No. Thermodynamics does NOT contradict evolution. It has absolutely nothing to do with evolution. The breaking down and loss of energy only applies to closed systems. Life forms are NOT closed systems. Life eats food to convert into energy on a constant basis just to stay alive. In fact, just breathing gives us energy. You want to see life in a closed system? Lock a dog in an air tight box and you'll witness thermodynamics in action.
For any system to have a decrease in entropy, there are three coditions necessary:
1.It should be a closed system
2,It should be having a continuous supply of energy
3.It should have a system to convert the energy from one form to the othert.
For Abiogenesis the first two conditions are fulfilled but the third condition needs INTELLIGENT DESIGNING for a planned outcome which proves existence of God
@farzanatasneem I don't really care if you believe in a god. I don't care if you think that god is the driving force behind the universe. Just the fact that you seem to be able to accept abiogenesis tells me you've got a better understanding of the world than creationists.
But you have to know that you're still taking a huge leap in judgement. Not only are you assuming a god must convert energy, but by the looks of your video you believe it to be YOUR god that did it.
GOD is one and there is no question of Him being MY God or Your God.
He is the entity who is the cause of existence of everyone of us so the one who is MY God happens to be YOUR God too although you decided not to be thankful of him and thus deny his authority over you !
@farzanatasneem If he exists, that is. But that's the assumption you're starting off on. You can't demonstrate that the god you believe in is any more real than the gods other people believe in. Hell, show me that just one god did everything. One god instead of five gods or nine gods. Maybe your god is real, but wasn't the one to create the universe. Maybe it was God's dad.
How can you pretend to know anything about your god when you can't demonstrate a single thing about "him"?
@farzanatasneem These are just more assertions without proof. You can't demonstrate how anything can exist outside time & space, let alone if that thing can have a dad or not. Maybe dad created everything and now is just letting his kid play with reality.
Or maybe all these gods got together in a board meeting before creation to make sure they worked together right. Then it would be harmonious.
I can't prove any of this of course, but I can make it up and just keep adding things to it as I go.
If there were many gods they would have declared about theirplurality in the books they sent to guide mankind saying 'We are many so worship us all"while every scripture that describes God describes him to be one,their board meeting can be speculated by conjectures if they were many but why will they say that we are ONE God in all scriptures?
@farzanatasneem No, no. See, these gods don't need to be worshiped. They have each other so they don't get lonely like a single god would. Plus, they're so busy building hundreds of billions of galaxies, what do they care if some people write a book or two?
godS do not need to be worshiped as there is GOD not godS.
And your imagination about GOD is flawed because he has full knowledge and full control over whatever he creates and he still keeps an account of every act of yours.
It is He who sent the scriptures for your guidance, Qurán being the last one of them and is the well preserved one while other scriptures were lost with time due to improper preservation
@farzanatasneem Scriptures lost to time? Your god has full control over everything he creates, yet he can't keep track of his own holy documents? HA!
My boardroom of gods would NEVER let that happen! They have built-in redundancies to prevent information loss AND they backup all their work! Their efficient filing system is more sophisticated than anything the human mind can conceive!
The God Boardroom would never be caught dead fumbling though a shoe box of last year's receipts!
He has kept full track of everything and he judges the people according to their deeds .
So those who were the cause of this loss will be dealth with accordingly and those who searched for the word of God and then sticked to its teachings will also be rewarded for it
@farzanatasneem And that's another thing: the whole "eternal Hell/Heaven" system is so inefficient. Why do the guys that eat pork have to go to the same place as the murder/rapists? With the God Boardroom, when you commit minor crimes, you get community service. You work off your dept, learn your lesson, and then go to Heaven when your sentence is up.
@farzanatasneem Yeah, that still sounds pretty harsh for the sin of "leaving prayers". I think I'm a little gray on what you mean by that. Perhaps you can extrapolate upon this "obligatory prayer" business and why we get 60,000 years in Hell for doing it?
Assalamoalaikum This video is based upon the book ""The Mystery of Life's Origin: Reassessing Current Theories by Charles B. Thaxton Walter L. Bradley Roger L. Olsen"' The purpose of this video is to spread his work and to refer it easily on youtube as it is difficult to cite a particular point on a whole book Please add this to your More Information section. BTW I have copied off your information section.
@farzanatasneem Yeah, this "Thermodynamics" argument is so old and been refuted so many times, it's embarrassing.
The fact is that evolution is not "just a theory". It is an observed fact of life that populations of life forms can and DO mutate and change over time, becoming more complex. It happens. Period. You want to argue WHY it happens, be my guest, but this video spends 16 minutes proving an invalid point.
@farzanatasneem Who is making this discovery? Because "everything that exists needs information" sounds like a vague and unscientific claim to me. But that's beside the point because "information" and "guidance" have even less to do with the second law of thermodynamics than evolution and abiogenesis does.
Your arguments sound unorganized and unfounded. Perhaps you are the one that fancies yourself well informed.
The fields of thermodynamics and information theory both present strong challenges to the theory of evolution.Evolutionist Charles Seife has done a good job of explaining the basic concepts in the introduction and first four chapters of his book, Decoding the Universe.
You can read some part of that book just through Amazon for free.
It will inform you that "INFORMATION IS PHYSICAL "
@farzanatasneem I don't believe it! You just quoted a creationist website! Word-for-word you copy and pasted the first two sentences! I can't believe you made me waste time researching Seifi, trying to figure out how he connects thermodynamics to evolution! And it turns out he doesn't! Some creationist did it and you're just repeating it!
Thermodynamics has nothing to do with evolution! Or creation! You don't know what you're talking about, you're just connecting dots that aren't there!
@farzanatasneem It's not his book that I'm objecting to. It's what this other guy is trying to assert by misrepresenting Seifi's work. Charles isn't even talking about evolution. He's talking about physics and the larger mysteries of the universe. The guy isn't a biologist, and you can't claim he's saying things about evolution when he's clearly NOT.
Creationism isn't science. It rides on science's coat tails trying to take credit from other people's hard work.
You must read what that other guy who is a creationist trying to interpret.
Charles Seifi is a physicist and is talking about information theory as implied to the universe and this information is contained in everything including DNA
I get that DNA is a code for building a life form. But it's not a code in the same way that we use codes. When we use language it's to communicate from one person to another. DNA however, is simply a self-replicating system and we have a very comprehensive understanding of how it works and why. It operates without assistance and there's no point where we can detect the influence of any god (ill-defined as the word is).
You cannot imagine or you do not want to imagine that God created this self replicating code of life and created circumstances to replicate it with the help of cells they exist in
@farzanatasneem No no. I can imagine. I've got a great imagination. Imagining something is not the problem. I simply do not see a reason to assume that a god must've been responsible when the process is natural and unassisted. If you WANT to imagine that Allah (blessings and peace be upon him) waved his hand over the whole thing, go ahead, just so long as you don't try to deny that the process actually happened.
No. Thermodynamics does NOT contradict evolution. It has absolutely nothing to do with evolution. The breaking down and loss of energy only applies to closed systems. Life forms are NOT closed systems. Life eats food to convert into energy on a constant basis just to stay alive. In fact, just breathing gives us energy. You want to see life in a closed system? Lock a dog in an air tight box and you'll witness thermodynamics in action.
FrankLightheart 1 month ago
@FrankLightheart
This video talks about Abiogenesis.
For any system to have a decrease in entropy, there are three coditions necessary:
1.It should be a closed system
2,It should be having a continuous supply of energy
3.It should have a system to convert the energy from one form to the othert.
For Abiogenesis the first two conditions are fulfilled but the third condition needs INTELLIGENT DESIGNING for a planned outcome which proves existence of God
farzanatasneem 1 month ago
@farzanatasneem I don't really care if you believe in a god. I don't care if you think that god is the driving force behind the universe. Just the fact that you seem to be able to accept abiogenesis tells me you've got a better understanding of the world than creationists.
But you have to know that you're still taking a huge leap in judgement. Not only are you assuming a god must convert energy, but by the looks of your video you believe it to be YOUR god that did it.
FrankLightheart 1 month ago
@FrankLightheart
GOD is one and there is no question of Him being MY God or Your God.
He is the entity who is the cause of existence of everyone of us so the one who is MY God happens to be YOUR God too although you decided not to be thankful of him and thus deny his authority over you !
farzanatasneem 1 month ago
@farzanatasneem If he exists, that is. But that's the assumption you're starting off on. You can't demonstrate that the god you believe in is any more real than the gods other people believe in. Hell, show me that just one god did everything. One god instead of five gods or nine gods. Maybe your god is real, but wasn't the one to create the universe. Maybe it was God's dad.
How can you pretend to know anything about your god when you can't demonstrate a single thing about "him"?
FrankLightheart 1 month ago
@FrankLightheart
God is beyond time and space and so he does not have a dad.
If there were many gods, this unioverse would have many non-harmonious laws so it is the result of creation by ONE God.
He is God because he created this universe, if he did not , then he cannot be god.
Now work on God hypotheiss to see everything fits so well in this hypothesis
farzanatasneem 1 month ago
@farzanatasneem These are just more assertions without proof. You can't demonstrate how anything can exist outside time & space, let alone if that thing can have a dad or not. Maybe dad created everything and now is just letting his kid play with reality.
Or maybe all these gods got together in a board meeting before creation to make sure they worked together right. Then it would be harmonious.
I can't prove any of this of course, but I can make it up and just keep adding things to it as I go.
FrankLightheart 4 weeks ago
@FrankLightheart
If there were many gods they would have declared about theirplurality in the books they sent to guide mankind saying 'We are many so worship us all"while every scripture that describes God describes him to be one,their board meeting can be speculated by conjectures if they were many but why will they say that we are ONE God in all scriptures?
farzanatasneem 4 weeks ago
@farzanatasneem No, no. See, these gods don't need to be worshiped. They have each other so they don't get lonely like a single god would. Plus, they're so busy building hundreds of billions of galaxies, what do they care if some people write a book or two?
FrankLightheart 4 weeks ago
@FrankLightheart
godS do not need to be worshiped as there is GOD not godS.
And your imagination about GOD is flawed because he has full knowledge and full control over whatever he creates and he still keeps an account of every act of yours.
It is He who sent the scriptures for your guidance, Qurán being the last one of them and is the well preserved one while other scriptures were lost with time due to improper preservation
farzanatasneem 4 weeks ago
@farzanatasneem Scriptures lost to time? Your god has full control over everything he creates, yet he can't keep track of his own holy documents? HA!
My boardroom of gods would NEVER let that happen! They have built-in redundancies to prevent information loss AND they backup all their work! Their efficient filing system is more sophisticated than anything the human mind can conceive!
The God Boardroom would never be caught dead fumbling though a shoe box of last year's receipts!
FrankLightheart 4 weeks ago
@FrankLightheart
He has kept full track of everything and he judges the people according to their deeds .
So those who were the cause of this loss will be dealth with accordingly and those who searched for the word of God and then sticked to its teachings will also be rewarded for it
farzanatasneem 3 weeks ago
@farzanatasneem And that's another thing: the whole "eternal Hell/Heaven" system is so inefficient. Why do the guys that eat pork have to go to the same place as the murder/rapists? With the God Boardroom, when you commit minor crimes, you get community service. You work off your dept, learn your lesson, and then go to Heaven when your sentence is up.
FrankLightheart 3 weeks ago
Understanding hell and heaven is even easy with the knowledge of long lives of stars and galaxies.
When we leave one obligatory prayer it amounts to punishment of 60,000 years
farzanatasneem 3 weeks ago
So when we talk about punishment for leaving prayer we still call it a punishment FOREVER
This is because 60000 yrs are like many many earthly lives
But the punishments differ for different sins
farzanatasneem 3 weeks ago
@farzanatasneem Yeah, that still sounds pretty harsh for the sin of "leaving prayers". I think I'm a little gray on what you mean by that. Perhaps you can extrapolate upon this "obligatory prayer" business and why we get 60,000 years in Hell for doing it?
FrankLightheart 3 weeks ago
farzanatasneem 6 months ago
@farzanatasneem
Done !
trustworthyno1 6 months ago
@farzanatasneem Yeah, this "Thermodynamics" argument is so old and been refuted so many times, it's embarrassing.
The fact is that evolution is not "just a theory". It is an observed fact of life that populations of life forms can and DO mutate and change over time, becoming more complex. It happens. Period. You want to argue WHY it happens, be my guest, but this video spends 16 minutes proving an invalid point.
FrankLightheart 1 month ago
@FrankLightheart
This thermodynamics argument cannot be refuted because it is getting discovered that everything that exists needs INFORMATION to get the guidance.
I have no intention of arguing or teaching those ignorants who feel themselves well informed !
farzanatasneem 1 month ago
@farzanatasneem Who is making this discovery? Because "everything that exists needs information" sounds like a vague and unscientific claim to me. But that's beside the point because "information" and "guidance" have even less to do with the second law of thermodynamics than evolution and abiogenesis does.
Your arguments sound unorganized and unfounded. Perhaps you are the one that fancies yourself well informed.
FrankLightheart 1 month ago
@FrankLightheart
The fields of thermodynamics and information theory both present strong challenges to the theory of evolution.Evolutionist Charles Seife has done a good job of explaining the basic concepts in the introduction and first four chapters of his book, Decoding the Universe.
You can read some part of that book just through Amazon for free.
It will inform you that "INFORMATION IS PHYSICAL "
farzanatasneem 1 month ago
@farzanatasneem I don't believe it! You just quoted a creationist website! Word-for-word you copy and pasted the first two sentences! I can't believe you made me waste time researching Seifi, trying to figure out how he connects thermodynamics to evolution! And it turns out he doesn't! Some creationist did it and you're just repeating it!
Thermodynamics has nothing to do with evolution! Or creation! You don't know what you're talking about, you're just connecting dots that aren't there!
FrankLightheart 1 month ago
@FrankLightheart
Why should you be so biased against a creationist websiteand discard it without examining what it said?
TCharles Seifi is an evolutionist so you should feel SECURE in reading his book.
He gets mesmerised with information theory but still does not utter CREATION and that is the catch with you evolutionists !
Seeing they see not !
farzanatasneem 1 month ago
@farzanatasneem It's not his book that I'm objecting to. It's what this other guy is trying to assert by misrepresenting Seifi's work. Charles isn't even talking about evolution. He's talking about physics and the larger mysteries of the universe. The guy isn't a biologist, and you can't claim he's saying things about evolution when he's clearly NOT.
Creationism isn't science. It rides on science's coat tails trying to take credit from other people's hard work.
FrankLightheart 4 weeks ago
@FrankLightheart
You must read what that other guy who is a creationist trying to interpret.
Charles Seifi is a physicist and is talking about information theory as implied to the universe and this information is contained in everything including DNA
farzanatasneem 4 weeks ago
@farzanatasneem I get that. But so what?
I get that DNA is a code for building a life form. But it's not a code in the same way that we use codes. When we use language it's to communicate from one person to another. DNA however, is simply a self-replicating system and we have a very comprehensive understanding of how it works and why. It operates without assistance and there's no point where we can detect the influence of any god (ill-defined as the word is).
FrankLightheart 4 weeks ago
@FrankLightheart
You cannot imagine or you do not want to imagine that God created this self replicating code of life and created circumstances to replicate it with the help of cells they exist in
farzanatasneem 3 weeks ago
@farzanatasneem No no. I can imagine. I've got a great imagination. Imagining something is not the problem. I simply do not see a reason to assume that a god must've been responsible when the process is natural and unassisted. If you WANT to imagine that Allah (blessings and peace be upon him) waved his hand over the whole thing, go ahead, just so long as you don't try to deny that the process actually happened.
FrankLightheart 3 weeks ago
@FrankLightheart
Blessings and peace are sent on the Prophet, not on Allah .
Allah is the source of every peace and blessings.
Humans cannot give anything to God
farzanatasneem 3 weeks ago
@farzanatasneem I stand corrected.
Doesn't change my point. If you're not trying to dispute the science, I have no problem. You're free to believe whatever you like.
FrankLightheart 3 weeks ago
@FrankLightheart
Just Google "decoding the universe by Charles Seifi"
farzanatasneem 1 month ago