#112 1st HHO test with I.C.E!

[ojedar1]

My question is: I wonder if you can get with a cell the gas HHO, but not with liquid watter,..... with gas of watter using and controling de humedity with a sonic humidifacor....?

[Blackrain4xmas]

So cool. I'd love to get some 1978 Chrysler Cordoba, fill the giant trunk w plates and batteries, have it run on straight HHO, then get it emissions tested. LOL!!!

[fxrocket]

If you are getting 4-6 LPM and you can get the mower engine timing set closer to TDC you may get it running sans gas..

I am still looking for a cheap electronic ignition that offers timing adjustment "on the fly" for experiments, moving sheer keys is just to time consuming.

[FreeYerMindz]

When the time is right and your ready to hook up pure HHO Might i suggest to take the carburetor apart take the float bowl/fuel jets out and hook a hose up to where the fuel jets where. You will get better power. If you need help with it (and i doubt you do) i will help you step by step.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

I think I want to keep the carb intact just in case I want to use this engine for something else.

[FreeYerMindz]

depending on the internals of the carb you can keep the old petrol parts and put them back in as desired. Ive been trying to make a few "how to " videos for converting gasoline engines to propane and it didnt turn out too good. These lawn mower carbs are a pretty simple design

[boxa888]

just imagine if you use a tesla tubine engine with his specialized combustion valves, you will really have something running on the water with higher efficientcy.

[fantacmet]

I did a couple of prelim tests and got some bubbles. Next up working right now on assembling it in a container to try it out on my car. I'll probably have to mess with the O2 sensor, but oh well. If you are interested I have the PDF for the Meyer designs. Includes the schematics for his PWM.

[ngnnick1967]

Darkdragon, you sir are clueless.

[TopOfTheLine3]

2 litters per minute isnt enough to run that small motor?

[DarkDragon1961]

You have no clue what you are dealing with, The pistons and ecery inner part associated with the gas on this motor will have its life span shorted by 80% with what you are doing. I suggest you stop what you are doing. And do not quit your day job.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

I suggest you shut your pie hole and prepare to be astounded.

[Me102288]

@ZeroFossilFuel I love how people don't believe an explosive gas cant run a combustion engine lol DUH ppl combustion engines run on methane, gasoline, alcohol, diesel, Propane, natural gas...etc #1 thing, retard the timing 3 degrees, and let the engine suck the hho in.

keep at it dude, we'll be fossil fueless in another year or so.

[iceman6052]

I used an air bleed to draw air into the bottom of my cell plates via vacum from the egr input. This cools the cell and increases the output. The output is all compustable. The air bonds with supersaturated hydrogen in the generator increasing the output and cooling the cell. In my trials the ouput is more volital with the air injection. Any comments? Appreciate your work.

[Leftwings22]

Very welcome brother.

[cribcat1]

you - tube is as fine as 1 grit sandpaper

[mrboutwell]

Has anyone ever tried dry ice

[mystiktrueno]

Dry ice is composed of CO2, carbon dioxide, and that would not combust.

[power2theq]

Did you modify the ignition timing for the hho mixture?

[minde4000]

So lets make something clear please:

If you have HHO system is it a must to have your ignition at or past TDC to make it efficient and prevent instantenious HHO ignition to counterwork? Does HHO gas burn out faster followed by the rest of the mix (regular gas) or it all burns as a same mix for the same amount of time? Or this applies only after reaching and above certain HHO/gas ratio? Will ECM automatically retard it by sensing "knock" sensor or it must be done manualy? Tnx

[kelbor83]

All,

This youtube post addresses engine timing while using Hydrogen. This is #7 of a greatly eduational series posted a year ago.

KB

[kelbor83]

/watch?v=ofsxZfu9rW0&feature=r­elated

[ZeroFossilFuel]

One thing to bear in mind when watching this video is he uses pure compressed hydrogen. It mixes with oxygen at the point of injection. Therefore, waste spark at the top of the exhaust stroke and beginning of intake is less likely to cause backfire while running than when injecting premixed HHO.

Especially true when retarding the timing. The intake valve must still be fully closed when that waste spark goes off or it WILL backfire. Else the waste spark must be eliminated.

[johnmcphail1999]

One thing you never mentioned that I was wondering, after you started to apply the hho to the engine did you notice a big diffrence in emmisions? I would think that you could notice the diffrence but maybe not. Thanks and happy testing man.

[joshsbrain]

Zero, thanks for all the hard work. I have learned alot from watching your videos. I even built my own system, I posted mine as a video response to this. :)

[placidbeach]

I assume the energy needed to create 5.4mmw is more than is produced by burning the 5.4 right? This only saves money by modulating IC engines correct? Thanks for your work.

[itskaikai]

American innovation @ its best. You are a modern day Edison. God bless you & your family.

[glaxgamer]

can i use propane engine for running it on HHO?

[tangoinasia]

Guys, I made HHO With a welder that works from ~220v, bottled it in with pump and run my scooter for 20 MINUTES. Guess what happened??? ]

I need a new engine now :(

I think producing the HHO is only the tip of the iceberg.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

To run on 100% hydrogen requires that you move the timing to TDC, even 10* ATDC. I presume you did not. Also, most scooters use 2 stroke engines. The only place they get their lubrication from is the oil mixed with the liquid gasoline.

No oil = no lubrication = seized motor.

[minde4000]

Yap zero is right again. Scooters do have 2 stroke engines and of course you DID run it without lubrication. Must run some 70-80% HHO and rest with oil rich gas. Great lesson for everyone - sorry you had to lear it the hard way :)

[centraflow]

The zero point energy is contained in the vacuum of the H molicule, once you can break into this vacuum you will release the zero point energy and will increase the energy value of hygrogen by a factor of 9. Now you have all the energy you need. This is not breaking atoms, it is simpler than you think.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

And of course you've done it and can demonstrate it to us. Right?

[slider1860]

Explain this a little deeper!

[centraflow]

Reply sent by E-mail

[kcar11705]

The reason it won't run strictly on HHO is the timing should be TDC as opposed to BTDC for gas since HHO burns about 2 1/2 hotter and faster than gas. need to come up with a way to shift timing from BTDC to TDC then I believe it would run just fine on HHO. Hope this helps. Keep up the good work...

[ZeroFossilFuel]

It's very easy. Just remove the flywheel to crankshaft alignment key and sock it down where ever you want it. The output shaft is tapered and holds its position very well without the key. I just need to put my timing light on it and mark out the actual angles in degrees from TDC.

[kcar11705]

Sorry I see I didn't read earlier posting spelling out what I said :o( I also know you are a lot smarter than me in this field, that is why I like to learn as much as I can from you :o) Best of luck in your future experiments.

[slider1860]

One could try to recirculate the exhaust back to the intake.

[larrylawrencejr]

awsome!!!! Thanks for that video! Real world alternative energy! Awsome! 5 stars! Added to favorites and subscribed. Larrylawrencejr

[livehazelgreentraffi]

what happened to your latest video Zero ????? Did they Shut it down ????

[ZeroFossilFuel]

I took it down. Someone FINALLY kicked their "Highly trained monkeys" (Their words, not mine) in the ass and they got working on the problem. It's almost completely fixed. I'll give then the benefit of the doubt, for now, that they will complete their task.

[harpersteven]

have you tried it in a car?

[phillipstanley]

QSI has demonstrated that by using its nano nickel and iron particles it is possible to exceed the Department of Energy's target with 85% energy efficiency by increasing the surface area of the active components of the electrolyzer, without any CO2. This degree of efficiency makes hydrogen generation commercially viable for replacing fossil fuel-based methods, especially as the cost of fuel increases. check out eetimesdotcom Nanoelectrodes boost electrolysis to cut hydrogen fuel cost

[Nemesis2oil]

I got my dads 18 or 20 hp (can't remember which) riding lawn mower running off of hydrogen with no gasoline at all. use the one that I made for my torch and it worked quit well. I didn't think that it would run for to long but it kept up at idle and on and full throtle. I'm making him a cell in place of his gas tank. I learned a lot from you and thanks! don't stop posting new stuff...Nem

[ZenArrow]

Sounds to me that the mixture ended up running too lean at the end.

Gasoline + HHO is rich, with std carbie by comparison.

Try more choke to test it.

And if you gona run on HHO only,

might need to screw in air screw to block all air at idle (if it has 1).

Also might need to constrict the air filter to make it richer permanently, since HHO has it's own oxygen.

Would it be ironic if we needed to add nitrogen? lol.

Maybe an electrolyte additive which produces Nitrogen as an experiment?

Edit on PC?

[BurningSerpent]

Good work! But whithout the engine lubrication (oil/gasoline) the engine will take a real beating and live a short life. Be sure it will die eventually. Do you have any thaughts on how to sustain lubrication and run (ner) 100% hydrogen? Cheers

[kelbor83]

Burning Serpent -

It appears that the lawnmower that is being used by Zero in the video, has it's own self contained lubrication - and doesn't require the oil/gasoline mixture as small engines of old did.

[mvpaltfuel]

I've read that others recommend using a synthetic oil like Mobil 1 in the crankcase to help w/ engine longevity.

[BurningSerpent]

But you still need some way to lubricate the cylinder wall. In a classic piston engine the fuel mixture in it self will take care that. In a rotary engine oil is injected directly into the combuston chamber prior to ignition. You can't supply a classic piston engine with hydrogen only, you will probably have to change pistonrings twice a day along with repairs to the cylinder walls :(

[BurningSerpent]

I would like to point our that my thinking error regarding lubrication of the cylinder walls. Ofc you will get it "greased" up with the oil in the crankcase... the fuel has nothing to do with it really...

[FluxCapacitor2008]

If you can maybe increse your mielage by %10 %20 or more and burn cleaner with a home made HHO cell, why not try. Someone has to try it to prove it wrong or prove it right. If someone thinks it will not work without the testing to prove it right or wrong then that's just a guess.

[harryman11]

Electric motors are a more parctical and efficient replacement for the internal combustion engine because there are few inefficencys power to battery, battery to motor and you can recapture kentic energy when barking and its all current available and affordable for all lithium ion batterys it would cost 20k (to conver an exsisting car)to make an elcetric car 25k [if you build it with a kit car (a whole car)]with a better range than a hydogen fuel cell car that cost 1milion.

[harryman11]

Hydrogen is a waste of time because it is very inefficent becasue first you need to make hydrogen,electolosis not efficient as battery charger then either through combustion or a fuel cell both which are very ineffecient (compared to an electric motor) then they still have to power an elctric motor.

[FluxCapacitor2008]

Jet Propulsion Lab, California Institute of

Technology produced a report for the Society of Automotive Engineers entitled "On-

Board Hydrogen Generator for a Partial Hydrogen Injection Internal Combustion

Engine". "A small amount of hydrogen added to the air intake

of a gasoline engine would enhance the flame velocity and thus permit the engine to

operate with leaner air to gasoline mixture than otherwise possible. The result, far less

pollution with more power and better mileage."

[kelbor83]

Hello FluxCapacitor - Do you have the link for this report from JPL? Any info would be greatly appreciated. KB

[FluxCapacitor2008]

Hi Zero Great work with HHO

I had a brain fart as I was watching the fan car video LOL.

What if I had a cylinder type wind generator mounted behind the front grill driving a generator or alternator.

This will power the cell and charge a cell battery as a stand alone system as a way to remove the load on the cars motor as this type of load will reduce mileage.

I don't know what this will do to the aerodynamic of the car.

What do you think?

[harryman11]

that would be a waste of time the car has to push the turbine through the air to make it move therefore making more drag and the overall inefficentcys of the system would make the car more inefficent the when you started

[centraflow]

Solving the problems is like this:-

you feed part of the exhaust from the engine back through the cell (tube cells like Meyer)other cells would be more difficult, it enters at the bottom of the tubes via a tube which has an electro magnetic field to charge the exhaust gas (water vapour). This has a three fold effect 1. the charge water vapour breaks down more easly 2. the flow pushes the gas bubbles 3. the resulting gas is diluted and so you have a less volatile gas. Now run your engine.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Day 4 and I STILL CANNOT EDIT ANY OF MY VIDEOS!

What the hell?

[kelbor83]

Zero said -

Day 4 and I STILL CANNOT EDIT ANY OF MY VIDEOS!

What the hell?

Kelbor said - Homeland Security at work here protecting us from ourselves. HAHAHA

The Dick Cheney taking care of his boys at Exxon Mobil...... and the beat goes on.....

[FluxCapacitor2008]

Believe me "Dick" Cheney is not thinking of any other ways to run your car other then oil and gas.

[slider1860]

I believe you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BasementBen]

It seems that 8-12 LPM should get that engine running 100% hydrogen at full throttle.

Great job, that was wonderful

Ben

[doctorlethal]

squimball, this could easily be adapted to power a car.

Consider for a minute that you take an electric engine (one which gives decent performance but has a lot of drain to it), and replace your car engine with it. Then you have your HHO electrolyzer system powered by one battery and invertor, and you have a modified HHO-powered generated and other systems connected to a secondary battery and invertor.

Now just run an alternator to both batteries and presto! A car, that runs on water.

[doctorlethal]

The downside of this would be a few minor alterations to the feel of the car. For example, dependant on the electrolyzer cell you wish to use, you may end up having to place a switch near the ignition that allows your electrolyzer setup to run for a moment prior to ignition (that way your generator has enough HHO for it's initial startup (a stage which uses a considerible bit of HHO).

[squimball]

OK, I kind of see where you are coming from, but I keep going back to the law about conservation of energy. The thing that says you cannot have something that creates more (or equal) energy than it uses (or something to that effect). I am all about disproving theories and laws, but I guess I need to see it to believe it. Have you seen any videos that disprove that theory? Wouldn't that totally show that Newton (or Einstein or whoever) was completely wrong? Of course, I could just be a moron!

[FluxCapacitor2008]

Yes Overunity is a hard nut to crack, but we can try to improve efficiency.

If I'm getting an amount of miles and I install a HHO cell and get B amount of miles then that is improved efficiency. At $4.50 a gallon it worth a try the gas company will not do the testing.

[ZenArrow]

lol, the gas company will lose out if they worked on this HHO as an additive. As ppl are already hooked on gas. And they don't want the ppl to find out that they can run totally on HHO, that would stop them making the huge cash they do now.

On the other hand, they have cronies everywhere, and they might we b part of the problem for this YouTube glitches.

If we going green, why they still drilling?

Why USA last to do anything about global warming? Is HAARP doing it? Wat they know we don't yet?

[ZenArrow]

I reckon electrical resonance is the key.

It gets power in ways which I do not believe is properly explained with std physics.

Mix resonance with some other factors, and it's kinda like a balance act of tuning, like radios, or even like a wheel stand. Do it right, and it seems an impossible. Do it too well, and it gets accepted as easy and becomes boring. lol. Such is life.

[squimball]

Call me an HHO noob, but I've noticed that these (and all) HHO cells require electrical input. How is this going to replace the gasoline engine? They would need to produce more (or equal) output than input to run an engine without an external power source. I know you could make a "hybrid" engine to run on a gasoline/HHO (for electricity), but how efficient would this be? Is there an HHO cell that produces enough gas to power itself without the need for a seperate power source?

[gotcharunen]

Zero, The engine will probably run on that quantity of HHO exclusively if you change the timing to TDC or slightly after. Gasoline burns very slowly and the ignition needs to be at about 15 deg advance or before TDC to get a complete burn. Your hydrogen/oxy mix explodes immediately so if the piston is not at or past TDC the detonation will cause the motor to STOP !

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Working on it. The keyed spindel is tapered. Don't even need the key to lock the flywheel down securely enough for quick tests. Will be experimenting mre this weekend.

[HydroMofo]

I clicked the ad for you, nice video. Thanks

[BikoHatna]

oops! I meant displacement... engine size... to calculate CFM etc. HP would be nice to though.

[BikoHatna]

Now....you got hose clamps on there right?

Just funnin'

Ok lets see it run the bowl dry and time it.

then do it again adding the hho.

also can you give the engine size so we can run a few numbers? looks 3.5 to me but some are guessing over five.

Thanks

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Pidos847 - While I agree with the principals of your comments, profanity and abusiveness will not be tolerated. You may repost more politely if you like. If you do it again you will be banned from further comments.

[smokyatgroups]

Zero you could set up a pond mister feeding mist T'd into the HHO line at a point near the cell. And redo this test on the lawnmower. Using mist and HHO combined if it runs maybe you can throttle back on HHO input?

I have done this in my van only 2 days ago no mpg results yet though.

[archaedemos]

if the fuel line is disconnected. how does the engine run to begin with, without the HHO that is to say.?? maybe i missed something, but i thought you said the fuel line is un-connected.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Residual gas in the float bowl of the carbeurator.

[archaedemos]

aha yes and i hear you say so after i watched again. thnx for responding, and btw Nice Web page very cool and informative.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

YOUTUBE IS REALLY STARTING TO PISS ME OFF AGAIN!!! IT'S BEEN 3 DAYS SINCE I'VE BEEN ABLE TO EDIT ANY OF MY VIDEOS WITHOUT GETTING THE WEB'S EQUIVALENT OF THE MS B.S.O.D.

500 Internal Server Error.

Is anyone else having this problem???

[slider1860]

I have had that with a few other forums, not youtube. I think it may be the MIB. LOL

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Don't laugh. It wouldn't surprise me,

[cemkarakurt]

hi zerofossilfuel i have turay the you tube in uk london no error i thing you local exchage server.

and what sort of gloue you using do you have any name or any comen name that you

[pixelcomet]

yeah :D

[sdmike2]

that is impressive. just finished my first cell. can't wait to try it in my car :)

[ryansleis]

I heard the engine i believe ur choking it thats a tremendouz amount of HHO!!! have u tried running it on pure HHO?

[colintheshit]

its been a longtime coming,too long .we need more r&d with alternative fuels yesterday,no thanks to the oil companys bying patents on so many useful inventions eg:98mpg v8 homemade carby.

[bennytan777]

Z, gotta see this, recent video by Daniel Dingel demonstrating his Reactor, i'm stumped, its doing over unity, once excited it'll on its own.

watch?v=n_WJfFzBe28&e

or danieldingel. com

I hope we can decipher this soon

[lutherp40]

I believe that part of the problem is that due to safety, you need to use that flame tip to control the HHO output into the ICE.

My thinking is that the flame tip is restricting the full output potential from the cell and not allowing the ICE to have as much HHO gas as it needs to run longer.

What about adding a 3rd bubbler with a very short 2 foot piece of hose to increase the amount of potential gas flow to the ICE? (i.e. eliminate the torch tip.)

Just a thought.

[denton3737]

Zero... one thing I would try is to try to find a way to direct inject it, by running a nozzle you're increasing the pressure in the cell, (from what I've seen, may be wrong) HHO works best in a vaccuum environment (I'm pretty sure you have a video on it)... so by increasing pressure in the cell, you may be dropping your production some... (probably something you thought about, you seem to leave no stone unturned.)

[moreoverunity]

Assuming TERO is correct that would mean on the LOW end (600lph) we would need a cell to produce 10 LPM just to IDLE the engine.

The key word here is IDLE.. Maybe Zero can prove this out by overdriving this cell and find out?

So most likely this is the amount most likely needed to IDLE an engine, (10-13.3 LPM)

Others have asked, and it makes you wonder the LPM it would take to RUN it at 1000 or 2000 RPM? Double and triple that amount at least.

20-100 LPM Is probably close

[SmartScarecrow]

The one place where Tero's information was incorrect is the air/hho mix. It can be as much as 5:1. With enhanced ignition, it can be more like 30:1. And there are some issues with 100% hho that need to be solved. Zero is aware of these and I am sure will implement solutions.

A typical 5ish HP lawn mower engine should be able to idle at somewhere between 4-6LPM. Should be able to get it to run strong (mechanical tinkering required) with 10-15 LPM.

[slider1860]

Stan Meyer full data. "water as Fuel" 50 hp ICE 111 ml/min gasoline consumption rate (on road test) @ 65 mph. Hydrogen gas has almost 3 times the amount of BTU's of gasoline. So based on this figure you should be able to get the same energy from 37 ml of hydrogen. Now this also does not take into consideration the burn rate and 100% conversion of energy that you get from Hydrogen.

[slider1860]

More: Remember that you can add an inert gas to the hydrogen to slow that down to the burn rate of octane, no timing issues. I think in doing that you are diluting the amount of hydrogen needed per cycle, therefore saving more Hydrogen. Another benefit is the engine now runs cooler adding even more savings. These figures are somewhat my own and may be wrong, check it out for yourself. One more thing the BTU figures are for straight Hydrogen not HHO which has a energy characteristic all its own.

[slider1860]

OK wait I think I am wrong here somewhere. The 3 times BTU is based on weight not volume gas conversion. I need to re-figure that now. Oh Jeeez.

[slider1860]

So basically water disassociate into HHO increases 1860 times so you would need +- 37 ml of water converted into HHO giving you 68 liters of HHO to run Stan's buggy at 65 mph for one minute. There! I think that is roughly right.

[moreoverunity]

Copy from TER0:

"To run a 6.5hp 200cc 4-stroke Honda on oxyhydrogen gas. 7 cell unit was used, running at about 40A producing approximately 200 LPH of gas. The gas was collected for 1-2 minutes which later ran the engine for some 20seconds. Approximately 600-800LPH of gas would have been needed to idle the engine continuously."

His guesstimate to IDLE engine.. is 600-800LPH which means we need approximately 13.33 LPM (high end)of HHO gas to IDLE this type of engine if Tero is correct.

[cousinles80]

I have seen offset keyways

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Was playing around with it more tonight. I didn't even need an offset key. The tapered shaft is snug enough to run without any key at all for some timing tests.

The key notch is precisely TDC on the crank. Barely runs at all on gasoline at TDC. 2.5LPM is still not enough HHO to make it run without gas.

One thing I can confirm through my tests is the gas can run extremely lean with HHO to the point that the engine will not run without the HHO present.

It reaffirms what we already knew.

[TimeOverMatter]

Very impressive, by just sound alone I would estimate you're doubling the RPM when adding the HHO, maybe even more. Are you thinking about trying to move the ignition timing to be more around 0 TDC? If that is a flywheel magneto type spark ignition system then that might be difficult unless you can broach another key-way slot in the flywheel.

Are you going 4 100% HHO on that ICE??

Damn impressive I got to say, absolutely undeniable results!!!

WTG Zero, gotta luv that empirical testing!!!

[Coogrrr]

If no one else has mentioned it, Zero. Just get a flathead screwdriver and once it starts to run out of gas keep the HHO on it and adjust the fule air mixture it might need to be less lean or more let us know what you see eh?

Oh and thx soooo much for your work!

[jakewayd]

I didn't say it's over unity, I'm saying petroleum used the free energy of the sun over millions of years of carbon based lifeforms and used the energy latent in moving material around on the earth's surface to form hydrocarbon bonds, so that's stored energy. HHO does not have this solar energy storage aspect, making it much less realistic.

[Coogrrr]

your right it is not over-unity but it is pre stored energy just like oil. The process is created when Hydrogen finds Oxygen and combines atomically to form a compound then we release but a small portion of it (large to us however) and it goes about its business. You do not use up oil you simply change the carbon to a different form and extract energy that was placed there this is the same.

[SonsOfFreedom]

Hell yeah, music to my ears.

[quazz1mott0]

Yes the HHO can fuel the ICE, but I have not seen any vehicle have a net gain in MPG without manipulating the MAP or O2 sesnor feed to the Car OBC. It seems your just leaning out the fuel mixture to gain MPG. Your netting zero from alternators loss to make HHO? I have not found a link where there is an older car without an OBC that had a net gain in MPG.

[riceman1230]

Could the engine run 100% HHO? It sounded like it died on you when you still had the HHO running to it. It was obvious how much the HHO increased the performance of the gasoline process - that's awesome. Boxa888 has a point - would water collect in the engine?

[advertiva]

When the oil still coming in to the chamber the HHO pump actually probably just push more oil into the chamber thus making engine run faster, try pumping just air and see if the same effect show up

[tpm4life]

you may want to put that setup on a go-kart for your next alt energy show

[jammin171717]

5-6 horsepower will need more than 2 liters per minute of output.....hope this makes sense anti....

[jammin171717]

How big was the motor on this lawnmower? It looks to be about 5-6 hp or so to me...this means 2 liters per minute would not be enough to sustain it running over a long period of time....if it were a 3.5 hp motor on say a cheapy mower, you probably would have had better luck.

[antimoron08]

5-6 is 2 liters per hour?

[bennytan777]

the previous post below is for chrisgo77

[4L60E]

Hooray for Zero! He is a jolly good fellow!

[chrisgo77]

I have just one question that iv been wondering...If HHO forms back to water vapor when it ignites, what kind of affect does this have on the engine internally?

[bennytan777]

Same effect as with petrol.

And do you know how much water does petrol composed of?

[boxa888]

think when a hydrocarbon burns it makes water and co2. so the engine should have some type of resistance toward the water.

[chrisgo77]

well yeah, and the engine is pretty much covered in oil inside. Word, just something i was curious about.

[boxa888]

yea i use to think the same thing too, i always thought it was going to ruin the engine, but it shouldnt do too much to it. yea true the oil too.

[FreeYerMindz]

the engine runs too hot for the HHO to form the water back into a liquid. It will stay either in a steam form or be pushed out of the exhaust.Just like with petrol

[bagrmanhd]

A lot of folks are wondering about the engines temp. Can you run the moter of petro for a minute and then HHO and measure the difference between the mexhaust manifold temps. Thanks.

[spark300c]

you should make a system where can store Enough the HHo gas so a can run 100% of the hydrogen. The HHo genrator can act as a compressor. You just need find a big engouh high perssure gas tank.

[4L60E]

Compressed hydrogen mixed with compressed oxygen? Are you sure about that?

[Lubobuba]

Hi people!

If we have a:

7Hp-5Kw gasoline generator that needs 15 l/pm HHO to produce those 5KW, then please tell me I am wrong, but with 4KW i will get those 15 liter per minute(for this I am sure) and I will have 1KW of free NRG. Then we have so much waste petroleum products like used engine oil etc, which can be used in the burning proces to create not free, but cheap NRG. In the end, all the NRG is free - converted sunlight, the question is who produces and sales the NRG.

[dshaun67]

What size of motor (in cc's) are you running the generator with, and at what RPM?

[MildlyIrateScientist]

Way to go EBN and Zero. Keep up the good work.

[jakewayd]

Ok, so you demonstrated that hydrogen is combustible...is this supposed to be amazing? Look, unless the energy released from combusting a hydrogen molecule and an oxygen molecule is greater than the energy required to split H2 from O, then you will never have a true source of energy to rival petroleum.

[EdwardSwolentoe]

Id like to see some actually facts concerning this, price to price ratio of hydrogen produced by mains power vs petroleum. Is the electricity price to create the energy equivalent of petrol greater than the price of petrol?

[kaveendra]

Good, EdwardSwolentoe, you may like to see anything you want, but the catch is you will have to do your own work on it. No body here will be feeding you with what you want. If I can make my car run 1 mile more with any gadget, I am going for it.

[SmartScarecrow]

hmmm, you're talking "over unity" .. are you suggesting that petroleum products are somehow "over unity" ??? last time I looked, it required a lot of energy to pump, refine and transport petroleum products ...

what we are doing here with this method is energy conversion ... we are converting electricity into a burnable gas ... electricity is good but sometimes a gas is better ... and yes, there is a loss in the conversion process ... right now our efficiency exceeds nuclear ... next issue .

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Heh, heh, heh. Good one.

[SmartScarecrow]

Actually, I was quite impressed. Looked like a pretty fine run considering the modest output volume setting. Set that unit up for 75vDC @ 20a and watch it crank 8 LPM. Then giver her a try.

My 32 plate 6 inch Tero did not produce enough to run a small engine at its flat out setting producing about 6LPM. But the new one I am assembling should do the job easily.

[tuieqlsss]

Cool stuff. Thanks for working on a better future for ALL people!

[UnityEnergy]

heres a video running an engine for 80 mins.

by SolgenLLC, watch?v=mnT1WYW1sMQ.

A 7.5KW generator running on water.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

I've seen it and I am watching this progress closely. Thanks.

[fletcho11]

for a motor to run on straight HHo you need to retard the timming to top dead center

[SmartScarecrow]

actually it will run ok without adjuting the timing or worrying about waste spark ... but you are correct that to get it to run "properly" requires some tinkering with timing and other things ...

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Which I will be doing.

[BikoHatna]

excellent Z!

[UnityEnergy]

I do wonder about a low pressure reservoir.

Something like a litre sized oil bottle, water bottle, with a blow out protector, just to build up enough storage for changes in RPM.

For what I saw in other's tests on HHO under vacuum it generates more, and so will self govern supply to demand so to speak.

The HHO reservoir, would allow for the lag of opening the throttle. This is also assuming that current is provided by the engine's alternator, with a speed variation/regulator allowing for more.

[SmartScarecrow]

I tried this ... used a balloon as a reservoir ... worked pretty good actually ... got me about a 5-6 second run on HHO only using a device that only put out about 2 LPM ... but I dont think it would be very durable ... and would make a big BANG on the first back fire ... and they do tend to back fire when running on HHO alone ...

[TheHermeticAlchemist]

this is a one cylinder engine? and 2 liters a minute can almost run it... I wonder what four liters a minute would do... so who are you now attached with? what company?

[SmartScarecrow]

6 LPM will idle it ... 10 LPM will run it at full RPM ...

[Careica]

Actualy, you can idle it on 5LPM, even on 4,5LPM. But I did hear, that it will give all horse powers when you feed 13LPM. Ofcorse, that mean that you make heavy load on that motor. When you clip grass it don't make big load on lawnmower at all :)

[lozory]

may have worked better if there was a sealed vacuum sucking in the HHO & not so much air through the air intake?

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Precisely the opposite.

[tekkenm2000]

where do you find info about building one of these types of cells ?

[TheHermeticAlchemist]

look at scare crow labs.

[rapttor94]

Nice Z...I'm suprised that the HHO feed didn't keep the engine running better than it did.

[lostintimeBC]

will u work on running it on just hho?

will look forward to the next installment

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Yep

[marsipial]

Did you block folks from D/L the videos? Seems that way.

AL

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Not deliberately. YT is making changes lately and not everything is working correctly the last couple of days.

[Psilo007]

keep up the good work.