I'll add something: some of the comments here are so negative. Shame on you, folks, who may know a little thing, or two about music IN THEORY, but still don't know how to LISTEN to music.
Vengerov IS music. He is music. You don't like his face? Go somewhere else, but make no noise. How relevant is that? This man IS music. If you can't see it, be quite, leave, then come back in a few years. Don't leave words here that will shame you forever!
Violinists versus Musical Violinists. Maxim is a Musical Violinist. Not just a technician that plays notes like most robotic violin players. But a musician who feels every note, every passage, and makes it his own special rendition and interpretation. No one wants to hear the same fucking rendition of this concerto over and over and over. If you want to be special you have to make it special.... BRILLIANT MAXIM. YOU ARE ONE OF THE GREATS. GREAT RENDITION.
Yep, blessings on dzidkonia for giving us these. I appreciate it entirely.This is massive music folks. This man is SO inside Sibelius. His soloing is completely unlike any of the others - he is on a different plane altogether. I love each violinist here, Batiashvilli, Hahn, the others. But Vengerov, OH MY GOD!
This man is blowing his wad all over Sibelius and Barenboim. This is awesome! I feel like I need to grab a well-proportioned young lady and a bottle wine to enjoy this even more!
o my God!words are nothing, nothing!just listen, listen this.when we all die,this remains...i don´t know, how you all can compare, make opinions in face of musik, this musik!and this playing.i don´t catch it.
c très facil de critiquer les personne qui jouent, ce qui né pas facil c de mettre toute son ame dans la musique et senfoutre de vos critiques,, Respect pour cette interprétation merveilleuse
Comments should be done with responsibility and humility, and above all, respecting the artists. No one who writes here can be better than one performing here. Many of those who write here commentaries are preposterous to hide their ignorance and frustration. My God! how they would like to play like one of these soloists. Please!!! Step on earth!!!
If you see videos of Vengerov playing when he was a kid, he was already doing faces, which ONLY means that's the way he expresses himself. If you don't like his making-faces, the solution is pretty simple: close you eyes, because what he does is Music, not videos or movies. Besides, it's very easy to notice that some people commenting have some grudge against him, as if they'd knew him in person, which I seriously doubt.
So please, relax: you CAN choose. If you don't like this version, you can listen another one... and there are several! Oistrakh, Ferras, Hahn, Vengerov and many others. Who told you it's mandatory to listen only this one? Or who told you there's only one rightful, absolute, undisputed way to play this Concerto? That's nonsense! And be careful about hates and grudges: those feelings are not good in any way whatsoever, and that's not even my opinion: it's just a plain fact. Long live Sibelius!!!
Vengerov is the only person I have seen or heard who plays the beginning section entirely on the G String which gives his tone an incredible muted touch on the high notes. If you ever actually purchase this recording which is included in Vengerov's box set and listen to the normalized sound you can hear just how amazing he actually plays this movement, but this video does little justice.
WHAT!!!!! mediocre effort!!! wtf...c´mon people what are you saying!!?? these are just brilliant musicians trying to please and entertain you and the way you repay them is by calling them mediocre?!?!?...losers...
I also have your mentioned version, and it isnt the best in my mind, listen to oistrakh and rosdedensky, ferras plays a little bit out of tune some doubble spots, and so on if you like so much ferras you should have mention the ferras karajan berlin version, so please shut up, and let reasonable people listen thihs two great musicians
when are you guys to understand there isnt the right version ore the refference one?? there are thoousands ways to play music and everyone of them are valid yu cn like more ferras one but you cant say vengerov is mediocre I mean I know thousands of violinst who would love to play like him
I think your cmments are getting desrespectfouls and you cant do that again you might not like this one but is a genius version ayway
so, but this isnt a mediocral effert, is actually a marvelous one, but ferras I am agree is fantastyc, so not because of that youc can say vengerov is mediocral, very few violinst can play like this, and the orchestra is simple fantastyc dude, you just cant talk like this is a respect falt for two great musicians
Only when you could play ore conduct only the half well this guys are doing you can talk how you are doing not before
real argues not this o by the way I am a violinist and have read way a lot about sibelius music I have the score the original to, and guess what the reason why it is corrected is cause he liked better the second one and also, I just love this version
what the hell does it mean:An israelian conductor (Barenboim) and a russian violin player (Vengerov) does a really poor job and is almost destroying this piece just to make their own version.
It ´s sad., I mean dont you think thats a little bit rascist from you??
I mean the origins nothing have to do with what you do, claudio arrau was chilean and there are some really great assians performers nagano for example donst do those comments say just your opinions but wit
third you cant compare you to sibelius and in anycase are you availabable to say that you understand music from sibelius better than one of the greatest music genius of our time Baremboim!!, maybe you could say something about vengerov, but about beremboim mm I dont think so and hey guess what ?? your comments doesnt make anysense talk about real spots so we can discous, you know?? I just think you are a fascist discriminaiting this version just becaus
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Wow! I just came here after listening to Christian Ferras.....what a serious shock! Ferras is the REAL THING! Vengerov is a clown by comparison in every way. He over dramatizes every note in an effort to actually make something happen musically, and falls limp and dead, where Ferras needs no such pretending because he is a real Artist. Ferras infinitely more artistic. Ferras is Fearless! Vengerov is shameless....
You are in excellent company too! Most violin-expersts think Ferras version of Sibelius violin concerto is the best there is!
If people took the time to listen to Christian Ferras version under the conductor Zubin Mehta here on youtube - Many would dismiss Vengerovs mediocre effort.
are you pro-critical for a classical music magazine ? Everyone knows that Ferras is the greatest sibelius concerto player but you can't say "mediocre".. Vengerov is one of the best player and his performance is amazing, he have his style, respect this or send your cv carreer or your grades to qualify Vengerov's performance as mediocre !!
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Now I have once more compared much praised Vengerovs version of Sibelius to 14-year old Hilary Hahns.
Vengerov is technically absolut master! But on this level that doesn´t give much credit...His playing is cold, soft and technical...Actually very bad. He does not convey what this masterpiece is all about - Nordic soul!
Hilary Hahn is a true genius on this piece!! Even at the tender age of 14 she gives a mature and intense version of Sibelius violin concerto! Absolutely wonderful version!
I am a Scandinavian myself, just like Jean Sibelius.
This violinconcert does not show the things Sibelius intended to display with this violin-masterpiece.
It is simply to tame! It does not reflect on nordic soul at all!!
I am sure Sibelius would turn in his grave if he knew people actually liked Vengerovs version...
An israelian conductor (Barenboim) and a russian violin player (Vengerov) does a really poor job and is almost destroying this piece just to make their own version.
ok just say I dont like it, and aybody would attack you but you did make serious mistakes.
Ok first that all Sibelius was a symbol and still being from Finland., second if Finland is in the scandinavian zone of europe ore what ever, that doesnt mean that they have the same culture is almost as affensive as saying japanese is the same than chinese. Grieg was noregean also scandivian I guess,, but his music has nothing to do with sibelius they are completely diferent cultures with
Vengerov has the amazing capability to deliver the max dynamic range of violin (very hard on i.e. high G & E string/any near-bridge) with great colors & depths (important especially when playing with an orchestra) Therefore, 1. his interpretation has greater contrast & therefore, better effect of mood changes. 2. He also has great techniques. These two elements are what I'm looking for when I listen to a violinist. He clearly gives me both well. I think even Heifetz would respect him a lot!
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I have listened a lot on violin music redviolinstuk!
Not on youtube, but on my stereo..
I have both Vengerovs Sibelius and Hilary Hahns Sibelius on cd, Hilary wins every time I compare them.
I have also many recordings by Yehuda Menuhin, David Oistrakh, Leonid Kogan, Jasha Heifetz, Itzakh Perlman,Henryk Szeryng and Christian Ferras among others...
So Mr "redviolinstuk" I actually think I know what I am talking about. I happen to love the violin as an instrument.
first of all when did i ever deny your love of the violin.. i merely doubt the credibility of your statement when you can write off the musical seriousness of an accepted genius so easily, with so obviously personal and unsourced evidence.. if you would take the time to read your comment again you will see that you need to take the care to present your opinions as opinions and not as facts! my dear friend, not even the most respected music critics in the world would dream of doing this...
also in future if your replies are directed at me, could you please reply to MY comment instead of making a general one so that i am notifed!! or would i be right in thinking you are trying to avoid confrotation because you know you are in the wrong but are too proud to admit it..?? please grow up..
I am a Scandinavian. I have studied Sibelius music.
Vengerov (and Barenboim) are abusing this wonderful violin concerto! I know,because this was not the first version played. First version is more complicated and difficult to master.
Vengerov is slowing it down...Playing too softly, and also still makes monkey faces - Ridicuolus faces! He didn´t do that when he was young so it is a learned behaviour.
VENGEROV IS MOST OVERRATED VIOLIN PLAYER IN MODERN TIMES!
who could take you seriously when you base your opinions solely on youtube recordings..?!? fair enough everyone is entitled to their own opinions but who are you to make such strong accusations..? vengerov is a supreme artist nobody can deny that, when you can play like him then maybe you could get away with such audacity.. but until that day, keep your ignorant thoughts to yourself please!!
the thing is, it wasn't an opinion, it was an attack.. i find opinions interesting but some of your comments were irrelevent and just plain offensive! sometimes it is better not to share all your thoughts as sure nobody found your comment helpful and if not to help people what good is there in sharing opinion?!... ask yourself that.
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For me this version by Vengerov is tame and simply lacks intensity!
I prefer some other violin players (on this wonderful music by Sibelius)
A matter of taste!? Probably.
But especially Christian Ferras plays this like there was no tomorrow! He has the "diabolic element" in his playing of Sibelius violinconcerto. Vengerov has not...
especially Christian Ferras plays this piece like there was no tomorrow
Your comment is absolute rubbish. Hilary Hahn isn't in the same league as Maxim Vengerov (in terms of Sibelius). Vengerov is so, so original, and his tone is just UNBEATABLE. Christian Ferras isn't a musician, just a mushy, emotional idiot who doesn't know when to stop crying!
Why instead? Why not listen to either?I enjoyed Christian Ferras' rendition immensely but prefer that of Vengerov. Ferras is "your" musician, Vengerov is "mine". Tastes differ, don't they? But to say he is mediocre is to deny the undeniable fact. Be fair!
mediocre ajajajajajajaajaa sorry but you aren¨t concious what are you saying this is the best performance of sibelius violin concerto vengerov is a great musician very passioned and mature you should have respect for him
Beautiful piece and it is played exquisitely. It's a shame that some people find Mxim's facial tics so distracting. I should say I find the distracting as well, so I just listen instead of watching.
I don't find it distracting at all. It actually helps me understand his interpretation even better. When you are at his level of concentration, flying away with the music you are playing, you lose control over your own body and it goes with the music. If you or him try to hold it back it will certainly affect the quality of the performance.
the reason i don't find his movements distracting is because it is so natural and not forced in the least. there is nothing artificial about his playing or moving, and that is why i find his performing so incredibly amazing and powerful.
i don´t understand,why somebody speaks about Ferras?hm...how do you think,who is better,Elman or Kulenkampf?it´s ridiculous.there is no The One,the best.there is only music.or not:)))
what a bowing!one line from first note untill the end.great,really.just may be to low recording level.don´t know, sounds here,like not normalised.tnk very much!
Nice contrast between the second and third part. I really enjoyed that version even though I doesn't usually like Vengerov's style so much. But this was one of the best interpretations of this part that I've ever heared. Unfortunately I can't say the same as listening to the finale...
Beautiful interpretation of this mvt. People often describe this cocerto as icy but I've always found it fiery and passionate especially this mvt. Great playing!
Are you joking? Regardless of your obvious poor taste, it'd be hard to realistically describe anything of this level of playing as "shit," and not just saying "I don't like this interpretation."
I really can not understand why the fuck people love so much to this guy, he's a good violin player, a nice person but we can find much more interesting musicians nowadays in my opinion, and Ferras did an astonishing performance of this concerto...I was lucky enough to see his strad " Kochansky " and my legs were shaking knowing that that violin have played such incredible concerto.
one of the most touching and intimate readings ive ever come across of the sibelius adagio from the concerto. Exquisite soft playing - so often overlooked today. Maxim always gives something special to his listeners - thats why he is a star!
If you played the violin i dont think you'll be standing on stage like a statute, looking like a plain old idiot, with a blank face. Just listen to the music.
I think Vengerov could be a much better violinist if he focused more on music making than movement making. A lot of times his movements cause him to screw up technically. If he moved more naturally, and let everything flow naturally, he'd be amazing
lol..... you oviously have never really been into music deeply to the point where, you kno how to play it so nicely ur body moves by itself, when u can just move ur body freely, is because you have mastered the piece
You obviously can't read. I said that movements are good when they come naturally, but Maxim vengerov's seemed forced and exaggerated. According to you, being able to move a lot means that you have mastered the piece, if this is so, then why does Vengerov make so many errors? His movements aren't completely natural. If you really want to see some fluid and heartfelt movement then watch videos of David Oistrakh.
lol ill only say....... meh whatever i wont argue :S fighting over the internet is like the special people olimpics, even if you win, ure still retarded
What the hell? DId you just say that Oistrakh is lifeless, dead, and cold? Omg, I can't believe what I just read. How could any one say that? Have you ever listened to him? You must be fucking insane, there's no other explanation. No half assed musician would ever say that Oistrakh's playing is cold and lifeless, you must be out of your mind.
hear hear!! and how many mistakes did you hear anyway?? I think his playing is expressive and straight from the heart. Obviously he isn't going 'urgh next note, next note, next note, i... must... be... a... playing machine...' He's one of the most natural musicians i've ever seen. I put him right up there with Heifetz :D
You don't know a shit about Russian early 20th century violin playing. Because if you would , you would know that Vengerov's Professor was one of Oistrakh's assistant in Moscow conservatoire, Zakhar Bron.
I actually DO know that (don't question my knowledge of the violin, or Maxim), but do not see how that makes Oistrakh any less lifeless, or Maxim any less amazing. So way to make...no point at all!
You don't know how to form an argument if you don't know a shit about the issue to discuss. Your taste is awful, and you are insulting to music saying that about Oistrakh.
How did you jump to the conclusion I don't know anything about the "issue" we're discussing? Because I don't agree with you? Please, grow up.
Once again, you don't KNOW my taste, or who else I admire, so how can it be awful?
I'm insulting music by not liking a russian violinist? Oh, darn. I'll have to go call my parents and tell them they did a lousy job of raising me. (Sarcasm)
And yes , you're right , my written english is not very good , but with neandertals like you I don't need to use Bukowski's vocabulary. If you don't like my grammar fuck you off my friend.
i recently heard sergey khachatryan perform this with ny phil with kurt masur conducting - he played beautiflly, but he was often drowned out by the orchestra - here, barenboim brilliantly balances the orchestral forces against the violin - notice how in the final forte how he holds back the orchestra while the violin soars above the orchestra - in ny, khachatryan was all but drowned out at this crucial moment - bravo on all acounts on this performance!
I think this is brilliantly played by both orchestra and soloist. I would be making facing too if I were feeling this music. I recall Streisand, hip-hoppers, whatever making faces when they feel the music. The music is the important part and the rest is pretty much irrelevent.
OK the faces are entirely out of order, but he plays brilliantly. Though why so softly? Shouldnt he be producing enough sound that I dont have to turn the volume up and down depending on if the orchestra?
you have to see the music from another point of view. many violinists just give it, they pour their wrath out upon the secon mvt of sibelius, but this is unique, vengerov is showing restrained passion.
I'll add something: some of the comments here are so negative. Shame on you, folks, who may know a little thing, or two about music IN THEORY, but still don't know how to LISTEN to music.
Vengerov IS music. He is music. You don't like his face? Go somewhere else, but make no noise. How relevant is that? This man IS music. If you can't see it, be quite, leave, then come back in a few years. Don't leave words here that will shame you forever!
diviajar 2 months ago
Oh, Vengerov, you're so fantastic! I only have one complain about this video/concert: I wasn't there! How I'd have loved to see it live! Fantastic.
I've seen Vengerov playing Brams sonatas in Brussels. He's a fantastic person. He's wonderful. And, on top of it all, such a great, great artist!
Vengerov, thank you for so many fantastic performances! You make this world a better place!
diviajar 2 months ago
Not only the most brilliant violinist of our time but also fascinating to watch for the way he enfolds himself into the music. Astonishing.
mrlevina2 5 months ago
Lo escucho una y otra vez, y no me canso... gracias Sibelius, gracias Vengerov.
pp38nicu 5 months ago
¡¡¡Maravillosa interpretación!!!
Vengerov es pasión en estado puro.
pepenomedestormento 7 months ago
Amazing connection with Symphony. He is lost in Brilliance....Bravo.
jdwriter 11 months ago
When I see Vengerov perform, I see a showman. Wonderful piece. Wonderful rendition!
andreoesguerra 1 year ago
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Violinists versus Musical Violinists. Maxim is a Musical Violinist. Not just a technician that plays notes like most robotic violin players. But a musician who feels every note, every passage, and makes it his own special rendition and interpretation. No one wants to hear the same fucking rendition of this concerto over and over and over. If you want to be special you have to make it special.... BRILLIANT MAXIM. YOU ARE ONE OF THE GREATS. GREAT RENDITION.
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BOMDOM50 1 year ago
great performance for VENGEROV.
and a big BRAVO to BAREMBOIM, the ORCHESTRA and mainly to...SIBELIUS!!
davlak2 1 year ago
la migliore interpretazione di questo movimento su you tube!
luimarish 1 year ago
Never mind his facial contorsions, his playing - his intonantion, his phrasing, his sound quality - is wonderful!!!
mizzothify 1 year ago
extremely beautiful ....
Among this sibelius concertoes, best version it is !
can't help keep listening to vengerov's ....
yurietyler 1 year ago
Yep, blessings on dzidkonia for giving us these. I appreciate it entirely.This is massive music folks. This man is SO inside Sibelius. His soloing is completely unlike any of the others - he is on a different plane altogether. I love each violinist here, Batiashvilli, Hahn, the others. But Vengerov, OH MY GOD!
brasselp 1 year ago
Then you will squirt squirrrrrt it. Schickk.
jayadsilva67 1 year ago
Yes, I get it.A young lady who would be ready to spread her legs.
jayadsilva67 1 year ago
This man is blowing his wad all over Sibelius and Barenboim. This is awesome! I feel like I need to grab a well-proportioned young lady and a bottle wine to enjoy this even more!
silkymop 1 year ago
even with volume at full blast its tough to hear :/
Fracture55 1 year ago 4
Superb!!
keepthemusicplaying0 1 year ago
o my God!words are nothing, nothing!just listen, listen this.when we all die,this remains...i don´t know, how you all can compare, make opinions in face of musik, this musik!and this playing.i don´t catch it.
vint22 2 years ago 2
Great......
raoultak 2 years ago
c très facil de critiquer les personne qui jouent, ce qui né pas facil c de mettre toute son ame dans la musique et senfoutre de vos critiques,, Respect pour cette interprétation merveilleuse
melomansarasatiste 2 years ago
*uses
ItalianViolinist 2 years ago
I love his playing. It's amazing how he use every single inch of his bow. Wonderful.
ItalianViolinist 2 years ago
Comments should be done with responsibility and humility, and above all, respecting the artists. No one who writes here can be better than one performing here. Many of those who write here commentaries are preposterous to hide their ignorance and frustration. My God! how they would like to play like one of these soloists. Please!!! Step on earth!!!
alvarito45 2 years ago 29
If you see videos of Vengerov playing when he was a kid, he was already doing faces, which ONLY means that's the way he expresses himself. If you don't like his making-faces, the solution is pretty simple: close you eyes, because what he does is Music, not videos or movies. Besides, it's very easy to notice that some people commenting have some grudge against him, as if they'd knew him in person, which I seriously doubt.
dcb01ene2000 2 years ago 4
So please, relax: you CAN choose. If you don't like this version, you can listen another one... and there are several! Oistrakh, Ferras, Hahn, Vengerov and many others. Who told you it's mandatory to listen only this one? Or who told you there's only one rightful, absolute, undisputed way to play this Concerto? That's nonsense! And be careful about hates and grudges: those feelings are not good in any way whatsoever, and that's not even my opinion: it's just a plain fact. Long live Sibelius!!!
dcb01ene2000 2 years ago 3
It's a great performance, but for some reason the video keeps pausing every 10 to 15 seconds.
cwldoc 2 years ago
i really like his dynamics
catnip4life55 2 years ago
Vengerov is the only person I have seen or heard who plays the beginning section entirely on the G String which gives his tone an incredible muted touch on the high notes. If you ever actually purchase this recording which is included in Vengerov's box set and listen to the normalized sound you can hear just how amazing he actually plays this movement, but this video does little justice.
fazetti 2 years ago
WHAT!!!!! mediocre effort!!! wtf...c´mon people what are you saying!!?? these are just brilliant musicians trying to please and entertain you and the way you repay them is by calling them mediocre?!?!?...losers...
Jedum 2 years ago 20
@Jedum Well said. Plus, Maxim Vengerov is playing Stratovarius' Ex-Kreutzer and mediocre does not play get lent a Stratovarius....
Jackthemak 1 year ago
I also have your mentioned version, and it isnt the best in my mind, listen to oistrakh and rosdedensky, ferras plays a little bit out of tune some doubble spots, and so on if you like so much ferras you should have mention the ferras karajan berlin version, so please shut up, and let reasonable people listen thihs two great musicians
bastianloewe 2 years ago
why not normalize the sound before posting?
it's awfully quiet!!
assa123assa123 2 years ago
Maxim Vengerov is a true musical prodigy.
aleny2k 2 years ago
If people took the time to listen to Christian Ferras version under the conductor Zubin Mehta (here on youtube).
Then many would dismiss Vengerovs mediocre effort.
Barenboim (conductor) has no clue on this one, where as Mehta shows how it´s done!
maxhansendk 2 years ago 2
when are you guys to understand there isnt the right version ore the refference one?? there are thoousands ways to play music and everyone of them are valid yu cn like more ferras one but you cant say vengerov is mediocre I mean I know thousands of violinst who would love to play like him
I think your cmments are getting desrespectfouls and you cant do that again you might not like this one but is a genius version ayway
bastianloewe 2 years ago
so, but this isnt a mediocral effert, is actually a marvelous one, but ferras I am agree is fantastyc, so not because of that youc can say vengerov is mediocral, very few violinst can play like this, and the orchestra is simple fantastyc dude, you just cant talk like this is a respect falt for two great musicians
Only when you could play ore conduct only the half well this guys are doing you can talk how you are doing not before
bastianloewe 2 years ago
real argues not this o by the way I am a violinist and have read way a lot about sibelius music I have the score the original to, and guess what the reason why it is corrected is cause he liked better the second one and also, I just love this version
bastianloewe 2 years ago
comments with no sense
what the hell does it mean:An israelian conductor (Barenboim) and a russian violin player (Vengerov) does a really poor job and is almost destroying this piece just to make their own version.
It ´s sad., I mean dont you think thats a little bit rascist from you??
I mean the origins nothing have to do with what you do, claudio arrau was chilean and there are some really great assians performers nagano for example donst do those comments say just your opinions but wit
bastianloewe 2 years ago
hey this is a continuation to maxhandsenk!!
third you cant compare you to sibelius and in anycase are you availabable to say that you understand music from sibelius better than one of the greatest music genius of our time Baremboim!!, maybe you could say something about vengerov, but about beremboim mm I dont think so and hey guess what ?? your comments doesnt make anysense talk about real spots so we can discous, you know?? I just think you are a fascist discriminaiting this version just becaus
bastianloewe 2 years ago
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Wow! I just came here after listening to Christian Ferras.....what a serious shock! Ferras is the REAL THING! Vengerov is a clown by comparison in every way. He over dramatizes every note in an effort to actually make something happen musically, and falls limp and dead, where Ferras needs no such pretending because he is a real Artist. Ferras infinitely more artistic. Ferras is Fearless! Vengerov is shameless....
semisavage 2 years ago
Good judgement semisavage!
You are in excellent company too! Most violin-expersts think Ferras version of Sibelius violin concerto is the best there is!
If people took the time to listen to Christian Ferras version under the conductor Zubin Mehta here on youtube - Many would dismiss Vengerovs mediocre effort.
maxhansendk 2 years ago 3
are you pro-critical for a classical music magazine ? Everyone knows that Ferras is the greatest sibelius concerto player but you can't say "mediocre".. Vengerov is one of the best player and his performance is amazing, he have his style, respect this or send your cv carreer or your grades to qualify Vengerov's performance as mediocre !!
MrCoucou39 2 years ago 2
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Now I have once more compared much praised Vengerovs version of Sibelius to 14-year old Hilary Hahns.
Vengerov is technically absolut master! But on this level that doesn´t give much credit...His playing is cold, soft and technical...Actually very bad. He does not convey what this masterpiece is all about - Nordic soul!
Hilary Hahn is a true genius on this piece!! Even at the tender age of 14 she gives a mature and intense version of Sibelius violin concerto! Absolutely wonderful version!
maxhansendk 2 years ago
I am a Scandinavian myself, just like Jean Sibelius.
This violinconcert does not show the things Sibelius intended to display with this violin-masterpiece.
It is simply to tame! It does not reflect on nordic soul at all!!
I am sure Sibelius would turn in his grave if he knew people actually liked Vengerovs version...
An israelian conductor (Barenboim) and a russian violin player (Vengerov) does a really poor job and is almost destroying this piece just to make their own version.
It ´s sad.
maxhansendk 2 years ago
hey dude,
ok just say I dont like it, and aybody would attack you but you did make serious mistakes.
Ok first that all Sibelius was a symbol and still being from Finland., second if Finland is in the scandinavian zone of europe ore what ever, that doesnt mean that they have the same culture is almost as affensive as saying japanese is the same than chinese. Grieg was noregean also scandivian I guess,, but his music has nothing to do with sibelius they are completely diferent cultures with
bastianloewe 2 years ago
Vengerov has the amazing capability to deliver the max dynamic range of violin (very hard on i.e. high G & E string/any near-bridge) with great colors & depths (important especially when playing with an orchestra) Therefore, 1. his interpretation has greater contrast & therefore, better effect of mood changes. 2. He also has great techniques. These two elements are what I'm looking for when I listen to a violinist. He clearly gives me both well. I think even Heifetz would respect him a lot!
cello0522 2 years ago
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I have listened a lot on violin music redviolinstuk!
Not on youtube, but on my stereo..
I have both Vengerovs Sibelius and Hilary Hahns Sibelius on cd, Hilary wins every time I compare them.
I have also many recordings by Yehuda Menuhin, David Oistrakh, Leonid Kogan, Jasha Heifetz, Itzakh Perlman,Henryk Szeryng and Christian Ferras among others...
So Mr "redviolinstuk" I actually think I know what I am talking about. I happen to love the violin as an instrument.
maxhansendk 2 years ago
first of all when did i ever deny your love of the violin.. i merely doubt the credibility of your statement when you can write off the musical seriousness of an accepted genius so easily, with so obviously personal and unsourced evidence.. if you would take the time to read your comment again you will see that you need to take the care to present your opinions as opinions and not as facts! my dear friend, not even the most respected music critics in the world would dream of doing this...
redviolinistuk 2 years ago
also in future if your replies are directed at me, could you please reply to MY comment instead of making a general one so that i am notifed!! or would i be right in thinking you are trying to avoid confrotation because you know you are in the wrong but are too proud to admit it..?? please grow up..
redviolinistuk 2 years ago
I am a Scandinavian. I have studied Sibelius music.
Vengerov (and Barenboim) are abusing this wonderful violin concerto! I know,because this was not the first version played. First version is more complicated and difficult to master.
Vengerov is slowing it down...Playing too softly, and also still makes monkey faces - Ridicuolus faces! He didn´t do that when he was young so it is a learned behaviour.
VENGEROV IS MOST OVERRATED VIOLIN PLAYER IN MODERN TIMES!
maxhansendk 2 years ago
maybe his facial expressions grew with his understanding and love of music.. did you ever think of that??
redviolinistuk 2 years ago
Lighten up! If you don't like it go wank away to your first version.
iGotSpaceLikeNASA 2 years ago
Oh! Bad language. No need for that. Discuss nicely please!
mpc999STEP 2 years ago
...I feel like this movement is meant to be played in a "tame" way. It's not really that intense in the first place, unless you make it so.
zauntel 2 years ago
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Listen to Oistrakh and Christian Ferras! Even a 14-year old Hilary Hahn does this piece better!
Vengerov is better on Schostakovich pieces. And One must absolutely not see him play live!
His monkey-faces are ridiculous! When he was young he did not display these ugly faces-So it must be a learnt and consious effort from his side...
maxhansendk 2 years ago
who could take you seriously when you base your opinions solely on youtube recordings..?!? fair enough everyone is entitled to their own opinions but who are you to make such strong accusations..? vengerov is a supreme artist nobody can deny that, when you can play like him then maybe you could get away with such audacity.. but until that day, keep your ignorant thoughts to yourself please!!
redviolinistuk 2 years ago 4
Give it a break. Stop attacking someone for their opinion. If you disagree maybe you could argue THAT and back it up a little yourself.
simnos1 2 years ago 2
the thing is, it wasn't an opinion, it was an attack.. i find opinions interesting but some of your comments were irrelevent and just plain offensive! sometimes it is better not to share all your thoughts as sure nobody found your comment helpful and if not to help people what good is there in sharing opinion?!... ask yourself that.
redviolinistuk 2 years ago
of course this is directed at maxhansendk...
redviolinistuk 2 years ago
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For me this version by Vengerov is tame and simply lacks intensity!
I prefer some other violin players (on this wonderful music by Sibelius)
A matter of taste!? Probably.
But especially Christian Ferras plays this like there was no tomorrow! He has the "diabolic element" in his playing of Sibelius violinconcerto. Vengerov has not...
especially Christian Ferras plays this piece like there was no tomorrow
maxhansendk 2 years ago
Your comment is absolute rubbish. Hilary Hahn isn't in the same league as Maxim Vengerov (in terms of Sibelius). Vengerov is so, so original, and his tone is just UNBEATABLE. Christian Ferras isn't a musician, just a mushy, emotional idiot who doesn't know when to stop crying!
Bushy162 2 years ago
Dear Max,
Why instead? Why not listen to either?I enjoyed Christian Ferras' rendition immensely but prefer that of Vengerov. Ferras is "your" musician, Vengerov is "mine". Tastes differ, don't they? But to say he is mediocre is to deny the undeniable fact. Be fair!
da19lila38 2 years ago 2
Perfect, mature performance! And Daniel Barenboim's conducting is so delicate.
The recording is very good,too.
da19lila38 2 years ago
This is a very tame performance for me. Not bad, absolutely not! But mediocre...
Listen instead to Christian Ferras version of Sibelius!
Also Oistrakh is much better!
Sorry Vengerov but you sound very casual and mediocre here.
maxhansendk 2 years ago
mediocre ajajajajajajaajaa sorry but you aren¨t concious what are you saying this is the best performance of sibelius violin concerto vengerov is a great musician very passioned and mature you should have respect for him
Fafikaviolin 2 years ago
La musique de Sibélius est très nostalgique.
Cet adagio est superbement interprété.
Merci
jackylen57 2 years ago
great song...
crossbones911 3 years ago
i didnt know it was a song, i didnt see anyone singing...?
a1rb0rne101 2 years ago
sublime octaves!!!!
redviolinistuk 3 years ago
Wow. His sound is gorgeous and what musicality!
DHsu87 3 years ago
Wonderfully done.
That slide really took me, head over heals.
:D
BFL0W 3 years ago
amazing...
callitsa 3 years ago
Wonderfull sound!!! nothing to say!!!
arsenstepanyan 3 years ago
Beautiful piece and it is played exquisitely. It's a shame that some people find Mxim's facial tics so distracting. I should say I find the distracting as well, so I just listen instead of watching.
freeyourcrt 3 years ago 2
I just listen, too :)
thekidwhocameback 3 years ago
I don't find it distracting at all. It actually helps me understand his interpretation even better. When you are at his level of concentration, flying away with the music you are playing, you lose control over your own body and it goes with the music. If you or him try to hold it back it will certainly affect the quality of the performance.
nardvk 3 years ago 3
You're probably right. Good thing he isn't a drooler.
freeyourcrt 3 years ago
the reason i don't find his movements distracting is because it is so natural and not forced in the least. there is nothing artificial about his playing or moving, and that is why i find his performing so incredibly amazing and powerful.
runxcwithme 3 years ago 2
He plays so beautifully this Heifetz slide on 8:47 :0
bitchass888 3 years ago 4
Although I find this one a very good performance of the Sibelius concerto, I just can't take out of my mind Oistrakh's rendition.
bertgh 3 years ago 2
eccezzionale.maxim,sei un grande violinista e sai rendere quello che suoni ancora piu' affascinante,grazie al tuo carisma.
nardones73 3 years ago
I'm not sure the orchestra here--Chicago-- is the best choice.
Karamazov5 3 years ago
hm,hm,i take my words back.Ferras performance is better.i´m sorry.
vint22 3 years ago 3
i don´t understand,why somebody speaks about Ferras?hm...how do you think,who is better,Elman or Kulenkampf?it´s ridiculous.there is no The One,the best.there is only music.or not:)))
vint22 3 years ago
what a bowing!one line from first note untill the end.great,really.just may be to low recording level.don´t know, sounds here,like not normalised.tnk very much!
vint22 3 years ago
i admire his passion and sincerity which he brings to his music. would that he move and tense up less, however...
mamekun84 3 years ago
very vengerov, you hate him sometimes, sometimes not...
i like it though
eerikkournikov 3 years ago
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A bit too slow and exaggerated for my tastes... Ferras's performance transmits so much more emotion.
govibe 4 years ago
Ey whats wrong wth you guys. It is his opinion and mine too why da hell does he get negatives?
MarlowStardust 4 years ago 2
I also prefer Ferras' performance.
acrotomophilic 3 years ago
Nice contrast between the second and third part. I really enjoyed that version even though I doesn't usually like Vengerov's style so much. But this was one of the best interpretations of this part that I've ever heared. Unfortunately I can't say the same as listening to the finale...
memurmelit 4 years ago
Please, listen to Kavakos, Ferras or Oistrakh and then you'll know what is this concert about...
KoganSvetlanov 4 years ago 3
they move a lot because
when you read music
you have to look beyond the page
and feel the piece
it's called the "red"of the music
ji9ji9 4 years ago
Beautiful interpretation of this mvt. People often describe this cocerto as icy but I've always found it fiery and passionate especially this mvt. Great playing!
MoesTube1 4 years ago
Listen to Ferras's recording. You will not be able to listen to shit like this after that experience.
govibe 4 years ago
Looks like someone in here knows what they're talking about
AbsoluteZ3R0 4 years ago
Are you joking? Regardless of your obvious poor taste, it'd be hard to realistically describe anything of this level of playing as "shit," and not just saying "I don't like this interpretation."
Act like a decent human being maybe?
johnc92 4 years ago
the only person that has poor taste is you. Please take Maxim's cock out of your mouth.
govibe 4 years ago
I really can not understand why the fuck people love so much to this guy, he's a good violin player, a nice person but we can find much more interesting musicians nowadays in my opinion, and Ferras did an astonishing performance of this concerto...I was lucky enough to see his strad " Kochansky " and my legs were shaking knowing that that violin have played such incredible concerto.
KoganSvetlanov 4 years ago
He's a GREAT violin player. Ferras is a great player as well. Maxim just always plays things the way I would interpret them.
Legs were shaking? Lameeeeee.
johnc92 4 years ago
I will be enough elegant to don't answer that comment. Enjoy your Sibelius.
KoganSvetlanov 4 years ago 2
I'm done with you. What are you, like 12?
johnc92 4 years ago
damn baby
MarlowStardust 4 years ago
I believe he makes the music come to life when he uses movement of the entire body.
I love this piece, it's very nice and slow and relaxes you. After having fatigue for a week, this piece made me finally fall asleep.
cfeAncient 4 years ago
very nice music clip but a little low the volumen
ximenovaldes 4 years ago 2
As usual Maxim Vengerov is wonderful. Really thank´s for the clip
tiradojj 4 years ago
stupid get out of you tube, insane.
tiradojj 4 years ago
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LoooooooooooooooooooooL
bitchass888 4 years ago
if anybody dare say maxim does not play with soul.. think again
gnatural 4 years ago
perfect. just perfect.
amalia17violin 4 years ago
one of the most touching and intimate readings ive ever come across of the sibelius adagio from the concerto. Exquisite soft playing - so often overlooked today. Maxim always gives something special to his listeners - thats why he is a star!
pianoboyo 4 years ago 2
so beautiful...maxim is the best
guilobcast 4 years ago
I`m not one of the Maxim`s music lover nor hater,but this performance of Sibelius is just...The One.Very deep expression and amazing misical idea
robosimphonie 4 years ago
I'm pretty sure if any of the Maxim haters could make music anywhere near as beautiful as this, they'd be making faces while they played too.
johnc92 4 years ago
nope... heifetz plays this piece much more beautifully than vengerov and he doesn't make gay faces
govibe 4 years ago
If you played the violin i dont think you'll be standing on stage like a statute, looking like a plain old idiot, with a blank face. Just listen to the music.
soldatik21 4 years ago 2
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I think Vengerov could be a much better violinist if he focused more on music making than movement making. A lot of times his movements cause him to screw up technically. If he moved more naturally, and let everything flow naturally, he'd be amazing
AbsoluteZ3R0 4 years ago
lol..... you oviously have never really been into music deeply to the point where, you kno how to play it so nicely ur body moves by itself, when u can just move ur body freely, is because you have mastered the piece
LINKdrkguy 4 years ago
You obviously can't read. I said that movements are good when they come naturally, but Maxim vengerov's seemed forced and exaggerated. According to you, being able to move a lot means that you have mastered the piece, if this is so, then why does Vengerov make so many errors? His movements aren't completely natural. If you really want to see some fluid and heartfelt movement then watch videos of David Oistrakh.
AbsoluteZ3R0 4 years ago
lol ill only say....... meh whatever i wont argue :S fighting over the internet is like the special people olimpics, even if you win, ure still retarded
LINKdrkguy 4 years ago
You mean, if you want to see some dead, cold, and lifeless Russian early 20th century violin playing, go listen to Oistrakh.
How would you even presume to know that Maxim is "forcing" things and that it isn't natural? Do you personally know him? Thought so.
johnc92 4 years ago
What the hell? DId you just say that Oistrakh is lifeless, dead, and cold? Omg, I can't believe what I just read. How could any one say that? Have you ever listened to him? You must be fucking insane, there's no other explanation. No half assed musician would ever say that Oistrakh's playing is cold and lifeless, you must be out of your mind.
AbsoluteZ3R0 4 years ago
Quite frankly, you sir, are too opinionated and need to enjoy the music.
This isn't a place for underpaid movie critics.
vaust 4 years ago
hear hear!! and how many mistakes did you hear anyway?? I think his playing is expressive and straight from the heart. Obviously he isn't going 'urgh next note, next note, next note, i... must... be... a... playing machine...' He's one of the most natural musicians i've ever seen. I put him right up there with Heifetz :D
chevrierplayer 4 years ago 2
You don't know a shit about Russian early 20th century violin playing. Because if you would , you would know that Vengerov's Professor was one of Oistrakh's assistant in Moscow conservatoire, Zakhar Bron.
KoganSvetlanov 4 years ago
I actually DO know that (don't question my knowledge of the violin, or Maxim), but do not see how that makes Oistrakh any less lifeless, or Maxim any less amazing. So way to make...no point at all!
johnc92 4 years ago
You have to be retarded to write comments like that. Absolutely fucking mongol. Go to wank yourself with Vanessa Mae and Andre Rieu.
KoganSvetlanov 4 years ago
Not retarded, I just know how to form an argument. It usually takes a point.
And I hate Vanessa Mae and Andre Rieu much more than Oistrakh. Trust me, you don't know my taste.
Way to make yourself look bad by acting like a baby about my comment though.
johnc92 4 years ago
You don't know how to form an argument if you don't know a shit about the issue to discuss. Your taste is awful, and you are insulting to music saying that about Oistrakh.
KoganSvetlanov 4 years ago
How did you jump to the conclusion I don't know anything about the "issue" we're discussing? Because I don't agree with you? Please, grow up.
Once again, you don't KNOW my taste, or who else I admire, so how can it be awful?
I'm insulting music by not liking a russian violinist? Oh, darn. I'll have to go call my parents and tell them they did a lousy job of raising me. (Sarcasm)
johnc92 4 years ago
Yes, that would be a great idea, probably they have been paying to the wrong violin professor. We're done. Enjoy your Sibelius.
KoganSvetlanov 4 years ago 5
Please learn how to speak english. I don't play violin, I play 'cello.
johnc92 4 years ago
Ok. Congratulations.
KoganSvetlanov 4 years ago 2
And yes , you're right , my written english is not very good , but with neandertals like you I don't need to use Bukowski's vocabulary. If you don't like my grammar fuck you off my friend.
KoganSvetlanov 4 years ago
Yes you are right with your opinion about sbelius by ferras and by vengerov...
Also vengerove has a strad and no sound comes out.
MarlowStardust 4 years ago
Barenboim is just a true master here. wow...so good
gnatural 4 years ago
I love Maxim
TheTrumpetologist 4 years ago
What a great piece of music!
I do hope that claims like
"This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by HOGAN & HARTSON RAUE LLP"
will not kill this piece as well.
Those bastards killed the beautiful Vengerov piece of Ravel's Tsigane here on YouTube!
canalegrande 4 years ago
it is restrained passion, thats why there is soo much emotion behind what he is doing. and violinist should be able to see this.
gnatural 4 years ago
i have an even greater respect for maxim after hearing this...amazing.
gnatural 4 years ago
i Agree with you the face is really should'nt be at that place but hey great playing
stan327 4 years ago
that's a pretty music!!!
I love Sibelius
florenceviolon 4 years ago
i recently heard sergey khachatryan perform this with ny phil with kurt masur conducting - he played beautiflly, but he was often drowned out by the orchestra - here, barenboim brilliantly balances the orchestral forces against the violin - notice how in the final forte how he holds back the orchestra while the violin soars above the orchestra - in ny, khachatryan was all but drowned out at this crucial moment - bravo on all acounts on this performance!
muslit 4 years ago
He's fantastic musician!
And when people say something bad about his playing they'r just bursting with envy!
ZosimaStarec 5 years ago
i would gladly scrunch my face or pop my eyeball if i could play like that
gurucow 5 years ago
I think this is brilliantly played by both orchestra and soloist. I would be making facing too if I were feeling this music. I recall Streisand, hip-hoppers, whatever making faces when they feel the music. The music is the important part and the rest is pretty much irrelevent.
flyingcutie 5 years ago
OK the faces are entirely out of order, but he plays brilliantly. Though why so softly? Shouldnt he be producing enough sound that I dont have to turn the volume up and down depending on if the orchestra?
FoggyRoad81 5 years ago
Its sibelius, he didnt want it all loud, thats why it is so good, It adds character to the piece
Korobushka 5 years ago
you have to see the music from another point of view. many violinists just give it, they pour their wrath out upon the secon mvt of sibelius, but this is unique, vengerov is showing restrained passion.
gnatural 4 years ago