana
That0neGuy223 2 years ago
in case you havent noticed, its not about RINGS or STATS....it about how you play/played the game. In my opinion Brett has the played the game with more heart and determination than any other qb i've seen. Every through emotion adversity, he's played his heart out. Of course, since im biased on this subject, i,m gonna see things a little bit differently than somebody else. I still think he's the best qb nonetheless.
nebulae87 2 years ago
it is about rings, what would be the point of playing in the pros if there werent any rings... its a buisness its the whole damn point. and if brett really played with more determination he would have more then 1 ring
That0neGuy223 2 years ago
"its a business....its the whole damn point." damn man....im glad you dont play for my cowboys. talk about playing for the wrong reasons. The whole point is to win....that has nothing to do with business
nebulae87 2 years ago
u just its not about winning its about determination ... and no duh its a buisness its entertainment people are paying to watch a game its easy economics: win u get more money dont win u lose money,
haha cowboys.. jerry is all about making his money there.. ask his billion dollar stadium.
That0neGuy223 2 years ago
It dosent matter how determined u are u need a good team to win a superbowl, unless a team completely lucks out on its way to the superbowl like the Giants last 2 superbowls.
missionbears 2 years ago
finally some1 that understands
That0neGuy223 2 years ago
Brett Favre is terms of statistics he is the greatest QB but Montana has simply won too many Superbowls that it just outweighs his stats.
missionbears 2 years ago
i wasnt talking about his stats though. I'm ruling stats completely out of the equation. Now i wasnt born in 1930 or 1957 to witness all these old qb's but out of every FOOTBALL PLAYER, and every qb i've witness and seen on film, brett is the greatest in my opinion. He has the most heart, most determination, most guts, etc etc. Thats just my opinion. To me, he'll always be the greatest PLAYER ever to grace the sport. And like i said, im not talking about stats at all.
nebulae87 2 years ago
stats dont matter a hole heart means passion stupid go fuck yourself there is no best its an opinion but thats my opinion
fartiou 2 years ago
Yeah I know it's your fucking opinion. I got that part. But how the fuck do you decide that guy has more heart than this guy? Your opinion is as fucked as your attitude, crybaby.
777zippy777 2 years ago
1. Favre
2. Montana
3. Elway
4. Marino
5. Unitas
Metsfan4Lifee 2 years ago
there is no best qb its an opinion in my opinon bradshaw was the best and never base of stats base it of skill and heart
fartiou 2 years ago
So you base it off of something that can't be measured. How do you prove that Bradshaw had more heart than Montana or Unitas or Manning or whomever? You can't. Skill? Bradshaw had more skill than any other QB ever? Yeah, that's why he almost threw more picks than TDs.
777zippy777 2 years ago
another thing the 70 -79 defenses killed and running ruled thats why bradshaw is underrated 80-99 d sucked compared to 70-79 d
fartiou 2 years ago
Giving Bradshaw the credit for winning 4 super bowls and then saying Montana was only good because of his defense and WRs may just be the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
Go check out the Steelers' 1974 draft class: Swann, Lambert, Stallworth, Webster. And then there was a little thing called the "Steel Curtain". Maybe you've heard of it. Bradshaw had more help than any other HOF QB ever. 8 HOF teammates.
Bradshaw also threw 212 TDs and 210 INTs behind one of the greatest O-lines in history.
777zippy777 2 years ago