A History of Scotland - Episode 2 - Hammers of the Scots (2/6)

[sheriwhispers]

Ruthless ruthless ? madman more like push the limits on that one the killing of any child to prove points is insanity..erms...

[kapkone]

glad the Scots can decide by vote now, rather than by brute force and murderous barbarism

[fesbahn]

world would have been better off without that egomaniac. try and justify him as you might.

[Cupcake031998]

killing the baby girl was sad its a wee shame i wish he didnea kill her vote this up if u think the baby should not have been murderd alexander should have been sentenced to death but im wif the scots

[kapkone]

@Cupcake031998 I agree, an innocent and a girl should have been exempt from that fate

[Katazka]

@SuperMidgetinaBikini Yeah, even the Bruce brothers did more than Wallace. But he is possibly the best national hero because he was the one who stood up for Scotland when it had no King, and the only reason Scotland survived was because Wallace and a few thousand highlanders fought the English and some of the English French lords, while all the Scottish Nobles kicked the head of each other safe behind the highlands.

[11nytram11]

@Katazka Well, that kind of overlooks the whole issue of the Comyn's covert support for the exiled Balliol's and backing of the major uprisings against Longshanks prior to the Red Comyn's death at Dumfries, and kind of ignores Andrew de Moray who was more successful that Wallace when he was alive and arguably the man who planned the battle of Stirling Bridge - but apart from them Wallace was the leader of the anti-English pro-Scottish-independence faction prior to the Bruce's rise to power.

[Katazka]

@11nytram11 Obviously there were others, no doubt, who made the fight victorious. Wallace certainly would not have won by himself. But I dont think that Scotland would have won without Wallace. He was a charismatic leader that inspired the Scots and scared the shit from the English. His legend probably did more for Scotland than any one man.

[forman1200]

The music becomes uplifting right after he talks about the murdered baby. o_o

[journalistgirl07]

@forman1200 yep.

[shoobedoorocketship]

it was a girl baby, i dont know why he didnt make her his ward and marry her off to one of his sons when she came of age.

[Infesturmind]

@UnakaWaholi

If he didn't kill the baby....Hundreds of babies would of been killed. As fucked up as he was...He actually saved many lives.

[Uuuurk]

@Infesturmind No, hundreds of babies might have been killed. Just because someone could claim the throne didnt mean that they would or would have been supported.

[jasmoof23de]

@Infesturmind game of thrones huh?

[TheTraumarama2]

@jasmoof23de

Fuck... Tywin Lannister and Gregor Clegane seemed to be Alexander split into two people.

[Islandretreat]

I resent historians like Oliver teaching us a totally false history. They have distorted the facts and in many cases telling downright lies. David I is lauded as the man who "effectively created the kingdom of Scotland as we would now recognise it", when in truth it was the policy of David I which led to the Culdee Church lying in ruins and replaced by Latin christianity, until that Antichrist Kirk was replaced by a man named Knox, "modern Scotland is his monument"!

[bondapovon]

@UnakaWaholi

Killing a single baby to spare a potential future civil war is actually the ethical decision. One death to stop many more.

[troikagirl]

Many people seem to have "selected" sadness. Yes, the baby being killed was terrible, but how many abortions take place every year in Britain? How many innocent women and children are killed every week in Afganistan and Iraq?...no one knows, and no one seems to care.

[debzeppeliniv]

it is done everyday, it is called abortion

[1313stephen1313]

i love how people judge the societies of the past under the morals of today.... srry people it doesnt work like that... the baby was killed because of the threat to the crown she presented... horrible? yes, but if u look at any of the kings from any of the societies of that time period they have done the same or worse...

[alanheath]

@UnakaWaholi By our standards undoubtedly.  Alexander saw things differently.

[MrMetalheart10]

wow another blow to my view of Scotland being a race of honourable brave warriors. If it was an englishmen saying all this then it would be ok but it's a Scot...

[Trumblebee]

Poor baby :(

[NoisemakerArrow]

BS. A baby's just a baby.

[Rahab111222]

That'd be cool

[Rahab111222]

Where's Mel Gibson?

FREEEEEEEEDOM!

[imeandmyself07]

what a boy!!

[acerb45666555]

1:32......Excommunicated?? what??!! what he do?? and why nail the Church Of Scotland??

[mike198595]

@acerb45666555 i know they dont give any explanation on why the pope chose to back an english king when the english are protestant and the scots are catholic

[djskajanddjdod]

@mike198595 Not all Scots were Catholic, and not all English were Protestant

[djskajanddjdod]

@mike198595 I see what you mean the, the majority was as you say, it was an unusual decision, i think he chose to back the side most likely to win.

[KateFan]

@djskajanddjdod Yeah, he backed the most powerful side regardless of who's "right" or "wrong". Typical of the catholic church.

[Islandretreat]

@KateFan, she's the mother of all that is wrong.

[Luso515PorTuoGraal]

@djskajanddjdod In that time all Scotland, all England, all Wales(under England) Ireland etc. (all western and Northen Europe) were Catholic - Roman Catholic.

Protestantism, Anglicanism etc. only apeared more than 300 years later in Europe as in British isles.

[chimaira6668]

@mike198595

This was when there was no such thing as Prostestants everybody was catholic in europe , at this time

[Islandretreat]

@chimaira6668, politically correct 'historians' like Neil Oliver never mention the fact King Robert the Bruce and all of his subjects were excommunicated for resisting the English Kings, and that the Pope was using the Normans to destroy the Gaelic [Culdee] Church all along. Same happened in Ireland. A look at true history shows "warrior Bishops" [Roman] like the Manx Bishop Wimund and even William the Conqueror's brother Odo, was a Roman Bishop and led a Norman army into Scotland in 1072.

[Madcronic01]

They were fighting for f-reedom- not pure enjoyment of killing kill. talking bout scotland.

[KateFan]

@Madcronic01 dynastic struggles, more like. Freedom has little to do with it. It's all about power, and you grab it as ruthlessly as you can. Everything else is just myth-making.

[keflar5]

If the timing is that dodgy maybe he was offed

[MilitantOldLady]

ah that was smart...a petty despute of two snot nosed brats delt death to thousands

someone ought to have given them a propper thrashing

[methenium]

@MilitantOldLady

I know of much worse.

[RollerMihke]

Can we trust Lanercost (a rabid, anti-Scottish source) about the killing of the baby? Not that it isn't plausible, but that chronicle was not always correct.