There's no such thing as a free meal. Who will pay for the infrastructure? Plus the idea of giving free rides to people is a very socialist one. Let everyone pay their own fare, or get a car, LOL!!!
I honestly don't think the city builds light rail because people are nostalgic for it. Cities build light rail because the lifelong cost of it is cheaper than BRT for high use corridors. Skytran still needs a pilot so people know that this technology is feasible and is indeed as cheap as the designers claim it is. If skytran is indeed cheaper per passenger mile, the market will respond.
I for one am continually astonished at the display of ignorance, prejudice and hidden ideological agendas in almost every comment I read on YouTube videos. Why all the personal attacks on this guy? Why the love of the past that prevents you even considering the potential benefits of a new idea? This is nearly as good as a car, more efficient than current mass transport, safer, cheaper and no more ugly than regular street full of trucks, buses and cars.
It's curious that our God-given, in- and un- aLIENable rights (meaning, of course that no lien can be placed upon them) are denied because of the ever-vigilant, & often anonymous, complainer. "'Someone' complained about a man who matches your description..." etc. The "wellness check" allows the police to enter your house because a compassionate neighbor (who shall remain anonymous) expressed his concerns about the mental and/or physical well-being of you & yours. How touching.
Most cops are good except for the majority of them--the blood-thirsty maniacs. All that the good cops can do is to bear witness to the bad cops who routinely punch, kick, tase and pummel handcuffed citizens.
Don't tell the cops anything as they're hysterical and panic-stricken with nervous conniptions. It's the shame that humiliates the cheap-skates, pretentious clochards and men of dubious valor.
You pound the TSA being at the rail, then you Pound the Rail? You're a joke. Watch you block me from your videos because you're afraid of being wrong or stupid, or crazy.
They have free market here in Detroit. That means very limited mass transit and the majority of people drive cars.
You can't have free market and a "public" transportation option. The free market is too selfish to coordinate mass transit for the benefit of everyone.
Be happy you don't have the shitty mass transit in Michigan where they force you to have car insurance even when you get ZERO coverage out of it.
"Got rid of the steam, they're all high-tech..." Buddy, you're living so far in the past your watching Charlie Chapman for regular entertainment. The steam era ended in the late 1940's. Electricity is the norm for trains around the world. The USA is one of the last industrialized nations to begin electrifying networks and develop mass transit and high speed rail. From what I understand, most Pheonix residents enjoy the benifits of light rail.
@RP4409 Actually, the first electrified lines on the globe began showing up in the 1930's but most of the early electrification projects were abandoned because of the price of cheap oil at the given time period. Electricity, globally, is now the top source of power for trains. Particularly for high speed services as diesel-electric alternators are not powerful enough. With the rising prices of oil and the push to be more 'green,' many American companies are looking at...(continued)
@RP4409 electrification once more. Two of the most dedicated companies in electrification research are the Burlington Northern Santa Fe (BNSF) and Norfolk Southern Railways (NSC). What do you expect the light rail trains to run on? Smiles? Phoenix has a population of approx. 4.3 million people. It doesn't matter how many people you interview, you're not going to get an accurate opinion on your own. But independant polls have shown a very good approval rating.
@RP4409 YOUR MOM is 1800s technology. hahaha SHUT UP. And let people enjoy their stress free, delay free commute to work and go piss in the oil barrel you popped out of before hopping in your car and getting stuck on the freeway. You're so ignorant of light rail that you don't even deserve to be taken seriously.
hey Dodgedart boy, the rest of the world is onboard! New York City has fantastic public transit and would not exist in its present form without it. Vancouver has had an automated system for twenty years. and is one of the denses place in North America, saving our farmland from sprawl. Pheonix is a nightmare to get around in, it is almost impossible to plan anything because travel times don't exist, with traffic. Look at what other cities are doing. I still love Phoenix
I think the creater of this video has been smoking! I ride light rail and it doesn't do any harm to the city. I am all 100% for clean air. At least PRT is also electric and the stations have elevators to get the handicapped customers to and from the station platforms.
Overhead rails are f'n ugly. Look at what it has done to NYC and CHI. You would probably hate something like this even more if they were built by your house because of how ugly it would look.
@jonathan19960804 guy, i'm an urban planner. i have travelled the world. and i still think above grade rail is ugly and should be the last option from at-grade, and underground. Vienna, Zurich, Bern and Stockholm do not systems that are vastly above-grade. my point illustrated:
Checkout Vancouver's Skytrain and Google the development that has occured around the stations. It was begun 20 years ago, is entirely automated and travels at 50 mph. Cars run 90 seconds apart and are air conditioned. It is now running at copasity....build it they will use it, freeing up space on roads too.High density, I love not having to worry about my car, it is for trips beyond the city. Get with the program Phoenix is presently an unsustainable sprawl.
I can't understand a damn thing that fool says. He mumbles like he's on Quaaludes. These people seem like the typical whiners and complainers. Everything must go their way or it's wrong. Here's a thought - GET OUT OF THE US IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, CREEPS!
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All of these Public transit trains are sucking our tax dollars down the train... Utah's light rail and high speed train systems lost 30 million dollars last year alone- and that's beyond the millions that were subsidized by the government... Public transit is a joke...!!! Get rid of it.
@browningrage11 Your gusto towards anti-public transit is very Phoenix-esque, or rather, one of the many suburbs of Phoenix. I lived in Tempe my whole life (a suburb, once again) and the negative attitude is truly reminiscent of people in this city. But what you may fail to realize is that Phoenix Light Rail has is making this city $152,281.50 a DAY. More then I can say for most cities in the United States. BTW, Utah has no high speed rail. Do some research mate, you'll find a much happier tale.
@PsychoShocker1000 Speaking of doing research- Utah's High Speed rail is called "FrontRunner" I ride it every day to and from work... LOL And I'm glad your light rail is making money- it is definitely the exception...
@browningrage11 I think you're referring to Commuter Rail. High Speed Rail goes an upwards of 100 miles per hour. The only high speed rail line in the United States is in New England. And depending on the competence of the designers of the light rail corridor, it can do very well or very poorly. Like, for instance, I'm pretty confident the new streetcar in Tempe is going to bomb, but only because it's line is poorly planned. Public transit makes stoopid amounts money, but only if done right.
@PsychoShocker1000 Anything that runs on electric is good for our environment. PRT may be less expensive to build and it does run on electricity just like light rail. but just like light rail stations, you have to have elevators to get the wheelchair bound customers up to the little cars and the cars have to be big enough to accomodate the wheelchairs as well as able-bodied customers. However, PRT is good for areas that is not served by public transit or where bus service is poor!
I had this same rail idea years ago, so needless to say, I love it. I thought that a similar adaptation could be used for package / mail delivery without the need for a post office.
It would be great if we could just get enough like minded people in one town and just do it. That along with our own monetary system etc.
so every city in the world who use train , metro and tramway systems don't know what they are doing? Japan and Europe does pretty well with there train. And the cost of those individual pods are much higher then a normal transit system. Who is gonna pay for it all. Do you want an other major tax increase to pay for it?
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free market? usually it is the public who pays for this type of infrasturcture. Free market lets the pulic pay for the investment and then the free market comes and collects...
@taviyo Love it. You're so right. These guys are friggin' idiots. First of all, they don't say how the 'free market' is going to pay for rails run EVERYWHERE, and sconed off, they don't address how the 'free market' already puts up huge battles over new rails ANYWHERE because of property values. Please.
@taviyo Love it. You're so right. These guys are friggin' idiots. First of all, they don't say how the 'free market' is going to pay for rails run EVERYWHERE, and second off, they don't address how the 'free market' already puts up huge battles over new rails ANYWHERE because of property values. Please.
4409. I love it. Keep spreading the word. It's going to take something really dramatic to wake up the zombies. Until then, i'll continue working with those... zombies.. :(
So you totally ignore the fact that PRT is just a fancy name for "car" right? "Thinkers" like you got us automobile dependency and destroyed the well operated streetcar systems and brought us diesel buses instead. PRT is bullsh*t. It isn't any more efficient than a normal car, whereas rail is more efficient by orders of magnitude.
In a "free trade economy" 90% of the people are homeless and some 10% are very rich. Don't give me that BS ok? I can rant about this forever, but I have no space left
If the evo 1 rights wouldn't have been sold out we could have a way of independently getting around. They even came and got the evo's with owners fighting to keep them and battery technology has come a long way since then. Electric car conversion kits help get away from oil and cost about 20 grand to refit a vehicle with but it's well worth it if you factor in the cost of fuel. If you had to travel farther than the battery takes you then oversize alternators etc extend range almost indefinately
I think Phoenix should have commuter and intercity rail. Haven't had Amtrak since 1996! Returning both the Texas Eagle and Sunset Limited trains to Phoenix is a step forward. Maybe even a service to Tuscon and Las Vegas. Commuter Rail to Queen Creek and Florence via Tempe, Mesa, Gilbert and to Sun City West via Glendale. A brand new station at Chase Field by the freight yard off 7th St. Its rediculous all this money is going to highway projects when it can be spend on much better rail transport.
Trash? Well, i think light rail is a good thing. Its a step forward from buses. The Skytrain sounds good, although it just doesn't seem worth it. Transit isn't really meant to be that way. Just my thoughts. I think that the light rail system could have been designed better though. The overhead wires, waste of money. Why not an underground third rail? Right of way over all traffic and 50mph service instead of 30mph. The city could have spend the money on more advanced light rail.
@intercityrailpal I hope they build that commuter rail soon too. We already have most of the inner-city rails in Phoenix so all we have to do is build the stations, leave much room for development along side the rail and lay the tracks in areas where they're needed. Of course this doesn't come without a huge price tag
The idea that Skytran provides a free-market opportunity is farce. Riders of Skytran would still be taken to specific locations, meaning limited options.
Hanging rails would look like crap. Roads are already ugly enough, why have a bunch of metal hanging in the sky all day long?
To call light-rail "Disneyland" as opposed to Skytran is hilarious. Skytran is of course an inverted people-mover (for those who remember that ride).
Excuse me, perhaps I'm missing something... but this video doesn't say much of anything about Phoenix's light rail system, does it? And this "better alternative" looks like more of the same pie-in-the-sky, cockamamie ideas we heard about for pretty much all of the 20th century.
@dodgedart74 or even pre 1776. If you want to be real. The only real freedom is before there was a United States. When our women chose our leaders based on trust.
Alittle up date on Phoenix light rail Feb 2010. If you want to privately build Sky Tran please do! But the government light rail is a run a way success and doing very well. There was light rail in Phoenix years ago, a company called National City Lines bought and distroyied it.. Check out "a streetcar named denial" it will explain right here on youtube what happened and how they did it. Now untill someone comes up with the money for a private system it will have to be the government.
Well they stole my money in the 1960's on taxes on my train tickets to build your roads, I'll never drive on!(really I do drive alittle in Phoenix) But I know in a few years that train will take 80 to 100 cars off the road ahead of me. Free up parking, and if everyone else uses it keep gas prices down. The train also uses American power "Electric Power" which is not from the middle east. You think a trillion dollars a year now in imported oil is OK? Money never comming back, gone.
intercityrailpal....you have a lot to learn. research Prudhoe bay Alaska. There is enough there to run this entire nation for over 200 years. We do not need to import ANY oil from foreign nations.
Furthermore, fossil fuels are not from fossils at all. You have been brainwashed your whole life.
That's all true, but the oil company s will deceide where the oil goes. The america public wants trains. There are millions of riders now. The highway lobby can not control it anymore. It doesn't really matter whose in the White House. In a few years this will be a silly arguement. Trains have been and always be good for the country. We don't have them because of powerful lobbys in Washington.
intercityrailpal...trains are for sheep tp be herded into. Cars are the ultimate in freedom...go where you want when you want...How is there freedom in a train?
Cars are not comfortable for long distance travel. Many people are older and can not drive. Do you want them out on the road ahead of you? Do you want them driving your price of oil up for you. Do you like the smell of traffic or just being in traffic? If I take the train, you don't have me infront of you.
It's freedom from driving and cars. Alot of people don't like to drive anymore. Why would you make them? If more people took the train. You could enjoy the road without bumper to bumper traffic, stop and go, stop and go. wasteing fuel, which is money, your money! On train you can read, relax, text. Work on your computer. Visit with friends etc. I see lots of freedom here. So do the millions of new rail riders everyday.
They've had hearing years ago.(boy they don't do that anymore. Cause inspite of hot trains,cold trains,no trains, the public wants more of them.) Believe me it's been a bitter fight with the transportation lobbyist. Which are airline and highway people. I know a train to you is the Phoenix light rail. Well that's just one type of rail service. Like a country road is one type of road. They've done survey, after survey, the public has demanded rail.
Many people in our highway lobby live in the middle east. They now own many of our companys which still have american names. That way they can control our transportation policy, for their private companys! They hire lobbyist in Washington. They get a trillion dollars a year from us from oil sales that's just one year.Some of this oil money ends up in places you don't want to know about.
And, just for fun........100 mph nonstop? What happens when capacity eventually becomes an issue? Surprise! Super- expensive mag-lev buses. Or, perhaps this scenario?... "We apologize for the inconvenience, but due to congestion, we are unable to slow your personal transport from 100 mph." TUCK AND ROLL!!!
Alright... is it just me, or does this look like one of those archived visions of the future from the 1960's where everyone is in their personal space machine? First of all, the projected infrastructure costs are way off. Mag-Lev is 3-6 times the cost of traditional rail transport. Secondly, the idea of personal transport on a more rigid system than the current roadways would lead to an infinitely more expensive version of the smart car. As for myself, I'll wait for my personal space ship.
I really wish they built express tracks. But the road lobby would not permitt it. If they can't stop it they try to mess it up! Maybe the next line will be better. New Jersey had the same slow starts.
if your talking about something like a power failure, the train won't fall to the ground. because the rail is like a tube with a long, straight gap on the bottom of the pipe. each pod basically has a part in side the rail bigger than the gap.
stupid idea. this may work in downtown NYC, but a huge urban sprawl like LA, Houston, Phoenix would still prevent it from being attainable by everyone, so now you are back to square one, which is people complaining about light rail that doesn't go near their neighborhood, but this system cost 100X as much. The U.S is built on trillion dollar roads, they will never be abandoned; alt fuel cars is the only option for the U.S.
Good luck on paying for the Maglev because the Maglev cost 100 Millions dollar per Miles, and your looking at 20 Billions of dollor to run it from Phoenix to Tuscon, yeah good luck Arizona California is way better than Arizona because they got better transportation, more Themepark and better weather.
Light rail is not about pushing technology, it's about getting people where they need to go. And economic activity. As an Tempe resident, I have to go down Apache Blvd all the time to get to Mesa. Lemme tell you what, that place is trash. But with the light rail, this is going to change being that real estate will climb higher because of it's location, and soon it won't be just used car dealerships and bars.
Well he is kind of right. The bars will stay, just be better. If people don't have to drive and just use their car when they want to. All that extra money is used to buy other things. The car dealers will move make a quick buck and leave.People wil not have worry about drinking a driving too. It works out.
I don't know about PHX, but this has happened in other cities. They got their funding cut years ago. So they have to produce income somehow. One of the reasons I don" t drive across the country. Your easy picking's with that out of state plate. When I'm in PHX I have a rental car I get at Flagstaff. It has AZ plates. I think I blend in more that way. But being a older guy I don't party much anymore anyway. I do like to travel. By the way thanks for writting, glad to hear from you.
The PHX train "The Sunset Limited" was reduced to 3 days aweek years ago. It was 3 days of income and 7 days of expenses. The only way to lose more money was to not run it. That way you'd still have the fixed costs of the railroad, and taxes but no income. It was moved out of PHX a major city to Maricopa and times were changed to 220am ! That's right! The problem again is the business on that poor train is way up. PHX people were replaced by TUC and other cities.
There is a new railway age coming, it will take a few years.This is just getting started. But Skyharbor will be a very quiet place. Anything that uses alot of oil will be gone! (Like airplanes) It will just cost too much.You will not only see commuter trains to TUC but light rail all over. Train service PHX-FLG-DENVER.Then there's the real sleeper High Speed Rail. Check out, right on youtube: worlds fastest train
They promise the world. "Can be built quickly! Cheaply! With existing technology! Travel times better than automobiles! Privacy! No waiting! No congestion!"
And then they produce fancy pantsy animations and renderings as "proof" that it can be done.
What about cost? Building and maintaining the dense infrastructure grid necessary for PRT would be obscene. Would have to be government-funded because no private investors would be stupid enough.
I think PRTs like ULTra or Vectus (I prefer ULTra) should be used in really small towns while Skytran should be used for longer distances. That's my opinion.
ive looked at quite a few prt systems like this and i think that the skytran system is the best of them. fast, simple, good looking and we could place them all over the country and have one massive connected servise
This has got to be the dumbest transportation idea ever. It might work in a town with a population of, like, 1,000 people at best! Put this boondoggle in a major metro area and you'll just have thousands of people lining up for hours. It's ridiculous!
oh yeah, this is perfect for phoenix. come ON.... there would have to be 100s of these to be able to even be worthwhile here in phoenix... given the population. oh and a subway here in the desert? yah, lets just build tunnels in a big sandbox. that REALLY makes sense.
"Off the shelf . . . off the shelf!," Lol. Pay the money Phoenix cheapskates and build a subway (heavy rail)! We have the same problem with local officials here in Fairfax County, VA.
what an amazing idea. these trains would solve so much. get on one of these, go to the city of destination. Then go jump in the free car at the plug in station it just dropped you off at. have you seen the magnetic motors? literal perpetual motion. i am building one to power my house.
yea man you crazy in las vages the monrail stalled the fire truck with the hook and ladder had to come and get the people down choaking from hevey smoke when the monorail caught fire . i'll feel safer on light rail in case and accident
forget monorail or mono stall way up in the air ??? you can have it
How exactly is light lail "steam engine technology" when monorails and elevated railways have been around just as long and were once steam operated as well?
Sort of like when people are surprised to hear that reliable, fully electric automobiles have existed for more than a century.
I just visited Seattle for the first time and got to witness that horrific mile long monorail going down to the Space Needle. Couldn't help but think that is a great spot to try to demonstrate Sky-Tran
PRT -- a way for anti-transit kooks to claim they are pro-something rather than anti-everything. It's easy for kooks to say "Don't build light rail; build PRT instead" because they know PRT is so far-fetched that it will never actually be built.
Hmm I like this concept actually.. as long as they are up there and the normal roads are still below. could get some places with no stops or low speed limits. I also like that they link up and break off at their turns..
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For all you dumb @ss whiny environmentalists out there. I drive a truck all day because my job requires it. A stupid train or "sky train" would never work for me. neither of them would go where I need to go. Nor could I carry everything I need with me. They are only convenient for sickly vegan whiners, handicapped people, and dui's with suspended licenses, who have a job that does not require traveling throughout the day.
Almost everyone has a job that doesn't require traveling with a whole ton of equipment. If SkyTran isn't for you, then its not for you. But it would work for the majority of other people out there.
Until people realize how much it would suck, then when ridership declines it would have to be subsidized by the government. Just like what WILL happen with lightrail.
Awesome!, free market would get us there but like all fatal conceit preplanned orders that socialism (now large corporation or facism of today in US) give they deceive the general public against free markets. ALL regulations is for corporations to prevent competition. All companies fear competition so to stop it business pass laws of regulation, which they have econ of scale against their competitor and use the regulations to prevent free markets from benefiting the consumer. regs=this nature
how about this, I live 25 miles outside the city limits, thats 35 miles from the closes bus stop. There are no trains, no busses, no public transit where I live, and I work in the city. So how am I supposed to do that?
I am not whining, but stating a fact. At the time when I bought my house, there were not houses right next door to where I work. In the US it is extremely common for people to live far away from where they live. You cannot demand people to live their lives like you do when they live in a completely different location in the world.
The highways caused the houseing bust people bought houses way out that were cheap untill the high price of gas and big vehicles ruined it. They just couldn't afford it and walked away from the property. Bingo! Bankrupt Banks! Houseing along transit lines and rail transit lines retained their value better or went UP!
i dont think saigonpunkid was talking about people that have no other option (like yourself) he was talking about people who fight against trains that will go near their house calling them a waste of money
This happened in Minneapolis. These people moved away and sold there houses to people who wanted to be next to the rail stations for double their money. Sweet deal for them if you ask me.
I would carpool if you can. Saves alot of money. Costs for gas are cut in half! Because now your getting two passenger miles per gallon. Of course the owner of the car gets repair bills for the wearing out of the car. But that's an other issue. If your in the car alone you get one passenger mile per gallon...really bad! Amtrak can get 500 to 700 passenger miles per gallon. Light rail doesn't burn oil. So the benefits are off the scale!
Yea, the only complaint I hear is just like Minneapolis they just have one starter line and because real estate on that street is worth so much more now they want on their street and they want it yesterday!!
Hey I'm all for your truck, for you. Just don't make me drive. Cars are great untill everyone has one. Then you can't move it's called traffic. Better roads bring more traffic, cause everyone says hey, that's roads better I'll drive over there! Presto! Traffic Jam! Light rail is cheaper to build than city freeway. Phoenix should have had a express track. And really blow across town!
They call it "Light Rail" when in actuality its Street Cars which were in phoenix and all over the country about 100 years ago before the car came along and the automotive companies bought them all and shut them down. Nothing new, no inovation what so ever and another waste of money that went into some insiders hip pocket.
Nothing sounds like freedom, like the Wind in your... I mean, like a mickey mouse pea pod your fat ass can tuck into, and HAVE NO CONTROL OVER. Definitely NOT part of any aspect of the AMERICAN DREAM.
Nothing Screams more weakness like computer controlled PUSSY POD.
If I remember right, the original fact pointed out against the light rail proposition was that it was a tremendous burden to the taxpayers here (and drivers too), and benefit to nearly no one. It's too bad our Deciders don't have the actual public's and city's interests in mind.
There's no such thing as a free meal. Who will pay for the infrastructure? Plus the idea of giving free rides to people is a very socialist one. Let everyone pay their own fare, or get a car, LOL!!!
gospelnews123 4 weeks ago
I would never ride this in southern california. I am afraid of falling out of the sky at 100 miles an hour during an 8.0
FrenchChicana 3 months ago
Hard to compete with the coolness factor here. Just as long as I can go where I want once I get off the track it looks like a good deal.
Robikus 5 months ago
Phoenix is too big not to have rapid transit
UMAnnArbor2 6 months ago
personally i'ld prefer the freedom and dangers included with personally controlled transportation. but then again i still prefer manuals....
anarchris 6 months ago
I honestly don't think the city builds light rail because people are nostalgic for it. Cities build light rail because the lifelong cost of it is cheaper than BRT for high use corridors. Skytran still needs a pilot so people know that this technology is feasible and is indeed as cheap as the designers claim it is. If skytran is indeed cheaper per passenger mile, the market will respond.
totoroben 8 months ago
@totoroben ....that is the point of the video, we don't have a free market...lol
RP4409 8 months ago 2
@RP4409 It's called the United States of America. Dumbass. You're like some Western red neck
cheerwine01 2 months ago
I for one am continually astonished at the display of ignorance, prejudice and hidden ideological agendas in almost every comment I read on YouTube videos. Why all the personal attacks on this guy? Why the love of the past that prevents you even considering the potential benefits of a new idea? This is nearly as good as a car, more efficient than current mass transport, safer, cheaper and no more ugly than regular street full of trucks, buses and cars.
Pharmalogconsulting 9 months ago
LOVE YOUR WORK!!THANK YOU!!
LTL220 9 months ago
It's curious that our God-given, in- and un- aLIENable rights (meaning, of course that no lien can be placed upon them) are denied because of the ever-vigilant, & often anonymous, complainer. "'Someone' complained about a man who matches your description..." etc. The "wellness check" allows the police to enter your house because a compassionate neighbor (who shall remain anonymous) expressed his concerns about the mental and/or physical well-being of you & yours. How touching.
CelestialEmbodiment 9 months ago
Most cops are good except for the majority of them--the blood-thirsty maniacs. All that the good cops can do is to bear witness to the bad cops who routinely punch, kick, tase and pummel handcuffed citizens.
CelestialEmbodiment 9 months ago
Don't tell the cops anything as they're hysterical and panic-stricken with nervous conniptions. It's the shame that humiliates the cheap-skates, pretentious clochards and men of dubious valor.
CelestialEmbodiment 9 months ago
the guy who makes these videos is so delusional and paranoid.
riotriotriot55 10 months ago
You pound the TSA being at the rail, then you Pound the Rail? You're a joke. Watch you block me from your videos because you're afraid of being wrong or stupid, or crazy.
mounsteres 10 months ago
They have free market here in Detroit. That means very limited mass transit and the majority of people drive cars.
You can't have free market and a "public" transportation option. The free market is too selfish to coordinate mass transit for the benefit of everyone.
Be happy you don't have the shitty mass transit in Michigan where they force you to have car insurance even when you get ZERO coverage out of it.
YTSparty 1 year ago
"Got rid of the steam, they're all high-tech..." Buddy, you're living so far in the past your watching Charlie Chapman for regular entertainment. The steam era ended in the late 1940's. Electricity is the norm for trains around the world. The USA is one of the last industrialized nations to begin electrifying networks and develop mass transit and high speed rail. From what I understand, most Pheonix residents enjoy the benifits of light rail.
gibb1991 1 year ago
@gibb1991 ....really...lol.... how many phoenix residents have YOU interviewed? Electric trains are 1800's technology.
RP4409 1 year ago
@RP4409 Actually, the first electrified lines on the globe began showing up in the 1930's but most of the early electrification projects were abandoned because of the price of cheap oil at the given time period. Electricity, globally, is now the top source of power for trains. Particularly for high speed services as diesel-electric alternators are not powerful enough. With the rising prices of oil and the push to be more 'green,' many American companies are looking at...(continued)
gibb1991 1 year ago 2
@RP4409 electrification once more. Two of the most dedicated companies in electrification research are the Burlington Northern Santa Fe (BNSF) and Norfolk Southern Railways (NSC). What do you expect the light rail trains to run on? Smiles? Phoenix has a population of approx. 4.3 million people. It doesn't matter how many people you interview, you're not going to get an accurate opinion on your own. But independant polls have shown a very good approval rating.
gibb1991 1 year ago 2
@RP4409 YOUR MOM is 1800s technology. hahaha SHUT UP. And let people enjoy their stress free, delay free commute to work and go piss in the oil barrel you popped out of before hopping in your car and getting stuck on the freeway. You're so ignorant of light rail that you don't even deserve to be taken seriously.
cheerwine01 11 months ago
hey Dodgedart boy, the rest of the world is onboard! New York City has fantastic public transit and would not exist in its present form without it. Vancouver has had an automated system for twenty years. and is one of the denses place in North America, saving our farmland from sprawl. Pheonix is a nightmare to get around in, it is almost impossible to plan anything because travel times don't exist, with traffic. Look at what other cities are doing. I still love Phoenix
edwinstar100 1 year ago
i live in phoenix i wont one of the little cards that you are handing out
nate6474 1 year ago
I think the creater of this video has been smoking! I ride light rail and it doesn't do any harm to the city. I am all 100% for clean air. At least PRT is also electric and the stations have elevators to get the handicapped customers to and from the station platforms.
Streetcar1743 1 year ago
Overhead rails are f'n ugly. Look at what it has done to NYC and CHI. You would probably hate something like this even more if they were built by your house because of how ugly it would look.
phobal 1 year ago
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jonathan19960804 10 months ago
@jonathan19960804 guy, i'm an urban planner. i have travelled the world. and i still think above grade rail is ugly and should be the last option from at-grade, and underground. Vienna, Zurich, Bern and Stockholm do not systems that are vastly above-grade. my point illustrated:
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phobal 10 months ago
this would be great if it didn't fill the atmosphere with rails and passenger cars.
venuecam 1 year ago
Checkout Vancouver's Skytrain and Google the development that has occured around the stations. It was begun 20 years ago, is entirely automated and travels at 50 mph. Cars run 90 seconds apart and are air conditioned. It is now running at copasity....build it they will use it, freeing up space on roads too.High density, I love not having to worry about my car, it is for trips beyond the city. Get with the program Phoenix is presently an unsustainable sprawl.
edwinstar100 1 year ago
I can't understand a damn thing that fool says. He mumbles like he's on Quaaludes. These people seem like the typical whiners and complainers. Everything must go their way or it's wrong. Here's a thought - GET OUT OF THE US IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, CREEPS!
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graywackeknifebdr 1 year ago
driver-less cars can do a better job because the roads already go everywhere. you are never going to get that track to go to your front door
goose1077 1 year ago
All of these Public transit trains are sucking our tax dollars down the train... Utah's light rail and high speed train systems lost 30 million dollars last year alone- and that's beyond the millions that were subsidized by the government... Public transit is a joke...!!! Get rid of it.
browningrage11 1 year ago
@browningrage11 Your gusto towards anti-public transit is very Phoenix-esque, or rather, one of the many suburbs of Phoenix. I lived in Tempe my whole life (a suburb, once again) and the negative attitude is truly reminiscent of people in this city. But what you may fail to realize is that Phoenix Light Rail has is making this city $152,281.50 a DAY. More then I can say for most cities in the United States. BTW, Utah has no high speed rail. Do some research mate, you'll find a much happier tale.
PsychoShocker1000 1 year ago
@PsychoShocker1000 Speaking of doing research- Utah's High Speed rail is called "FrontRunner" I ride it every day to and from work... LOL And I'm glad your light rail is making money- it is definitely the exception...
browningrage11 1 year ago
@browningrage11 I think you're referring to Commuter Rail. High Speed Rail goes an upwards of 100 miles per hour. The only high speed rail line in the United States is in New England. And depending on the competence of the designers of the light rail corridor, it can do very well or very poorly. Like, for instance, I'm pretty confident the new streetcar in Tempe is going to bomb, but only because it's line is poorly planned. Public transit makes stoopid amounts money, but only if done right.
PsychoShocker1000 1 year ago
@PsychoShocker1000 Anything that runs on electric is good for our environment. PRT may be less expensive to build and it does run on electricity just like light rail. but just like light rail stations, you have to have elevators to get the wheelchair bound customers up to the little cars and the cars have to be big enough to accomodate the wheelchairs as well as able-bodied customers. However, PRT is good for areas that is not served by public transit or where bus service is poor!
Streetcar1743 1 year ago
I'm all for Light Rail, only if funded by private interests.
greenback001 1 year ago
I had this same rail idea years ago, so needless to say, I love it. I thought that a similar adaptation could be used for package / mail delivery without the need for a post office.
It would be great if we could just get enough like minded people in one town and just do it. That along with our own monetary system etc.
VoteLib3rty 1 year ago
so every city in the world who use train , metro and tramway systems don't know what they are doing? Japan and Europe does pretty well with there train. And the cost of those individual pods are much higher then a normal transit system. Who is gonna pay for it all. Do you want an other major tax increase to pay for it?
lordmat666 1 year ago
LOVE IT! Retro-fit my Suburban with a massive mag-lev roof rack! This is the best idea I've heard all week.
RicosDomeTown 1 year ago
Who the hell killed AC/DC's song?
Clarrisani 1 year ago
what happens if the on board computer crashes it happens! many times
caltrain2 1 year ago
guys im not american and i never heard about this before
when will be build this 1:45?
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fittingciobb 1 year ago
free market? usually it is the public who pays for this type of infrasturcture. Free market lets the pulic pay for the investment and then the free market comes and collects...
taviyo 1 year ago
@taviyo Love it. You're so right. These guys are friggin' idiots. First of all, they don't say how the 'free market' is going to pay for rails run EVERYWHERE, and sconed off, they don't address how the 'free market' already puts up huge battles over new rails ANYWHERE because of property values. Please.
FrankAndCandid 1 year ago
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@taviyo Love it. You're so right. These guys are friggin' idiots. First of all, they don't say how the 'free market' is going to pay for rails run EVERYWHERE, and second off, they don't address how the 'free market' already puts up huge battles over new rails ANYWHERE because of property values. Please.
FrankAndCandid 1 year ago
There's nothing sustainable about personal transit. mass transit is economical only if its public.
evantis121 1 year ago
@RP4409 i dont think they were forced
pawpawnorth 1 year ago
@pawpawnorth They were forced to pay for it.
TreachMarkets 1 year ago
oooo far in the future dude, NOT going to happen soon! but SICK! = ]
TheDylanJoyce 1 year ago
looks like an old fashion trolley car.. yeah,great technology..lol
MELISSA84008 1 year ago
4409. I love it. Keep spreading the word. It's going to take something really dramatic to wake up the zombies. Until then, i'll continue working with those... zombies.. :(
shippyshiphead 1 year ago
So you totally ignore the fact that PRT is just a fancy name for "car" right? "Thinkers" like you got us automobile dependency and destroyed the well operated streetcar systems and brought us diesel buses instead. PRT is bullsh*t. It isn't any more efficient than a normal car, whereas rail is more efficient by orders of magnitude.
In a "free trade economy" 90% of the people are homeless and some 10% are very rich. Don't give me that BS ok? I can rant about this forever, but I have no space left
ecologist96 1 year ago
Why do they always have to add the annoying and unnecessary "music" soundtrack over the spoken track? Media overkill!
robertsabella 1 year ago
This isnt trash, the PRT is trash, the only problem is Phoenix doesnt have enough
pawpawnorth 1 year ago
Awesome stuff, we could see that in a resource based economy and better.
skept1c615 1 year ago
lolz. this guy does know that trains are far cheaper (per seat) than any personal system right?
WeeeeBeep 1 year ago 5
And this video seemed to have nothing to do with Phoenix Light Rail. Thanks for making such a worthless video!
sirdorkster 1 year ago 2
You would still need to seize land to construct the pillars.
mlovecraftr 1 year ago
If the evo 1 rights wouldn't have been sold out we could have a way of independently getting around. They even came and got the evo's with owners fighting to keep them and battery technology has come a long way since then. Electric car conversion kits help get away from oil and cost about 20 grand to refit a vehicle with but it's well worth it if you factor in the cost of fuel. If you had to travel farther than the battery takes you then oversize alternators etc extend range almost indefinately
william0873 1 year ago
I think Phoenix should have commuter and intercity rail. Haven't had Amtrak since 1996! Returning both the Texas Eagle and Sunset Limited trains to Phoenix is a step forward. Maybe even a service to Tuscon and Las Vegas. Commuter Rail to Queen Creek and Florence via Tempe, Mesa, Gilbert and to Sun City West via Glendale. A brand new station at Chase Field by the freight yard off 7th St. Its rediculous all this money is going to highway projects when it can be spend on much better rail transport.
RailfanDaniel 1 year ago
Trash? Well, i think light rail is a good thing. Its a step forward from buses. The Skytrain sounds good, although it just doesn't seem worth it. Transit isn't really meant to be that way. Just my thoughts. I think that the light rail system could have been designed better though. The overhead wires, waste of money. Why not an underground third rail? Right of way over all traffic and 50mph service instead of 30mph. The city could have spend the money on more advanced light rail.
RailfanDaniel 1 year ago
@intercityrailpal I hope they build that commuter rail soon too. We already have most of the inner-city rails in Phoenix so all we have to do is build the stations, leave much room for development along side the rail and lay the tracks in areas where they're needed. Of course this doesn't come without a huge price tag
22gwill 1 year ago
The idea that Skytran provides a free-market opportunity is farce. Riders of Skytran would still be taken to specific locations, meaning limited options.
Hanging rails would look like crap. Roads are already ugly enough, why have a bunch of metal hanging in the sky all day long?
To call light-rail "Disneyland" as opposed to Skytran is hilarious. Skytran is of course an inverted people-mover (for those who remember that ride).
When "rEVOLution" has a good idea, let me know.
meritory 1 year ago
Excuse me, perhaps I'm missing something... but this video doesn't say much of anything about Phoenix's light rail system, does it? And this "better alternative" looks like more of the same pie-in-the-sky, cockamamie ideas we heard about for pretty much all of the 20th century.
ccoraxfan 1 year ago 2
we will never see this EVER are you serious? a free market!? what do you think this is 1776 america!? get out of here,
dodgedart74 1 year ago 9
@dodgedart74 or even pre 1776. If you want to be real. The only real freedom is before there was a United States. When our women chose our leaders based on trust.
mlbirdinground 9 months ago
Alittle up date on Phoenix light rail Feb 2010. If you want to privately build Sky Tran please do! But the government light rail is a run a way success and doing very well. There was light rail in Phoenix years ago, a company called National City Lines bought and distroyied it.. Check out "a streetcar named denial" it will explain right here on youtube what happened and how they did it. Now untill someone comes up with the money for a private system it will have to be the government.
intercityrailpal 1 year ago
intercityrailpal....you said "light rail is a success"....hahahahaha
You have to pay people to ride it or steal peoples cars. The reason why the government has the money is because they STEAL it from me.
RP4409 1 year ago
Well they stole my money in the 1960's on taxes on my train tickets to build your roads, I'll never drive on!(really I do drive alittle in Phoenix) But I know in a few years that train will take 80 to 100 cars off the road ahead of me. Free up parking, and if everyone else uses it keep gas prices down. The train also uses American power "Electric Power" which is not from the middle east. You think a trillion dollars a year now in imported oil is OK? Money never comming back, gone.
intercityrailpal 1 year ago
intercityrailpal....you have a lot to learn. research Prudhoe bay Alaska. There is enough there to run this entire nation for over 200 years. We do not need to import ANY oil from foreign nations.
Furthermore, fossil fuels are not from fossils at all. You have been brainwashed your whole life.
RP4409 1 year ago
That's all true, but the oil company s will deceide where the oil goes. The america public wants trains. There are millions of riders now. The highway lobby can not control it anymore. It doesn't really matter whose in the White House. In a few years this will be a silly arguement. Trains have been and always be good for the country. We don't have them because of powerful lobbys in Washington.
intercityrailpal 1 year ago
intercityrailpal...trains are for sheep tp be herded into. Cars are the ultimate in freedom...go where you want when you want...How is there freedom in a train?
RP4409 1 year ago
Cars are not comfortable for long distance travel. Many people are older and can not drive. Do you want them out on the road ahead of you? Do you want them driving your price of oil up for you. Do you like the smell of traffic or just being in traffic? If I take the train, you don't have me infront of you.
intercityrailpal 1 year ago
It's freedom from driving and cars. Alot of people don't like to drive anymore. Why would you make them? If more people took the train. You could enjoy the road without bumper to bumper traffic, stop and go, stop and go. wasteing fuel, which is money, your money! On train you can read, relax, text. Work on your computer. Visit with friends etc. I see lots of freedom here. So do the millions of new rail riders everyday.
intercityrailpal 1 year ago
They've had hearing years ago.(boy they don't do that anymore. Cause inspite of hot trains,cold trains,no trains, the public wants more of them.) Believe me it's been a bitter fight with the transportation lobbyist. Which are airline and highway people. I know a train to you is the Phoenix light rail. Well that's just one type of rail service. Like a country road is one type of road. They've done survey, after survey, the public has demanded rail.
intercityrailpal 1 year ago
Many people in our highway lobby live in the middle east. They now own many of our companys which still have american names. That way they can control our transportation policy, for their private companys! They hire lobbyist in Washington. They get a trillion dollars a year from us from oil sales that's just one year.Some of this oil money ends up in places you don't want to know about.
intercityrailpal 1 year ago
And, just for fun........100 mph nonstop? What happens when capacity eventually becomes an issue? Surprise! Super- expensive mag-lev buses. Or, perhaps this scenario?... "We apologize for the inconvenience, but due to congestion, we are unable to slow your personal transport from 100 mph." TUCK AND ROLL!!!
cnwGP7 1 year ago
Alright... is it just me, or does this look like one of those archived visions of the future from the 1960's where everyone is in their personal space machine? First of all, the projected infrastructure costs are way off. Mag-Lev is 3-6 times the cost of traditional rail transport. Secondly, the idea of personal transport on a more rigid system than the current roadways would lead to an infinitely more expensive version of the smart car. As for myself, I'll wait for my personal space ship.
cnwGP7 1 year ago
If they really moved that quick it'd be cool I'd use it
wompasdub 1 year ago
I really wish they built express tracks. But the road lobby would not permitt it. If they can't stop it they try to mess it up! Maybe the next line will be better. New Jersey had the same slow starts.
intercityrailpal 1 year ago
YOu guys are so full of crap. PRT you mean a car.
sken787 2 years ago
I LOVE the idea EXCEPT for the magnetic levitation thingy. What happens if the magnets lose contact, do you drop to the ground? ugh.
ZnotZed 2 years ago
if your talking about something like a power failure, the train won't fall to the ground. because the rail is like a tube with a long, straight gap on the bottom of the pipe. each pod basically has a part in side the rail bigger than the gap.
nowayinheck3 2 years ago
This guy is a real Moron. "Skytran" will end up costing more in the long run. Is he an engineer, or just a good graphics guy?
Foxwagon1 2 years ago 2
wait so the light rail things at 2:03 are being put up in Pheonix!? :D
Tacky8523 2 years ago
I thought Pheonix had PRT already... it is called a taxi.
Electrify85 2 years ago
If all trains are to be judged by the trains of the 19th century than all cars should be judged by the cars of the 19th century as well.
gguru1 2 years ago 13
@gguru1 And a big chunk of cars of the 19th century were actually electric so we have taken a step back.
ecologist96 1 year ago
@gguru1 lol
EatsYouUp 1 year ago
stupid idea. this may work in downtown NYC, but a huge urban sprawl like LA, Houston, Phoenix would still prevent it from being attainable by everyone, so now you are back to square one, which is people complaining about light rail that doesn't go near their neighborhood, but this system cost 100X as much. The U.S is built on trillion dollar roads, they will never be abandoned; alt fuel cars is the only option for the U.S.
radrcer 2 years ago
You don't know what you are talking about.
Blumudus 2 years ago 3
I second that guy.
david40686 2 years ago
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GComputerSpecialist 2 years ago
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sky tran ALSO provides the perfect terrorist target ^_^ safe traveling. :)
WolfishPumpkin 2 years ago
MTA is made by yugo
sideslide23 2 years ago
Good luck on paying for the Maglev because the Maglev cost 100 Millions dollar per Miles, and your looking at 20 Billions of dollor to run it from Phoenix to Tuscon, yeah good luck Arizona California is way better than Arizona because they got better transportation, more Themepark and better weather.
sideslide23 2 years ago
this will never pass.. whatever invention that is free to use or even very low cost will not please the already design system of greed and power..
looks badass though...
baalyezidi 2 years ago
Maglev is now off-the-shelf? I'd like to see that shelf!
rbrhood 2 years ago
this Maglev technology is pretty cool
SoldierCyfix 2 years ago
whose going to pay 100 Millions of dollar per Miles?
sideslide23 2 years ago
dude i used to work for MTA (the transit organization for LA california) and a hunder million dollars doesn't even cover the fuel costs.
this is an epic system, but unfortunatelly its too efficient, meaning transportation companies wont let it pass.
SoldierCyfix 2 years ago
Light rail is not about pushing technology, it's about getting people where they need to go. And economic activity. As an Tempe resident, I have to go down Apache Blvd all the time to get to Mesa. Lemme tell you what, that place is trash. But with the light rail, this is going to change being that real estate will climb higher because of it's location, and soon it won't be just used car dealerships and bars.
PsychoShocker1000 2 years ago 3
PsychoShocker1000 you have something against used car dealerships and bars?
RP4409 2 years ago
Well he is kind of right. The bars will stay, just be better. If people don't have to drive and just use their car when they want to. All that extra money is used to buy other things. The car dealers will move make a quick buck and leave.People wil not have worry about drinking a driving too. It works out.
intercityrailpal 1 year ago
intercityrailpal...the trains magically stop ....guess at what time???? 1 hour before the bars close.
This was done to keep the DUI cash cow the police have....its very bizarre
RP4409 1 year ago
I don't know about PHX, but this has happened in other cities. They got their funding cut years ago. So they have to produce income somehow. One of the reasons I don" t drive across the country. Your easy picking's with that out of state plate. When I'm in PHX I have a rental car I get at Flagstaff. It has AZ plates. I think I blend in more that way. But being a older guy I don't party much anymore anyway. I do like to travel. By the way thanks for writting, glad to hear from you.
intercityrailpal 1 year ago
intercityrailpal...Sometimes my mom comes out here on Amtrack....it takes her to flagstaff, I have to pick her up
RP4409 1 year ago
The PHX train "The Sunset Limited" was reduced to 3 days aweek years ago. It was 3 days of income and 7 days of expenses. The only way to lose more money was to not run it. That way you'd still have the fixed costs of the railroad, and taxes but no income. It was moved out of PHX a major city to Maricopa and times were changed to 220am ! That's right! The problem again is the business on that poor train is way up. PHX people were replaced by TUC and other cities.
intercityrailpal 1 year ago
There is a new railway age coming, it will take a few years.This is just getting started. But Skyharbor will be a very quiet place. Anything that uses alot of oil will be gone! (Like airplanes) It will just cost too much.You will not only see commuter trains to TUC but light rail all over. Train service PHX-FLG-DENVER.Then there's the real sleeper High Speed Rail. Check out, right on youtube: worlds fastest train
intercityrailpal 1 year ago
PRT is the ultimate in transportation snake oil.
They promise the world. "Can be built quickly! Cheaply! With existing technology! Travel times better than automobiles! Privacy! No waiting! No congestion!"
And then they produce fancy pantsy animations and renderings as "proof" that it can be done.
What about cost? Building and maintaining the dense infrastructure grid necessary for PRT would be obscene. Would have to be government-funded because no private investors would be stupid enough.
orulz1 2 years ago
I think PRTs like ULTra or Vectus (I prefer ULTra) should be used in really small towns while Skytran should be used for longer distances. That's my opinion.
sammydenyc 2 years ago
ive looked at quite a few prt systems like this and i think that the skytran system is the best of them. fast, simple, good looking and we could place them all over the country and have one massive connected servise
cprich22 2 years ago
For the stations, you have to have elevators for the handicapped!
Streetcar1743 2 years ago
this proposal was offered by the mtd here in champaign, IL but was struck down by the city council
light rail
GetCarter08 2 years ago
Yeah, I'd hate to use a 19th century technology like the automobile to get around.
craigkbryant 2 years ago 4
This has got to be the dumbest transportation idea ever. It might work in a town with a population of, like, 1,000 people at best! Put this boondoggle in a major metro area and you'll just have thousands of people lining up for hours. It's ridiculous!
TavernWenchBlog 2 years ago 2
yea kinda like the light rail...LMAO
RP4409 2 years ago
they have the end station in mesa about 2 miles north of me. Its a crowded nightmare full of J-walkers, extremely dangerous.
Shittywaffles 2 years ago
oh yeah, this is perfect for phoenix. come ON.... there would have to be 100s of these to be able to even be worthwhile here in phoenix... given the population. oh and a subway here in the desert? yah, lets just build tunnels in a big sandbox. that REALLY makes sense.
LNvisualArt 2 years ago
"Off the shelf . . . off the shelf!," Lol. Pay the money Phoenix cheapskates and build a subway (heavy rail)! We have the same problem with local officials here in Fairfax County, VA.
Fairfaxcat 2 years ago
Well my car runs on pure hemp oil.
Bucktooth001 2 years ago
Mine 25% on water.
HydroOxy Generator can run a whole car as well.
FATGIRLSRHOT 2 years ago
you are right on with this one .
aaronlovespot 2 years ago
what an amazing idea. these trains would solve so much. get on one of these, go to the city of destination. Then go jump in the free car at the plug in station it just dropped you off at. have you seen the magnetic motors? literal perpetual motion. i am building one to power my house.
1lgdmn 2 years ago
"Unplugged from the Matrix",lol.
Fayth1988 2 years ago
Don't answer the triangle question.
OsamaBinForgotten2 2 years ago
yea man you crazy in las vages the monrail stalled the fire truck with the hook and ladder had to come and get the people down choaking from hevey smoke when the monorail caught fire . i'll feel safer on light rail in case and accident
forget monorail or mono stall way up in the air ??? you can have it
amtrc 2 years ago
How exactly is light lail "steam engine technology" when monorails and elevated railways have been around just as long and were once steam operated as well?
Sort of like when people are surprised to hear that reliable, fully electric automobiles have existed for more than a century.
gguru1 2 years ago
I just visited Seattle for the first time and got to witness that horrific mile long monorail going down to the Space Needle. Couldn't help but think that is a great spot to try to demonstrate Sky-Tran
LibertyOrBust 2 years ago
PRT -- a way for anti-transit kooks to claim they are pro-something rather than anti-everything. It's easy for kooks to say "Don't build light rail; build PRT instead" because they know PRT is so far-fetched that it will never actually be built.
biltmorebrat 2 years ago
Hmm I like this concept actually.. as long as they are up there and the normal roads are still below. could get some places with no stops or low speed limits. I also like that they link up and break off at their turns..
Kronnikx 3 years ago
This just scratches the surface of the lies.. if you people only knew what was being kept away from you.
finefilth 3 years ago
still waiting for the US to get a PRT system going. YEars away and waiting
747K 3 years ago
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For all you dumb @ss whiny environmentalists out there. I drive a truck all day because my job requires it. A stupid train or "sky train" would never work for me. neither of them would go where I need to go. Nor could I carry everything I need with me. They are only convenient for sickly vegan whiners, handicapped people, and dui's with suspended licenses, who have a job that does not require traveling throughout the day.
theflinx 3 years ago
Almost everyone has a job that doesn't require traveling with a whole ton of equipment. If SkyTran isn't for you, then its not for you. But it would work for the majority of other people out there.
frencheneesz 3 years ago
Until people realize how much it would suck, then when ridership declines it would have to be subsidized by the government. Just like what WILL happen with lightrail.
theflinx 3 years ago
Maybe we should rip up country roads. Their not used by many people. It would save money and make alot of jobs ripping them up, right?
intercityrailpal 1 year ago
Yeah... no longer care.
theflinx 1 year ago
Awesome!, free market would get us there but like all fatal conceit preplanned orders that socialism (now large corporation or facism of today in US) give they deceive the general public against free markets. ALL regulations is for corporations to prevent competition. All companies fear competition so to stop it business pass laws of regulation, which they have econ of scale against their competitor and use the regulations to prevent free markets from benefiting the consumer. regs=this nature
clthinkingman 3 years ago
Fat yankies should get off their fuckin cars and ride trains instead. Save the world from pollution.
saigonpunkid 3 years ago 4
how about this, I live 25 miles outside the city limits, thats 35 miles from the closes bus stop. There are no trains, no busses, no public transit where I live, and I work in the city. So how am I supposed to do that?
iamageek0 3 years ago
You're not supposed to live in such a far-flung place with such a ridiculous commute to work. Stop whining.
biltmorebrat 2 years ago
I am not whining, but stating a fact. At the time when I bought my house, there were not houses right next door to where I work. In the US it is extremely common for people to live far away from where they live. You cannot demand people to live their lives like you do when they live in a completely different location in the world.
iamageek0 2 years ago
The highways caused the houseing bust people bought houses way out that were cheap untill the high price of gas and big vehicles ruined it. They just couldn't afford it and walked away from the property. Bingo! Bankrupt Banks! Houseing along transit lines and rail transit lines retained their value better or went UP!
intercityrailpal 1 year ago
i dont think saigonpunkid was talking about people that have no other option (like yourself) he was talking about people who fight against trains that will go near their house calling them a waste of money
mfastx 2 years ago
This happened in Minneapolis. These people moved away and sold there houses to people who wanted to be next to the rail stations for double their money. Sweet deal for them if you ask me.
intercityrailpal 1 year ago
I would carpool if you can. Saves alot of money. Costs for gas are cut in half! Because now your getting two passenger miles per gallon. Of course the owner of the car gets repair bills for the wearing out of the car. But that's an other issue. If your in the car alone you get one passenger mile per gallon...really bad! Amtrak can get 500 to 700 passenger miles per gallon. Light rail doesn't burn oil. So the benefits are off the scale!
intercityrailpal 1 year ago
sorry lite rail and sky train's both are stupid. Nothing beats my truck, yet.
theflinx 3 years ago
Yea the light rail sucks... It has gotten so many complaints already here in phoenix.
iamageek0 3 years ago
Yea, the only complaint I hear is just like Minneapolis they just have one starter line and because real estate on that street is worth so much more now they want on their street and they want it yesterday!!
intercityrailpal 1 year ago
Your truck that kills me with your polluted ass.
dontwalkhand 3 years ago
I am proud of every single molecule of carbon emitted by myself and my vehicles. I go out of my way to emit carbon. Suck it.
theflinx 3 years ago
What? the bigger your vehicle, it compensates for something of smaller size?
My cock is the size of a bus.
dontwalkhand 3 years ago
Today I shall generate extra carbon just for you.
theflinx 3 years ago
Why are you trying to tell us bus riders to suck what you don't have?
dontwalkhand 3 years ago
Maybe there are reasons you ride the bus... and none of them environmental. I will now start an unneeded fire in my fireplace in your name.
theflinx 3 years ago
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then perhaps the high speed train they're building in California will. Stop bragging about your truck.
sammydenyc 2 years ago
Good god... A reply to something I said 5 months ago. Meh!
theflinx 2 years ago
Hey I'm all for your truck, for you. Just don't make me drive. Cars are great untill everyone has one. Then you can't move it's called traffic. Better roads bring more traffic, cause everyone says hey, that's roads better I'll drive over there! Presto! Traffic Jam! Light rail is cheaper to build than city freeway. Phoenix should have had a express track. And really blow across town!
intercityrailpal 1 year ago
yeah... whatever. this thread is old and boring, I no longer care.
theflinx 1 year ago
Absolutely retarded...
higingbotham 3 years ago
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000stryke3000 3 years ago 2
I happen to like Valley Metro's light rail. Though I like Valley Metro, I do not trust them running a monorail, just look at their Phoenix buses.
dontwalkhand 3 years ago
MONORAIL FROM THE SIMPSONS = FAIL
GREPDOGG 3 years ago
How much would the SUi ticket be? Skytranning while drunk?
OmarThePug 3 years ago
They call it "Light Rail" when in actuality its Street Cars which were in phoenix and all over the country about 100 years ago before the car came along and the automotive companies bought them all and shut them down. Nothing new, no inovation what so ever and another waste of money that went into some insiders hip pocket.
BrotherBearAZ 3 years ago 4
I wanna ride in one!
LibertyGirls 3 years ago
Wow, somebody's brother-in-law made BIG BUCKS on this!
sjlibrabbit 3 years ago
sounds expensive
vortex7777 3 years ago
the communist dream.
andrewbnkjv 3 years ago
Nothing sounds like freedom, like the Wind in your... I mean, like a mickey mouse pea pod your fat ass can tuck into, and HAVE NO CONTROL OVER. Definitely NOT part of any aspect of the AMERICAN DREAM.
Nothing Screams more weakness like computer controlled PUSSY POD.
andrewbnkjv 3 years ago
If I remember right, the original fact pointed out against the light rail proposition was that it was a tremendous burden to the taxpayers here (and drivers too), and benefit to nearly no one. It's too bad our Deciders don't have the actual public's and city's interests in mind.
juserphx 3 years ago 4